From spambayes at djl.freeuk.com  Sun Jun  1 09:57:56 2003
From: spambayes at djl.freeuk.com (David Leftley)
Date: Sun Jun  1 03:58:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Non-pickle database with outlook plugin
In-Reply-To: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92C75F6@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>
References: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92C75F6@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>
Message-ID: <s5cjdvs3nps1n43b24a7ep34l24sal13ds@4ax.com>

On Sat, 31 May 2003 14:21:08 -0700, "Piers Haken" <piersh@friskit.com>
wrote:
>I was wondering if some kind soul could tell me how to set up the oulook
>plugin so that it uses bsdbb3 (or similar) instead of pickles for
>storing its database. I'm getting bored of waiting 5 minutes for outlook
>to start/stop and having to retrain every time outlook crashes.
>
I believe it will use bsddb3 by default if it is installed. So all you
need to do is install bsddb3 (from
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13900) and next
time you start Outlook it will be used.

After you change over you will need to do a full retrain, because
AFAIK dbExpImp.py doesn't fully support the database format used by
the plugin.

David.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Jun  2 01:00:32 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Jun  1 10:02:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] No Anti-Spam Item in Outlook Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <E5A55AF12CD58C4DBA31132D96B382D660F033@server2.gnc.local>
Message-ID: <0bf701c32846$301fad70$530f8490@eden>

We only just discovered the likely solution to this.  I recently added to
the troubleshooting document:

    *  If you are running Outlook 2002, you may find that if you go back to
the dialog, the addin will still be unselected.  In this case, perform the
following:

         1. Go to Help->About Microsoft Outlook. 
         2. Click the Disabled Items button.
         3. Select SpamBayes. 
         4. Click Enable.
         5. Restart Outlook 2002.

But I left the stumped bit in <wink>

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org]On Behalf
> Of Libby Peck
> Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:57 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] No Anti-Spam Item in Outlook Toolbar
> 
> 
> I have been testing SpamBayes Add-In for Outlook. 
> I have installed the software (Python 2.2 http://www.python.org
> <http://www.python.org/> , Win32-152.exe
> http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/win32/Downloads.html) on five
> systems (Two - Win XP Pro, Two  - Win2k, and One- Win98)  
> I have installed the add-in using the installer
> (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/applications.html ) and also by
> manually running addin.py. Niether installation has worked on this
> system. There is no anti-spam item in Outlook toolbar. All of the
> systems are running Outlook 2002 SP2.  The second Win XP Pro system is
> identical and it is working normally. I do not receive any 
> errors during
> installation, which completes normally. There is no 
> spambayes1.log file
> created. 
> I reviewed the troubleshooting.html document and found
> ................... 
> *	If you are running from source code, please re-register the
> addin, as per the README.txt file. 
> I have reviewed all readme.txt files but have not located instructions
> on re-registering the add-in.  I enjoyed the technician's 
> last response
> in the troubleshooting document (under binary code troubleshooting)
> .................. 
> 6. If the SpamBayes addin is listed and checked, but still not working
> and still not creating log files, then I am stumped! 
> ............ but I hope someone has this figured out by now *S*
>  
> Thanks,
> Libby
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Jun  2 01:01:31 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Jun  1 10:02:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC?????
In-Reply-To: <12BEB02D0E22D411894300A0C9FC083EF40279@dunt1.dennisuniform.com>
Message-ID: <0bfd01c32846$4ea258b0$530f8490@eden>

Try logging in as adminstrator (not that I understand why this would make a
difference, but I heard a rumour...)

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Don Wyman
> Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 2:43 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC?????
>
>
> The spambayes_addin.dll will not register at installation or
> manually on my
> Windows 2000 pro pc.....I had it installed once, had to make
> a change to
> Outlook and now after uninstalling spambayes and trying to
> reinstall it
> again...I get a return code 0 error, will not register dll.
>
> I then tried the regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll command in the sambayes
> directory and get the following error:
>
> dllregisterserver in spambayes_admin.dll failed....return
> code 0xc0000005
>
> removed all occurrences of spam out of the registry, did a
> regclean, tried
> to reinstall...still get the errors. I really would like to use this
> utility, it was working fine at one time...now I can not get it to
> install...Help!!
>
> Thanks...Don Wyman
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Jun  2 01:03:22 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Jun  1 10:04:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I have a resolution for an install problem
In-Reply-To: <DLEFLAIBMINKHHLMMALKAEDBKFAA.jhinkle@autobaseinc.com>
Message-ID: <0bfe01c32846$908da6d0$530f8490@eden>

Thanks for the tip.  I think we also discovered another alternative to the
re-registration problem that really only happens on Outlook 2002
(Help->About->Disabled addins)

regsvr32 failing is strange though!

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Hinkle
> Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 1:55 AM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] I have a resolution for an install problem
>
>
> Hey Guys
>
>   Great so far!  I had a problem with the installation in that the
> spambayes_addin.dll wouldn't register on my system.  Well,
> I'm a software
> developer and I know a little bit about this, so I ignored
> the error on your
> install and ran regsvr32 on that dll and it installed just
> fine then.  Maybe
> you've packaged a different regsvr32 with your install.  I
> don't know, but
> it registered fine once I did that.  Anyway I opened Outlook
> and looked for
> the buttons your about page was speaking about but didn't see
> those so I
> followed the troubleshooting guide by going to the COM-Addins
> button under
> the Advanced button on the "Other" tab.  I noticed that the
> spambayes addin
> was there and it was checked, but there were no buttons and the
> troubleshooting guide said that you were stumped.  Well, all I did was
> remove that add-in and then I add it back in through the
> add-in manager
> there and just pointed back to the original installation
> folder.  I'm making
> this sound more difficult than it is.  Basically, just remove
> and add the
> spambayes_addin.dll file from the COM-Addin manager within
> Outlook and it
> should appear there.  At least that's all I did and it works
> now.  That
> could be another alternative for your troubleshooting guide
> besides, "I'm
> stumped".  I've heard good things about this software so I'm
> hoping it does
> better than what I've had before.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon Hinkle
> Software Developer
> Autobase, Inc.
> (317) 806-7911
> (317) 842-4242
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From prabhu at aero.iitm.ernet.in  Mon Jun  2 00:31:29 2003
From: prabhu at aero.iitm.ernet.in (Prabhu Ramachandran)
Date: Sun Jun  1 14:02:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Newbie experiences (Emacs + VM) and questions.
In-Reply-To: <16086.30840.634464.946319@monster.linux.in>
References: <16086.30840.634464.946319@monster.linux.in>
Message-ID: <16090.16249.103590.733194@monster.linux.in>

Hi Neale,

Strangely, I did not receive your reply to my email but I did receive
Alex's reply to your email!  Anyway here is a reply using your message
from the archives.  Sorry about the messed up threading of the
messages, I don't have all the message ids. :(

>>>>> "NP" == Neale Pickett <neale at woozle.org> writes:

    NP> Hi Prabhu.  This is excellent!  I've added it to spambayes.el

Thank you!  I'm glad this was of use.

    NP> (included at the end of this message).  Please try this out
    NP> and let me know if it works for you.  If it does, I'll check
    NP> it in to CVS.

I don't use the spambayes.el directly but noticed some errors in the
version you posted.  I've attached a corrected version with some
documentation fixes.  If you think it is OK please go ahead and check
it in.

    >> 2. Is it a good idea to train on every incoming message or are
    >> there better approaches?

    NP> I did this (train on everything) for a while, but I've found
    NP> that mistake- and unsure-based training has been working very
    NP> well for me.  IIRC, this is even how Tim Peters does it.  So
    NP> you don't train on incoming messages, you only train on the
    NP> ones that spambayes got wrong.

Ah, OK, thanks for the hint!  I've also switched to using unsure and
mistake based training and so far its working admirably well.  What a
relief from disgusting spam!

    >> 3. At the moment I receive more HAM than SPAM.  Does this
    >> matter or make no difference?

    NP> It doesn't seem to matter for me.

OK.

    >> 4. I see that some folks retrain the whole database every so
    >> often.  Is this necessary?  If so why?

    NP> I think people do this as a way of pruning their database.

Thanks Neale and Alex for the information!

    >> 5. It would be nice if hammie.py would retrain on any messages
    >> that had an X-Spambayes-Trained header i.e. if
    >> Hammie.train(...) would check for the header and if found
    >> retrain.  If this is intentionally not done it needs to be
    >> documented somewhere.  Its a little confusing (for a newbie) if
    >> there are different scripts with similar options. :)

    NP> I know :( I may be able to get back in and fix this soon, as
    NP> $FIRM may let me start working on the project again soon.  But
    NP> in the meantime, feel free to hurl invectives my way about the
    NP> myriad confusing options to the myriad similar command-line
    NP> utilities :)

Well, I'll certainly send you no invectives but maybe a few humble
suggestions. :) For now I think just having one hammiefilter.py or
hammie.py should do the job.  If that is not desireable perhaps a few
lines in the usage string (or even in the documentation README.txt or
INTEGRATION.txt) specifying which is to be used under what
circumstance would be nice.

The INTEGRATION.txt file also mentions VM (does not mention Gnus
though) so perhaps it can point to spambayes.el and the contrib
directory.  

INTEGRATION.txt should really have sections on integration with Gnus,
VM, mutt and other MUA's.  If sections for each MUA is difficult
perhaps pointers to where info on integration for them is available
can be added.  I think this would make Spambayes a whole lot easier
for non-Outlook newbies to get going with.

Thanks!

cheers,
prabhu

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From JDRUVINI at bouygues.com  Mon Jun  2 10:54:32 2003
From: JDRUVINI at bouygues.com (RUVINI, Jean-David)
Date: Mon Jun  2 03:55:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] For info
Message-ID: <143214D8C25364418FA1BD530F82DE7713163B@bousmsg002.bouygues-construction.com>


Congratulations for SpamBayes, a brillant tool.

 

I am the author of Smartlook, an Outlook addin very similar to SpamBayes.
More info at

http://e-lab.bouygues.com <http://e-lab.bouygues.com/> 

Unfortunately I have a compatibility problem between French and American
versions of Outlook and it does not install properly on most American
configuration.

 

I whish you success with SpamBayes and I am confident that we will win the
war against spam.

 

Best regards,

Jean-David Ruvini

 

 

 


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From drkrause at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 08:54:58 2003
From: drkrause at comcast.net (Doug Krause)
Date: Mon Jun  2 07:55:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Recent install working ok
Message-ID: <000001c328fd$cab2d3a0$6401a8c0@DG6LFH11>

Hi folks..I've tried several trialware spam blockers for Outlook XP on
XP Pro. Most recently tried Ella which had been recommended. See
http://www.openfieldsoftware.com/default.asp . 

 

So far, SpamBayes seems to work better for me. Easy install and seems
stable, even when returning from Standby mode.

 

Thanks...Doug

 

 

 

Doug Krause

215 896-1827 M

dougkrause@comcast.net

 

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From tmzang at smcm.edu  Mon Jun  2 10:36:50 2003
From: tmzang at smcm.edu (Thomas M. Zang)
Date: Mon Jun  2 09:37:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
Message-ID: <4DC31BCFDB067542827534CA74BA9EB1D33DF7@exch-faculty.smcm.edu>

Question:  After I train the database on what is and is not spam, how
long do I need to retain the messages in the Spam folder?  Can they be
deleted immediately or should I wait awhile?  Thanks.  BTW this is a
great plugin!
 
Tom Zang
Academic Computer Support Specialist
St. Marys College of Maryland
NSM
18952 East Fisher Road
St. Marys City, MD 20686
 
Phone:  240-895-0425
Fax:      240-895-4996
Email:   tmzang@smcm.edu
 
 
From kdardick at dardick.com  Mon Jun  2 10:54:38 2003
From: kdardick at dardick.com (kdardick@dardick.com)
Date: Mon Jun  2 09:55:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC?????
Message-ID: <A6FADC566BD6D311B52F00A0C95599D0023E2DD8@misnt01>

I had a similar problem (W2K, Outlook 2000) - tried to update the Outlook
add-in, wouldn't register spambayes_addin.dll.  
FYI, I have just now installed the SpamAtBay beta version and it works fine.


Ken Dardick
---------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:42:57 -0700
From: Don Wyman <drw@dennisuniform.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC?????
To: "'spambayes@python.org'" <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
	<12BEB02D0E22D411894300A0C9FC083EF40279@dunt1.dennisuniform.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

The spambayes_addin.dll will not register at installation or manually on my
Windows 2000 pro pc.....I had it installed once, had to make a change to
Outlook and now after uninstalling spambayes and trying to reinstall it
again...I get a return code 0 error, will not register dll.
 
I then tried the regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll command in the sambayes
directory and get the following error:
 
dllregisterserver in spambayes_admin.dll failed....return code 0xc0000005
 
removed all occurrences of spam out of the registry, did a regclean, tried
to reinstall...still get the errors. I really would like to use this
utility, it was working fine at one time...now I can not get it to
install...Help!!
 
Thanks...Don Wyman

From bill at parducci.net  Mon Jun  2 07:50:06 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Mon Jun  2 09:57:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
References: <4DC31BCFDB067542827534CA74BA9EB1D33DF7@exch-faculty.smcm.edu>
Message-ID: <3EDB560E.6030208@parducci.net>

Thomas M. Zang wrote:
> Question:  After I train the database on what is and is not spam, how
> long do I need to retain the messages in the Spam folder?  Can they be
> deleted immediately or should I wait awhile?  Thanks.  BTW this is a
> great plugin!

once a message has been [correctly] trained there is no need to keep it 
around. however, spambayes' accuracy is dependent upon having a 
'sufficient' sample from which to make its decisions. therefore, most 
users retain a fair amount of spam in the event that they may wish to 
rebuild the corpus from scratch.

of course, this begs the question: 'how much is enough?' that is where 
the 'art' of spambayes meets the science :) personally, i keep a couple 
thousand spam--two month's worth--as well as a similar number of ham. 
that is not to say that you won't have excellent results with a tenth 
(or less) of that number; since everyone's e-mail profile is different, 
the requirements for training are as well.

b


From tmcintosh at district.maple-ridge.bc.ca  Mon Jun  2 08:14:42 2003
From: tmcintosh at district.maple-ridge.bc.ca (Tom McIntosh)
Date: Mon Jun  2 10:16:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <40B307100249D5119CA600A0C92DEB0EBDD1DF@ash.mr.corp>

> While the .EXE installer that I downloadedput the SPAM column in the User
Defined field, it was initially decimal and not perc.  Outlook won;t let me
change the format of an existing field, but deleting the old one and
re-adding it as the
 instructions described worked fine.
> 
> The eMail filter on MAC OSX is supposedly based on the same theory but
does
> not give the user the options to tune it as this one does.
> 
> Thanks
> Tom McIntosh
> 
PS Accidentally sent this to Paul Graham who informed me that he only did
the theory and to contact the implementor.
From hadar at unorthodox.com  Mon Jun  2 17:01:15 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Mon Jun  2 16:04:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving a SpamBayes Database between platforms?
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOEODDBAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

I am running the Outlook plugin, and so far getting "mixed"
results. I think that this is due to the fact that I collect
email for _many_ addresses through one POP3 account.
Meaning, the other accounts are all aliases or forwards into
the one pop account.

As an example, if I get three identical spam emails sent to
me at three distinct addresses, one is caught by SpamBayes,
and the other two are not. They're rarely tagged as
"Possible Spam" either.

Anyway, that's with training on roughly 3000 spam and 2700
ham messages.

Ignore that for now, as it is getting every-so-slightly
better each day, but I get _so much spam_ that this should
only be a matter of a few more weeks before I'm happy with
the ratio.

On to my real question.

Tim Peters kindly pointed me to the FAQ and this list today,
and I saw the answer on how to hook up the filter to
procmail, which is exactly what I would like to do. However,
my "twist" is this:

I would like to run all of the training on my client, via
the Outlook plugin. Then, on occasion I would like to
"upload the database" to my server, and use the "static"
database to filter via procmail.

The main reason is so that I can filter what gets sent to my
Blackberry, while continuing to more iteratively train on my
laptop via Outlook.

Is this straightforward to do, meaning, are the databases
interoperable? Outlook 2000 running on Windows 2000
Professional, with Procmail running on RH Linux 8.0 on the
server side.

Thanks in advance!

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Jun  2 16:58:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Jun  2 16:58:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving a SpamBayes Database between platforms?
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOEODDBAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
References: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOEODDBAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <16091.47752.841563.540458@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Hadar> I am running the Outlook plugin, and so far getting "mixed"
    Hadar> results. I think that this is due to the fact that I collect
    Hadar> email for _many_ addresses through one POP3 account.  Meaning,
    Hadar> the other accounts are all aliases or forwards into the one pop
    Hadar> account.

    Hadar> As an example, if I get three identical spam emails sent to me at
    Hadar> three distinct addresses, one is caught by SpamBayes, and the
    Hadar> other two are not. They're rarely tagged as "Possible Spam"
    Hadar> either.

I wouldn't think that would be a problem.  I have a similar setup.  I'm
chief cook and bottle washer for the mojam.com and musi-cal.com domains.  I
also get mail destined for skip@pobox.com.  Consequently, I get multiple
copies (often 5-10 copies) of most spam.  I do filter some of it out with a
message-id filter in my procmailrc file:

    # make sure we don't get two copies of the same message
    :0 Wh: msgid.lock
    | /usr/bin/formail -D 196608 $HOME/tmp/msgid.cache

but I still tend to get multiples of lots of stuff.  I've never noticed that
it nails one copy but misses others.  What are your spam and ham cutoffs set
to?  Sounds like you might be too tight (close to 1.0) on the spam cutoff.

    Hadar> Ignore that for now, as it is getting every-so-slightly better
    Hadar> each day, but I get _so much spam_ that this should only be a
    Hadar> matter of a few more weeks before I'm happy with the ratio.

I have the SpamAtBay beta loaded on my Windows machine at the moment.  I
have a rule in my procmailrc file for testing which just copies everything
to the email address Outlook is set up to read.  It started nailing spam
almost from the get-go.  It's not perfect yet.  There are still a lot of
unsures and the occasional false negative.  Haven't seen any false positives
yet that I can recall.

    Hadar> I would like to run all of the training on my client, via the
    Hadar> Outlook plugin. Then, on occasion I would like to "upload the
    Hadar> database" to my server, and use the "static" database to filter
    Hadar> via procmail.

    ...

    Hadar> Is this straightforward to do, meaning, are the databases
    Hadar> interoperable? Outlook 2000 running on Windows 2000 Professional,
    Hadar> with Procmail running on RH Linux 8.0 on the server side.

Maybe, if you are careful to run the same version of the underlying Berkeley
DB on both machines.  I just copied

    c:\Documents And Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SpamBayes\
        default_bayes_database.db

file from Windows to my Mac OS X system then tried to open it.  It failed,
but for a reasonable reason.  I am apparently still running too old a
version of Berkeley DB on my Mac.  It complained:

    >>> db = bsddb.hashopen("default_bayes_database.db")
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
      File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
        d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
    bsddb._db.DBInvalidArgError: (22, 'Invalid argument -- default_bayes_database.db: unsupported hash version: 8')

Getting your two Berkeley DB versions in sync is just the first step.  You
then need to figure out if the structure of the values in the two files is
the same.  I can't answer that for you at the moment.  I suspect someone
else can though.

Skip

From pzalinski at milestechinc.com  Mon Jun  2 19:58:23 2003
From: pzalinski at milestechinc.com (Peter Zalinski)
Date: Mon Jun  2 19:58:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I noticed an undocumented feature...
Message-ID: <19913F8AAFC9CD42885982842A56ED9E09874D@mti-dc1.miles.local>

Gents, 
 
When I created a "Spam" column in Outlook 2000, and scored the folder using your product, everything was grand -- the scores showed up as percentages. Then I moved the "Spam" column by dragging it over a few columns, and the scores converted to decimals, and I can't seem to get them to convert back to a percentage, no matter what I try. 
 
Thank you for your consideration.

Peter Zalinski
Systems Engineer
Miles Technologies, Inc.
1150 Heather Drive
Lake Zurich, IL 60047
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun  3 11:47:19 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun  2 20:48:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving a SpamBayes Database between platforms?
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOEODDBAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <000801c32969$b026e5f0$530f8490@eden>

Hi Hadar,

> I am running the Outlook plugin, and so far getting "mixed"
> results. I think that this is due to the fact that I collect
> email for _many_ addresses through one POP3 account.
> Meaning, the other accounts are all aliases or forwards into
> the one pop account.
>
> As an example, if I get three identical spam emails sent to
> me at three distinct addresses, one is caught by SpamBayes,
> and the other two are not. They're rarely tagged as
> "Possible Spam" either.
>
> Anyway, that's with training on roughly 3000 spam and 2700
> ham messages.

It would be interesting to see the "Spam Clues" for these messages.  These
clues should tell us why we are getting that behaviour.  It may simply be
that to date, these other addresses have not collected enough spam to tip
the clues over that edge - for example, if one address is "hadar@foo.com",
and there are only examples of ham with that address specified, that address
may be enough to convince the system it is ham.

An interesting experiment would be to have an option to ignore the "To"
address.  For example, every single mail to "skippinet.com.au" goes to my
mailbox (ie, mhammond@, foo@, death-to-spammers@, etc).  Thus, I have alot
of spam in my mailbox to apparently "random" addresses at this domain.  For
me, SpamBayes does a good enough job in this area - but experiments here may
benefit everyone.

> Tim Peters kindly pointed me to the FAQ and this list today,
> and I saw the answer on how to hook up the filter to
> procmail, which is exactly what I would like to do. However,
> my "twist" is this:
>
> I would like to run all of the training on my client, via
> the Outlook plugin. Then, on occasion I would like to
> "upload the database" to my server, and use the "static"
> database to filter via procmail.
>
> The main reason is so that I can filter what gets sent to my
> Blackberry, while continuing to more iteratively train on my
> laptop via Outlook.
>
> Is this straightforward to do, meaning, are the databases
> interoperable? Outlook 2000 running on Windows 2000
> Professional, with Procmail running on RH Linux 8.0 on the
> server side.

It *should* be possible, but you are entering uncharted waters.  Apart from
the database issue, a problem may be that the format of the mail once seen
by Outlook is different than seen by procmail - thus, the exact same mail
may create a different set of tokens depending on where it is seen.

ie, I guess I am saying "I don't know, but would love to hear the answer
once someone actually tries it" :)

Regards,

Mark.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 21:59:36 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Jun  2 21:11:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving a SpamBayes Database between platforms?
In-Reply-To: <000801c32969$b026e5f0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEMEEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Hammond]
> ...
> An interesting experiment would be to have an option to ignore the
> "To" address.  For example, every single mail to "skippinet.com.au"
> goes to my mailbox (ie, mhammond@, foo@, death-to-spammers@, etc).
> Thus, I have alot of spam in my mailbox to apparently "random"
> addresses at this domain.  For me, SpamBayes does a good enough job
> in this area - but experiments here may benefit everyone.

Fearless users of the Outlook client can try this experiment by finding
their default_bayes_customize.ini, and changing this line:

    address_headers: from to cc sender reply-to

to this:

    address_headers: from cc sender reply-to

Also removing "cc" may (or may not) help (or hurt <wink>) too.

Note that this will also stop generating the synthesized

    to:no real name:2**n

token, which is usually a strong and valid family of spam clues.


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  2 22:21:39 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Mon Jun  2 21:22:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] do you have an ini file that works for linux?
Message-ID: <Law8-F61gGoagFe4Kh100009c75@hotmail.com>

I'm trying to sb to work on a redhat 9 system with evolution. I have been 
making progress, but I still can't get the sb headers to show up in 
evolution. Does anyone have an bayescustomize.ini that works for them on a 
similar system?

Could you send it to me - obviously cleaned of any personal stuff.

thanks
sean

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From lizamay at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 23:07:32 2003
From: lizamay at comcast.net (Liza May)
Date: Mon Jun  2 22:09:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes DISAPPEARED!!
Message-ID: <CFEIKOFHKNJAOGHDPBJDCELFCFAA.lizamay@comcast.net>

Hello Folks,

I've been thrilled with this great program - last night I walked away from
my machine for an hour and returned to 47 new spam messages - all caught! I
love Spambayes - somebody out there is a genius.

I'm writing because I've just sat down to my computer, opened Outlook 2000,
and Spambayes is gone! It has disappeared from the toolbar! And ... THERE IS
A LARGE PILE OF SPAM IN MY INBOX!!!!

I've gone to the Spambayes folder but can't find the install program there,
to try to reinstall it. And I can't find anything in the help file about
disappearing.

What on earth has happened? Did another program sneak into my computer and
kill Spambayes??? I am very sad.  All my training, and it seemed to be
working seamlessly!

Does ANYONE have any idea what happened, or what I can do to find all the
training information, and how to reinstall it again? I'm not a techie, so I
hope someone can explain in layman's language. Thanks!

Liza

~~~~~~~

Liza May, M.S.

phone: 301-261-0555

fax: 410-451-6105

email: lizamay@comcast.net

1153 Route 3 North

Suite 41

Gambrills, MD 21054
From skip at pobox.com  Mon Jun  2 22:14:37 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Jun  2 22:14:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] do you have an ini file that works for linux?
In-Reply-To: <Law8-F61gGoagFe4Kh100009c75@hotmail.com>
References: <Law8-F61gGoagFe4Kh100009c75@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <16092.1165.76285.959934@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    sean> I'm trying to sb to work on a redhat 9 system with evolution. I
    sean> have been making progress, but I still can't get the sb headers to
    sean> show up in evolution. Does anyone have an bayescustomize.ini that
    sean> works for them on a similar system?

How are you pushing email through Spambayes (that is, what's your Spambayes
configuration)?  Without knowing more it's kind of hard to suggest what
tweaks to make to your bayescustomize.ini file.  If you're successfully
pushing mail through Spambayes you should get at least an
X-Spambayes-Classification header.  It may be that Evolution only diplays a
certain set of headers and that you have to explicitly tell it to display
X-S-C.

Skip

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun  3 14:13:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun  2 23:13:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes DISAPPEARED!!
In-Reply-To: <CFEIKOFHKNJAOGHDPBJDCELFCFAA.lizamay@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d801c3297e$0ca98440$530f8490@eden>

It is likely that, for some reason, the addin failed to load.  Depending on
how well SpamBayes catches this error, Outlook itself may disable it.

Please see the "troubleshooting.html" file installed with the addin.  It
will tell you how to locate the log file (so we can see what the actual
error was) and also how to disable the addin.

The most recent version of this document is also available online:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook20
00/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD

Mark.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org]On Behalf
> Of Liza May
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2003 12:08 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes DISAPPEARED!!
>
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> I've been thrilled with this great program - last night I
> walked away from
> my machine for an hour and returned to 47 new spam messages -
> all caught! I
> love Spambayes - somebody out there is a genius.
>
> I'm writing because I've just sat down to my computer, opened
> Outlook 2000,
> and Spambayes is gone! It has disappeared from the toolbar!
> And ... THERE IS
> A LARGE PILE OF SPAM IN MY INBOX!!!!
>
> I've gone to the Spambayes folder but can't find the install
> program there,
> to try to reinstall it. And I can't find anything in the help
> file about
> disappearing.
>
> What on earth has happened? Did another program sneak into my
> computer and
> kill Spambayes??? I am very sad.  All my training, and it seemed to be
> working seamlessly!
>
> Does ANYONE have any idea what happened, or what I can do to
> find all the
> training information, and how to reinstall it again? I'm not
> a techie, so I
> hope someone can explain in layman's language. Thanks!
>
> Liza
>
> ~~~~~~~
>
> Liza May, M.S.
>
> phone: 301-261-0555
>
> fax: 410-451-6105
>
> email: lizamay@comcast.net
>
> 1153 Route 3 North
>
> Suite 41
>
> Gambrills, MD 21054
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun  3 14:20:09 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun  2 23:20:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes DISAPPEARED!!
In-Reply-To: <00d801c3297e$0ca98440$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <00e901c3297f$0a66a3b0$530f8490@eden>

I wrote:
> will tell you how to locate the log file (so we can see what 
> the actual
> error was) and also how to disable the addin.

Of course, I meant "re-enable the addin".

Mark.


From paul_hermans at protext.be  Tue Jun  3 10:11:09 2003
From: paul_hermans at protext.be (Paul Hermans)
Date: Tue Jun  3 03:11:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
Message-ID: <285417F7D1B3D411A36900902762121168026F@AKIR02>

When I start Outlook, there is no Anti-Spam item in the toolbar.
The content of the log file is as follows. 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and Settings\phe\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute
'skip_max_word_size'

Thanks for any help.

Paul
Paul Hermans
Pro Text
www.protext.be
phermans@protext.be

From ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi  Tue Jun  3 11:23:24 2003
From: ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi (Ilkka Tengvall)
Date: Tue Jun  3 03:23:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306031004300.18638-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I got two problems that prevent me training the spambayes. I need some 
help here.

I tried both version 1.0a2 and CVS latest, and neither one shows anything 
in web interface about emails classified. The proxy classifies them 
correctly, I get spam, ham and unsure classifications. If I click on 
review messages link, there is no messages to review. What might be 
the problem?

The other problem is with smtp-proxy. It proxies mails ok, but when I 
forward any mails to it with spambayes_spam@localhost address, 
transmission gets stuck. I use evolution or pine -mail clients. Pine gives 
the following error: "Sending error: 250 OK"

My system is RedHat 9 with python-2.2.2-26. Here is my config:

[globals]
#verbose: True

[Categorization]
ham_cutoff=0.2
spam_cutoff=0.9

[pop3proxy]
listen_ports=1110,1111
remote_servers=pop.xxx.fi,mailbox.xxx.fi
add_mailid_to=header
strip_incoming_mailids=True

[html_ui]
allow_remote_connections=False

[Storage]
messageinfo_storage_file:~/.spambayes/spambayes.messageinfo.db
persistent_storage_file:~/.spambayes/hammie.db

[smtpproxy]
listen_ports:2500
remote_servers:mail.xxxx.fi


From francois.granger at free.fr  Tue Jun  3 12:33:54 2003
From: francois.granger at free.fr (Francois Granger)
Date: Tue Jun  3 05:33:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306031004300.18638-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306031004300.18638-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <a05200f13bb021b78dcd5@[62.147.236.60]>

At 10:23 +0300 03/06/2003, in message [Spambayes] pop3proxy no 
reviews and smtpproxy stuck, Ilkka Tengvall wrote:
>I got two problems that prevent me training the spambayes. I need some
>help here.
>
>I tried both version 1.0a2 and CVS latest, and neither one shows anything
>in web interface about emails classified. The proxy classifies them
>correctly, I get spam, ham and unsure classifications. If I click on
>review messages link, there is no messages to review. What might be
>the problem?

Do you have the directories "pop3proxy-ham-cache", 
"pop3proxy-spam-cache" and "pop3proxy-unknown-cache" created and 
populated with files like "1054292374" ?

You may have to check the right in your "spambayes directory ?


-- 
Hofstadter's Law :
It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into 
account Hofstadter's Law.

From ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi  Tue Jun  3 13:54:40 2003
From: ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi (Ilkka Tengvall)
Date: Tue Jun  3 05:55:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
In-Reply-To: <a05200f13bb021b78dcd5@[62.147.236.60]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306031245330.18638-100000@localhost.localdomain>

thanks for the reply!

> Do you have the directories "pop3proxy-ham-cache", 
> "pop3proxy-spam-cache" and "pop3proxy-unknown-cache" created and 
> populated with files like "1054292374" ?

Directories are created, but there are no files in them. Is this the 
source of the problem?

> You may have to check the right in your "spambayes directory ?

permissions should be ok, you can see them below. pop3proxy.py is running 
with my uid.

$ ps aux | grep python
it 18582  0.0  1.2  8876 4028 ? S 09:03 0:07 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/pop3proxy.py

$ ls -la .spambayes
total 10944
drwxr-xr-x    5 it users        4096 Jun  3 08:58 .
drwx-----x   49 it users        4096 Jun  3 10:23 ..
-rw-r--r--    1 it users      659456 Jun  3 09:17 hammie.db
drwxr-xr-x    2 it users        4096 Jun  3 08:54 
pop3proxy-ham-cache
-rw-r--r--    1 it users     9493832 Jun  3 08:58 _pop3proxyham.mbox
drwxr-xr-x    2 it users        4096 Jun  3 08:54 
pop3proxy-spam-cache
-rw-r--r--    1 it users     1128605 Jun  3 08:56 
_pop3proxyspam.mbox
drwxr-xr-x    2 it users        4096 Jun  3 08:54 
pop3proxy-unknown-cache

 ls -l .spambayes/pop3proxy-*-cache
.spambayes/pop3proxy-ham-cache:
total 0

.spambayes/pop3proxy-spam-cache:
total 0

.spambayes/pop3proxy-unknown-cache:
total 0



From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Jun  3 08:58:42 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Tue Jun  3 07:59:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] do you have an ini file that works for linux?
In-Reply-To: <Law8-F61gGoagFe4Kh100009c75@hotmail.com>
References: <Law8-F61gGoagFe4Kh100009c75@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EDC8D72.3070407@videotron.ca>

Hi,

 > I'm trying to sb to work on a redhat 9 system with evolution. I have 
been making progress,
 > but I still can't get the sb headers to show up in evolution.

In evolution to see the header you need to open the email, (This is not 
the same as viewing the email in the main window). Then in
the view menu of this new window you can enable the view complete header 
or something similar.

An other way to see if the header is present is to edit the mbox file 
with gedit or vi or ....

gedit ~/evolution/local/Inbox/mbox

> Does anyone have an bayescustomize.ini that works for them on a 
> similar system? 

What are you using pop3proxy.py or a combination of mboxtrain.py and 
hammie.py ?

Remi


From hadar at unorthodox.com  Tue Jun  3 09:29:47 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Tue Jun  3 08:30:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving a SpamBayes Database between platforms?
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEMEEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACEBDDCAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

Thanks Mark and Tim. I will try the "dropping the to"
suggestion (hopefully this weekend), and also in the
next few weeks try "moving the database", and will
report the results back to the list.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 00:19:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun  3 09:20:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
In-Reply-To: <285417F7D1B3D411A36900902762121168026F@AKIR02>
Message-ID: <019001c329d2$d0dc10e0$530f8490@eden>

You may like to mail seant@webreply.com and try the commercial "SpamAtBay"
beta.  It is free to beta users, and the database is compatible with our (in
some cases, unworking) totally free one should you decide to switch back.

Mark.

> When I start Outlook, there is no Anti-Spam item in the toolbar.
> The content of the log file is as follows.
> SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
> Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\phe\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
> pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170,
> in dispatch
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
> _InvokeEx_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
> _invokeex_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
> _invokeex_
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in
> OnConnection
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475,
> in GetManager
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156,
> in __init__
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
> import_core_spambayes_stuff
>   File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
>   File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, in ?
> exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute
> 'skip_max_word_size'
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Paul
> Paul Hermans
> Pro Text
> www.protext.be
> phermans@protext.be
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From francois.granger at free.fr  Tue Jun  3 17:59:32 2003
From: francois.granger at free.fr (Francois Granger)
Date: Tue Jun  3 10:59:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306031245330.18638-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306031245330.18638-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <a05200f1abb0267facb4e@[62.147.236.60]>

At 12:54 +0300 03/06/2003, in message Re: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no 
reviews and smtpproxy stuc, Ilkka Tengvall wrote:
>thanks for the reply!
>
>>  Do you have the directories "pop3proxy-ham-cache",
>>  "pop3proxy-spam-cache" and "pop3proxy-unknown-cache" created and
>>  populated with files like "1054292374" ?
>
>Directories are created, but there are no files in them. Is this the
>source of the problem?

There should be files in them.

>  > You may have to check the right in your "spambayes directory ?
>
>permissions should be ok

Look like they are.

Sorry, no other idea. But there are people more knowledgeable on the list.
-- 
Hofstadter's Law :
It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into 
account Hofstadter's Law.

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue Jun  3 09:58:19 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue Jun  3 11:58:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Patches-748259 ] Possibly safer mbox update
	for mboxtrain
Message-ID: <E19NEB1-0003K6-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Patches item #748259, was opened at 2003-06-03 10:58
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498105&aid=748259&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Skip Montanaro (montanaro)
Assigned to: Neale Pickett (npickett)
Summary: Possibly safer mbox update for mboxtrain

Initial Comment:
Mboxtrain currently opens the mbox file for read and write,
truncating the file when it's ready to write.  This patch
enhances things in two ways.   One, it writes to a temp file
and renames it to the original mbox file upon successful
completion.  Two, it uses tempfile.mkstemp() if available,
falling back to tempfile.mktemp() if not.  os.tmpfile() is
avoided.


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From public at farland.com  Wed Jun  4 03:08:23 2003
From: public at farland.com (Richard Farland)
Date: Tue Jun  3 12:08:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes
Message-ID: <000401c329ea$5c0e8f50$a59e67cb@fclhome>

After testing for two weeks I am very impressed with SpamBayes, even in
comparison with my previous product MailWasher Pro. It has captured 1135
spams and allowed through over 150 good emails without a single error.
So thank you for your efforts which have allowed my Inbox to be
unpolluted again!
 
regards,
Richard
 
From jason at atgi.com  Tue Jun  3 15:52:30 2003
From: jason at atgi.com (Jason D. Montgomery)
Date: Tue Jun  3 14:53:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5C6F478A90E6034BBDCF6D754D7850BC07F4E2@DERRIDA.atgi.com>

The Bayesian plug-in installed successfully, but the Anti-spam button
does not show up in the Standard Menu.  I checked the COM plug-in
section and the plug-in shows up and is checked.

Microsoft Office 2003 Beta
Windows 2003 Enterprise Server
Binary Version: SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

I realize that Office 2003 Beta may not be supported yet, but wouldn't
mind help debugging it.

later,
jason
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
jason d. montgomery
active technologies group, inc.
http://www.atgi.com
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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From hadar at unorthodox.com  Tue Jun  3 17:12:38 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Tue Jun  3 16:13:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Scoring Confusion
In-Reply-To: <000801c32969$b026e5f0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOEDIDCAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

OK, I admit it, I'm officially confused :-)

I am running the binary installer version of SpamBayes
(002) on Windows 2000 Pro, with Outlook 2000.

At Mark's suggestion from last night, I just looked (for the
first time) at the Spam Clues for a few messages. First, I
picked a message that it thought wasn't spam. It was scored
".32". For me, this should have shown up in the "Possible
Spam" folder, since I didn't touch the defaults, which are
set to >90 move to Spam, >15 move to Unsure.

Then I checked a message that was marked as Spam. It had a
score of "1". It was moved correctly.

Then I found another one that was untouched, meaning it
wasn't spam or unsure, but the score inside was "1" (which,
of course, was correct!).

So, it seems that the engine is correctly tagging the
scores, but somehow, the code isn't recognizing those scores
for the purposes of filtering.

Any suggestions? (including telling me to go grab the CVS
code and just install it manually :-)

Thanks in advance!

From lmcaulif at scsiweb.com  Tue Jun  3 17:50:37 2003
From: lmcaulif at scsiweb.com (Lawrence J. McAuliffe)
Date: Tue Jun  3 16:51:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Score Field
Message-ID: <001301c32a11$ca139f00$89fa4720@scsi0627>

Hello,

Just downloaded & installed SpamBayes v1.0a2 Outlook 2000 Add-in.
Outlook 2000 is at SR-1, Corporate or Workgroup.  Installation
went very smoothly.  I'll accrue more spam overnight and probably
'train' tomorrow.  One question (issue?) first tho'.

Went through the documentation and was doing fine 'til I reached
the "Spam Score Field" section.  The install did put out a SPAM
entry (Tools, Options, Other, Advanced, etc.)  However, the Field
Chooser - Properties dialogue box reads:

Name:      Spam            (Grayed out)
Type:        Number         (Grayed out)
Format:    1,234.567 -1,234.567

Of course the docs say to ONLY use Type:  Percent & Format:
Rounded; any other format won't work.  I tried deleting the entry
and recreated it manually as per the docs.  No matter what I seem
to do though the new one won't save - it always reverts to
"Number".

Should I be concerned?  If so, then how can I fix it?

As a complete aside, how do I actually view this list?  I tried
to view the mailings first, before bothering anybody but frankly,
I just couldn't figure out how to view all the messages!

Thanks,

Lawrence J. McAuliffe (Larry)
Systems Consulting Services, Inc.
5058 Dorsey Hall Drive Suite 202/203
Ellicott City MD 21042

Email:  mailto:lmcaulif@scsiweb.com
Voice:  (410) 730 - 4040 ext. 3111

Attachment(s):

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 10:11:19 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun  3 19:11:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Score Field
In-Reply-To: <001301c32a11$ca139f00$89fa4720@scsi0627>
Message-ID: <024501c32a25$71945950$530f8490@eden>

This is a common problem, and unfortunately I have no idea what the problem
is.  The good news is that this has absolutely no effect on the operation of
the product.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Lawrence J.
> McAuliffe
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2003 6:51 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Score Field
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Just downloaded & installed SpamBayes v1.0a2 Outlook 2000 Add-in.
> Outlook 2000 is at SR-1, Corporate or Workgroup.  Installation
> went very smoothly.  I'll accrue more spam overnight and probably
> 'train' tomorrow.  One question (issue?) first tho'.
>
> Went through the documentation and was doing fine 'til I reached
> the "Spam Score Field" section.  The install did put out a SPAM
> entry (Tools, Options, Other, Advanced, etc.)  However, the Field
> Chooser - Properties dialogue box reads:
>
> Name:      Spam            (Grayed out)
> Type:        Number         (Grayed out)
> Format:    1,234.567 -1,234.567
>
> Of course the docs say to ONLY use Type:  Percent & Format:
> Rounded; any other format won't work.  I tried deleting the entry
> and recreated it manually as per the docs.  No matter what I seem
> to do though the new one won't save - it always reverts to
> "Number".
>
> Should I be concerned?  If so, then how can I fix it?
>
> As a complete aside, how do I actually view this list?  I tried
> to view the mailings first, before bothering anybody but frankly,
> I just couldn't figure out how to view all the messages!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lawrence J. McAuliffe (Larry)
> Systems Consulting Services, Inc.
> 5058 Dorsey Hall Drive Suite 202/203
> Ellicott City MD 21042
>
> Email:  mailto:lmcaulif@scsiweb.com
> Voice:  (410) 730 - 4040 ext. 3111
>
> Attachment(s):
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 10:10:38 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun  3 19:13:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Scoring Confusion
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOEDIDCAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <024001c32a25$5958bc50$530f8490@eden>

> OK, I admit it, I'm officially confused :-)

Good - you are now qualified to help work on the product <wink>

> I am running the binary installer version of SpamBayes
> (002) on Windows 2000 Pro, with Outlook 2000.
>
> At Mark's suggestion from last night, I just looked (for the
> first time) at the Spam Clues for a few messages. First, I
> picked a message that it thought wasn't spam. It was scored
> ".32". For me, this should have shown up in the "Possible
> Spam" folder, since I didn't touch the defaults, which are
> set to >90 move to Spam, >15 move to Unsure.

It is important to remember that subsequent training will affect previous
scores.  Eg, if the mail in question arrived a couple of weeks ago, back
then, it may have had a score close to zero.  However, in the meantime your
training operations will have changed this - but each message will not be
rescored until requested.  The "Spam" field for a message is the score when
it was most recently scored - not how it would be scored now.  So it is
*possible* that what you saw here is correct.

> Then I checked a message that was marked as Spam. It had a
> score of "1". It was moved correctly.
>
> Then I found another one that was untouched, meaning it
> wasn't spam or unsure, but the score inside was "1" (which,
> of course, was correct!).
>
> So, it seems that the engine is correctly tagging the
> scores, but somehow, the code isn't recognizing those scores
> for the purposes of filtering.
>
> Any suggestions? (including telling me to go grab the CVS
> code and just install it manually :-)

The next step is to look in the log file (see troubleshooting.html), and try
and locate a few of these messages.  Each message looked at by SpamBayes
will get an entry in the log.  There are 2 possibilities:

* SpamBayes is simply not seeing some messages.  This can happen in an
Exchange Server environment, and possibly in other cases we are yet to nail
down.

* SpamBayes is seeing the messages, and the log will indicate what action
was taken.  Immediately after seeing what you consider an error, get the
spam clues for that message, and ensure it is the same as the "disposition"
(ie, the "Yes/No/Maybe") shown in the log file.

Mark.


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Tue Jun  3 23:49:12 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Jun  3 22:49:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Scoring Confusion
In-Reply-To: <024001c32a25$5958bc50$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEMEELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Mark Hammond]
> ...
> There are 2 possibilities:
>
> * SpamBayes is simply not seeing some messages.  This can happen in an
> Exchange Server environment, and possibly in other cases we are yet
> to nail down.

It definitely misses seeing msgs when the box gets "too busy".  I see that
routinely when I'm running CPU-intensive tests as a large number of emails
come in (CVS spambayes + dict database + OL2000 IMO + Win98SE_or_Win2K).  In
that case the Spam score column remains blank for the messages that get
missed.  Closing and restarting Outlook gets them scored, thanks to the
scan-on-startup code you added.

There *may* also be some funky interaction with user-defined Outlook
move-a-message rules.  I don't have any of those anymore -- it dawned on me
that all my rules were really trying to find msgs that probably weren't
spam, and get them into other folders.  I don't need that anymore.  Maybe
Hadar has a bunch of Outlook rules, though.  If so, there have been other
reports  of flakiness in the presence of rules, and (as Mark knows too well
<wink>) the way Outlook rules actually work is severely, umm,
underdocumented.  In particular, spambayes uses an entirely different
mechanism (there doesn't appear to be an API to hook into the Outlook rule
subsystem in any useful way).

> * SpamBayes is seeing the messages, and the log will indicate what
> action was taken.  Immediately after seeing what you consider an
> error, get the spam clues for that message, and ensure it is the same
> as the "disposition" (ie, the "Yes/No/Maybe") shown in the log file.

It never ceases to amaze me how many user-specific never-before-seen failure
modes Outlook treats us to!  It started for me the first day with Sean
True's original plugin, which didn't work for me at all, and for at least
(what turned out to be) two distinct reasons, neither of which could
possibly have been guessed from the Outlook docs.  It's a good thing
spambayes is free, because you couldn't pay anyone enough to endure working
on it with Outlook <0.9 wink>.


From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Wed Jun  4 11:08:54 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Wed Jun  4 05:10:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB880113DB36@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> I propose we start using these immediately (well, within the next couple of
> days).  spambayes@ becomes the user list, and starting now, all development
> issues should be taken to spambayes-dev.  Bug reports should go to -dev (and
> I think I can change that myself at sourceforge).

Just got back from holidays to find the new lists. Great - that will cut
down on some of the traffic I don't have time to read :-)

However, can I ask that bug reports *don't* get sent to the -dev list.
Unless I misread the archives, the vast majority of the list traffic is bug
reports, and I'm sorry but I don't have time to read all of these. Yes, I can
probably filter somehow to strip them out, but it's more pain than I want.

If we need bugs going to a list, can we have a spambayes-bugs list so that
people who want to track development discussions can opt out of the bugs
traffic?

Thanks,
Paul.

From mail at peterbe.com  Wed Jun  4 12:53:48 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed Jun  4 07:21:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible to recount hams and spams on hammie.db?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030604115041.03c47bb8@localhost>

I use only the pop3proxy.
Downloaded the latest CVS version this morning, and when I load Spam.mbx I 
get no errors and hammie.db grows as expected. However, in the webinterface 
is says: "Total emails trained: Spam: 0 Ham: 0"
Obviously a bug, but let's worry about that separatly.
Is there a method I can invoke to recount? The count shouldn't have 
anything to do with hammie.db and its functions.

Peter  


From hadar at unorthodox.com  Wed Jun  4 09:15:29 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Wed Jun  4 08:16:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] LONG POST: Log file and Outlook Rules analysis
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAMEHEDCAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

OK, Tim and Mark, thanks again for the excellent suggestions
for what to track down next. In no particular order, here is
what I've learned:

1) It's not stricly a "cpu busy" problem. This morning, I
downloaded my mail with the cpu completely idle, and didn't
run anything else until all the mail was in, and sorted into
the various mailboxes. At the peak, only at the tail end of
all of my messages, the cpu spiked to 65% utilization, but
during the vast majority of the messages, it never went
above 20%. I still have the problem, so this doesn't appear
to be the cause, but perhaps still is...

2) I have 52 Outlook rules. Roughly 10 of them are spam
related (from before SB), so I could reduce it. Turning them
off completely (as Tim suggests) would be too painful to
consider at the moment. I deal with many companies each day,
and auto sort email from each of those companies into
different folders, so that I can deal with them in priority
order. If I have to revert to everything coming into one
folder, and then filing them by hand, I would lose too much
time having to scan the lower priority ones. If this is
indeed the problem, that will be too bad for me.

I wonder how this can be the problem though, as it seemed to
me that the purpose of the plugin was to look at every
message before the rules saw them, and only hand "clean"
messages off to the rule. Also, I wonder whether I should
forgo the concept of the plugin (as wonderful as it is to
incrementally train), and simply use the pop3proxy instead?

3) At Mark's suggestion, I looked at the log. I had 188
messages in my POP3 mailbox on the server waiting to be
downloaded. 40 went into the spam folder, 4 into the unsure
folder, and the rest went into the various folders according
to my rules. 87 of those were caught by SpamAssassin (SA)
but when opened individually, showed SB scores of at least
.99, with many at 1.0! This of course makes it all the more
frustrating, because the training has obviously learned my
patterns amazingly well!

The problem is indeed in _losing messages_! Out of the 188
messages that came in, there were only 50 messages seen in
the log file. All 50 were processed correctly, meaning they
ended up in the correct folders as spam, ham or unsure after
being processed. The first three messages were all seen, and
were one of each kind. Then it became sporadic as to what
was seen and what wasn't. So, it is not the case that the
first 50 were seen, and then none of the others. It was
either message #4 or #5 that was already missed, before
another was seen, etc.

Finally, I looked at a previous log file, to see if there
was any pattern to the number of messages in the file. It
turns out that in a number of previous logs I had python
errors. Here is one example:

pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 352, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\train.py", line 46, in train_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 641, in GetEmailPackageObject
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\email\__init__.py", line 52, in message_from_string
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\email\Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\email\Parser.py", line 64, in parse
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\email\Parser.py", line 245, in _parsebody
email.Errors.BoundaryError: multipart message with no defined boundary
E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the FCNTL module is deprecated; please use fcntl

It shows the particular text of the message before this
traceback. I'm happy to forward that (or the whole log) to
anyone who cares to see it. There's nothing in it that I
can't share.

For clarification, today's log has no errors in it, just
missing messages.

Sorry for the long post, but this is so effective in scoring
spam, and I somehow feel so close to deriving the benefit
from it, that I am reaching out with as much info as I can
give in the hope of getting this one nailed.

Thanks for reading this far!

From seant at iname.com  Wed Jun  4 09:32:38 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Wed Jun  4 08:33:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] LONG POST: Log file and Outlook Rules analysis
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAMEHEDCAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c32a95$639bbb70$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

> 
> 2) I have 52 Outlook rules. Roughly 10 of them are spam
> related (from before SB), so I could reduce it. Turning them 
> off completely (as Tim suggests) would be too painful to 
> consider at the moment. I deal with many companies each day, 
> and auto sort email from each of those companies into 
> different folders, so that I can deal with them in priority 
> order. If I have to revert to everything coming into one 
> folder, and then filing them by hand, I would lose too much 
> time having to scan the lower priority ones. If this is 
> indeed the problem, that will be too bad for me.
> 
> I wonder how this can be the problem though, as it seemed to
> me that the purpose of the plugin was to look at every
> message before the rules saw them, and only hand "clean" 
> messages off to the rule. Also, I wonder whether I should 
> forgo the concept of the plugin (as wonderful as it is to 
> incrementally train), and simply use the pop3proxy instead?
> 
> 3) At Mark's suggestion, I looked at the log. I had 188 
> messages in my POP3 mailbox on the server waiting to be 
> downloaded. 40 went into the spam folder, 4 into the unsure 
> folder, and the rest went into the various folders according 
> to my rules. 87 of those were caught by SpamAssassin (SA) but 
> when opened individually, showed SB scores of at least .99, 
> with many at 1.0! This of course makes it all the more 
> frustrating, because the training has obviously learned my 
> patterns amazingly well!
> 
> The problem is indeed in _losing messages_! Out of the 188 
> messages that came in, there were only 50 messages seen in 
> the log file. All 50 were processed correctly, meaning they 
> ended up in the correct folders as spam, ham or unsure after 
> being processed. The first three messages were all seen, and 
> were one of each kind. Then it became sporadic as to what was 
> seen and what wasn't. So, it is not the case that the first 
> 50 were seen, and then none of the others. It was either 
> message #4 or #5 that was already missed, before another was 
> seen, etc.

A general problem here is the inconsistent and variable time at which the
Outlook rules run. In general, on my system Outlook 2000 rules ran first --
and Outlook 2002 rules run last. But it's not predictable. For SpamAtBay we
are working on a (cough) hack to make sure that the Outlook rules always run
first, and then have the user "watch" folders that Outlook might move spam
into. For me, that amounts to all rules that move mail based on the mail
account. YMMV.

I ran with this change last night, and it seemed stable. I shared the code
with Mark, and will get it into the next beta for SpamAtBay (due out this
week)

-- Sean


From RJ-Gerry at wiu.edu  Wed Jun  4 10:16:53 2003
From: RJ-Gerry at wiu.edu (Ryan Gerry)
Date: Wed Jun  4 10:17:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Personal statistics
Message-ID: <3EDDFF55.7000504@wiu.edu>

I have been using SpamBayes version 1.0a2 through procmail and cron on 
Solaris since May 12th and have been pleased with it.  I would like to 
contribute my statistics to the project.

Spam classification effectiveness from 5/12/2003 to present:
Total number of legitimate message received: 186
Total number of spam message received: 48
Total False Positives: 5
Total False Negatives: 2
Percent ham accuratly identified: 97.3100
Percent spam accuratly identified: 95.8300

Here is how large my ~/.hammiedb.dir and ~/.hammiedb.dat files were for 
a range of days.

DATE            .dat    .dir
05/19/03        8192    384
05/20/03        16384   392
05/20/03        16544   400
05/21/03        16640   408
05/22/03        16824   416
05/23/03        16960   424
05/24/03        17168   432
05/25/03        17304   432
05/26/03        17336   440
05/27/03        17568   448
05/28/03        17616   456
05/29/03        17864   472
05/30/03        22008   472
05/31/03        22008   480
06/01/03        10056   480
06/02/03        22008   488
06/03/03        22008   528

These file sizes are in kilobytes produced by du(1).  One thing to note 
is that I append to the file size file (above) in the same crontab right 
after I do the mboxtrain.py.  I think that mboxtrain.py may inflate the 
database size becuase if I do a:
$ du -k ~/.hammiedb.dat
right now I get a disk usage of only 11000 KB.

Hope this helps!
Ryan Gerry


From David_Buchanan at ncsu.edu  Wed Jun  4 12:06:45 2003
From: David_Buchanan at ncsu.edu (David Buchanan)
Date: Wed Jun  4 11:06:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes does not filter automatically
Message-ID: <JLEMLOMPPBEBLDFFCPNKGEOMCJAA.David_Buchanan@ncsu.edu>

My installation of SpamBayes seems to work very well, EXCEPT that it does
not filter automatically on power on.  Once I do a manual filter, it works
fine for the rest of the day.  The enable filter box is checked, but the
advanced button is greyed out.  I just installed  the Outlook version (with
no trouble) .  I am using an IMAP account.

Any ideas?

Dave Buchanan

David R. Buchanan
Associate Dean for Research and Extension
College of Textiles
North Carolina State University
2401 Research Drive
Raleigh, NC 27695-8301

Phone:  (919) 515-6649
Fax:  (919) 515-3057
Email:  david_buchanan@ncsu.edu


From mail at peterbe.com  Wed Jun  4 19:23:47 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed Jun  4 14:03:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible to recount hams and spams on
  hammie.db?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030604115041.03c47bb8@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030604182020.02d5bd70@localhost>

At 11:53 2003-06-04 +0100, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
>I use only the pop3proxy.
>Downloaded the latest CVS version this morning, and when I load Spam.mbx I 
>get no errors and hammie.db grows as expected. However, in the 
>webinterface is says: "Total emails trained: Spam: 0 Ham: 0"
>Obviously a bug, but let's worry about that separatly.
>Is there a method I can invoke to recount? The count shouldn't have 
>anything to do with hammie.db and its functions.

Just found out what to do! My computer crashed and restarted itself. Now I 
get the correct counts.

No, actually I don't or else I've made some strange misstake.

"Total emails trained: Spam: 30690 Ham: 2800"

But _pop3proxyham.mbox is 9Mb and _pop3proxyspam.mbox is 11Mb
(hammie.db is 2.5Mb)

So my question remains, is there an easy way to force recount?
Peter


From tim at zope.com  Wed Jun  4 15:31:47 2003
From: tim at zope.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Jun  4 14:33:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB880113DB36@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEBHEMAB.tim@zope.com>

[Moore, Paul]
> Just got back from holidays to find the new lists. Great - that will
> cut down on some of the traffic I don't have time to read :-)
>
> However, can I ask that bug reports *don't* get sent to the -dev list.
> Unless I misread the archives, the vast majority of the list traffic
> is bug reports, and I'm sorry but I don't have time to read all of
> these. Yes, I can probably filter somehow to strip them out, but it's
> more pain than I want.
>
> If we need bugs going to a list, can we have a spambayes-bugs list so
> that people who want to track development discussions can opt out of
> the bugs traffic?

I don't have patience for more mailing lists, so don't expect any action
from me.  If Mark is keen to burn more of his time on administrivia, he's
welcome to set up a new list for each reader <wink>.


From biz at wisdirect.com  Wed Jun  4 13:52:46 2003
From: biz at wisdirect.com (Don Bizub)
Date: Wed Jun  4 15:53:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Ebay problems
Message-ID: <000d01c32ad2$e25bc670$3203a8c0@bizlaptop>

How can I stop the filter from putting all my ebay bid confirmations in
the spam folder?  I keep using recover from spam but it still keeps
calling it spam.
 
Regards,
 
Donald Michael Bizub
Chief Executive Officer
Western International Securities Incorporated
888.793.7717 ext 115
biz@wisdirect.com     www.wisdirect.com
 
From JRay at MAIL-AMERICA.COM  Wed Jun  4 16:49:39 2003
From: JRay at MAIL-AMERICA.COM (Jeff Ray)
Date: Wed Jun  4 16:41:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Request
Message-ID: <91B40BF1F190D311916400A0C91FC39F0149EC67@NTSVR_BACKUP>

Your "About" tab requests users to make suggestions, but I didn't see where
they should be sent. Hopefully, this will make it to the correct
destination.

I would like to suggest that when an incoming email is placed in my "spam"
folder, the new email flag is turned off. 

I give high priority to emails, and the notification flag that pops up in my
system tray let's me know I have new messages. It would be great if the flag
only came up when I had "good" mail in my inbox.

I've been using the program for only a day, and it's been extremely helpful.
Thanks for making it available!

Jeff

From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 18:48:01 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Wed Jun  4 17:48:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] do you have an ini file that works for linux?
Message-ID: <Law8-F652yL4l4VsA6X00049a57@hotmail.com>




>From: papaDoc <papaDoc@videotron.ca>
>To: sean darcy <seandarcy@hotmail.com>, spambayes@python.org
>Subject: Re: [Spambayes] do you have an ini file that works for linux?
>Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:58:42 -0400
>
.....................
>
>In evolution to see the header you need to open the email, (This is not the 
>same as viewing the email in the main window). Then in
>the view menu of this new window you can enable the view complete header or 
>something similar.


Right. When I ask for full header I see it.

To: seandarcy@xxxxxxxx.com
Message-id:  <9u78$z03c042ofqy$vj4-vf99472@a5d.463z.z8en>
MIME-version:  1.0
X-Mailer:  Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
Content-type:  multipart/alternative; 
boundary="Boundary_(ID_xqhvdWhSKFwliQ+lu7+c/Q)"
X-Priority:  3
X-MSMail-priority:  Normal
Original-recipient:  rfc822;seandarcy@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
X-Spambayes-Classification:  ham
X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability:  0.00686441467269
X-Spambayes-Level:
X-Spambayes-MailId:  1054694608-2
X-Evolution-Source:  pop://seandarcy@localhost/

So it's there. BUT -what do I tell evolution to filter on?

There is a place for Specific Header. Do I enter X-Spambayes-Classification?
>
>>Does anyone have an bayescustomize.ini that works for them on a similar 
>>system?
>
>What are you using pop3proxy.py or a combination of mboxtrain.py and 
>hammie.py ?


pop3proxy.py. But I no longer think that's my problem. It's confguring 
evolution.
>Remi
>
Thanks for the help

sean

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From aricart at tibco.com  Wed Jun  4 18:16:54 2003
From: aricart at tibco.com ((Manuel) Alberto Ricart)
Date: Wed Jun  4 18:13:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin
Message-ID: <NDBBLCAEMKLGCCGHPKDEMEFBDNAA.aricart@tibco.com>


I love it. Have been using it for a week and your plugin now stops 100% of
all spam with no false positives.

The outlook plugin should put up some sort of progress bar whenever it is
doing something. This dialog should allow cancelling. One of my archives is
over 1GB and spambayes takes quite a bit of time perusing there.

Wish it was written in C/C++ so that it would be very fast on large email
files.

Thanks for a great thing.

/a









From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun  5 11:05:16 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Jun  4 20:06:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Request
In-Reply-To: <91B40BF1F190D311916400A0C91FC39F0149EC67@NTSVR_BACKUP>
Message-ID: <041b01c32af6$26a49eb0$530f8490@eden>

> Your "About" tab requests users to make suggestions, but I
> didn't see where
> they should be sent. Hopefully, this will make it to the correct
> destination.

It is - thanks.

> I would like to suggest that when an incoming email is placed
> in my "spam"
> folder, the new email flag is turned off.

This has come up before.  Unfortunately, Outlook itself is in control of
this.  The best we could do is to mark such messages as "Read" as they come
in, thereby hopefully getting the same result.  However, directly changing
this icon is not practical.

This is already down as a feature request, but is going to have to wait
until either they clone me, or I get around to a better scheme for dialogs
(that Sean has already sent me - so back to the "clone" bit!)

Mark.



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun  5 11:07:21 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Jun  4 20:08:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes does not filter automatically
In-Reply-To: <JLEMLOMPPBEBLDFFCPNKGEOMCJAA.David_Buchanan@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <041c01c32af6$70223fc0$530f8490@eden>

Is it possible that the "Inbox" selected to watch for incoming messages is
the "wrong" inbox.  SpamBayes defaults to the Inbox, but at least one other
IMAP user has reported that the inbox it selected was the wrong one - and
the fact the main dialog doesn't have full paths does not make that obvious.

Future versions will *not* default to the Inbox.

If that is not your problem, then I have no idea - please see
troubleshooting.html for the next steps you should take.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of David Buchanan
> Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 1:07 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes does not filter automatically
>
>
> My installation of SpamBayes seems to work very well, EXCEPT
> that it does
> not filter automatically on power on.  Once I do a manual
> filter, it works
> fine for the rest of the day.  The enable filter box is
> checked, but the
> advanced button is greyed out.  I just installed  the Outlook
> version (with
> no trouble) .  I am using an IMAP account.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Dave Buchanan
>
> David R. Buchanan
> Associate Dean for Research and Extension
> College of Textiles
> North Carolina State University
> 2401 Research Drive
> Raleigh, NC 27695-8301
>
> Phone:  (919) 515-6649
> Fax:  (919) 515-3057
> Email:  david_buchanan@ncsu.edu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun  5 11:13:28 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Jun  4 20:14:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] LONG POST: Log file and Outlook Rules analysis
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAMEHEDCAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <042501c32af7$4ab4afb0$530f8490@eden>

In addition to Sean's comments:

> 2) I have 52 Outlook rules. Roughly 10 of them are spam
> related (from before SB), so I could reduce it. Turning them
> off completely (as Tim suggests) would be too painful to
> consider at the moment. I deal with many companies each day,
> and auto sort email from each of those companies into
> different folders, so that I can deal with them in priority
> order. If I have to revert to everything coming into one
> folder, and then filing them by hand, I would lose too much
> time having to scan the lower priority ones. If this is
> indeed the problem, that will be too bad for me.

I too still need lots of rules - just none are Spam related any more.  So
you are not alone.  Worse, I fear that in some cases, SpamBayes is
preventing the Outlook rules from running.  Sean's solution may well end up
in the next release.

> Finally, I looked at a previous log file, to see if there
> was any pattern to the number of messages in the file. It
> turns out that in a number of previous logs I had python
> errors. Here is one example:

This particular error was fixed in CVS yesterday!

> Thanks for reading this far!

No worries.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun  5 11:22:25 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Jun  4 20:23:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
In-Reply-To: <008901c31077$884239a0$3429a8c0@craps>
Message-ID: <000d01c32af8$8ae9cce0$530f8490@eden>

The best I can tell, this error is 0x800CCCD3 IMAP_BAD_RESPONSE

Are you using an IMAP folder?  I have made a "fix" here for this - if we can
not save the "Spam" field (which is where your error came from) we will log
a message, but still attempt to perform the filter operation (ie, the move).
Unfortunately, I have no idea if this will actually solve your problem.

Are you able to run from the CVS SourceCode version?  If so, grab it and try
it.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org]On Behalf
> Of Shaun Broadbent
> Sent: Friday, 2 May 2003 4:53 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
>
>
> I am running
> XP Version	5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
> Outlook 2002(10.4712.4219)SP-2
> On a Dell Latitude C610 Laptop.
>
> Every mail item seems to attract the following error and is
> subsequently
> un-filtered.
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Here's the Deal.....What Are You Waiting For?' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
>
> The only other error I have received a couple of times is this.
>
> E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the
> FCNTL module is
> deprecated; please use fcntl
>
> Helf?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Shaun
>
>
>
> Logs --------
>
> SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
> Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\shaun\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\shaun\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 23 spam and 1045 good messages
> Loaded databases in 303.069ms
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Deleted Items
> Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 28.5324ms
> Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2077.83ms
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Italian project
> is go' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7144F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Italian project is go' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Here's the
> Deal.....What Are
> You Waiting For?' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7164F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Here's the Deal.....What Are You Waiting For?' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-04:23
> NOCOL time drift
> CRITICAL' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7184F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message '04/30-04:23 NOCOL time drift CRITICAL' had a Spam
> classification of
> 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-04:35
> NOCOL services
> UNREACHABLE' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71A4F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message '04/30-04:35 NOCOL services UNREACHABLE' had a Spam
> classification
> of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71C4F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Re: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Event Alerts' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71E4F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Event Alerts' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-05:15
> NOCOL services
> reachable' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7104F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message '04/30-05:15 NOCOL services reachable' had a Spam
> classification of
> 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Your Daily
> Dilbert 04/30/2003'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7124F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Your Daily Dilbert 04/30/2003' had a Spam classification of
> 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Sites down for 2
> - 3 hours'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7144F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7184F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'RE: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71A4F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'RE: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71E4F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Re: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian
> project is go'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7104F43800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Re: Italian project is go' had a Spam classification
> of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Sites down for 2
> - 3 hours'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7124F43800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian
> project is go'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7144F43800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'RE: Italian project is go' had a Spam classification
> of 'Failed'
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun  5 17:07:24 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun  5 00:08:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CE0B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The proxy classifies them 
> correctly, I get spam, ham and unsure classifications. If I click on 
> review messages link, there are no messages to review. What might be 
> the problem?

This isn't something I've seen before.  As Francois indicated, there
should be a file for each message in one of the cache directories.  Do
you get any sort of error message in the browser window or the terminal
window that you run pop3proxy from?  (pop3proxy absorbs a lot of error
messages unfortunately - I think that we need to do what the Outlook
plugin does and create a log file).

If there aren't any errors, then could you try adding the following
lines to spambayes/FileCorpus.py right after line 330?
        print pn
        crash_on_purpose

This will make pop3proxy exit with an error right after it should have
saved the message.  Any other error messages should also appear, along
with the pathname that it tried to save to.  If you could post this
information, that would be great.  (you can then remove the lines, since
they'll stop the classification).

> The other problem is with smtp-proxy. It proxies mails ok, but when I 
> forward any mails to it with spambayes_spam@localhost address, 
> transmission gets stuck. I use evolution or pine -mail 
> clients. Pine gives 
> the following error: "Sending error: 250 OK"

I haven't tested smtpproxy with evolution or pine.  Do you know if they
include all the headers from a message when forwarding?  If not, then
you need to change this line in your config:
> add_mailid_to=header

To:
add_mailid_to=header, body

If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll try and figure out what else
might be the problem.  If it does, let me know so that I can update the
list of clients, and try and give a more graceful error.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun  5 17:22:22 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun  5 00:23:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CE23@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

(Apologies for the long delay in replying).

> No, it's not just the documentation or the configuration web 
> interface. 
> It's the actual application running-
> At the moment I have a command console open on my windows.
> What other ways are there to start the pop3proxy?

You can start it as a Windows service (on Win2k, WinXP and possibly
WinNT).  See the file windows/pop3proxy_service.py for more information
(the comments at the top have instructions about how to use it).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun  5 17:30:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun  5 00:31:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] muttrc file in the source distro
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CE2C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Just one teeny tiny thing, the colour tagging in the supplied 
> muttrc file doesn't work.  Or at least, not in the latest 
> versions of mutt.
> 
> in contrib/muttrc you show:
> 
>   color index red black "~h 'X-Hammie-Disposition: spam' ~F"
> 
> and what actually works is:
> 
>   color index red black "~h 'X-Spambayes-Classification: spam' "
> 

:)  This should have been changed a *long* time ago.  (Once apon a time
the classification header was called "X-Hammie-Disposition").  I've
checked in the fix, thanks.

> I just ran up a quick page showing how to install it locally 

Is there anything in there that's not specific to your system that might
help our docs?  If so, would you mind sharing?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun  5 17:36:36 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun  5 00:37:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Ebay problems
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CE32@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> How can I stop the filter from putting all my ebay bid 
> confirmations in the spam folder?  I keep using recover from 
> spam but it still keeps calling it spam.

Does the score keep getting progressively lower?  Each time you "Recover
from Spam" the tokens in the message are trained on, and the next time
they are found should result in a lower score.

As another thought, could you check the log file that is created?  (the
troubleshooting.html file has details about how to do this).  Your
database might not be saving correctly, which could cause the error
(this will be less likely in the next release, which saves more often).

Try use the "Show Clues" option on the message to see if you can spot
the reason that the messages are strongly spam.

Let us know you need more help.

=Tony Meyer

From shaun at ekit-inc.com  Thu Jun  5 17:32:11 2003
From: shaun at ekit-inc.com (Shaun Broadbent)
Date: Thu Jun  5 02:41:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
In-Reply-To: <000d01c32af8$8ae9cce0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <004c01c32b2c$3242f470$3429a8c0@craps>

Yep IMAP. Sorry should have mentioned that. Grabbed the CVS and it hasn't
changed except for the
"Still (possibly) atempting to move this message though..."
after the save error. Actually not sure that any spam has come through 
though..
The worst part is manually it all works ie "Delete As Spam" works if I
manually score or filter it all works.

Also Anthony (Baxter) thought I should mention that last month I did a
manual uninstall of the binary plugin and it deleted most of my C:\progra~1\
directory. I can't remember the details but think it was installed to 
c:\progra~1\spambayes can't remember what I selected in the un-installer.

have attached the log from the cvs install fyi. Let me know if you need 
anymore details about my
env.

Thanks

- Shaun

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 10:22 AM
To: shaun@ekit-inc.com
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin

The best I can tell, this error is 0x800CCCD3 IMAP_BAD_RESPONSE

Are you using an IMAP folder?  I have made a "fix" here for this - if we can
not save the "Spam" field (which is where your error came from) we will log
a message, but still attempt to perform the filter operation (ie, the move).
Unfortunately, I have no idea if this will actually solve your problem.

Are you able to run from the CVS SourceCode version?  If so, grab it and try
it.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=bigpond.net.au@python.org]On Behalf
> Of Shaun Broadbent
> Sent: Friday, 2 May 2003 4:53 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
>
>
> I am running
> XP Version	5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
> Outlook 2002(10.4712.4219)SP-2
> On a Dell Latitude C610 Laptop.
>
> Every mail item seems to attract the following error and is
> subsequently
> un-filtered.
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Here's the Deal.....What Are You Waiting For?' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
>
> The only other error I have received a couple of times is this.
>
> E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the
> FCNTL module is
> deprecated; please use fcntl
>
> Helf?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Shaun
>
>
>
> Logs --------
>
> SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
> Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\shaun\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\shaun\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 23 spam and 1045 good messages
> Loaded databases in 303.069ms
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Deleted Items
> Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 28.5324ms
> Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2077.83ms
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Italian project
> is go' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7144F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Italian project is go' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Here's the
> Deal.....What Are
> You Waiting For?' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7164F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Here's the Deal.....What Are You Waiting For?' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-04:23
> NOCOL time drift
> CRITICAL' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7184F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message '04/30-04:23 NOCOL time drift CRITICAL' had a Spam
> classification of
> 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-04:35
> NOCOL services
> UNREACHABLE' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71A4F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message '04/30-04:35 NOCOL services UNREACHABLE' had a Spam
> classification
> of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71C4F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Re: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Event Alerts' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71E4F23800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Event Alerts' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-05:15
> NOCOL services
> reachable' (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7104F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message '04/30-05:15 NOCOL services reachable' had a Spam
> classification of
> 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Your Daily
> Dilbert 04/30/2003'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7124F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Your Daily Dilbert 04/30/2003' had a Spam classification of
> 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Sites down for 2
> - 3 hours'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7144F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7184F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'RE: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71A4F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'RE: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian
> project is go '
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A71E4F33800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Re: Italian project is go ' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian
> project is go'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7104F43800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Re: Italian project is go' had a Spam classification
> of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Sites down for 2
> - 3 hours'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7124F43800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours' had a Spam
> classification of 'Failed'
> Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian
> project is go'
> (read)
> id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E6
> 46C6C000000000
> 00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E7
> 47320616E64205
> 3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C417
> 0706C696361746
> 96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6
> F6F6B6D61696C2
> E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F4
> 95C1D2AB458093
> 40DA551C6A7144F43800>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in
> filter_message
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
> com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
> Message 'RE: Italian project is go' had a Spam classification
> of 'Failed'
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun  5 20:17:29 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Jun  5 05:18:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
In-Reply-To: <004c01c32b2c$3242f470$3429a8c0@craps>
Message-ID: <01ba01c32b43$49d93240$530f8490@eden>

> Yep IMAP. Sorry should have mentioned that. Grabbed the CVS
> and it hasn't
> changed except for the
> "Still (possibly) atempting to move this message though..."
> after the save error. Actually not sure that any spam has
> come through
> though..

Are you still seeing exceptions in the log since the CVS update?  If so, you
have may at least "unsure", and it is still failing.  I will back that
change out.  (I think that hotmail works if I do 2 saves - I must track that
down).  Your traceback seemed different to that one tho - you weren't
getting to the "Save" (but you will be now)

> The worst part is manually it all works ie "Delete As Spam" works if I
> manually score or filter it all works.

That is strange - Delete as Spam does the same move.

> Also Anthony (Baxter) thought I should mention that last month I did a
> manual uninstall of the binary plugin and it deleted most of
> my C:\progra~1\
> directory. I can't remember the details but think it was installed to
> c:\progra~1\spambayes can't remember what I selected in the
> un-installer.

That certainly is strange.  It is certainly the first such report.

> have attached the log from the cvs install fyi. Let me know
> if you need
> anymore details about my
> env.

hrm - not really.

Mark.


From ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi  Thu Jun  5 14:11:12 2003
From: ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi (Ilkka Tengvall)
Date: Thu Jun  5 06:13:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CE0B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306051258530.6667-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> Do
> you get any sort of error message in the browser window or the terminal
> window that you run pop3proxy from?

no i don't get any other than regular lines:
---&<-------------
Loading database... Loading state from /home/it/.spambayes/hammie.db 
database
/home/itengval/.spambayes/hammie.db is an existing database, with 139 spam 
and 93 ham
Done.
SMTP Listener on port 2500 is proxying mail.xxx.fi:25
Listener on port 1110 is proxying pop.xxx.fi:110
Listener on port 1111 is proxying mailbox.yyy.fi:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
---&<-------------

> 
> If there aren't any errors, then could you try adding the following
> lines to spambayes/FileCorpus.py right after line 330?

this is what i did (cvs diff):

---&<-------------
Index: FileCorpus.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/spambayes/FileCorpus.py,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -r1.5 FileCorpus.py
330a331,332
>       print pn
>       crash_on_purpose
---&<-------------

> This will make pop3proxy exit with an error right after it should have
> saved the message.  Any other error messages should also appear, along
> with the pathname that it tried to save to.  If you could post this
> information, that would be great.  (you can then remove the lines, since
> they'll stop the classification).

i did see no difference in operation. this change did not stop pop3proxy, 
neither did it print out anything as you see above. I did not see any 
additional printouts in _pop3proxy.log file eihter.

> I haven't tested smtpproxy with evolution or pine.  Do you know if they

I will let you hear about smtp proxy when I am not behind remote 
connection and can do more testing. You were right though about the pine 
suppressing headers, that what it does while forwarding mail.

Thanks for checking into my problem!

 -ikke


From gmann at spss.com  Thu Jun  5 09:25:44 2003
From: gmann at spss.com (Mann, Gerald)
Date: Thu Jun  5 09:25:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] E-mail filter gets reset each time I shut down my
	computer
Message-ID: <06F4FFE29EF3454D86A2E43487DC287B010F7F98@hqemail1.spss.com>

  Anytime I shut down my computer and restart it, all the the training and the rules are reset to their initial state.  Any ideas?  I'm using Outlook 2000 with Windows 2000.
From maurice.zovi at idl.com  Thu Jun  5 09:44:59 2003
From: maurice.zovi at idl.com (Maurice Zovi)
Date: Thu Jun  5 09:45:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: spambayes outlook filter question...
Message-ID: <551AD7730AA395418A55C59B9CFCA583025CBB@mail.idl.com>

Is there a way to have the spam it catches, automatically marked as being read? It's a hassle when spam comes in and the filter catches it and puts it in the spam folder, but outlook still alerts you that an unread message is waiting for you. If not, maybe you can build this in as a registry setting or something. Please reply. Thanks.

From BBraxton at vts.edu  Thu Jun  5 10:56:31 2003
From: BBraxton at vts.edu (Braxton, Bob)
Date: Thu Jun  5 09:53:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: spambayes outlook filter question...
Message-ID: <703855451591D311ABD7009027DE7DF1035463AA@ASPINWALL>


Since I have NOT (actually) read it, my opinion is that this works the way
it is supposed to work (at least I like the way it works now).

Robert Braxton


-----Original Message-----
From: Maurice Zovi [mailto:maurice.zovi@idl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:45 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: spambayes outlook filter question...


Is there a way to have the spam it catches, automatically marked as being
read? It's a hassle when spam comes in and the filter catches it and puts it
in the spam folder, but outlook still alerts you that an unread message is
waiting for you. If not, maybe you can build this in as a registry setting
or something. Please reply. Thanks.

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

From skip at pobox.com  Thu Jun  5 10:19:59 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:20:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: spambayes outlook filter question...
In-Reply-To: <551AD7730AA395418A55C59B9CFCA583025CBB@mail.idl.com>
References: <551AD7730AA395418A55C59B9CFCA583025CBB@mail.idl.com>
Message-ID: <16095.20879.985771.952780@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Maurice> Is there a way to have the spam it catches, automatically
    Maurice> marked as being read?

Known issue.  I added a question to the FAQ about this.

Skip

From JParker at ClarkHill.com  Thu Jun  5 11:42:25 2003
From: JParker at ClarkHill.com (JParker@ClarkHill.com)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:41:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Not keeping correct Spam Folder
Message-ID: <F7575002DA9FD411AC24000629A821BD01E07F47@detex1.clarkhill>

First of all, this is a GREAT program.  It works awesome and it saves me an
incredible amount of time.  SpamBayes is a real gem.  My whole firm may end
up using it when I am done testing.  I am using Outlook 2000.
 
I think I have found one bug though which is rather annoying.  I created a
spam folder and pointed Spambayes to it and trained it and all was working
great.  Then I had this bright idea just to send my spam directly to my
"Deleted Items" so I went into Define Filters and told it to move spam
directly to that folder, then deleted the Spam folder I had created.  That
worked great, but . . .
 
Realizing why this was NOT a good idea, I re-created the Spam folder, then
went back into Define Filters and pointed it back to that folder.
 
The problem is, every time I close Outlook it defaults back to "Deleted
Items" as the place to move my spam to.  Each time I start Outlook I go in
and change it back to the "Spam" folder, and it works great for that
session, but as soon as I close Outlook it defaults back to "Deleted Items"
again.
 
 
From chris at symac.com  Thu Jun  5 18:26:18 2003
From: chris at symac.com (Chris Carr)
Date: Thu Jun  5 12:26:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook 2000 and Windows 2000
Message-ID: <3EDF6F2A.5070005@symac.com>

I had installed the Spambayes Outlook Plug In with Outlook 2000 SR2 and 
Windows 2000 SP3 using Exchange server 2000 for email. It was working 
well and I was very impressed with how it worked.

Then the Spam icons on the toolbar dissapeared. I reinstalled the plug 
in. The icons returned and the original settings remained. But email is 
no longer beinfg filtered. To delete as spam I have to click on the icon 
twice.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled, which makes no difference.

How can I completely remove Spambayes from the PC, so that I can make a 
completely fresh installation and start training from scratch. I suspect 
this will be the answer.

Regards

Chris Carr



From hadar at unorthodox.com  Thu Jun  5 14:07:06 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Thu Jun  5 13:07:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook 2000 and Windows 2000
In-Reply-To: <3EDF6F2A.5070005@symac.com>
Message-ID: <003201c32b84$e481dfe0$01000001@RATCHET>

Chris, this might not solve your problem, but I had
a somewhat similar problem early on, and the solution
to mine was simple to "reset the standard toolbar"
(by right-clicking in the toolbar, clicking on
"customize", and then on "reset"). Then quit Outlook
and restart it. The toolbar will appear coorectly
again, as the addin registers itself each time it
gets loaded.

YMMV, but this has worked for me the few times that
I had a UI glitch.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun  6 08:41:10 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun  5 18:39:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CEA6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> i did see no difference in operation. this change did not 
> stop pop3proxy, 
> neither did it print out anything as you see above. I did not see any 
> additional printouts in _pop3proxy.log file either.

Well this does at least narrow it down.  This means that the FileCorpus
is never trying to store the message (which is *not* right!).

Could you try adding this to pop3proxy.py after line 462?
                    print "added message"
                else:
                    print state.isTest, options["pop3proxy",
"cache_messages"]

You should either get a lot of "added message" messages in the terminal
window (this will be bewildering), or a series of pairs of True/False
values (or 1/0 values, depending on the Python version) messages (one of
which will be the culprit).

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Jun  6 12:02:08 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Jun  5 21:03:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Not keeping correct Spam Folder
In-Reply-To: <F7575002DA9FD411AC24000629A821BD01E07F47@detex1.clarkhill>
Message-ID: <002f01c32bc7$42116b70$530f8490@eden>


> The problem is, every time I close Outlook it defaults back
> to "Deleted
> Items" as the place to move my spam to.  Each time I start
> Outlook I go in
> and change it back to the "Spam" folder, and it works great for that
> session, but as soon as I close Outlook it defaults back to
> "Deleted Items"
> again.

Can you try re-configuring the addin, then shutting down outlook, giving it
enough time to make sure it truly does shut down.  Check the list of
processes to ensure Outlook.exe is actually dead.  You may need to select
"Exit and Log Off" for this to work.  At this stage, the configuration will
be saved (and the log file shoudl reflect this).

The next version will save the configuration as it is change, rather than as
Outlook exits, so should be more reliable.

If that doesn't seem the problem please look at your logs and see if there
was an error.

Mark.


From lcalmus at msn.com  Thu Jun  5 13:46:11 2003
From: lcalmus at msn.com (Lawrence Calmus)
Date: Thu Jun  5 22:08:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] databases are empty
Message-ID: <PFEPLIMFKPLNJHHAHBJCCELCHLAA.lcalmus@msn.com>

I've been using the spambayes Outlook plugin for about 3 weeks.  I trained
it and it was working fine.  Now the delete as spam button is not working
because when I go to the manager it shows that the plug in hasn't been
trained.

I leave my machine on and it had automatically rebooted during the night.
But I don't see how this would cause the training to be lost.  I have
rebooted since I installed the plug-in and it worked fine.

I'm using Outllook 2000 under Windows 2000 Pro

I originally attached the log file but it caused the message to bounce.

Great program I really like it.

Lawrence Calmus
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Jun  6 13:21:33 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Jun  5 22:22:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] databases are empty
In-Reply-To: <PFEPLIMFKPLNJHHAHBJCCELCHLAA.lcalmus@msn.com>
Message-ID: <000001c32bd2$59f598a0$530f8490@eden>

Please try re-configuring/training, then explicitly shutting down Outlook
(with "Exit and Log Off" if that is on your File menu.)  Check Outlook.exe
has actually terminated using the Task Manager.  Outlook should then restart
with the correct information.

The next release will fix this.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Lawrence Calmus
> Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 5:46 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] databases are empty
>
>
> I've been using the spambayes Outlook plugin for about 3
> weeks.  I trained
> it and it was working fine.  Now the delete as spam button is
> not working
> because when I go to the manager it shows that the plug in hasn't been
> trained.
>
> I leave my machine on and it had automatically rebooted
> during the night.
> But I don't see how this would cause the training to be lost.  I have
> rebooted since I installed the plug-in and it worked fine.
>
> I'm using Outllook 2000 under Windows 2000 Pro
>
> I originally attached the log file but it caused the message
> to bounce.
>
> Great program I really like it.
>
> Lawrence Calmus
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From MRaheem at ecfs.org  Fri Jun  6 00:45:02 2003
From: MRaheem at ecfs.org (Raheem, Murad)
Date: Thu Jun  5 23:45:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] various items
Message-ID: <C370C730FC2AD611ADFC00508B8BF7F702E888@ecmail.ecfs.org>

Hi all,

Firstly thanks for a very nice product.  I work for a school and this
program will help us greatly.  

I had a question regarding using it with multiple profiles/machines.  Does
the database change for each profile?  Also Is there a way to transfer a
"trained" database to another computer.  For example I use outlook at home
and work, on two machines.  If there is anything we can help try please let
me know.  




Thanks.


Murad Raheem
Director of IT
Ethical Culture Fieldston School

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun  6 16:55:22 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun  5 23:56:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] various items
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6D155@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I had a question regarding using it with multiple 
> profiles/machines.  Does the database change for each 
> profile?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "profile".  Is this to do with
using the same copy of Outlook for two users?  In that case I'm not
sure.  If you are logging in separately (using WinNT, Win2k or WinXP),
you'll all have separate databases.

> Also Is there a way to transfer a "trained" 
> database to another computer.  For example I use outlook at 
> home and work, on two machines.  If there is anything we can 
> help try please let me know.  

There's nothing stopping you sharing the files between machines.  The
only caveat is to be sure that the db version is the same on both
machines - if you are using the Outlook binary on both, then you have
nothing to worry about.

The file that you need to copy is (probably) stored in c:\Documents and
Settings\username\Application Data\Spambayes (for WinNT, Win2k and
WinXP).  You can just sync between machines with whatever tool you would
normally do sync'ing with.  The particular file you're after is called
'default_bayes_database.db'.

=Tony Meyer

From ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi  Fri Jun  6 09:20:21 2003
From: ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi (Ilkka Tengvall)
Date: Fri Jun  6 01:22:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy no reviews and smtpproxy stuck
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301D6CEA6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306060804030.9086-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> Could you try adding this to pop3proxy.py after line 462?
>                     print "added message"
>                 else:
>                     print state.isTest, options["pop3proxy",
> "cache_messages"]

I assumed  you mean the line 462 of 1.0a2 version pop3proxy? I 
made the fix to the same spot in 1.80 version (in onList -function), and 
this is what i get into pop3proxy printouts while fetching few messages:

---&<-----------------
$ pop3proxy.py
Loading database... Loading state from /home/it/.spambayes/hammie.db 
database
/home/it/.spambayes/hammie.db is an existing database, with 139 spam 
and 93 ham
Done.
SMTP Listener on port 2500 is proxying mail.saunalahti.fi:25
Listener on port 1110 is proxying pop.xxx.fi:110
Listener on port 1111 is proxying mailbox.yyy.fi:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
added message
added message
added message
added message
added message
added message
0 1
0 1
added message
0 1
0 1
---&<-----------------


> You should either get a lot of "added message" messages in the terminal
> window (this will be bewildering), or a series of pairs of True/False
> values (or 1/0 values, depending on the Python version) messages (one of
> which will be the culprit).

hope you can see something from this printout. It seems I get both. BTW, I 
forgot to put back the previous patch, but I assume it is no problem since 
it didn't get called. 


I hope that was the right spot for the patch, here's the diff:

---&<-----------------
Index: pop3proxy.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/pop3proxy.py,v
retrieving revision 1.80
diff -r1.80 pop3proxy.py
414a415,417
>                     print "added message"
>                 else:
>                     print state.isTest, options["pop3proxy","cache_messages"]
---&<-----------------

> =Tony Meyer

 -it 




From BBraxton at vts.edu  Fri Jun  6 09:58:53 2003
From: BBraxton at vts.edu (Braxton, Bob)
Date: Fri Jun  6 08:55:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] various items
Message-ID: <703855451591D311ABD7009027DE7DF1035463D3@ASPINWALL>

In our case (also a school), each student has a Windows 2000 server private
disk space which we call "H" through a local drive MAP command (Windows 2000
clients, Outlook XP (2002) - Exchange server 5.5).
I, personally, have the situation of (dial-up) home access and local connect
here on campus.
The ideal here would be to have the controlling database be located on the
student's "H" so that it "looks" the same from any of the 20 or so public
desktop computers on campus. Each person has their own login. Having the
data file in the single location would mean no synchronizing required.

Robert Braxton

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:55 PM
To: Raheem, Murad; SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] various items

> I had a question regarding using it with multiple 
> profiles/machines.  Does the database change for each 
> profile?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "profile".  Is this to do with
using the same copy of Outlook for two users?  In that case I'm not
sure.  If you are logging in separately (using WinNT, Win2k or WinXP),
you'll all have separate databases.

> Also Is there a way to transfer a "trained" 
> database to another computer.  For example I use outlook at 
> home and work, on two machines.  If there is anything we can 
> help try please let me know.  

There's nothing stopping you sharing the files between machines.  The
only caveat is to be sure that the db version is the same on both
machines - if you are using the Outlook binary on both, then you have
nothing to worry about.

The file that you need to copy is (probably) stored in c:\Documents and
Settings\username\Application Data\Spambayes (for WinNT, Win2k and
WinXP).  You can just sync between machines with whatever tool you would
normally do sync'ing with.  The particular file you're after is called
'default_bayes_database.db'.

=Tony Meyer

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Fri Jun  6 15:50:07 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Fri Jun  6 14:59:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to find the email from _pop3proxy.log
Message-ID: <3EE0E25F.7030905@videotron.ca>

Hi,

I have this message when pop3proxy has the log file enable

> placing 1054917361-4 in corpus cache
> Flushing 1054814303 from corpus cache
> placing 1054826304 in corpus cache
> Flushing 1054827795 from corpus cache
> error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
> <__main__.ServerLineReader c
> onnected at 0xb1aff0> (email.Errors.HeaderParseError:Not a header, not 
> a continu
> ation: ``charset="iso-8859-1"'' 
> [C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py|p
> 18 3990
> 19 8807
> 20 5457
> 21 16741
> 22 5040
> .
> UIDL
> +OK unique-id listing follows
> 1 2630-1049602267
> 2 2631-1049602267
> 3 2632-1049602267
> 4 2633-1049602267
> 5 2634-1049602267
> 6 2635-1049602267
> 7 2636-1049602267
> 8 2637-1049602267
> 9 2638-1049602267
> 10 2639-1049602267
> 11 2640-1049602267
> 12 2641-1049602267
> 13 2642-1049602267
> 14 2643-1049602267
> 15 2644-1049602267
> 16 2645-1049602267
> 17 2646-1049602267
> 18 2647-1049602267
> 19 2648-1049602267
> 20 2649-1049602267
> 21 2650-1049602267
> 22 2651-1049602267
> .
> XSENDER 17
> +OK
> RETR 17


How can I find the email which is causing problem  ?





From jeremy at zope.com  Fri Jun  6 21:45:51 2003
From: jeremy at zope.com (Jeremy Hylton)
Date: Fri Jun  6 16:45:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to find the email from _pop3proxy.log
In-Reply-To: <3EE0E25F.7030905@videotron.ca>
References: <3EE0E25F.7030905@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <1054932316.12690.10.camel@slothrop.zope.com>

On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 14:50, papaDoc wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have this message when pop3proxy has the log file enable
> 
> > placing 1054917361-4 in corpus cache
> > Flushing 1054814303 from corpus cache
> > placing 1054826304 in corpus cache
> > Flushing 1054827795 from corpus cache
> > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
> > <__main__.ServerLineReader c
> > onnected at 0xb1aff0> (email.Errors.HeaderParseError:Not a header, not 
> > a continu
> > ation: ``charset="iso-8859-1"'' 
> > [C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py|p
> > 18 3990
> > 19 8807
> > 20 5457
> > 21 16741
> > 22 5040
> > .
> > UIDL
> > +OK unique-id listing follows
> > 1 2630-1049602267
> > 2 2631-1049602267
> > 3 2632-1049602267
> > 4 2633-1049602267
> > 5 2634-1049602267
> > 6 2635-1049602267
> > 7 2636-1049602267
> > 8 2637-1049602267
> > 9 2638-1049602267
> > 10 2639-1049602267
> > 11 2640-1049602267
> > 12 2641-1049602267
> > 13 2642-1049602267
> > 14 2643-1049602267
> > 15 2644-1049602267
> > 16 2645-1049602267
> > 17 2646-1049602267
> > 18 2647-1049602267
> > 19 2648-1049602267
> > 20 2649-1049602267
> > 21 2650-1049602267
> > 22 2651-1049602267
> > .
> > XSENDER 17
> > +OK
> > RETR 17
> 
> 
> How can I find the email which is causing problem  ?

I had to cope with this problem yesterday.  You can't find out the
information from the log, because the proxy doesn't log a message until
after it is parsed.  I edited the proxy source to add an extra log
output before the message is parsed.  This is just a band-aid, though,
since it logs messages twice.

I think this patch should be sufficient:

Index: pop3proxy.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/pop3proxy.py,v
retrieving revision 1.80
diff -c -r1.80 pop3proxy.py
*** pop3proxy.py	5 May 2003 01:23:07 -0000	1.80
--- pop3proxy.py	6 Jun 2003 20:38:33 -0000
***************
*** 432,437 ****
--- 432,439 ----
              # Break off the first line, which will be '+OK'.
              ok, messageText = response.split('\n', 1)
  
+             state.logFile.write(messageText)
+             state.logFile.flush()
              msg = spambayes.message.SBHeaderMessage()
              msg.setPayload(messageText)
              msg.setId(state.getNewMessageName())

I've been having a bunch of problems with the proxy, but never enough to
spend much time to fix them.  Anyone else interested in making some UI
and robustness improvements?

The chief problem I have is that if the proxy can't parse a message, it
raises an unhandled exception.  asyncore prints an error message but
doesn't close the socket.  So the client is hung until I explicitly
cancel the pop request.  Then I have to go to the POP server's web
interface, figure out which message caused the problem, and manually
remove it from the spool.  Then I can restart the proxy and the POP
client and fetch my mail.

The proxy should be a lot more robust in this situation.  I'd prefer to
see it pass through a message without scoring than have it get stuck
forever.

I'd also like to see the log opened for appending -- "a" instead of
"w".  I've made that change locally, because it doesn't make any sense
to delete the old log on restart.

I'd like to see a different UI that didn't take so long to render its
output.  When I review and score messages, it can often takes more than
a minute to render the generated HTML.  (I get more than 1000 emails a
day.)  I tend to do unsure-only training, so I waste a lot of time
clicking discard for the ham and spam messages and scrolling to the
bottom.

The other UI issue is that reviewing messages is completely decoupled
from reading messages.  I never train on ham or spam, because I'd make
too many mistakes.  I have occasionally found a misclassified message
reading mail several days after it arrived.  At that point, it's too
late to difficult to figure out how to train the proxy on it.  I've
already discarded it when I reviewed messages on the day they arrived.

Jeremy



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Jun  7 11:38:17 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Jun  6 21:43:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] various items
In-Reply-To: <703855451591D311ABD7009027DE7DF1035463D3@ASPINWALL>
Message-ID: <000001c32c96$35085180$3000a8c0@eden>

> In our case (also a school), each student has a Windows 2000
> server private
> disk space which we call "H" through a local drive MAP
> command (Windows 2000
> clients, Outlook XP (2002) - Exchange server 5.5).
> I, personally, have the situation of (dial-up) home access
> and local connect
> here on campus.
> The ideal here would be to have the controlling database be
> located on the
> student's "H" so that it "looks" the same from any of the 20
> or so public
> desktop computers on campus. Each person has their own login.
> Having the
> data file in the single location would mean no synchronizing required.

Clearly the "H:" is site specific.  I take it that you have not taught
Windows that the H: is where application data should exist?

My question is: how are we supposed to know where to keep the file?  Windows
itself has calls we can make to find the "correct" location for these data
files, and indeed this is what we use.  Do you have a specific suggestion
for what we should do to determine this?  (ie, would simply an option in the
INI file work?  But then, how do you manage the creation and distribution of
the modified INI file?)

Mark.


From Greg at TheThomasHome.co.uk  Sat Jun  7 12:32:05 2003
From: Greg at TheThomasHome.co.uk (Greg Thomas)
Date: Sat Jun  7 06:35:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes failure
Message-ID: <mhf3ev02gvr3t0cfjcot134llibertdehg@4ax.com>

Hi,

I've been happily using Spambayes for months, now, until this morning.
When I tried to fetch my email, Spambayes have up with the exception
at the bottom of this email.

It appears to be a problem with the database, because as soon as I
reconfigured to use hammie2.db instead of hammie.db, I could pick up
my email again. Of course, I now have to start training once more ...

Does anyone have any idea what might be going wrong?

TIA,

Greg

Loading database... Done.
Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.btinternet.com:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x2624218>
(exceptions.EOFError: 
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|99]
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396]
[C:\Python22\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130]
[C:\spambayes-1.0a2\pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|199] 
[C:\spambayes-1.0a2\pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|267]
[C:\spambayes-1.0a2\pop3proxy.py|onResponse|341]
[C:\spambayes-1.0a2\pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|437] 
[C:\spambayes-1.0a2\pop3proxy.py|onRetr|484]
[E:\Temp\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\classifier.py|chi2_spamprob|217]
[E:\Temp\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\classifier.py|_getclues|437]
[E:\Temp\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\storage.py|_wordinfoget|192]
[C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py|get|66]
[C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py|__getitem__|71])

From alan at firingsquad.com  Sat Jun  7 13:17:53 2003
From: alan at firingsquad.com (Alan Dang)
Date: Sat Jun  7 15:18:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
Message-ID: <MCECILLCHJPFGPJPFBOJKEPLDEAA.alan@firingsquad.com>

Hi,

Would it be practical/effective to generate white-list email addresses based
upon your sent folder?  You could make it even better by having it time
sensitive; i.e. if you receive a reply to a message you sent within the last
7 days, it'll require more stringent %'s to mark it as spam.  The time delay
is to prevent spammers from using "common" email addresses (i.e.
support@dell.com, etc.)

Alan Dang


From skip at pobox.com  Sat Jun  7 22:37:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat Jun  7 22:37:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
In-Reply-To: <MCECILLCHJPFGPJPFBOJKEPLDEAA.alan@firingsquad.com>
References: <MCECILLCHJPFGPJPFBOJKEPLDEAA.alan@firingsquad.com>
Message-ID: <16098.41302.439168.545353@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Alan> Would it be practical/effective to generate white-list email
    Alan> addresses based upon your sent folder?  

I just received a spam purporting to be from Guido the other day and forgery
of email addresses by email viruses is quite common.  I'm not convinced
white lists are all that useful.

Skip

From JackRnl at Runit.nl  Sun Jun  8 11:34:27 2003
From: JackRnl at Runit.nl (JackRnl)
Date: Sun Jun  8 04:35:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] WHAT does run?
Message-ID: <000201c32d98$ccc5f470$9700000a@SysB>

Although I do have over 20 years of experience with PCs (and not only as a
user) I find it difficult to understand what I need to do EXACTLY and WHAT
is running to get SpamBayes running.

I'm running Win2K + OE6

I installed Python 2.2 and spambayes-1.0a2,
If I click on a(whatever) .py file a dox-box appears for a second or so but
nothing else.
I understood I have to change my pop-server to spambayes_spam@localhost in
order to 'train' Spambayes, but what than?

How do I start Spambayes?
I want Spambayes to test all my mails and NOT walk through mail individually
(I have thousands of mails stored. I would consider them as 'ham' and
eliminate just 'new' mails and maybe a few)?

I can't find where to get hlp, especially a detailed installating guide
(with pictures) would help


Greetings

Jack


From francois.granger at free.fr  Sun Jun  8 12:17:07 2003
From: francois.granger at free.fr (Francois Granger)
Date: Sun Jun  8 05:17:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] WHAT does run?
In-Reply-To: <000201c32d98$ccc5f470$9700000a@SysB>
References: <000201c32d98$ccc5f470$9700000a@SysB>
Message-ID: <a05200f28bb08ae79d93b@[192.168.1.20]>

At 10:34 +0200 on 08/06/2003, in message [Spambayes] WHAT does run?, 
JackRnl wrote:
>Although I do have over 20 years of experience with PCs (and not only as a
>user) I find it difficult to understand what I need to do EXACTLY and WHAT
>is running to get SpamBayes running.
>
>I'm running Win2K + OE6

In this configuration, try to configure pop3proxy.py only. This is 
documented. And there are helpfull messages in the list archive.

At a command prompt, run something like

pythonw pop3proxy.py

Then with a browser, connect to

http://localhost:8880

and configure the pop3 ports of pop3proxy. Then modify the OE 
configuration accordingly. Then you will be able to train on new 
mails.

-- 
Hofstadter's Law :
It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into 
account Hofstadter's Law.

From ez.rider at verizon.net  Sun Jun  8 11:30:38 2003
From: ez.rider at verizon.net (EZ.Rider)
Date: Sun Jun  8 10:31:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and AVG virus catcher
Message-ID: <KNEIIGBOFFPILEPKCGHPCEBBCFAA.ez.rider@verizon.net>

I have been using AVG as my virus program for a year or more.

I just installed the SpamBayes Outlook Plugin and now AVG reports an error when
trying to execute.  If I close down AVG, my machine pretty well freezes up, in
that I cannot load anything from the start button, and when trying to shut down
the machine, it does nothing.  I have to pull the plug to get it to restart.

Has anyone got any information or a solution to this?

Please respond to:
ez.rider@gte.net

Thanks

michael


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun  9 11:16:29 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun  8 18:17:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9AC2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>     Alan> Would it be practical/effective to generate white-list email
>     Alan> addresses based upon your sent folder?  
> 
> I just received a spam purporting to be from Guido the other 
> day and forgery of email addresses by email viruses is quite 
> common.  I'm not convinced white lists are all that useful.

I'm also far from convinced about whitelists.  Two points, however:

1.  If you're using the Outlook plugin, I believe that Sean's SpamAtBay
version _does_ have whitelisting.  You could download the beta (there's
a link in the archives somewhere) and give it a go.  I don't know
anything about the methods they use (whether manual or automatic as you
suggest).

2.  You can train on sent mail, although this would be tricky with
pop3proxy.  This would include various tokens from that mail, including
ones from the recipient email addresses.  IIRC there are messages in the
archives about testing that has been done along these lines.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun  9 11:22:37 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun  8 18:23:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] WHAT does run?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9ACB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I can't find where to get help, especially a detailed 
> installation guide (with pictures) would help

The INTEGRATION.TXT file has a fairly detailed guide (no pictures,
though).  This should be in the spambayes folder, or you can find the
latest copy online at:
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spa
mbayes/INTEGRATION.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain>

(It's also linked from the documentation page of the website:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/docs.html>
Under "Instructions on integrating Spambayes into your mail system".

=Tony Meyer

From seant at iname.com  Sun Jun  8 19:26:39 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Sun Jun  8 18:26:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9AC2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <001601c32e0d$08f3e500$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

Tony wrote:
> 1.  If you're using the Outlook plugin, I believe that Sean's 
> SpamAtBay version _does_ have whitelisting.  You could 
> download the beta (there's a link in the archives somewhere) 
> and give it a go.  I don't know anything about the methods 
> they use (whether manual or automatic as you suggest).
We do, it is both manual and by optionally importing the contact list.
I have 10,000+ messages in my sent list. Walking the list is easy but we
didn't see the payback. Except for whitelisting the people in your circle of
friends that send you things that look like spam, whitelisting is mostly a
negative. There are obvious cases where that can happen, particularly if you
are working on a spam filtering product!

For the most part, however, it's a marketing check off feature.

If you (or anyone else!) would like a beta, just drop me a line.

> 
> 2.  You can train on sent mail, although this would be tricky 
> with pop3proxy.  This would include various tokens from that 
> mail, including ones from the recipient email addresses.  
> IIRC there are messages in the archives about testing that 
> has been done along these lines.
If you want to train on sent mail in SpamAtBay or SpamBayes, I suspect that
all you have to do is include it in the list of folders to train from. Never
tried, and never saw a need to.


-- Sean
Sean True
WebReply.com, Inc.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun  9 11:45:07 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun  8 18:45:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9AEE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[me]
> > 2.  You can train on sent mail, although this would be tricky
> > with pop3proxy.  This would include various tokens from that 
> > mail, including ones from the recipient email addresses.  
> > IIRC there are messages in the archives about testing that 
> > has been done along these lines.
[Sean]
> If you want to train on sent mail in SpamAtBay or SpamBayes, 
> I suspect that all you have to do is include it in the list 
> of folders to train from. Never tried, and never saw a need to.

This definitely works with the Outlook plugin - I used to do this until
I switched to a different (smaller) training regeme.  I don't see any
reason why it wouldn't work the same with the IMAP Filter, assuming that
you saved a copy of outgoing messages on the server.  The wizardry of
hammie can no doubt handle it.  The only one that I doubt can is
pop3proxy, since it can only train on messages that have gone through
the proxy.  You could [b]cc yourself, or use the manual process via the
web interface, but those are probably too much hassle.

(OTOH, if anyone ever produces stats that shows that training on
outgoing mail is helpful, then it would be easy to add this to the SMTP
Proxy).

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Jun  8 19:57:01 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Jun  8 18:57:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9AEE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEHCEJAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Meyer, Tony]
> ...
> (OTOH, if anyone ever produces stats that shows that training on
> outgoing mail is helpful, then it would be easy to add this to the
> SMTP Proxy).

I'd be very cautious about this, and especially from Outlook.  The headers
Outlook produces for a *sent* msg are minimal; for example, hitting Spam
Clues on the last msg I sent to this list yields this as the entire set of
email headers:

    X-Exchange-Message: true
    Subject: RE: [spambayes-dev] Evaluating a training corpus
    To: Meyer, Tony; spambayes-dev@python.org

Teaching the system that, e.g., msgs without Date or Sender headers are ham
could certainly castrate otherwise useful spam clues.  If someone feels they
have to do this, it would probably be better to bcc yourself on sent msgs,
and train on the incoming copy when it arrives.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun  9 12:01:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun  8 19:01:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick option to reduce false positives
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9B07@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tim Peters]
> I'd be very cautious about this, and especially from Outlook. 
>  The headers Outlook produces for a *sent* msg are minimal; 
[...]

One other thing I forgot to mention is that (most) people generally have
enough ham to train on, and training on outgoing may (futher) imbalance
the ham/spam ratio.  (Unless, of course, you are a spammer, and then
maybe you have a fairly balanced ham/spam outgoing ratio ;)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun  9 12:12:29 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun  8 19:13:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] various items
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9B18@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Clearly the "H:" is site specific.  I take it that you have 
> not taught Windows that the H: is where application data should exist?
> My question is: how are we supposed to know where to keep the 
> file? 

One thing that would work, of course, is to get a source copy of
Spambayes and make a modification so that it looks in H:\spambayes\ for
the data (this would be a fairly simple patch).  This would mean losing
the convenience of the binary installer, but avoids the difficulty of
answering Mark's question :)

As a possible answer, however, the installer could ask the user where
application data should be stored (I've used installers that do this).
The 'correct' directory (according to Windows) could be the default,
with other options being the spambayes directory itself and a 'browse'
button.  The installer would then have the task of passing this
information on to the plugin (somehow).  I don't know how difficult this
would be with the McMillan installer that Mark uses.

=Tony Meyer

From seant at iname.com  Sun Jun  8 21:00:33 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Sun Jun  8 20:00:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] various items
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EE9B18@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <002001c32e1a$269a0000$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

> 
> > Clearly the "H:" is site specific.  I take it that you have
> > not taught Windows that the H: is where application data 
> should exist?
> > My question is: how are we supposed to know where to keep the 
> > file? 
> 
> One thing that would work, of course, is to get a source copy 
> of Spambayes and make a modification so that it looks in 
> H:\spambayes\ for the data (this would be a fairly simple 
> patch).  This would mean losing the convenience of the binary 
> installer, but avoids the difficulty of answering Mark's question :)

> 
> As a possible answer, however, the installer could ask the 
> user where application data should be stored (I've used 
> installers that do this). The 'correct' directory (according 
> to Windows) could be the default, with other options being 
> the spambayes directory itself and a 'browse' button.  The 
> installer would then have the task of passing this 
> information on to the plugin (somehow).  I don't know how 
> difficult this would be with the McMillan installer that Mark uses.
> 
> =Tony Meyer

It's a source code change, too, but a fairly straightforward one. Mostly a
matter of adding more user interface the first time the program runs. It's
the sort of thing that commercial developers can be talked into pretty
easily, if there is a possibility of a good reference account or even
revenue! ;-)

Bob -- if you interested in pursuing this (good test and reference accounts
are worth more than money right now, anyway!) just drop me a line.

-- Sean


From poyorena at mindspring.com  Mon Jun  9 00:41:15 2003
From: poyorena at mindspring.com (Tony Poyorena)
Date: Mon Jun  9 02:34:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Windows 98'
Message-ID: <000701c32e52$244985e0$8c2a4a43@g9o5r6>

Dear Sirs,
I read the articles in the March issue of Linux Journal. I have just updated
Python to the 2.2.3 version, I downloaded the bsddb3 module, but now I am
having trouble finding the "installer" to download. I have read through the
documents several times, but I still don't understand exactly how to do it?.
Also I was wondering after the Spambayes program is installed, when the
program is filtering e-mails, how do you stop it from opening attachments?.
>From what I have read it searches the e-mails for "tokens" (words) does
Spambayes automatically open attachments?. Also I have multiple e-mail
accounts (3) in Outlook Express, will that be ok?. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. My Linux Box will be done soon!, but I am very interested in
using Spambayes for that system.
Thanks.......................................


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon Jun  9 01:36:56 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon Jun  9 03:37:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Feature Requests-751204 ] Recalculate spam
	% when you "delete as spam"
Message-ID: <E19PHD6-0001AU-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Feature Requests item #751204, was opened at 2003-06-09 02:36
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Dan Boccabella (swassbac)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Recalculate spam % when you "delete as spam"

Initial Comment:
I frequently go through my SPAM folder that I have set 
to autmatically filter to and sort by SPAM %.  This way I 
can take a closer look at ones it wasn't as sure about.  
Near the top there are always some that I said delete 
as spam to.  I would think those would be updated to 
100% when I click the delete as spam button.

On a related note, if I say recover as SPAM, why can't 
it set the SPAM % to 0%?

Thanks for a great product!

Dan

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon Jun  9 01:39:25 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon Jun  9 03:39:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Feature Requests-751206 ] Any chance for an
	exchange version?
Message-ID: <E19PHFV-0001H9-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Feature Requests item #751206, was opened at 2003-06-09 02:39
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Dan Boccabella (swassbac)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Any chance for an exchange version?

Initial Comment:
I have tried dozens of anti-spam products and this is 
the first one that has been nearly perfect in filtering the 
250-300 daily spam messages from my inbox.

We have been considering deploying another product 
that works on exchange.  Do you have any plans for a 
server-side version?  I would be willing to kick in some 
money towards the effort.

Dan

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From Greg at TheThomasHome.co.uk  Mon Jun  9 11:30:25 2003
From: Greg at TheThomasHome.co.uk (Greg Thomas)
Date: Mon Jun  9 05:34:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and AVG virus catcher
In-Reply-To: <KNEIIGBOFFPILEPKCGHPCEBBCFAA.ez.rider@verizon.net>
References: <KNEIIGBOFFPILEPKCGHPCEBBCFAA.ez.rider@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <vpk8evgldenr0mo31ru9j4hnpfv7pqc19t@4ax.com>

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:30:38 -0400, you wrote:

> Has anyone got any information or a solution to this?

FWIW, Spambayes gave me great grief with VirusScan. I thought at first
that Spambayes was just very CPU intensive, until I noticed that is
was VirusScan that was chewing up all the CPU. I guess Spambayes is
just very generous with it's I/O usage :-)

As a work around, I told VirusScan to ignore the Spambayes folder.
This isn't a problem, as it's only a proxy so any viruses will be
caught when the email client writes them to disk.

Greg

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Jun  9 07:58:24 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Jun  9 07:58:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sort by spam score?
Message-ID: <16100.30304.368978.986964@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I have seen the occasional reference to sorting by spambayes score using the
Outlook plugin.  How do I do that?  Followup: can I do that with SpamAtBay?

Thx,

Skip


From seant at iname.com  Mon Jun  9 09:19:08 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Mon Jun  9 08:19:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sort by spam score?
In-Reply-To: <16100.30304.368978.986964@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <001701c32e81$54dc52d0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

> I have seen the occasional reference to sorting by spambayes 
> score using the Outlook plugin.  How do I do that?  Followup: 
> can I do that with SpamAtBay?
Mark and I both have instructions on doing it manually in OL 2000.
For the next beta of SpamAtBay it's push button for OL 2002+.

-- Sean


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 10 00:12:01 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun  9 09:12:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Windows 98'
In-Reply-To: <000701c32e52$244985e0$8c2a4a43@g9o5r6>
Message-ID: <00ad01c32e88$b780fe20$3000a8c0@eden>

> Dear Sirs,
> I read the articles in the March issue of Linux Journal. I
> have just updated
> Python to the 2.2.3 version, I downloaded the bsddb3 module,
> but now I am
> having trouble finding the "installer" to download. I have
> read through the
> documents several times, but I still don't understand exactly
> how to do it?.

The very best thing you can do is to visit the "sourceforge" pages, and see
the information on grabbing the latest CVS version.  If you can't do this,
you will need to download one of the released .tar.gz/.zip versions - this
will have the .py source code - there is no need for an additional
"installer".  Once you have this, see the Outlook2000\readme.txt for
information on the Outlook addin.  The CVS version is significantly later,
and with significant bugs fixed.  Indeed, if you need to use pop3proxy with
Outlook Express (as later parts of your mail imply) then you *must* grab the
CVS version, as the most recently released version has problems with OE.
Note that Outlook Express and Outlook are completely different products -
the Outlook addin does *not* work with OE.

> Also I was wondering after the Spambayes program is
> installed, when the
> program is filtering e-mails, how do you stop it from opening
> attachments?.
> >From what I have read it searches the e-mails for "tokens"
> (words) does
> Spambayes automatically open attachments?.

It never "opens" them in the traditional sense of the word.  In general,
SpamBayes will see the complete message as it was sent "on the wire".  At no
stage will SpamBayes save to a file and attempt to "open" an attachment.

> Also I have multiple e-mail
> accounts (3) in Outlook Express, will that be ok?.

Outlook Express can not use the Outlook addin.  You will need to use the
pop3proxy application.  Once you have the source, see the readme.

> My Linux Box will be done soon!, but I am very
> interested in
> using Spambayes for that system.

That is likely to use the same pop3proxy application.

Mark.


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Jun  9 09:36:21 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Jun  9 09:36:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sort by spam score?
In-Reply-To: <001701c32e81$54dc52d0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>
References: <16100.30304.368978.986964@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<001701c32e81$54dc52d0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>
Message-ID: <16100.36181.444295.563571@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> How do I do that?

    Sean> Mark and I both have instructions on doing it manually in OL 2000.

Thanks.  It never occurred to me to check Help since most tools I've used on
Windows have had pretty worthless online help.  As I was doinking around
with it before, it also never occurred to me to drag the Spam button to the
display.  (The instructions didn't quite match what I saw on-screen w/ OL
2000, but were close enough to show me the right direction.)

Skip


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon Jun  9 08:22:22 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon Jun  9 10:22:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-751348 ] Problem
	registering DLL/OCX
Message-ID: <E19PNXS-0008Pq-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Support Requests item #751348, was opened at 2003-06-09 07:22
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Category: Install Problem (example)
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kathy Gauvin (kmgauvin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Problem registering DLL/OCX

Initial Comment:
I got the follwoing error:

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed. 

Abort Retry Ignore

Ignore to proceed anyway(not recommended). 


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From miked at jamagination.com  Mon Jun  9 08:37:43 2003
From: miked at jamagination.com (Mike D'Ambrogia)
Date: Mon Jun  9 10:34:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-751348 ] Problemregistering
	DLL/OCX
Message-ID: <EFEHJKNNDELDPDNNCINOMEOGDIAA.MikeD@jamagination.com>


i had this one too.  had cloudmark spam program installed with an active
plugin.  had to go to tools|options etc to get to the plugin screen and then
uncheck the cloudmark program.  exit and close outlook, reinstall went fine.

mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of SourceForge.net
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:22 AM
> To: noreply@sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-751348 ]
> Problemregistering DLL/OCX
>
>
> Support Requests item #751348, was opened at 2003-06-09 07:22
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Category: Install Problem (example)
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kathy Gauvin (kmgauvin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Problem registering DLL/OCX

Initial Comment:
I got the follwoing error:

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed.

Abort Retry Ignore

Ignore to proceed anyway(not recommended).


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon Jun  9 08:40:53 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon Jun  9 10:40:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-751348 ] Problem
	registering DLL/OCX
Message-ID: <E19PNpN-0000mc-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Support Requests item #751348, was opened at 2003-06-09 07:22
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Category: Install Problem (example)
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kathy Gauvin (kmgauvin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Problem registering DLL/OCX

Initial Comment:
I got the follwoing error:

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed. 

Abort Retry Ignore

Ignore to proceed anyway(not recommended). 


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Comment By: mike dee (miked_187)
Date: 2003-06-09 07:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=797254

i had this one too, outlook 2k.  had cloudmark spam program 
installed as an active plugin.  had to go to tools|options etc 
to get to the plugin screen and then uncheck the cloudmark 
program.  exit and close outlook, reinstall went fine.

mike

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From seant at webreply.com  Mon Jun  9 15:32:23 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Mon Jun  9 14:32:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcement: SpamAtBay Beta Candidate 9
Message-ID: <000001c32eb5$780e7ec0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

For the new people on the list: SpamAtBay is a soon to be available
commercial version of the Spambayes addin for Outlook. Any reader of this
list who would like to beta test for us is welcome to a permanent license --
and anyone who is a SpamBayes developer can have the license without
anything other just asking. In either case, just e-mail me.

Brief history: I wrote the first, really, really bad integration with
Outlook, using VBA and a Python COM server. Mark Hammond thought the idea
was neat, but that the execution was, err, flawed, and pretty much rewrote
it from scratch. Over the last few weeks, I've had a team of several people
working on polishing, layout, docs, QA, and (gag) marketing oriented
features. We're going to release a supported version sometime soon.

We're focusing on Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric.

Supported systems: Win98SE, ME, NT 4, Win2K, XP; Outlook 2000/2002/XP. Not
supported: Win95; Outlook Express.

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 9 (0.98)

Focused on: Reliability and installability. 

If you are an Exchange user having problems, please install this release.

There is a new one-click setup wizard.

The old setup wizard is gone. The new supports Express, Custom, and
Advanced modes. The Express mode mode is one click; the Custom gives you
four options, and the Advanced mode brings up the existing Control Panel 

1) The new impersonal/default db is smaller and should be more accurate. 
2) We offer a chance to launch Outlook at the end of the install. 
3) More bulletproofing of the disappearing button graphics. 
4) Outlook rules now run more stably, and messages are missed much less
often. 
5) We periodically sweep all folders looking for missed messages. 
6) Messages moved from one watched folder to another do not retrain as good.

7) Menu ellipsis fix. 
8) There is a new button on the control panel under OL 2002 that will add a
spam score column to all message views. 
9) BC9 runs in verbose logging mode the first four times you run it, and
then offers to send the logs to us. That would be helpful. 
10) The setup wizard warns before overwriting your existing training. 
11) Fixed a bug with cut and paste inside Outlook. 
12) Logs now include timestamps.



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From sgo at cypress.com  Mon Jun  9 13:30:51 2003
From: sgo at cypress.com (Shyam Gokalgandhi)
Date: Mon Jun  9 15:31:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes on win2k - loosing the training info.
Message-ID: <5CFF10F5059DD611944000805FA75160C13C6F@infoworks_nt.mis.cypress.com>


Hi ,

I have spambayes installed on my win2k PC with out look mail client. It
works great. Problem is whenever
I close the outlook mail client it looses the training info and stops
filtering. I did a binary install on my system.
I checked the mailing list archive but wasn't able to figure it out.

Attached is the log file.

Please help 

Thanks,
Shyam.

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From miked at jamagination.com  Mon Jun  9 13:38:57 2003
From: miked at jamagination.com (Mike D'Ambrogia)
Date: Mon Jun  9 15:36:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes on win2k - loosing the training info.
In-Reply-To: <5CFF10F5059DD611944000805FA75160C13C6F@infoworks_nt.mis.cypress.com>
Message-ID: <EFEHJKNNDELDPDNNCINOGECADJAA.MikeD@jamagination.com>

I get this too, while it only takes a few moments to retrain (the folders
that were originally pointed that contain ham and spam show up as the
defaults) the app, it is an annoyance

mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Shyam Gokalgandhi
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes on win2k - loosing the training info.
>
>
>
> Hi ,
>
> I have spambayes installed on my win2k PC with out look mail client. It
> works great. Problem is whenever
> I close the outlook mail client it looses the training info and stops
> filtering. I did a binary install on my system.
> I checked the mailing list archive but wasn't able to figure it out.
>
> Attached is the log file.
>
> Please help
>
> Thanks,
> Shyam.
>
>  <<spambayes1.log>>
>


From CMAWSON at woodsaitken.com  Mon Jun  9 17:49:23 2003
From: CMAWSON at woodsaitken.com (Chad Mawson)
Date: Mon Jun  9 17:49:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Changing the location of the database/settings files
Message-ID: <2E2181EB1EC4FF4D870765E8C40C264202B025@wa3.woodsaitken.com>

I'm guessing this has been discussed somewhere before, but I was unsuccesful in my attempt to find anything about it.  Currently using Outlook 2000 and Windows XP, my directory for the Spambayes user files is "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\SpamBayes\".  Because I sometimes log in to a Terminal Server, it'd be nice to move the files to a network drive.  

Thanks,

Chad Mawson
Woods & Aitken LLP


From epark at nightfire.com  Mon Jun  9 16:08:23 2003
From: epark at nightfire.com (Eddie Park)
Date: Mon Jun  9 18:08:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] DLL/OCX error
Message-ID: <580DF4AEAC15D411A1D200508BA0E7E40756779A@mail>

Hi, I keep getting the following error:

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed. 
Abort Retry Ignore 
Ignore to proceed anyway(not recommended). 

I quit all my apps, reboot my computer, but still won't install correctly.
What am I not doing correctly?

Thanks,
~Eddie

From Craig.Cole at ch2m.com  Mon Jun  9 18:03:36 2003
From: Craig.Cole at ch2m.com (Craig.Cole@ch2m.com)
Date: Mon Jun  9 19:04:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Mail Rules
Message-ID: <FA113C59B06BC04EB5D1D5462476CC3F01449C9D@Teton.amr.ch2m.com>

If I am already running Outlook's Junk Mail feature, should I turn it
off when run Spambayes?  Will they "compete" with each other?  Should I
point Spambayes to use the Junk Mail folder that Outlook is already
using?

Craig
-------------------------------------
Craig Cole/CVO
CH2M HILL
NWR IT Manager
2300 NW Walnut Blvd
Corvallis, OR 97330
541-768-3139
541-766-2905 (fax)
ccole@ch2m.com
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From patrick at picsinc.com  Mon Jun  9 17:15:37 2003
From: patrick at picsinc.com (Patrick Ip)
Date: Mon Jun  9 19:16:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stopped to work starting today
Message-ID: <000b01c32edd$09d574e0$4108a8c0@picsinc.lan>

Spambayes stopped displaying the spam score and I found errors in the log.
I had no idea what those errors.

By the way, all of the 66 spam messages have been deleted from the SPAM
folder so I cannot retrain Spambayes.  I hope there is a way to recover from
the database.

Also I found Spambayes messed up my Outlook tool bar from time to time.

In the log, xxxxxx is my user id.  I changed it to xxxxxx before sending you
the log.

Regards,

Patrick

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Jun  9 20:18:57 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Jun  9 19:21:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Mail Rules
In-Reply-To: <FA113C59B06BC04EB5D1D5462476CC3F01449C9D@Teton.amr.ch2m.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEILEJAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Craig.Cole@ch2m.com]
> If I am already running Outlook's Junk Mail feature, should I turn it
> off when run Spambayes?  Will they "compete" with each other?  Should
> I point Spambayes to use the Junk Mail folder that Outlook is already
> using?

I really don't know -- play around and see what happens!  I expect you'll
find that spambayes does such a good job on its own that you'll have no more
use for Outlook's feeble Junk Mail gimmick.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 10 10:22:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun  9 19:22:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stopped to work starting today
In-Reply-To: <000b01c32edd$09d574e0$4108a8c0@picsinc.lan>
Message-ID: <004001c32edd$f029d7b0$3000a8c0@eden>

> By the way, all of the 66 spam messages have been deleted
> from the SPAM
> folder so I cannot retrain Spambayes.  I hope there is a way
> to recover from
> the database.

I'm afraid you need to re-train, selecting "rebuild entire database".  We
have no idea why that happens, but you are not the first.  Presumably, if
you find it worthwhile to run SpamBayes, it wont take you long to collect 60
more spam :)

> Also I found Spambayes messed up my Outlook tool bar from
> time to time.

The new version has hopefully fixed this.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 10 10:22:55 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun  9 19:23:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Mail Rules
In-Reply-To: <FA113C59B06BC04EB5D1D5462476CC3F01449C9D@Teton.amr.ch2m.com>
Message-ID: <004101c32ede$0f7e51e0$3000a8c0@eden>

> If I am already running Outlook's Junk Mail feature, should I turn it
> off when run Spambayes?  

Yes.

> Will they "compete" with each other? 

Not really, but theirs is useless!

>  Should I
> point Spambayes to use the Junk Mail folder that Outlook is already
> using?

That would be fine as your "Spam" folder, and presumably a good start for
training data.

Mark.
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From ccs-dgh at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jun  9 22:22:24 2003
From: ccs-dgh at ix.netcom.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9e_&_Clyde?=)
Date: Mon Jun  9 21:22:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Binary Installed -- No Anti-spam Dropdown Button found
	on Outlook Std Menu -- No Log File Found
Message-ID: <000001c32eee$bf8f7590$7d9ffea9@reneeclyde>

Binary SpamBayes file install (in MS XP Pro) appeared smooth and without
error indication, but I find no Anti-Spam dropdown button at the right
side of Outlook?s Standard Toolbar. Neither can I find a Spambayes1.log
file. Uninstall and reinstall also appeared to operate without evident
problem, but with same result. Any ideas?

From miked at jamagination.com  Mon Jun  9 19:32:59 2003
From: miked at jamagination.com (Mike D'Ambrogia)
Date: Mon Jun  9 21:30:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Binary Installed -- No Anti-spam Dropdown Button
	foundon Outlook Std Menu -- No Log File Found
In-Reply-To: <000001c32eee$bf8f7590$7d9ffea9@reneeclyde>
Message-ID: <EFEHJKNNDELDPDNNCINOMECHDJAA.MikeD@jamagination.com>


make sure the plugin is turned on in tools-options-advanced


> Binary SpamBayes file install (in MS XP Pro) appeared smooth and without
> error indication, but I find no Anti-Spam dropdown button at the right
> side of Outlook?s Standard Toolbar. Neither can I find a Spambayes1.log
> file. Uninstall and reinstall also appeared to operate without evident
> problem, but with same result. Any ideas?


From robb-lists at helical.com  Mon Jun  9 23:34:05 2003
From: robb-lists at helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Date: Mon Jun  9 22:33:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] discard button on review web page?
Message-ID: <01789C71-9AEC-11D7-A48C-000393796B40@helical.com>

Recently started using spambayes (terrific and far more accurate than 
other spam filters I have used); but have a question: what precisely 
does the "discard" button on the "review" web page do? Does it instruct 
spambayes to automatically discard message that match its accumulated 
criteria? Or does it simply discard that selected message and drop it 
from analysis? I can't find any specific description of its function.

  --
Robb Aley Allan

robb@helical.com
robballan@minskoff.com


From robb-lists at helical.com  Mon Jun  9 23:34:05 2003
From: robb-lists at helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Date: Tue Jun 10 00:35:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] discard button on review web page?
Message-ID: <01789C71-9AEC-11D7-A48C-000393796B40@helical.com>

Recently started using spambayes (terrific and far more accurate than 
other spam filters I have used); but have a question: what precisely 
does the "discard" button on the "review" web page do? Does it instruct 
spambayes to automatically discard message that match its accumulated 
criteria? Or does it simply discard that selected message and drop it 
from analysis? I can't find any specific description of its function.

  --
Robb Aley Allan

robb@helical.com
robballan@minskoff.com


From matthew.sinclair at distra.com  Tue Jun 10 19:05:17 2003
From: matthew.sinclair at distra.com (Matthew Sinclair)
Date: Tue Jun 10 04:06:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes]  Problem installing SpamBayes-Outlook on outlook
	xp[Unable to register spambayes_addin.dll]
Message-ID: <000701c32f27$0affc470$f001a8c0@mattspc>

I noticed this thread:

<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-March/003935.html>

in relation to a problem installing SpamBayes on WinXP/OutlookXP. After
installing things trouble free on my Win2k/Office2k box at home, I have
the same problem on my work (XP) box.

Has there been any resolution of this problem yet?

Cheers,
M@



From bojanm at andersen.si  Tue Jun 10 15:01:34 2003
From: bojanm at andersen.si (bojanm)
Date: Tue Jun 10 08:02:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem registering addin
Message-ID: <000001c32f48$0a3b11e0$7b00a8c0@bojan>

Comm doesn't load. Unchecked in outlook COM Add-Ins. 
 
 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bojan\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in
dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in
GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute
'skip_max_word_size'

 


 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM!
Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter
http://mail.giantcompany.com <http://mail.giantcompany.com/> 



 
From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Jun 10 09:13:43 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Tue Jun 10 08:13:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] discard button on review web page?
In-Reply-To: <01789C71-9AEC-11D7-A48C-000393796B40@helical.com>
References: <01789C71-9AEC-11D7-A48C-000393796B40@helical.com>
Message-ID: <3EE5CB77.4030402@videotron.ca>

Hi,

> Recently started using spambayes (terrific and far more accurate than 
> other spam filters I have used); but have a question: what precisely 
> does the "discard" button on the "review" web page do? Does it 
> instruct spambayes to automatically discard message that match its 
> accumulated criteria? Or does it simply discard that selected message 
> and drop it from analysis? I can't find any specific description of 
> its function.

This is the function of the discard button:
- Erase the message from the spambayes directory and DON'T DO anything 
with it.

Usually I discard messages from the Spam and Ham list that are scored 
correctly and I train
on Unsure and misclassified messages (If this happen)

This is the function of the Defer button:
I don't know what to do with this message for now so keep it I might do
something with it later....

This is the function of the ham button:
Add this message to the database and tell the classifier that this is a 
good message.
(I think the message is deleted after.)

Remi


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 10 21:21:58 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun 10 08:57:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem installing SpamBayes-Outlook on
	outlookxp[Unable to register spambayes_addin.dll]
In-Reply-To: <000701c32f27$0affc470$f001a8c0@mattspc>
Message-ID: <00f101c32f4f$c7850010$3000a8c0@eden>

> I noticed this thread:
> 
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-March/003935.html>
> 
> in relation to a problem installing SpamBayes on 
> WinXP/OutlookXP. After
> installing things trouble free on my Win2k/Office2k box at 
> home, I have
> the same problem on my work (XP) box.
> 
> Has there been any resolution of this problem yet?

Not that I am aware of :(

Mark.


From lisamm at telecomse.com  Tue Jun 10 10:12:47 2003
From: lisamm at telecomse.com (Lisa Marie Maxson)
Date: Tue Jun 10 11:07:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not Filtering
Message-ID: <DOEMJPBDMNILLDJACLOBGENOCBAA.lisamm@telecomse.com>




I am not sure why but my messages are not being filtered out of my Inbox
even though when I look at them the spam rating is 96%.  I have filtering
turned on.  I have it filtering on my Inboxes.  I use IMAP.  Could IMAP be
the issue?   It looks like the messages are opened some of the time.

I am using Outlook 2000 SP3 on Windows 2000.

I have all of the check boxes checked for spam manager and have set up
filters for spam and unsure to folders Spam and Unsure respectively.  The
database has ~900 good messages and ~300 spam.

Also, I can not delete something as spam if it is marked as unread.  I have
to click on it.  Click on another mail and then come back to it before it
deletes using the delete as spam button.

I have attached my last 4 log.

Lisa Marie
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From gmann at spss.com  Tue Jun 10 11:52:49 2003
From: gmann at spss.com (Mann, Gerald)
Date: Tue Jun 10 12:22:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not Filtering
Message-ID: <06F4FFE29EF3454D86A2E43487DC287B010F7FE3@hqemail1.spss.com>

Remove me from this list please.



-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Marie Maxson [mailto:lisamm@telecomse.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:13 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not Filtering





I am not sure why but my messages are not being filtered out of my Inbox
even though when I look at them the spam rating is 96%.  I have filtering
turned on.  I have it filtering on my Inboxes.  I use IMAP.  Could IMAP be
the issue?   It looks like the messages are opened some of the time.

I am using Outlook 2000 SP3 on Windows 2000.

I have all of the check boxes checked for spam manager and have set up
filters for spam and unsure to folders Spam and Unsure respectively.  The
database has ~900 good messages and ~300 spam.

Also, I can not delete something as spam if it is marked as unread.  I have
to click on it.  Click on another mail and then come back to it before it
deletes using the delete as spam button.

I have attached my last 4 log.

Lisa Marie


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 13:28:07 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Jun 10 12:46:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not Filtering
In-Reply-To: <06F4FFE29EF3454D86A2E43487DC287B010F7FE3@hqemail1.spss.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHOEDLFOAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mann, Gerald]
> Remove me from this list please.

Please follow the link at the bottom of every msg you get on this list:  you
can remove yourself:

> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

Follow the instructions at the bottom, starting

    To unsubscribe from Spambayes ...


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jun 10 15:45:18 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Jun 10 15:48:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes Question
In-Reply-To: <MDENKMCDACANCGHKHINEMEPOGFAB.larry.chase@verizon.net>
References: <MDENKMCDACANCGHKHINEMEPOGFAB.larry.chase@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <16102.13646.696024.682537@montanaro.dyndns.org>


(redirecting from webmaster@python.org to spambayes@python.org)

>>>>> "Larry" == Larry Chase <larry.chase@verizon.net> writes:

    Larry> Is your python-powered SpamBayes "spam buster" program supported
    Larry> by Microsoft? 

Not that anyone's aware of yet.  If that happens someone's CD burner is
probably going to start spitting out $100 bills... ;-)

    Larry> I am shopping for spam filter programs but must make sure there
    Larry> is complete tech support, etc. as if anything happened to my
    Larry> Outlook program I would be in trouble.

Backups are your best friend.  You might also want to check out SpamAtBay,
currently in late beta test, but not quite yet released.  It's a
commercialized offshoot of the Spambayes project.  I believe
seant@webreply.com would be your best contact at the moment.

    Larry> Cordially,
    Larry> Larry Chase

    Larry> Publisher: Web Digest For Marketers http://wdfm.com
    Larry> Author: "Essential Business Tactics for the Net" - Sample chapter at
    Larry> http://LarryChase.com
    Larry> Ph: (212) 619-4780  Email: me@LarryChase.com

    Larry> See my new "Need-to-Know Marketing Sites" guide at:
    Larry> http://www.wdfm.com/n2k/FYINeedtoKnow5.htm

-- 
Skip Montanaro
skip@pobox.com
http://www.musi-cal.com/

From mark at markgadsby.com  Tue Jun 10 22:51:43 2003
From: mark at markgadsby.com (Mark Gadsby)
Date: Tue Jun 10 16:52:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plugin Error Message: "Failed to call
	the universal dispatcher"
Message-ID: <000001c32f92$1da3a360$e19f5651@MarksPC>

Hi,

I've been using the Spambayes Outlook plugin for a while now with no
problems (and I think it's great!) but just today it has stopped loading
with Outlook. When I check the Com Add-ins panel under
Tools..Options..Other..Advanced Options I am informed that SpamBayes
failed to load due to a runtime error.

The SpamBayes log contains the following:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in
dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in
GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 152, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 355, in
LoadConfig
exceptions.EOFError: 

Any ideas? I'm running the binary version and don't even have an e:
drive. I've tried deleting and reinstalling the plugin several times but
I still get the same error.

I've only been without Spambayes for a few hours and already I'm
desperate to get it back...

Thanks in advance for your help,

Mark



From Carlos_Guillermo at frost.com  Wed Jun 11 23:42:04 2003
From: Carlos_Guillermo at frost.com (Carlos Guillermo)
Date: Tue Jun 10 17:45:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lotus Notes E-mail
Message-ID: <OF1BC3B9D1.86CE1849-ON86256D41.0076F1FF@interliant.com>

Hi, Some body can tell me if spanbayes works for Lotus Notes E-mail and How
I can install using  Windows NT and Lotus Notes 5.0.3 version.

Thank you very much for you help.

CG.


From samwise at bagshot-row.org  Wed Jun 11 13:25:23 2003
From: samwise at bagshot-row.org (Peter Edwards)
Date: Wed Jun 11 07:28:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility table - SpamBayes Outlook Plugin in
	Outlook 2002 on Windows 2000 Professional SP3
Message-ID: <7497DCA1C240C042B28F6657ADFD8E0948AB95@i2km11-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net>

SpamBayes Outlook Plugin Version 002 installed into
 
Microsoft Outlook 2002 (10.4219.4219) SP-2
 
running under Windows 2000 Professional (5.00.2195) Service Pack 3
 
as missing from the table here:
 
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
 
I can confirm this setup works (altho the initial installation made the
app hang for quite a while without response - it woke up eventually) ...
 
HTH,
 
Peter.
From PaulBoege at web.de  Wed Jun 11 17:50:59 2003
From: PaulBoege at web.de (Paul Boege)
Date: Wed Jun 11 10:51:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC????? 
Message-ID: <MABBIHGFKEEAIFABKFIMGEGPCJAA.PaulBoege@web.de>

I have the same problem with plugin-installer for outlook 2000 on win2k.
Beeing logged in as administrator didnt help.

Does this mean the plugin installer doesnt work for me and I have to 
compile from source? If yes, which version is recommended?

Thanks,
Paul


> Try logging in as adminstrator (not that I understand why this would make a
> difference, but I heard a rumour...)
> 
> Mark.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Don Wyman
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 2:43 AM
> > To: 'spambayes at python.org'
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC?????
> >
> >
> > The spambayes_addin.dll will not register at installation or
> > manually on my
> > Windows 2000 pro pc.....I had it installed once, had to make
> > a change to
> > Outlook and now after uninstalling spambayes and trying to
> > reinstall it
> > again...I get a return code 0 error, will not register dll.>
> >
> > I then tried the regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll command in the sambayes
> > directory and get the following error:
> >
> > dllregisterserver in spambayes_admin.dll failed....return
> > code 0xc0000005
> >
> > removed all occurrences of spam out of the registry, did a
> > regclean, tried
> > to reinstall...still get the errors. I really would like to use this
> > utility, it was working fine at one time...now I can not get it to
> > install...Help!!
> >
> > Thanks...Don Wyman

From mgraybill at FirstChoiceusa.com  Wed Jun 11 09:55:25 2003
From: mgraybill at FirstChoiceusa.com (Michael Graybill)
Date: Wed Jun 11 10:56:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help with install
Message-ID: <9175D154EE34E14EA5904BF651496EB662696C@legolas.efirst>

Hello,

I had spambayes installed and working. Now it isnt working at all. Ive tried to reinstall and am getting this error msg.
"Unable to register DLL/OCX: Dllregister server failed; code 0x00000000.

Can you help me?

Thanks,

Michael Graybill
Network Administrator
First Choice Solutions
Direct 801 746-3199
Cell    801 560-7142


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From taylorc at accudatatech.com  Wed Jun 11 12:01:08 2003
From: taylorc at accudatatech.com (Taylor Cleghorn)
Date: Wed Jun 11 12:01:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install Failure
Message-ID: <000501c33032$ae95d960$3eb5a8c0@revcomss7.net>

I'm using the file "SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe" to install on
Outlook 2002 (XP) on a Win2K Pro machine.  The install went fine, but
the buttons do not appear in the standard toolbar.  I also have McAfee
Virus Scan Plug-In in the same spot where the SB tools should probably
be (farthest right buttons on the Standard toolbar).

 

Taylor

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed Jun 11 10:33:35 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed Jun 11 12:33:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-751348 ] Problem
	registering DLL/OCX
Message-ID: <E19Q8XX-00070n-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Support Requests item #751348, was opened at 2003-06-09 08:22
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by graystarr
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498104&aid=751348&group_id=61702

Category: Install Problem (example)
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kathy Gauvin (kmgauvin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Problem registering DLL/OCX

Initial Comment:
I got the follwoing error:

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed. 

Abort Retry Ignore

Ignore to proceed anyway(not recommended). 


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Comment By: Michael Graybill (graystarr)
Date: 2003-06-11 10:33

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=340885

I get this same error. And I c annot get it to install! Please 
help?

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Comment By: mike dee (miked_187)
Date: 2003-06-09 08:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=797254

i had this one too, outlook 2k.  had cloudmark spam program 
installed as an active plugin.  had to go to tools|options etc 
to get to the plugin screen and then uncheck the cloudmark 
program.  exit and close outlook, reinstall went fine.

mike

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From tomzshow at rcsworks.com  Wed Jun 11 15:54:42 2003
From: tomzshow at rcsworks.com (Tom Zarecki)
Date: Wed Jun 11 14:55:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] quick question about spambayes
Message-ID: <7A4E8902FE3F164D8234D45011671BC7173F90@rcsexchg.rcsworks.com>

Hello, I love your software!  I have only used it for 2 days and already
it's made a major impact on my inbox's spam levels.  I saw on someone's
computer a column which can be added to my list of emails which shows the
PERCENTAGE each email gets.  How can I add this to my inbox, it would be a
great addition, but after browsing your FAQ and web site for 10 minutes I
gave up and am writing you this note.  
 
Thanks for your help!  Again, best of luck with spambayes!
 
Tom Zarecki
Public Relations/Press
RCS New York
914.428.4600 ext 143
cell:  914.548.4948
RCS is the home of Selector(R) Music Scheduling, 
used at over 5,000 radio, TV, satellite networks 
and Internet stations worldwide.  
 
 
From hubert at attglobal.net  Wed Jun 11 19:13:13 2003
From: hubert at attglobal.net (Hubert Heller)
Date: Wed Jun 11 18:18:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug report: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Message-ID: <001c01c33066$a6dd3c20$7d01a8c0@Dell5000>

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook

Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\hubert\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'

Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\hubert\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'

Bayes database initialized with 357 spam and 2792 good messages

Loaded databases in 17.555ms

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch

File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_

File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_

File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_

File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection

File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager

File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 166, in __init__

File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 117, in __init__

File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 158, in
_GetMessageStore

pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221223, 'OLE error 0x80040119', None, None)
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 12 14:42:20 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 11 21:43:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lotus Notes E-mail
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA4C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Hi, Some body can tell me if spanbayes works for Lotus Notes 
> E-mail and How I can install using  Windows NT and Lotus 
> Notes 5.0.3 version.

There is a filter for Lotus Notes - it's in the main directory and
called notesfilter.py.  If you run "notesfilter.py -h" from a command
prompt, you'll get information about how to use it.

Note that this is probably the least developed of all the apps, and so
you should be careful about testing it before you entrust important mail
to it.  That said, I believe that Tim Stone uses it for day-to-day mail
without any troubles.

Let us know if you have any difficulties.

=Tony Meyer

From parnold at CuraGen.com  Thu Jun 12 01:41:50 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Thu Jun 12 00:41:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] quick question about spambayes
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD0229E@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

Right Click on the column header in the Inbox.
Select Field Chooser
Change the drop-down box to "User defined fields in Inbox"
Drag the spam button to the column position you wish.

You can do this in the Spam (and SpamMaybe folder in SpamatBayes)
folder(s) as well.

HTH,
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Zarecki [mailto:tomzshow@rcsworks.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:55 PM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: [Spambayes] quick question about spambayes


Hello, I love your software!  I have only used it for 2 days and already
it's made a major impact on my inbox's spam levels.  I saw on someone's
computer a column which can be added to my list of emails which shows
the PERCENTAGE each email gets.  How can I add this to my inbox, it
would be a great addition, but after browsing your FAQ and web site for
10 minutes I gave up and am writing you this note.  
 
Thanks for your help!  Again, best of luck with spambayes!
 
Tom Zarecki
Public Relations/Press
RCS New York
914.428.4600 ext 143
cell:  914.548.4948
RCS is the home of Selector(R) Music Scheduling, 
used at over 5,000 radio, TV, satellite networks 
and Internet stations worldwide.  
 
 
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 12 17:43:31 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 12 00:44:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Changing the location of the database/settings files
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA5AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm guessing this has been discussed somewhere before, but I 
> was unsuccessful in my attempt to find anything about it.  
> Currently using Outlook 2000 and Windows XP, my directory for 
> the Spambayes user files is "C:\Documents and 
> Settings\username\Application Data\SpamBayes\".  Because I 
> sometimes log in to a Terminal Server, it'd be nice to move 
> the files to a network drive.  

There's nothing explicit, but you could try:

1.  Spambayes goes by what Windows says is the best place to store data.
If you set the Windows Application Data directory to a network drive,
then Spambayes will store the data there.  This would effect many
programs, of course.

2.  If Spambayes can't use the Application Data directory then it uses
the Spambayes folder itself, which you could probably put on a network
drive.

3.  If you use the source instead of the binary installer (not all that
much harder to install, really), then you can make a change to the
source and store the data wherever you like.  You need to change the
"LocateDataDirectory" function in manager.py (line 241 in current cvs)
to simply return a full path to the directory you want.

4.  The SpamAtBay beta might offer this (I'm not sure) since it's in
line with the sort of thing that they're adding to Spambayes.  Email
Sean True (see the archives) for a beta, or asking about it.

5.  Someone else asked for this recently, so a future release might
offer this.  You can add a feature request via the sourceforge page
(http://sf.net/projects/spambayes) - requests via the list stand a
reasonable chance of being lost.

HTH.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 12 17:53:00 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 12 00:54:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] discard button on review web page?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA5B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Remi's descriptions were spot on, so just adding one thing:

> This is the function of the ham button:
> Add this message to the database and tell the classifier that 
> this is a good message.
> (I think the message is deleted after.)

If you train (via the web ui) a message as either ham or spam the
message is moved from the 'unknown' cache/directory into the ham/spam
one (and trained).

All messages in the caches - ham, spam and unknown - are expired
(deleted) after a certain amount of time.  This defaults to seven days,
but you can set it to whatever you like.

You can get hold of a message (if, for example, you realised you
mistrained it, and want to correct the training), as long as you have
enabled the 'add mail id' option, and the message hasn't expired.
Simply enter the id of the message into the 'find' box on the main page
of the ui.

HTH.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 12 17:55:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 12 00:56:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC????? 
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA5BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have the same problem with plugin-installer for outlook 
> 2000 on win2k. Being logged in as administrator didn't help.
> 
> Does this mean the plugin installer doesn't work for me and I have to 
> compile from source? If yes, which version is recommended?

That's probably what it does mean, yes.  The CVS version is the best to
use; we're inches away from a new release, anyway.  You could use the
alpha2 release that's available, but you'll be missing a reasonable
amount of improvements.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed Jun 11 23:56:34 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu Jun 12 01:56:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Feature Requests-751204 ] Recalculate spam
	% when you "delete as spam"
Message-ID: <E19QL4c-0007XO-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Feature Requests item #751204, was opened at 2003-06-09 19:36
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
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Category: None
Group: None
>Status: Closed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Dan Boccabella (swassbac)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Recalculate spam % when you "delete as spam"

Initial Comment:
I frequently go through my SPAM folder that I have set 
to autmatically filter to and sort by SPAM %.  This way I 
can take a closer look at ones it wasn't as sure about.  
Near the top there are always some that I said delete 
as spam to.  I would think those would be updated to 
100% when I click the delete as spam button.

On a related note, if I say recover as SPAM, why can't 
it set the SPAM % to 0%?

Thanks for a great product!

Dan

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-06-12 17:56

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

The "Delete as spam" button does (I believe) rescore the 
message.

The thing is that even if you train a message as ham/spam, 
that doesn't mean that it will score 0%/100%.  It should 
move closer to the correct end, but the score depends on 
how messages have been classified that include the same 
sort of tokens (features) as that message.

For example, if I trained a message as spam, and then trained 
an identical message as ham, the score should be 50% - each 
token is present in one ham message and one spam message.

There's more information (probably clearer!) on the website 
under documentation (start with the FAQ).

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From rick at singlestep.com  Thu Jun 12 15:35:07 2003
From: rick at singlestep.com (Rick Gregory)
Date: Thu Jun 12 17:35:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SSL?
Message-ID: <BB0E401B.9517%rick@singlestep.com>

I'm running A2 on OS X and pop3proxy.py works fine on my personal mailserver
which is POP without SSL. However, it doesn't like my work server which has
SSL. Does the CVS release have SSL support?


From robb-lists at helical.com  Tue Jun 10 18:24:21 2003
From: robb-lists at helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Date: Thu Jun 12 18:21:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] discard button on review web page?
In-Reply-To: <3EE5CB77.4030402@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <E70C6E40-9B89-11D7-8E2B-00039379E0E0@helical.com>


On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 08:13  AM, papaDoc wrote:

> This is the function of the discard button:
> - Erase the message from the spambayes directory and DON'T DO anything 
> with it.

Thx. But to clarify: since the message is only known to spambayes AFTER 
it has been retrieved using the POP proxy (in my case), and thus passed 
on to the MUA, this has the effect only of causing spambayes to forget 
about it internally: it obviously doesn't erase it from the user's 
system. Yes? Just checking before instructing on use.

-- 
Robb Aley Allan
robb@helical.com
robballan@minskoff.com



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 13 15:38:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:40:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] discard button on review web page?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA819@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > This is the function of the discard button:
> > - Erase the message from the spambayes directory and
> > DON'T DO anything with it.
> 
> Thx. But to clarify: since the message is only known to 
> spambayes AFTER it has been retrieved using the POP proxy
> (in my case), and thus passed on to the MUA, this has the
> effect only of causing spambayes to forget 
> about it internally: it obviously doesn't erase it from the user's 
> system. Yes? Just checking before instructing on use.

It doesn't erase it from the MUA store or the server, no.

What happens is that all messages that go through pop3proxy get saved
(into the cache directories) on the user's system.  This is a completely
separate copy from whatever the MUA decides to do with the mail (e.g.
put it in a dbx or mbox file).  *This separate copy* is what is erased
by spambayes via the discard button.

HTH.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 13 15:45:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:46:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SSL?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA81D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm running A2 on OS X and pop3proxy.py works fine on my 
> personal mailserver which is POP without SSL. However, it 
> doesn't like my work server which has SSL. Does the CVS 
> release have SSL support?

I don't believe so, no.  Open a feature request on sourceforge
(http://sf.net/projects/spambayes) and it'll get added at some point.
(It shouldn't be that difficult; I'd do it but I don't know anything
much about SSL, or have anything to test it against).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 13 16:17:25 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:18:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not Filtering
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA861@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

You're getting lots of these:
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)

Which means:
	IMAP_BAD_RESPONSE == Invalid response to request. [1]

So this is definitely something to do with IMAP.  I could be wrong, but
I don't think a lot of testing has been done with IMAP and the Outlook
plugin, and I know from experience that IMAP servers are a tricky lot.

Could you telnet to your imap server (port 143, probably), type
"CAPABILITY", and send what it has?  (including the first line that says
which version of server it is).

This should make it easier to try and reproduce the problem.

=Tony Meyer

[1] <http://www.modemhelp.net/oeerrors/oe.shtml>

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Jun 13 13:56:46 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Jun 13 12:57:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fun with Outlook 2003 Beta
Message-ID: <20030613165921.HSWI21099.imf31bis.bellsouth.net@RA>

Hi,

I thought I try to figure out why the plugin didn't work with outlook 2003
beta using the code from CVS. After putting in a lot of print statements, it
look like the only event called on the folder object was "OnActivate". So I
copied the code from one of the other event handlers to OnActivate and
commented out the "pass" (NOTE: I'm a Java and C/C++ programmer, I just
started looking into python a few days ago. So if my terminology is wrong,
forgive me).

I started outlook and, for the first time, saw the spam bayes toolbar. I
opened to config dialog. I set some options. I didn't have a suitable
"unsure" folder, so I clicked on the dialog. Created a new folder and
renamed it. Tried to open the config dialog again and outlook crashed.

I started outlook again, and it crashed. It then gives me the option of
using outlook in "Safe Mode" (who knew an email client had or needed a safe
mode). I disabled the spam bayes plugin. Restarted outlook to the same
result. To make a long story short, I had to reinstall outlook and reimport
my email and contacts. No information was lost but it's not something I want
to do 20 or 30 times while debugging this so I'll stick with the pop3 proxy.

Now the proxy works great. I'm using the windows service helper. I've only
hit the following snags...
* Outlook 2003 Beta allows the user to create rules based on the contents on
message headers, but not the header itself. Meaning I have to make a rule
that searches for "spam" in the headers instead of
"X-Spambayes-Classification: spam". This worked fine until I joined this
mailing list. It now filters all messages from this list into my spam folder
despite them being marked a ham.
* The DBs got corrupted once after I shutdown without clicking the save and
shutdown button on the web gui. I haven't reproduced it again.
* Every now and then the web gui seems to lose it's mind. The pop
conversations don't increment and there are no messages to review -- but it
still proxies and scores correctly. If I click the save and shutdown and
then restart the service, it works normally including allowing me to the
review the messages it claimed were not there on the previous run.

Thanks for reading my rambling,
Adam Walker


From don.parmentier at lmco.com  Fri Jun 13 11:48:06 2003
From: don.parmentier at lmco.com (Parmentier, Don)
Date: Fri Jun 13 13:57:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem retaining database
Message-ID: <CB005D569AAFA24997E329BB306FF890124889@EMSS01M12.us.lmco.com>


Hello,

I have set up SpamBayes on a system running Windows 2000 SP3 and Outlook
2000 SR-1.

Everything pretty much works as per the documentation, however there is one
problem:

Each time I restart Outlook, the "Database has no training information"
status comes up, and it is necessary to retrain SpamBayes so it will again
filter messages correctly.

Needless to say, it would be highly desirable to retain the training
database to it doesn't have to be rebuilt after every Outlook restart!

Am I missing a key setting in the configuration menus?  Any help would be
appreciated...

Thanks!

Don Parmentier
Sunnyvale, CA

Email: don.parmentier@lmco.com

From pdufficy at copernic.com  Fri Jun 13 15:04:59 2003
From: pdufficy at copernic.com (Patrick Dufficy)
Date: Fri Jun 13 14:05:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin error
Message-ID: <DE93EB1F03A29B4C971F7993461BFBE903F2BC7C@svr-ex1.copernic.com>

I have 10 computers that runs spambayes, but I cannot make it work on one
machine.

Here's the error message:

 

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook

Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
Settings\irivoal\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, in __init__

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
import_core_spambayes_stuff

  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook

  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport

  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, in ?

exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute
'skip_max_word_size'

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook

Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
Settings\irivoal\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, in __init__

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
import_core_spambayes_stuff

exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin 

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook

Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
Settings\irivoal\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_

  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, in __init__

  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
import_core_spambayes_stuff

exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

 

 

Thank you.

_________________________
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IT Engineer
Copernic
418-527-0528 x1237
 <mailto:pdufficy@copernic.com> pdufficy@copernic.com
 <http://www.copernic.com/> www.copernic.com

 

From carlos at eintech.com  Fri Jun 13 16:13:44 2003
From: carlos at eintech.com (Carlos Valcarcel)
Date: Fri Jun 13 18:13:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Uncaptured Python Exception
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030613151133.015f6f40@localhost>

SpamBayes was working fine for the last week or so and
suddenly I am getting the following error when the proxy
tries reading from one of my email servers:

C:\tools\spambayes-1.0a2>python pop3proxy.py
Loading database... Done.
Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.valcarcel.com:110
Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.eintech.com:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader c
onnected at 0x112f8c8> (exceptions.EOFError: 
[c:\tools\Python23\lib\asyncore.py|
read|69] [c:\tools\Python23\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|387] 
[c:\tools\Pyt
hon23\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|136] [pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|199] 
[pop3
proxy.py|onServerLine|267] [pop3proxy.py|onResponse|341] 
[pop3proxy.py|onTransac
tion|437] [pop3proxy.py|onRetr|484] 
[C:\tools\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\classifi
er.py|chi2_spamprob|217] 
[C:\tools\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\classifier.py|_getc
lues|437] [C:\tools\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\storage.py|_wordinfoget|192] 
[c:\t
ools\Python23\lib\shelve.py|get|111] 
[c:\tools\Python23\lib\shelve.py|__getitem_
_|119])

It chokes on any incoming email from mail.eintech.com.

Also, when I list more than 2 mail servers the proxy does not
work.  It complains about an unmatched server/port pair, but
there is a port for each server listed.

Carlos

Carlos Valcarcel              Voice:  1-516-983-9916
EinTech, Inc.                 Email:  carlos@eintech.com
From rtalber at pacbell.net  Fri Jun 13 18:22:38 2003
From: rtalber at pacbell.net (Rick Alber)
Date: Fri Jun 13 20:22:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug Report
Message-ID: <000001c3320b$0fbd7750$0200a8c0@rick>

Clicking on the "report a bug" link doesn't do anything, so I'll try to
report this bug here.

When I try to load the Spambayes Outlook addin to my copy of Outlook XP
running on Windows XP, I get the following error message:

C:\Program Files\SpambayesOutlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the
DLL/OCX:DllregisterServerfailed;
  Code 0X00000000


Here's my log file:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 60, in ?
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\gencache.py", line 368, in
EnsureModule
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147312566, 'Error loading type library/DLL.',
None, None)
SystemError: PyErr_NormalizeException() called without exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 11, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutlookAddin'
SystemError: PyErr_NormalizeException() called without exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 11, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutlookAddin'

Can anybody advise me what I need to do to add Spambayes to my system?

Thank you.

---------- Rick Alber
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Jun 14 13:45:45 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Jun 13 22:47:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fun with Outlook 2003 Beta
In-Reply-To: <20030613165921.HSWI21099.imf31bis.bellsouth.net@RA>
Message-ID: <02e501c3321f$0e931100$530f8490@eden>

> I thought I try to figure out why the plugin didn't work with
> outlook 2003
> beta using the code from CVS. After putting in a lot of print
> statements, it
> look like the only event called on the folder object was
> "OnActivate". So I
> copied the code from one of the other event handlers to OnActivate and
> commented out the "pass" (NOTE: I'm a Java and C/C++
> programmer, I just
> started looking into python a few days ago. So if my
> terminology is wrong,
> forgive me).
>
> I started outlook and, for the first time, saw the spam bayes
> toolbar. I
> opened to config dialog. I set some options. I didn't have a suitable
> "unsure" folder, so I clicked on the dialog. Created a new folder and
> renamed it. Tried to open the config dialog again and outlook crashed.

I've got this far myself (but only days ago, and haven't checked that in
yet.)  Sean True has some ideas about why the AutoComplete fails - it is to
do with the dialogs - and if we are extremely lucky it will be the same
problem.

> result. To make a long story short, I had to reinstall
> outlook and reimport
> my email and contacts. No information was lost but it's not
> something I want
> to do 20 or 30 times while debugging this so I'll stick with
> the pop3 proxy.

Sheesh :(  I would be sticking with pop3proxy too ;)  You don't happen to
have MSVC hanging around, do you? <wink>

> Now the proxy works great. I'm using the windows service
> helper. I've only
> hit the following snags...
> * Outlook 2003 Beta allows the user to create rules based on
> the contents on
> message headers, but not the header itself. Meaning I have to
> make a rule
> that searches for "spam" in the headers instead of
> "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam". This worked fine until I
> joined this
> mailing list. It now filters all messages from this list into
> my spam folder
> despite them being marked a ham.

I'd suggest you are a pop3proxy feature request, or look into its existing
options - eg, the Outlook Express options for header mangling may suit.

> * The DBs got corrupted once after I shutdown without
> clicking the save and
> shutdown button on the web gui. I haven't reproduced it again.

This is probably a service related bug.  The service should shutdown the
pop3proxy server, but I don't know how :)  Now the service just terminates,
which could be nasty if the server is writing the DB at the time.

A bug on this would be great too, but it will need to be assigned to someone
who can tell me how to shut down the server internally :)

> * Every now and then the web gui seems to lose it's mind. The pop
> conversations don't increment and there are no messages to
> review -- but it
> still proxies and scores correctly. If I click the save and
> shutdown and
> then restart the service, it works normally including
> allowing me to the
> review the messages it claimed were not there on the previous run.

If this happens often enough, then try running the service in "debug" mode
(pop3proxy_service --debug).  You may notice an exception or other warning
as this starts happening.  Also, it may be worth checking the event log for
messages from the service - these would help diagnose the problem.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Jun 14 14:10:01 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Jun 13 23:10:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem retaining database
In-Reply-To: <CB005D569AAFA24997E329BB306FF890124889@EMSS01M12.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <02ec01c33222$721a02d0$530f8490@eden>

It seems we don't shutdown correctly when Outlook is closed via the PC
itself shutting down.  The solution seems to be to setup and train
spambayes, then close Outlook (using "Exit and Logoff" from Outlook's "File"
menu, if available).  Ensure Outlook.exe has terminated (via the task
manager).  Then restart - everything should be fine.

The next version will fix this and a number of other issues.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Parmentier, Don
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 3:48 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Problem retaining database
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have set up SpamBayes on a system running Windows 2000 SP3
> and Outlook
> 2000 SR-1.
>
> Everything pretty much works as per the documentation,
> however there is one
> problem:
>
> Each time I restart Outlook, the "Database has no training
> information"
> status comes up, and it is necessary to retrain SpamBayes so
> it will again
> filter messages correctly.
>
> Needless to say, it would be highly desirable to retain the training
> database to it doesn't have to be rebuilt after every Outlook restart!
>
> Am I missing a key setting in the configuration menus?  Any
> help would be
> appreciated...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don Parmentier
> Sunnyvale, CA
>
> Email: don.parmentier@lmco.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From jmcg2 at cox.net  Sat Jun 14 18:23:19 2003
From: jmcg2 at cox.net (James McGuire)
Date: Sat Jun 14 17:23:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express 
Message-ID: <005901c332bb$2d977680$1f02a8c0@g400j>

Please let me know if, or when, your program will work with Outlook Express V6.
Thank you.

James McGuire
From bill at parducci.net  Sat Jun 14 16:11:02 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Sat Jun 14 18:11:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
References: <005901c332bb$2d977680$1f02a8c0@g400j>
Message-ID: <3EEB9D76.7000207@parducci.net>

at the moment the ball is pretty much in microsoft's court:

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express

b

James McGuire wrote:
> Please let me know if, or when, your program will work with Outlook Express V6.
> Thank you.
> 
> James McGuire
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



From ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi  Sun Jun 15 02:39:23 2003
From: ilkka.tengvall at iki.fi (Ilkka Tengvall)
Date: Sat Jun 14 18:41:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug? pop3proxy does not cache messages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306060804030.9086-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306150112290.26403-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I get no messages into cache dirs, pop3proxy-spam-cache, 
pop3proxy-ham-cache and pop3proxy-unknown-cache. This prevents pop3proxy 
to list anything on "Review Messages" -page, or SMTP proxy to work.

Actually this was already a topic and Tony Meyer and Francois Granger 
already kindly helped to figure out the problem that far. Is there anyone 
willing to debug this further? I could do some testing if someone tells me
what to do. I've never done python, but I can use editor to apply your 
patches and test them... :)

I'm now using the latest CVS, works nice otherwise. OS is RH9 linux with 
python-2.2.2-26. I could send all my settings and "print 
options.display()" -results to someone to start with. 

 -it


From SIBRAHIM at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 15 01:48:19 2003
From: SIBRAHIM at earthlink.net (Samer Ibrahim)
Date: Sun Jun 15 00:49:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Next build
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA1HnYZi3UC0uWMpweXAiTYcKAAAAQAAAAepBtQRvfwUSmho5UVGipEQEAAAAA@earthlink.net>

Hello,

I was looking to download your latest build of SpamBayes for Windows but
then I saw this:


Notes


1.	As of this writing, the last release (1.0a2) is getting rather
long-in-the-tooth. You're probably better off either waiting for the next
alpha release or downloading the code from the CVS repository
<https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=61702> . 

When are you planning your next release?

Thanks

Sam

 

Samer Ibrahim

http://weblogs.asp.net/SIbrahim

 

From underwood.jeffrey at verizon.net  Sun Jun 15 20:08:43 2003
From: underwood.jeffrey at verizon.net (Jeffrey Underwood)
Date: Sun Jun 15 19:06:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] hello
Message-ID: <000501c33393$11bcc9a0$0200a8c0@dslverizon.net>

I could not make heads or tails of what the hell you were talking about but
it sounded as though the program SpamBayes is "a good thing".  could you
help me with which one to download? I use windows me with plenty of ram/hard
drive.
thanks,
Jeffrey U


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 16 14:34:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 15 21:34:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fun with Outlook 2003 Beta
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E02F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Apart from Mark's suggestions:

> * Outlook 2003 Beta allows the user to create rules based on 
> the contents on message headers, but not the header itself. 
> Meaning I have to make a rule that searches for "spam" in the 
> headers instead of
> "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam". This worked fine until I 
> joined this mailing list. It now filters all messages from 
> this list into my spam folder despite them being marked a ham.

Can you not have the rule search for "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam"?

As an alternative, you can set these options:
[Headers]
header_spam_string: spam
header_ham_string: ham
header_unsure_string: unsure

If you changed them to, for example, somethingunique-spam,
somethingunique-ham and somethingunique-unsure, then you could base the
rule on that.  Everything should still work the same.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 16 14:37:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 15 21:37:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E034@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > Please let me know if, or when, your program will work with Outlook 
> > Express V6. Thank you.
> at the moment the ball is pretty much in microsoft's court:
> 
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-
> with-outlook-express

The FAQ does have all the answers, but the ball isn't totally with
Microsoft.  Realistically, it's unlikely that OE will ever get the
features that other MUAs like Outlook have (it is free, after all), so
help is unlikely to come from there.

As the FAQ says, Spambayes is completely usable with Spambayes at the
moment; it's just not as transparent.  I am working on a[nother]
possible solution to this at the moment (details on the -dev list).
I'll post here/-announce when something is ready to try.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 16 14:41:52 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 15 21:42:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] hello
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E03B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I could not make heads or tails of what the hell you were 
> talking about but it sounded as though the program SpamBayes 
> is "a good thing".  could you help me with which one to 
> download? I use windows me with plenty of ram/hard drive. 

Try reading the documentation on the website.  If something there isn't
clear, please let us know exactly what it is that isn't clear.

As a rough guide:
  * If you use Microsoft Outlook (not Outlook Express), you should
download the installer for the Outlook plugin.
  * Otherwise, you're probably best off with the alpha2 release.
Exactly which application you need to use depends on your mail setup,
but pop3proxy is the most likely.

=Tony Meyer

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Mon Jun 16 01:07:51 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Mon Jun 16 00:08:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fun with Outlook 2003 Beta
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E02F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030616041032.QEQM27137.imf33bis.bellsouth.net@RA>

Searching for "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam" works sometimes but fails
%40 of the time. Searching for "spam" in the headers works %100. Outlook's
rules are quirky.
I'll try the ini changes, but I hit on something else, I created a rule to
search for the word "ham" in the headers and stop processing if found
otherwise it continues to the other rules.

It response to Mark's comments, I've had the proxy service running for three
days now without any weird behavior. <shrugs>. And yes, I have MS Visual
Studio .NET, but it's not installed on this machine currently.

-Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:34 PM
To: Adam Walker; spambayes@python.org

Apart from Mark's suggestions:

> * Outlook 2003 Beta allows the user to create rules based on 
> the contents on message headers, but not the header itself. 
> Meaning I have to make a rule that searches for "spam" in the 
> headers instead of
> "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam". This worked fine until I 
> joined this mailing list. It now filters all messages from 
> this list into my spam folder despite them being marked a ham.

Can you not have the rule search for "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam"?

As an alternative, you can set these options:
[Headers]
header_spam_string: spam
header_ham_string: ham
header_unsure_string: unsure

If you changed them to, for example, somethingunique-spam,
somethingunique-ham and somethingunique-unsure, then you could base the
rule on that.  Everything should still work the same.

=Tony Meyer


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Jun 16 16:10:23 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun 16 01:11:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Changes to Outlook addin configuration files
Message-ID: <000c01c333c5$97dad220$530f8490@eden>

Hi all,
  I made some significant changes to the Outlook addin, particularly related
to configuration files.  Options are no longer stored in a "pickle", but in
an INI file that could be edited by a human.  Your old configuration *is*
migrated to the new format.

This is very cool as it allows us to support options before we have a UI for
it.  A first such option is a "data_directory", which would allow site
administrators to specify a different per-user directory.  Some other
options are likely to appear soon.

Source-code users will note the creation of "unknown_profile.ini" - this is
because released win32alls currently can not determine the Outlook profile
name. When it can, this file will magically be renamed to the correct
profile name. The next binary release will know the profile name
immediately, so will never see "unknown_profile.ini".  (This is used so
SpamBayes can eventually be used with multiple profiles - currently it fails
pretty badly)

I have tried to test this fairly well, but things manage to go wrong.  Next
time you update from CVS, please have a look at your configuration (ie,
folders to watch, etc).  If it all looks fine, then great :)  If it doesn't,
please look in the log for any errors.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 16 18:37:12 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 16 01:37:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Changes to Outlook addin configuration files
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have tried to test this fairly well, but things manage to 
> go wrong.  Next time you update from CVS, please have a look 
> at your configuration (ie, folders to watch, etc).  If it all 
> looks fine, then great :)  If it doesn't, please look in the 
> log for any errors.

Sorry, Mark, I had errors.  Long trace below.  The two folders that
didn't move are both on an Exchange server (the spam folder is not, and
migrated fine), which may be the cause.  Oddly, I only had to reset the
watch folder, even though the watch folder and the unsure folder are
errors in the trace.

Everything else seemed to migrate fine (but then I don't pay much
attention to other settings anyway!).

=Tony Meyer

Migrating old pickle 'C:\Documents and
Settings\tameyer.MASSEY\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
 migrating section 'filter'
Attempted to set [Filter] watch_folder_ids with invalid value
[(u'0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C20000454D534D44422E444C4C0000
0000000000001B55FA20AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0C0000004954532D584348473400
2F6F3D4D617373657920556E69766572736974792F6F753D4D41535345592F636E3D5265
63697069656E74732F636E3D542E412E4D6579657200',
u'000000002CFF45187C119D4295E615A8AD7B7676010098B01D2717B9D411B38F0008C7
84093100000A46D7970000')] (<type 'list'>)
 migrating section 'filter_now'
 migrating section 'training'
 migrating section 'field_score_name'
pickle migration doing initial configuration save
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and
Settings\tameyer.MASSEY\Application Data\SpamBayes\unknown_profile.ini
pickle migration removing 'C:\Documents and
Settings\tameyer.MASSEY\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\tameyer.MASSEY\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\tameyer.MASSEY\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 907 spam and 309 good messages
Loaded databases in 2.10893ms
SpamBayes Outlook Addin Beta1, version 0.3 (June 2003) starting (with
engine SpamBayes Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003))...
ERROR: It appears there was an error loading your configuration

Please re-configure SpamBayes via the SpamBayes dropdown
None
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
Attempted to set [Filter] spam_folder_id with invalid value
('0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200006D737073742E646C6C00000000
004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000443A5C4D61696C5C506844312E70737400',
'0000000094E2B3E595D36E4AACA93A6D1075DD8E22830000') (<type 'tuple'>)
Attempted to set [Filter] unsure_folder_id with invalid value
('0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C20000454D534D44422E444C4C000000
00000000001B55FA20AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0C0000004954532D5843484734002F
6F3D4D617373657920556E69766572736974792F6F753D4D41535345592F636E3D526563
697069656E74732F636E3D542E412E4D6579657200',
'000000002CFF45187C119D4295E615A8AD7B7676010098B01D2717B9D411B38F0008C78
40931000010DF96B20000') (<type 'tuple'>)

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 16 18:50:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 16 01:51:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Changes to Outlook addin configuration files
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E17A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>   I made some significant changes to the Outlook addin, 
> particularly related to configuration files.  Options are no 
> longer stored in a "pickle", but in an INI file that could be 
> edited by a human.  Your old configuration *is* migrated to 
> the new format.

Am I right in thinking that the two ini files are very separate?  i.e.
you shouldn't hand-edit any Outlook options into the old ini file, and
shouldn't put any 'core' options in the Outlook ini file?

Do you plan to rename the old ini file so that it's also based on the
profile?

(Nice work, BTW :)  Hope the options stuff wasn't too hard to work
through; I tried to keep Outlook in mind when doing it, but I didn't
really know what you wanted).

=Tony Meyer

From ed.seguin at hhbarnum.com  Mon Jun 16 09:52:22 2003
From: ed.seguin at hhbarnum.com (Seguin, Ed)
Date: Mon Jun 16 08:53:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Windows 98
Message-ID: <7348F18462FEE4439AAE544A994B0B4001325BCC@e-mail.hhbarnum.com>

I am having trouble getting it to run on a PC with Windows 98.  I went into
the Tools/Options/etc and looked at Spambayes, it was not checked.  I
checked it and re-booted, it didn't work.  I went back into the
Tools/Options menu, and it was unchecked again.  I checked it, closed the
dialogue box, and then re-opened it, and it was again unchecked.  It appears
that it will not stay checked as soon as you click 'ok' to close the box.  

I have your software on my home PC with XP, and it works flawlessly.  Any
help for 98 machines would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Ed Seguin
H.H. Barnum Company
www.hhbarnum.com 
Phone: 248-446-4773
e-Fax: 248-446-2241
Nextel 734-260-2357
email: ed.seguin@hhbarnum.com 

From bryan at justiceseekers.com  Mon Jun 16 10:07:30 2003
From: bryan at justiceseekers.com (Bryan Marshall)
Date: Mon Jun 16 10:12:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Spambayes
Message-ID: <90996FD9A04E3D4A9F7C53E1EC0056B127216C@exchange.justiceseekers.com>

For those of us who are less computer-literate, what does this mean?:
 
Once you've downloaded and unpacked the source archive, do the regular setup.py build; setup.py install dance
 
I cut and paste this language from your download page.  I'm trying to install Spambayes, but I don't know what the above language means.  Please advise.
 
Thanks,

Bryan Marshall 


 
From mkorchia at free.fr  Mon Jun 16 18:14:19 2003
From: mkorchia at free.fr (Michael Korchia)
Date: Mon Jun 16 11:14:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] plugin doesn't work
Message-ID: <000001c33422$5781e990$eccf273e@MOUJIK>

hi
i have win xp french, & office (including outlook) US
i installed the exe file
no icon!
i tried inbox/tools, etc... 
the SpamBayes addin is listed but not checked
also, at the bottom of the windows, it says that the addin doesn't load
i checked the addin... started again outllok, nothing!
i went back to inbox/tools, etc
the doesn't load information is not here anymore, but the addin button
isn't checked
i cheked one more time, started again, etc
nothng new

thx for your help ;-)

__^o^__
Michael Korchia michael.korchia@bordeaux-bs.edu
Professeur de marketing
www.watoowatoo.net


From BBraxton at vts.edu  Mon Jun 16 16:11:35 2003
From: BBraxton at vts.edu (Braxton, Bob)
Date: Mon Jun 16 15:07:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Windows 98
Message-ID: <703855451591D311ABD7009027DE7DF1035464D4@ASPINWALL>


Do you (your organization) use Group "Policies" or TweakUI to limit what can
be done?

Robert Braxton


-----Original Message-----
From: Seguin, Ed [mailto:ed.seguin@hhbarnum.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:52 AM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Cc: Myers, Steven
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Windows 98


I am having trouble getting it to run on a PC with Windows 98.  I went into
the Tools/Options/etc and looked at Spambayes, it was not checked.  I
checked it and re-booted, it didn't work.  I went back into the
Tools/Options menu, and it was unchecked again.  I checked it, closed the
dialogue box, and then re-opened it, and it was again unchecked.  It appears
that it will not stay checked as soon as you click 'ok' to close the box.  

I have your software on my home PC with XP, and it works flawlessly.  Any
help for 98 machines would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Ed Seguin
H.H. Barnum Company
www.hhbarnum.com 
Phone: 248-446-4773
e-Fax: 248-446-2241
Nextel 734-260-2357
email: ed.seguin@hhbarnum.com 

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From cathyh at bitbetter.com  Mon Jun 16 19:00:18 2003
From: cathyh at bitbetter.com (Cathy Belleville)
Date: Mon Jun 16 20:57:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] You guys are great.
Message-ID: <000001c3346b$d5753840$0300a8c0@Brain4>

To the SpamBayes team:

 

I get about 100 pieces of spam a day, so after returning from 12 days
vacation I thought it might be a good time to try out your product.  I
downloaded it, printed out the About file, followed the instructions,
and I gotta say, it's working GREAT.  I had the good fortune to be able
to train it with a spam file of about 600 messages and an inbox of about
150.  After that, it hasn't missed once.  It's put a few messages in the
possible spam folder, but they've all been spam.  

 

I was really skeptical about any product's ability to help me, so I am
VERY impressed.  THANK YOU  to everyone who has worked on the project-it
is the next best thing since email!

 

Cathy Belleville

 

A Bit Better Corporation

444 First Street, Suite B, Los Altos CA 94022

ph: 650-948-4766

fax: 650-948-4903

cathyh@bitbetter.com

www.bitbetter.com

 

From cjiii at pacbell.net  Tue Jun 17 00:15:17 2003
From: cjiii at pacbell.net (Carl Jones)
Date: Tue Jun 17 02:15:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] html checking
Message-ID: <001801c33497$d2f714e0$6401a8c0@DELL>

Instead of ignoring html completely, how about checking for invalid html tags and having that be an indicator for spam?
More and more spam that I receive now has invalid html tags imbedded in the "keywords" to make them invisible to scanners: pen<qwerty>is or via<hxpyqz>gra
They are "discarded" and the message appears normally.
  -carl

**********************************************************************************************************************
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
********************************************************************************************************************** 
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 17 19:22:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 17 02:22:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] html checking
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E49E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Instead of ignoring html completely, how about checking for 
> invalid html tags and having that be an indicator for spam? 
> More and more spam that I receive now has invalid html tags 
> imbedded in the "keywords" to make them invisible to 
> scanners: pen<qwerty>is or via<hxpyqz>gra They are 
> "discarded" and the message appears normally.

The latest cvs (not alpha2 or the current Outlook binary) would change
these to "penis" and "viagra", respectively.  This means that they are
no longer hidden and the message is appropriately scored.

If messages are still being incorrectly classified, then you could
easily enough make the modifications to additionally create a new token
(although you would either need to generate a token for any html tag, or
have a list of valid ones).  It seems unlikely that that would be the
case, however.

Feel free to give it a go yourself though, if you are programmatically
minded.  If you post a patch, others will (may) run tests as well and
contribute their results.  If it turns out that this does have an impact
on classification results, then it would be added to the core code.

If you're not programmatically minded, then you have a much harder task!
You need to convince someone that is that they should do the above.  The
easiest way (unless someone else responds to this) is to open up a
feature request via the sf system (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes).
Note that you'll have to convince people that it may make a difference,
though.

=Tony Meyer

From PaulBoege at web.de  Tue Jun 17 15:28:32 2003
From: PaulBoege at web.de (Paul Boege)
Date: Tue Jun 17 08:29:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Works wonderful!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301EEA5BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <MABBIHGFKEEAIFABKFIMOEIGCJAA.PaulBoege@web.de>

Hi,

its great, I got the outlook plugin to run as soon as I turned to the 
CVS version. And it was easy!
Maybe someone is interested in the steps I took for Win2k, Outlook2k:

- get the CVS source: using 'Tortoise CVS' checked out the modules
  'CVSROOT' and 'Spambayes'
- installed python 2.2.3 and win32all-152
- double clicked 'addin.py' in the 'Spambayes/Outlook2000' source 
  directory.

Then starting outlook the spambayes addin was in the taskbar. I configured
the folders 'spam' and 'unsure' with the menu 'Anti Spam Manager'. I
already had collected some spam from the previous days, so I could start
training with the 'spam' and 'inbox' folder right away.

And since then it is working wonderful! 

And it is interesting: Now I am looking curious at new spam messages 
and their 'spam rating percentage' instead of being annoyed and 
moving/deleting them manually.

Thanks for your work on this.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:55 AM
> To: Paul Boege; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC????? 
> 
> 
> > I have the same problem with plugin-installer for outlook 
> > 2000 on win2k. Being logged in as administrator didn't help.
> > 
> > Does this mean the plugin installer doesn't work for me and I have to 
> > compile from source? If yes, which version is recommended?
> 
> That's probably what it does mean, yes.  The CVS version is the best to
> use; we're inches away from a new release, anyway.  You could use the
> alpha2 release that's available, but you'll be missing a reasonable
> amount of improvements.
> 
> =Tony Meyer

From wloving at fe-works.com  Tue Jun 17 10:04:35 2003
From: wloving at fe-works.com (Will Loving)
Date: Tue Jun 17 09:05:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes: Bug: Outlook 2003 BETA 2
Message-ID: <22676CDC96B7F441BBC292C411B77EF446CF5F@iworks06.fe-works.com>

I saw your message on the SpamBayes mailing list.  Any ideas on how to
get the SpamBayes plugin to work in Outlook 2003?  Have you installed
Python and the CVS code and pulled a trace?
 
Thanks.
 
Will Loving
wloving@ironworks-consulting.com

From gale.dunahoo at eci-equity.com  Tue Jun 17 16:10:39 2003
From: gale.dunahoo at eci-equity.com (Gale Dunahoo)
Date: Tue Jun 17 16:11:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
Message-ID: <DE76B8277E94C14F9054E28416C6AE876427D6@eci01>

I am very happy with your product!  Congrats on a job well done!
 
I have a question I would like to ask though - do I need to keep my Spam mail in the directory marked for Spam in order for it to work - or can I delete the messages at some point?
 
Thanks
Gale

Gale Dunahoo 

ECI 
302 S. Locust 
Glenwood, IA 51534 
E-mail  gale.dunahoo@eci-equity.com 
Web Site  www.eci-equity.com 
Phone 800-264-0787  x205 
Fax    712-527-4856 

 
From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jun 17 16:18:42 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Jun 17 16:18:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
In-Reply-To: <DE76B8277E94C14F9054E28416C6AE876427D6@eci01>
References: <DE76B8277E94C14F9054E28416C6AE876427D6@eci01>
Message-ID: <16111.30626.156290.401790@montanaro.dyndns.org>


Gale,

Glad you like Spambayes.  Lots of us do.

    Gale> ... do I need to keep my Spam mail in the directory marked for
    Gale> Spam in order for it to work - or can I delete the messages at
    Gale> some point?

You can delete those messages, but if you decide to retrain from scratch at
some point, you'll have to start with a figurative clean sheet of paper.  I
understand that retaining mountains of spam is a bit problematic.  An
intermediate option might be to periodically sort your spam folder by
received date and delete the oldest 90% or so.  That way your spam folder
remains at a reasonable size and if you have to retrain from scratch you
have some recent spam to jump start the classifier.

Skip


From eric at benefitservicesgroup.com  Tue Jun 17 17:47:42 2003
From: eric at benefitservicesgroup.com (Eric C. Vogel)
Date: Tue Jun 17 16:44:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
Message-ID: <D35834BE343E3E46BA58E73BF60777CB22DFA5@bsg.bsg.local>

For me I find the sorting to by so so, still get a lot of spam in the
inbox. Seems 90% still do not get caught.




-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On Behalf Of Skip Montanaro
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:19 PM
To: Gale Dunahoo
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] very impressed....



Gale,

Glad you like Spambayes.  Lots of us do.

    Gale> ... do I need to keep my Spam mail in the directory marked for
    Gale> Spam in order for it to work - or can I delete the messages at
    Gale> some point?

You can delete those messages, but if you decide to retrain from scratch
at some point, you'll have to start with a figurative clean sheet of
paper.  I understand that retaining mountains of spam is a bit
problematic.  An intermediate option might be to periodically sort your
spam folder by received date and delete the oldest 90% or so.  That way
your spam folder remains at a reasonable size and if you have to retrain
from scratch you have some recent spam to jump start the classifier.

Skip


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From DAndrews at Yantra.com  Tue Jun 17 17:55:15 2003
From: DAndrews at Yantra.com (Don Andrews)
Date: Tue Jun 17 16:55:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
Message-ID: <B9BF9321CC254844B0A7D7252D0145DF0BD109@PONYEXPRESS.yantra.com>

I am amazed with your results.  I have been running the application for
over a month now and it virtually captures every spam coming to me.
Something like 400 per day.  I followed the install and
teaching/learning instructions exactly after moving a couple of day's
worth of SPAM to my SPAM folder then ran the learn feature.  Now I just
sit back and watch the junk count up in my SPAM folder. 

I get about 3 or 4 a day which are unsure and upon reviewing them I can
understand the rating of Unsure since they could go either way.

Absolutely outstanding application... And I have tested a number of
them.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric C. Vogel [mailto:eric@benefitservicesgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:48 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] very impressed....


For me I find the sorting to by so so, still get a lot of spam in the
inbox. Seems 90% still do not get caught.




-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On Behalf Of Skip Montanaro
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:19 PM
To: Gale Dunahoo
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] very impressed....



Gale,

Glad you like Spambayes.  Lots of us do.

    Gale> ... do I need to keep my Spam mail in the directory marked for
    Gale> Spam in order for it to work - or can I delete the messages at
    Gale> some point?

You can delete those messages, but if you decide to retrain from scratch
at some point, you'll have to start with a figurative clean sheet of
paper.  I understand that retaining mountains of spam is a bit
problematic.  An intermediate option might be to periodically sort your
spam folder by received date and delete the oldest 90% or so.  That way
your spam folder remains at a reasonable size and if you have to retrain
from scratch you have some recent spam to jump start the classifier.

Skip


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

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Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jun 17 16:57:33 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Jun 17 16:57:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
In-Reply-To: <D35834BE343E3E46BA58E73BF60777CB22DFA5@bsg.bsg.local>
References: <D35834BE343E3E46BA58E73BF60777CB22DFA5@bsg.bsg.local>
Message-ID: <16111.32957.794532.711364@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Eric> For me I find the sorting to by so so, still get a lot of spam in
    Eric> the inbox. Seems 90% still do not get caught.

Spambayes should very quickly start scoring well.  If that's not the case,
maybe you have something misconfigured.  How many spams and hams have you
trained on?  Are you training on the mistakes and those that wind up in the
unsure folder?  What do you have your spam and ham thresholds set to?

Skip

From seant at webreply.com  Tue Jun 17 19:29:19 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Tue Jun 17 18:29:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Significant beta: Beta Candidate 11.1 of SpamAtBay
Message-ID: <002501c3351f$e4e3d2a0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

For the new people on the list: SpamAtBay is a soon to be available
commercial version of the Spambayes addin for Outlook. Any reader of this
list who would like to beta test for us is welcome to a permanent license --
and anyone who is a SpamBayes developer can have the license without
anything other just asking. In either case, just e-mail me.

Brief history: I wrote the first, really, really bad integration with
Outlook, using VBA and a Python COM server. Mark Hammond thought the idea
was neat, but that the execution was, err, flawed, and pretty much rewrote
it from scratch. Over the last few weeks, I've had a team of several people
working on polishing, layout, docs, QA, and (gag) marketing oriented
features. We're going to release a supported version sometime soon.

We're focusing on Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric.

Supported systems: Win98SE, ME, NT 4, Win2K, XP; Outlook 2000/2002/XP. 
Not supported: Win95; Outlook Express.

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 11.1 (0.99.2)

Focused on: Exchange compatibility, subtle UI fixes.

Changes:

1) Significantly more reliable install on Exchange based Outlook clients. We
finally got our Exchange server up, reproduced the major problem, and fixed
it.
2) Multiple explorers were previously accompanied my multiple copies of
dialogs.
3) The autocomplete of email address bug under OL 2002 is fixed (nearly).
Required replacing MFC based dialogs in many places.

If you want to help with this late stage beta testing, please send me mail.

-- Sean


From tim at zope.com  Tue Jun 17 21:11:04 2003
From: tim at zope.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Jun 17 20:11:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
In-Reply-To: <B9BF9321CC254844B0A7D7252D0145DF0BD109@PONYEXPRESS.yantra.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEIOEKAB.tim@zope.com>

[Eric C. Vogel]
> For me I find the sorting to by so so, still get a lot of spam in the
> inbox. Seems 90% still do not get caught.

That's terrible performance.  You should post more about which version of
the software you're using, how you trained it, etc -- something is screwed
up.

[Don Andrews]
> I am amazed with your results.  I have been running the application
> for over a month now and it virtually captures every spam coming to
> me. Something like 400 per day.  I followed the install and
> teaching/learning instructions exactly after moving a couple of day's
> worth of SPAM to my SPAM folder then ran the learn feature.  Now I
> just sit back and watch the junk count up in my SPAM folder.
>
> I get about 3 or 4 a day which are unsure and upon reviewing them I
> can understand the rating of Unsure since they could go either way.

OTOH, that's suspiciously good performance <wink>.  An Unsure rate of under
1% isn't unheard of, but has rarely been seen in personal email.  I got
rates that low in the early days, testing on a corpus of tech mailing-list
msgs.  No "commercial" email of any kind counted as ham on that list, so the
job was much easier than sorting out my own email (which includes lots of
ham from, e.g., online merchants and financial institutions, much of which
is trying to sell me something).  Whatever you're doing, keep doing it!

> Absolutely outstanding application... And I have tested a number of
> them.

Believe it or not, it's more the result of sweat than of magic.  The March
issue of "Linux Journal" has an article by Gary Robinson about the
mathematical underpinnings of this project, and Richie Hindle has another
article there about the deployment aspects.  It's easy when you know the
tricks <wink>.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Jun 18 13:40:01 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 17 20:40:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E5FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> For those of us who are less computer-literate, what does this mean?:
>  
> Once you've downloaded and unpacked the source archive, do 
> the regular setup.py build; setup.py install dance

It means that you should (in a terminal window) go to the directory that
you unpacked the archive into and execute the command:
    setup.py build
And then:
    setup.py install

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Jun 18 13:49:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 17 20:50:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Next build
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E60B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When are you planning your next release?

Unless something goes wrong, this Friday.  You may wish to subscribe to
the (relatively new) announce list; a message will be posted there with
details about this (and future) releases.

<http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/spambayes-announce>

(Note that this will be a source code release.  This is not a release of
a new Outlook plugin binary, which is still "coming soon").

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jun 17 22:40:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:41:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEIOEKAB.tim@zope.com>
References: <B9BF9321CC254844B0A7D7252D0145DF0BD109@PONYEXPRESS.yantra.com>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEIOEKAB.tim@zope.com>
Message-ID: <16111.53552.88041.690427@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> [Don Andrews]
    >> I get about 3 or 4 a day which are unsure and upon reviewing them I
    >> can understand the rating of Unsure since they could go either way.

    Tim> OTOH, that's suspiciously good performance <wink>.  An Unsure rate
    Tim> of under 1% isn't unheard of, but has rarely been seen in personal
    Tim> email.

On June 4th I cvs up'd to get Tim's latest tokenizer improvements and
retrained on my full corpus.  Here's how Spambayes has classified all my
mail since then:

    ham             8125        59%
    spam            5561        40%
    unsure           163         1%

My spam load is actually somewhat higher than that, but I have other filters
which eliminate messages (both ham and spam) with previously seen message
ids and spams with duplicate "loose" checksums before Spambayes sees them.

My ham and spam cutoffs are 0.15 and 0.80, respectively.  My procmailrc file
segregates spams into two levels, >= 0.97 ("high spam") and < 0.97 ("low
spam").  This allows me to pay closer attention to messages classified as
spam which are likely to be mistakes.  Of the high spams I don't recall
seeing any false positives.  This is the bulk of all spams, more than 90%
(5234 vs 327).  Furthermore, I tend to train on the lowest of the "low
spams", those which score less than 0.90.  This (I think) should tend to
push more spams into the high spam range.

I no longer train on everything.  Based on those unsures I did train on, 40
turn out to be hams and 68 spams.  Of those classified as spam or ham there
were two false positives and 13 false negatives.  I still have over 3000
high spams which I have yet to examine.  I'm fairly confident there aren't
any hams in that bunch.

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Jun 18 15:47:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:47:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] very impressed....
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E68B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

 Tim> OTOH, that's suspiciously good performance <wink>.  An Unsure
 Tim> rate of under 1% isn't unheard of, but has rarely been 
 Tim> seen in personal email.

[Skip]
> On June 4th I cvs up'd to get Tim's latest tokenizer 
> improvements and retrained on my full corpus.  Here's how 
> Spambayes has classified all my mail since then:
> 
>     ham             8125        59%
>     spam            5561        40%
>     unsure           163         1%

I don't know whether it was related to Tim's changes or something else,
but the number of unsures that I get has recently plummeted (I don't
keep actual figures, but it would be less than 1% and it would have been
about 2-5% previously).  My cutoffs are 20% and 80%.

I suppose it could be Tim's changes, but the unsures don't really seem
to fit it.  Maybe the spammers are going through a predictable phase?

=Tony Meyer

From axelseaa at amadmax.com  Wed Jun 18 00:20:27 2003
From: axelseaa at amadmax.com (Aaron Axelsen)
Date: Wed Jun 18 00:20:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000401c33550$f39d6460$6400a8c0@DELTA>

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From jaroslav.brandis at softec.sk  Wed Jun 18 16:20:35 2003
From: jaroslav.brandis at softec.sk (Brandis Jaroslav)
Date: Wed Jun 18 09:20:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] who create new binary install from CVS ?
Message-ID: <5E415169BC383A4EB17C22078E27D5B24EEB79@dcba01.softec.sk>

hello.
 
I've got MH installer and sources from CVS. I would like compile new
binaries . I Read readme.txt and then run 
C:\temp\cvs\spambayes\Outlook2000\installer>c:\temp\cvs\installer\Build.
py  spambayes_addin.spec

Output is here :
********************************************
 
checking Analysis
building Analysis because out0.toc non existent
building out0.toc
Analyzing: c:\temp\cvs\installer/support/_mountzlib.py
Analyzing: c:\temp\cvs\installer/support/useUnicode.py
Analyzing: spambayes_addin.py
W: pythoncom is changing it's name to pythoncom22
W: pywintypes is changing it's name to PyWinTypes22
Syntax error in
C:\temp\cvs\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py
('invalid syntax', (None, 91, 44, '        except pythoncom.com_error,
details\n
'))
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "c:\temp\cvs\installer\Build.py", line 759, in ?
    build(sys.argv[1])
  File "c:\temp\cvs\installer\Build.py", line 40, in build
    exec open(spec, 'r').read()+'\n'
  File "<string>", line 36, in ?
  File "c:\temp\cvs\installer\Build.py", line 76, in __init__
    self.__postinit__()
  File "c:\temp\cvs\installer\Build.py", line 58, in __postinit__
    self.assemble()
  File "c:\temp\cvs\installer\Build.py", line 146, in assemble
    analyzer.analyze_script(script)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 360, in analyze_script
    return self.analyze_r('__main__')
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 280, in analyze_r
    newnms = self.analyze_one(name, nm, imptyp)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 314, in analyze_one
    mod = self.doimport(nm, ctx, fqname)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 373, in doimport
    mod = parent.doimport(nm)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 495, in doimport
    mod = self.subimporter.getmod(nm)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 197, in getmod
    mod = owner.getmod(nm)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\installer\mf.py", line 55, in getmod
    co = compile(open(py[0], 'r').read()+'\n', py[0], 'exec')
  File "<string>", line 91
    except pythoncom.com_error, details
                                      ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
 
 
Any advice ? or Has anyone binary isntalation from june CVS 
 

----------------------------

BRANDIS JAROSLAV
Softec s.r.o.
Kutuzovova 23
831 03 Bratislava

Tel: +421 (2) 49202547
Fax: +421 (2) 49202503

 
From RCaro at CMC.us  Wed Jun 18 11:31:40 2003
From: RCaro at CMC.us (Dick Caro)
Date: Wed Jun 18 10:32:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trial use experience
Message-ID: <ENELLFEIPIANCGOIGFOEOEMIDPAA.RCaro@CMC.us>

I have been using Spambayes for about four weeks.  In general, I am very
pleased.

It now seems that my Inbox is 100% free of SPAM -- hooray!

I still must carefully scan my JunkMail folder for false positives. I still
find good email classified as SPAM even after I have recovered previous
messages from the same sender.  Only about half of these wind up in my
MaybeSpam folder, while the rest go directly to JunkMail.  

I get more than 200 emails per day and I conclude that SpamBayes has saved
me more than an hour per day over the use of Outlook filters that never
achieved a clean inbox and generated more false positives.  I have
complained to ZDnet and PCmag that seem to generate most of the false
positives with their strange email "From" addresses.  SpamBayes needs to
have a real "White List" to pass mail from known sources directly to the
Inbox.

Dick Caro

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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jun 18 10:47:11 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Jun 18 10:47:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trial use experience
In-Reply-To: <ENELLFEIPIANCGOIGFOEOEMIDPAA.RCaro@CMC.us>
References: <ENELLFEIPIANCGOIGFOEOEMIDPAA.RCaro@CMC.us>
Message-ID: <16112.31599.296838.540347@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Dick> It now seems that my Inbox is 100% free of SPAM -- hooray!

Good to hear.

    Dick> I still must carefully scan my JunkMail folder for false
    Dick> positives.  I still find good email classified as SPAM even after
    Dick> I have recovered previous messages from the same sender.  

Yes, if you have valid correspondents who tend send you "spammy" mail, it
may take a little effort to get their messages classified properly.  Make
sure you train them as ham.

    Dick> Only about half of these wind up in my MaybeSpam folder, while the
    Dick> rest go directly to JunkMail.

I strongly suggest you train on everything which winds up in your MaybeSpam
folder.  Don't simply delete them.  Also, add a Spam column to the message
header display in both your MaybeSpam and Spam folders and sort the display
by that column.  Perhaps you need to move your spam cutoff closer to 90%.  I
think the default is 80%.  The spam scores in that column should help you
identify a better cutoff for your current situation.

    Dick> SpamBayes needs to have a real "White List" to pass mail from
    Dick> known sources directly to the Inbox.

SpamAtBay (the commercialized offshoot of Spambayes) has a white list
feature, but Sean True said recently it's not all that helpful.  In
addition, most spam and virus messages come with forged From addresses.
Viruses especially are likely to come with From address of someone you know.

In short, who the message is from is just another clue.  Spambayes generates
synthetic tokens for email addresses.  Your correspondents' email addresses
will become good ham indicators over time.

Skip


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun 19 10:35:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Jun 18 19:35:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] who create new binary install from CVS ?
In-Reply-To: <5E415169BC383A4EB17C22078E27D5B24EEB79@dcba01.softec.sk>
Message-ID: <023001c335f2$3f483380$530f8490@eden>

 
> I've got MH installer and sources from CVS. I would like compile new
> binaries . I Read readme.txt and then run 
> C:\temp\cvs\spambayes\Outlook2000\installer>c:\temp\cvs\instal
> ler\Build.
> py  spambayes_addin.spec

Err - that would be my fault - sorry.  Fixed.

Mark.
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 19 12:47:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 18 19:48:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trial use experience
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E87E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> SpamBayes needs to have a real "White List" to pass mail
> from known sources directly to the Inbox.

Without getting into debating the merits of white/black listing:

* The commercial offshoot of Spambayes, SpamAtBay, does have
whitelisting capabilities.  You can try out the latest beta by
contacting Sean True.  See the archives for more information.

* It varies, but quite often the Outlook rules run before Spambayes
classifies.  So you could create your own whitelist Outlook rule, and
move these messages to a folder that Spambayes does not filter.

=Tony Meyer

From andy at thefeldsteins.com  Wed Jun 18 21:02:11 2003
From: andy at thefeldsteins.com (Andrew Feldstein)
Date: Wed Jun 18 20:03:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Ah the Irony!
Message-ID: <EMENJNNHPHEIOONEAHMKIELICCAA.andy@thefeldsteins.com>

Installed spambayes a few days ago, and it seems to work without a hitch.
But, I was quite amused to find on the next day that it classified about
half the messages from this mailing list as possible spam*; the following
day about a third were classified as possible spam, and today, about a
quarter.

Ain't that ironic?

Andy.




* Or, as I like to refer to it, "ham loaf"--maybe ham, maybe spam, you never
now till you try it!
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From ez.rider at verizon.net  Wed Jun 18 21:17:08 2003
From: ez.rider at verizon.net (EZ.Rider)
Date: Wed Jun 18 20:17:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes lost it all
Message-ID: <KNEIIGBOFFPILEPKCGHPCEMCCFAA.ez.rider@verizon.net>

Hi

I had SpamBayes installed on my PC at work.  I had trained it and set it up to
filter, and it was doing a great job.

Then we had a power outage and I shut down my PC without exiting outlook first,
and when I started it back up, SpamBayes was as ignorant as a newborn babe.  It
had lost the settings for filter directories, and it had no training any longer.
I don't know where all that went, but it acted as it did the first time I
installed it prior to training and setup.

Why did it forget all the setups, and how can I protect myself from this in the
future?

thanks

michael


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 19 13:20:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 18 20:20:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes lost it all
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207E8AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Then we had a power outage and I shut down my PC without 
> exiting outlook first, and when I started it back up, 
> SpamBayes was as ignorant as a newborn babe.  It had lost the 
> settings for filter directories, and it had no training any 
> longer. I don't know where all that went, but it acted as it 
> did the first time I installed it prior to training and setup.
> 
> Why did it forget all the setups, and how can I protect 
> myself from this in the future?

The current release of the binary only saves the database and
configuration settings when Outlook is (correctly) shut down.  Because
Outlook was not shut down, it didn't save it.  To protect yourself
against this, close outlook down (fully - check the task manager) after
you have set it and trained.

The next release of the plugin fixes this problem (it saves as needed).
This is due out real soon now, so if you get that when it is available,
this will also solve the problem.

=Tony Meyer

From jaroslav.brandis at softec.sk  Thu Jun 19 10:52:57 2003
From: jaroslav.brandis at softec.sk (Brandis Jaroslav)
Date: Thu Jun 19 03:52:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Hammiefilter not run on Win paltform  ?
Message-ID: <5E415169BC383A4EB17C22078E27D5B24EEB7C@dcba01.softec.sk>

Hello. 

I tried to run hammiefilter in cmd.exe
C:\temp\cvs\spambayes>hammiefilter.py <
"c:\temp\cvs\spambayes.o\spam.txt"
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\temp\cvs\spambayes\hammiefilter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "C:\temp\cvs\spambayes\hammiefilter.py", line 180, in main
    msg = mboxutils.get_message(sys.stdin)
  File "C:\temp\cvs\spambayes\spambayes\mboxutils.py", line 114, in
get_message
    obj = obj.read()
IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor

Spam.txt is renamed file exported from outlookXP with export command
from spambayes\outlook2000 dir.

But when I run training with hammiefilter -d test.db -s c:\temp\spam
hammie is training  and building db. 

Whats wrong ? 


Thanks for advice


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Jun 19 19:27:52 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Jun 19 04:28:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Hammiefilter not run on Win paltform  ?
In-Reply-To: <5E415169BC383A4EB17C22078E27D5B24EEB7C@dcba01.softec.sk>
Message-ID: <005b01c3363c$ad7af500$530f8490@eden>

> I tried to run hammiefilter in cmd.exe
> C:\temp\cvs\spambayes>hammiefilter.py <
> "c:\temp\cvs\spambayes.o\spam.txt"

Try adding "python.exe" at the start of the command.

> Spam.txt is renamed file exported from outlookXP with export command
> from spambayes\outlook2000 dir.

Make sure it truly is a text file - check by opening it with Notepad.  It
will need to include all internet headers to be useful for hammie.

Mark.
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From PMatteson at dne.com  Thu Jun 19 10:45:34 2003
From: PMatteson at dne.com (Paul Matteson)
Date: Thu Jun 19 09:46:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Keeping Spam from causing email notification 
Message-ID: <7F9F8E414F5FD511BFD60002A534A5EC593696@DNE04>

Hello,

While my users love your product, they did not like getting a notification
every time there was a spam message.  They only wanted notifications that
new mail that was actually intended for them had arrived.  I had seen the
FAQ 3.4 on your site about marking spam as read and thought this may be what
the person asking the question was trying to do.

I'm not sure if I'm sending this suggestion to the right place, but we've
found that by creating the Spam folder under the Deleted Items folder in
Outlook, we were able to keep the email notification from triggering.   This
isn't the optimal solution because if you forget the folder is there and
choose to empty the trash, you will wipe out the spam folder.  It just takes
a little retraining to remember to select the items in the Deleted Items
folder manually and delete them rather than using the empty trash procedure.

Thank you for an excellent product.

Paul Matteson

From sholden at holdenweb.com  Thu Jun 19 13:30:41 2003
From: sholden at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Thu Jun 19 12:34:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eliminating many malformed spams
Message-ID: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMAKEJGEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>

Hi. Time for my latest observation, which is that while spambayes is
great (especially when integrated with Outlook, for this Windows user)
there seem to be a number of automated mailing systems that generate
malformed messages. I am beginning to suspect they may do it
deliberately to foil attempts at despamming. The specific problem that
concerned me most was when a message's headers would contain an HTML
comment, as this appears to be the most frequent malformation, leading
to the following typical error trace:

Deleting and spam training message 'Zero Cost - 2 Plane Tickets and 3
Day Hotel Vacation!!' -  FAILED to create email.message from:
'Received: from SMTP32-FWD by ... \r\nContent-type:
text/html\r\n<!--/ad/2/CD7-->\r\nX-UIDL: 354808483\r\n ...
</body>\r\n</html>\r\n\r\n\n'
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line
275, in _Invoke_
    return self._invoke_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args)
  File "C:\Python22\\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line
280, in _invoke_
    return S_OK, -1, self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, None,
None)
  File "C:\Python22\\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line
541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "C:\Steve\spambayescvs\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 358,
in OnClick
    if train.train_message(msgstore_message, True, self.manager, rescore
= True):
  File "C:\Steve\spambayescvs\spambayes\Outlook2000\train.py", line 46,
in train_message
    stream = msg.GetEmailPackageObject()
  File "C:\Steve\spambayescvs\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
641, in GetEmailPackageObject
    msg = email.message_from_string(text)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\email\__init__.py", line 52, in
message_from_string
    return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s)
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\email\Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\email\Parser.py", line 62, in parse
    self._parseheaders(root, fp)
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\email\Parser.py", line 128, in _parseheaders
    raise Errors.HeaderParseError(
email.Errors.HeaderParseError: Not a header, not a continuation:
``<!--/ad/2/CD7-->''

Obviously when email.Parser fails on a message it's difficult to state a
general rule for handling it, though it might be nice to be able to
nominate a folder that malformed mails should be sent to. For now,
though, I've found that it's at least helpful to be able to ignore such
HTML comments. The change below does this in my Windows 2.2.2 version,
and the email module still passes all tests. Obviously it would be
better to have this feature controlled by the "strict" switch or
similar, but I was being pragmatic here. I haven't yet attempted the
same changes to CVS, as I'm not currently in touch with the latest and
greatest, and sadly don't have time for Beta testing.

*** 22Parser.py Thu Jun 19 12:24:19 2003
--- Parser.py   Thu Jun 19 12:05:26 2003
***************
*** 124,129 ****
--- 124,132 ----
                  elif lineno == 1 and line.startswith('--'):
                      # allow through duplicate boundary tags.
                      continue
+                 # SH: ignore inappropriately-positioned HTML comments
+                 elif line.startswith("<!--") and line.endswith("-->"):
+                     continue
                  else:
                      raise Errors.HeaderParseError(
                          "Not a header, not a continuation:
``%s''"%line)
Comments?

regards
--
Steve Holden                                 http://www.holdenweb.com/
Python Web Programming                http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/




From barry at python.org  Thu Jun 19 17:54:47 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu Jun 19 12:54:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMAKEJGEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
References: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMAKEJGEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <1056041655.7921.31.camel@barry>

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 12:30, Steve Holden wrote:
> Hi. Time for my latest observation, which is that while spambayes is
> great (especially when integrated with Outlook, for this Windows user)
> there seem to be a number of automated mailing systems that generate
> malformed messages. I am beginning to suspect they may do it
> deliberately to foil attempts at despamming.

If that was truly the case, and we could count on proper RFC compliance
by all legitimate mailing systems, then you could just throw all
non-parseable message into the spam folder and be done with it, right?

Still, I understand there are times when you really want to be able to
parse any random stream of characters <wink> into a mail message
object.  Anthony Baxter is hard at work on a more lenient parser that
should improve the rate of parseable messages.  I think any application
though has to be prepared to handle un-parseable messages, as we'll
never get it to 100%.

-Barry



From sholden at holdenweb.com  Thu Jun 19 14:47:42 2003
From: sholden at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Thu Jun 19 13:51:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <1056041655.7921.31.camel@barry>
Message-ID: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMACEJKEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>

[Barry]
> On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 12:30, Steve Holden wrote:
> > Hi. Time for my latest observation, which is that while spambayes is
> > great (especially when integrated with Outlook, for this
> Windows user)
> > there seem to be a number of automated mailing systems that generate
> > malformed messages. I am beginning to suspect they may do it
> > deliberately to foil attempts at despamming.
>
> If that was truly the case, and we could count on proper RFC
> compliance
> by all legitimate mailing systems, then you could just throw all
> non-parseable message into the spam folder and be done with it, right?
>
Yes, and I've even considered doing that, but I'm reluctant to trust
that all legitimate mailers will be RFC-compliant. I'm also reluctant to
draw conclusions from any particular characteristics of the
malformation - once you start doing that, spammers will start using it
as a way to misinform your filtering process.

> Still, I understand there are times when you really want to be able to
> parse any random stream of characters <wink> into a mail message
> object.  Anthony Baxter is hard at work on a more lenient parser that
> should improve the rate of parseable messages.

That's good news. More strength to his arm! At present I'm getting about
300 mails per day. About twenty of these are legitimate, I usually get
about ten "unsure" (of which 98% are spam) and twenty or so unparseable.
Sn I'm hoping in the meantime that my little tweak will reduce my
workload somewhat.

>                                             I think any
> application
> though has to be prepared to handle un-parseable messages, as we'll
> never get it to 100%.
>
Correct.

regards
--
Steve Holden                                 http://www.holdenweb.com/
Python Web Programming                http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/





From barry at python.org  Thu Jun 19 19:03:00 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu Jun 19 14:03:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMACEJKEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
References: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMACEJKEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <1056045747.7921.39.camel@barry>

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 13:47, Steve Holden wrote:
> [Barry]
> > If that was truly the case, and we could count on proper RFC
> > compliance
> > by all legitimate mailing systems, then you could just throw all
> > non-parseable message into the spam folder and be done with it, right?
> >
> Yes, and I've even considered doing that, but I'm reluctant to trust
> that all legitimate mailers will be RFC-compliant. I'm also reluctant to
> draw conclusions from any particular characteristics of the
> malformation - once you start doing that, spammers will start using it
> as a way to misinform your filtering process.

Yeah, but here's the beauty of it - if you start throwing malformed
messages in the trash, or better yet, rejecting them at SMTP time, you
will accomplish two goals.  You'll provide a great incentive to
legitimate senders to start making sure their messages are properly
formed and you'll be building an incentive against spammers.  Spammers
can't abuse malformedness to get past your filters because they'll just
get rejected at smtp time -- the better for all your users.  They'll be
forced to at the very least properly format their messages just to get
them past the gatekeeper.

Please shoot holes in this, 'cause I'm liking this more and more :)

-Barry



From skip at pobox.com  Thu Jun 19 14:17:22 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Jun 19 14:17:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <1056045747.7921.39.camel@barry>
References: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMACEJKEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
	<1056045747.7921.39.camel@barry>
Message-ID: <16113.65074.345307.562244@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Barry> Yeah, but here's the beauty of it - if you start throwing
    Barry> malformed messages in the trash, or better yet, rejecting them at
    Barry> SMTP time, you will accomplish two goals.  You'll provide a great
    Barry> incentive to legitimate senders to start making sure their
    Barry> messages are properly formed and you'll be building an incentive
    Barry> against spammers.

Unfortunately, most legitimate senders are not able to easily fix their mail
software so it conforms to the appropriate RFCs.  Incentive or not, there
wouldn't be much they could do about their plight.

Skip

From barry at python.org  Thu Jun 19 19:49:30 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu Jun 19 14:49:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <16113.65074.345307.562244@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMACEJKEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
	<1056045747.7921.39.camel@barry>
	<16113.65074.345307.562244@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1056048537.7921.43.camel@barry>

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 14:17, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Barry> Yeah, but here's the beauty of it - if you start throwing
>     Barry> malformed messages in the trash, or better yet, rejecting them at
>     Barry> SMTP time, you will accomplish two goals.  You'll provide a great
>     Barry> incentive to legitimate senders to start making sure their
>     Barry> messages are properly formed and you'll be building an incentive
>     Barry> against spammers.
> 
> Unfortunately, most legitimate senders are not able to easily fix their mail
> software so it conforms to the appropriate RFCs.  Incentive or not, there
> wouldn't be much they could do about their plight.

Oh Skip, just stop coddling them! :)

-Barry



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Jun 20 09:35:08 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Jun 19 18:35:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Keeping Spam from causing email notification
In-Reply-To: <7F9F8E414F5FD511BFD60002A534A5EC593696@DNE04>
Message-ID: <016601c336b3$0a43fea0$530f8490@eden>

The next version of the plugin will have the ability to mark messages as
read/unread for various operations (ie, both the filtering, and the "Delete
as/Recover From Spam" buttons.

These wont be in the user interface - you will need a text editor and to
read the docs that will come with it - but it will be there!

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Matteson
> Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:46 PM
> To: 'SpamBayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Keeping Spam from causing email notification
>
>
> Hello,
>
> While my users love your product, they did not like getting a
> notification
> every time there was a spam message.  They only wanted
> notifications that
> new mail that was actually intended for them had arrived.  I
> had seen the
> FAQ 3.4 on your site about marking spam as read and thought
> this may be what
> the person asking the question was trying to do.
>
> I'm not sure if I'm sending this suggestion to the right
> place, but we've
> found that by creating the Spam folder under the Deleted
> Items folder in
> Outlook, we were able to keep the email notification from
> triggering.   This
> isn't the optimal solution because if you forget the folder
> is there and
> choose to empty the trash, you will wipe out the spam folder.
>  It just takes
> a little retraining to remember to select the items in the
> Deleted Items
> folder manually and delete them rather than using the empty
> trash procedure.
>
> Thank you for an excellent product.
>
> Paul Matteson
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From mathai at vt.edu  Thu Jun 19 20:10:17 2003
From: mathai at vt.edu (Mathai, Mathew)
Date: Thu Jun 19 19:10:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using the SpamBayes Outlook Plug-in
Message-ID: <118E64323675BE408C22470D8013D06B0143E304@fangorn.cc.vt.edu>

I've been using the SpamBayes Outlook Plug In for over a week and
haven't noticed any problems with using Outlook for my mail. The plug in
works very well in getting rid of most of my spam. I noticed on your
documentation page that you asked for system details from people who
were using Outlook 2002 under Windows 2000. Since I happen to be one of
those users, I figured I show my appreciation to you folks for
developing this filter by sending you pertinent details about my system
and the version of Outlook I'm using. 
 
System Information report 
[System Summary]
OS Name Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
Version 5.0.2195 Service Pack 3 Build 2195
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name XXXXXXXX
System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
System Model Inspiron 4100                   
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 11 Stepping 1 GenuineIntel ~1129 Mhz
BIOS Version Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A07
Total Physical Memory 261,560 KB
Available Physical Memory 30,908 KB
Total Virtual Memory 893,508 KB
Available Virtual Memory 458,116 KB
Page File Space 631,948 KB
 
Application name Outlook
Version 10.0
Build 4712
Product ID XXXXXXXXXXX
Language English (United States)
System Language English (United States)

I used the binary installer to install the plug-in on my system. Please
let me know if you have any questions.
-Mathew
 
 
 
 
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 20 12:09:56 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 19 19:10:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eliminating many malformed spams
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207EB14@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The specific problem that concerned 
> me most was when a message's headers would contain an HTML 
> comment, as this appears to be the most frequent 
> malformation, leading to the following typical error trace:
[...]
> email.Errors.HeaderParseError: Not a header, not a 
> continuation: ``<!--/ad/2/CD7-->''

I'm fairly sure that the malformation here is *not* due to the comment.
"Not a header, not a continuation" usually means that the empty line
between the headers and the body is missing (so the parser thinks that
the first line of the body is a header line, and tries to treat it as
such).

> For now, though, I've found that it's at 
> least helpful to be able to ignore such HTML comments.

Spambayes should be stripping everything in comments when it tokenizes
anyway (so that spammers can't put lots of 'good' words in comments).
IMO, it would be wrong for the parser itself to ignore comments -
sometimes there are valid reasons for them to be there, especially when
it is valid markup (as in the above case).  As I said above, I'm pretty
sure that it's not the comment, but the position of the comment, that is
causing the problem anyway.

(But as Barry said, hopefully the new parser will help these things).

=Tony Meyer

From hadar at unorthodox.com  Thu Jun 19 21:20:53 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Thu Jun 19 20:21:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACELKDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

Hi all. A few weeks ago, I raised the question about moving
a database over from a pc (using the Outlook plugin) to a
server running RH8, so that hammiefilter.py could be used on
the server to filter for my Blackberry, using the set
trained from my pc. Mark responded that to his knowledge, no
one had tried it yet, and that I should report back if/when
I did.

So, tonight, I finally found some time to try this. In the
meantime, I have switched to the SpamAtBay product (in case
that makes a difference to what I am about to report). I am
running Beta 10 of SAB.

I have a file in the default location called:

default_bayes_database.db

Size is 8,396,800

Before worrying about whether the file would just copy over
from the pc to the server, I figured I'd use the dbExpImp.py
script. When I ran it on the pc, I got the following
exception:

$ python dbExpImp.py -e -d /c/Documents\ and\ Settings/hadar/Application\ Data/
SpamBayes/default_bayes_database.db -f export.txt
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "dbExpImp.py", line 262, in ?
    runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN)
  File "dbExpImp.py", line 112, in runExport
    bayes = spambayes.storage.PickledClassifier(dbFN)
  File "C:\cygwin\home\hadar\SpamBayesSource\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", li
ne 80, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "C:\cygwin\home\hadar\SpamBayesSource\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", li
ne 103, in load
    tempbayes = pickle.load(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, ' '.

Long story short, while "whichdb.whichdb" report that this
file is a dbhash, any call to "open" on that file, whether
through anydbm, or bsddb, etc., returns an error. On the
other hand, the file continues to work correctly under the
SAB program.

Here's an example of a failed "open" call:

>>> d=anydbm.open("default_bayes_database.db", "r")
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/anydbm.py", line 86, in open
    return mod.open(file, flag, mode)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/dbhash.py", line 16, in open
    return bsddb.hashopen(file, flag, mode)
bsddb.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

So, having finally found the time to work on this, I'm stuck
right at the beginning of the journey.

If someone can tell me what's going on here, I'm happy to
continue hooking up the db to hammiefilter through procmail,
and see what happens.

Thanks in advance!

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 20 13:57:52 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 19 20:58:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207EBB4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Before worrying about whether the file would just copy over 
> from the pc to the server, I figured I'd use the dbExpImp.py 
> script.

AFAIK the dbExpImp script has never been updated to work with Outlook
databases, although noises have been made about doing so on several
occasions.  It wouldn't be that difficult a task, I think, but there has
never been a big call for it.

> Here's an example of a failed "open" call:
> 
> >>> d=anydbm.open("default_bayes_database.db", "r")
> Traceback (most recent call last):
[...]

The following works for me (although this is with Spambayes and not
SpamAtBay, it should work the same):

>>> import bsddb3 as bsddb
>>> d=bsddb.hashopen("default_bayes_database.db", "r")

Hope this helps.

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Thu Jun 19 21:09:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Jun 19 21:09:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACELKDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
References: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACELKDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <16114.24240.83387.635953@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Hadar> $ python dbExpImp.py -e -d /c/Documents\ and\ Settings/hadar/Application\ Data/
    Hadar> SpamBayes/default_bayes_database.db -f export.txt
    Hadar> Traceback (most recent call last):
    Hadar>   File "dbExpImp.py", line 262, in ?
    Hadar>     runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN)
    Hadar>   File "dbExpImp.py", line 112, in runExport
    Hadar>     bayes = spambayes.storage.PickledClassifier(dbFN)
    Hadar>   File "C:\cygwin\home\hadar\SpamBayesSource\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", li
    Hadar> ne 80, in __init__
    Hadar>     self.load()
    Hadar>   File "C:\cygwin\home\hadar\SpamBayesSource\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", li
    Hadar> ne 103, in load
    Hadar>     tempbayes = pickle.load(fp)
    Hadar> cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, ' '.

This looks like you're trying to read the database file as a pickle.  I've
never used dbExpImp.py myself, so I'm not sure I can help you with that.
You might try the db2pickle.py and pickle2db.py scripts.  They are in the
Tools/scripts directory of the Python distribution.  I can send them to you
if you don't have them or you can pull them from the CVS browser on
SourceForge:

    http://tinyurl.com/d2a3

You would run db2pickle.py on your PC using the version of Python embedded
in SpamAtBay, transfer the pickle file to your server, then run pickle2db.py
there to generate a db file usable by hammie.

    Hadar> Here's an example of a failed "open" call:

    >>>> d=anydbm.open("default_bayes_database.db", "r")
    Hadar> Traceback (most recent call last):
    Hadar>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
    Hadar>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/anydbm.py", line 86, in open
    Hadar>     return mod.open(file, flag, mode)
    Hadar>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/dbhash.py", line 16, in open
    Hadar>     return bsddb.hashopen(file, flag, mode)
    Hadar> bsddb.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

This error isn't all that surprising.  I suspect your Unix server and your
Windows machine use different versions of the Berkeley DB library, so you
probably won't be able to simply transfer the db file directly.

Skip

From hadar at unorthodox.com  Thu Jun 19 22:47:58 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Thu Jun 19 21:48:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
In-Reply-To: <16114.24240.83387.635953@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACEMBDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

Thanks Tony and Skip. It turns out that SpamAtBay indeed
uses bsddb3, which I didn't have installed on the server.

I was able to find the rpm for the python binding, but
(I guess as expected) the actual berkeley db is not installed
on the server. Here's the error message during the rpm install:

"Can't find a local db3 installation."

Anyway, a quick perusal of the sleepycat site only yields
db4, not db3 downloads.

So, I'm giving up for the night (and logging off, so I won't
see any further suggestions until the morning). If anyone
can point me toward the correct steps for getting bsddb3
correctly intstalled on an RH8 machine, that would be great.

Alternatively, if someone can suggest a straighforward way
for taking a bsddb3 db on a PC and converting it to a dbhash
which hammiefilter.py will like, that would be fine as well.

Thanks again.


From matt at mondoinfo.com  Thu Jun 19 22:36:48 2003
From: matt at mondoinfo.com (Matthew Dixon Cowles)
Date: Thu Jun 19 22:36:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <1056045747.7921.39.camel@barry>
References: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMACEJKEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>
	<1056045747.7921.39.camel@barry>
Message-ID: <1056074696.19.4049@sake.mondoinfo.com>

Barry,

> Yeah, but here's the beauty of it - if you start throwing malformed
> messages in the trash, or better yet, rejecting them at SMTP time,
> you will accomplish two goals.  You'll provide a great incentive to
> legitimate senders to start making sure their messages are properly
> formed and you'll be building an incentive against spammers.

This is one of the reasons that I was a trifle reluctant to vote in
favor of having the non-strict parser be the default parser in the
email module. There's an unlimited number of ways for a message to be
broken. It seems a trifle unreasonable that every time someone
discovers a new sort of brokenness that a popular MUA will parse,
that that becomes a bug in the email module. Still, I voted in favor
because I think that people will demand it.

Regards,
Matt


From keng.act at arcmachines.com  Thu Jun 19 21:03:39 2003
From: keng.act at arcmachines.com (Ken Gedgaudas)
Date: Thu Jun 19 23:03:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem similar to bug 740843
Message-ID: <000901c336d8$8ccdf6d0$1c010180@arcmachines.org>

    Spambayes was installed using the Outlook plugin on Outlook 2002 running on Windows 2000 SP 2

During the installation received the following error message:

INSB2.tmp - No Disk
There is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive \Device|harddisk1\DR3

I clicked "Continue" 3 times, installation finished.

At Outlook startup received following erro message:

DDE Server Windows: OUTLOOK.EXE - No Disk
There is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive \Device|harddisk1\DR3

I clicked "Continue" 3 times, Outlook started up.

When I click on the "report a bug" the url displays E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\docs\troubleshooting.html with message This page cannot be displayed.

Help, how do I uninstall this program?

Ken Gedgaudas
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From tim at zope.com  Fri Jun 20 00:21:14 2003
From: tim at zope.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu Jun 19 23:21:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACEMBDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEMDEKAB.tim@zope.com>

[Hadar Pedhazur]
> Thanks Tony and Skip. It turns out that SpamAtBay indeed
> uses bsddb3, which I didn't have installed on the server.

Note that "bsddb3" is an idiotic (with hindsight <wink>) name, derived from
the version of Berekley DB current at the time the pybsddb project
*started*:

    http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/

As it says at the top of that page, the current Python "bsddb3" bindings
actually work with BerkeleyDB 3.1 thru 4.1.  The Sleepycat version that's
going to ship with the PythonLabs Python 2.3 installer for Windows is
Sleepycat's latest, 4.1.25, and that works fine with the bsddb3 package
(which latter has been folded into the core for Python 2.3 on all platforms;
before 2.3, you can get it from the SF page above).

> I was able to find the rpm for the python binding, but
> (I guess as expected) the actual berkeley db is not installed
> on the server. Here's the error message during the rpm install:
>
> "Can't find a local db3 installation."
>
> Anyway, a quick perusal of the sleepycat site only yields
> db4, not db3 downloads.

You shouldn't need db3, but, if it turns out you do, you can get source for
3.3.11 (the last in the db3 line) here:

    http://www.sleepycat.com/download/patchlogs.shtml

IIRC, it's then also mandatory that you download and apply the 2 patches to
3.3.11 available from the same line on the same page.


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri Jun 20 18:45:18 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri Jun 20 03:46:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams 
In-Reply-To: <16113.65074.345307.562244@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <200306200745.h5K7jIZV013480@localhost.localdomain>


>>> Skip Montanaro wrote
> Unfortunately, most legitimate senders are not able to easily fix their mail
> software so it conforms to the appropriate RFCs.  Incentive or not, there
> wouldn't be much they could do about their plight.

On the plus side, it's not like they can email us to complain...

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From john.abel at pa.press.net  Fri Jun 20 14:40:16 2003
From: john.abel at pa.press.net (John Abel)
Date: Fri Jun 20 08:41:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamByes In A Multi-Computer/Account?
Message-ID: <3EF300B0.7060607@pa.press.net>

Hi!

I've been using SpamBayes with a single computer/single account for a 
while now with great success (except for a problem with the number of 
unsures, separate mail when I get round to it), and I want to implement 
it on all my family computers.  Basically, what I'm asking is, what is 
the best way of having SpamBayes running on one computer, with all the 
others proxying through it, using several mail accounts (without having 
to assign them to individual ports)?  I was looking at using PSpam, but 
I've not seen much mention of it, on the list.

Any pointers/advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

John


From skip at pobox.com  Fri Jun 20 09:14:38 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Jun 20 09:14:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACEMBDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
References: <16114.24240.83387.635953@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACEMBDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>
Message-ID: <16115.2238.748453.244593@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Hadar> "Can't find a local db3 installation."

    Hadar> Anyway, a quick perusal of the sleepycat site only yields
    Hadar> db4, not db3 downloads.

I see Tim already pointed you toward the source.  You might also try rpmfind
if you really want just a simple rpm install:

    http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=db3

Pick whichever db3 rpm is most appropriate for your platform.

Skip

From pdkeith at statestreet.com  Fri Jun 20 11:09:21 2003
From: pdkeith at statestreet.com (Keith, Paul D)
Date: Fri Jun 20 10:09:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Addin stops working
Message-ID: <85726B5DF5507348BFA25D60388C1B5A746EF9@EXCHANGE5.corp.statestr.com>

Folks,

I ahving a problem with your terric piece of software.  It works for a few
days then stops filtering.  All of the settings are correct.  I checked the
log fiile and there is a message that says "
exceptions.AssertionError: 
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 217, in
chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 316, in probability

Any idea what might be causing this?

Paul D. Keith Jr.                                           
Assistant Tax Director / Technology Officer                            

State Street Corporation
One Federal Street
Boston, MA 02110

pdkeith@statestreet.com                                
Phone:   617.662.3956
Fax:       617.662.3734
 



From sholden at holdenweb.com  Fri Jun 20 11:38:18 2003
From: sholden at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Fri Jun 20 10:42:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <1056048537.7921.43.camel@barry>
Message-ID: <CGECIJPNNHIFAJKHOLMAAENBEBAA.sholden@holdenweb.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Warsaw [mailto:barry@python.org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Skip Montanaro
> Cc: Steve Holden; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] RE: Eliminating many malformed spams
>
>
> On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 14:17, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >     Barry> Yeah, but here's the beauty of it - if you start throwing
> >     Barry> malformed messages in the trash, or better yet,
> rejecting them at
> >     Barry> SMTP time, you will accomplish two goals.
> You'll provide a great
> >     Barry> incentive to legitimate senders to start making
> sure their
> >     Barry> messages are properly formed and you'll be
> building an incentive
> >     Barry> against spammers.
> >
> > Unfortunately, most legitimate senders are not able to
> easily fix their mail
> > software so it conforms to the appropriate RFCs.  Incentive
> or not, there
> > wouldn't be much they could do about their plight.
>
> Oh Skip, just stop coddling them! :)
>
Just a quick follow up. So far today I've received eighty-three emails,
of which seventy-four were spam. Not a single parse error so far. For a
small change this has made a big difference.

regards
--
Steve Holden                                 http://www.holdenweb.com/
Python Web Programming                http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/





From hadar at unorthodox.com  Fri Jun 20 12:30:58 2003
From: hadar at unorthodox.com (Hadar Pedhazur)
Date: Fri Jun 20 11:31:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving the db from a pc to a server
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEMDEKAB.tim@zope.com>
Message-ID: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJACEPNDIAA.hadar@unorthodox.com>

Thanks to Tony, Skip and Tim for their help last night (and
early this morning :-).

I was able to download and install db-4.125 from sleepycat's
site, and then install the pybsddb download on sourceforce
as well.

Indeed, the db from SpamAtBay now works for me hooked into
my .procmailrc under RH8, using hammiefilter.py!

The only "trick" (for me) is that .procmailrc wasn't loading
the correct new db .so files by default, so I wrapped the
python script in a 3-line bash script:

#!/bin/bash
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.1/lib/
/usr/bin/python $HOME/SpamBayes/spambayes/hammiefilter.py -f -d $HOME/.hammiedb

Anyway, this is very exciting for me, because I was
previously using SpamAssasin to filter email to my BB, and
so much gets through that it's frightening.

Thanks again!

P.S. For anyone who's interested, it is my intention to
upload the database from PC to the server roughly once a
week, or whenever I realize that I've either made a bunch of
"retrainings" on the PC, or had too much spam come through
on the blackberry.

From Mike_Niccum at BeverlyCorp.com  Fri Jun 20 11:41:13 2003
From: Mike_Niccum at BeverlyCorp.com (Mike_Niccum@BeverlyCorp.com)
Date: Fri Jun 20 11:41:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay Beta candidate 6
Message-ID: <91B7199A3FFFC7459AD0410169F41C1403C388@beiexch.bei_nt.beverlycorp.com>

I would love to be a beta tester.  I have been installing the free version
on a few of my team members.  They love it.  We have an employee base of
over 40,000 users.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Niccum

Beverly Enterprises, Inc.

 



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From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Jun 20 13:21:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay Beta candidate 6
In-Reply-To: <91B7199A3FFFC7459AD0410169F41C1403C388@beiexch.bei_nt.beverlycorp.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHAEDLGAAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mike_Niccum@BeverlyCorp.com]
> I would love to be a beta tester.  I have been installing the free
> version on a few of my team members.  They love it.  We have an
> employee base of over 40,000 users.

You should send email to Sean True directly (spambayes is not a "free
version" of SpamAtBay, nor is SpamAtBay a "commercial version" of spambayes;
different people, different projects, but sharing some technology).


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 14:30:55 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Jun 20 13:34:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Addin stops working
In-Reply-To: <85726B5DF5507348BFA25D60388C1B5A746EF9@EXCHANGE5.corp.statestr.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEDMGAAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Keith, Paul D]
> I ahving a problem with your terric piece of software.  It works for
> a few days then stops filtering.  All of the settings are correct.  I
> checked the log fiile and there is a message that says "
> exceptions.AssertionError:
> pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
>   _Invoke_ File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
>   280, in _invoke_ File
>   "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
>   _invokeex_ File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
>   line 541, in _invokeex_ File
>   "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 203, in OnItemAdd
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 163, in
>   ProcessMessage File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line
>   15, in filter_message File

Anyone know what's responsible for producing these ridiculous compressed
tracebacks?  I promise we're not trying to hide the source code <wink>.

>   "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 440, in score File
> "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 217, in
> chi2_spamprob File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
> 465, in _getclues File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py",
> line 316, in probability

Bingo.

> Any idea what might be causing this?

I'm afraid your database has become corrupt.  We don't yet know why this
happens, although it seems most likely after Outlook gets shut down
incorrectly (e.g., if the machine is turned off before the database is fully
written).  The only known cure at this time is to retrain the database from
scratch (the "rebuild entire database" option in the training dialogue).


From rg at rochester.rr.com  Fri Jun 20 19:19:23 2003
From: rg at rochester.rr.com (Richard Goldstein)
Date: Fri Jun 20 14:19:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great job!
Message-ID: <001401c34d58$f7111ae0$6401a8c0@dell420>

I just got new laptop that came with Outlook.  Having just read about Spambayes I decided to give it a try.

It is amazing.  I use I Hate Spam on my desktop and Spambayes is so much better.

KUDOS man (men? Persons?) 

And thank you(s).

It's so easy & logical and solid that this actually temps me to go out and BUY another copy of Outlook (curse you Bill Gates) for my desktop!

- Richard
From barry at python.org  Sat Jun 21 18:53:56 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat Jun 21 13:53:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
Message-ID: <1056218002.21848.8.camel@anthem>

Hi all,

I finally found a little time to suck down and try to install the
imapfilter.  Unfortunately, I didn't get too far (see below).  I've read
a bunch of recent archive articles and I was just wondering -- has there
been any thought about piggybacking imapfilter on Twisted?  It
supposedly has some very good imap support (the cvs version is the
divmod.org rewrite), although I haven't yet tried it myself.

In any event, I have a couple of minor patches which I'd like to check
in (like not trying to unpack the password option if -p is given), if
that's okay.

Alright, on to my current problem.  On my server, I'm running RH7.3's
imapd (imap-2001a-10), but I connect to it over an ssh tunnel.  So here
is my bayescustomize.ini file:

-----snip snip-----
[imap]
server: localhost:9143
username: barry
unsure_folder: Unsure
spam_folder: Junk
ham_train_folders: INBOX
spam_train_folders: Junk
-----snip snip-----

But when I run "imapfilter.py -v -p -D bayes.db -t" and enter my
password, I get the following traceback:

-----snip snip-----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "imapfilter.py", line 745, in ?
    run()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 731, in run
    imap_filter.Train()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 567, in Train
    num_ham_trained = folder.Train(self.classifier, False)
  File "imapfilter.py", line 505, in Train
    for msg in self:
  File "imapfilter.py", line 435, in __iter__
    yield self[key]
  File "imapfilter.py", line 482, in __getitem__
    msg.get_substance()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 322, in get_substance
    response = imap.uid("FETCH", self.uid, self.rfc822_command)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 622, in uid
    typ, dat = apply(self._simple_command, (name, command) + args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 925, in
_simple_command
    return self._command_complete(name, apply(self._command, (name,) +
args))
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 762, in
_command_complete
    raise self.error('%s command error: %s %s' % (name, typ, data))
imaplib.error: UID command error: BAD ['Bogus attribute list in UID
FETCH']
-----snip snip-----

Any clues?
-Barry



From ark3 at email.com  Sat Jun 21 19:38:26 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Sat Jun 21 18:38:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
In-Reply-To: <1056218002.21848.8.camel@anthem>
Message-ID: <129A3A14-A439-11D7-B38B-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 01:53  PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 762, in
> _command_complete
>     raise self.error('%s command error: %s %s' % (name, typ, data))
> imaplib.error: UID command error: BAD ['Bogus attribute list in UID
> FETCH']
> -----snip snip-----
>
> Any clues?
> -Barry

I believe the IMAP server doesn't like the "RFC822.PEEK" command, and 
imaplib is raising an exception instead of returning a non-"OK" 
response. You can fix this by catching the exception and retrying with 
the self.rfc822_command set to "RFC822" or you can simply change the 
initial value of self.rfc822_command in the __init__ method of that 
class.

Yes, eventually I'll post a patch that should make this IMAP server 
"just work." I just haven't gotten around to finishing it...

   - Abhay



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun Jun 22 14:24:21 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Jun 21 21:25:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207ED30@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I finally found a little time to suck down and try to install 
> the imapfilter.  Unfortunately, I didn't get too far (see 
> below).  I've read a bunch of recent archive articles and I 
> was just wondering -- has there been any thought about 
> piggybacking imapfilter on Twisted?

Not sure if you saw this in the -dev list or not, but I'm writing a
pop3proxy/imapserver combination thing at the moment (with the grandiose
hope of letting Spambayes with OE be almost as simple as Spambayes with
Outlook).  Based on -dev advice I'm using twisted as the base for the
imapserver.

I haven't really looked at the client side of the twisted code, but the
server part is definitely not ready to use yet (although the bugs are
getting fixed pretty quickly after I submit them, so things are
improving).  If the client side is similar, then it would definitely be
better to stick with imaplib.

I have thought about moving imapfilter over (once I'm done with the
other stuff), but (a) that means forcing users to install twisted, (b)
using imaplib works (for the most part), and (c) twisted is complicated,
and I'm not sure I see any real gain from doing so.

> In any event, I have a couple of minor patches which I'd like 
> to check in (like not trying to unpack the password option if 
> -p is given), if that's okay.

Absolutely.  I'll apply them ASAP.

>   File "imapfilter.py", line 322, in get_substance
>     response = imap.uid("FETCH", self.uid, self.rfc822_command)
[...]
>     raise self.error('%s command error: %s %s' % (name, typ, data))
> imaplib.error: UID command error: BAD ['Bogus attribute list 
> in UID FETCH'] -----snip snip-----

I only noticed in the last week that "RFC822.PEEK" is valid in imap4,
but not imap4rev1.  What imapfilter currently does is try "RFC822.PEEK"
(which is the better command to use), and if that fails, falls back on
"RFC822" (and remember this for next time).

The problem is that the 'bad' response is raised, whereas a 'no'
response is simply returned.  Imapfilter currently works with a 'no'
response, but not with a 'bad' one.  I'll check in a fix for this.
'bad' is the correct response, but the imap server I was testing with
(Courier) returns 'no', so that's what it handles.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun Jun 22 14:27:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Jun 21 21:28:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207ED33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > In any event, I have a couple of minor patches which I'd like
> > to check in (like not trying to unpack the password option if 
> > -p is given), if that's okay.
> 
> Absolutely.  I'll apply them ASAP.

What I meant here, was "test", not "apply".  :)

I've checked in code that should fix the other problem.  Let me know if
it doesn't.

=Tony Meyer

From barry at python.org  Sun Jun 22 04:03:05 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat Jun 21 23:03:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207ED33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207ED33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1056250949.21848.11.camel@anthem>

On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 21:27, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> I've checked in code that should fix the other problem.  Let me know if
> it doesn't.

It does, with one minor problem: imaplib doesn't export a module global
error name.  It's imaplib.IMAP4.error.  I'll check in a fix for this and
the -p buglet.

I'm still getting the following though:

-----snip snip-----
Training
   Training ham folder INBOX
Invalid response to append:
('NO', ['APPEND failed: Unknown flag: NotJunk'])
-----snip snip-----

but I'll look at this next.

Thanks!
-Barry



From ark3 at email.com  Sun Jun 22 16:06:49 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Sun Jun 22 15:06:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
In-Reply-To: <1056250949.21848.11.camel@anthem>
Message-ID: <AD43E902-A4E4-11D7-B38B-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 11:02  PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I'm still getting the following though:
>
> -----snip snip-----
> Training
>    Training ham folder INBOX
> Invalid response to append:
> ('NO', ['APPEND failed: Unknown flag: NotJunk'])
> -----snip snip-----
>
> but I'll look at this next.
>
> Thanks!
> -Barry

I think this has to do with the server returning flags without their 
leading backslash, but only accepting them with the backslash. 
Spambayes passes the flags back exactly as it receives them.

The NotJunk flag itself comes from... Apple Mail.app? I haven't 
bothered chasing this down myself, but have been meaning to.

   - Abhay



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 23 13:55:33 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 22 21:01:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206C8B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > Invalid response to append:
> > ('NO', ['APPEND failed: Unknown flag: NotJunk'])
[...]
> I think this has to do with the server returning flags without their 
> leading backslash, but only accepting them with the backslash. 
> Spambayes passes the flags back exactly as it receives them.

Only system flags (and extensions) should have the leading backslash
('seen', 'draft', and so on).  'Keyword' flags like 'NotJunk' should not
have the leading backslash.  Either way, according to the RFC, both the
fetch response and the append command should have them in the same
format.

I think this must be a case where the 'NotJunk' flag is a flag, but not
a permanentflag.  The RFC says that:
    Any flags that are in the
    FLAGS untagged response, but not the PERMANENTFLAGS
    list, can not be set permanently.  If the client
    attempts to STORE a flag that is not in the
    PERMANENTFLAGS list, the server will either reject
    it with a NO reply or store the state for the
    remainder of the current session only.

This seems to fit the behaviour.  I guess the correct behaviour is to
check for a PERMANENTFLAGS response before appending the flags, and
removing any flags that are in both sets.  The way to check this would
be to see if 'NotJunk' is indeed missing from a PERMANENTFLAGS response
(the -i4 switch is good for this).  If Barry feels like it he could
patch this in, otherwise I'll try and get to it sometime.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 23 14:03:51 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 22 21:04:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamByes In A Multi-Computer/Account?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206C97@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Basically, what I'm asking is, what is 
> the best way of having SpamBayes running on one computer, 
> with all the others proxying through it, using several mail
> accounts (without having to assign them to individual ports)?

Do you want everyone to share the same database, or have separate ones?
How concerned are you about people being able to read each other's mail?
Is this non-Outlook?  POP3 or IMAP?

If you want to share the same db and aren't that concerned, then the
only reason you couldn't use pop3proxy is the separate ports issue.  (In
fact, you could have several copies of pop3proxy running, and avoid the
privacy problem/shared db to an extent).

If you're using IMAP, then imapfilter should be up to this.  If you're
using Outlook, then the plug-in should do everything that you need
(although you'll have to use a source version, or wait for the next
binary release).

> I was looking at using PSpam, but 
> I've not seen much mention of it, on the list.

I'm not sure if anyone is using Pspam - it certainly hasn't seen much
updating recently.  I'm not really sure what it offers that pop3proxy
doesn't, except perhaps avoiding using different ports.

Is there any reason why you don't want to use multiple ports?

=Tony Meyer

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Sun Jun 22 22:31:07 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Sun Jun 22 21:32:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Success Source Install from CVS on Outlook 2003 Beta 2
Message-ID: <20030623013149.JVAG24789.imf20aec.bellsouth.net@RA>

With the small patch below, I've got the plugin working under Outlook 2003
Beta 2, with Window XP and Python 2.3.

The added line should probably be surrounded by a version check or
something.

I've noticed that Outlook crashes on exit. This happens when ANY COM addin
is loaded. It happens with SpamBayes, Spammunition, or the plugin from the
Compaq Ipaq install disc. Mostly likey a bug the Outlook beta.
---------------------------------------------------------------
cvs diff -w addin.py (in directory C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000\)
Index: addin.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/addin.py,v
retrieving revision 1.65
diff -w -r1.65 addin.py
485a486
>         self.OnViewSwitch()





From barry at python.org  Mon Jun 23 03:03:21 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun Jun 22 22:03:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
In-Reply-To: <AD43E902-A4E4-11D7-B38B-00039345DE8C@email.com>
References: <AD43E902-A4E4-11D7-B38B-00039345DE8C@email.com>
Message-ID: <1056333812.20420.3.camel@geddy>

On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 15:06, Abhay Saxena wrote:

> The NotJunk flag itself comes from... Apple Mail.app? I haven't 
> bothered chasing this down myself, but have been meaning to.

Correct.  About 1/2 the time I read mail with Mail.app and I use its
junk mail feature (which is actually getting pretty good).  I used the
Junk folder for my spam training.

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Mon Jun 23 03:06:02 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun Jun 22 22:06:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206C8B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206C8B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1056333975.20420.5.camel@geddy>

On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:55, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> This seems to fit the behaviour.  I guess the correct behaviour is to
> check for a PERMANENTFLAGS response before appending the flags, and
> removing any flags that are in both sets.  The way to check this would
> be to see if 'NotJunk' is indeed missing from a PERMANENTFLAGS response
> (the -i4 switch is good for this).  If Barry feels like it he could
> patch this in, otherwise I'll try and get to it sometime.

Doubtful that I'll get to it soon.
-Barry



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Jun 23 13:33:27 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Jun 22 22:57:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Success Source Install from CVS on Outlook 2003 Beta 2
In-Reply-To: <20030623013149.JVAG24789.imf20aec.bellsouth.net@RA>
Message-ID: <000001c3392f$d4918aa0$530f8490@eden>

> With the small patch below, I've got the plugin working under 
> Outlook 2003
> Beta 2, with Window XP and Python 2.3.

Excellent!  Toolbars and all?

> I've noticed that Outlook crashes on exit. This happens when 
> ANY COM addin
> is loaded. It happens with SpamBayes, Spammunition, or the 
> plugin from the
> Compaq Ipaq install disc. Mostly likey a bug the Outlook beta.

That is good to know!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> cvs diff -w addin.py (in directory 
> C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000\)
> Index: addin.py
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/addin.py,v
> retrieving revision 1.65
> diff -w -r1.65 addin.py
> 485a486
> >         self.OnViewSwitch()

Can you please send a "diff -c" or "diff -u" patch?

Thanks,

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 23 16:11:56 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 22 23:12:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206D20@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > This seems to fit the behaviour.  I guess the correct 
> > behaviour is to check for a PERMANENTFLAGS response before
> > appending the flags, and removing any flags that are in both
> > sets.  The way to check this would 
> > be to see if 'NotJunk' is indeed missing from a PERMANENTFLAGS 
> > response (the -i4 switch is good for this).
[Barry]
> Doubtful that I'll get to it soon.

For the moment, I've checked in a change that means that imapfilter will
try to append without flags if they are causing a problem (a warning is
printed out).  This does mean that all flags (seen, draft, etc) will be
lost.  It would be interesting to know if this solves the problem.

The trouble with the PERMANENTFLAGS response checking is that it is
optional, not required, and usually sent with the folder information,
not along with the flag information, so it involves much more
complicated tracking.

In addition, if this flag is created/used by Mail.app, then I'm no
longer convinced that I have the source of the problem correctly
identified.  I presume that Mail.app acts only as a client, and not a
server, which means that a client *should* be able to set this flag.

If anyone has both time and access to a server that has messages with
this 'NotJunk' flag, then they could play around and figure out what the
rules about it are.

=Tony Meyer

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Mon Jun 23 00:17:05 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Sun Jun 22 23:18:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Success Source Install from CVS on Outlook 2003 Beta 2
In-Reply-To: <000001c3392f$d4918aa0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <20030623031748.VPUH16037.imf21aec.bellsouth.net@RA>

Yes, Toolbars work. However, The folder watching part seems broken. The
following is from the python trace collector....

---------snip----------
Executing automated tests...
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 326, in Tester
    tester.test(manager)
  File "C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 316, in test
    TestSpamFilter(driver)
  File "C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 187, in
TestSpamFilter
    TestFailed("The test message appeared to not be filtered")
  File "C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 27, in
TestFailed
    raise TestFailure(msg)
TestFailure: The test message appeared to not be filtered
Tests FAILED.  Sorry about that.  If I were you, I would do a full re-train
ASAP
Please delete any test messages from your Spam, Unsure or Inbox folders
first.
----------snip--------------

Clicking "filter now" moves the messages to the correct place. The Delete
and Recover buttons seem to work fine. The "Show Spam Clues" menu item works
(and it very nifty).

I've been poking around a little so this is not a clean as it should.

----

C:\spambayes\spambayes\Outlook2000>cvs diff -u addin.py
Index: addin.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/addin.py,v
retrieving revision 1.65
diff -u -r1.65 addin.py
--- addin.py    19 Jun 2003 23:47:40 -0000      1.65
+++ addin.py    23 Jun 2003 03:09:46 -0000
@@ -209,6 +209,7 @@
         #     PR_RECEIVED_BY_NAME
         #     PR_RECEIVED_BY_ENTRYID
         #     PR_TRANSPORT_MESSAGE_HEADERS
+        print "New message"
         msgstore_message = self.manager.message_store.GetMessage(item)
         if msgstore_message is not None:
             ProcessMessage(msgstore_message, self.manager)
@@ -220,6 +221,7 @@
         # now, we assume that if the calculated spam prob
         # was *not* certain-spam, or it is in the ham corpa,
         # then it should be trained as such.
+        print "Spam folder new message"
         if not self.manager.config.training.train_manual_spam:
             return
         msgstore_message = self.manager.message_store.GetMessage(item)
@@ -483,6 +485,7 @@
         self.have_setup_ui = False
         self.explorers_collection = explorers_collection
         self.toolbar = None
+        self.OnViewSwitch()

     def SetupUI(self):
         manager = self.manager


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Jun 23 00:41:18 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Jun 22 23:42:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great job!
In-Reply-To: <001401c34d58$f7111ae0$6401a8c0@dell420>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEIEELAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Richard Goldstein]
> I just got new laptop that came with Outlook.  Having just read
> about Spambayes I decided to give it a try.
>
> It is amazing.  I use I Hate Spam on my desktop and Spambayes is so
> much better.

Glad to hear it!  I never used any anti-spam gimmick before.  Maybe that's
why I wasn't willing to settle for crap <wink>.

> KUDOS man (men? Persons?)

There are about a dozen here who've contributed major work.  Post your home
address, and we'll drop by one at a time for dinner <wink>.

> And thank you(s).
>
> It's so easy & logical and solid that this actually temps me to go
> out and BUY another copy of Outlook (curse you Bill Gates) for my
> desktop!

Outlook is, in many respects, an excellent email client.  Unfortunately for
us, it turned out to be maddeningly hard to interface with programmatically.
OTOH, it turns out to be impossible to interface with many others, so we'll
take what we can get.  You could do a lot worse than Outlook!  If MS had any
marketing brains, they'd bundle spambayes with Outlook.  Then they'd get
rich like us <heh>.


From ark3 at email.com  Mon Jun 23 00:51:45 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Sun Jun 22 23:51:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206D20@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <021EAE05-A52E-11D7-B38B-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 11:11  PM, Meyer, Tony wrote:
>>> The way to check this would be to see if 'NotJunk' is indeed missing 
>>> from a PERMANENTFLAGS response (the -i4 switch is good for this).
> [Barry]
>> Doubtful that I'll get to it soon.
>
> For the moment, I've checked in a change that means that imapfilter 
> will try to append without flags if they are causing a problem (a 
> warning is printed out).  This does mean that all flags (seen, draft, 
> etc) will be lost.  It would be interesting to know if this solves the 
> problem.

I'll give both a spin in the next day or so (checking P...FLAGS and 
trying your modification).

> If anyone has both time and access to a server that has messages with 
> this 'NotJunk' flag, then they could play around and figure out what 
> the rules about it are.

I'll poke at this as well.

And thanks for correcting my misunderstanding about how flags are 
supposed to work. Obviously, I should read the RFC, especially if I am 
to contribute a patch that doesn't break things for other servers.

Should we move this discussion to -dev?

   - Abhay



From brian at bmthomas.com  Sun Jun 22 21:53:34 2003
From: brian at bmthomas.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Sun Jun 22 23:53:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] assist SpamBayes project
Message-ID: <000501c3393b$08eba320$0201a8c0@tank>


Hi,

I've been using SpamBayes for several months now and I think you have a
very strong product. I would like to offer any help, whether in testing or
documentation. Please let me know how I can assist.

Regards,
Brian Thomas, CCNA

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Jun 23 00:59:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Jun 23 00:01:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eliminating many malformed spams
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130207EB14@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEIGELAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tony Meyer]
> ...
> Spambayes should be stripping everything in comments when it tokenizes
> anyway (so that spammers can't put lots of 'good' words in comments).

Header tokenization is very different from body tokenization in spambayes.
That's one of the ways this differs from many other systems.  The
possibility of HTML tags in headers is utterly ignored in spambayes, since
they don't make any sense there.

However, unlike Steve, I've never seen any message with HTML in the
headers -- and I get about 600 emails per day and dig into every one of them
spambayes can't parse (I have no examples of that at all right now).

OTOH, I'm using Outlook, and I'm only seeing the headers in the
(undocumented) form that Outlook chooses to reveal them.  It could be that
my version of Outlook strips HTML from headers -- then I'd never know they
were there!

if-so-just-another-reason-to-upgrade-to-outlook<wink>-ly y'rs  - tim


From hastings at mathworks.com  Mon Jun 23 11:07:26 2003
From: hastings at mathworks.com (Bruce Hastings)
Date: Mon Jun 23 10:08:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Issues with sycning palms?
Message-ID: <7224B63940F10F40A48AC423597ADE57069FF1@MESSAGE-AH.ad.mathworks.com>

Hi,

I synced my Outlook with my Palm and during that time it blew away
Spambayes and at this time it will not re-install. Any idea or other
complaints about this?

Thanks,
Bruce Hastings - The MathWorks, Inc.
508-647-7202


From john.abel at pa.press.net  Mon Jun 23 17:08:55 2003
From: john.abel at pa.press.net (John Abel)
Date: Mon Jun 23 11:10:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamByes In A Multi-Computer/Account?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206C97@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206C97@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EF71807.60901@pa.press.net>

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>I'm not sure if anyone is using Pspam - it certainly hasn't seen much
>updating recently.  I'm not really sure what it offers that pop3proxy
>doesn't, except perhaps avoiding using different ports.
>
>Is there any reason why you don't want to use multiple ports?
>
>  
>
I'm lazy? :)  I'm using 3 machines, dragging mail off 7 POP3 accounts.  
I would prefer the shared DB, as I seem to get the majority of mail, 
it's more likely to stop dodgy content getting to my daughter's 
account.  After toying with POPFile, the idea of PSpam it just seemed 
easier to migrate my existing setup.  I may give it a whirl, and see 
what problems I come up against.

Thanks

John


From spichardo at transre.com  Mon Jun 23 13:17:45 2003
From: spichardo at transre.com (Pichardo, Socrates)
Date: Mon Jun 23 12:17:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay Beta candidate 6
Message-ID: <C7C299A48111E74F9A19A1D9D0248FDD076F27@NYMAIL7.transre.com>

Could I get the Beta candidate software? We would like to eval this product
in our network.

 

Socrates Pichardo

 



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From Michael.Otto at NielsenMedia.com  Mon Jun 23 14:32:22 2003
From: Michael.Otto at NielsenMedia.com (Otto, Michael)
Date: Mon Jun 23 13:33:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] "Show Spam Clues for Current Message" bug
Message-ID: <DF2B720CF774D21189EE00805FA7FA220AC25973@nmrusdunsx3.nielsenmedia.com>

Hi

I find if I open the "Show Spam Clues for Current Message" option on the
'Anti-Spam' option on my Outlook toolbar, to view the spam clues, when I
click the X close button, it prompts me to "Save Changes" two times!  Seems
that it opens the clues page twice, both of which seem to think there has
been some editing on them, hence the prompt for save.

This looks like a bug to me.

Otherwise, great product!

michael

From bkc at murkworks.com  Mon Jun 23 16:39:38 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Mon Jun 23 15:18:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
Message-ID: <3EF71F39.21872.7BC41A9D@localhost>

I just got this email, I'm not sure if it's spam or not. Are these guys legit?


-- forwarded --

Dear Brad:

You?re invited to a first-ever webcast interview that will give you 
exclusive insight into the mentality and tactics of today?s leading 
spammers.

"Interview with the Spammer"
*Sponsored by GroupLink and IntelliReach

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003
Time: 12:00 PM US Eastern
(other time zones - see the time zone converter link at the end of 
this email)

To sign-up for this webcast, go to:
http://www.intellireach.com/events/0625g.html

View the Privacy Policy:
http://www.intellireach.com/events/event_privacypolicy0625.html

In an interactive, 1 hour webcast interview with Ronald Scelson, 
nicknamed "The Cajun Spammer", you will learn:

- What techniques he uses to continuously evade anti-spam 
  solutions
- What users can do to stay one step ahead of spammers' changing 
  tactics
- How Scelson plans to prosper despite the growing number of 
  anti-spam technologies 
- His opinions on upcoming legislation and how spammers will do 
  business if passed

Attend this live webcast and you'll have a unique opportunity to ask
Ronald your specific questions during an interactive Q&A session.

Don't miss this unprecedented opportunity to hear the thoughts and 
opinions of a spammer responsible for sending millions of unsolicited
email messages per day.

To sign-up for this free webcast, go to:
http://www.intellireach.com/events/0625g.html

Sincerely,

Jared Lord
GroupLink


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-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements

From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Jun 23 17:24:03 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Jun 23 16:25:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
In-Reply-To: <3EF71F39.21872.7BC41A9D@localhost>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHMEKOGAAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Brad Clements]
> I just got this email, I'm not sure if it's spam or not. Are these
> guys legit?

> http://www.intellireach.com/events/0625g.html

What did your spambayes say?  Mine said it was ham.  I believe it more than
I believe myself these days.


From bkc at murkworks.com  Mon Jun 23 17:50:15 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Mon Jun 23 16:28:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHMEKOGAAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <3EF71F39.21872.7BC41A9D@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EF72FC6.3496.7C04BED5@localhost>

On 23 Jun 2003 at 16:24, Tim Peters wrote:

> [Brad Clements]
> > I just got this email, I'm not sure if it's spam or not. Are these
> > guys legit?
> 
> > http://www.intellireach.com/events/0625g.html
> 
> What did your spambayes say?  Mine said it was ham.  I believe it more than
> I believe myself these days.
> 

Er, well, um. I'm not running spambayes still.

You see, my MUA doesn't yet support spambayes. I've been working with the developer to 
get him to add the hooks I need. He says he will do it. So, just a matter of time.

Meanwhile I continue to save spam. 200+ a day and increasing. :-(





-- 
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http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Jun 23 16:42:54 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Jun 23 16:43:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
In-Reply-To: <3EF71F39.21872.7BC41A9D@localhost>
References: <3EF71F39.21872.7BC41A9D@localhost>
Message-ID: <16119.26190.609245.23256@montanaro.dyndns.org>


The Great Carnack knows all!  Here are the answers so you don't need to
waste your time on the webcast:

    Brad> In an interactive, 1 hour webcast interview with Ronald Scelson,
    Brad> nicknamed "The Cajun Spammer", you will learn:

    Brad> - What techniques he uses to continuously evade anti-spam 
    Brad>   solutions

He drives slowly around LA in a white Ford Explorer, thus distracting the
anti-spam community who are riveted to CNN or news.google.com.

    Brad> - What users can do to stay one step ahead of spammers' changing 
    Brad>   tactics

Walk faster.

    Brad> - How Scelson plans to prosper despite the growing number of 
    Brad>   anti-spam technologies 

Only a small fraction of gullible users will ever be able to effectively
block spam because they use not just proprietary MUAs, but MUAs which often
don't run on their computer, thus rendering them completely helpless.

    Brad> - His opinions on upcoming legislation and how spammers will do 
    Brad>   business if passed

He has a realtor looking for property in the Carribean now.

Skip

From lmcaulif at scsiweb.com  Mon Jun 23 17:46:06 2003
From: lmcaulif at scsiweb.com (Lawrence J. McAuliffe)
Date: Mon Jun 23 16:46:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000, SpamBayes, and multiple profiles
Message-ID: <000d01c339c8$7873c000$89fa4720@scsi0627>

Hello,

Have now installed SpamBayes on a second computer (Windows 2000,
Outlook 2000) but this one has two (2) separate Outlook profiles.
I wasn't thinking when I installed it and installed to only one.
However, the user apparently had the SpamBayes toolbar show up in
his second profile and began using it.  Now he seems to have
"Personal Folders" - with, of course, the Spam, Possible Spam,
and Inboxes - from one profile showing up in the other "Personal
Folders".  So . . .

Should I install SpamBayes in each individual profile?  And/or
should I assign unique names to the "Spam" and "Possible Spam"
folders.

I doesn't seem to be causing any problems right now, but . . .
Thanks,

Lawrence J. McAuliffe (Larry)
Systems Consulting Services, Inc.
5058 Dorsey Hall Drive Suite 202/203
Ellicott City MD 21042

Email:  mailto:lmcaulif@scsiweb.com
Voice:  (410) 730 - 4040 ext. 3111

Attachment(s):

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 24 10:18:17 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun 23 19:20:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000, SpamBayes, and multiple profiles
In-Reply-To: <000d01c339c8$7873c000$89fa4720@scsi0627>
Message-ID: <010801c339dd$bb3febb0$530f8490@eden>

> Have now installed SpamBayes on a second computer (Windows 2000,
> Outlook 2000) but this one has two (2) separate Outlook profiles.
> I wasn't thinking when I installed it and installed to only one.
> However, the user apparently had the SpamBayes toolbar show up in
> his second profile and began using it.  Now he seems to have
> "Personal Folders" - with, of course, the Spam, Possible Spam,
> and Inboxes - from one profile showing up in the other "Personal
> Folders".  So . . .
>
> Should I install SpamBayes in each individual profile?  And/or
> should I assign unique names to the "Spam" and "Possible Spam"
> folders.

The next version of the binary will support multiple profiles, with each
profile sharing a database, but specifying different state and folders to
watch.  Keep your eye on the -announce list for details - it should only be
a day or 2 - it depends on much my computer decides to like me today.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 24 10:19:28 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun 23 19:20:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] "Show Spam Clues for Current Message" bug
In-Reply-To: <DF2B720CF774D21189EE00805FA7FA220AC25973@nmrusdunsx3.nielsenmedia.com>
Message-ID: <010901c339dd$e5691290$530f8490@eden>

The fact that it opens twice is fixed in CVS, and will be in the next
binary.  The fact it prompts at all still eludes me.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Otto, Michael
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 3:32 AM
> To: 'Spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] "Show Spam Clues for Current Message" bug
>
>
> Hi
>
> I find if I open the "Show Spam Clues for Current Message"
> option on the
> 'Anti-Spam' option on my Outlook toolbar, to view the spam
> clues, when I
> click the X close button, it prompts me to "Save Changes" two
> times!  Seems
> that it opens the clues page twice, both of which seem to
> think there has
> been some editing on them, hence the prompt for save.
>
> This looks like a bug to me.
>
> Otherwise, great product!
>
> michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jun 24 10:21:50 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Jun 23 19:22:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Issues with sycning palms?
In-Reply-To: <7224B63940F10F40A48AC423597ADE57069FF1@MESSAGE-AH.ad.mathworks.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c339de$39fe5cc0$530f8490@eden>

> I synced my Outlook with my Palm and during that time it blew away
> Spambayes and at this time it will not re-install. Any idea or other
> complaints about this?

Nope - this is new.  Further, I personally use it with CE synchronization.
What do you mean by "blew away" and what was the problem attempting to
reinstall?

You may like to try following the instructions at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook20
00/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD, including details on how to file a
bug.

Thanks,

Mark.
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Jun 23 23:16:38 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Jun 23 22:17:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] assist SpamBayes project
In-Reply-To: <000501c3393b$08eba320$0201a8c0@tank>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEJJELAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Brian Thomas]
> I've been using SpamBayes for several months now and I think you have
> a very strong product. I would like to offer any help, whether in
> testing or documentation. Please let me know how I can assist.

Welcome!  It's an open source project, so just jump in at a place you feel
drawn to.  Everything is available from CVS on SourceForge, and patches can
be submitted to the spambayes patch manager on SourceForge.  If people agree
your patches have value, you'll get direct commit privileges.  Note that
spambayes development is discussed on a different mailing list:

    http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 15:50:07 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 23 23:12:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay Beta candidate 6
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FA8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Could I get the Beta candidate software? We would like to 
> eval this product in our network.

Anyone that is interested in the SpamAtBay beta should email Sean
directly.  He has posted release notes with <seant@iname.com> and
<seant@webreply.com>, so presumably either of those works.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 16:05:05 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 23 23:16:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] "Show Spam Clues for Current Message" bug
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FC3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I find if I open the "Show Spam Clues for Current Message" 
> option on the 'Anti-Spam' option on my Outlook toolbar, to 
> view the spam clues, when I click the X close button, it 
> prompts me to "Save Changes" two times!  Seems that it opens 
> the clues page twice, both of which seem to think there has 
> been some editing on them, hence the prompt for save.

What version of Outlook are you using?  I only get prompted once
(Outlook 2002 SP2), and I don't think I've seen this before.

Does it actually open two windows with the clues message?  i.e. if you
moved them about, you could see both of them?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 16:19:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 23 23:21:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FDC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I just got this email, I'm not sure if it's spam or not. Are 
> these guys legit?

I'm pretty sure that IntelliReach is legit, so I guess since the page is
on www.intellireach.com, it is.

As for whether it's spam, well, what's spam?  I presume it was
unsolicited, so maybe it is, but that doesn't make it legit.  The
definitive answer of whether it is spam is whether spambayes classified
it as such, anyway <wink>.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 16:21:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 23 23:22:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Er, well, um. I'm not running spambayes still.

Well there's your problem.  You wouldn't need to ask if you were ;)

> You see, my MUA doesn't yet support spambayes. I've been 
> working with the developer to 
> get him to add the hooks I need. He says he will do it. So, 
> just a matter of time.

Can you say what MUA it is?  If it's POP3/IMAP based then
pop3proxy/imapfilter should work.  Is it some sort of weird thing like
Exchange/Lotus Notes?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 16:25:02 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Jun 23 23:25:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000, SpamBayes, and multiple profiles
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FE5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Have now installed SpamBayes on a second computer (Windows 
> 2000, Outlook 2000) but this one has two (2) separate Outlook 
> profiles.

Are you using the binary installer?  Little thought went into multiple
profiles before that was released - on the other hand, the current
(source) version handles them much better (from what I understand).

It might be worth trying out the source version (the website has details
about how to install it; it's not that difficult) - either CVS or
alpha3.  If it is working, though, you might as well just wait until the
next binary is released.

=Tony Meyer

From johnm at narhex.com  Tue Jun 24 15:52:28 2003
From: johnm at narhex.com (John Majewski)
Date: Tue Jun 24 00:52:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshooting guide 
Message-ID: <000901c33a0c$6ac834b0$5134a4cb@narhex>

To who it may concern: 

I down loaded your Spam software, I have OUTLOOK XP, I rebooted the computer & nothing showed up indicating any form of SpamBayers window in the tool bar. Also I would have expected you to find your Troubleshooting guide on your information page were I got your e-mail address from, there is nothing. So Were do I connect up to your Troubleshooting guide? How can I get this anti spam working?

I'm looking forward to stop people making me offers to look younger or extend a key sensitive body part.


Many thanks
John Majewski
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 18:35:46 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 24 01:36:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshooting guide 
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022070B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Also I would have 
> expected you to find your Troubleshooting guide on your 
> information page were I got your e-mail address from, there 
> is nothing. So Were do I connect up to your Troubleshooting 
> guide?

The troubleshooting.html file was installed with Spambayes - it will be
in the docs directory in the directory that Spambayes was installed to.
It's normally accessible via the toolbar, but it's a good point that if
you are troubleshooting you might not be able to get to the toolbar!
I've updated the website to include a link to the "about" page and the
"troubleshooting" page for the Outlook plugin on the documentation
section of the website.

> How can I get this anti spam working?

The troubleshooting guide is the best place to start.  Note that there
are known problems with certain versions of Outlook - the "windows" page
on the website has details.  At least some of these should be fixed with
the next binary release (any day now).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Jun 24 18:45:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 24 01:45:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] assist SpamBayes project
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022070B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've been using SpamBayes for several months now and I think 
> you have a very strong product. I would like to offer any 
> help, whether in testing or documentation. Please let me know 
> how I can assist.

Welcome!  As Tim said, the best place to start is with whatever you are
interested in, or whichever Spambayes application you use (pop3proxy,
Outlook plugin, imapfilter, hammie...).

I presume since you said testing/documentation you aren't planning on
coding.  In that case, the easiest place to start would probably be to
write up (or amend an existing document) anything you had difficulty
doing.  Apart from that, feel free to go through what documentation
there currently is and suggest improvements - one that I'd personally
like to see at some point is a movement from the current readme, which
is really aimed at developers, to one for users.

Regarding testing, there are two main types of testing.  The first is to
simply use as many of the applications as is practicable, and report any
difficulties that arise (either bugs or ways things could improve).
Either discussion on the -dev list, or if you're confident, open an item
on the sf system (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes).

The other sort of testing is testing the various tokenizer/classifier
options.  If you're interested in this sort of testing that would be
great!  The idea is that you set up a set of ham/spam data in a standard
form, and then run a testing script over it with various options
set/unset.  There are instructions in the readme & in the archives, or
ask if you need help.  A good one to start with would be seeing if the
experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment option has a positive effect
for your corpus or not.

(Actually, to combine testing and documentation, you could write a
somewhat simpler "how to test an option/patch" document, based on the
information in the readme and elsewhere).

Anyway, those are some ideas, feel free to contibute in some completely
different way :)

=Tony Meyer

From govols at ellijay.com  Tue Jun 24 08:47:46 2003
From: govols at ellijay.com (Pat and Bill Key)
Date: Tue Jun 24 08:11:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] missing DLL file
Message-ID: <000801c33a46$6e29f0f0$0200000a@Chinquapin>

Installation gets to a certain point and then gives me a missing 
DLL file error message
From rbell at hcdemocrat.com  Tue Jun 24 10:25:21 2003
From: rbell at hcdemocrat.com (Bell, Robert)
Date: Tue Jun 24 09:25:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <7DE2DEA4406E2F4CA32EAD4B9C6C9882084260@et-prod5.express-times.net>

I'm using version 1.0a3 with python 2.2.3 (not the binary installer) on
Windows 2000 Pro sp3 with Outlook 2002 sp2 pulling mail from an Exchange
2000 server. No problems so far.

From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue Jun 24 11:55:31 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue Jun 24 10:34:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EF82E23.13317.7FE6555A@localhost>

On 24 Jun 2003 at 15:21, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > Er, well, um. I'm not running spambayes still.
> 
> Well there's your problem.  You wouldn't need to ask if you were ;)

I wasn't asking if the message was spam, I was asking of anyone else got the same 
message and if the "spammer" they're going to interview is "real". Of course, I didn't 
say any of that in the OP :-(


> > You see, my MUA doesn't yet support spambayes. I've been 
> > working with the developer to 
> > get him to add the hooks I need. He says he will do it. So, 
> > just a matter of time.
> 
> Can you say what MUA it is?  If it's POP3/IMAP based then
> pop3proxy/imapfilter should work.  Is it some sort of weird thing like
> Exchange/Lotus Notes?

I'm using a "free" MUA, Pegasus Mail.

http://www.pmail.com



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From mkl at wra.org  Tue Jun 24 11:34:02 2003
From: mkl at wra.org (L'Herault, Mitch)
Date: Tue Jun 24 11:40:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug
Message-ID: <21773946A370B14EA079D03E95F4EF1862B250@WRA_EXCH.wra.org>

Rave reviews at my company for the Outlook adddin of this terrific stuff.
 
Here is the rub.  I decided that it would be a good idea to change the local
Spam folder to a folder in our public folders on our exchange filter.  Then
eventually keep the possible spam on the local machine and dumb all the spam
to this folder on the network public folders.
It actually works really well, but I found that when I try to point the spam
folder to a different locaction in the configuration that it doesnt' display
anything in the browse window.  
I uninstalled the addin on a local machine throught the windows OS
uninstall/install program. Then installed the plugin again but it's still
hosed?
 
I'm probably not removing everthing with the uninstall.  Any suggestions?
 
 

********************************************************************** 
Mitch L'Herault 
Network Administrator 
Wisconsin REALTORS Association 
4801 Forest Run Road 
Madison, WI     53704 
(608) 241-2047 

 
From akamphuis at sagestone.com  Tue Jun 24 12:54:16 2003
From: akamphuis at sagestone.com (Aaron Kamphuis)
Date: Tue Jun 24 11:55:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <AE9E49BD98FA424CBAC0D14DF936CE5C5F0424@einstein.sagestone.com>

I'd like to volunteer to assist with the testing of your app in the
outlook 2003 environment.  

 

 

I currently use a Compaq TC1000 Tablet Pc with outlook 2003 beta 2.  Our
email server is Exchange 2000.  If you all are interested and your app
is ready for testing just send me your bits with instructions for
sending issues.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Aaron Kamphuis

Chief Technology Officer

Sagestone Incorporated

618 Kenmoor Ave SE

Suite 200

Grand Rapids, MI.,  49546

(616) 954.9556

(616) 954.7970 (Fax)

 

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From pico at burgiss.com  Tue Jun 24 14:02:13 2003
From: pico at burgiss.com (Pico Nazzaro)
Date: Tue Jun 24 13:06:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] compatibility notes
Message-ID: <E07481EAD270D711B7AC006008378FD401DC1C@WILLOW>

I installed the Spambayes filter on my machine which is W2k and Outlook
2002, one of your "unknown compatibility" combinations. So far, I've noticed
one odd thing. I have Outlook rules set up to move messages to other folders
if they match a rule. After installing the Spambayes Outlook add-in, the
messages get copied instead of moved.
 
Otherwise, it seems to work fine!
From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jun 24 13:39:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Jun 24 13:39:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] compatibility notes
In-Reply-To: <E07481EAD270D711B7AC006008378FD401DC1C@WILLOW>
References: <E07481EAD270D711B7AC006008378FD401DC1C@WILLOW>
Message-ID: <16120.36068.542756.643027@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Pico> I installed the Spambayes filter on my machine which is W2k and
    Pico> Outlook 2002, one of your "unknown compatibility" combinations....

Thanks for the report.  Did you use the binary installer or install the
various pieces manually?

Skip

From dlandry at guttmacher.org  Tue Jun 24 17:49:38 2003
From: dlandry at guttmacher.org (Landry, David)
Date: Tue Jun 24 16:55:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great product but...
Message-ID: <2FF02D6FA969D511977100306E0793AC012A2FB2@AGI-NY8>

SpamBayes is one of the best software programs I have ever used!

However the verion I downloaded two weeks ago at:

http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/

 

has a serious bug.  When we open a message and close it the message envelop
icon indicates the message is still unopened.  It is only after we open the
message a second time that the highlighting is turned off and the icon shows
an open rather than closed envelop.  This happens for every single message.

 

We are running SpamBayes on Win 2000 Clients with Outlook 2002, under
Exchange 5.5.  We have documented this on more than one PC and I believe
also in a slightly different environment.

 

I would like to deploy SpamBayes more widely and when it is bug free I would
gladly pay for it.  But until this bug is fixed we are stuck.  Any
suggestions would be appreciated, I'd love it, if there was some minor tweak
on our end that we could do to solve the problem.

 

Sincerely,

 

David J. Landry 
Senior Research Associate 
Manager of Information Technology 
The Alan Guttmacher Institute 
120 Wall Street, 21st Floor 
New York, NY 10005-3904 
(212) 248-1111 ext. 2281 
Fax: (212) 248-1951 
dlandry@guttmacher.org 
http://www.guttmacher.org <http://www.guttmacher.org/>  

 

 

From ladonna at bowenhunsaker.com  Tue Jun 24 12:14:20 2003
From: ladonna at bowenhunsaker.com (LaDonna Keawe'ehu)
Date: Tue Jun 24 17:22:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] All Other Problems
Message-ID: <C9B66A8E9A2FD5118D5A0048541D37D30DFAC5@BOWENHUNSAKER01>

Aloha -

I followed your trouble-shooting guide, for when SpamBayes doesn't load (I
installed the binary .exe plug in).  The SpamBayes COM add-in is listed, but
every time I put a checkmark in the box, it doesn't add it.  I tried
shutting down Outlook, tried restarting my computer (thinking I'd have to do
that to incorporate the changes) - nothing.  Everytime I look at the COM
add-ins, SB is listed, but not checked.  Any ideas?  There's no log that I
can find, either...

The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential and is
intended only for the designated recipient(s). This e-mail message may be an
accountant-client communication and, as such, is privileged and
confidential. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended
recipient (or the person responsible for the delivery of this e-mail message
to an intended recipient), you are hereby notified that you have received
this document in error, and that any reuse, review, printing, dissemination,
distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have
received this e-mail message in error, please reply to the sender that you
have received the message in error and delete it without printing it or
making any copies of it. Thank you.



From Admin at hospitalityinc.com  Tue Jun 24 15:56:13 2003
From: Admin at hospitalityinc.com (Rick Hahn)
Date: Tue Jun 24 17:56:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIX THE 2003 NO ICONS ISSUE
Message-ID: <875C80A96060D111A9CA00A0C92D3E2201352AD0@NTSERVER.HOSPITALITY_INC.COM>

THANKS

Rick Hahn
IT Manager
Hospitality Inc.

Ph. 858.547.3787 ext 3221
Fax 858.547.3777
Cell 619.279.0651

Visit our website at www.FestivitiesCatering.com

 
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
From robert.flaugher at ngc.com  Tue Jun 24 16:26:10 2003
From: robert.flaugher at ngc.com (Flaugher, Robert)
Date: Tue Jun 24 18:26:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] But will SpamBayes stop...
Message-ID: <5522639C61828C428B7CDB5F44EDA49801E11FFF@MBSP00.services.sp.trw.com>


We get a great deal of pornographic spam which is entirely an image file.  All of the text is a part of the image.  Will SpamBayes stop that?

Robert Flaugher
Software Engineer
e-Business Systems and Web Services Group
Northrop Grumman Information Technology
310-813-5412
robert.flaugher@ngc.com

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Tue Jun 24 19:44:22 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Tue Jun 24 18:45:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] But will SpamBayes stop...
In-Reply-To: <5522639C61828C428B7CDB5F44EDA49801E11FFF@MBSP00.services.sp.trw.com>
Message-ID: <20030624224502.BWPG6.imf22aec.bellsouth.net@RA>

I get a lot of that too, or did. Spambayes stops it very effectively by
using the headers. I never see them any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
Behalf Of Flaugher, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:26 PM
To: SpamBayes@python.org


We get a great deal of pornographic spam which is entirely an image file.
All of the text is a part of the image.  Will SpamBayes stop that?

Robert Flaugher
Software Engineer
e-Business Systems and Web Services Group
Northrop Grumman Information Technology
310-813-5412
robert.flaugher@ngc.com

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Tue Jun 24 19:45:28 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Tue Jun 24 18:46:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] More info on Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <20030624224609.BWZE6.imf22aec.bellsouth.net@RA>

After placing a large amount of print statements in Spambayes and win32all,
I can only say what you guys already know. The addin and command buttons
receive events, but the explorers and items collection do not receive events
under Outlook 2003. And I have no idea why.

In certain places the fully qualified names change a bit, for example...
OnConnection <win32com.gen_py.Microsoft Outlook 11.0 Object
Library._Application instance at 0x91161664>
folder <win32com.gen_py.Microsoft Outlook 11.0 Object Library.MAPIFolder
instance at 0x95497672>
<win32com.gen_py.Microsoft Outlook 11.0 Object Library._Items instance at
0x95533656>
win32com.gen_py.00062FFF-0000-0000-C000-000000000046x0x9x1.ItemsEvents.Items
Events
...and my personal fav...
win32com.gen_py.None.Explorer

I don't know if that is normal or what.
Also attempting to trap events (like OnNewMail or OnNewMailEx) on the
Application object crashes Outlook.

So, grabbing the trusty roll of duct-tape, I put some code at the end of
OnStartupComplete to call the ProcessMissedMessages method every 30 seconds
using the threading.Timer class. I know it's a hack, but it works pretty
good so far, until someone can figure out how to make OL2k3 pump events
properly. I need to get the source code returned to a more "normal" state
and dress the thing up a little more (options, checking item counts) and
submit a patch if no one objects.

---
Adam Walker
adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com
naw@bellsouth.net



From rick at drinknow.net  Tue Jun 24 17:22:06 2003
From: rick at drinknow.net (Rick Gregory)
Date: Tue Jun 24 19:22:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great product but...
In-Reply-To: <2FF02D6FA969D511977100306E0793AC012A2FB2@AGI-NY8>
Message-ID: <BB1E2B2E.9AC3%rick@drinknow.net>

I can't speak to your problem since I run this on OS X, but try the A3
version at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download.html, or even the A2
version at the same location.

In the future, I'd recommend downloading from the official site simply so
you know all the file are in order and the proper verisons.


On 6/24/03 1:49 PM, "Landry, David" <dlandry@guttmacher.org> wrote:

> SpamBayes is one of the best software programs I have ever used!
> 
> However the verion I downloaded two weeks ago at:
> 
> http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/
> 
> 
> 
> has a serious bug.  When we open a message and close it the message envelop
> icon indicates the message is still unopened.  It is only after we open the
> message a second time that the highlighting is turned off and the icon shows
> an open rather than closed envelop.  This happens for every single message.
> 
> 
> 
> We are running SpamBayes on Win 2000 Clients with Outlook 2002, under
> Exchange 5.5.  We have documented this on more than one PC and I believe
> also in a slightly different environment.
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to deploy SpamBayes more widely and when it is bug free I would
> gladly pay for it.  But until this bug is fixed we are stuck.  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated, I'd love it, if there was some minor tweak
> on our end that we could do to solve the problem.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> 
> David J. Landry 
> Senior Research Associate
> Manager of Information Technology
> The Alan Guttmacher Institute
> 120 Wall Street, 21st Floor
> New York, NY 10005-3904
> (212) 248-1111 ext. 2281
> Fax: (212) 248-1951
> dlandry@guttmacher.org
> http://www.guttmacher.org <http://www.guttmacher.org/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 


From wk at health-options.net  Tue Jun 24 19:14:00 2003
From: wk at health-options.net (Wolfram Kasemir)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:14:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Netscape
Message-ID: <3EF8E948.B9463369@health-options.net>

Do you have a version of Spambayes for Netscape?


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jun 24 20:26:00 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:26:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Netscape
In-Reply-To: <3EF8E948.B9463369@health-options.net>
References: <3EF8E948.B9463369@health-options.net>
Message-ID: <16120.60440.53712.269158@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Wolfram> Do you have a version of Spambayes for Netscape?

No, however I thought I heard once upon a time that the Bayesian filter
implemented for Mozilla used the Spambayes algorithm.  A quick Google check
suggests they implemented Paul Graham's original algorithm.  Look here:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/related.html

then click through to here:

    http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/spam.html

Looking through that pages and the pages it links to I didn't see any
indication they implemented anything other than Graham's original algorithm.

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Jun 25 13:30:58 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:31:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Netscape
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022072A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>     Wolfram> Do you have a version of Spambayes for Netscape?
[Skip]
> No
[...]

When Skip says No, he means Yes <wink>.  Netscape mail is POP3/IMAP
based, right?  In that case you can use Spambayes pop3proxy or
imapfilter just as happily as a Eudora (etc) user.  There's no fancy
integration like with Outlook, but it still does the job.

Note that Netscape refused to run on my old machine, so I haven't
actually tested this.  I have used Mozilla's mail, though, so I assume
it would be similar.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun 25 11:31:12 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:31:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great product but...
In-Reply-To: <BB1E2B2E.9AC3%rick@drinknow.net>
Message-ID: <046b01c33ab1$151891e0$530f8490@eden>

> I can't speak to your problem since I run this on OS X, but try the A3
> version at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download.html, or
> even the A2
> version at the same location.

Note that you are referring to source-code versions.

> In the future, I'd recommend downloading from the official
> site simply so
> you know all the file are in order and the proper verisons.

The site below *is* the official site for Outlook binaries.

The original bug has been reported, but is certainly not seen by the
majority of users.  I can not reproduce it, so am not sure how to start
trying to solve it.

Mark.

> On 6/24/03 1:49 PM, "Landry, David" <dlandry@guttmacher.org> wrote:
>
> > SpamBayes is one of the best software programs I have ever used!
> >
> > However the verion I downloaded two weeks ago at:
> >
> > http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/
> >
> >
> >
> > has a serious bug.  When we open a message and close it the
> message envelop
> > icon indicates the message is still unopened.  It is only
> after we open the
> > message a second time that the highlighting is turned off
> and the icon shows
> > an open rather than closed envelop.  This happens for every
> single message.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are running SpamBayes on Win 2000 Clients with Outlook
> 2002, under
> > Exchange 5.5.  We have documented this on more than one PC
> and I believe
> > also in a slightly different environment.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to deploy SpamBayes more widely and when it is
> bug free I would
> > gladly pay for it.  But until this bug is fixed we are stuck.  Any
> > suggestions would be appreciated, I'd love it, if there was
> some minor tweak
> > on our end that we could do to solve the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> > David J. Landry
> > Senior Research Associate
> > Manager of Information Technology
> > The Alan Guttmacher Institute
> > 120 Wall Street, 21st Floor
> > New York, NY 10005-3904
> > (212) 248-1111 ext. 2281
> > Fax: (212) 248-1951
> > dlandry@guttmacher.org
> > http://www.guttmacher.org <http://www.guttmacher.org/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Spambayes mailing list
> > Spambayes@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun 25 11:34:30 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:35:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] All Other Problems
In-Reply-To: <C9B66A8E9A2FD5118D5A0048541D37D30DFAC5@BOWENHUNSAKER01>
Message-ID: <046c01c33ab1$8b1f42d0$530f8490@eden>

If you are using Outlook 2002 or later, try the instructions in the online
version of the troubleshooting document -
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook20
00/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD - there are some comments on how to
re-enable in Outlook 2002.

Mark.


> I followed your trouble-shooting guide, for when SpamBayes
> doesn't load (I
> installed the binary .exe plug in).  The SpamBayes COM add-in
> is listed, but
> every time I put a checkmark in the box, it doesn't add it.  I tried
> shutting down Outlook, tried restarting my computer (thinking
> I'd have to do
> that to incorporate the changes) - nothing.  Everytime I look
> at the COM
> add-ins, SB is listed, but not checked.  Any ideas?  There's
> no log that I
> can find, either...
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message is
> confidential and is
> intended only for the designated recipient(s). This e-mail
> message may be an
> accountant-client communication and, as such, is privileged and
> confidential. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended
> recipient (or the person responsible for the delivery of this
> e-mail message
> to an intended recipient), you are hereby notified that you
> have received
> this document in error, and that any reuse, review, printing,
> dissemination,
> distribution or copying of this message is strictly
> prohibited. If you have
> received this e-mail message in error, please reply to the
> sender that you
> have received the message in error and delete it without
> printing it or
> making any copies of it. Thank you.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun 25 11:40:27 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:41:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000, SpamBayes, and multiple profiles
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302206FE5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <047d01c33ab2$5fe21e70$530f8490@eden>

> > Have now installed SpamBayes on a second computer (Windows 
> > 2000, Outlook 2000) but this one has two (2) separate Outlook 
> > profiles.
> 
> Are you using the binary installer?  Little thought went into multiple
> profiles before that was released - on the other hand, the current
> (source) version handles them much better (from what I understand).

Unfortunately, that is not quite true - to get good profile support from the
source-code version, you would also need to be building win32all from CVS
sources; currently released win32all versions can not determine the current
profile name.

The next binary I release will have the up-to-date code that can detect
this.

Mark.
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun 25 11:41:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun 24 20:42:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshooting guide
In-Reply-To: <000901c33a0c$6ac834b0$5134a4cb@narhex>
Message-ID: <048301c33ab2$921bf000$530f8490@eden>

> I down loaded your Spam software, I have OUTLOOK XP, I
> rebooted the computer & nothing showed up indicating any form
> of SpamBayers window in the tool bar. Also I would have
> expected you to find your Troubleshooting guide on your
> information page were I got your e-mail address from, there
> is nothing. So Were do I connect up to your Troubleshooting
> guide? How can I get this anti spam working?
>
> I'm looking forward to stop people making me offers to look
> younger or extend a key sensitive body part.

We should have a link to the troubleshooting guide on the main pages, I
agree.

For now, simply open "about.html" in the SpamBayes directory, and follow the
obvious link.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Jun 25 11:36:54 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Jun 24 21:07:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug
In-Reply-To: <21773946A370B14EA079D03E95F4EF1862B250@WRA_EXCH.wra.org>
Message-ID: <046d01c33ab1$e1a6c010$530f8490@eden>


> Here is the rub.  I decided that it would be a good idea to
> change the local
> Spam folder to a folder in our public folders on our exchange
> filter.  Then
> eventually keep the possible spam on the local machine and
> dumb all the spam
> to this folder on the network public folders.
> It actually works really well, but I found that when I try to
> point the spam
> folder to a different locaction in the configuration that it
> doesnt' display
> anything in the browse window.

I expect that you would see an error in the log file in this case.  See the
troubleshooting guide for info on extracting the log.

> I uninstalled the addin on a local machine throught the windows OS
> uninstall/install program. Then installed the plugin again
> but it's still
> hosed?
>
> I'm probably not removing everthing with the uninstall.  Any
> suggestions?

Delete the file "\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck" - this will reset all folder and
option settings (but not affect your database)

Mark.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Jun 24 22:11:50 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Jun 24 21:12:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] But will SpamBayes stop...
In-Reply-To: <5522639C61828C428B7CDB5F44EDA49801E11FFF@MBSP00.services.sp.trw.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEKMELAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Flaugher, Robert]
> We get a great deal of pornographic spam which is entirely an image
> file.

Really?  I never see any like that.  I expect it's really a small HTML
message with a URL pointing to an image file on the net.  This isn't an
empty distinction, because spambayes can see, tokenize, and score the URL
pointing to the image file.

> All of the text is a part of the image.  Will SpamBayes stop that?

There's no guarantee that spambayes will stop anything.  In my experience it
does quite well at stopping the kind of message I described above, although
I believe such messages have a better chance at scoring Unsure than messages
with spammy text.  You have to understand that spambayes doesn't try to
"stop spam":  it tries to distinguish ham from spam.  A message with nothing
in it but a URL doesn't have any hammy content, so at best such messages
tend to score Unsure.  The components of the URL usually looky spammy then,
and the email header lines (which all email messages have -- comes with the
terrority) are usually enough to nail it as spam.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Jun 25 14:13:37 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 24 21:14:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great product but...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022072D0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > When we open a message and close it the message envelope
> > icon indicates the message is still unopened.

> The original bug has been reported, but is certainly not seen 
> by the majority of users.  I can not reproduce it, so am not 
> sure how to start trying to solve it.

Is this the same as the bug where messages flick back to unread?

If so, I'm trying to solve this, but it's slow going.  I get this, but
not with every message, and I can't reproduce it 'on call'.  Now that
there is code to deal with the read status of a message, I should get it
eventually...

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Jun 25 14:18:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Jun 24 21:19:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] But will SpamBayes stop...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022072D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> [Flaugher, Robert]
> > We get a great deal of pornographic spam which is entirely an image 
> > file.

[Tim] 
> Really?  I never see any like that.  I expect it's really a 
> small HTML message with a URL pointing to an image file on 
> the net.  This isn't an empty distinction, because spambayes 
> can see, tokenize, and score the URL pointing to the image file.

Note that if it is a message with a URL, then there is a potential
solution for this with the url following code (testtools/urlslurper.py).
There wasn't much in the way of testing results (mine only?) and some
question about the approach, so it's never been added to the main code,
but it could be, if this does become more common.

If it is actually an image, I was thinking the other day about adding
some tokens based on images.  Even relatively simple things like
checksums can be used to distinguish messages, so there might be a way
to tokenize the content of the image without taking too long.  (I then
gave up on the idea because I have too much to do already and extremely
few examples of this sort of spam, and because I don't have *any*
examples of ham like this).

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Jun 24 22:38:15 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Jun 24 21:38:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] But will SpamBayes stop...
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022072D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEKPELAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Meyer, Tony]
> Note that if it is a message with a URL, then there is a potential
> solution for this with the url following code (testtools/urlslurper.py).
> There wasn't much in the way of testing results (mine only?) and some
> question about the approach, so it's never been added to the main code,
> but it could be, if this does become more common.

I agree that was an interesting idea.  My classifiers do such a good job of
sparing me spam, though, that I have no personal motivation to test any
ideas anymore; and since testing stopped being part of my day job, it would
have to come out of spare time, of which there's approximately none.  I
still study high- and low-scoring Unsures on the wrong end, and check in
changes when they reveal a clear flaw in the tokenizer.  That seems to lead
to two checkins per year <wink>.

Note that the OP said the text was part of the image.

> If it is actually an image, I was thinking the other day about adding
> some tokens based on images.  Even relatively simple things like
> checksums can be used to distinguish messages, so there might be a way
> to tokenize the content of the image without taking too long.

I don't follow.  Extracting text from, say, .jpeg or .gif or .png files,
isn't a matter of checksumming.  Perhaps the idea is to checksum the entire
image, synthesizing a token from that in order to catch duplicate images
across spams?

> (I then gave up on the idea because I have too much to do already and
> extremely few examples of this sort of spam, and because I don't have
> *any* examples of ham like this).

I bet you'll find more examples of this sort of spam than you suspect you
have if you dig into your *correctly* classified spam msgs.  You'll find
examples of ham like this if you become Asian <wink>:  legit commerical
Asian ham sometimes just includes a URL because they can't rely on
American-written browsers to display their character sets correctly.


From broussard at primus.com.au  Wed Jun 25 23:10:59 2003
From: broussard at primus.com.au (Christine Broussard)
Date: Wed Jun 25 08:14:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] cannot start 
Message-ID: <000901c33b12$dda47aa0$b303fea9@chris>

Hi

I successfully downloaded, with no button on the task bar.  I followed your instructions to goto COM add-Ins where the Spam Bayed addin is listed but not ticked.  I tried to tick the box, but each time I close the dialogue box it comes back as unticked again.

Can you help?  (Win 98 and Outlook 2000).

Thanks

Cam

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From lmcaulif at scsiweb.com  Wed Jun 25 14:20:15 2003
From: lmcaulif at scsiweb.com (Lawrence J. McAuliffe)
Date: Wed Jun 25 13:20:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Case Sensitivity
Message-ID: <003801c33b3e$0be82440$89fa4720@scsi0627>

Hello,

Just installed SpamBayes on the third computer in the office
(other two are working fine!) and noticed what I'd consider an
anomaly:  When setting the user defined "Spam" field in the Spam
& Possible Spam folder the percentages would not display.  Since
they did in the other installations, I started looking.  The only
thing that I could come up with is that on THIS computer, I set
the field header to "SPAM"; all uppercase.  When I changed it to
"Spam" mixed case, the percentages magically appeared.

We don't use these fields too often and so have minimal
experience with 'em.  Consequently I have to ask:  Is case
sensitivity expected behavior?
Thanks,

Lawrence J. McAuliffe (Larry)
Systems Consulting Services, Inc.
5058 Dorsey Hall Drive Suite 202/203
Ellicott City MD 21042

Email:  mailto:lmcaulif@scsiweb.com
Voice:  (410) 730 - 4040 ext. 3111

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From edrubins at mindspring.com  Wed Jun 25 17:03:00 2003
From: edrubins at mindspring.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Wed Jun 25 16:03:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora 5.1 and Windoze
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030625152334.00ac45f0@localhost>

Last March  tony-bayes at lownds.com wrote:
         >> Eudora can't use a different port for different accounts, they all
         >> have to use port 110. With a plugin, a port other than 110 can be
         >> used - but it is still used across accounts.

Actually Eudora can be configured to support multiple pop and smtp servers 
on different localhost ports - at least on Windows. You just can't do it 
from the Tools->Options menu. Eudora reads an Windows like ini file, 
eudora.ini, at startup. The format of this file is documented in the help 
files. Open Help-Topics, click on index and search on eudora.ini.

Under W2K (at least) eudora.ini is either in the eudora install directory 
or in the user's settings directory  depending on how you installed Eudora 
(C:\Documents and Settings\userid\Application 
Data\Qualcomm\Eudora\eudora.ini on my system.)

This is how to configure Eudora 5.1 and Spambayes under Windoze. Caution: 
make two copies of eudora.ini - eudora.orig and eudora.new, for example. 
Edit eudora.new. Close Eudora and copy the edited eudora.new to eudora.ini 
and then re-start eudora. If you need to go back to your original settings 
until you get it working with Spambayes, just close Eudora, copy 
eudora.orig to eudora.ini and restart Eudora.

Configure pop3proxy for each of Eudora's personalitiess' pop servers, 
specifying a separate port for each. I used 1110, 1120, 1130 and 1140 for 
the four personalities I have in Eudora. Do the same for smtpproxy - again 
I used 1115, 1125, 1135 and 1145.

To configure Eudora:
         Close Eudora.
         In eudora.new (or whatever you called it) find the section 
starting with [Settings]. This contains settings for the dominant personality.
         Find the line beggining POPAccount. The last part of the account 
name starting with '@' is the server. Change it to @localhost.
         Find the lines beggining SMTPServer and POPServer. They will have 
the server names defined for your dominant personality.
         Change both server names to localhost
         Add the following two lines. Use whatever ports you assigned to 
pop3proxy and smtpproxy for the dominant personality.
                 POPPort=1110
                 SMTPPort=1115

Setting for other personalities are kept in sections begging with 
[Persona-personality_name]. For each personality make the same changes as 
you made for the dominant personality, substituting the proper port numbers.

Copy eudora.new to eudora.ini and re-start Eudora. In the password dialog 
for each personality you should see localhost where you used to see the 
actual server name. You should see the X-Spambayes headers which you can 
filter on. In the web interface (localhost:8880) clicking in the Review 
messages link should show all message processed by Spambayes.

Hope this helps.





From thomson at cps.cmich.edu  Wed Jun 25 17:47:52 2003
From: thomson at cps.cmich.edu (Ron Thomson)
Date: Wed Jun 25 16:47:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Added platform - Win Server2003
Message-ID: <3EFA0A78.6080600@cps.cmich.edu>

Running nicely on my Windows Server 2003 machines since last Friday 
(20Aug03) when I loaded the Win binary (002) release with no fuss. 
Still training since I'm behind a network filter which catches about 50% 
of the worst messages, slowing recognition quite substantially.  This 
approach seems to have real value for the future - THANKS.

Ron Thomson
Central Michigan University
Computer Center 421 Pearce
Mt Pleasant, MI 48859


From EMChambers at aghlc.com  Wed Jun 25 16:48:12 2003
From: EMChambers at aghlc.com (Elizabeth M. Chambers)
Date: Wed Jun 25 16:53:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook Plugin
Message-ID: <E0213FC015F833439760290D1407A0558D7B32@ares.agh.aghlc.com>

I know this sounds like a silly question but is SpamBayes free for
corporations?  We have about 100 users and would like to install it on
most of them. 
 
I have had a couple of problems with the SpamBayes program but otherwise
have been very happy with it.
Just FYI the problems I have had are the following
1-I have had to reinstall it a couple of time because it stops loading
2-Filtering has changed back to disabled by itself
From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jun 25 17:48:13 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Jun 25 17:48:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook Plugin
In-Reply-To: <E0213FC015F833439760290D1407A0558D7B32@ares.agh.aghlc.com>
References: <E0213FC015F833439760290D1407A0558D7B32@ares.agh.aghlc.com>
Message-ID: <16122.6301.799839.816499@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Elizabeth> I know this sounds like a silly question but is SpamBayes
    Elizabeth> free for corporations?  We have about 100 users and would
    Elizabeth> like to install it on most of them.

Yup, it's free.

Skip

From grit at kammco-msc.com  Wed Jun 25 17:59:58 2003
From: grit at kammco-msc.com (Andy Grittman)
Date: Wed Jun 25 17:58:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook Addin for Outlook 2000 on Win98
Message-ID: <000a01c33b65$1f798860$681f010a@andyLaptop>

Hello, I read about your project and software in Infoworld and am attempting to install your software.  I ran the binary installer and did not get the spam button on my Outlook toolbar.  I am running Outlook 2000 on Win98SE.  I went to send in a bug report and noticed that it said that the installer did not work on WIN98.  I thought that I was a fairly sharp individual, but I do not have a clue how to install the software using the other method.  I understand that I have to download the proper version of python and then the source files but I cannot find any versions of python or the source code.  Could you please send me the "idiots guide" version on how to make everything work with maybe some links to download the software.  Thanks for your help, I am anxious to try your product.
Andy Grittman
(Although this was sent using OE, I use outlook as my mail client)
From dale at daledude.com  Wed Jun 25 21:31:03 2003
From: dale at daledude.com (Dale Dude)
Date: Wed Jun 25 20:31:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with 002 installer on Windows
Message-ID: <MCEOIILMMIJHLDALHANEEEBAFPAA.dale@daledude.com>

Hi,

Major Kudos for this project! I just installed it and other than a small
install glitch things seemed to go well. I'm hoping for the best during
usage.

The glitch is the installer says it fails to register spambayes_addin.dll
and offers Abort/Retry/Ignore. Pressing Retry numerous times produces the
same error. I went to the install folder (C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook
Addin) and manually registered (regsvr32) the .dll and then clicked Ignore.
All else went fine while following the nice about.html supplied.

My System:
Win XP PRO SP1 (NTFS)
Outlook 2000 SP3
Pentium 4 2.4ghz
512meg RAM

Regards,
Dale

P.S. Is there a procedure to follow on updating the software? Possibly from
CVS?


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 15:28:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 25 22:29:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with 002 installer on Windows
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207648@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> P.S. Is there a procedure to follow on updating the software? 
> Possibly from CVS?

You have three options:

(a) You can use the CVS version.  This means you don't get the nice
installer, but then it's not all that difficult to install anyway.  You
can then update via CVS and always be up to date.

(b) You can use the source release versions.  (i.e. alpha3 at the
moment)

(c) You can get each binary as it is released.

(b) doesn't really have much going for it.  (c) has the advantage that
you can be reasonably certain that there are no (major) bugs, and that
the release is well tested.  (a) has the advantage that you can get
improvements as soon as they are made (especially important if there is
a big delay between releases as is the case now), but the disadvantage
that cvs code could quite easily be buggy.

If you go the (a) way, then it's probably a good idea to subscribe to
the check-in list so that you can see what updates are made, and maybe
even flick through the -dev list occasionally.  If you go the (b) or (c)
way, then you should subscribe to the -announce list, as messages will
be posted there when new releases are available.  (Details about the
lists are on the website).

Hope this is of use.

=Tony Meyer

From ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 26 15:37:00 2003
From: ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Jun 25 22:37:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Spambayes in the Australian press
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212AA3E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

For those that don't read c.l.p:

-----Original Message-----
From: python-list-admin@python.org [mailto:python-list-admin@python.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Churches
Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:03 a.m.
To: Pythonistas
Subject: Spambayes in the Australian press


A well-informed article on Spambayes, the Python spam filter, appeared
in the IT pages of the major Sydney and Melbourne broadsheets this week
- see http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/23/1056220528960.html An
informal visual survey of readers of those IT pages on the train t'other
morning (about 25% of all passengers in the car in which I sat) revealed
intense interest in the article, no doubt reflecting the daily tsunami
of spam which they encounter. I wonder how many will follow up on the
article and what they will make of Spambayes?

Unfortunately the online version of the article does not include the
photo of Ma[rk|tt] Hammond, Aussie author of the Spambayes MS Outlook
plug-in, reclining in a typically languid pose, which appeared in the
printed version. That's the second time in a year that he has had his
photo in the mainstream press due to his Python work. 

Tim C



-- 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list


From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jun 25 22:46:51 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Jun 25 22:47:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook Addin for Outlook 2000 on Win98
In-Reply-To: <000a01c33b65$1f798860$681f010a@andyLaptop>
References: <000a01c33b65$1f798860$681f010a@andyLaptop>
Message-ID: <16122.24219.474822.718431@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Andy> I went to send in a bug report and noticed that it said that the
    Andy> installer did not work on WIN98.  I thought that I was a fairly
    Andy> sharp individual, but I do not have a clue how to install the
    Andy> software using the other method.  

Andy,

Take a look a bit further down this page:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

There's a section entitled "Installing the Outlook Client from Source".
That should give you a decent start.  Let us know if that doesn't provide
enough clues. 

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 15:47:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 25 22:48:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook Addin for Outlook 2000 on Win98
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130220765E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Could you please send me the "idiots guide" 
> version on how to make everything work with maybe some links 
> to download the software.  

If you go to: <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html> about
halfway down, in the section "Installing the Outlook Client From
Source", there are instructions with the required links.

Note also that Mark hopes to get a new version of the binary installer
out very soon (any day now), so you might be able to avoid doing this
(although it's not difficult).  The -announce list will have details
when it happens.  I'm fairly sure that the next installer fixes the
Win98 problem (the sourceforge bug report would say for sure).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 16:13:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 25 23:14:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Case Sensitivity
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207691@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The only thing that I could come up with is 
> that on THIS computer, I set the field header to "SPAM"; all 
> uppercase.  When I changed it to "Spam" mixed case, the 
> percentages magically appeared.
> 
> We don't use these fields too often and so have minimal 
> experience with 'em.  Consequently I have to ask:  Is case 
> sensitivity expected behaviour? Thanks,

I'm not sure there *is* expected behaviour in the wild world of Python,
win32com & Outlook magic.  Python is case-sensitive, so perhaps it is.
In any case, it seems from your experience that it effeminately is.

Thanks for letting us know this - we should probably include a note
about it in the docs somewhere.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 16:23:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 25 23:24:55 2003
Subject: Pegasus Mail (was Re: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a spammer)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022076AB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > > You see, my MUA doesn't yet support spambayes. I've been
> > > working with the developer to 
> > > get him to add the hooks I need. He says he will do it. So, 
> > > just a matter of time.
> > Can you say what MUA it is?
> I'm using a "free" MUA, Pegasus Mail.

I just checked and Pegasus Mail seems to work fine with pop3proxy,
including setting up a mail rule.

So you can definitely (AFAICT) use Spambayes at the moment.  If the
developer adds in hooks you can probably create some tightly integrated
solution like the Outlook plugin, but until then...

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 16:36:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Jun 25 23:37:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamByes In A Multi-Computer/Account?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022076C2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> >Is there any reason why you don't want to use multiple ports?
> I'm lazy? :)  I'm using 3 machines, dragging mail off 7 POP3 
> accounts.  
> I would prefer the shared DB, as I seem to get the majority of mail, 
> it's more likely to stop dodgy content getting to my daughter's 
> account.  After toying with POPFile, the idea of PSpam it just seemed 
> easier to migrate my existing setup.  I may give it a whirl, and see 
> what problems I come up against.

Please let the list know if you do come up against any problems
(especially if you come up with problems and then solve them!).  As I
said, I'm not sure if anyone is using pspam, so I'm not sure how well it
works, but it should be easy enough to update.

To me, it seems more work to change usernames to user@server[:port] than
to just change the port, but I guess if you have already done this for
POPFile, it makes sense (given the laziness <wink>).

=Tony Meyer

From payman at partsalliance.com  Thu Jun 26 16:13:13 2003
From: payman at partsalliance.com (Payman Tajalli)
Date: Thu Jun 26 01:13:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express version
Message-ID: <095501c33ba1$a4e2db50$0a64a8c0@partsalliance.com>

Hi,

Could you please letme know, where can I find an Outlook Express
version of the Spambayes software (or an alternate method to use
this filtering technique on Outlook Express)

Thanks
Payman

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 18:18:01 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 26 01:18:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express version
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207742@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Could you please let me know, where can I find an Outlook 
> Express version of the Spambayes software (or an alternate 
> method to use this filtering technique on Outlook Express)

You will need to use pop3proxy or imapfilter (depending on whether your
mail arrives via POP3 or IMAP).  You will need to:
  * Have Python (2.2.3 recommended) installed.  <http://python.org>
  * Get hold of the alpha3 release.  <http://spambayes.org>

There are instructions in the "INTEGRATION.TXT" file in the main
directory.  Basically (for pop3proxy) you change Outlook Express to
connect to 'localhost' and setup the proxy via the web interface.

Sing out if you have difficulties.

=Tony Meyer

From matos at attbi.com  Thu Jun 26 03:11:59 2003
From: matos at attbi.com (David Matos)
Date: Thu Jun 26 02:12:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How are good messages treated?
In-Reply-To: <E19VNDm-0000aE-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000101c33ba9$dabce470$8d80b042@dexter>

OK, here's a dumb question--when SpamBayes (or SpamAtBay) correctly leaves a
ham message in the inbox, and if I do nothing to that message (except read
and delete it), does SB add that message's words/tokens to the ham database?
To phrase it another way, are the only ham words added to the database the
ones from messages that I manually indicate as ham?


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 19:21:15 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 26 02:22:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How are good messages treated?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207759@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> OK, here's a dumb question--when SpamBayes (or SpamAtBay)
> correctly leaves a ham message in the inbox, and if I do 
> nothing to that message (except read and delete it), does SB 
> add that message's words/tokens to the ham database?

No.

> To phrase it another way, are the only ham words added to the
> database the ones from messages that I manually indicate as ham?

Yes.

Note that the same applies to messages classified as spam.  No matter
what the classification, incoming messages are not used for training.
The only way the message is trained is by using the "delete as spam" or
"recover from spam" buttons, or via the training dialog.

Note that this follows the 'train on unsures' training regime - i.e.
after setting up an initial database, the only training that is done is
on messages incorrectly classified or classified as unsure.  Seems to
work well for most people (but then, so do other regimes!).

(I had thought that a message was also trained if it was moved into a
folder being watched, but that doesn't seem to be the case from the
trace).

=Tony Meyer

From markw_x at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 26 03:17:48 2003
From: markw_x at hotmail.com (Mark Welsh)
Date: Thu Jun 26 03:17:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in: Moved mail is unfiltered
Message-ID: <000201c33bb3$0c740260$6700a8c0@mwelsh>

I have several email accounts, and I have Outlook set up with rules that
move the mail from each account into a specific folder.  Unfortunately,
anything that gets moved based on one of these rules ends up being
unfiltered by the add-in.

They still get classified as spam -- the rating for the last piece I got
was 100%, but they don't get moved to the spam folder as they should.

This is an excerpt from the log:
Message 'Get Your NEW Car ASAP' had a Spam classification of 'Yes'
Training on message 'Get Your NEW Car ASAP' -  trained as good
Training on message 'Get Your NEW Car ASAP' -  trained as spam

The training it as spam part is because I deleted it as spam manually.

I wanted to check here first before I reported it as a bug in case I
need to configure it differently.

I have Outlook 2002 SP-2.  I'm using the latest binary of the add-in
(SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe).  I also tried using the source
distribution, but I couldn't get it to register with Outlook.  Addin.py
would run and tell me that it was registered, but when I opened Outlook,
there was no toolbar and no evidence in any of the options dialogs that
the add-in had been registered.

Thanks for your help,

Mark


From stuart_haywood at iinet.net.au  Thu Jun 26 17:55:00 2003
From: stuart_haywood at iinet.net.au (stuart_haywood)
Date: Thu Jun 26 03:52:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Setting the destination file for filtered spam
Message-ID: <000001c33baf$df7e0740$0300a8c0@usydb6qas26953>

Hi
 
Great program!
 
I have successfully installed spambayes and all is working great with XP
Professional but I have one issue with setting the direction of filtered
spam. When I attempt to set the filter rule I activate browse and the
Select Folder dialogue box opens showing Personal Folders. Upon double
clicking Personal Folders the dialogue box closes and the destination is
set as "Top of Personal Folder". The Personal Folders indicates there
are sub directories but I can't seem to open them.
 
Any ideas
 
Also second question - where are FAQ's on the site?
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Jun 26 20:55:08 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 26 03:55:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Setting the destination file for filtered spam
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130220776E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I attempt to set the 
> filter rule I activate browse and the Select Folder dialogue 
> box opens showing Personal Folders. Upon double clicking 
> Personal Folders the dialogue box closes and the destination 
> is set as "Top of Personal Folder". The Personal Folders 
> indicates there are sub directories but I can't seem to open them.
>  
> Any ideas

This probably means that there is trouble opening the folders for some
reason.  In the troubleshooting guide there are instructions about
finding the log file.  If you could do that, it should have clues about
what exactly is going wrong.

> Also second question - where are FAQ's on the site? 

There's a link at the top of every page.  Or:
<http://spambayes.org/faq.html>

=Tony Meyer

From bkc at murkworks.com  Thu Jun 26 08:30:38 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Thu Jun 26 07:27:49 2003
Subject: Pegasus Mail (was Re: [Spambayes] so-called interview with a
	spammer)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022076AB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EFAA11D.10654.89776DAD@localhost>

On 26 Jun 2003 at 15:23, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> 
> I just checked and Pegasus Mail seems to work fine with pop3proxy,
> including setting up a mail rule.
> 
> So you can definitely (AFAICT) use Spambayes at the moment.  If the
> developer adds in hooks you can probably create some tightly integrated
> solution like the Outlook plugin, but until then...


Thanks for the effort Tony, but I'm using Pegasus Mail with Mercury/NLM as the MTA. Pop is 
not an option.

I've already spoken to David (the author) at length about this, we have an agreed API. He's 
just a bit busy right now adding SSL support to Mercury/32.

-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Jun 26 09:47:42 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Jun 26 09:47:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How are good messages treated?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207759@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207759@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16122.63870.107502.115487@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> To phrase it another way, are the only ham words added to the
    >> database the ones from messages that I manually indicate as ham?

    Tony> Yes.

Are you sure?  In SpamAtBay at least, my inbox has no "save as ham" button.
Similarly, my spam box has no "save as spam" button.  On my unsure box has
both.  I believe it trains automatically on messages classified as ham or
spam, then if you change the classification, it untrains as one then
retrains as the other.

Skip

From GSGRAHAM at mactec.com  Thu Jun 26 10:55:22 2003
From: GSGRAHAM at mactec.com (Graham, Glenn)
Date: Thu Jun 26 09:55:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Found in message "Application"
Message-ID: <31316B99AF32D24FB1DA63BECD0A6376430B03@alpharetta-e.mactec.com>

Symantec AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment you (spambayes@python.org <spambayes@python.org>) sent to Graham  Glenn.

To ensure the recipient(s) are able to use the files you sent, perform a virus scan on your computer, clean any infected files, then resend this attachment.


Attachment:  your_details.zip
Virus name: W32.Sobig.E@mm
Action taken:  Clean failed : Delete succeeded : 
File status:  Deleted



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From DAndrews at Yantra.com  Thu Jun 26 11:20:41 2003
From: DAndrews at Yantra.com (Don Andrews)
Date: Thu Jun 26 10:21:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay Beta 1.0 Installed flawlessly	
Message-ID: <B9BF9321CC254844B0A7D7252D0145DF18DF40@PONYEXPRESS.yantra.com>

Installed SpamAtBay Beta 1.0.  The install was flawless! 
 
It detected all my previous spam from the install of Spambayes and has
again started detecting and moving the junk I get everyday.
 
I can't say enough about this solution.
 
Execellent job guys!!!
 
Don Andrews
Director, Information Technology
Yantra  Corporation
From blawyer at pifer.com  Thu Jun 26 13:28:40 2003
From: blawyer at pifer.com (Bob Lawyer)
Date: Thu Jun 26 12:39:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Slow deleting from spam folder
Message-ID: <303C5C52D6D7D511B93E009027440085FC15@PFR-EXC>

We are running exchange 5.5 and outlook XP.  After I loaded Spambytes and
went to delete spam from the "Spam" folder it took 5 minutes to delete 20
messages.  The Exchange server was not running slow for anyone else so I do
not think it was an Exchange issue.  Is there anything I can look at to see
why it takes so much longer for the messages to move to the deleted items
bin.  I had another spam program on my box and it did not display this
problem so I think it is tied into the Spambytes program.
 
Thanks
Bob Lawyer
From fpeterlini at robertbernard.com  Thu Jun 26 14:59:38 2003
From: fpeterlini at robertbernard.com (fpeterlini)
Date: Thu Jun 26 14:03:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Add-in does not load...
Message-ID: <000001c33c0c$bdce8bd0$0c00000a@robertbernard.com>

Hi,

I am trying to get it work, but the add-in does not seem to work;
reading the logfile, I see:


SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
Settings\...\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in
dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in
GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, in
import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute
'skip_max_word_size'


Anyone know how to fix this? Bug or feature? ;)

Thanks,

Frank
From GJoesten at cme.com  Thu Jun 26 14:25:55 2003
From: GJoesten at cme.com (Joesten, Gregg)
Date: Thu Jun 26 14:25:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with training dialog
Message-ID: <1CCB36C7D1E38143B534159A2E7B0B67F4EAD2@smschiex1.prod.ad.merc.chicago.cme.com>

The folder list, after initially coming up with items to select, comes
up empty in all cases now. Tried deinstall and reinstall with no
success. At one point, it could not find my .pst file but I keyed
through that and it seemed to work initially. Any ideas?

-- 
Gregg Joesten

 


From BenHanson at borough.kenai.ak.us  Thu Jun 26 11:35:19 2003
From: BenHanson at borough.kenai.ak.us (Hanson, Ben)
Date: Thu Jun 26 14:35:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Quirk/Bug
Message-ID: <57D3884953EA9A4695562AF19EE85993220B7F@orion.borough.kenai.ak.us>

Something to add to the troubleshooting doc for Windows users.  

Scenario:

Outlook has been shutdown to install SpamBayes, or maybe it's still running.
User installs Spambayes, follows guide and looks for the SpamBayes icon in
the standard toolbar.  Icon isn't there!  User quits Outlook and reinstalls.
Restarts.  Still not there!

Solution:

As is often the case with Office 2000, sometimes a rogue instance of
Outlook/Word/Excel will still be running in the background.  Open up task
manager and make sure all instances of Outlook.exe are gone.  If you see one
and no Outlook/Message windows are up, kill it.  Reinstall SpamBayes.  All
is good.

From ark3 at email.com  Thu Jun 26 15:59:18 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Thu Jun 26 14:59:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A Slashdot Post...
Message-ID: <49FA091C-A808-11D7-B316-00039345DE8C@email.com>

... links to Mark Hammond's Spambayes site for Outlook.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/26/1637217

   - Abhay



From gerald.hein at epost.de  Thu Jun 26 22:38:32 2003
From: gerald.hein at epost.de (Gerald Hein)
Date: Thu Jun 26 15:36:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] corruption of hammie.db ?
Message-ID: <3EFB4BB8.7070102@epost.de>

Hi,

I'm running Win98SE, the installed versin of Python is 2.2.3.
I've installed Spambayes 1.0a3 a few days ago and I'm running
pop3proxy.

Everything runs very smoothly and I was very statisfied by spam
filtering for the first 5 days. An hour ago, something strange
seemed to have happened and pop3proxy doesn't start any more.
I didn't change anything of the Installation, so the cause must be 
pop3proxy itself.

Trying to start pop3proxy results in the following error messages:

using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003).

Loading database...
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "pop3proxy.py", line 731, in ?
     run()
   File "pop3proxy.py", line 706, in run
     state.createWorkers()
   File "pop3proxy.py", line 548, in createWorkers
     self.bayes = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename)
   File "C:\PROGRAMME\PYTHON22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", 
line 147,
  in __init__
     self.load()
   File "C:\PROGRAMME\PYTHON22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", 
line 159,
  in load
     t = self.db[self.statekey]
   File "C:\PROGRAMME\PYTHON22\lib\shelve.py", line 71, in __getitem__
     return Unpickler(f).load()
EOFError
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 
'error'
" in <bound method _Database.__del__ of <dumbdbm._Database instance at 
0x00ED45C
0>> ignored


Is there a known bug, making the hammie.db corrupt ?

After deleting hammie.db.dat, hammie.db.dir, hammie.db.bak and
spambayes.messageinfo.db.dat and spambayes.messageinfo.db.dir
I could restart pop3proxy without any further problems ...
I now will train the spam filter  and will wait for the
error again ...

Regards,
Gerald





From alex9322 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 26 14:28:42 2003
From: alex9322 at sbcglobal.net (alex9322)
Date: Thu Jun 26 16:38:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help
Message-ID: <025201c33c21$8986b540$4c9dfea9@sbc>

I am using 98 SE, and you page says that 002 setup will not work ??
What should I use ?? Read a book its fun....

Thank You

Frank Alexander
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From mikes at members-insurance.com  Thu Jun 26 17:39:32 2003
From: mikes at members-insurance.com (Michael K. Schummers)
Date: Thu Jun 26 16:39:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Quirk
Message-ID: <004001c33c23$0cdabe90$d60000c8@PRK94>

First, many thanks to all for a great tool. I have Spambayes installed with
Outlook 2002 on Win XP and the installation went without a problem and the
initial training seemed very good. I have had a couple of classification
quirks which leads to this note. Two mail types seem to be hitting the
"unsure" category with high frequency. One is email from this forum which I
am training to be "ham" and I think this is starting to take. The other type
is "read responses" from Outlook messages. These virtually all are recieved
in the "unsure" category and when I highlight the message and hit the
"Recover from Spam" button, Spambayes tells me I do not have a message
selected. This seems to be unique to the "read response" messages. Have I
missed a setup option or is this a "quirk"/bug?
?
Michael K. Schummers
General Manager

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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Jun 26 17:02:57 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Jun 26 17:03:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] corruption of hammie.db ?
In-Reply-To: <3EFB4BB8.7070102@epost.de>
References: <3EFB4BB8.7070102@epost.de>
Message-ID: <16123.24449.635892.834416@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerald> I'm running Win98SE, the installed versin of Python is 2.2.3.
    Gerald> I've installed Spambayes 1.0a3 a few days ago and I'm running
    Gerald> pop3proxy.

    Gerald> Everything runs very smoothly and I was very statisfied by spam
    Gerald> filtering for the first 5 days.  An hour ago, something strange
    Gerald> seemed to have happened and pop3proxy doesn't start any more....

    ...
    Gerald> EOFError
    Gerald> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 
    Gerald> 'error' " in <bound method _Database.__del__ of <dumbdbm._Database instance at 0x00ED45C0> ignored

    Gerald> Is there a known bug, making the hammie.db corrupt ?

My guess is it's a bug in dumbdbm.  I strongly suggest you either install
PyBSDDB (aka bsddb3) or switch to the pickle format instead of the db
format.  Dumbdbm is meant to be a last resort sort of fallback for the
anydbm/shelve modules.  I don't think anyone here has tested Spambayes using
it, because essentially every platform has available some better db file
implementation available.  I wouldn't rely on it for something as important
as your email.

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 27 14:49:15 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Jun 26 21:49:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How are good messages treated?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130220794D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>> To phrase it another way, are the only ham words added to the
>> database the ones from messages that I manually 
>> indicate as ham?
[Tony]
> Yes.
[Skip]
> Are you sure?  In SpamAtBay at least, my inbox has no "save 
> as ham" button. Similarly, my spam box has no "save as spam" 
> button.  On my unsure box has both.  I believe it trains 
> automatically on messages classified as ham or spam, then if 
> you change the classification, it untrains as one then 
> retrains as the other.

Is this maybe a SpamAtBay/Spambayes difference?  (I haven't used
SpamAtBay).  My inbox and spam box have the appropriate buttons - but
then, *every* mail folder apart from the spam box has the "delete as
spam" button.  (The "recover from spam" button is present in the unsure
box and the spam box).

Looking at the code, there is this in addin.py (in the spam box
watcher):
        # we assume that if the calculated spam prob
        # was *not* certain-spam, or it is in the ham corpa,
        # then it should be trained as such.
So only messages that are correctively moved into the spam folder are
trained.  (And given code a bit lower, messages that have not been
scored at all (don't have the field) are not trained either) - this
explains my earlier confusion over moving messages into watched
folders).

For ham box watchers, if the message doesn't have a score yet (i.e. it
is new) it is not trained.  If it does, and the option to retrain is
set, then it is trained on, *as long as it is not already classified as
ham*.

Confusing, huh?  Works good, though... :)  What SpamAtBay does, I don't
know - given that you have different appearances of the buttons, perhaps
it does train on everything.

=Tony Meyer

From alan at vaneyk.com  Fri Jun 27 14:30:16 2003
From: alan at vaneyk.com (Alan Wong)
Date: Thu Jun 26 23:31:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does SpamBayes work on Office 2003 Beta?
Message-ID: <EC71DBF4CDB3D511A9FD0080C84CF1579C055A@VESERVER>

Hello 

Does anyone know whether SpamBayes works on Office 2003 Beta?

 

I've installed it, the log file is ok, and I can find it under COM Add-Ins .
But I can't find it in my standard outlook bar....

 



 

Hope someone can help.

 

Thanks and Regards

Alan

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 27 17:04:19 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Jun 27 00:05:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with training dialog
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022079EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The folder list, after initially coming up with items to 
> select, comes up empty in all cases now. Tried deinstall and 
> reinstall with no success. At one point, it could not find my 
> .pst file but I keyed through that and it seemed to work 
> initially. Any ideas?

Take a look at the troubleshooting.html file (you can get to it from the
"About" page linked on the main dialog) for the instructions about
finding the log file.

The log should have a trace for each time you unsuccessfully tried to
get a folder list that should give more of an idea about what the
problem is.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 27 17:06:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Jun 27 00:07:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022079F4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am using 98 SE, and your page says that 002 setup will not 
> work ?? What should I use ??

The next release (003) of the plugin is due out any day now (as soon as
Mark gets a chance).  This should work with Win98, so you could use
that.  If you subscribe to the -announce list you'll get a message when
the binary is released.

Alternatively, you can use a source version (alpha3 or CVS) of the
plug-in.  The 'windows' page of the website has step-by-step
instructions for doing this:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Jun 27 17:12:47 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Jun 27 00:13:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Quirk
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13022079FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Two mail types seem to be hitting the 
> "unsure" category with high frequency.
[...]
> The other type is "read responses" from 
> Outlook messages. These virtually all are received in the 
> "unsure" category and when I highlight the message and hit 
> the "Recover from Spam" button, Spambayes tells me I do not 
> have a message selected. This seems to be unique to the "read 
> response" messages. Have I missed a setup option or is this a 
> "quirk"/bug?

This is a known bug, tracked here:
[ 690418 ] Non mail items filtered by Outlook
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=690418&gro
up_id=61702>

I thought this had been fixed, but the tracker is still open, so I guess
it hasn't, unless Mark forgot to update it after fixing it.

In any case, you can monitor the tracker, or just keep an eye out for
that bug number/name; it'll be fixed sooner or later.

=Tony Meyer

From gary at gamma-rho.com.au  Fri Jun 27 17:41:08 2003
From: gary at gamma-rho.com.au (Gary Riddell)
Date: Fri Jun 27 02:40:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Just installed your addin
Message-ID: <GEEJLJIDKBCJNLKOKJCMAEONFCAA.gary@gamma-rho.com.au>

Hi,
I have just installed your add-in.
I have a suggestion for your documentation ? it?s one of those silly things
that could confuse an inexperienced user (like me).
When I first opened Outlook after installation, there was no anti-Spam item
on my toolbar.  It took a moment or three to realise that this was because
my inbox was empty!
The toolbar appears as soon as a folder containing mail is opened.  All is
well thereafter.
Regards,
Gary T Riddell (Australia)
From christian at Crunchy-Frog.com  Fri Jun 27 14:53:19 2003
From: christian at Crunchy-Frog.com (Christian Jacobsen)
Date: Fri Jun 27 07:48:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring Outlook
Message-ID: <BLEEJPJBBNNPBLMDOKDNAEOBCEAA.christian@Crunchy-Frog.com>

Greetings!
I just installed SpamBayes and am very impressed with it.  However there is
one clarification I would like to see in the documentation, and one
functional improvement I would like to see.

==== Documentation ====

Apparently (please correct me if I am wrong) there is no way in Outlook to
globally modify every table-view.  That means that every folder you have in
your Outlook will need to have the "Spam" column added manually.

For someone like me, that is going to take quite a long time.  I have been
using email for quite a few years!  :-)

It would be good if the manual noted that the "Spam" column will need to be
added to *every* folder that you want it to appear in, and that there is no
global "view change" possible like there is with Desktop folders.


==== Functionality ====

When I ran the Filter for the first time, it told me it found 37 definite
spam, and 5 unsure.  But it did not tell me where I could find those files.
It would be nice if it output a textfile report, or some such thing, that
told me where I could find these 5 unsure ones.


So, that is all the ideas I have.  If there is anything I can do to help you
with this product, I would be glad to be of service.  (Programming is too
far in the past for me to be of any help on that, but writing, testing, etc,
I am still good at!  :-)


Thanks for the great product!
- Christian Jacobsen
Budapest, Hungary


From jgadrow at cincom.com  Fri Jun 27 11:40:44 2003
From: jgadrow at cincom.com (Gadrow, Jim)
Date: Fri Jun 27 10:44:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem installing on NT
Message-ID: <399E1F52E73BD41194A800D0B74A08AB0353D70E@skipper.cincom.com>

FYI, since I didn't see NT on your compatibility list:

Windows NT 4.0 SP6a with 
Outlook 2000 SR-1 (9.0.0.3821) using
SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

I get the message:
C:Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x80040201.
Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or
Abort to cancel installation.

At which point I abort the install. Haven't tried anything else yet. I
wouldn't be surprised if it was related to the install of SpamNet from
Cloudmark which I disabled (but did not uninstall) prior to attempting the
install.

Regards,
Jim


~*~*~*~*~
"If you still don't like it, that's ok: that's why I'm      
boss. I simply know better than you do." -- Linus Torvalds  
~*~*~*~*~

From craigd at pobox.com  Fri Jun 27 10:58:44 2003
From: craigd at pobox.com (Craig Deere)
Date: Fri Jun 27 10:59:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem installing SpamBayes
Message-ID: <FFENKNKJOCKKOOFJODHAMEMFEJAA.craigd@pobox.com>

I am excited about using this program but I ran in a problem on the install.
I got an error message:  "Unable to register DLL/OCX;  DLLRegister Server
failed;  Code: 0x00000000.

I tried closing Norton A/V, Zone Alarm and everything else that was running
and hit "retry" several times with no success.  Finally I said "ignore" but
not program showed up in Outlook 2000 (running Windows 2000 on high powered
machine) after that when I opened it.  I had it closed while installing
SpamBayes.

Can you please let me know what the problem is and what steps I should take
at this point?  Thank you.

Craig Deere
Austin, TX

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From sstrudwick at alltrista.com  Fri Jun 27 11:28:17 2003
From: sstrudwick at alltrista.com (Strudwick, Scott)
Date: Fri Jun 27 11:31:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with outlook xp
Message-ID: <E88AAF40A5D83C46AB6CFC6ED3BFFBEF0148EA6D@dbiexch01.diamondbrands.com>

I ran into the problem where outlook issued an error message: the following
add-in appears to have malfunctioned. Do you want to disable it? I answered
no on several occasions and on one of those occasions I accidentally
answered yes instead of no. Well, I couldn't find were to renable it. I
would go into tools, options, other, com-add ins and spambayes was listed
but would not allow me to check it. I searched in vain to find out were
outlook was disabling it but couldn't. I uninstalled spambayes and
re-installed to no avail. I reinstalled outlook to no avail. I eventually
had to go and uninstall spambayes, Microsoft office XP and actually go
through the entire registry for any entries with "spambayes" "python" and
"outlook" and remove them all. I then reinstalled office xp and then
spambayes. It is now working fine again. Not sure what caused this to happen
in the first place but just wanted to let you know. 
 
It was working perfectly as daily, I would go and check the possible spam
and the spam folders and I have only had 1 false positive. I now can't live
without it. I have been very cranky during this process as I missed your
product terribly. I am now happy once again.
 
Thanks for a great product. Keep up the good work as I am now a staunch
supporter of Spambayes.
 
Scott Strudwick
IT Manager of Voice/Data Communications
 
From aablank at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 27 12:45:10 2003
From: aablank at hotmail.com (Andrew Blank)
Date: Fri Jun 27 11:45:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Dead "Delete As Spam" button
Message-ID: <Law10-F105tdhQYZkxO000160f4@hotmail.com>

I'm running the binary filter in Outlook 2002.  The Delete As Spam button 
doesn't do anything when clicked.  I did set the spam folder.  Any ideas?

_________________________________________________________________
Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*  
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail


From DCote at CantorColburn.com  Fri Jun 27 13:18:34 2003
From: DCote at CantorColburn.com (Cote, Dan)
Date: Fri Jun 27 12:18:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook plugin toolbar bug?
Message-ID: <63B191BD7FB1D31184C100062950C39701CDB148@chef.cantorcolburn.com>

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not...
regarding the SpamBayes Outlook plugin - In the documentation, it indicates
that the buttons should have their own toolbar in Outlook. For some reason,
however, the buttons are being added to the Standard toolbar. When I try to
manually create a SpamBayes toolbar and then move the icons into it, Outlook
crashes. It seems to crash after moving the "Anti-Spam" pulldown menu
button, but not the "Delete as Spam" button.
Running:
Windows XP sp1
Outlook 2000 SR-1


Bug? or just something I'm not doing right?

Thanks
-Dan
From murnt1 at bp.com  Fri Jun 27 18:59:44 2003
From: murnt1 at bp.com (Murnaghan, Tim)
Date: Fri Jun 27 13:01:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can we give recovered non-spam more priority ?
Message-ID: <2FE5DE0B8790D411832700508BAF485906F17AF9@eumorx5.bp.com>

My setup involves my work e-mail address having leaked out to spam.
I get around 10 spams a day. The population of emails I get is around 95% internal and a few external. As the internal stuff comes directly on exchange that really makes a difference in headers.

When I trained SpamBayes on my recent spam and my (100% squeaky clean) Inbox it decided that everything external containing a URL is spam. That doesn't work for the 5% of external mails and even after I recover them it's still rating them around 67% spam. (example attached - ironically the email is from SpamCop which is reasonably respectable).

Alternatively can we get it to be less agressive on the fact that it's got external headers ?
The scoring from my name and having a return path seems ridiculously high.

Regards,

Tim.

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SpamCop is free.  However, if you like the service please pay for it:
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SpamCop is now ready to process your spam.

Use links to finish spam reporting:
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From parnold at CuraGen.com  Fri Jun 27 14:09:59 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Fri Jun 27 13:17:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can we give recovered non-spam more priority ?
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02334@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

Tim,
As you receive more legitimate email, that score of 67% will drop. By
default, 67% does not get moved to the Spam folder.

I have my threshold lowered to 80% and I will say, that I have received
spam that gets 78%. However, I mark it as spam and the next time a
similar message arrives, it is rated greater than 78%.

Your experience will likely improve as your (email) sample grows.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Murnaghan, Tim [mailto:murnt1@bp.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 1:00 PM
To: SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Can we give recovered non-spam more priority ?


My setup involves my work e-mail address having leaked out to spam. I
get around 10 spams a day. The population of emails I get is around 95%
internal and a few external. As the internal stuff comes directly on
exchange that really makes a difference in headers.

When I trained SpamBayes on my recent spam and my (100% squeaky clean)
Inbox it decided that everything external containing a URL is spam. That
doesn't work for the 5% of external mails and even after I recover them
it's still rating them around 67% spam. (example attached - ironically
the email is from SpamCop which is reasonably respectable).

Alternatively can we get it to be less agressive on the fact that it's
got external headers ? The scoring from my name and having a return path
seems ridiculously high.

Regards,

Tim.

Spam Score: 0.567625
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From jeremy at alum.mit.edu  Fri Jun 27 18:30:07 2003
From: jeremy at alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton)
Date: Fri Jun 27 13:30:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can we give recovered non-spam more priority ?
In-Reply-To: <2FE5DE0B8790D411832700508BAF485906F17AF9@eumorx5.bp.com>
References: <2FE5DE0B8790D411832700508BAF485906F17AF9@eumorx5.bp.com>
Message-ID: <1056734923.25964.9.camel@slothrop.zope.com>

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 12:59, Murnaghan, Tim wrote:
> My setup involves my work e-mail address having leaked out to spam.
> I get around 10 spams a day. The population of emails I get is around 95% internal and a few external. As the internal stuff comes directly on exchange that really makes a difference in headers.
> 
> When I trained SpamBayes on my recent spam and my (100% squeaky clean) Inbox it decided that everything external containing a URL is spam. That doesn't work for the 5% of external mails and even after I recover them it's still rating them around 67% spam. (example attached - ironically the email is from SpamCop which is reasonably respectable).
> 
> Alternatively can we get it to be less agressive on the fact that it's got external headers ?
> The scoring from my name and having a return path seems ridiculously high.

The general approach of spambayes is amenable to giving more or less
weight to certain kinds of evidence.  You either let it see the headers
or you don't.  One possibility is to configure your spambayes to ignore
some or all headers.

I expect you've got a training database with a lot more ham than spam. 
Another possibility is to train on a set of messages where the number of
hams and spams are closer to each other.

A third possibility is to keep training and wait a while.  Eventually,
you'll see enough non-spam from your external address that it will
outweigh the header evidence.

Jeremy



From brian at mostreferred.com  Fri Jun 27 11:27:51 2003
From: brian at mostreferred.com (Brian Geng)
Date: Fri Jun 27 13:40:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Backup training database?
Message-ID: <BAD83FE67D78E14EBE9FC9F4917AE53155DBC6@ecclesiastes.mostreferred.com>

Hey,

Awesome job with the SpamBayes project... I just installed the Outlook
plugin yesterday and with a little bit of training it's already doing a
great job!

I tried to find the answer to this question in the documentation but
didn't find it anywhere.... Is there a way to back up the training
database?  As I understand it, the filter continues to improve as it
gets more training so it would seem logical to be able to back up the
database and restore it.  Is this currently possible?  And, if so, how
might I go about doing so?

Thanks...

Brian

From fullcity at mac.com  Fri Jun 27 14:45:14 2003
From: fullcity at mac.com (Adam Aronson)
Date: Fri Jun 27 13:41:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 'Delete As Spam' button not working...
Message-ID: <000201c33cd3$de7d1050$0a01a8c0@fullcity.com>

When I select a message in the Inbox and click on the 'Delete As Spam'
button nothing happens.

I've tried reinstalling twice...

Windows XP Pro
Outlook XP SP2 Build 4712

Any ideas?

TIA,

Adam Aronson
-- 
FullCity Consulting, Inc.
Ridgewood, NJ | Newtown, CT 


From frazer at beacon.com  Fri Jun 27 15:22:04 2003
From: frazer at beacon.com (Patrick Frazer)
Date: Fri Jun 27 14:22:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-scan Outlook inbox at startup?
Message-ID: <GIENLMNNLMOOEOMDCCDOAEFMCCAA.frazer@beacon.com>


Hi,

I?m using Spambayes with Outlook 2000 on WinXP.  (1.0a3 source distribution)
It works beautifully except that when I open Outlook first thing in the
morning the 300 or so spams that accumulated overnight aren?t filtered by
Spambayes.  (Yes, I said 300.  I get nearly 450 a day)  Any new mail that
arrives after Outlook initializes is properly filtered.  My solution so far
has been to perform a manual filter pass each time I start Outlook, but that
?s cumbersome.  I?m using Outlook in ?Internet mail only? mode with an IMAP
server.  I suspect that might be where the problem lies.  (The IMAP part,
that is)

Does anyone who is familiar with the code know why Outlook might not trigger
Spambayes when it first loads the contents of an IMAP folder?  It?s almost
as if Outlook doesn?t consider the unread contents of my inbox at startup to
be ?new?.

Any suggestions or pointers to the relevant segments of code would be
appreciated.  Thanks!

-Patrick


From dlwiii at aniworld.com  Fri Jun 27 14:41:00 2003
From: dlwiii at aniworld.com (Daniel L. Williams)
Date: Fri Jun 27 16:41:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fail to see buttons in Toolbar
Message-ID: <4DE19E2B33087C4EB4CB9712AA4DFC49C73C@snapper.aniworld.local>



I'm running Windows XP, SP1 and Outlook 2002, SP2.

I have installed the binary, yet when I run Outlook, I see no Spam
buttons on the toolbar.
The Add-In is loaded, and loads at startup.
I have followed the instructions I found on the sourceforge website:


Addin loads, but no toolbar items can be seen
If it appears the addin has loaded and is working correctly (ie,
checking the log file <>  indicates normal operation) but you can not
see any toolbar items for the addin, try the following:. 
*	Make sure that you are displaying the 'SpamBayes' toolbar -
select View -> Toolbars, and ensure that "SpamBayes" is selected.
*	Try resetting the toolbars: 
			Select View-> Toolbars-> Customize to display
the toolbar options dialog 
			Select the tab labelled Toolbars, select the
'Standard' toolbar, and click Reset 
			Restart Outlook 
*	Try deleting the SpamBayes toolbar 
			Select View-> Toolbars-> Customize to display
the toolbar options dialog 
			Select the tab labelled Toolbars, select the
'SpamBayes' toolbar, and click Delete 
			Restart Outlook
If all else fails, you can completely reset the Outlook toolbars by
removing the file \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application
Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outcmd.dat. Keep a copy of the file in case this
does something nasty to your system (it didn't to ours, and is
documented a few places on the web, but we make no guarantees).


I did each of these, but no result.  Could anyone please help me?


@ Daniel Williams, PhD
@ Project Manager
@ AniWorld, Inc.
@ 626-564-9768 x102
@ www.aniworld.com

From frazer at beacon.com  Fri Jun 27 17:54:41 2003
From: frazer at beacon.com (Patrick Frazer)
Date: Fri Jun 27 16:54:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-scan Outlook inbox at startup?
In-Reply-To: <GIENLMNNLMOOEOMDCCDOAEFMCCAA.frazer@beacon.com>
Message-ID: <GIENLMNNLMOOEOMDCCDOAEGACCAA.frazer@beacon.com>


Followup to my own previous message:

After exploring the source code a bit it appears Outlook 2000 has some
startup event issues if it's set to display 'Outlook Today' upon startup.  I
set Outlook to display the calendar on startup and Spambayes processed
messages in my IMAP inbox upon startup.

-Patrick


-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On
Behalf Of Patrick Frazer
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:22 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-scan Outlook inbox at startup?


Hi,

I'm using Spambayes with Outlook 2000 on WinXP.  (1.0a3 source distribution)
It works beautifully except that when I open Outlook first thing in the
morning the 300 or so spams that accumulated overnight aren't filtered by
Spambayes.  (Yes, I said 300.  I get nearly 450 a day)  Any new mail that
arrives after Outlook initializes is properly filtered.  My solution so far
has been to perform a manual filter pass each time I start Outlook, but that
's cumbersome.  I'm using Outlook in 'Internet mail only' mode with an IMAP
server.  I suspect that might be where the problem lies.  (The IMAP part,
that is)

Does anyone who is familiar with the code know why Outlook might not trigger
Spambayes when it first loads the contents of an IMAP folder?  It's almost
as if Outlook doesn't consider the unread contents of my inbox at startup to
be 'new'.

Any suggestions or pointers to the relevant segments of code would be
appreciated.  Thanks!

-Patrick


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From margaret.gardner at schoolsnet.syd.catholic.edu.au  Sat Jun 28 08:45:45 2003
From: margaret.gardner at schoolsnet.syd.catholic.edu.au (margaret.gardner@schoolsnet.syd.catholic.edu.au)
Date: Fri Jun 27 17:51:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
Message-ID: <004101c33cf5$7809fb40$e50b13cb@ibm90kebfl>

Hi,
I was wondering whether you had a similar way of filtering spam in Outlook Express rather than Outlook.


Margaret Gardner
From skip at pobox.com  Fri Jun 27 17:56:27 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Jun 27 17:56:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
In-Reply-To: <004101c33cf5$7809fb40$e50b13cb@ibm90kebfl>
References: <004101c33cf5$7809fb40$e50b13cb@ibm90kebfl>
Message-ID: <16124.48523.824972.546837@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    margaret> I was wondering whether you had a similar way of filtering
    margaret> spam in Outlook Express rather than Outlook.

Yes, but it's not as tightly integrated as the Outlook plugin.  If you grab
your email using POP3, you can run the pop3proxy.  OE talks to the proxy,
which talks to your real mail server.  If you use IMAP, there's an
imapfilter as well.  For either option I believe you need to install the
Python (2.2.3 is your best bet - just came out) plus the Spambayes source
distribution (probably 1.0a3.zip, available from the site).

Skip

From pauley at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 28 09:56:30 2003
From: pauley at bigpond.net.au (Mortgage Makers)
Date: Fri Jun 27 18:54:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes
Message-ID: <000a01c33cff$6a862890$f4658490@a1200>

Hi SpamBayes,

Great to finally see developers utilising Bayesian decision theory to wopping spam.

Wanted to ask a question: I was just about to buy Spam Bully after having done a few night research via Google on spam solutions (and found Graham's article too - what a whopper!)

Your link to Spam Bully says "it claims to use bayesian techniques". Is your opinion/testing that it might not or doesn't? I want to avoid wasting my $$ if I can. 

Any comment would be greatly apreciated.

Regards
Paul Hankin
Lending Specialist
Mortgage Makers
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Direct: 03 9527 2604 Fax: 9906
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Jun 28 11:49:21 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Jun 27 20:49:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Backup training database?
In-Reply-To: <BAD83FE67D78E14EBE9FC9F4917AE53155DBC6@ecclesiastes.mostreferred.com>
Message-ID: <041e01c33d0f$1d79ef40$530f8490@eden>

> I tried to find the answer to this question in the documentation but
> didn't find it anywhere.... Is there a way to back up the training
> database?  As I understand it, the filter continues to improve as it
> gets more training so it would seem logical to be able to back up the
> database and restore it.  Is this currently possible?  And, if so, how
> might I go about doing so?

You should back up your \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application
Data\SpamBayes directory.

Mark.
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 23:13:18 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Jun 27 22:14:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <000a01c33cff$6a862890$f4658490@a1200>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEPCELAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mortgage Makers]
> ...
> Your link to Spam Bully says "it claims to use bayesian
> techniques". Is your opinion/testing that it might not or doesn't?

We don't have an opinion or testing on the matter.  Since it's a
closed-source offering, we can't verify how it works one way or t'other, and
are just repeating its web site's claim in order to justify our claim that
it's "working in a similar area".

> I want to avoid wasting my $$ if I can.

spambayes (our project) is free and open source.  A commercial product that
we know incorporates much of the spambayes code can be found here:

    http://www.inboxer.com

We should really link to that from the spambayes site too (the InBoxer site
is very new).


From Freddy.Luger at t-online.de  Sat Jun 28 21:32:26 2003
From: Freddy.Luger at t-online.de (Friedrich Luger)
Date: Sat Jun 28 14:32:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installed on  (2002) Win XP,
	Outlook XP  - after install doesn't display toolbar,
	see attached log file
Message-ID: <000001c33da3$a42d9480$0200a8c0@friedricygv6i5>

Regards Freddy
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From bill.gibson at bigpond.com  Sun Jun 29 18:48:41 2003
From: bill.gibson at bigpond.com (Bill Gibson)
Date: Sun Jun 29 03:44:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug
Message-ID: <MBBBLHLAABIIKOLKBKECAENFCCAA.bill.gibson@bigpond.com>

Dear Python,

Since downloading and running the exe file to set up SpamBayes, I have not
been able to get the addin installed properly:

No button added in Outlook.
"Report a Bug" did not make a link as expected.
"SpamBayes.OutlookAddin" is shown in the COM Add-in dialog box and it can be
checked, but it automatically becomes unchecked when you leave that dialog
box. I had the impression that it did not find a file where it expected to.
I am uncertain because I only made some haphazard attempts at diagnosis
since I don't really know what I'm up to on this.

I have attached log files arising from my couple of attempts to install.

Thank you for allowing me to try your new work. It is an interesting
development and I hope that I might be able to get it going here.

Yours sincerely,
Bill Gibson
email: bill.gibson@bigpond.com Phone: (03)6398 2251  Fax: (03)6398 2033
W.R. Gibson, PO Box 12, Perth, Tasmania 7300, Australia
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From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 29 13:06:57 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Sun Jun 29 12:07:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy.py won't execute on *nix  - Windows LF/CR
Message-ID: <Law8-F59dsfgeRtb4W50004242d@hotmail.com>

I've got spambayes 1.0a3, on a linux machine.

When I run po3proxy.py I get this error:

/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py
: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

This is because the first line is not:

#!/usr/bin/python LF

but actually ( in Windows style):

#!/usr/bin/python LF/CR

bash looks for an executable that ends in LF , which it doesn't find. 
Windows works either way, obviously.

I fixed it by just deleting from the comments to python, and reentering.

It's a nasty one, because you don't see it on editors.

Thanks to Cameron Simpson for figuring it out.

In any event, can we fix it for 1.0?

sean

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 30 11:26:23 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 29 18:27:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207B4E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> spambayes (our project) is free and open source.  A 
> commercial product that we know incorporates much of the 
> spambayes code can be found here:
> 
>    http://www.inboxer.com

> We should really link to that from the spambayes site
> too (the InBoxer site is very new).

Way ahead of you <wink>. I've put something together to do this, and I'm
just waiting to hear back from Roger Matus & Sean True as to whether the
content is ok.

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Jun 29 20:01:51 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Jun 29 19:02:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302207B4E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEFOEMAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

>> spambayes (our project) is free and open source.  A
>> commercial product that we know incorporates much of the
>> spambayes code can be found here:
>>
>>    http://www.inboxer.com
>>
>> We should really link to that from the spambayes site
>> too (the InBoxer site is very new).

[Tony Meyer]
> Way ahead of you <wink>. I've put something together to do this, and
> I'm just waiting to hear back from Roger Matus & Sean True as to
> whether the content is ok.

In the meantime, I just had in mind a one-liner link in our current
collection of Related Projects:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/related.html


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Jun 30 16:33:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Jun 29 23:34:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook plugin toolbar bug?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130237C3A0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm not sure if this is a bug or not...
> regarding the SpamBayes Outlook plugin - In the 
> documentation, it indicates that the buttons should have 
> their own toolbar in Outlook. For some reason, however, the 
> buttons are being added to the Standard toolbar. When I try 
> to manually create a SpamBayes toolbar and then move the 
> icons into it, Outlook crashes. It seems to crash after 
> moving the "Anti-Spam" pulldown menu button, but not the 
> "Delete as Spam" button.

Does the version of the plugin that you are using match the version of
the documentation?

The 002 binary release of the plugin puts the "Anti-Spam" buttons on to
the Standard toolbar and can cause all sorts of problems if they are
moved about.  For this reason (and others) the latest source versions
(alpha3 or CVS) and the 003 release (when it arrives) create a separate
toolbar for the (renamed) buttons.

=Tony Meyer

From Michael.Otto at NielsenMedia.com  Mon Jun 30 10:32:45 2003
From: Michael.Otto at NielsenMedia.com (Otto, Michael)
Date: Mon Jun 30 09:33:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Backup training database?
Message-ID: <DF2B720CF774D21189EE00805FA7FA220AC259A5@nmrusdunsx3.nielsenmedia.com>

I have backed up my SpamBayes database by zipping up the c:\documents and
settings\[my id]\application data\spambayes\*.* directory.  I am using
Win2K.

If  you are using another OS you might have to search for the Spambayes
database, but it's name is default_bayes_database.db and whereever you find
that file, just zip up the directory.

I asked Tony if it was a good idea to do this and he said, "Yes!"

good luck

michael

From leue at crd.ge.com  Mon Jun 30 13:51:21 2003
From: leue at crd.ge.com (Leue, William M (Research))
Date: Mon Jun 30 12:52:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Early Experiences with SpamBayes
Message-ID: <E4AAC34FE3CF564D8AE89EB8AC333FD705FBCFC8@xmb03crdge.crd.ge.com>

Our large company uses Windows 2000 and Outlook 2000. After discovering
SpamBayes in an article in InfoWorld, I and 6 or so colleagues installed
SpamBayes. We have been testing it for about 4 weeks. Our experience is so
far mainly very good, but there have been a few glitches.

Installation (using the binary installer) was quick, easy, and problem-free.
Ditto setup and training. In the first couple of weeks, everyone testing it
had uniformly excellent results, even when the training set was rather
small. Incremental training using 'Delete as Spam' and 'Recover from Spam'
also seemed to work very well.

However, in the past 2 weeks, we have begun to see problems. The first of
these problems is I think the same as previously reported in the list,
"SpamBayes Disappears." As mentioned by Mark, it is not too hard to
re-enable SpamBayes when this happens. As a clue, the problem seems to
happen mainly on laptops, and it may be related to Outlook having problems
finding a mail server. This seems like mainly an Outlook problem to me.

The second problem that many people, including myself, have experienced is
that SpamBayes suddenly stops filtering, even though the control buttons are
still visible. There are two symptoms: first, filtering becomes ineffective
without warning, and spam suddenly starts coming through again.  Second, the
'Spam score' column that most of us added to our mail listing stops
appearing. These two effects are clearly related.

In a private email communication, I described this second problem to Mark,
and he said that the only recourse is to rebuild the database from scratch.
All of us who were having this problem did so, and rebuilding the database
did seem to fix the problem. Since it seems likely that the problem will
happen again, we are now all keeping some Spam and Ham folders around
permanently to rebuild the database should that be needed.

This second problem seems like a SpamBayes problem to me, although I don't
have any deep insight into it. It would be nice to have a diagnostic tool
that would allow us to view aspects of the database in a human-readable
manner, so that we could see if the database is hopelessly corrupted, or
whether the problem is somewhere else.

If this second problem could be isolated and fixed, it would be wonderful. I
know a lot more people in our shop would love to use it, but I hesitate to
recommend it to a wider audience in its current state. Has anyone else seen
this problem? Any ideas on how to fix it?

Thanks!
-Bill Leue

From ido at flashmail.com  Mon Jun 30 12:05:45 2003
From: ido at flashmail.com (ido)
Date: Mon Jun 30 14:05:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] corrupt database bug
Message-ID: <6DCB7411615CD246AC17DA321410DD4101BAC46F@mx.valvesoftware.com>

Hey there.

 

My computer shut off over the weekend due to a power outage, and this
morning I found 3800 untested new emails in my inbox.  Filtering was off and
it claimed to have no database so I had to retrain it.

 

I've attached the log I think is relevant.

 

Sending an email because sourceforge is intimidating.

 

 

Thanks! :-)

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From adam at sciencemedia.com  Mon Jun 30 13:50:28 2003
From: adam at sciencemedia.com (Adam Endicott)
Date: Mon Jun 30 15:49:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] no messages to review
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030630124328.01d36950@localhost>

I just ran across spambayes, and I'm eager to try it out. I believe that I 
got it all set up correctly. I'm using Eudora, so I'm running the pop3 
proxy. It seems to be working as far as I can tell, everything is getting 
classified as unsure, which is what I would expect (headers are getting set 
correctly). However, messages aren't showing up for review. Actually that's 
not entirely accurate. At first nothing was showing up (I sent myself a 
couple of test emails, and they didn't show up in the web interface review 
messages page). At this time I had only set up the pop3 server, not the 
smtp server. So I tried setting up the smtp server through the web 
interface, and it said it was successful. Next I attempted to set eudora to 
send to the smtp proxy, but I keep getting errors saying it can't find 
localhost (I tried both localhost and localhost:25 as the smtp server 
address in eudora, neither worked...I don't know much about how email 
servers work, so I could be way off here, but "localhost" works fine for 
the pop3 server in eudora). Anyway, after I set that, the four emails I had 
received to that time (2 from me, 2 spam) showed up in review messages. I 
classified the two spams as spam. I have since set my smtp server in eudora 
back to what it originally was.

I have now received 4 more emails that aren't showing up on the review 
messages page. All I see are the two test emails to myself that I haven't 
classified. Am I missing something? I'm running python 2.2.2 on windows 98SE.

Any help fixing either the review messages problem or the smtp server 
problem would be greatly appreciated.

Adam Endicott


From adam at sciencemedia.com  Mon Jun 30 14:47:34 2003
From: adam at sciencemedia.com (Adam Endicott)
Date: Mon Jun 30 16:46:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] no messages to review
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030630134628.01d63020@localhost>

My apologies. It occurred to me after sending that email that maybe I 
should try shutting the pop3proxy down and restarting it. That worked like 
a charm.

Truly sorry if anyone wasted time on my silly question,
Adam Endicott


From willson at mcrobie.com  Mon Jun 30 17:56:17 2003
From: willson at mcrobie.com (Ian Willson)
Date: Mon Jun 30 16:55:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes filter - won't "remeber" my SPAM directory
Message-ID: <NHBBJNLDMKHABNPFHIAIMEBOCBAA.willson@mcrobie.com>

I'm running Outlook 2000 under Win 98, and I HAD Spambayes running just
great... until I tried to show it off to a colleague. Now it won't remember
my SPAM directory. I've tried uninstalling and re-installing it to no avail.
Is there a way of entering this info via a config file?

Ian Willson


From pdfolk at folklaw.com  Mon Jun 30 15:10:42 2003
From: pdfolk at folklaw.com (Doug Folk)
Date: Mon Jun 30 17:39:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filter stopped working 
Message-ID: <D4C3DDAADE1B294192E71F9F885D5E3B1241AD@fileserver.folklaw.local>

I installed the Outlook add-in and it worked fine for a few weeks. Then
it just stopped filtering out the spam. I can't figure out what broke.
My log file is attached. Please advise as to what I can do to re-start
the filter. Thanks. 
 

P. Douglas Folk
Folk & Associates, P.C.     
www.folklaw.com <http://www.folklaw.com <http://www.folklaw.com/> >
3636 N. Central Avenue, Suite 600, Phoenix, AZ 85012
(B) 602-222-4400  (F) 602-263-8274 

 
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From src at cubancouncil.com  Mon Jun 30 17:53:48 2003
From: src at cubancouncil.com (mike buzzard)
Date: Mon Jun 30 19:54:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] cannot remove buttons
Message-ID: <FKEGKKFPKCKGBONDFCFDIEFJDPAA.src@cubancouncil.com>

hello, I recently installed the spambayes outlook addin on w2k. after trying
an online spam filtering service, I decided to remove the spambayes addin. I
ran the uninstaller and it claimed to have successfully removed the addin.
however, the buttons still appear in my outlook toolbar with no functions
beneath them when clicked. how can I remove these buttons?


    mike.


From ggrothendieck at volcanomail.com  Mon Jun 30 23:20:38 2003
From: ggrothendieck at volcanomail.com (Gabor Grothendieck)
Date: Tue Jul  1 01:20:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook IMO vs. CW
Message-ID: <20030701052038.B77034456@sitemail.everyone.net>

Outlook 2000 comes in Internet Mode Only (IMO) and Corporate Workgroup (CW) versions.  Does Spambayes work on both?


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