[Spambayes] setup training & filtering set

[Erik Sargent]

Bob & Bill,
I appreciate the support for the general idea of automatically adding the
folders and claim no personal concern for the names. In fact, I would agree
that yours are better.

In suggesting the alignment with the Microsoft name I was thinking more
about the usability of the program for less technical users. It is probably
fair to say that most or all of us on the list are fairly tech savvy
compared with the general population. However, I always use the "dad test"
when looking at these types of things. I do believe that my dad would be
quite confused to suddenly find both a "Junk Email" and a "Spam" folder
both. What would he do with them?

It is a good point that, for those who care, it wouldn't be obvious which
filter placed the spam there - but I do believe that most users won't care.
In fact, after a few more weeks of use, I must confess that I hope not to
care either. The success of the software can only be measured by the degree
to which its use becomes invisible to the user. My personal goal is to
remember that SpamBayes exists only at parties when my friends start griping
about all the spam they have to deal with and I can introduce them to it.

Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+esargent=americanconsulting.com at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+esargent=americanconsulting.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Coe, Bob
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:40 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set

I'll point out that you lose no generality by including the two folders as
Erik suggests. If you don't like their names or positions in the tree, you
can move them. Outlook and Spambayes are smart enough to adjust all
references accordingly (or so I've observed).

That said, I'd like to propose the names "Spam" and "Spambiguous" as the
default folder names. Besides being sort of cute, the two names will appear
in adjacent positions in the folder list. I guess "Junk E-mail" and "Junk
Suspects" would too, come to think of it. Oh, well.....

Actually, I'm not sure it's a good idea to use "Junk E-mail" as one of the
names. If you have both Spambayes and the Outlook Junk E-mail rule turned
on, it won't be obvious which program consigned a message to the folder.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Sargent [mailto:esargent at americanconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:12 AM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
>
...
>
> I would also recommend that you automatically add a "Junk
> E-mail" and "Junk Suspects" folder during install and use
> those as the default destination for flagged messages. If
> you get a copy of Outlook 2003 beta2 Technical Refresh,
> Microsoft automatically adds a "Junk E-Mail" folder. Even
> better, they allow you to right-click the folder and delete
> spam directly from that folder. This would be a cool dovetail
> of features with 2003.
>
> As for training, I wouldn't mind starting from zero, but it
> does seem like you could start with a small database of popular
> and unique messages.
>
> Thank you for your work on this - very cool. I was happy to
> read about it and even happier that it seems to work!
>
> Erik