From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug  1 01:04:26 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Jul 31 10:04:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] expected behaviour in Outlook2k
In-Reply-To: <F782428C113A5E4B9A40420379304AF49FB5DC@corp0.mtouch.org>
Message-ID: <008a01c3576c$a86f5960$f502a8c0@eden>

> 1.  it worked in v0.3 and earlier . . . .

Yes - we added the feature <wink>

> 2.  I can understand it not having enough info to 
> automatically delete it (move it to 'SPAM_UNSURE'?), but what 
> I      don't understand is why 'No mail items are selected' 
> response after clicking on the 'Delete As Spam' button.

The problem was that the lack of clues *did* move them to "unsure" - or
worse, to "spam".  When these reports are not forged, this is clearly wrong.

The "No mail items are selected" message is misleading - I have changed it
to "No filterable mail items are selected" - but I am not sure that helps.

> P.S. I have saved several emails (in html)from a particular 
> 'spamhaus' that have no response when clicking on 'Delete As 
> Spam'; would these messages be of any interest for further research?

Yes please.  One will do :)  I have since fixed a related bug that did cause
some messages to be considered non-filterable when they should have been.  I
didn't see this with any NDRs, but I will be interested to see if this fixes
your problem.

The basic problem is that we want to exclude items that have not actually
been sent (ie, generated internally).  The fact they have not been sent is
why we do not filter them - if they have actually been sent and received by
an internet mail system, then they *should* be filtered as they would have
the clues.  However, all NDR's I have seen that do not filter are like this
- never actually been outside Outlook/Exchange, so therefore have limited
properties and therefore no reasonable clues.

Mark.
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From tony at japan.email.ne.jp  Fri Aug  1 10:59:08 2003
From: tony at japan.email.ne.jp (Tony Crooks)
Date: Thu Jul 31 20:59:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great!
Message-ID: <001801c357c8$209112c0$a303fea9@tonymachine>

I've had the Spambayes Outlook plugin for just over a month, and it's
working wonderfully. Yes, I have to check my Spam folder to see if
anything important has creeped in there, but it's not too much of a
hassle.

Wonderful job!

Anthony Crooks - Associate Professor
Miyagi University of Education (Miyagi Kyoiku Daigaku)
Aoba-ku
Sendai-shi, Miyagi-ken, 980-0845
JAPAN

Ph: (from inside Japan) (022) 214-3493 (from outside Japan)
81-22-214-3493
Email: tony@staff.miyakyo-u.ac.jp 



From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Aug  1 00:16:04 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu Jul 31 23:16:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you
In-Reply-To: <200307310445.h6V4jM7i008565@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEHIEPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Anthony Baxter]
> ...
>
> The problem was that mailman puts in a hell of a lot of headers and
> suchlike:
> 	'everywhere,': 0.04; 'url:mailman': 0.06;
> 	'errors-to:python.org': 0.06; 'list-archive:skip:m 10': 0.06;
> 	'list-help:python.org': 0.06; 'list-post:python.org': 0.06;
> 	'list-subscribe:python.org': 0.06;
> 	'list-subscribe:skip:m 10': 0.06;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:python.org': 0.06;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:skip:m 10': 0.06;
> 	'return-path:python.org': 0.06; 'sender:python.org': 0.06;
> 	'url:python': 0.07; 'list-subscribe:mailman': 0.08;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:mailman': 0.08; 'email addr:python.org': 0.08;
> 	'list-archive:pipermail': 0.08; 'url:listinfo': 0.08;
> 	'list-subscribe:http': 0.08; 'list-unsubscribe:http': 0.08;
> 	'broke': 0.08; 'header:Errors-To:1': 0.09; 'to:python.org': 0.09;
> 	'skip:_ 40': 0.09; 'spambayes': 0.09; 'subject:Spambayes': 0.09;
> 	'list-id:list': 0.09; 'subject:] ': 0.10; 'list-id:for': 0.10;
> 	'list-subscribe:mailto': 0.11; 'list-help:help': 0.11;
> 	'list-help:mailto': 0.11; 'list-help:subject': 0.11;
> 	'list-subscribe:subject': 0.11; 'list-subscribe:subscribe': 0.11;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:subject': 0.11; 'list-help:request': 0.11;
> 	'list-post:mailto': 0.11; 'list-subscribe:listinfo': 0.11;
> 	'list-subscribe:request': 0.11;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:listinfo': 0.11;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:request': 0.11; 'list-archive:http': 0.11;
> 	'that.': 0.12; 'list-unsubscribe:unsubscribe': 0.12;
> 	'list-unsubscribe:mailto': 0.13; 'looked': 0.13; 'tie': 0.14;
>
> This suggests we could probably be smarter about parsing headers from
> mailman to reduce the number of highly correlated clues.

Well, as designed, and as it does by default, and as the Outlook client
still does, spambayes ignores all list-XYZ header lines.  You must have
enabled some dubious <wink> option if you're getting all that crud in your
database.  Even without that stuff, the tokenizer picks up plenty of
"spambayes list" clues:

"'spambayes':"
'cc:addr:python.org'
'cc:addr:spambayes'
'email addr:python.org'
'email name:spambayes'
'mailman'
'sender:addr:python.org'
'sender:addr:spambayes-bounces'
'sender:no real name:2**0'
'spambayes'
'subject:Spambayes'
'url:listinfo'
'url:mail'
'url:mailman'
'url:python'
'url:spambayes'

With the exception of 'sender:no real name:2**0', those are probably strong
ham tokens for most of us here.  Sometimes cross-clue correlation hurts, as
it does here.  It's visible then.  What's much harder to see is that
correlation seems more often to help.  Too bad we stopped doing research
here <wink>.


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri Aug  1 15:40:53 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri Aug  1 00:41:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A possible addition to your SPAMBAYES project 
In-Reply-To: <000801c357e0$a967d170$0101a8c7@mainp4> 
Message-ID: <200308010440.h714erM6006870@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Eddie Gomez" wrote
> Can your add-in be updated so that when mail is received and labeled as
> spam, that no notification is given?  It is merely deposited into the
> junkmail folder for later review.  Any email not flagged can activate
> the notification window/taskbar.

I believe that this is the same problem as discussed in the FAQ, 
"How can I get rid of the envelope tray icon for spam?"
See http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From damian at science.nus.edu.sg  Fri Aug  1 07:22:26 2003
From: damian at science.nus.edu.sg (damian)
Date: Fri Aug  1 02:22:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spurious errors on Linux
In-Reply-To: <20030729194723.GA14886@vajra.hindomin.com>
References: <20030729194723.GA14886@vajra.hindomin.com>
Message-ID: <1059718935.24888.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I really need some help with spambayes. I tried to send my mail through,
however, there isn't any X-spam header. Any advice?

Thanks and rgds,
Damian

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 03:47, Hirendra Hindocha wrote:
> Hi, 
> I'm running spambayes-1.0a4 on Redhat 9 + procmail + maildir format
> spamassassin. 
> 
> My procmail entry  reads like this - 
> 
> :0fw
> | /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb
> :0:
> * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
> .list.spam_sb/
> 
> 
> The above filters email and works most of the time, but sometimes
> I get the following errors 
> 
> 
> /usr/bin/hammie.py: line 3: 
> : command not found
> /usr/bin/hammie.py: line 6: syntax error near unexpected token `
> '
> /usr/bin/hammie.py: line 6: `    spambayes.hammiebulk.main()
> '
> procmail: Program failure (2) of "/usr/bin/hammie.py"
> procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded
> 
> 
> Typically I'd assume that the above msg is generated as a result
> of '^M' in the hammie.py or the absence of a python interpreter. 
> But that isn't the case here ! 
> 
> The thing that stumps me is that it works some time. 
> 
> 
>   Total  Number Folder
>   -----  ------ ------
>  410159      11 /home/hiren/Maildir/.mbox/
>   20839       6 .list.spambayes/
>       0       1  ## procmail: Error while writing to "/usr/bin/hammie"
>       0       2  ## procmail: Program failure (2) of "/usr/bin/hammie"
>       0       3  ## procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded
> : command not found /usr/bin/hammie.py: line 3:
> '     0       3  ## /usr/bin/hammie.py: line 6: `    spambayes.hammie)
> '     0       3  ## /usr/bin/hammie.py: line 6: syntax error near une`
>   -----  ------
> 1565757     107
> 
> 
> For example, in the above procmail summary, the filter worked for
> most of the time but failed a few times with the above error. 
> 
> 
> Any suggestions ?
-- 
damian <damian@science.nus.edu.sg>


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug  1 23:54:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  1 07:02:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] linux bayescustomize.ini location
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2844@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have installed spambeyes on my Linux(RH7.3) server and I am
> wondering where the default location for the bayescustomize.ini is?

If you are asking where spambayes will look for this file, rather than where it is installed (Remi answered that):
 
It will look for .spambayesrc in your home directory and bayescustomize.ini in the current working directory, and use any files in the BAYESCUSTOMIZE environment variable.
 
=Tony Meyer
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  2 00:09:02 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  1 07:10:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] message.py msgInfoDB import side effects are trouble
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2845@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I don't need to use the persistent features of the message.Message class.
> However because message.msginfoDB is created when the message module is
> imported, there's no easy way for me to stop the creation of the unused
> spambayes.messageinfo.db file


Note that the message info database is (as the code comments indicate) really unfinished.  Tim S started work on this but didn't manage to get it finished before he had to move on to other (non-Spambayes) stuff, and Mark, who inspired ;) the idea, has been very busy with the OL plug-in, which doesn't (currently) use the message module.  The ideal solution is to create code that implements it as intended ;)


> What's the best way to clean up this "side effect of importing"?

I don't know about best, but the easiest way would be to just have a copy of the message module that doesn't do this (i.e. edit it out of your copy of the file).  If you're not using it, it won't do you any harm.
 
=Tony Meyer
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  2 00:15:09 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  1 07:15:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2846@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have installed SpamBayes and set up the Spam and UnsureSpam folders
> for training.  I am trying to train SpamBayes by selecting the
> appropriate folders by selecting Browse but none of the subfolders of my
> mailbox (at the topmost level) are displayed.  I double click on the
> folder name, I click on the + sign, check the box for my mailbox and I
> get nothing.

Please take a look at the troubleshooting.html file (you can get to this via the "About" link on the main manager dialog), which explains how to find your log files, which should contain clues about what is going wrong.
 
Is your mailbox local (i.e. a pst file)? IMAP? Hotmail? Exchange?
 
=Tony Meyer
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  2 00:33:25 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  1 07:34:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2847@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've followed the debate about whitelisting, but would like to add my few
> pence.  I agree in principal that whitelisting should occur naturally as a
> result of training, but in practice this is not working for me, and I
> suspect that others may see the same problem.
 
Out of interest, how poorly is it working?  (For example, what percentage of mails are false-positives or unsures, and how highly do they score?)
 
> I receive a number of mailings which contain a combination of what I term as
> ham and spam in the same mail, e.g. an amount of ham content supported by a
> lot of spam advertisement.  I refer particularly dictionary.com's "word of
> the day" mailing as this causes me the most trouble.
 
I get this mailing too, and spambayes has no trouble distinguishing it from the spam that I get.  Do you get some sort of spam that looks a *lot* like this?  If you look at the 'clues' for the message, does anything really stand out, or is there really an equal mix?
 
I understand the point about training on spam that contains ham words (and vice-versa), but this is really the way the magic works (otherwise it'd just be a rule based system, really).  The classifier should be able to figure out which words *never* occur in [h|sp]am and which ones are just weak indicators, and adjust accordingly.

> For this reason I would propose an "advanced user" whitelist (not available
> by default perhaps? just in a text file?) which would allow me to completely
> ignore mails which I know contain conflicting ham/spam data.
 
I imagine that one of the main problems you will find in getting this sort of thing added is that the people doing the developing (including me!) dislike whitelists and believe that they do more harm than good (and find that spambayes classifies fine without them).  This means there really isn't any incentive to add the 'feature'.
 
Note, however, that (as it says in the FAQ), some of the commercial offshoots of spambayes (InBoxer, SpamAtBay) include whitelisting, so perhaps you should give their trial a go and see if that's what you are after?  (As a cheaper option, you could spend a day learning enough Python to add this feature to your own copy <wink>).
 
I believe that Sean is also working on some sort of grand super master filtering system that would be able to integrate different filters, including a whitelist and spambayes.  You could probably also use Outlook's rules to move 'whitelisted' mail out of the reach of spambayes, particularly using the timer option.
 
=Tony Meyer
From nick at neoworks.com  Fri Aug  1 13:57:07 2003
From: nick at neoworks.com (Nick Vincent)
Date: Fri Aug  1 07:57:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting
Message-ID: <487B2B5FD092D411977400D0B73EB0A2554CEA@titan.neoworks.co.uk>

Hi Tony,

> Out of interest, how poorly is it working?  (For example, 
> what percentage of mails are false-positives or unsures, and 
> how highly do they score?)

I've never had a full false positive on the Dictionary.com mails, but they
normally come in between 60-80%, and I don't seem to able to stop them
coming in as unsures.

> > I receive a number of mailings which contain a combination 
> of what I 
> > term as ham and spam in the same mail, e.g. an amount of 
> ham content 
> > supported by a lot of spam advertisement.  I refer particularly 
> > dictionary.com's "word of the day" mailing as this causes 
> me the most 
> > trouble.

I suspect that the problem may be partially related to my previous use of
Spamnet, which had deposited around 6 dictionary.com mails in my spam
directory without me noticing.  I'm going to clear down and retrain to see
if it does better without these red herrings.

> I get this mailing too, and spambayes has no trouble 
> distinguishing it from the spam that I get.  Do you get some 
> sort of spam that looks a *lot* like this?  If you look at 
> the 'clues' for the message, does anything really stand out, 
> or is there really an equal mix?

I do, mainly I just get rubbish adverts to do with the company I work for,
e.g. toner cartridges.

> (As a cheaper 
> option, you could spend a day learning enough Python to add 
> this feature to your own copy <wink>).

If I can't solve the problem with a bit of retraining I will do that.

Thanks for your considered response, and the great service you are providing
to everyone.

Nick

From seant at iname.com  Fri Aug  1 10:09:56 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Fri Aug  1 09:09:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Plugins, user extensions,
	Spambayes/SpamAtBay -- was 'Whitelisting'
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2847@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <007b01c3582e$35867510$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>



> I believe that Sean is also working on some sort of grand 
> super master filtering system that would be able to integrate 
> different filters, including a white list and spambayes.  You 
> could probably also use Outlook's rules to move 'white listed' 
> mail out of the reach of spambayes, particularly using the 
> timer option.
>  
> =Tony Meyer
> 

OK, that's Sean and _Mark_ (with any luck, don't know when that guy sleeps).

I have in mind a framework that would let a user add his own mail filtering
code (using, say, SPEWS or whatever), or would let Mark add a pretty
amazingly cool looking rules based system. The framework is intended to work
inside all Spambayes based Outlook add-ins, and would let Mark and my team
deal with the nasty Outlook interface while the more clever among us can
work on code that improves performance for every one.

The general scheme is:

A plug-in is placed in the users application data directory;
It is loaded by the outlook addin at startup;
It provides methods to be called at :

	startup 
	before message is scored
	after message is scored
	get status
	[user interface, still working on how to handle this one]
	shutdown

The before/after methods can do interesting things to/with the message,
including overriding or extending the normal behavior:

	* Move this message from hotmail inbox to my normal inbox 
	  (Outlook rules don't filter hotmail accounts)
	* Declare a message as spam, or not based on non-spambayes notions
	* Delete the message (if you want to delete all messages with
spamprob==100%,
	  this is an easy place to do it
	* Send/forward the message elsewhere
	* Reply with a vacation response

Here's the source for my hotmail plug-in:
============================================================================
======
#This plug-in moves all non spam messages arriving in Hotmail to the
standard Inbox
from pluginclass import MessagePluginBase, Message

class MessagePlugin(MessagePluginBase):

    def name(self,**options):
        return "Hotmail plug-in"

    def after(self, score, message,**options):
        # options["email"] has message as parsed by email package
        # options["config"] has a copy of the SB config object
        subject = options["email"]["Subject"]
        to = options["email"]["To"]
        ishotmail = to.endswith("@hotmail.com>")
        isnotspam =  (score < options["config"].unsure_threshold)
        print "===Checking '%s' '%s'" % (subject, to), ishotmail, isnotspam,
score, options["config"].unsure_threshold
        if ishotmail and isnotspam:
            print "===Moving Hotmail '%s' from '%s' to Inbox" % (subject,to)
            return[("move","\\inbox"),
                   ("skip", "ham")]
        return []
============================================================================
========

Multiple plug-ins are intended to cohabit nicely, so we can all use the
industrial strength rules module that Mark is thinking about, while
developing other speculative or personal code (It's a new moon, I'm going to
call it all spam today? Never spam-bucket a message with the word Python in
it? Spam-maybe anything with an all caps message?).

BTW, the timer based code that we installed for letting Outlook rules run
(which Mark is now implementing for SB) is working really well. A user at
ZopeCorp (Python labs parent) had a really bad time with both SB and
SpamAtBay until we got that working right. He had been lobbying hard for the
plug-in architecture so that he could reimplement his Outlook rules in
Python and not have to give up SB/SpamAtBay. After we got the timer code
working right, he stopped asking for the plug-in. ;-)

Anyone who would like to start developing plug-ins should contact me. Mark
and I are still exchanging design notes, but I know we will come to some
convergent point before long.

Note: people writing code for the SB framework are entitled to free
permanent licenses to SpamAtBay -- and the plug-in framework will get
contributed back to SB source when Mark feels it's up to snuff. So working
in the SpamAtBay environment should neither be expensive or exclusive.

Note: the SpamAtBay team does occasionally make improvements that go back
into SB -- but we generally filter everything through Mark. At this point I
think we have two of our bug fix/performance improvements in the code or
being conceptually incorporated. 
	
That turned out to be longer and more specific than I had intended. This
code is _really_ ripe yet, although I'm already using it in my own personal
production environment. By the time Mark thinks it's ripe, I bet it's darned
tasty.

-- Sean

Sean True and the SpamAtBay team.



From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Aug  1 11:03:11 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri Aug  1 09:39:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] unknown encoding us-ascii on Message.asTokens(), but
In-Reply-To: <3F294A7B.14456.7D105A8C@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F2A34EB.25605.80A42F92@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2003 at 17:22, Brad Clements wrote:

> why is there difference between asTokens() and not using tokens?

Because Message.asTokens() first uses as_String to convert the message back to a 
string, then calls bayes.tokenize

My solution is to just call bayes.tokenize

-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Aug  1 11:04:30 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri Aug  1 09:39:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] message.py msgInfoDB import side effects are trouble
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2845@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3F2A353A.750.80A56582@localhost>

On 1 Aug 2003 at 23:09, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > What's the best way to clean up this "side effect of importing"?
> 
> I don't know about best, but the easiest way would be to just have a copy
> of the message module that doesn't do this (i.e. edit it out of your copy
> of the file).  If you're not using it, it won't do you any harm.
> 


So you're saying the best way to clean this up is to finish the design of the msginfo DB 
;-)


-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug  1 10:03:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug  1 10:03:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spurious errors on Linux
In-Reply-To: <1059718935.24888.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20030729194723.GA14886@vajra.hindomin.com>
	<1059718935.24888.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <16170.29464.467870.79077@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    damian> I really need some help with spambayes. I tried to send my mail
    damian> through, however, there isn't any X-spam header. Any advice?

Are you using hammie inside a .procmailrc file?  If so, can you send it
along?  If you set this at the top of your .procmailrc file

LOGABSTRACT=yes
VERBOSE=yes
LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log

does your ~/.procmail.log file catch any interresting messages?

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug  1 10:34:36 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug  1 10:35:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting
In-Reply-To: <487B2B5FD092D411977400D0B73EB0A2554CEA@titan.neoworks.co.uk>
References: <487B2B5FD092D411977400D0B73EB0A2554CEA@titan.neoworks.co.uk>
Message-ID: <16170.31356.627484.554008@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Nick> I suspect that the problem may be partially related to my previous
    Nick> use of Spamnet, which had deposited around 6 dictionary.com mails
    Nick> in my spam directory without me noticing.  I'm going to clear down
    Nick> and retrain to see if it does better without these red herrings.

There ya go. ;-)

One thing I find helpful is to simply score my training database every now
and again and look for outliers ("ham" that scores very high or "spam" that
scores very low).  More often than not it turns out that I misclassified
such messages.  Sometimes I find my decision about whether the message was
spam has changed.  (Got on a distribution list, thought it was interesting
for awhile, then got tired of it and couldn't easily get off.)  I could have
sworn I had a script laying around to do that, but I can't find it at the
moment.  Maybe there's something in the distribution.

Skip

From btolcher at sc.rr.com  Fri Aug  1 12:15:18 2003
From: btolcher at sc.rr.com (Billy Tolcher)
Date: Fri Aug  1 11:15:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help? :)
Message-ID: <000601c3583f$b9dcb8e0$6601a8c0@rslal.net>

I installed your product, and things seem to be working.  Although, when
I go to 'Delete as Spam' it tells I must "enable plugin" before use.? 
 
 
Not sure what to do now.
 
Billy
 
 
 
From richalger at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  1 13:02:05 2003
From: richalger at hotmail.com (Rich Alger)
Date: Fri Aug  1 15:02:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 
	Solution: how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
Message-ID: <Sea2-F542YAv3uRypBs0003825f@hotmail.com>


I have come up with a solution for
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam

It is a VBA macro for Outlook 2000.  Find the source code attached.

Please update your faq.  I would like to be notified if you update it.


Thank You,

Rich Alger

_________________________________________________________________
Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online  
http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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'########################################
'Installation instructions for OutLook 2000:
'  Go to the Tools/Macros/Visual Basic Editor
'  Click on ThisOutlookSession in the project window
'  Replace the source code in the window with the following (adapt any 
existing code if neccessary)
'
'	You may need to enable macros the first time it runs
'########################################


Option Explicit

Private Sub Application_NewMail()
    Call SuppressSpamNewMailNotification
End Sub

'***********************************************
'Author: Rich Alger
'Description: This procedure suppresses the new mail notification any new 
mail sent to the folder named 'Spam'
'               The folder 'Spam' should be a sub folder of the Inbox
'   It does this by opening the mail and immediately closing it.
'     This also marks the mail as read
'     Hopefully this does not send a signal to the sender that this E-mail 
address is active
'   This keeps the outlook new mail notification from firing.
'     A new mail sound, dialog box and/or system tray icon will not result.
'***********************************************
Private Function SuppressSpamNewMailNotification() As Long
    On Error GoTo ErrHandler

    Dim nsSession As NameSpace
    Dim fldrInbox As MAPIFolder
    Dim fldrSpam As MAPIFolder
    Dim itmMail As MailItem
    Dim insMailInspector As Inspector
    Dim sCriteria As String

    SuppressSpamNewMailNotification = -1

    Set nsSession = ThisOutlookSession.session
    Set fldrInbox = nsSession.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
    Set fldrSpam = fldrInbox.Folders("Spam")

    'Establish the criteria for new mail
    sCriteria = "[UnRead]=True"
    Set itmMail = fldrSpam.Items.Find(sCriteria)

    'Determine if the item was found.
    If itmMail Is Nothing Then
        ' fine - no item found
    Else
        Set insMailInspector = itmMail.GetInspector
        insMailInspector.Display
        insMailInspector.Close (olDiscard)
    End If

    SuppressSpamNewMailNotification = 0

CleanUp:
    On Error Resume Next
    Set fldrInbox = Nothing
    Set fldrSpam = Nothing
    Set itmMail = Nothing
    Set insMailInspector = Nothing
    Set nsSession = Nothing

    Exit Function
ErrHandler:
    MsgBox "Error suppressing spam new mail notification. " + 
Err.Description, vbOKOnly, "Error " + CStr(Err.Number)
    Resume CleanUp
End Function

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug  2 11:25:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug  1 20:25:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] message.py msgInfoDB import side effects are trouble
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2845@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <049b01c3588c$856b8df0$f502a8c0@eden>

> Note that the message info database is (as the code comments 
> indicate) really unfinished.  Tim S started work on this but 
> didn't manage to get it finished before he had to move on to 
> other (non-Spambayes) stuff, and Mark, who inspired ;) the 
> idea, has been very busy with the OL plug-in, which doesn't 
> (currently) use the message module.  The ideal solution is to 
> create code that implements it as intended ;)

I actually tried again recently.  I got pretty much stumped at the very
start.  I really don't see how this fits for the Outlook plugin.  The fact
it derives from email.Message() implies I should use it in place of our
internal use of email.Message - but that doesn't fit - I would want to use
it in place of my MAPIMsgStoreMessage instance.

We really should jump in this.

Mark.
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug  2 13:21:35 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug  1 22:21:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Solution:
	how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F542YAv3uRypBs0003825f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <050c01c3589c$cc63f070$f502a8c0@eden>

Are you running the source code version, or are you willing to?  If so, we
could add this to the addin as an option - really, all your code is doing
is:

        Set insMailInspector = itmMail.GetInspector
        insMailInspector.Display
        insMailInspector.Close (olDiscard)

As this code is not tied to the icon, but is rather a generic "should I open
this message?", it appeals much more than poking around undocumented
techniques that seem to work today, but may not tomorrow.  The inspector
objects are all documented etc.

Mark.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Rich Alger
> Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2003 5:02 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Solution:
> how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
>
>
>
> I have come up with a solution for
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-I-get-rid-of
> -the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
>
> It is a VBA macro for Outlook 2000.  Find the source code attached.
>
> Please update your faq.  I would like to be notified if you update it.
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Rich Alger
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
>


From seant at iname.com  Sat Aug  2 01:35:37 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Sat Aug  2 00:36:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes]
	Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
In-Reply-To: <050c01c3589c$cc63f070$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <000e01c358af$85fd0aa0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

I tried this, it works -- but it makes a big flash on the screen every time
it marks a mail message as read.
For my normal 200 message spate of spam, that gives me a headache.


-- Sean

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hammond
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:22 PM
> To: 'Rich Alger'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] 
> Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
> 
> 
> Are you running the source code version, or are you willing 
> to?  If so, we
> could add this to the addin as an option - really, all your 
> code is doing
> is:
> 
>         Set insMailInspector = itmMail.GetInspector
>         insMailInspector.Display
>         insMailInspector.Close (olDiscard)
> 
> As this code is not tied to the icon, but is rather a generic 
> "should I open
> this message?", it appeals much more than poking around undocumented
> techniques that seem to work today, but may not tomorrow.  
> The inspector
> objects are all documented etc.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Rich Alger
> > Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2003 5:02 AM
> > To: spambayes@python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Solution:
> > how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
> >
> >
> >
> > I have come up with a solution for
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-I-get-rid-of
> > -the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
> >
> > It is a VBA macro for Outlook 2000.  Find the source code attached.
> >
> > Please update your faq.  I would like to be notified if you 
> update it.
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Rich Alger
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
> > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 



From richie at entrian.com  Sat Aug  2 10:31:36 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sat Aug  2 04:31:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] message.py msgInfoDB import side effects are trouble
In-Reply-To: <049b01c3588c$856b8df0$f502a8c0@eden>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2845@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<049b01c3588c$856b8df0$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <58tmivos1kccvmo8cm11515oeh452c0lqe@4ax.com>


[Tony]
> Note that the message info database is (as the code comments 
> indicate) really unfinished.

[Mark]
> I actually tried again recently.  I got pretty much stumped at the very
> start.

While we're casting stones... it's also the source of my
DBRunRecoveryError problems - occasionally the DB gets into a broken state
and I have to delete it (which is currently harmless, but presumably won't
be at some stage).  It's happened on my shiny new WinXP box recently, so
it's not just a Win98 problem, or a breakage on my Win98 machine.  It
should at least support all our different storage types, so I could tell
it to use a pickle.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  2 23:54:02 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug  2 06:54:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] message.py msgInfoDB import side effects are trouble
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F284A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > What's the best way to clean up this "side effect of importing"?
> So you're saying the best way to clean this up is to finish the design of the msginfo DB
> ;-)

Basically, yes :)  If it's becoming your itch...
 
=Tony Meyer
 
(don't forget to submit the code back if you do do this)
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  2 23:57:40 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug  2 06:58:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help? :)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F284B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I installed your product, and things seem to be working.  Although, when
> I go to 'Delete as Spam' it tells I must "enable plugin" before use.?
 
FAQ 3.8:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-is-the-enable-filter-button-grayed-out <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-is-the-enable-filter-button-grayed-out> 
 
You also need to have ticked the "enable filtering" button.
 
=Tony Meyer
From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 09:22:59 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Aug  2 08:23:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes]Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
In-Reply-To: <000e01c358af$85fd0aa0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEPKEPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Sean True]
> I tried this, it works -- but it makes a big flash on the screen
> every time it marks a mail message as read.
> For my normal 200 message spate of spam, that gives me a headache.

No problem, Sean -- all you need to do is hook into your video driver and
write a backdoor flash suppressor for spambayes <0.9 wink>.

simple-pleasures-ly y'rs  - tim


From flick at pobox.com  Sat Aug  2 10:01:25 2003
From: flick at pobox.com (Peter Raymond)
Date: Sat Aug  2 12:01:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Significant beta: Beta Candidate 11.1 of SpamAtBay
Message-ID: <EEAC525289C67C418CC466950EF23B70084E8B@plotz.Orbital.Local>

Sean,

I'm interested in beta testing SpamAtBay. My goal is to find a solid
product that my wife can use.

Thanks,

Peter Raymond
From aurag at cae.com  Sat Aug  2 16:30:39 2003
From: aurag at cae.com (Hassan Aurag)
Date: Sat Aug  2 15:31:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure at startup of Spambayes Outlook addin
Message-ID: <69F1436AA435D7118EE1009027B0FF3A018727E0@caemsx02.cae.ca>

Hi,

this is a bit of a weird setup. I have crossover office 2.0 and Outlook
2000.

I can install the addin, but it fails to load with the following log file.

 <<spambayes1.log>> 
I have to note that when using Python2 (for windows) + pythonwin + spambayes
sources, it works.

I don't know what the problem could be. Probably crossover.





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From lucianot at superig.com.br  Sun Aug  3 11:00:11 2003
From: lucianot at superig.com.br (Luciano Tavares)
Date: Sun Aug  3 09:01:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes not working
Message-ID: <000001c359bf$2dfb5ee0$7301a8c0@SERVER>

I read all the troubleshooting but am still stuck. I installed and
trained SpamBayes but no message is being moved to the Spam folders.
When I get spam on my Inbox and try to delete it using the "Delete as
Spam" button, I get the following message: "Must enable SpamBayes before
you can delete as spam". I don't know how to enable it. I already
checked under About Microsoft Outlook but nothing is unabled there.
Please help!
 
Thanks,
Luciano
 
SpamBayes Binary version 0.6
Windows XP Pro
Outlook 2002
 
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug  4 11:18:23 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug  3 18:19:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes not working
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9E9BF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I get spam on my Inbox and try to 
> delete it using the "Delete as Spam" button, I get the 
> following message: "Must enable SpamBayes before you can 
> delete as spam". I don't know how to enable it.

Have you done everything listed in FAQ 3.8?
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-is-the-enable-filter-butt
on-grayed-out>

If so, have you ticked the "enable filtering" button?

=Tony Meyer

From nick at rout.co.nz  Mon Aug  4 14:29:25 2003
From: nick at rout.co.nz (Nick Rout)
Date: Sun Aug  3 21:29:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamabayes mailing lists?
Message-ID: <20030804132712.96F5.NICK@rout.co.nz>

Clicking on this link on your homepage gives a 404 not found error:

http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/spambayes (as does the
dev-list. in fact all of them!)

--
"All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev etcetera file
for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking rehooliginator and
symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler module after a kernel
decompile and basic repatch update." - theregister.co.uk


From nick at rout.co.nz  Mon Aug  4 14:35:45 2003
From: nick at rout.co.nz (Nick Rout)
Date: Sun Aug  3 21:35:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training on cyrus style mailboxes
Message-ID: <20030804133255.96FA.NICK@rout.co.nz>

I have a cyrus imap store. i want to train spambayes on these mail boxes.
They are (like maildir) one file per message, but alo differ to maildir
in a number of ways.

does anyone know how to train on such mailboxes? Once i've got it
trained I am reasonably confident I can get it to plug into my
postfix-procmail-cyrus chain (spamassassin currently working, but not
well enough!)
--
"All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev etcetera file
for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking rehooliginator and
symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler module after a kernel
decompile and basic repatch update." - theregister.co.uk


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug  4 14:40:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug  3 21:41:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training on cyrus style mailboxes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EB76@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have a cyrus imap store. i want to train spambayes on these 
> mail boxes. They are (like maildir) one file per message, but 
> alo differ to maildir in a number of ways.

How different?  Are they more or less RFC822?  If they are then the
existing tools would probably work.  If they aren't, then you could
create a function to convert them to RFC822 and pass the results of that
to the tokenizer.  Once you have the tokens, it doesn't matter what the
format is, you can just pass them to the appropriate storage object.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug  4 14:49:46 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug  3 21:50:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamabayes mailing lists?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EB83@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Clicking on this link on your homepage gives a 404 not found error:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/spambayes (as does 
> the dev-list. in fact all of them!)

Fixed, thanks.  (I presume that mail.python.org changed the urls, or
that we should have been using the ones without "mailman-21" all along).

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug  3 22:11:25 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug  3 22:11:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamabayes mailing lists?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EB83@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EB83@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16173.49357.839227.676886@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Clicking on this link on your homepage gives a 404 not found error:
    >> 
    >> http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/spambayes (as does the
    >> dev-list. in fact all of them!)

    Tony> Fixed, thanks.  (I presume that mail.python.org changed the urls,
    Tony> or that we should have been using the ones without "mailman-21"
    Tony> all along).

I suspect the mailman-21 URL was correct.  Barry migrated a bunch of lists
to Mailman 2.1 yesterday.  I imagine he made the default directory now be
/mailman/.  The few lists still running Mailman 2.0 will be migrated shortly
and can be reached at

    http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug  4 15:22:16 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug  3 22:23:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamabayes mailing lists?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EBC4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I suspect the mailman-21 URL was correct.  Barry migrated a 
> bunch of lists to Mailman 2.1 yesterday.  I imagine he made 
> the default directory now be /mailman/.  The few lists still 
> running Mailman 2.0 will be migrated shortly and can be reached at

I copied the current links from the
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo> page - are these the ones we
should be using?

=Tony Meyer

From nick at rout.co.nz  Mon Aug  4 15:32:51 2003
From: nick at rout.co.nz (Nick Rout)
Date: Sun Aug  3 22:32:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training on cyrus style mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EB76@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EB76@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030804141638.9704.NICK@rout.co.nz>

well each file is rfc822, yes. each directory has a number of messages,
each with a unique incrementing name in the form

[digit][digit]....[digit].  eg 12345. (yes that full-stop is the last
character of the file name)

also in each dir there are the following files:

cyrus.cache
cyrus.header
cyrus.index

and a directory for each subfolder (and inbox is the root of all the
folders). 

So what parameters would I use to mboxtrain.py on a directory of
messages like that, without includding the cyrus.* and the
sub-directories?

sorry to be thick. heres a much shortened ls -Fl on my inbox

-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail         1444 May 19  2002 5825.
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail         1267 May 19  2002 5826.
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail          955 May 19  2002 5827.
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail          778 May 19  2002 5828.
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail         3779 May 19  2002 5829.
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail         2152 May 19  2002 5830.
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail        24576 Jul  2 12:02 backup/
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail      5055200 Aug  4 14:20 cyrus.cache
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail          158 May  1 13:08 cyrus.header
-rw-------    1 cyrus    mail       308572 Aug  4 14:28 cyrus.index
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail         4096 Jun 30 15:45 Draft/
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail         4096 Jun 27 14:06 Drafts/
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail         4096 Aug  1 12:46 Keep/
drwx------   27 cyrus    mail         4096 Aug  4 13:36 Mailing_Lists/
drwx------    7 cyrus    mail         4096 Apr 16 14:31 Personal/
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail         4096 Mar 18 14:41 Project/
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail        77824 Aug  4 14:13 Sent/
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail        57344 Aug  4 11:15 SPAM/
drwx------    2 cyrus    mail       163840 Aug  4 14:28 Trash/
drwx------   40 cyrus    mail         4096 Dec  2  2002 Work/


On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:40:28 +1200
"Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

> > I have a cyrus imap store. i want to train spambayes on these 
> > mail boxes. They are (like maildir) one file per message, but 
> > alo differ to maildir in a number of ways.
> 
> How different?  Are they more or less RFC822?  If they are then the
> existing tools would probably work.  If they aren't, then you could
> create a function to convert them to RFC822 and pass the results of that
> to the tokenizer.  Once you have the tokens, it doesn't matter what the
> format is, you can just pass them to the appropriate storage object.
> 
> =Tony Meyer
> 



From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug  3 23:30:07 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug  3 23:30:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamabayes mailing lists?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EBC4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9EBC4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16173.54079.3478.82638@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> I copied the current links from the
    Tony> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo> page - are these the
    Tony> ones we should be using?

Yes, I believe so.  Barry's still struggling a bit with the Apache config.

Skip


From John.Trainor at aaronrents.com  Mon Aug  4 11:17:15 2003
From: John.Trainor at aaronrents.com (Trainor, John)
Date: Mon Aug  4 10:17:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Petty "Bug" Found
Message-ID: <40066EBA53E8D5119744009027E375D8048338B5@SNTCEX001>

I hesitate to mention this, but I figured it would not hurt in case it was
misleading to others.  There is a typo in the document "about.html".  The
word "Unsure" is spelled "Usure" on what is for me, line 120 of "C:\Program
Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\about.html".

Once again, this is not a big deal, but I figured it was worth noting.

My OS: Windows 2000
My Version:  SpamBayes Outlook Addin (beta), Binary version 0.6 (July 29,
2003) from install file SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-006.exe
My Log Files:  [no log file needed]

Thanks,

John





From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug  4 11:06:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug  4 11:06:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Petty "Bug" Found
In-Reply-To: <40066EBA53E8D5119744009027E375D8048338B5@SNTCEX001>
References: <40066EBA53E8D5119744009027E375D8048338B5@SNTCEX001>
Message-ID: <16174.30328.207934.469111@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    John> There is a typo in the document "about.html".  The word "Unsure"
    John> is spelled "Usure" ...

Thanks, corrected.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/

From richalger at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  4 10:49:20 2003
From: richalger at hotmail.com (Rich Alger)
Date: Mon Aug  4 12:49:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes]
	Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
Message-ID: <Sea2-F45e7Kx4MOT8mz000190eb@hotmail.com>

'On Behalf Of Mark Hammond',
That would be great if you would add this to the source code version.  I 
will continue to use my solution until it is released as a binary.  I would 
appreciate a word when and if that happens.


tim.one@comcast.net addressed the quick flash that sometimes occurs with 
this solution.  Perhaps you could incorporate this into the source as well:
"No problem, Sean -- all you need to do is hook into your video driver and
write a backdoor flash suppressor for spambayes <0.9 wink>."

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Sean True" <seant@iname.com>
To: "'Mark Hammond'" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>,"'Rich Alger'" 
<richalger@hotmail.com>,<spambayes@python.org>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] 
Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:35:37 -0400

I tried this, it works -- but it makes a big flash on the screen every time
it marks a mail message as read.
For my normal 200 message spate of spam, that gives me a headache.


-- Sean

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
 > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hammond
 > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:22 PM
 > To: 'Rich Alger'; spambayes@python.org
 > Subject: RE: [Spambayes]
 > Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
 >
 >
 > Are you running the source code version, or are you willing
 > to?  If so, we
 > could add this to the addin as an option - really, all your
 > code is doing
 > is:
 >
 >         Set insMailInspector = itmMail.GetInspector
 >         insMailInspector.Display
 >         insMailInspector.Close (olDiscard)
 >
 > As this code is not tied to the icon, but is rather a generic
 > "should I open
 > this message?", it appeals much more than poking around undocumented
 > techniques that seem to work today, but may not tomorrow.
 > The inspector
 > objects are all documented etc.
 >
 > Mark.
 >
 >
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
 > > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Rich Alger
 > > Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2003 5:02 AM
 > > To: spambayes@python.org
 > > Subject: [Spambayes] Solution:
 > > how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > I have come up with a solution for
 > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-I-get-rid-of
 > > -the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
 > >
 > > It is a VBA macro for Outlook 2000.  Find the source code attached.
 > >
 > > Please update your faq.  I would like to be notified if you
 > update it.
 > >
 > >
 > > Thank You,
 > >
 > > Rich Alger
 > >
 > > _________________________________________________________________
 > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
 > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
 > >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > Spambayes mailing list
 > Spambayes@python.org
 > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
 >

_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.  
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus


From dianel at law-r-us.com  Mon Aug  4 06:21:40 2003
From: dianel at law-r-us.com (dianel@law-r-us.com)
Date: Mon Aug  4 20:23:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a little help-
Message-ID: <000501c35a72$322a2420$9201a8c0@toshibadock>

I read the Trblshtg guide;

Configuration:
W98se, Outlook 98, Toshiba Tecra 8100 series  docking station Laptop
EARTHLINK POP3 - provider
Downloaded 1 file .exe   (spambayes-outlook-setup-006.exe)
Ran Installation  by Executing it- ....it downloaded files and went thru the
install w/ finish button at the end- OK



LOG FILE output: -->
Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
Registration complete.


NO TOOL BAR:
I tried to restore outlook bar (w/o deleting file) did  (reset/restart
outlook application)
Nothing on outlook toolbar.
Tried to reset tool bar (w/o deleting file)

Tried to check FIELD CHOOSER- nothing
Tried to CUSTOMIZE toolbar : Spambayes is not "added-in"

A little help?

Diane T. Letarte, Esq.
LAW-R-US.COM
227 N. El Camino Real, #101
Encinitas, CA  92024
760.436.2541  Fax: 760.436.2565



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug  5 11:38:20 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug  4 20:38:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a little help-
In-Reply-To: <000501c35a72$322a2420$9201a8c0@toshibadock>
Message-ID: <034701c35ae9$df74f610$f502a8c0@eden>

> W98se, Outlook 98, Toshiba Tecra 8100 series  docking station Laptop

I'm pretty sure we don't work on Outlook 98, only Outlook 2000 and later.
We should probably make that clearer in the docs (and the installer should
refuse to install too, I guess :(

Mark.


From sculshaw at caps-solutions.co.uk  Tue Aug  5 10:11:47 2003
From: sculshaw at caps-solutions.co.uk (Steve Culshaw)
Date: Tue Aug  5 04:07:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
Message-ID: <2DA52E13E81BA643B98AF822B32985B4290B3C@exnew01.esri-holdings.com>

Hi there

I have downloaded the 0.6 version from
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/
<http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/>  but when I try to
install, I get a DLLRegisterServer failed error 0x00000000 on
spambayes_addin.dll

PC is :-
WinXP Pro SP1 
Outlook XP SP2
no Python installed

Looking through doc's and Google, I can't find any pointers to the problem,
so I wonder if there is something you could suggest ?

Cheers,
Steve C.
From phess at phess.best.vwh.net  Tue Aug  5 02:26:53 2003
From: phess at phess.best.vwh.net (Patrick Hess)
Date: Tue Aug  5 04:26:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Pleasure to use!
Message-ID: <16192759812.20030805012653@phess.best.vwh.net>

Hello,

       I receive nearly 200 pieces of spam a day to my
       long-standing email address (almost 10 years at the same
       address with numerous UseNet postings and such).  Since
       installing SpamBayes in POP3-proxy mode and configuring my
       mail reader, my pain has diminished to almost nothing in 2
       weeks.  This line (from the SpamBayes Web Interface) just about
       says it all:

       Emails classified this session: 2884 spam, 51 ham, 41 unsure. Total emails trained: Spam: 3115 Ham: 103

       In the first week, I only had to save a few from the spam
       filter and since the end of the second week, it has been
       nearly 100% correct with its recommendations.  I am amazed at the
       accuracy of your heuristics and hope that development continues.
       You guys have a heck of a product going here, and I hope that it
       makes all of you some decent money [or at least earns you Good
       Karma (tm)].  :)
  

Best regards,
 Patrick                          mailto:phess@phess.best.vwh.net


From dreed at srdcorp.com  Tue Aug  5 09:27:20 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Tue Aug  5 08:29:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Pleasure to use!
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F67D5@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

I have to second what the guys says...

This product is the #1, HANDS DOWN most amazing piece of software, the one product that TRULY gives you everything you expect, AND MORE...

My hats off to you, gentlemen...Bill Gates Be Damned, you folks are by far...

The Best Coders In The World!!!

YOU ROCK...

David Reed
Senior Network Administrator/IT Manager


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Hess [mailto:phess@phess.best.vwh.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:27 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Pleasure to use!


Hello,

       I receive nearly 200 pieces of spam a day to my
       long-standing email address (almost 10 years at the same
       address with numerous UseNet postings and such).  Since
       installing SpamBayes in POP3-proxy mode and configuring my
       mail reader, my pain has diminished to almost nothing in 2
       weeks.  This line (from the SpamBayes Web Interface) just about
       says it all:

       Emails classified this session: 2884 spam, 51 ham, 41 unsure. Total emails trained: Spam: 3115 Ham: 103

       In the first week, I only had to save a few from the spam
       filter and since the end of the second week, it has been
       nearly 100% correct with its recommendations.  I am amazed at the
       accuracy of your heuristics and hope that development continues.
       You guys have a heck of a product going here, and I hope that it
       makes all of you some decent money [or at least earns you Good
       Karma (tm)].  :)
  

Best regards,
 Patrick                          mailto:phess@phess.best.vwh.net


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

From jkershner at jccc.net  Tue Aug  5 15:46:12 2003
From: jkershner at jccc.net (Joel Kershner)
Date: Tue Aug  5 15:46:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <7D5D8911668F50499D80DA10A4ED68AB0F28@ns-exch05.jccc.net>

I am having a problem with spambayes suddenly losing all of its
configuration information.  

When trying to delete a piece of spam it complains about not being
configured.  After being configured and

Enabled, it still complains about not being configured.  We have tried to
uninstall it and re-install it and 

that does not work.

 

Is there some way of fixing this?

-Joel Kershner

JCCC Student Technical Support

jkershner@jccc.net

From io219 at comcast.net  Tue Aug  5 20:01:36 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Aug  5 20:01:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Day 1 stack trace
Message-ID: <537464972.20030805190136@comcast.net>

First day using SpamBayes, worked spectacularly for a few
hours before showing this at http://localhost:8880/review

Looks like it's still working, but the review page is broke.

------------------------------------------------------------

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 398, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 361, in onReview
    message = spambayes.mboxutils.get_message(cachedMessage.getSubstance())

  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 349, in getSubstance
    return self.hdrtxt + self.payload

  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 296, in __getattr__
    raise AttributeError, attributeName

AttributeError: hdrtxt


From sg200002 at exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com  Tue Aug  5 22:51:14 2003
From: sg200002 at exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com (Gillette, Steve E)
Date: Tue Aug  5 21:51:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Additional Product Functionality
Message-ID: <B1D2C39E089ED311A2A100E02926582410F7265E@susdayte08.daytonoh.ncr.com>

All,
    This is a great product!  Blocks about 99.9% of all incoming spam!  I
would like to suggest 1 piece of functionality to the app:  When a Spam
message comes in and is filtered, could the new mail notification be
suppressed?
 
Steve Gillette
Microsoft Certified Professional
Operations Analyst
NCR Corporation
Global Infrastructure Management Center
Network & Systems Management
1700 South Patterson Boulevard
WTC
Dayton, Ohio 45479
(937)445-6604
V+: 622-6604 
 
From steveng at pop.jaring.my  Wed Aug  6 12:55:07 2003
From: steveng at pop.jaring.my (Stephen Ng)
Date: Tue Aug  5 23:55:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Send error
Message-ID: <3F307C1B.5060503@pop.jaring.my>

Hi!

I am using Ximian Evolution and pop3proxy. Evolution is configured to 
use pop3proxy to receive and send mail. However, whenever I send an 
email, I receive the following error -

Error while performing operation:
RSET response error: Syntax error, command unrecognized.

This does not happen when I don't use the send proxy, but instead 
configure Evolution to use my ISP's SMTP server directly.

Regards,

Stephen Ng


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug  6 15:34:09 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 00:34:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <2DA52E13E81BA643B98AF822B32985B4290B3C@exnew01.esri-holdings.com>
Message-ID: <003301c35bd3$fafc9470$f502a8c0@eden>

I have opened
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=783914&group_id=61
702&atid=498103 for this.  I suspect that Outlook XP SP2 is the problem.

If you are willing to try the source code version, we would have much more
hope of tracking this down.

Thanks,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Steve Culshaw
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 6:12 PM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
>
>
> Hi there
>
> I have downloaded the 0.6 version from
> http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/
> <http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/>  but
> when I try to
> install, I get a DLLRegisterServer failed error 0x00000000 on
> spambayes_addin.dll
>
> PC is :-
> WinXP Pro SP1
> Outlook XP SP2
> no Python installed
>
> Looking through doc's and Google, I can't find any pointers
> to the problem,
> so I wonder if there is something you could suggest ?
>
> Cheers,
> Steve C.
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug  6 17:39:56 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 00:40:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F499@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I suspect that Outlook XP SP2 is the problem.

FWIW: Note that it's not _just_ Outlook XP SP2 if it is - this is the
version I have and the 006 binary works fine for me.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug  6 15:45:59 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 00:46:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F499@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <003c01c35bd5$a2bcf500$f502a8c0@eden>

> > I suspect that Outlook XP SP2 is the problem.
> 
> FWIW: Note that it's not _just_ Outlook XP SP2 if it is - this is the
> version I have and the 006 binary works fine for me.

The other reporter of the bug just got back to me: "Outlook 2000. Existing
add-ins include
both VirusScan7 related stuff and a Windows CE addin for ActiveSync 3.7,
along with the optional WinFax plugin"

Steve - do you also have any of these?  (I have ActiveSync 3.5, but not the
others)

Mark.
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug  6 18:00:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 01:01:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Send error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F4B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Error while performing operation:
> RSET response error: Syntax error, command unrecognized.

Could you telnet directly to your smtp server and give it a "RSET"
command and note down what you get, and then telnet to the server via
the (localhost) proxy and give it a "RSET" command and note down what
you get?  They should be the same.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug  6 18:07:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 01:07:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training on cyrus style mailboxes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F4B7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> So what parameters would I use to mboxtrain.py on a directory 
> of messages like that, without includding the cyrus.* and the 
> sub-directories?

I had hoped that one of the mboxtrain people would have piped up and
given an answer, but they seem quiet at the moment ;)

I believe that all you should have to do is modify one line in mboxtrain
- the regex in line 185 - to include '.' as well as 0-9 (change it from
"[0-9]*" to r"[0-9\.]*"), and it should work just as normal.

Note that I have no way of testing this, and my theory is based on
running the code in my head, so I could be wrong :)  I would suggest
that you make a copy of an example directory and try this on that and
see if it works.  Let the list know if it doesn't...

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug  6 18:31:25 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 01:32:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Send error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F4D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I cannot telnet to the smtp server. I get a "connection 
> refused". Most likely security. Is there anything else I can try?

Hmm.  If you can't connect to the smtp server, how is your mail program
able to?

You should be able to just do:
    telnet smtp.example.com 25
And have it connect, assuming that it's connecting on port 25 (is that
what the mail program has?)

=Tony Meyer

From james.ryan at pjparker.com  Wed Aug  6 16:04:14 2003
From: james.ryan at pjparker.com (James Ryan)
Date: Wed Aug  6 02:05:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
Message-ID: <000001c35be0$92353bb0$6f01a8c0@JRTPR32>

I cannot install the Outlook plugin.  I'm on WinXP Pro using Outlook
2002.  My error is attached.

Help.

-James

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug  6 17:23:21 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 02:23:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
In-Reply-To: <000001c35be0$92353bb0$6f01a8c0@JRTPR32>
Message-ID: <001301c35be3$3c8663d0$f502a8c0@eden>

Unfortunately, we don't know why this happens, but we are tracking it at
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=783914&group_id=61
702&atid=498103 - you may like to check on it now and then - hopefully we
will find the reason before the next release.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of James Ryan
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2003 4:04 PM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
>
>
> I cannot install the Outlook plugin.  I'm on WinXP Pro using Outlook
> 2002.  My error is attached.
>
> Help.
>
> -James
>
>


From james.ryan at pjparker.com  Wed Aug  6 17:21:28 2003
From: james.ryan at pjparker.com (James Ryan)
Date: Wed Aug  6 03:22:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
In-Reply-To: <001301c35be3$3c8663d0$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <000401c35beb$5c0528b0$6f01a8c0@JRTPR32>

I tried killing lots of background processes and managed to get it to
install.  It turns out that WINWORD.EXE was running (even though no
windows were open).  I think this happens when Word is the default
e-mail editor.
-James

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:23 PM
To: 'James Ryan'; SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin

Unfortunately, we don't know why this happens, but we are tracking it at
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=783914&group_i
d=61
702&atid=498103 - you may like to check on it now and then - hopefully
we
will find the reason before the next release.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of James Ryan
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2003 4:04 PM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
>
>
> I cannot install the Outlook plugin.  I'm on WinXP Pro using Outlook
> 2002.  My error is attached.
>
> Help.
>
> -James
>
>




From sculshaw at caps-solutions.co.uk  Wed Aug  6 09:50:39 2003
From: sculshaw at caps-solutions.co.uk (Steve Culshaw)
Date: Wed Aug  6 03:46:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
Message-ID: <2DA52E13E81BA643B98AF822B32985B4290B59@exnew01.esri-holdings.com>

Mark,

I've got :-
   Norton AntiVirus
   ActiveSync 3.7

In Outlook :-
COM Add-ins
   AttachmentOptions (the one from Slovak Tech Services that allows you to
control the Outlook security)
   SpamBayes

Add-in Manager
   Delegate Access
   Deleted Item Recovery
   Exchange Extensions commands
   Exchange Extensions property pages
   Windows CE Support
   
   and showing but not checked 
   Server Scripting


I spotted a comment about a second try at the install working, tried it and
it did 

Cheers,
Steve C.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
> Sent: 06 August 2003 05:46
> To: 'Meyer, Tony'; SpamBayes@python.org
> Cc: 'Steve Culshaw'
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installation problem
> 
> 
> > > I suspect that Outlook XP SP2 is the problem.
> >
> > FWIW: Note that it's not _just_ Outlook XP SP2 if it is - 
> this is the 
> > version I have and the 006 binary works fine for me.
> 
> The other reporter of the bug just got back to me: "Outlook 
> 2000. Existing add-ins include both VirusScan7 related stuff 
> and a Windows CE addin for ActiveSync 3.7, along with the 
> optional WinFax plugin"
> 
> Steve - do you also have any of these?  (I have ActiveSync 
> 3.5, but not the
> others)
> 
> Mark.
> 

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Wed Aug  6 10:08:08 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Wed Aug  6 09:08:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a little help-
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0E7@SPIKE.city>

> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:38 PM
> To: dianel@law-r-us.com; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] a little help-
> 
> 
> > W98se, Outlook 98, Toshiba Tecra 8100 series  docking station Laptop
> 
> I'm pretty sure we don't work on Outlook 98, only Outlook 
> 2000 and later. We should probably make that clearer in
> the docs (and the installer should refuse to install too,
> I guess :(
> 
> Mark.

But Diane's installation procedure was incomplete anyway, wasn't it? There's a machine-specific component (installing the Outlook add-in) and a user-specific component (getting the SpamBayes buttons to display). I saw the former in Diane's problem report, but not the latter. I.e., I didn't see anything equivalent to "%windir%\System32\regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll". Or am I missing something?

Bob

From Stuart at tessco.com  Wed Aug  6 10:16:28 2003
From: Stuart at tessco.com (Stuart, Bill)
Date: Wed Aug  6 09:17:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Filter poisoning
Message-ID: <1FD2979B57654E4CAB54AE001EDFED2704496439@xmail01.tessco.com>


Those sub-human filth-sack spammers are definitely trying to poison our
Bayesian filters.  Check out the attached list of words that came in the
body of a spam with HTML embedded images.  I've scrubbed it of all HTML
tags, leaving just the words.  Fortunately, once again, the SpamBayes filter
and the guys making it work on Outlook come through again with a solid 87%
spam score.  

I'm almost positive this kind of "poisoning" is self-defeating, but this is
a war where the enemy has no principles and will try anything.  Sorry
spammers, looks like you are going to lose the war!  Hooray!

 - Bill
   stuart a t tessco dat cam

-------------- next part --------------
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accipiter  expedited   
arragon  melts  advisees 
crackled  exacerbating   
medium  acapulco  acidly 
microcomputer  benton   
adrienne  tastefully  sayer 
mellowing  exemplifies   
illicitly  hopeless  evening 
baxter  merganser   
posable  terrify  meats 
positional  hydrant   
courthouses    
coy  mature  andre   
theology  expressibility   
expressible  adjusters   
cosmetic  taft  bobbins 
plowing  ammerman   
schoolmate  exploited   
hospitalizes  housewives   
materializes  tenor  scarlet 
hubby  crept  praise 
bissau  meet   
adjustors  exhausting  plush 
cropping  bizet   
plunged tautness alphonse   
mescaline  milliamperes   
booting  tallness  couplers 
hovel  scow   
administratrix  expends   
humpty  scowling ideology melt searchings 
scuffling textured couching tappet microfilm
scrapping  ayers   
arthur  however  allentown 
portray  exponential   
ports  crone  posting   
plucky  coupler  councilmen 
algenib  crow  hopes 
hygiene  countenance   
addressers  babylon   
saponify  illusionary   
meanings  screamers  postwar 
posh  teased  satires 
boeing  counterattack   
powders   
alexandra  posh  sawtimber 
bolometer  porridge   
midland  poultry  memoir 
postmark  i.e   
criticism  bough  scripture 
cottonseed  acclimated   
bernoulli  scope  explained 
scold  housefly   
tainted  hypocritical  estop 
tagged  adducts   
scandium  teeming  tactic 
countywide
ames  maverick  exchangeable 
extant  acyclic   
adherer  cracker  bombproof 
schist  advantageously   
plumpness  scoff  RANDOMIZE 
tents bowed maximizer plough schoolers breached scamper pliable 
From p.helander at swipnet.se  Wed Aug  6 17:15:39 2003
From: p.helander at swipnet.se (Peter Helander +46 709 626 726)
Date: Wed Aug  6 10:11:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Sweden?
Message-ID: <GLEJLFJNEJCJNFPPPHLNAEGKCCAA.p.helander@swipnet.se>

Dear reader, I wonder if you currently have any contacts/retailers/agents in
Sweden?
If not, I am interested in representing you in Sweden as well as doing PR
for you, in Sweden and perhaps globally - I have the network for that.

DS! Could you send me a copy of the software and "manual" so I can try if it
catches 99% of the spam?
Best regards.

Peter Helander

-----------------------------------------
Peter Helander, MBA Tech.
cucumber information & pr
www.cucumberpr.info
+46-(0)709 626 726
------------------------------------------
www.advox.se f?r e-post policy
www.webaid.nu f?r att hj?lpa beh?vande
www.therainforestsite.com f?r att hj?lpa v?r regnskog
www.wwf.se f?r att hj?lpa v?rldens djur


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From smann at HolyokeMutual.com  Wed Aug  6 11:51:45 2003
From: smann at HolyokeMutual.com (Shannon Mann)
Date: Wed Aug  6 10:52:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error
Message-ID: <A5EB30C5285CD511A7AB00508BFD794001DD7F41@ssl.holyokemutual.com>

Please advise what to do about this:

 <<...OLE_Obj...>> 

From kbrom at srds.com  Wed Aug  6 12:01:12 2003
From: kbrom at srds.com (Kim Bromund)
Date: Wed Aug  6 12:01:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Drop Down Menu
Message-ID: <NDBBLJFHEKDJOMOAAJMKOEMECJAA.kbrom@srds.com>

I am having trouble using the drop down menu to look at the filters that
were setup.  Could you please reply back with a solution?

Thanks,
Sergio
From jknotzke at shampoo.ca  Wed Aug  6 13:09:51 2003
From: jknotzke at shampoo.ca (Justin F. Knotzke)
Date: Wed Aug  6 12:10:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Mailman integration
Message-ID: <20030806160951.GJ17961@shampoo.ca>


   I've been googling looking for a way to integrate Spambayes with
Mailman. Has anyone had any luck doing this?

   Thanks

   J

-- 
Justin F. Knotzke
jknotzke@shampoo.ca
http://www.shampoo.ca

From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 12:29:39 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 12:29:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Day 1 stack trace
In-Reply-To: <537464972.20030805190136@comcast.net>
References: <537464972.20030805190136@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <159733192.20030806112939@comcast.net>


> First day using SpamBayes, worked spectacularly for a few
> hours before showing this at http://localhost:8880/review

> Looks like it's still working, but the review page is broke.

The review page was working today with 122 new messages to review.
I reviewed them, submitted the results, html was output stating
they were submitted and saved, then I got the same traceback.

Now when going to the page again, presumably with 0 new messages,
I get the traceback I was getting before, so perhaps it is just
having problems when there are 0 messages to review.

> Traceback (most recent call last):

>   File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 398, in found_terminator
>     getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

>   File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 361, in onReview
>     message = spambayes.mboxutils.get_message(cachedMessage.getSubstance())

>   File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 349, in getSubstance
>     return self.hdrtxt + self.payload

>   File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 296, in __getattr__
>     raise AttributeError, attributeName

> AttributeError: hdrtxt

-Tomi


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Wed Aug  6 13:40:31 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Wed Aug  6 12:40:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error
In-Reply-To: <A5EB30C5285CD511A7AB00508BFD794001DD7F41@ssl.holyokemutual.com>
Message-ID: <20030806164049.1312486265@plunder.dreamhost.com>

Whatever you pasted into your message did not make it to the list. Please
describe the problem after reading the faq and troubleshooting guide.

Thanks,
Adam Walker

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Mann
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Error
> 
> Please advise what to do about this:
> 
>  <<...OLE_Obj...>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From Martinb at Woodsborobank.com  Wed Aug  6 13:52:12 2003
From: Martinb at Woodsborobank.com (Martin H. Burall)
Date: Wed Aug  6 12:51:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] enable
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA0Qe+bT7kMkCCPssp88vqS8KAAAAQAAAANnk6VqDUuUqaX1IhA/GPWQEAAAAA@Woodsborobank.com>

I have outlook 2002 (xp), how do you enable spambayes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martin H. Burall

Woodsboro Bank

P.O. Box 36

5 N Main St

Woodsboro, MD  21798

301-898-4000 ext 41

301-898-0818 fax

martinb@woodsborobank.com

 

 

 

 

When you submit an inquiry to us over the Internet, since our response back
to you is not secure, we will not include non-public personal information in
the response.

This e-mail transmission contains confidential information belonging to the
sender, which may be legally privileged information.  The information is
intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above.  If you
are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for
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From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Wed Aug  6 14:05:07 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Wed Aug  6 13:05:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Error message
In-Reply-To: <A5EB30C5285CD511A7AB00508BFD794001F37F84@ssl.holyokemutual.com>
Message-ID: <20030806170518.3275D862F1@plunder.dreamhost.com>

Please read
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/about.html?rev=HEAD
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambay
es/Outlook2000/about.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain>
&content-type=text/plain

Specifically, the "Installing and Configuring the plugin" and "Configuring
the plugin for filtering" sections.

 

This file is also available by clicking the "about" button on the SpamBayes
Manager dialog.

 

Thanks,

Adam

 

  _____  

From: Georgia Smith [mailto:gsmith@HolyokeMutual.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:53 PM
To: 'adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com'
Subject: Error message

 

Hello,

 

I am responding to the message you responded to from Shannon Mann at Holyoke
Mutual.  I am attaching a document containing the error message we're
getting.

 

 

Georgia M. Smith 
Application Software Administrator 
Holyoke Mutual Insurance Company 
Holyoke Square 
Salem, MA  01970 
Voice: 978-740-2127  Fax: 978-744-0313 

 

From bclaxton at mieco.com  Wed Aug  6 11:39:34 2003
From: bclaxton at mieco.com (Bettie Claxton)
Date: Wed Aug  6 13:40:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I hope this is not a dumb question.
Message-ID: <FFDC8C7848FCD311A14700D0B73EB57801645900@lbexch.mieco.corp>

I'm running Outlook XP against an Exchange 5.5 server.  I am using a normal
interface; i.e., I am not using POP3.  When I went to configure SpamBayes so
it leaves good mail in my inbox, it made me create a PST file named test.
Do I have to have my mail delivered to a PST to use this?  I need my mail
delivered to the mailbox/inbox as I have some important forwarding rules.
 
Thank you,
Bettie Claxton
Director, IT
MIECO Inc.
(v) 562.435.0085
(f) 562.432.2318
 
From DByrne at mcmanisconsulting.com  Wed Aug  6 12:27:07 2003
From: DByrne at mcmanisconsulting.com (Deirdre Byrne)
Date: Wed Aug  6 13:56:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <E0D2AF983B28584C9CF1DE55CC49D6F43B5441@denver1.mcmanisconsulting.com>

how do i uninstall spambayes from my computer?

deirdre d. byrne 
president, mcmanis consulting 
t:  720.529.2110  ext 2203 
f.  720.529.2120 
dbyrne@mcmanisconsulting.com 

 
From ddrass at brtrc.com  Wed Aug  6 15:24:40 2003
From: ddrass at brtrc.com (ddrass)
Date: Wed Aug  6 14:35:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good stuff
Message-ID: <EIEKLOLEDKDKCODPFMPJEEABDKAA.ddrass@brtrc.com>

All:

Darn good program. Got a question though.
Is there any problem if I were to install
SpamBayes client on all my machines at work?
We're talking potentially 100+ machines???

Thanks:

Dan Drass
Network Administrator
BRTRC
540-657-1190 X227

"My fellow Americans...Let's Roll!!" 

From richie at entrian.com  Wed Aug  6 21:19:31 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Aug  6 15:19:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Day 1 stack trace
In-Reply-To: <159733192.20030806112939@comcast.net>
References: <537464972.20030805190136@comcast.net>
	<159733192.20030806112939@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <skk2jv8o7706seri2plqpkfni3osm1lcam@4ax.com>


[Tomi, day one]
> the review page is broke.

[Tomi, day two]
> The review page was working today with 122 new messages to review.
> I reviewed them, submitted the results, html was output stating
> they were submitted and saved, then I got the same traceback.

You have a message in your cache for day one which is causing the error -
it's probably a malformed spam email.

The way the review page works is to list all the messages on the most
recent day for which it has messages.  When you come along on a new day,
the review page gives you the messages for just that day, and hence
doesn't hit the problem.  You train on all the messages for that day, and
it goes back to the previous day, which is where the problem lies.

Next time you go to the review page and it works (which will be the next
time you pass midnight and receive an email 8-) could you train on that
page and then zip up the pop3proxy-unknown-cache directory and email it to
me privately?  This will let me find the message that's causing the
problem, and hopefully fix the but.  *But* it will also let me read all
your emails for that day... I promise not to sell your secrets to the
Martians, but if you don't want to send me all your messages (and who
would?) then we can add some debugging code to narrow down which message
is causing the problem, but it will be a lot more work for both of us.

Alternatively, you could find the message yourself by manually moving all
the files out of that folder, then moving them back in a few at a time,
restarting pop3proxy, and seeing when it starts to go wrong again.
Tedious, but you could then just send me the offending message.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From garth at deadlybloodyserious.com  Thu Aug  7 07:44:36 2003
From: garth at deadlybloodyserious.com (Garth Kidd)
Date: Wed Aug  6 16:45:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 hangs Outlook XP if Python 2.3 and McAfee? 
Message-ID: <000001c35c5b$8e5b6700$0601010a@gkiddxp2>

I've been using the 1.0a4 source from CVS for quite some time with Python
2.2.3, Outlook XP SP1, XP SP1. 

I switched to Python 2.3, which worked fine, and then I installed McAfee
VShield. Bad move -- Outlook would hang when downloading mail. Uninstalling
McAfee fixed the problem, but every time I rebooted McAfee would be back
(yaaaargh! -- it's like spyware). 

I've reinstalled McAfee without the email part of the scanner, and
backgraded to 2.2.3 for SpamBayes, and after retraining (my database
vanished) everything's fine. 

Regards,
Garth.


From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 16:48:02 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 16:48:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Save & Shutdown error
Message-ID: <207341403.20030806154802@comcast.net>

I deleted pop3proxy* folders, hammie.* data files, spambayes.* data files,
_pop3proxy* data files, and thus believe I have started a fresh SpamBayes
instance. So I start it, then click "Save & Shutdown" and receive the
following error on shutdown. I discovered this error with real data first
then removed all my data, resetting SpamBayes completely (I believe), and
still get the error. It does not affect any of the website pages and this is
not related to previous reports I've given as far as I know.

All data files and folders are brand new. It happens with no data and now
with data.

C:\Python22\Scripts>pop3proxy.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database... Done.
SMTP Listener on port 9999 is proxying localhost:25
Listener on port 9001 is proxying xxx.com:110
Listener on port 9002 is proxying yyy.org:110
Listener on port 9003 is proxying mail.zzz.net:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'error'
" in <bound method _Database.__del__ of <dumbdbm._Database instance at 0x008D77D
0>> ignored

C:\Python22\Scripts>


From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 16:21:29 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 16:48:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Another bug...
Message-ID: <19810580735.20030806152129@comcast.net>


I noticed I wasn't getting any mail and I see the pythonw process has died.
I tried from the commandline and there is a problem "Loading database...".

I was able to get it working again by renaming the hammie.* files.
(which I have kept)

All the other files; cache dirs spambayes.messageinfo.*, _pop3proxy*
have no effect on this stacktrace, just the hammie.* files.

C:\Python22\Scripts>pop3proxy.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\Scripts\pop3proxy.py", line 778, in ?
    run()
  File "C:\Python22\Scripts\pop3proxy.py", line 753, in run
    state.createWorkers()
  File "C:\Python22\Scripts\pop3proxy.py", line 595, in createWorkers
    self.bayes = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename)
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 147, in __init
__
    self.load()
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 159, in load
    t = self.db[self.statekey]
  File "C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py", line 71, in __getitem__
    return Unpickler(f).load()
EOFError
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'error'
" in <bound method _Database.__del__ of <dumbdbm._Database instance at 0x008D77D
0>> ignored

C:\Python22\Scripts>


From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 16:24:02 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 16:50:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Storage
Message-ID: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>


Would it be worth writing an alternate storage module for SpamBayes to
save data in an MSSQL database (or whatever) for reliability/stability?

Could this be done without losing synchronization with official SpamBayes?
Could official SpamBayes allow this functionality via pluggable storage?

-Tomi


From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 16:52:57 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 16:53:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Day 1 stack trace
In-Reply-To: <skk2jv8o7706seri2plqpkfni3osm1lcam@4ax.com>
References: <537464972.20030805190136@comcast.net>
	<159733192.20030806112939@comcast.net>
	<skk2jv8o7706seri2plqpkfni3osm1lcam@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1201158794.20030806155257@comcast.net>


--> Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 2:19:31 PM, you wrote:

> You have a message in your cache for day one which is causing the error -
> it's probably a malformed spam email.

Doesn't look like it, all the old cache data works now.

[snip]
> Alternatively, you could find the message yourself by manually moving all
> the files out of that folder, then moving them back in a few at a time,
> restarting pop3proxy, and seeing when it starts to go wrong again.
> Tedious, but you could then just send me the offending message.

My previous report details my resetting of SpamBayes data. I backed up the
cache folder data however and after finishing the previous report I put the
cache folder data back and the Review page, after training the messages it
shows first, does not give the stacktrace it was giving before.

To me this indicates the problem was not in the cache folder data but one
of the data files in the base directory (/Python22/Scripts/ on my system).

-Tomi


From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 18:02:39 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Aug  6 17:03:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Filter poisoning
In-Reply-To: <1FD2979B57654E4CAB54AE001EDFED2704496439@xmail01.tessco.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHKENHGIAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Stuart, Bill]
> Those sub-human filth-sack spammers are definitely trying to poison
> our Bayesian filters.  Check out the attached list of words that came
> in the body of a spam with HTML embedded images.  I've scrubbed it of
> all HTML tags, leaving just the words.  Fortunately, once again, the
> SpamBayes filter and the guys making it work on Outlook come through
> again with a solid 87% spam score.
>
> I'm almost positive this kind of "poisoning" is self-defeating, but
> this is a war where the enemy has no principles and will try
> anything.  Sorry spammers, looks like you are going to lose the war!

Adding rare words to a msg isn't an effective attack against the spambayes
classifier, or against more classical Bayesian classifiers -- rare words
are, by virtue of their rarity alone, generally not taken as evidence of ham
or spam.  In effect, they're ignored.  This kind of gimmick can be an
effective attack against other kinds of spam detectors, though, like
exact-match and near-match classifiers.  If enough spammers happen to add
the same rare words, then words like "saponify" will indeed become spam
clues.  It's more likely that they're adding random words to prevent simple
filters from detecting duplication.

> Hooray!

Indeed, it's the result that counts <wink>.


From mail at fionn.de  Wed Aug  6 22:10:58 2003
From: mail at fionn.de (Fionn Behrens)
Date: Wed Aug  6 17:11:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Storage
In-Reply-To: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>
References: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1060204249.1897.1926.camel@rtfm>

On Mit, 2003-08-06 at 22:24, io219@comcast.net wrote:
> Would it be worth writing an alternate storage module for SpamBayes to
> save data in an MSSQL database (or whatever) for reliability/stability?
> 
> Could this be done without losing synchronization with official SpamBayes?
> Could official SpamBayes allow this functionality via pluggable storage?

There already is a patch for a mySQL storage on SF. Given the pretty
decent modularity and class system of SpamBayes it already is kinda
pluggable. Just the command line tools seem to be slightly misaligned
regarding future extensions. But I have never used them, just inspected
them briefly.

Btw, with some python knowledge writing your own storage module is a
no-brainer and can be done in one afternoon including some testing.
I did my own database-storage class with extended functionality (I
needed multi user and the ability to learn more than just one folder per
user, so I'll be able to e.g. tell apart certain kinds of support
requests into different folders and such) and it was really easy.

Regards,
	Fionn
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From ahart at PinpointTech.com  Wed Aug  6 16:37:17 2003
From: ahart at PinpointTech.com (Hart, Aaron)
Date: Wed Aug  6 17:53:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Highlighted message is unread
Message-ID: <CB75F30B452F7D4A8C81776FCCAD0EAB023FA1C5@mail1.pinpointtech.com>

I have Outlook set up to mark the current message highlighted as read.
After I installed this filter, when I highlight a message, it marks it
as read for about 1 second, then re-marks it as unread, so I have to
click on a different item and come back to it before it is marked as
read. Is there a way to fix this, or is this a bug?

 

Thanks,

Aaron

 

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--------

I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right
now I'm so far behind I will never die. -- Calvin and Hobbes

 

From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 17:38:16 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:05:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Storage
In-Reply-To: <1060204249.1897.1926.camel@rtfm>
References: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>
	<1060204249.1897.1926.camel@rtfm>
Message-ID: <1802349584.20030806163816@comcast.net>


--> Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 4:10:50 PM, you wrote:

[snip]
> Btw, with some python knowledge writing your own storage module is a
> no-brainer and can be done in one afternoon including some testing.
> I did my own database-storage class with extended functionality (I
> needed multi user and the ability to learn more than just one folder per
> user, so I'll be able to e.g. tell apart certain kinds of support
> requests into different folders and such) and it was really easy.

Would this be as easy as replacing/duplicating a single file/module?
If so, which? Some of the classes in storage.py are strange to me.
Do I just inherit classifier.Classifier and implement load and store?

Then I define a hook in dbmstorage?

I think I will try to upgrade from dumbdbm first. I can't use
Python 2.3 though because it breaks a bunch of stuff... :/

-Tomi


From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 18:10:45 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:11:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Storage
In-Reply-To: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHKENJGIAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[io219@comcast.net]
> Would it be worth writing an alternate storage module for SpamBayes to
> save data in an MSSQL database (or whatever) for
> reliability/stability?
>
> Could this be done without losing synchronization with official
> SpamBayes? Could official SpamBayes allow this functionality via
> pluggable storage?

The spambayes code supports many back-end storage schemes, from a single
pickle of a giant Python dictionary, to BTree-based mappings stored in ZODB
and accessed via ZEO (the latter is hiding in the pspam subdirectory).

Adding another one shouldn't be hard, provided you've done it before <wink>.

However, there's already support for Berkeley's bsddb, and there's no reason
to suspect that it's lacking.  Tracebacks in your other msgs showed you were
picking up dumbdbm, which is thoroughly unsuitable for this project, and
which suffered a deadly shutdown-race bug leading to database corruption
before Python 2.3.  Install a modern Berkeley and I expect you'll lose the
itch to muck with adding more database options.


From richie at entrian.com  Wed Aug  6 23:29:20 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:17:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Another bug...
In-Reply-To: <19810580735.20030806152129@comcast.net>
References: <19810580735.20030806152129@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <gms2jv81i5d10eu6ctguv6btr8s01qeqih@4ax.com>

Hi Tomi,

You database problems, and your suggestion of using a better database, are
answered by FAQ 5.2:

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corrupted

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 11:27:37 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:28:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good stuff
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F5C4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Darn good program. Got a question though.
> Is there any problem if I were to install
> SpamBayes client on all my machines at work?
> We're talking potentially 100+ machines???

Assuming that you're not talking about sharing a database or anything
like that, then there's no reason why there would be any difference to
having it install on any 100 machines.

Or maybe you mean in terms of a license?  No problem there either,
install away as much as you like.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 11:29:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:30:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F5C5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> how do i uninstall spambayes from my computer?

If you are using the binary Outlook plug-in, do the same thing that you
would do for removing any program (Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
...).  You'll probably have to delete the toolbar in Outlook yourself
(right click on a toolbar, choose customise).

If you are using the Outlook binary from source, run "addin.py
--unregister".

If you are using one of the other apps, then just undo whatever changes
you made when you installed (the mail servers in your client, for
example), and then delete the spambayes folder.

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug  6 17:40:55 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:43:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Storage
In-Reply-To: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>
References: <1434411015.20030806152402@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16177.30183.478787.956505@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tomi> Would it be worth writing an alternate storage module for
    Tomi> SpamBayes to save data in an MSSQL database (or whatever) for
    Tomi> reliability/stability?

Perhaps.  I have a "todo" item to push my PostgreSQL database stuff into
CVS.  Another person (Anthony?) has some MySQL patches waiting on that.  I
doubt MSSQL would be terribly difficult to add either, though I have no
experience with it so I could be waaay off base.

    Tomi> Could this be done without losing synchronization with official
    Tomi> SpamBayes?  Could official SpamBayes allow this functionality via
    Tomi> pluggable storage?

Maybe.  What do you mean by "losing synchronization with official
SpamBayes"?

Skip


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 11:47:08 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:47:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Highlighted message is unread
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F5E6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have Outlook set up to mark the current message highlighted 
> as read. After I installed this filter, when I highlight a 
> message, it marks it as read for about 1 second, then 
> re-marks it as unread, so I have to click on a different item 
> and come back to it before it is marked as read. Is there a 
> way to fix this, or is this a bug?

This sounds like a variant of:
[ 716684 ] Filtering marks message as unread
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=716684&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103>

According to the tracker, this is fixed in version 006 - which version
are you using?  If not 006, then please upgrade.  If you are using 006,
please please add as much information as possible to that tracker, and
reopen it.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 11:50:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:51:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] enable
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F5ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have outlook 2002 (xp), how do you enable spambayes?

You've installed it, right?  And set it up as the about file tells you
to?

Have you gone through the steps in FAQ 3.8?

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-is-the-enable-filter-butt
on-grayed-out>

(And ticked the "enable filtering" box?)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 11:54:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:54:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Sweden?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F5F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Dear reader, I wonder if you currently have any 
> contacts/retailers/agents in Sweden? If not, I am interested 
> in representing you in Sweden as well as doing PR for you, in 
> Sweden and perhaps globally - I have the network for that.
> 
> DS! Could you send me a copy of the software and "manual" so 
> I can try if it catches 99% of the spam? Best regards.

Now is this spam, or an honest mistake?  It scores 0.0 (rounded) for me,
but then my classifier is biased towards considering mail from this list
as ham (if I'm reading it right, it scored 0.057 with Greg's system).

If it was serious: please read FAQ 4.15 which should clear some things
up:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#do-i-have-to-pay-for-spambaye
s-can-i-pay-you-money-if-i-really-want-to>

If you want to download the software, please visit the download's page
<wink>.
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download.html>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 11:57:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:57:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I hope this is not a dumb question.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F5F5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm running Outlook XP against an Exchange 5.5 server.  I am 
> using a normal interface; i.e., I am not using POP3.  When I 
> went to configure SpamBayes so it leaves good mail in my 
> inbox, it made me create a PST file named test.

When did it prompt you to do this?  This shouldn't be necessary at all.
Have you selected folders in the Exchange store for all the filtering
folders?

> Do I have to 
> have my mail delivered to a PST to use this?

No, not at all.  I use both Exchange and POP, but all my mail is
delivered to the Exchange inbox, and spambayes works fine for me.  All
my rules, and spambayes filtering, also moves mail within the Exchange
store, and not to a pst.

=Tony Meyer

From pkipe at corpdatasys.com  Wed Aug  6 17:13:36 2003
From: pkipe at corpdatasys.com (Peter N. Kipe)
Date: Wed Aug  6 18:59:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Training
Message-ID: <000101c35c57$38a603a0$1505a8c0@CDS002>


After installing SpamBayes, I trained it with my inbox (which contained only
ham), and a folder that contained spam identified by a utility I had been
using called SAproxy.  After training, I realized that the messages in the
spam folder were not the original spams, but were instead messages created
by SAproxy that contained attachments of the original spam messages.  It
seemed to me that SpamBayes had probably trained itself to be aware of
SAproxy spam messages, but not the original ones.

So I created a new folder, manually copied 90 spam attachments to it, then
re-trained SpamBayes.  In re-training, I browsed to the new spam folder,
checked Rebuild Entire Database, then ran it.  After training, the Manager
still shows the message, "Database has no training data".  After enabling
SpamBayes, highlighting an item in my inbox and clicking the "Delete as
Spam" button, I get the message "You must enable SpamBayes before you can
delete as spam."

I uninstalled, then reinstalled SpamBayes, and Trained it as before.  This
time, it appeared to train correctly, however the message, "Database has 23
good and 6 spam" appears next to the Train Now button.  There were 23
messages in my inbox, and 90 unread messages in my new spam folder.  And
when I attempt to delete as spam, I continue to get the message, "You must
enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam."

By the way, after clicking Filter Now, setting options, then clicking Start
Filtering, I get the message, "Found 0 spam, 0 unsure and 0 good messages."
When I click Close, the Enable Filtering checkbox is disabled and unchecked.

In the Filter Now dialog, "Filter the following folders" contains Inbox and
SpamBayes (the name I gave to my new spam folder).

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Peter Kipe
From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 19:00:10 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:00:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Another bug...
In-Reply-To: <gms2jv81i5d10eu6ctguv6btr8s01qeqih@4ax.com>
References: <19810580735.20030806152129@comcast.net>
	<gms2jv81i5d10eu6ctguv6btr8s01qeqih@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <474885521.20030806180010@comcast.net>


--> Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 4:29:20 PM, you wrote:

> You database problems, and your suggestion of using a better database, are
> answered by FAQ 5.2:

> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corrupted

Thank you, but I am slightly wary to install the Berkeley DB for now.
How does Berkeley DB compare to SQLite? I try to keep all my data in MSSQL
or SQLite. I will write a module for either to drive SpamBayes if I can.

-Tomi


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 12:09:31 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:10:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Another bug...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F605@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Thank you, but I am slightly wary to install the Berkeley DB 
> for now. How does Berkeley DB compare to SQLite?

Well, I can definitely say that almost everyone using spambayes uses the
Berkeley DB for storage, and if it wasn't any good, we'd all have moved
to *SQL or ZODB or still be using pickles.

> I try to 
> keep all my data in MSSQL or SQLite. I will write a module 
> for either to drive SpamBayes if I can.

Make sure you do take a look at the mySQL patch that's on sf - this
should be a reasonable head-start.  I did write it as an exercise,
though, so there's definitely room for improvement (in particular,
storing the tokens in a separate table is not worthwhile, IMO).  You
should be able to convince Skip to show you his SQL classifier, too,
which should help.  If you do write your own, please consider submitting
it back as a patch (it could just be on that same tracker if you like).

<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=756413&group_
id=61702&atid=498105>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 12:14:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:15:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I hope this is not a dumb question.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F60A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> It asked to create the file when I selected the Train Now 
> button so I could select my Inbox.  I haven't been able to 
> choose the other two folders I created because, like the 
> "good" folder, there is nothing in the list for the PST it created.

Bizarre.  I've never seen a report of this before.  In any case, though,
if you click the Browse buttons in the Train Now dialog you should be
presented with all the folders available to Outlook (Exchange, pst and
whatever else).  If some (or all!) aren't visible, then Spambayes is
probably having trouble accessing them - there should be errors about
this in the logs (the troubleshooting guide has information about where
to find the logs).  If you could pass on the most recent log, that would
be great.

> Should I delete it and try re-installing?

Couldn't hurt, since you don't have any training to lose.  If you do,
make sure that you delete the contents of the spambayes folder in your
"Application Data" folder (this includes the configuration files, which
are not removed on uninstall).  This FAQ tells you where to find that:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-back-up-the-outlook-dat
abase-should-i-do-this>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 12:36:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:37:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Send error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302A9F62C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Given that the response to an RSET is the same irregardless 
> of which connection, what do you think is the problem?
> 
> I've been using Mozilla mail before this with exactly the 
> same settings in pop3proxy and never encountered any such 
> problem. From what I can determine so far, mail does get 
> sent. Only when RSET is sent is the error encountered.

This is very strange!  Does any traceback at all appear from pop3proxy?

If you change the onRSET function in smtpproxy to:
    def onRSET(self, command, args):
        print command, args
        return "250 OK\n"

What do you get displayed?  Does this change the behaviour at all?

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug  7 10:38:27 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:38:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 hangs Outlook XP if Python 2.3 and McAfee? 
In-Reply-To: <000001c35c5b$8e5b6700$0601010a@gkiddxp2>
Message-ID: <03ef01c35c73$d6b4e680$f502a8c0@eden>

> I've been using the 1.0a4 source from CVS for quite some time
> with Python
> 2.2.3, Outlook XP SP1, XP SP1.
>
> I switched to Python 2.3, which worked fine, and then I
> installed McAfee
> VShield. Bad move -- Outlook would hang when downloading
> mail. Uninstalling
> McAfee fixed the problem, but every time I rebooted McAfee
> would be back
> (yaaaargh! -- it's like spyware).
>
> I've reinstalled McAfee without the email part of the scanner, and
> backgraded to 2.2.3 for SpamBayes, and after retraining (my database
> vanished) everything's fine.

Thanks for that info.  Bug
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=770397&group_id=61
702&atid=498103 sounds similar - I added a link to your mail to it.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug  7 10:47:18 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:47:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Training
In-Reply-To: <000101c35c57$38a603a0$1505a8c0@CDS002>
Message-ID: <03f501c35c75$13cda880$f502a8c0@eden>

I'm afraid I have no idea why you had problems in the first place, but...

> I uninstalled, then reinstalled SpamBayes, and Trained it as
> before.  This
> time, it appeared to train correctly, however the message,
> "Database has 23
> good and 6 spam" appears next to the Train Now button.  There were 23
> messages in my inbox, and 90 unread messages in my new spam
> folder.

It is likely that you have struck a bug in the 006 release here, meaning on
6 of the 90 showed up.  Either that, of the Spam tool you were using before
removed so much of the original Spam message that SpamBayes was unable to
see it as a message.

I suggest you just stick with the 6 it has trained on, and wait for new,
fresh spam to appear.  These new ones are likely to be picked up fine.  FYI,
the bug I mentioned above is very rare, and has never actually been reported
by a user yet.

> And
> when I attempt to delete as spam, I continue to get the
> message, "You must
> enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam."

The dialog sounds like it is ready to be enabled.  All you should need to do
is to click on the "Enable Spambayes" from the main SpamBayes manager
dialog.

> When I click Close, the Enable Filtering checkbox is disabled
> and unchecked.

I'm really not sure.  I would suggest deleting your old spam folder and
waiting for a few new ones to come in.  Then exit Outlook, and delete the
SpamBayes configuration file (uninstalling does *not* remove the SpamBayes
configuration file).  See
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/docs/configuration.html for how to locate the configuration
file - just delete it.

Then restart Outlook, and re-configure SpamBayes from scratch using only the
new spam.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug  7 10:48:48 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:48:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Drop Down Menu
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLJFHEKDJOMOAAJMKOEMECJAA.kbrom@srds.com>
Message-ID: <03f601c35c75$48ce1420$f502a8c0@eden>

Please see the troubleshooting guide - the online version is at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html.  It sounds like you need to reset
your toolbars.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Kim Bromund
> Sent: Thursday, 7 August 2003 2:01 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Drop Down Menu
>
>
> I am having trouble using the drop down menu to look at the
> filters that
> were setup.  Could you please reply back with a solution?
>
> Thanks,
> Sergio
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug  7 10:51:06 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug  6 19:51:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a little help-
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0E7@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <03f701c35c75$9c9d7640$f502a8c0@eden>

> But Diane's installation procedure was incomplete anyway, 
> wasn't it? There's a machine-specific component (installing 
> the Outlook add-in) and a user-specific component (getting 
> the SpamBayes buttons to display). 

I'm not sure what you mean here.  There is generally only one procedure -
execute the installtion .EXE.

Currently SpamBayes only supports installtion for a single user, not for
every user on the machine.  I'd be happy for someone to look at this.

Mark.
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug  6 20:06:19 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Aug  6 20:06:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
Message-ID: <16177.38907.329762.442311@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I just checked in a simple change to spambayes/dbmstorage.py which erases
dumbdbm from the candidate dbm-style modules.  The remaining three
candidates are gdbm, bsddb3 (aka PyBSDDB, aka bsddb in Python 2.3), and
bsddb (before Python 2.3).  If you were using dumbdbm previously, you will
have to retrain.

(Should the plain old dbm module be considered?  If available, its
restrictions on key and value length shouldn't be a problem.)

Skip

From io219 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 22:47:27 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Aug  6 22:47:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
In-Reply-To: <16177.38907.329762.442311@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <16177.38907.329762.442311@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1977718172.20030806214727@comcast.net>


--> Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 7:06:19 PM, you wrote:

> I just checked in a simple change to spambayes/dbmstorage.py which erases
> dumbdbm from the candidate dbm-style modules.  The remaining three
> candidates are gdbm, bsddb3 (aka PyBSDDB, aka bsddb in Python 2.3), and
> bsddb (before Python 2.3).  If you were using dumbdbm previously, you will
> have to retrain.

> (Should the plain old dbm module be considered?  If available, its
> restrictions on key and value length shouldn't be a problem.)

Haha, Ok how about SQLite?

  http://sqlite.org
  http://pysqlite.sourceforge.net/downloads/index.html
  http://cvs.hwaci.com/sqlite/wiki

  http://www.ch-werner.de/sqliteodbc/
  http://www.kraslabs.com/sqlite/screen.html
  http://jclement.ca/software/tadpole/

I've looked at the MySQL Classifier and will probably have to write MSSQL
and SQLite Classifiers, especially since I cannot upgrade anymore now.. :p

Where's the schema?

-Tomi


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 18:27:50 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug  7 01:28:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3068@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Haha, Ok how about SQLite?
> I've looked at the MySQL Classifier and will probably
> have to write MSSQL and SQLite Classifiers,

Take a look at the newly checked in version of storage.py (note that I
think sf anon cvs is still on their up-to-24-hours-delayed cvs server,
so you might not be able to see it right away).  Skip added a base
SQLClassifier class (and did a much better job of it than my original
patch :), plus a PGClassifier class, and I added a mySQLClassifier
class.  Given how simple creating the mySQL class was, I suspect a
SQLite or MSSQL class should be pretty straightforward.

If you're interested in using one of these classes 'in production', then
I would recommend you check out Skip's post to the -dev list where he
notes potential problems.  We're very open to suggestions for
improvement!

> especially since
> I cannot upgrade anymore now.. :p

You could just use pickles, of course.  They're still an improvement
over dumbdbm (in this case).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug  7 18:30:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug  7 01:31:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Send error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF306B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I think you lost me there! I'm totally ignorant of Python!

Sorry.

> Where will I find the traceback? I can't seem to find any logs.

It would appear in the console window that you ran "pop3proxy.py -b" in
(under the status messages that it first prints out).  If nothing else
appeared (which I suspect will be the case), then there is no traceback.

> I also looked at smtpproxy.py -
> The current function onRset reads as follows -
[...]
> Did you want me to replace this with your suggested code 
> verbatim?

Yes please.

> I guess I'll need to restart pop3proxy.py to have 
> this take effect.

Yes.

> And then I should telnet to the proxy port 
> again and send the RSET. Is this right? 

Yes, and also try doing a normal send in evolution and see if that
works.  A RSET command should only respond with "250 OK" anyway (unless
something isn't ok!), so this cuts past anything else. The print
statement will show me what the actual SMTP server is responding with.

=Tony Meyer

From Tiacangelo at APWUHP.com  Thu Aug  7 09:06:06 2003
From: Tiacangelo at APWUHP.com (Iacangelo, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug  7 08:07:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
Message-ID: <3F557C5C005F2F47818CAD999CCB5CB12DAC55@apwuexch.apwuhp.com>

I have read several articles about SpamBayes lately - ALL POSITIVE!  I
support a small office of around 100 Microsoft Exchange 2000 users who
constantly complain about spam.  My current solution to block unwanted
SPAM (Symantec product) also blocks legitimate email - so I seem to get
more complaints than I did before.  My question is this: Do you plan to
develop a version to support Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?

 

Thanks,

 

Tony Iacangelo

Network Engineer

APWU Health Plan

12345 Columbia Pike

Silver Spring, MD. 20904

(301) 622-5759
 
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This email contains information that may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by telephone (301) 622-1700, or by email, Tiacangelo@APWUHP.com.
 

 
From eclairvoyant at valro.qc.ca  Thu Aug  7 09:08:00 2003
From: eclairvoyant at valro.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_ERO._Clairvoyant?=)
Date: Thu Aug  7 08:08:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
Message-ID: <1888B5BA2108BC43A4756557073D05B90B2C1F@exchange.VALRO.local>

Un avertissement concernant la confidentialit? suit ce message.

A warning concerning confidentiality follows this message. 

 

I follow all the information when I try to put a message in the spam the
SpamBayes said:

 

You must enable SpamBayes beore you can delete as spam.

 

I have the latest version downloaded this morning and I have Microsoft
Outlook XP

 

Waste of time since 1 hours just to try to make it running
.

 

Regards,

 

 

?ric ERO. Clairvoyant <mailto:eclairvoyant@valro.qc.ca> 

Consultant en s?curit?

MCP Exchange 2000, MCP 2000, MCP NT 4

Le <http://www.valro.qc.ca/>  Groupe Valro

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T?l. : (418) 626-6200

T?l?c. : (418) 626-6082

 

Un <http://www.dcain.ca/>  mod?le de s?curit? informatique : D.C.A.I.N.

 

 

AVERTISSEMENT CONCERNANT LA CONFIDENTIALIT?

 

Ce message, son contenu et ses pi?ces jointes (le cas ?ch?ant) sont
confidentiels et exclusivement adress?s ? son destinataire principal et
aux autres destinataires indiqu?s (le cas ?ch?ant). Si vous avez re?u ce
message alors que vous n'?tes pas un destinataire d?sign?, veuillez en
aviser imm?diatement l??metteur et d?truire ce message et les pi?ces
jointes.

 

WARNING REGARDING CONFIDENTIALITY

 

This e-mail, its contents and attachment (if necessary) are confidential
and are exclusively addressed to its principal recipient and to the other
recipients indicated (if necessary).  If you received this e-mail whereas
you are not the designated recipient, please inform immediately the
originator of the email and destroy it completely. 

 

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug  8 00:15:08 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:15:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
In-Reply-To: <1888B5BA2108BC43A4756557073D05B90B2C1F@exchange.VALRO.local>
Message-ID: <015801c35ce5$ecdc90d0$f502a8c0@eden>

> I follow all the information when I try to put a message in
> the spam the
> SpamBayes said:
>
>
>
> You must enable SpamBayes beore you can delete as spam.

This seems to be a common problem that a few people are striking.

This error means you should go to the "SpamBayes Manager", and select the
"Enable filtering" button.  Before you can do this, you will need to have
successfully trained and configured SpamBayes.

However, a number of people seem to be having problems with this, and are
unable to select "Enable filtering", even when everything seems correctly
configured and trained.  Unfortunately, we really don't know what is going
on here - it seems to work fine for most people.  I assume you have tried
restarting Outlook?  If not, try that.  If that does work, please let us
know.

Mark.


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug  7 09:26:27 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:26:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
In-Reply-To: <1977718172.20030806214727@comcast.net>
References: <16177.38907.329762.442311@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1977718172.20030806214727@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16178.21379.733607.655115@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> (Should the plain old dbm module be considered?  If available, its
    >> restrictions on key and value length shouldn't be a problem.)

    Tomi> Haha, Ok how about SQLite?

I've never used it, but there's a SQLClassifier class there now which you
can subclass.

    Tomi> Where's the schema?

In PGClassifier I have this:

        self.table_definition = ("create table bayes ("
                                 "  word bytea not null default '',"
                                 "  nspam integer not null default 0,"
                                 "  nham integer not null default 0,"
                                 "  primary key(word)"
                                 ")")

Tony put a similar definition in his mySQLClassifier.

Skip

From augerc at csdm.qc.ca  Thu Aug  7 10:28:32 2003
From: augerc at csdm.qc.ca (Auger Christian)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:57:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug ?
Message-ID: <0934F1ACB770DC438DAD250E6A1DA58103D8096F@xchange2.csdm.qc.ca>

Hello,
 
I'm not able to install the software ? This is the message error :
 

 
 
Can you help me ?
 
Thank you !
 
Christian Auger
Adjoint administratif
EMICA
596-3330
 
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug  7 10:06:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Aug  7 10:06:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
In-Reply-To: <3F557C5C005F2F47818CAD999CCB5CB12DAC55@apwuexch.apwuhp.com>
References: <3F557C5C005F2F47818CAD999CCB5CB12DAC55@apwuexch.apwuhp.com>
Message-ID: <16178.23775.712439.814310@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> My question is this: Do you plan to develop a version to support
    Tony> Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?

IANAWP, but I thought the Outlook plugin worked with Exchange.  Are you
asking for a version to install into the Exchange server itself?  Is there a
reason you users can't each install the current plugin?

Skip

From Stuart at tessco.com  Thu Aug  7 11:21:43 2003
From: Stuart at tessco.com (Stuart, Bill)
Date: Thu Aug  7 10:22:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
Message-ID: <1FD2979B57654E4CAB54AE001EDFED270449644D@xmail01.tessco.com>

> From: Iacangelo, Tony [mailto:Tiacangelo@APWUHP.com]
> 
> I have read several articles about SpamBayes lately - ALL POSITIVE!  I
> support a small office of around 100 Microsoft Exchange 2000 users who
> constantly complain about spam.  My current solution to block unwanted
> SPAM (Symantec product) also blocks legitimate email - so I seem to get
> more complaints than I did before.  My question is this: Do you plan to
> develop a version to support Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony Iacangelo
[...]

Tony,
This is answered in the SpamBayes FAQ:
http://shorterlink.com/?TXSZKJ  

 - Bill
   stuart@tessco.com 
   Hunt Valley, MD, USA

From hwilkins at harrahs.com  Thu Aug  7 11:52:38 2003
From: hwilkins at harrahs.com (Bobby Wilkins)
Date: Thu Aug  7 11:53:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
Message-ID: <F413609729667C40B15EE599A43A94B801A0A0A3@entcmail1.harrahs.org>

Actually, the FAQ makes some suggestions, but what I'd like to see if feasible is the filter running on the server, but using server-scripting or something similar to still filter per-user.  

Has anyone started think along those lines as yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart, Bill [mailto:Stuart@tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:22 AM
To: 'Iacangelo, Tony'
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms


> From: Iacangelo, Tony [mailto:Tiacangelo@APWUHP.com]
> 
> I have read several articles about SpamBayes lately - ALL POSITIVE!  I
> support a small office of around 100 Microsoft Exchange 2000 users who
> constantly complain about spam.  My current solution to block unwanted
> SPAM (Symantec product) also blocks legitimate email - so I seem to get
> more complaints than I did before.  My question is this: Do you plan to
> develop a version to support Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony Iacangelo
[...]

Tony,
This is answered in the SpamBayes FAQ:
http://shorterlink.com/?TXSZKJ  

 - Bill
   stuart@tessco.com 
   Hunt Valley, MD, USA

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Aug  7 13:20:42 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Aug  7 12:20:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0EC@SPIKE.city>

Be careful what you ask for; you may get it. Despite the justifiably acclaimed efficacy of the current (client-centered) Spambayes implementation, it evidently still has a few bugs and anomalies to be worked out. These aren't hard to deal with at the client-machine level, but might be much more troublesome on a server. I'd vote for deferring any server-based filtering until the current product matures for a while.

Another thing: Bayesian filtering is inherently slooooow. Most modern PCs have more than enough power to absorb this increased computational load, since processing email isn't, by itself, a very CPU-intensive operation. But if you threw that load onto your Exchange Server, you might suddenly find yourself short of CPU power or memory, or both.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bobby Wilkins [mailto:hwilkins@harrahs.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: Stuart, Bill; Iacangelo, Tony
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
> 
> 
> Actually, the FAQ makes some suggestions, but what I'd like 
> to see if feasible is the filter running on the server, but 
> using server-scripting or something similar to still filter 
> per-user.  
> 
> Has anyone started think along those lines as yet?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart, Bill [mailto:Stuart@tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:22 AM
> To: 'Iacangelo, Tony'
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
> 
> 
> > From: Iacangelo, Tony [mailto:Tiacangelo@APWUHP.com]
> > 
> > I have read several articles about SpamBayes lately - ALL 
> POSITIVE!  I
> > support a small office of around 100 Microsoft Exchange 
> 2000 users who
> > constantly complain about spam.  My current solution to 
> block unwanted
> > SPAM (Symantec product) also blocks legitimate email - so I 
> seem to get
> > more complaints than I did before.  My question is this: Do 
> you plan to
> > develop a version to support Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Tony Iacangelo
> [...]
> 
> Tony,
> This is answered in the SpamBayes FAQ:
> http://shorterlink.com/?TXSZKJ  
> 
>  - Bill
>    stuart@tessco.com 
>    Hunt Valley, MD, USA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From klong at firstbankslo.com  Thu Aug  7 10:37:51 2003
From: klong at firstbankslo.com (Ken Long)
Date: Thu Aug  7 12:38:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes Digest, Vol 60, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <E19klH4-0005HJ-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <018401c35d02$3e554800$3b1526a6@NOVELL.FIRSTBANKSLO.COM>

>From: "Iacangelo, Tony" <Tiacangelo@APWUHP.com>

>I support a small office of around 100 Microsoft Exchange 2000 users
who constantly complain 
>about spam.  My current solution to block unwanted SPAM (Symantec
product) also blocks legitimate
>email - so I seem to get more complaints than I did before.  

I think one of the best things about Spambayes is that you shift the
burden of deciding what is spam to the user.  They're the ones
complaining- this gives them a way to do something about it that doesn't
involved complaining.  I think implementing Spambayes at the server
level only will tend to block messages that half your users want to
receive and the other half don't- causing a "can't please everyone"
condition.  Implementing at the user level can please everyone and, more
importantly, they never lose a legitimate email because they can always
check their own spam filters.

The drawback, of course, is waste of corporate resources since spam gets
through the mail server.  So I guess you can't please EVERYONE... Just
maybe all your users.

Ken


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug  7 13:33:24 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Aug  7 13:33:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0EC@SPIKE.city>
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0EC@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <16178.36196.603877.959893@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Bob> Another thing: Bayesian filtering is inherently slooooow. 

I run SpamBayes on a modest server (550MHz PIII running Linux which also
serves as a web and database server), filtering email for several email
addresses with no trouble.  Unless the web server is heavily loaded, the
load average is generally around 0.5.

On my Mac it takes around 0.01 seconds to score a small message which is
already in memory.  Here's a real quick demo (h is an object returned by
hammie.open()):

    >>> glob.glob("*.msg")
    ['27314.msg', 'badspam.msg', 'diploma.msg', 'foo.msg', 'gibberish.msg', 'sqr.msg']
    >>> for f in glob.glob("*.msg"):
    ...   msg = file(f).read()
    ...   t = time.time()
    ...   s = h.score(msg)
    ...   t = time.time()-t
    ...   print "t: %.3f, size: %d, bytes/sec: %.1f" % (t, len(msg), len(msg)/t)
    ... 
    t: 0.008, size: 1870, bytes/sec: 246572.5
    t: 0.161, size: 214051, bytes/sec: 1327917.4
    t: 0.011, size: 2366, bytes/sec: 222682.3
    t: 0.011, size: 3741, bytes/sec: 351896.6
    t: 0.018, size: 4933, bytes/sec: 278182.3
    t: 0.094, size: 8714, bytes/sec: 92651.9

I spend a lot more energy than that because I use hammiefilter in a procmail
setup and wind up firing up the whole system for each message.  If SpamBayes
were running inside Exchange (with the filter engine all primed and ready to
go), I think you'd be okay.

Still, why waste all those cycles sitting on peoples' desks?

Skip

From augerc at csdm.qc.ca  Thu Aug  7 15:01:35 2003
From: augerc at csdm.qc.ca (Auger Christian)
Date: Thu Aug  7 14:02:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] BUg !
Message-ID: <0934F1ACB770DC438DAD250E6A1DA58103D80973@xchange2.csdm.qc.ca>

Hi !
 
This is the error file :
 
Error connecting to Outlook!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1028, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 723, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 247, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 518, in LoadConfig
  File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 6:
ordinal not in range(128)
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin\r\n\r\nPlease
re-start Outlook and try again.'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1028, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 723, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 247, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 518, in LoadConfig
  File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 6:
ordinal not in range(128)
 
 
Please tell me what's the bug and how to fix it.
 
Thanks
 
Christian Auger
Adjoint administratif
EMICA
596-3330
 
From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug  7 16:02:50 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Aug  7 16:02:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] BUg !
In-Reply-To: <0934F1ACB770DC438DAD250E6A1DA58103D80973@xchange2.csdm.qc.ca>
References: <0934F1ACB770DC438DAD250E6A1DA58103D80973@xchange2.csdm.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <16178.45162.809407.7500@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Christian> Hi !
    Christian> This is the error file :
    ...
    Christian> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in
    Christian> position 6: ordinal not in range(128)
 
    Christian> Please tell me what's the bug and how to fix it.

What version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  I believe this was fixed
in 004 or 005.  If you're not running the most recent version I suggest you
upgrade to it and see if that solves the problem.

Skip


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug  8 11:03:44 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug  7 18:04:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3124@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My current solution to block unwanted SPAM (Symantec product) 
> also blocks legitimate email - so I seem to get more 
> complaints than I did before.

Rightly so!  A false positive is much worse than the spam itself.  The
people that provide me with this email account have a system that does
terribly, but I can (and have) opt out, so I just get lots of valid mail
tagged as spam (annoyingly the perpends [SPAM] onto the subject, which
doesn't help my classifier do its thing).

> My question is this: Do you 
> plan to develop a version to support Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?

Like the other responses, I do think that each individual should have a
separate database, although this doesn't mean that the program couldn't
run on the server.  Having a ~3Mb database for each user might be too
expensive, but I suspect that you could reduce this by doing the storage
in a database (mySQL, postgreSQL and ZODB are all able to be used by
spambayes), but rather than the current system where each user has a
separate table with their token counts, have the individual tables have
references to a shared table of tokens, although I'm not certain that
this would save space.  (A couple of people (Alex? Skip?) did some
analysis on the frequency of tokens across databases a little while back
that would be in the spambayes-dev archives).

All this shouldn't be all that difficult to put together (particularly
if you slot in the classifier before Exchange rather than doing a tight
integration).  The question, really, (as someone else said), is whether
there is any benefit to doing this as compared to getting the users to
install it themselves (especially since they probably have lots of hd
space and processor cycles to spare).  One thing you might be able to do
is (once it's sufficiently trained!) delete or quarantine messages that
score above (or equal to) a certain threshold (say 1.00 rounded), thus
avoiding them ever being seen by the user.  (Another recent thread on
spambayes-dev discussed the deletion of 1.00 (rounded) messages).

I suspect that for the moment at least, no-one doing spambayes
development has an Exchange server with users to test on, which means
that no-one will be doing this development (the "your itch" problem).
OTOH, if you found someone willing to put the time into it, the code
should support it easily enough.

You may also be interested in reading the comments in the archives (and
some at http://spambayes.org/server_side.html) about those that *have*
implemented spambayes server-side.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug  8 11:08:08 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug  7 18:09:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3128@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > You could just use pickles, of course.  They're still an 
> > improvement over dumbdbm (in this case).
> Where do I make SpamBayes use pickles?

The best way is to change your configuration file.  Add the following
line in the [Storage] section (create the section if it's not already
there).

    persistent_use_database: False

(True is the default, which means use some sort of dbm.)

This option isn't exposed by the web ui config page, for some reason
(this is perhaps one reason that so many people are using dumbdbm and
don't know about pickles!).

=Tony Meyer

From mikes at members-insurance.com  Thu Aug  7 19:41:00 2003
From: mikes at members-insurance.com (Michael K. Schummers)
Date: Thu Aug  7 18:43:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes binary v6 quirks
Message-ID: <000001c35d35$472a4bf0$d60000c8@PRK94>

I updated two machines to V6 of the binary loader and run into a few quirks
that I have not seen in the bug list or discussed in the distribution. Both
machines are XP Pro SP1 with Outlook 2000 on one machine and Outlook 2002 on
the other.
On the Outlook 2002 machine, v6 loaded without indication of error (either
in the process or the log) and it appeared to be correct after installation
except it was non functional - not filtering and none of the buttons would
function beyond the visual indication of being "pressed". On this machine I
had not uninstalled v5 so my first step was to uninstall v6 (thru Control
Panel as any other application). Upon reinstalling, I still had the same
situation. I uninstalled, then removed all the files in C:\Documents and
Settings\{user}\Application Data\SpamBayes and tried again. Still no help. I
then looked in the Com Add-in's to ensure that it was enabled. It was
checked as enabled. At the Com Add-in box, I removed the SpamBayes DLL and
then reattached it through the Com Add-in's tools, exited Outlook, restarted
Outlook and it has been working fine since. I am still not sure what
approach I should take when v7 of the binary installer occurs.
?
On the other machine, with Outlook 2000, the installation proceeded without
apparent problem (either visually in the process or in the log) and has
worked well except (there is always an "except") some messages are not
being?spam scored. I don't see any pattern to which messages are missed. I
have experimented with the delay timings (timer_start_delay)?in v6 between
2000 and 4000 and timer_interval between 1000 and 2000 with no apparent
effect. If I go into the SpamBayes Manager and force a "Filter Now" on the
messages in the Inbox, they score without apparent problem (so I don't think
it is related to message content). Has anyone had any experience with the
timing parameters as to whether this might be a solution?? Am I missing the
intent of these parameters?
Example section:
[Experimental]
timer_start_delay:2000
timer_interval:1000
Michael K. Schummers
General Manager

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug  8 09:58:42 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug  7 18:58:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes binary v6 quirks
In-Reply-To: <000001c35d35$472a4bf0$d60000c8@PRK94>
Message-ID: <016501c35d37$74147cb0$f502a8c0@eden>

> Still no help. I
> then looked in the Com Add-in's to ensure that it was enabled. It was
> checked as enabled. At the Com Add-in box, I removed the
> SpamBayes DLL and
> then reattached it through the Com Add-in's tools, exited
> Outlook, restarted
> Outlook and it has been working fine since. I am still not sure what
> approach I should take when v7 of the binary installer occurs.

It is possible that you struck the "dead toolbar buttons" but.  We still
aren't sure what causes this.

> On the other machine, with Outlook 2000, the installation
> proceeded without
> apparent problem (either visually in the process or in the
> log) and has
> worked well except (there is always an "except") some messages are not
> being?spam scored. I don't see any pattern to which messages
> are missed. I
> have experimented with the delay timings (timer_start_delay)?
> in v6 between
> 2000 and 4000 and timer_interval between 1000 and 2000 with
> no apparent
> effect. If I go into the SpamBayes Manager and force a
> "Filter Now" on the
> messages in the Inbox, they score without apparent problem
> (so I don't think
> it is related to message content). Has anyone had any
> experience with the
> timing parameters as to whether this might be a solution?? Am
> I missing the
> intent of these parameters?

If you check the log file for that machine, does it indicate that a timer
was started to process missed messages?  Many people have reported that the
timer stops SpamBayes missing messages like this.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug  8 10:01:32 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug  7 19:01:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug ?
In-Reply-To: <0934F1ACB770DC438DAD250E6A1DA58103D8096F@xchange2.csdm.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <016f01c35d37$d8a74090$f502a8c0@eden>

We have heard of this problem happening in 2 scenarios:

* You use Word as your mail editor, and that a hidden Word process is still
running.
* You are using McAfee virus scanner.

If the first applies, reboot and install before starting Outlook.  If the
second, disable McAfee.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Auger Christian
> Sent: Thursday, 7 August 2003 11:29 PM
> To: 'SpamBayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Bug ?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not able to install the software ? This is the message error :
>
>
>
>
> Can you help me ?
>
> Thank you !
>
> Christian Auger
> Adjoint administratif
> EMICA
> 596-3330
>
>


From io219 at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 19:08:29 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Aug  7 19:08:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3128@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3128@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <09143027.20030807180829@comcast.net>


>> > You could just use pickles, of course.  They're still an
>> > improvement over dumbdbm (in this case).
>> Where do I make SpamBayes use pickles?

> The best way is to change your configuration file.  Add the following
> line in the [Storage] section (create the section if it's not already
> there).

>     persistent_use_database: False

I've updated to the latest CVS with the new DB changes from yesterday.
I am without dumbdbm now, but with the following in my bayescustomize.ini :

  [Storage]
  persistent_use_database=False
  persistent_use_database:False

I get the following stack trace...

  C:\Python22\Scripts>pop3proxy.py
  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "C:\Python22\Scripts\pop3proxy.py", line 96, in ?
      import spambayes.message
    File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 137, in ?
      msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name)
    File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 113, in __init
  __
      self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
    File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 53, in open
  
      return f(*args)
    File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 39, in open
  _best
      raise error("No dbm modules available!")
  spambayes.dbmstorage.error: No dbm modules available!
  
  C:\Python22\Scripts>

I thought at first the raise was left in on accident, so I commented it..
This lets me check my mail at least but I get a ton of these, I think one
for each message...

  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "C:\Python22\Scripts\pop3proxy.py", line 435, in onRetr
      msg.setId(state.getNewMessageName())
    File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 181, in setId
      msginfoDB._getState(self)
    File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 121, in _getSt
  ate
      (msg.c, msg.t) = self.db[msg.getId()]
    File "C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py", line 70, in __getitem__
      f = StringIO(self.dict[key])
  TypeError: unsubscriptable object

The messages contain this header :

  X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.TypeError(unsubscriptable object) in
          __getitem__() at C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py line 70: f
          = StringIO(self.dict[key])
        
-Tomi


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug  8 13:27:32 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug  7 22:27:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] BUg !
In-Reply-To: <16178.45162.809407.7500@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <002301c35d54$9f9c4300$f502a8c0@eden>

>     Christian> Hi !
>     Christian> This is the error file :
>     ...
>     Christian> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode
> byte 0xe8 in
>     Christian> position 6: ordinal not in range(128)
>
>     Christian> Please tell me what's the bug and how to fix it.
>
> What version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  I believe
> this was fixed
> in 004 or 005.  If you're not running the most recent version
> I suggest you
> upgrade to it and see if that solves the problem.

Unfortunately, this particular unicode error (in ntpath.py) does still exist
in 006.  There is a source-forge bug there, and now a user getting it from
source-code, which will make things much simpler to diagnose :)

Mark.


From david at grider.net  Fri Aug  8 09:15:37 2003
From: david at grider.net (David A. Grider)
Date: Fri Aug  8 08:15:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes
Message-ID: <006201c35da6$c6862420$5f54010a@lt1759>

Quick question for you. I have multiple rules that forward mail to
different folders in my Inbox. While the mail may get classified as 100%
spam, it does not get moved to the spam folder. Why? Any ideas?
 
 
 
Cheers,
-DaG
david@grider.net
 
 
 
From hts at hts.com.au  Sat Aug  9 00:14:33 2003
From: hts at hts.com.au (Steve Farmer)
Date: Fri Aug  8 09:14:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ConfigOptions.py
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2844@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2844@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <p0433011abb595279811f@[192.168.1.10]>

Hi,

I have seen a reference to this in the docs but cannot find it in the 
install files.  I am wondering if it still exists

Regards
Steve
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From mikes at members-insurance.com  Fri Aug  8 11:20:34 2003
From: mikes at members-insurance.com (Michael K. Schummers)
Date: Fri Aug  8 10:20:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes binary v6 quirks
In-Reply-To: <016501c35d37$74147cb0$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <001201c35db8$3beb2e20$d60000c8@PRK94>

Mark, I hadn't correlated the "dead toolbar buttons" with suspension of
filtering. Don't know??? The surprising aspect was that manually
"connecting" the plug-in seemed to cure it when the binary install kept
failing. I had not seen this in any prior versions of the binary install.
But it is working fine now (good news).

I did look at the log file. There is a timer message - "Processing missed
spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer" but no other messages to
indicate actions taken by the presence of the timer. I was wondering if
there were any format restrictions with the options but there were no error
messages to indicate that it didn't like the parameters (I would have
expected something if it didn't like the format of the parameters or section
heading. Will continue to experiment with values and combinations.

Michael K. Schummers
General Manager
Members Insurance Services, Inc.
(859) 455-7317
mikes@members-insurance.com <mailto:mikes@members-insurance.com>




-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:59 PM
To: mikes@members-insurance.com; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes binary v6 quirks


> Still no help. I
> then looked in the Com Add-in's to ensure that it was enabled. It was
> checked as enabled. At the Com Add-in box, I removed the
> SpamBayes DLL and
> then reattached it through the Com Add-in's tools, exited
> Outlook, restarted
> Outlook and it has been working fine since. I am still not sure what
> approach I should take when v7 of the binary installer occurs.

It is possible that you struck the "dead toolbar buttons" but.  We still
aren't sure what causes this.

> On the other machine, with Outlook 2000, the installation
> proceeded without
> apparent problem (either visually in the process or in the
> log) and has
> worked well except (there is always an "except") some messages are not
> being?spam scored. I don't see any pattern to which messages
> are missed. I
> have experimented with the delay timings (timer_start_delay)?
> in v6 between
> 2000 and 4000 and timer_interval between 1000 and 2000 with
> no apparent
> effect. If I go into the SpamBayes Manager and force a
> "Filter Now" on the
> messages in the Inbox, they score without apparent problem
> (so I don't think
> it is related to message content). Has anyone had any
> experience with the
> timing parameters as to whether this might be a solution?? Am
> I missing the
> intent of these parameters?

If you check the log file for that machine, does it indicate that a timer
was started to process missed messages?  Many people have reported that the
timer stops SpamBayes missing messages like this.

Mark.


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From gfoltz at gsf.com  Fri Aug  8 14:23:06 2003
From: gfoltz at gsf.com (Greg Foltz)
Date: Fri Aug  8 13:22:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes not work on my system...
Message-ID: <NNEGJIFFKILDFADCCLEGAEHJCDAA.gfoltz@gsf.com>


Running Windows 2000, Outlook 2000, installed from binary 0.6 SpamBayes.  No
errors reported, configured according to readme and other docs.

Will not train, comes up no messages to train from.  When moving a message
manually to spam folder using spam delete button, program complains of
message not selected with a small pop dialog.

Any ideas?


Greg Foltz

very interested in spam management!!


From Lee.Herman at mpi.com  Fri Aug  8 15:08:57 2003
From: Lee.Herman at mpi.com (Herman, Lee)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:11:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't enable SpamBayes in the Outlook COM add-in manager
Message-ID: <6B41116FC430DD4B97255F214C5EEDEE3CF64E@US-VS1.corp.mpi.com>

(Note: I've sent this note directly to Mark Hammond, but I wanted to see
if the community at large has seen this problem)
 
I've been having problems with SpamBayes that I hope you can help me
with.
 
It's been working superbly until today. Last night, our Exchange server
was shut down. I think as a result of this, every time I would open
Outlook it would crash. A dialog came up (I think it was an Outlook
dialog) asking if I wanted to disable SpamBayes. I said yes, figuring I
would just re-enable once Outlook was back up. After that, Outlook did
in fact came back up, but ever since I have been unable to re-enable
SpamBayes.
 
The symptom is that you go into the add-in manager, you click on
SpamBayes (ie. there's a check mark), and exit the addin manager. If you
go back in immediately, SpamBayes is UNCHECKED. Damn thing won't stay
checked. Nothing I have tried allows me to enable SpamBayes.
 
I tried uninstalling, and reinstalling the latest version. I tried
uninstalling, rebooting, and reinstalling. I tried uninstalling,
removing all registry entries for SpamBayes, rebooting, and
reinstalling. Nothing seems to work.
 
Have you seen this type of behavior before?
 
Lee Herman
 
 

 




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From TReale at classroom.com  Fri Aug  8 12:12:31 2003
From: TReale at classroom.com (Reale, Tom)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:14:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Have you guys considered...
Message-ID: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>

You have built a product that could autofile e-mail into all kinds of private categories for the user. If a database were created for each filter that the user wanted, not just Spam/Not Spam, this technology could be very useful among enterprise users. 

For example, I could set up filters that allows me to file into the following folders: 

Purchasing
Back Office
Development
Staff

As well as: 

Spam 
Unsure


Thanks for your consideration,

---------------------------------------------
Tom Reale
Manager of IT and Hosting
Classroom Connect
treale@classroom.com

(650) 351-5128 direct
(650) 248-3344 cell


From wsy at merl.com  Fri Aug  8 15:20:40 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:21:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Have you guys considered...
In-Reply-To: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>
	(TReale@classroom.com)
References: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>
Message-ID: <200308081820.h78IKeL08649@localhost.localdomain>


I don't know if Spambayes does that, but CRM114 can do so.

  -Bill Yerazunis

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

   From: "Reale, Tom" <TReale@classroom.com>
   Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:12:31 -0700 
   Sender: spambayes-bounces@python.org
   X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=7.0
	   tests=SUPERLONG_LINE
	   version=2.31
   X-Spam-Level: 

   You have built a product that could autofile e-mail into all kinds
   of private categories for the user. If a database were created for
   each filter that the user wanted, not just Spam/Not Spam, this
   technology could be very useful among enterprise users.

   For example, I could set up filters that allows me to file into the
   following folders:

   Purchasing
   Back Office
   Development
   Staff

   As well as: 

   Spam 
   Unsure


   Thanks for your consideration,

   ---------------------------------------------
   Tom Reale
   Manager of IT and Hosting
   Classroom Connect
   treale@classroom.com

   (650) 351-5128 direct
   (650) 248-3344 cell



From mail at fionn.de  Fri Aug  8 19:28:14 2003
From: mail at fionn.de (Fionn Behrens)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:28:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3124@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3124@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1060367287.1897.2510.camel@rtfm>

On Fre, 2003-08-08 at 00:03, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > My question is this: Do you 
> > plan to develop a version to support Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server?
> 
> Like the other responses, I do think that each individual should have a
> separate database, although this doesn't mean that the program couldn't
> run on the server.  Having a ~3Mb database for each user might be too
> expensive, but I suspect that you could reduce this by doing the storage
> in a database (mySQL, postgreSQL and ZODB are all able to be used by
> spambayes), but rather than the current system where each user has a
> separate table with their token counts, have the individual tables have
> references to a shared table of tokens, although I'm not certain that
> this would save space.

We already have this running (based on MySQL). Saving words and counts
into different tables does indeed seem to save some space - at the cost
of slightly more CPU intensive lookups. If you do the usual one folder
per user it is about 10%. As our system can do more than one folder (for
additional sorting after the spam classification) per user, though, the
space efficiency increases rapidly with that.

Regards,
	Fionn
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From ssnyder at ligand.com  Fri Aug  8 12:48:44 2003
From: ssnyder at ligand.com (Snyder, Susan)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:49:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem configuring
Message-ID: <BC76C5BF4A6DDC4BBAF3219FC7797C1501005296@bern.ligand.com>

Hi,

I just installed SpamBayes and am unable to finish the configuration. I
am unable to indicate the folders for training. The Browse buttons work
but nothing is displayed in the folder list. I am running outlook 2002.
Thanks.

I tried registering at sourceforge.net, but their registration system
seems to be broken (for several days).

Susie Snyder
Oracle Database Administrator
Ligand Pharmaceuticals
858-550-7797
ssnyder@ligand.com



From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Fri Aug  8 15:52:26 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:52:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Have you guys considered...
In-Reply-To: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>
References: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>
Message-ID: <20030808185226.GA17356@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:12:31AM -0700, Reale, Tom wrote:
| You have built a product that could autofile e-mail into all kinds
| of private categories for the user.

This is a separate issue entirely.  Spambayes is designed to identify
spam, but it doesn't do anything with it.  Sorting mail into separate
folders is best done with the proper LDA, such as procmail, maildrop,
sieve, or (depending on your mail reader) filter rules in the mail
reader itself.  I'd rather see spambayes' kept as simple as possible
by focusing on a single problem/task.

-D

-- 
Windows, hmmm, does it come with a GUI interface that works or just
pretty blue screens?
 
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug  8 16:26:58 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug  8 16:27:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Have you guys considered...
In-Reply-To: <20030808185226.GA17356@dman13.dyndns.org>
References: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>
	<20030808185226.GA17356@dman13.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <16180.1938.576433.516472@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Derrick> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:12:31AM -0700, Reale, Tom wrote: |
    Derrick> You have built a product that could autofile e-mail into all
    Derrick> kinds | of private categories for the user.

    Derrick> This is a separate issue entirely.  Spambayes is designed to
    Derrick> identify spam, but it doesn't do anything with it.  Sorting
    Derrick> mail into separate folders is best done with the proper LDA,
    Derrick> such as procmail, maildrop, sieve, or (depending on your mail
    Derrick> reader) filter rules in the mail reader itself.  I'd rather see
    Derrick> spambayes' kept as simple as possible by focusing on a single
    Derrick> problem/task.

It's really the same problem, just an n-way classification instead of a
2-way classification.  I use procmail to sort my mail into folders.  My
procmailrc file looks like this:

    score the message with hammiefilter
    if it scores as spam, file as spam
    if it scores as unsure, file as unsure
    ### normal procmail filters from this point
    if message sent to "foo" list, file in "foo" mailbox
    if message sent to "bar" list, file in "bar" mailbox
    ...
    file in mbox

While not nearly as annoying as spam, it's still a mild bother that if
someone bcc's a message to the foo list, procmail will file it in my mbox
instead of my foo mailbox.

Tools like ifile and CRM114 can classify mail into N bins instead of just
two.  I think SpamBayes could be used as-is to solve this problem.  Suppose
I have four categories of mail: spam, python, perl, and ruby.  I could train
like this:

    train spam as "spam", and python+perl+ruby as "ham" - write to db spam.db
    train perl+ruby as "spam", and python as "ham" - write to db python.db
    train python+ruby as "spam", and perl as "ham" - write to db perl.db
    train python+perl as "spam", and ruby as "ham" - write to db ruby.db

In procmail, you'd run hammie multiple times, then file based upon the
result:

    score the message with hammiefilter -d spam.db
    if it scores as spam, file as spam
    score the message with hammiefilter -d python.db
    if it scores as ham, file as python
    score the message with hammiefilter -d perl.db
    if it scores as ham, file as perl
    score the message with hammiefilter -d ruby.db
    if it scores as ham, file as ruby
    ...
    file in mbox (or unsure)

Of course classification gets more compute-intensive(*) and is more difficult
to train.  I suspect it would be fairly good at classifying your mail
though.

Skip

(*) If such a scheme allowed you to dispense with procmail entirely, it
might not cost much, however.  A single Python process scoring against
multiple SpamBayes databases would probably be more efficient than procmail
forking off a bunch of hammiefilter processes.  Of course, to replace
procmail you'd have to be as careful not to lose mail as it is.

S

From io219 at comcast.net  Fri Aug  8 16:34:57 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Aug  8 16:35:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
In-Reply-To: <09143027.20030807180829@comcast.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3128@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<09143027.20030807180829@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <271324765.20030808153457@comcast.net>


--> Thursday, August 7, 2003, 6:08:29 PM, you wrote:

>>> > You could just use pickles, of course.  They're still an
>>> > improvement over dumbdbm (in this case).
>>> Where do I make SpamBayes use pickles?

>> The best way is to change your configuration file.  Add the following
>> line in the [Storage] section (create the section if it's not already
>> there).

>>     persistent_use_database: False

> I've updated to the latest CVS with the new DB changes from yesterday.
> I am without dumbdbm now, but with the following in my bayescustomize.ini :

>   [Storage]
>   persistent_use_database=False
>   persistent_use_database:False

> I get the following stack trace...

I just changed the default in Options.py and it seems I fixed the problem.
I've downgraded to 1.0a4 as well. My messages used to have this header :

  X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.TypeError(unsubscriptable object) in
          __getitem__() at C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py line 70: f
          = StringIO(self.dict[key])

-Tomi


From Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM  Fri Aug  8 17:50:04 2003
From: Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM (Tolkin, Steve)
Date: Fri Aug  8 16:50:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] delete_as_spam_message_state:Read  did not work for me
Message-ID: <176FDD8DC56B4946946917ECEBA4DA55163128@MSGBOSCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM>

I added the following as the first two lines into the existing
"Default Outlook profile.ini" file  (There was no previously existing
General section, as expected.)

[General]
delete_as_spam_message_state:Read


I was in my spam_unsure folder and the cursor on an unread message 
and clicked on the "Delete as Spam" button.  It was moved to the spam sure
folder,
but its stayed highlighted, i.e. not marked as Read.

I exited outlook and restarted with the same behavior.
I am running the SpamBayes Outlook addin  beta 0.6 July 29,2003
I am running Outlook 2002 SP-2

Hopefully helpfully yours,
Steve
-- 
Steven Tolkin    steve . tolkin at fmr dot com   617-563-0516 
Fidelity Investments   82 Devonshire St. V4D     Boston MA 02109
There is nothing so practical as a good theory.  Comments are by me, 
not Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries or affiliates.


From Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM  Fri Aug  8 18:04:46 2003
From: Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM (Tolkin, Steve)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:05:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] can't add user defined field "Spam" in spam_maybe
	folder in Outlo ok addin
Message-ID: <176FDD8DC56B4946946917ECEBA4DA55143011@MSGBOSCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM>

I can't add the user defined field "Spam" in my spam_maybe folder.
I go to the field chooser and select user defined field in folder
but there are no fields there.

I could add this Spam field to the spam_sure folder and
also to the spam folder (which is where I have Outlook server ruiles put
some
spam), and in my Inbox.  
I had train SpamBayes on those three folder, but not spam_maybe.
Do I need to train it on spam_maybe?

Or is this a bug?
I did not see it in the list at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103> 

> I am running the SpamBayes Outlook addin  beta 0.6 July 29,2003
> I am running Outlook 2002 SP-2
> 
> Hopefully helpfully yours,
> Steve
> -- 
> Steven Tolkin    steve . tolkin at fmr dot com   617-563-0516 
> Fidelity Investments   82 Devonshire St. V4D     Boston MA 02109
> There is nothing so practical as a good theory.  Comments are by me, 
> not Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries or affiliates.
> 
> 
From clewis at iquest.net  Fri Aug  8 17:12:56 2003
From: clewis at iquest.net (Chuck Lewis)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:06:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't enable SpamBayes in the Outlook COM add-in manager
Message-ID: <000601c35df1$d9dd0cf0$600a10ac@GR43>

On Fri Aug 8 15:08:57 EDT 2003 Lee wrote:
 
>(Note: I've sent this note directly to Mark Hammond, but I wanted to see
>if the community at large has seen this problem)
> 
>I've been having problems with SpamBayes that I hope you can help me
>with.
> 
>It's been working superbly until today. Last night, our Exchange server
>was shut down. I think as a result of this, every time I would open
>Outlook it would crash. A dialog came up (I think it was an Outlook
>dialog) asking if I wanted to disable SpamBayes. I said yes, figuring I
>would just re-enable once Outlook was back up. After that, Outlook did
>in fact came back up, but ever since I have been unable to re-enable
>SpamBayes.
> 
>The symptom is that you go into the add-in manager, you click on
>SpamBayes (ie. there's a check mark), and exit the addin manager. If you
>go back in immediately, SpamBayes is UNCHECKED. Damn thing won't stay
>checked. Nothing I have tried allows me to enable SpamBayes.
> 
>I tried uninstalling, and reinstalling the latest version. I tried
>uninstalling, rebooting, and reinstalling. I tried uninstalling,
>removing all registry entries for SpamBayes, rebooting, and
>reinstalling. Nothing seems to work.
> 
>Have you seen this type of behavior before?
> 
>Lee Herman
 

Lee,

 

I was having pretty much the same problem as you. I installed it a couple of
days ago and did not get around to "training" it until yesterday and it was
GREAT. So I had trouble shutting Outlook down last night before I left work
and had to kill in Task Manager ("not responding - thanks MS.). So this
morning it took me almost an hour to get it going again (starting it up in
Safe mode, that hanging, killing it, etc. Then it "reinstalled" and didn't
work and "reinstalled" again and finally worked. And SpamBayes was up there
but would not do anything. So I hit the archives (and have since joined the
list) and saw you message and I was having the SAME problem. Check it and it
would not save, etc..

 

So, HERE is what you need to do (and I found this in the Trouble Shooting
Doc in the Spambayes\docs subdirectory:

============================================================================
==

Addin doesn't load

When you start Outlook, there is no SpamBayes item in the toolbar, and no
filtering occurs.  To resolve this:

Check the log file.  If a log file for this session exists, then see if it
contains an error.  If not, then the addin may be operating, but simply not
displaying the toolbar items.  Follow this procedure to restore the toolbar.
If there is an error in the log file, please report a bug.  If no log file
for this session exists, continue the following steps.

 

Determine your installation type.  

 

If you are running a binary version (ie, you downloaded a single
installation program), then perform the following steps:

 

Start Outlook, and select Tools->Options to display the main Options dialog.

Select the tab labeled Other, then click on the Advanced button.

Click on the COM Add-Ins button.

If the SpamBayes addin is not listed, then SpamBayes should be reinstalled
(Note that running regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll from the SpamBayes
directory may also solve this problem)

If the SpamBayes addin is listed but not checked, then simply check it and
close the dialog.

 

If you are running Outlook 2002, you may find that if you go back to the
dialog, the addin will still be unselected.  In this case, perform the
following:

 

Go to Help->About Microsoft Outlook.  

 

Click the Disabled Items button. 

 

Select SpamBayes. 

Click Enable.

Restart Outlook 2002.

 

 

If you are running from source code, please re-register the addin, as per
the README.txt file.

 

If none of that works, I am stumped!

============================================================================
==

 

The key in that last section - go to Help/About Microsoft Outlook/Disabled
Items Button and Walla it works again ! I DID have to exit and restart
Outlook !!

 

HTH,

 

Chuck

From Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM  Fri Aug  8 18:11:57 2003
From: Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM (Tolkin, Steve)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:12:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug: mouse no longer works in Oputlook's
	Customize dial og box
Message-ID: <176FDD8DC56B4946946917ECEBA4DA55163129@MSGBOSCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM>

After I added outlook addin for SpamBayes I noticed that if I right
click on the outlook toolbar area, and choose Customize... 
it brings up the Customize dialog box BUT nothing I do with
the mouse works.  I cannot select another panel, not even press
Close button.   I needed to press the  Esc key to get out.
The keyboard works normally.

Since the dialog box is now labeled just C (instead of the expected
Customize) I guess this might be related to the following
bug:
743122 Outlook 2002 auto-complete breaks
</tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=61702&atid=498103> 
the last entry for that
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=617
02&atid=498103
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=61
702&atid=498103> 
is:

Date: 2003-06-16 18:53
Sender: seantrue
Logged In: YES 
user_id=114311

Fixing this bug will require a complete rewrite to remove all 
MFC based dialogs from SpamBayes.
We're about 80% of the way there on SpamAtBay, and it's 
_not_ fun.


If this is another symptom of that bug it makes that bug even more serious.


I am running the SpamBayes Outlook addin  beta 0.6 July 29,2003
I am running Outlook 2002 SP-2

Hopefully helpfully yours,
Steve
-- 
Steven Tolkin    steve . tolkin at fmr dot com   617-563-0516 
Fidelity Investments   82 Devonshire St. V4D     Boston MA 02109
There is nothing so practical as a good theory.  Comments are by me, 
not Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries or affiliates.



From seant at iname.com  Fri Aug  8 18:17:17 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:17:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug: mouse no longer works in
	Oputlook'sCustomize dial og box
In-Reply-To: <176FDD8DC56B4946946917ECEBA4DA55163129@MSGBOSCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM>
Message-ID: <000601c35df2$72ee8950$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tolkin, Steve
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:12 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug: mouse no longer works in 
> Oputlook'sCustomize dial og box
> 
> 
> After I added outlook addin for SpamBayes I noticed that if I right
> click on the outlook toolbar area, and choose Customize... 
> it brings up the Customize dialog box BUT nothing I do with
> the mouse works.  I cannot select another panel, not even press
> Close button.   I needed to press the  Esc key to get out.
> The keyboard works normally.
> 
> Since the dialog box is now labeled just C (instead of the expected
> Customize) I guess this might be related to the following
> bug:
> 743122 Outlook 2002 auto-complete breaks
> </tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=61702&atid
> =498103> 
> the last entry for that
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=74312
2&group_id=617
02&atid=498103
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=61
702&atid=498103> 
is:

Date: 2003-06-16 18:53
Sender: seantrue
Logged In: YES 
user_id=114311

Fixing this bug will require a complete rewrite to remove all 
MFC based dialogs from SpamBayes.
We're about 80% of the way there on SpamAtBay, and it's 
_not_ fun.


If this is another symptom of that bug it makes that bug even more serious.


I am running the SpamBayes Outlook addin  beta 0.6 July 29,2003
I am running Outlook 2002 SP-2

Hopefully helpfully yours,
Steve
-- 
Steven Tolkin    steve . tolkin at fmr dot com   617-563-0516 
Fidelity Investments   82 Devonshire St. V4D     Boston MA 02109
There is nothing so practical as a good theory.  Comments are by me, 
not Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries or affiliates.


============
I believe that Marks new plugin is all the way there on this, or very close.
SpamAtBay still has some work to do in that area.

-- Sean



From Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM  Fri Aug  8 18:17:18 2003
From: Steve.Tolkin at FMR.COM (Tolkin, Steve)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:18:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug: Spam score shows as of 0% but is actually
	near 10 0%
Message-ID: <176FDD8DC56B4946946917ECEBA4DA55143013@MSGBOSCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM>

I added the user defined Spam field to my spam_sure folder.
then I sorted by it.
One message showed a Spam of 0%.
But when I asked it to show spam cues for that message
it had a very high Spam score.
Why did this message show Spam field as as 0%.
Could it be a display glitch trying to show 100% ?
Almost all the other messages in spam_sure did show a Spam field of 100%

> I am running the SpamBayes Outlook addin  beta 0.6 July 29,2003
> I am running Outlook 2002 SP-2
> 
> Hopefully helpfully yours,
> Steve
> -- 
> Steven Tolkin    steve . tolkin at fmr dot com   617-563-0516 
> Fidelity Investments   82 Devonshire St. V4D     Boston MA 02109
> There is nothing so practical as a good theory.  Comments are by me, 
> not Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries or affiliates.
> 
> 
From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Fri Aug  8 18:20:33 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:21:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug: Spam score shows as of 0% but is
	actuallynear 10 0%
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FA05@SPIKE.city>

I've seen it frequently. I assumed it was some sort of roundoff error.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tolkin, Steve [mailto:Steve.Tolkin@FMR.COM]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:17 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Possible bug: Spam score shows as of 0% but is
> actuallynear 10 0%
> 
> 
> I added the user defined Spam field to my spam_sure folder.
> then I sorted by it.
> One message showed a Spam of 0%.
> But when I asked it to show spam cues for that message
> it had a very high Spam score.
> Why did this message show Spam field as as 0%.
> Could it be a display glitch trying to show 100% ?
> Almost all the other messages in spam_sure did show a Spam 
> field of 100%
> 
> > I am running the SpamBayes Outlook addin  beta 0.6 July 29,2003
> > I am running Outlook 2002 SP-2
> > 
> > Hopefully helpfully yours,
> > Steve
> > -- 
> > Steven Tolkin    steve . tolkin at fmr dot com   617-563-0516 
> > Fidelity Investments   82 Devonshire St. V4D     Boston MA 02109
> > There is nothing so practical as a good theory.  Comments 
> are by me, 
> > not Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries or affiliates.
> > 
> > 
> 

From christyg at usaor.net  Fri Aug  8 18:35:01 2003
From: christyg at usaor.net (Glenn Christy)
Date: Fri Aug  8 17:32:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Loosing spam database?
Message-ID: <AJEEIIIFKMNEIHKHHCNGEEKNCIAA.christyg@usaor.net>

Using:

Windows 2000 Professional SP3

Outlook 2000 (internet only) SP3

Spambayes (executable version  005)

First: Spambayes does a great job of  managing spam ? I wouldn?t have another
computer without it.

Problem: Spambayes works really well until I empty my SPAM folder. At that
point, it?s like Spambayes looses all of the indicators it needs to detect spam.
It works well again as I accumulate more spam and as a long as I leave the spam
in the spam folder. I?ve gone through this cycle at least 3 times as the folder
fills up and the same behavior occurs each time.

I?ve retrained the database and checked the database files and they have been
updated. I am  getting some COM invoke errors in the log:

warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Checked 99 in folder Inbox - 99 new entries found.
Checked 103 in folder SPAM - 103 new entries found.
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 605, in OnFolderSwitch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 201, in
__setattr__
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 178, in
_event_setattr_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 459, in
__setattr__
pywintypes.com_error: (-2146827864, 'OLE error 0x800a01a8', None, None)
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 605, in OnFolderSwitch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 201, in
__setattr__
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 178, in
_event_setattr_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 459, in
__setattr__
pywintypes.com_error: (-2146827864, 'OLE error 0x800a01a8', None, None)

Regards,

Glenn T. Christy
1-412-527-1748 (mobile)
1-208-693-9439 (fax)
christyg@usaor.net

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  9 13:06:09 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  8 20:07:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes future platforms
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF33C9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> We already have this running (based on MySQL).
[...]

So what would you be looking for in an Exchange version?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  9 13:12:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  8 20:13:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ConfigOptions.py
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF33CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have seen a reference to this in the docs but cannot find it in the 
> install files.  I am wondering if it still exists

Where in the docs?  I can't find it anywhere.  There was once a file
called "OptionConfig.py", but it is no longer used.  (You can find it in
the cvs attic if you really want it).  The functionality was absorbed
into other modules, these days they'd be in Options.py, OptionClass.py
and the *UI.py files.

What do you want to do with the file?  If you're after a list of the
available options, then FAQ 4.12 answers that:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-lo
oks-like-but-what-options-do-i-need-to-set>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  9 13:20:05 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  8 20:20:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FYI -- dumbdbm is nuked
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF33CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > I am without dumbdbm now, but with the following in my 
> > bayescustomize.ini :
> >   [Storage]
> >   persistent_use_database=False
> >   persistent_use_database:False

Note that these two lines are doing the same thing...

> I just changed the default in Options.py

That shouldn't do anything that changing the config file doesn't do,
unless your config file isn't being read.  If you put an invalid option
("foo: bar", for example) in your config file, do you get a warning
printed when you run pop3proxy?  If not, then spambayes isn't finding
it.

>   X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.TypeError(unsubscriptable 
> object) in
>           __getitem__() at C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py line 70: f
>           = StringIO(self.dict[key])

You're not trying to use your dumbdbm file as a pickle are you?  (i.e.
when you swapped to pickles, you did retrain from scratch?)

> I get the following stack trace...
[...]
>   spambayes.dbmstorage.error: No dbm modules available!
[...]
> I thought at first the raise was left in on accident, so I 
> commented it..

If you're getting this message, then you're trying to use a dbm still,
not a pickle.  That error could be handled somewhat more gracefully,
though.

=Tony Meyer

From hts at hts.com.au  Sat Aug  9 11:36:46 2003
From: hts at hts.com.au (Steve Farmer)
Date: Fri Aug  8 20:36:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ConfigOptions.py
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF33CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF33CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <p04330116bb59f1ed55f4@[192.168.1.10]>

Hi Tony,

It was mentioned in the list archives (sorry not the docs) as a way 
to configure the .ini file.. I was just curious about it is all.

I will read the docs and see how I go.

FYI i am trying to configure this on a RH 7.3 server running qpopper 
(i am the only user on this server)

Regards
Steve
>  > I have seen a reference to this in the docs but cannot find it in the
>>  install files.  I am wondering if it still exists
>
>Where in the docs?  I can't find it anywhere.  There was once a file
>called "OptionConfig.py", but it is no longer used.  (You can find it in
>the cvs attic if you really want it).  The functionality was absorbed
>into other modules, these days they'd be in Options.py, OptionClass.py
>and the *UI.py files.
>
>What do you want to do with the file?  If you're after a list of the
>available options, then FAQ 4.12 answers that:
><http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-lo
>oks-like-but-what-options-do-i-need-to-set>
>
>=Tony Meyer
>
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug  9 12:09:11 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug  8 21:09:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Loosing spam database?
In-Reply-To: <AJEEIIIFKMNEIHKHHCNGEEKNCIAA.christyg@usaor.net>
Message-ID: <019501c35e12$d84c57d0$f502a8c0@eden>

It looks like you have a very old version of the program.  Go to
starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes and grab the latest available
version, and try that.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Glenn Christy
> Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:35 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Loosing spam database?
>
>
> Using:
>
> Windows 2000 Professional SP3
>
> Outlook 2000 (internet only) SP3
>
> Spambayes (executable version  005)
>
> First: Spambayes does a great job of  managing spam ? I
> wouldn?t have another
> computer without it.
>
> Problem: Spambayes works really well until I empty my SPAM
> folder. At that
> point, it?s like Spambayes looses all of the indicators it
> needs to detect spam.
> It works well again as I accumulate more spam and as a long
> as I leave the spam
> in the spam folder. I?ve gone through this cycle at least 3
> times as the folder
> fills up and the same behavior occurs each time.
>
> I?ve retrained the database and checked the database files
> and they have been
> updated. I am  getting some COM invoke errors in the log:
>
> warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
> Checked 99 in folder Inbox - 99 new entries found.
> Checked 103 in folder SPAM - 103 new entries found.
> pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 275, in _Invoke_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 280, in _invoke_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 601, in _invokeex_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 541, in _invokeex_
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 605, in
> OnFolderSwitch
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 201, in
> __setattr__
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 178, in
> _event_setattr_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 459, in
> __setattr__
> pywintypes.com_error: (-2146827864, 'OLE error 0x800a01a8',
> None, None)
> pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 275, in _Invoke_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 280, in _invoke_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 601, in _invokeex_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
> 541, in _invokeex_
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 605, in
> OnFolderSwitch
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 201, in
> __setattr__
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 178, in
> _event_setattr_
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 459, in
> __setattr__
> pywintypes.com_error: (-2146827864, 'OLE error 0x800a01a8',
> None, None)
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn T. Christy
> 1-412-527-1748 (mobile)
> 1-208-693-9439 (fax)
> christyg@usaor.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug  9 14:22:17 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug  8 21:23:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ConfigOptions.py
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF33CD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> It was mentioned in the list archives (sorry not the docs) as a way 
> to configure the .ini file.. I was just curious about it is all.

The FAQ around 4.12 have all this information.  The stuff in
OptionConfig is *way* out of date.  Alternatively you can just look
through Options.py, but the former should be more clear.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug  9 12:25:20 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug  8 21:25:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem configuring
In-Reply-To: <BC76C5BF4A6DDC4BBAF3219FC7797C1501005296@bern.ligand.com>
Message-ID: <01a101c35e15$19cd3970$f502a8c0@eden>

Could you please attach a log?  See the "troubleshooting guide" for more
details.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Snyder, Susan
> Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 4:49 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Problem configuring
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed SpamBayes and am unable to finish the 
> configuration. I
> am unable to indicate the folders for training. The Browse 
> buttons work
> but nothing is displayed in the folder list. I am running 
> outlook 2002.
> Thanks.
> 
> I tried registering at sourceforge.net, but their registration system
> seems to be broken (for several days).
> 
> Susie Snyder
> Oracle Database Administrator
> Ligand Pharmaceuticals
> 858-550-7797
> ssnyder@ligand.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
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From steveq1 at cox.net  Fri Aug  8 21:27:27 2003
From: steveq1 at cox.net (SteveQ)
Date: Fri Aug  8 23:28:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on Exchange
Message-ID: <001e01c35e26$28effad0$6525a8c0@TOSHIBAIS>

We're a 200-user Exchange (5.5 running on NT4.0 SP6a.)  Clients are a mix of
98, XP, XPPro boxes most running Outlook 2000 with a couple on Outlook 2002.
We've tested it on XP boxes and it has run fine and performed very well.
We're going to roll it to more of our users next week and if that goes well,
we'll roll it company-wide.

You want updates?

Email me either by return or at work steveq@barneyandbarney.com

Steve Quiett
Alpha geek
Barney & Barney




From steveq1 at cox.net  Fri Aug  8 21:29:39 2003
From: steveq1 at cox.net (SteveQ)
Date: Fri Aug  8 23:30:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] One more thing
Message-ID: <001f01c35e26$77f32ee0$6525a8c0@TOSHIBAIS>

Jim Nitchals used to work for me in the mid-80's so I feel sort of a kinship
to y'all.  You probably know who Jim is (should say "was" as he's no longer
with us), do a google and you'll find him.  Started battling spam a long
time ago.

Steve Quiett


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug  9 16:20:18 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sat Aug  9 01:20:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ANNOUNCE: Version 007 of the Outlook plugin available,
	and donations scheme up and running
Message-ID: <000201c35e35$edfb68a0$f502a8c0@eden>

I have just released a new version of the Outlook plugin.

This version fixes a fairly serious bug we introduced in version 006, which
caused SpamBayes to miss many of the clues when scoring messages
(specifically, many of the headers were lost).  This bug is not particularly
noticeable, but causes SpamBayes to calculate the incorrect score for new
incoming mail, but show the correct score in "Show Spam Clues".  All version
006 users will experience it, so it is recommended all users upgrade.

A number of more subtle bugs were also fixed, particularly for IMAP/Hotmail
users, and a few cosmetic things fixed.

The download page is http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes -
you will also find a list of the specific bugs fixed and enhancements made.

The SpamBayes developers are also happy to announce a new donations scheme.
If you wish to demonstrate your appreciation for this tool (even though
there is absolutely no obligation to do so), we can help you donate money to
the Python Software Foundation (PSF).  The PSF is a public charity under US
tax law, so your donation may well be tax deductible.  For all the details,
including why we chose the PSF and a link to PayPal, please see
http://www.spambayes.org/donations.html

Thanks,

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug  9 16:22:14 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sat Aug  9 01:22:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on Exchange
In-Reply-To: <001e01c35e26$28effad0$6525a8c0@TOSHIBAIS>
Message-ID: <000401c35e36$31b2eb40$f502a8c0@eden>

> We're a 200-user Exchange (5.5 running on NT4.0 SP6a.)
> Clients are a mix of
> 98, XP, XPPro boxes most running Outlook 2000 with a couple
> on Outlook 2002.
> We've tested it on XP boxes and it has run fine and performed
> very well.
> We're going to roll it to more of our users next week and if
> that goes well,
> we'll roll it company-wide.
>
> You want updates?

Mailing success reports or general observations here would be great.
However, if you experience problems, please go through the procedure for
reporting bugs - that way it is more likely to get the attention it
deserves.

Good luck (and don't roll out 006 <wink>)

Mark.


From jwilson at cybernetek.com  Sat Aug  9 03:05:41 2003
From: jwilson at cybernetek.com (Jamie Richard Wilson)
Date: Sat Aug  9 02:06:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request
Message-ID: <000001c35e3c$44326d30$0301a8c0@sigma>

Great work on SpamBayes!  This blows away the $30 McAfee SpamKiller I
purchased and dumped for SpamBayes!

Also, how do I submit a feature request for the Outlook add-in?
__________________________________________
Jamie Richard Wilson



From Alexander at Leidinger.net  Sat Aug  9 16:34:33 2003
From: Alexander at Leidinger.net (Alexander Leidinger)
Date: Sat Aug  9 09:34:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Have you guys considered...
In-Reply-To: <16180.1938.576433.516472@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <61901B1E0226D4119AAD00D0B76FE7C306226529@DRAKE>
	<20030808185226.GA17356@dman13.dyndns.org>
	<16180.1938.576433.516472@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20030809153433.12fc6bb0.Alexander@Leidinger.net>

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:26:58 -0500
Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> wrote:

> 2-way classification.  I use procmail to sort my mail into folders.  My
> procmailrc file looks like this:
> 
>     score the message with hammiefilter
>     if it scores as spam, file as spam
>     if it scores as unsure, file as unsure
>     ### normal procmail filters from this point
>     if message sent to "foo" list, file in "foo" mailbox
>     if message sent to "bar" list, file in "bar" mailbox
>     ...
>     file in mbox
> 
> While not nearly as annoying as spam, it's still a mild bother that if
> someone bcc's a message to the foo list, procmail will file it in my mbox
> instead of my foo mailbox.

If someone bcc's a message to the foo list it should still contain the
ML headers, e.g. this list has "Sender: spambayes-bounces@python.org",
so if you filter on this part of the mail, procmail should still file it
into your foo mailbox, even if someone bcc's to the list.

For lists without an usable header this is a problem, and luckily I
don't know how much broken mailinglist-software exists. But at least for
those 25 MLs I'm subscribed to I can say: there's always an usable
header. :-)

Bye,
Alexander.

-- 
Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and the Ferengi.

http://www.Leidinger.net                       Alexander @ Leidinger.net
  GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91  3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7

From brianprimack at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  9 11:06:53 2003
From: brianprimack at hotmail.com (Brian Primack)
Date: Sat Aug  9 10:07:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshoot question re: Outlook Plug-In...
Message-ID: <000001c35e7f$7c5e7ad0$6401a8c0@brianspc>

If this email address doesn't handle troubleshoots, please forward this
email to the appropriate group who can respond.  Thanks!! 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. I very much want to use your
Bayesian engine for spam filtering in Outlook, but:

 

Here's my ISSUES:

1)      The Outlook Plug-in has never been able to auto-detect and move spam
from my "Hotmail" Inbox to the Spam box. 

2)      Spam column percentages only display in my "Personal Folders" Spam
box; 

a.      Percentages do not display in Spam column for other boxes.

 

Here's my CONFIG:

1)       The only email account configured in Outlook is Hotmail's HTTP type
of account.

2)       I'm running Outlook XP on Windows XP, and SpamBayes plugin binary
ver. 0.6

3)       All Spam columns created manually using "User Defined Fields", Type
= Percentage, Format = Rounded

4)       Training options are enabled, and:

a.       "Score Messages after training" = checked off

b.       Folders w/known good msgs = HAM (from Personal Folders directory);
Inbox (from Hotmail directory)

                                                               i.      The
main directory folders (Personal Folders & Hotmail) are not checked off.

c.       Folders w/known Spam or Junk msgs = Spam (from Personal Folders
directory); Junk Mail (from Hotmail directory)

                                                               i.      The
main directory folders (Personal Folders & Hotmail) are not checked off.

d.       "Include Subdirectories" in not checked off.

5)       Filtering is enabled, and:

a.       Filter the following folders = Inbox & Junk Mail (from Hotmail's
directory)

b.       Certain Spam moved to folder = Spam

c.       Uncertain Spam moved to = Spam Unsure

 

I've read & re-read the online configuration instructions, and believe I've
set everything up correctly.  If you can get my Outlook plug-in working,
then I'll be a big advocate for your Bayesian engine!!

 

Best regards,

Brian Primack

 

 

From pvsurfer at cox.net  Sat Aug  9 11:07:00 2003
From: pvsurfer at cox.net (pv)
Date: Sat Aug  9 13:07:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,
	now we need a good relief pitcher!
In-Reply-To: <E19ZdBM-0003RY-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0@AWexpress>

SpamBayes Outlook plugin v0.7 does a great job catching spam, but
unfortunately it doesn't reduce the onslaught of spam!

Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?


From whisper at oz.net  Sat Aug  9 11:28:25 2003
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Sat Aug  9 13:26:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,
	now we need a good relief pitcher!
In-Reply-To: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0@AWexpress>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEJGMHAA.whisper@oz.net>

Bouncing spam identifies your email address as valid and attracts more
flies...err.. spam :)

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of pv
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:07
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,now we need a good relief
> pitcher!
>
>
> SpamBayes Outlook plugin v0.7 does a great job catching spam, but
> unfortunately it doesn't reduce the onslaught of spam!
>
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From skip at pobox.com  Sat Aug  9 13:41:28 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat Aug  9 13:41:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <000001c35e3c$44326d30$0301a8c0@sigma>
References: <000001c35e3c$44326d30$0301a8c0@sigma>
Message-ID: <16181.12872.657197.769003@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Jamie> Great work on SpamBayes!

Good to hear.

    Jamie> Also, how do I submit a feature request for the Outlook add-in?

If you visit the SpamBayes project page

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/spambayes

and click the "RFE" link just below the project title header, you should be
able to submit your feature request.

Skip

From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 16:01:23 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Aug  9 15:01:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,
	now we need a good relief pitcher!
In-Reply-To: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0@AWexpress>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDKFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[pv]
> ...
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?

Yes:  no such gimmick could be helpful.  Most spam forges a bogus sender
address, so besides increasing spam-related junk traffic, most bounces will
end up bouncing right back to you (due to a bad address), or end up in an
innocent victim's mailbox.  Solves nothing, creates more problems.

not-that-in-god's-eyes-any-of-us-are-innocent<wink>-ly y'rs  - tim


From help at maitlandcp.com  Sat Aug  9 17:04:11 2003
From: help at maitlandcp.com (David Jackson)
Date: Sat Aug  9 16:05:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <E19lW8W-00046J-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJEEIACDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>

I subscribe to a number of technical email lists and use the Rules Wizard"
in Outlook to put the emails automatically into separate folders. I am also
using "Junk Senders" rules.

How can I get the Rules Wizard and SpamBayes to play nice? Should I have
Spam Bayes monitor a non-Inbox folder and have everything that does not fit
previous rules, move it to that folder?

I guess my questions are
1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?

This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.

Thanks

David Jackson


From richie at entrian.com  Sat Aug  9 22:24:51 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sat Aug  9 16:24:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,
	now we need a good relief pitcher!
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDKFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0@AWexpress>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDKFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cdlajv43lfl09gequeh4n80lpru9hp7kdl@4ax.com>


[pv]
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?

[Tim]
> bounces will end up [...] in an innocent victim's mailbox.

Tell me about it - I'm getting about fifteen hundred of these per day at
the moment, and have been for several months.  (It's not because of my
involvement with Spambayes, 'cos they're going to an old address.)

I'm not using Spambayes to filter them, partly because they're easy to
filter without it, partly because I don't want to encourage Spambayes to
treat genuine bounces as spam (pure paranoia - I have no evidence that it
would) and partly because I do look at any that aren't obviously
machine-generated, just in case they're from someone threatening legal
action or something.

The sooner the entire world adopts Spambayes and makes spam a thing of the
past, the better.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From pbharrison at compuserve.com  Sat Aug  9 15:06:14 2003
From: pbharrison at compuserve.com (Peter B. Harrison, MD)
Date: Sat Aug  9 17:06:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJEEIACDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKDHIPFEGFEBGNPMAAELNCOAA.pbharrison@compuserve.com>

BS (before SpamBayes) I used outlook's filter rules, and after, with no
action on my part, they work basically the same, except that spambayes had
taken most of the spam out.  There are a few "spams" that I want to go to
the outlook junk mail, rather than spam, and that still works find.  AS I
added a new rule for the spambayes mailing list, which also works.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of David Jackson
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:04 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?



I subscribe to a number of technical email lists and use the Rules Wizard"
in Outlook to put the emails automatically into separate folders. I am also
using "Junk Senders" rules.

How can I get the Rules Wizard and SpamBayes to play nice? Should I have
Spam Bayes monitor a non-Inbox folder and have everything that does not fit
previous rules, move it to that folder?

I guess my questions are
1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?

This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.

Thanks

David Jackson


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun Aug 10 09:36:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sat Aug  9 18:36:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJEEIACDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>
Message-ID: <018f01c35ec6$bbc4d380$f502a8c0@eden>

> I guess my questions are
> 1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
> 2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?
>
> This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.

They work the best if yoyu enable the new, experimental timer.  This
introduces a delay before spam is filtered, giving the builtin rules time to
process.

Mark.


From kurt at contractor.com  Sat Aug  9 19:36:16 2003
From: kurt at contractor.com (Kurt Reuss)
Date: Sat Aug  9 18:37:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] no folderchoices
Message-ID: <NFENJGECLIMPDLLJHIPAMEKCDPAA.kurt@contractor.com>

After clicking 'browse' within the TRAINING section I don't have any choices
available.  I have many subfolders to Inbox including the new SPAM and POSS
SPAM boxes; What might be causing the problem?
Kurt Reuss
President

Contractor.com
240 s broadway, suite 207
denver, CO 80209
kurt@contractor.com
p: 416.972.9174
f: (419) 844-0062

visit us at: www.contractor.com

"Bringing homeowners and contractors together"


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun Aug 10 09:40:29 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sat Aug  9 18:40:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshoot question re: Outlook Plug-In...
In-Reply-To: <000001c35e7f$7c5e7ad0$6401a8c0@brianspc>
Message-ID: <019001c35ec7$3d749820$f502a8c0@eden>

> Here's my ISSUES:
>
> 1)      The Outlook Plug-in has never been able to
> auto-detect and move spam
> from my "Hotmail" Inbox to the Spam box.
>
> 2)      Spam column percentages only display in my "Personal
> Folders" Spam
> box;
>
> a.      Percentages do not display in Spam column for other boxes.

Please upgrade to version 007 of the plugin.  This fixes a bug when
processing Hotmail mail.  Note that your hotmail items will still be unable
to save the Spam score, and hence it will not show in the 'Spam' column -
but it should still be able to filter these messages, and show you the spam
score via the "Show Spam Clues" feature.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun Aug 10 09:42:54 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sat Aug  9 18:42:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] no folderchoices
In-Reply-To: <NFENJGECLIMPDLLJHIPAMEKCDPAA.kurt@contractor.com>
Message-ID: <019601c35ec7$92e9e210$f502a8c0@eden>

> After clicking 'browse' within the TRAINING section I don't
> have any choices
> available.  I have many subfolders to Inbox including the new
> SPAM and POSS
> SPAM boxes; What might be causing the problem?

Could you please follow the "troubleshooting guide", and attach a log to a
bug.  The log is critical, as it tells us what went wrong.

Thanks,

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun Aug 10 10:21:36 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sat Aug  9 19:21:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ComputerWorld SpamBayes articles
Message-ID: <01f001c35ecc$fb5cad00$f502a8c0@eden>

Thanks Larry!  I hadn't seen it.  I hope you don't mind me forwarding
this...

Mark.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fresinski
Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 9:30 PM
To: Mark Hammond
Subject: RE: [Spambayes-announce] ANNOUNCE: Version 007 of the Outlook
pluginavailable, and donations scheme up and running


Mark,
If you haven't seen it yet, I've told ComputerWorld about SPAMbayes work.
It's in there Aug. 4 edition and online here...

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801
,83689,00.html

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801
,83684,00.html

-Larry


From io219 at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 20:03:48 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Aug  9 20:03:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
Message-ID: <1221222779.20030809190348@comcast.net>

Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for HAM
instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every HAM
message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have what
would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...

I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and cannot even
find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the Python source.

Where can I do this easily/simply in the code?


From wsy at merl.com  Sat Aug  9 21:24:33 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Sat Aug  9 20:24:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
In-Reply-To: <1221222779.20030809190348@comcast.net> (io219@comcast.net)
References: <1221222779.20030809190348@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200308100024.h7A0OX611624@localhost.localdomain>


   From: io219@comcast.net

   Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for HAM
   instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every HAM
   message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
   click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have what
   would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...

   I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and
   cannot even find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the
   Python source.

The fact that /ham/ matches the string /spam/ is why I don't use
the term "ham" in my stuff.

It's either 'spam' or 'good'.

     -Bill Yerazunis

From io219 at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 21:32:08 2003
From: io219 at comcast.net (io219@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Aug  9 21:32:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
In-Reply-To: <200308100024.h7A0OX611624@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1221222779.20030809190348@comcast.net>
	<200308100024.h7A0OX611624@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <91364110.20030809203208@comcast.net>



--> Saturday, August 9, 2003, 7:24:33 PM, you wrote:


>    From: io219@comcast.net

>    Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for HAM
>    instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every HAM
>    message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
>    click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have what
>    would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...

>    I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and
>    cannot even find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the
>    Python source.

> The fact that /ham/ matches the string /spam/ is why I don't use
> the term "ham" in my stuff.

huh?

The "review messages" screen lists spam, ham, unsure with "input type=radio"
html. The list of ham has the Ham radio option selected. I would just like
to make that the Discard radio option by default. I find myself clicking the
discard radio option for every Ham so I do not unbalance my training db.

I don't know what you're talking about in relation to my message...


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Sun Aug 10 00:34:07 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Sat Aug  9 23:34:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
In-Reply-To: <91364110.20030809203208@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20030810033408.74A8E86259@plunder.dreamhost.com>

If you click the word "Discard" under ham, it should switch all the radio
buttons to discard for those messages classified as ham.
--Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of io219@comcast.net
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:32 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org; Bill Yerazunis
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Discard by default
> 
> 
> 
> --> Saturday, August 9, 2003, 7:24:33 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> >    From: io219@comcast.net
> 
> >    Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard'
> for HAM
> >    instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through
> every HAM
> >    message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have
> to
> >    click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to
> have what
> >    would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...
> 
> >    I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and
> >    cannot even find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the
> >    Python source.



From help at maitlandcp.com  Sun Aug 10 01:21:50 2003
From: help at maitlandcp.com (David Jackson)
Date: Sun Aug 10 00:23:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes Digest, Vol 60, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <E19le0q-0006CK-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJKEIBCDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>

What is this  new, experimental timer?  I am not seeing this in .006
version.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of
spambayes-request@python.org
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:25 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Spambayes Digest, Vol 60, Issue 20


Send Spambayes mailing list submissions to
	spambayes@python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	spambayes-request@python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	spambayes-owner@python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Spambayes digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. We have a great catcher,	now we need a good relief pitcher! (pv)
   2. RE: We have a great catcher,	now we need a good relief
      pitcher! (David LeBlanc)
   3. Re: Feature Request (Skip Montanaro)
   4. RE: We have a great catcher,	now we need a good relief
      pitcher! (Tim Peters)
   5. does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ? (David Jackson)
   6. Re: We have a great catcher,	now we need a good relief
      pitcher! (Richie Hindle)
   7. RE: does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
      (Peter B. Harrison, MD)
   8. RE: does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ? (Mark Hammond)
   9. no folderchoices (Kurt Reuss)
  10. RE: Troubleshoot question re: Outlook Plug-In... (Mark Hammond)
  11. RE: no folderchoices (Mark Hammond)
  12. ComputerWorld SpamBayes articles (Mark Hammond)
  13. Discard by default (io219@comcast.net)
  14. Re: Discard by default (Bill Yerazunis)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:07:00 -0700
From: "pv" <pvsurfer@cox.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,	now we need a good
	relief pitcher!
To: <SpamBayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0@AWexpress>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

SpamBayes Outlook plugin v0.7 does a great job catching spam, but
unfortunately it doesn't reduce the onslaught of spam!

Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:28:25 -0700
From: "David LeBlanc" <whisper@oz.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,	now we need a good
	relief pitcher!
To: "pv" <pvsurfer@cox.net>,	<SpamBayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEJGMHAA.whisper@oz.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Bouncing spam identifies your email address as valid and attracts more
flies...err.. spam :)

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of pv
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:07
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,now we need a good relief
> pitcher!
>
>
> SpamBayes Outlook plugin v0.7 does a great job catching spam, but
> unfortunately it doesn't reduce the onslaught of spam!
>
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:41:28 -0500
From: Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request
To: "Jamie Richard Wilson" <jwilson@cybernetek.com>
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <16181.12872.657197.769003@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


    Jamie> Great work on SpamBayes!

Good to hear.

    Jamie> Also, how do I submit a feature request for the Outlook add-in?

If you visit the SpamBayes project page

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/spambayes

and click the "RFE" link just below the project title header, you should be
able to submit your feature request.

Skip


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:01:23 -0400
From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,	now we need a good
	relief pitcher!
To: "pv" <pvsurfer@cox.net>
Cc: SpamBayes@python.org
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDKFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

[pv]
> ...
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?

Yes:  no such gimmick could be helpful.  Most spam forges a bogus sender
address, so besides increasing spam-related junk traffic, most bounces will
end up bouncing right back to you (due to a bad address), or end up in an
innocent victim's mailbox.  Solves nothing, creates more problems.

not-that-in-god's-eyes-any-of-us-are-innocent<wink>-ly y'rs  - tim



------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:04:11 -0400
From: "David Jackson" <help@maitlandcp.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJEEIACDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I subscribe to a number of technical email lists and use the Rules Wizard"
in Outlook to put the emails automatically into separate folders. I am also
using "Junk Senders" rules.

How can I get the Rules Wizard and SpamBayes to play nice? Should I have
Spam Bayes monitor a non-Inbox folder and have everything that does not fit
previous rules, move it to that folder?

I guess my questions are
1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?

This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.

Thanks

David Jackson



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:24:51 +0100
From: Richie Hindle <richie@entrian.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,	now we need a good
	relief pitcher!
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <cdlajv43lfl09gequeh4n80lpru9hp7kdl@4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


[pv]
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?

[Tim]
> bounces will end up [...] in an innocent victim's mailbox.

Tell me about it - I'm getting about fifteen hundred of these per day at
the moment, and have been for several months.  (It's not because of my
involvement with Spambayes, 'cos they're going to an old address.)

I'm not using Spambayes to filter them, partly because they're easy to
filter without it, partly because I don't want to encourage Spambayes to
treat genuine bounces as spam (pure paranoia - I have no evidence that it
would) and partly because I do look at any that aren't obviously
machine-generated, just in case they're from someone threatening legal
action or something.

The sooner the entire world adopts Spambayes and makes spam a thing of the
past, the better.

--
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com



------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:06:14 -0700
From: "Peter B. Harrison, MD" <pbharrison@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard
	?
To: "Spambayes" <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKDHIPFEGFEBGNPMAAELNCOAA.pbharrison@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

BS (before SpamBayes) I used outlook's filter rules, and after, with no
action on my part, they work basically the same, except that spambayes had
taken most of the spam out.  There are a few "spams" that I want to go to
the outlook junk mail, rather than spam, and that still works find.  AS I
added a new rule for the spambayes mailing list, which also works.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of David Jackson
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:04 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?



I subscribe to a number of technical email lists and use the Rules Wizard"
in Outlook to put the emails automatically into separate folders. I am also
using "Junk Senders" rules.

How can I get the Rules Wizard and SpamBayes to play nice? Should I have
Spam Bayes monitor a non-Inbox folder and have everything that does not fit
previous rules, move it to that folder?

I guess my questions are
1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?

This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.

Thanks

David Jackson


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:36:51 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard
	?
To: <help@maitlandcp.com>, <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <018f01c35ec6$bbc4d380$f502a8c0@eden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

> I guess my questions are
> 1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
> 2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?
>
> This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.

They work the best if yoyu enable the new, experimental timer.  This
introduces a delay before spam is filtered, giving the builtin rules time to
process.

Mark.



------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:36:16 -0400
From: "Kurt Reuss" <kurt@contractor.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] no folderchoices
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <NFENJGECLIMPDLLJHIPAMEKCDPAA.kurt@contractor.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

After clicking 'browse' within the TRAINING section I don't have any choices
available.  I have many subfolders to Inbox including the new SPAM and POSS
SPAM boxes; What might be causing the problem?
Kurt Reuss
President

Contractor.com
240 s broadway, suite 207
denver, CO 80209
kurt@contractor.com
p: 416.972.9174
f: (419) 844-0062

visit us at: www.contractor.com

"Bringing homeowners and contractors together"



------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:40:29 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Troubleshoot question re: Outlook Plug-In...
To: "'Brian Primack'" <brianprimack@hotmail.com>,
	<SpamBayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <019001c35ec7$3d749820$f502a8c0@eden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

> Here's my ISSUES:
>
> 1)      The Outlook Plug-in has never been able to
> auto-detect and move spam
> from my "Hotmail" Inbox to the Spam box.
>
> 2)      Spam column percentages only display in my "Personal
> Folders" Spam
> box;
>
> a.      Percentages do not display in Spam column for other boxes.

Please upgrade to version 007 of the plugin.  This fixes a bug when
processing Hotmail mail.  Note that your hotmail items will still be unable
to save the Spam score, and hence it will not show in the 'Spam' column -
but it should still be able to filter these messages, and show you the spam
score via the "Show Spam Clues" feature.

Mark.



------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:42:54 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] no folderchoices
To: "'Kurt Reuss'" <kurt@contractor.com>, <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <019601c35ec7$92e9e210$f502a8c0@eden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

> After clicking 'browse' within the TRAINING section I don't
> have any choices
> available.  I have many subfolders to Inbox including the new
> SPAM and POSS
> SPAM boxes; What might be causing the problem?

Could you please follow the "troubleshooting guide", and attach a log to a
bug.  The log is critical, as it tells us what went wrong.

Thanks,

Mark.



------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:21:36 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Subject: [Spambayes] ComputerWorld SpamBayes articles
To: <spambayes@python.org>, <spambayes-dev@python.org>
Message-ID: <01f001c35ecc$fb5cad00$f502a8c0@eden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Thanks Larry!  I hadn't seen it.  I hope you don't mind me forwarding
this...

Mark.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fresinski
Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 9:30 PM
To: Mark Hammond
Subject: RE: [Spambayes-announce] ANNOUNCE: Version 007 of the Outlook
pluginavailable, and donations scheme up and running


Mark,
If you haven't seen it yet, I've told ComputerWorld about SPAMbayes work.
It's in there Aug. 4 edition and online here...

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801
,83689,00.html

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801
,83684,00.html

-Larry



------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:03:48 -0500
From: io219@comcast.net
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <1221222779.20030809190348@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for HAM
instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every HAM
message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have what
would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...

I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and cannot
even
find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the Python source.

Where can I do this easily/simply in the code?



------------------------------

Message: 14
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:24:33 -0400
From: Bill Yerazunis <wsy@merl.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Discard by default
To: io219@comcast.net
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <200308100024.h7A0OX611624@localhost.localdomain>


   From: io219@comcast.net

   Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for
HAM
   instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every
HAM
   message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
   click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have
what
   would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...

   I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and
   cannot even find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the
   Python source.

The fact that /ham/ matches the string /spam/ is why I don't use
the term "ham" in my stuff.

It's either 'spam' or 'good'.

     -Bill Yerazunis


------------------------------

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From richard at death2spam.net  Sun Aug 10 17:04:01 2003
From: richard at death2spam.net (Richard Jowsey)
Date: Sun Aug 10 02:04:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDKFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0@AWexpress>
Message-ID: <3F366CF1.21720.2A8AE7A7@localhost>

FYI, we're rejecting spam (and viruses) with a 5xx response from our 
Bayesian SMTP proxy server, right after it's classified (but before 
delivery). The good stuff gets through, but spammers get a "no way, 
Jose" contents-rejected response right away, and their messages get 
dumped. While it's very satisfying to see all that crud being flushed 
down the bit bin, I don't really think it makes much difference. When 
the delivery rejection rate goes above 35% or whatever, they'll just 
go buy a new list...

However, there has been some discussion lately about adopting a 
considerably more offensive strategy (kudos to Paul Graham), versus 
our current defensive attitude. With a number of ISPs now using 
Death2Spam filtering servers in Australia and NZ, plus data from 
various POP/SMTP proxy servers in the US and Europe, it's very easy 
to identify the most egrarious high-volume spammers. Of particular 
interest are those whose mega-junk mailouts contain URLs linking to a 
website...

Many of us have access to seriously FAT pipes (can you say bulk 
bandwidth). "War on Spam, Episode II" will most likely be launched 
with massive synchronized/distributed denial-of-service attacks on 
such garbage websites. Hey, they invited 10 million people to come 
look -- so let's find out what happens when a few million "web 
browsers" actually do. We want to see every page. Every graphic. All 
at the same time!

So sorry about your wimpy-ass web servers.

I've totally had it with these ignorant losers! Not content with 
blasting thousands of stupid emails into my inbox, the morons have 
been busily attacking my servers from day one. They're blatantly 
aggressive, pounding away at any open ports, trying various OS hacks 
and DoS attacks. If that's the way the slime-balls want to play, 
let's party! Counter-strikes will be launched from a large number of 
weapons-grade byte pumps, and from all over the planet...

Then we'll see how they like being on the receiving end for a change.

let's-really-kick-some-spammer-ass-ly yrs  ;-)
Richard

> [pv]
> > ...
> > Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> > 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
> 
> Yes:  no such gimmick could be helpful.  Most spam forges a bogus
> sender address, so besides increasing spam-related junk traffic, most
> bounces will end up bouncing right back to you (due to a bad address),
> or end up in an innocent victim's mailbox.  Solves nothing, creates
> more problems.
> 
> not-that-in-god's-eyes-any-of-us-are-innocent<wink>-ly y'rs  - tim
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 



From whisper at oz.net  Sun Aug 10 03:02:58 2003
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Sun Aug 10 05:00:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher
In-Reply-To: <3F366CF1.21720.2A8AE7A7@localhost>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEKEMBMHAA.whisper@oz.net>

<snip>
> Many of us have access to seriously FAT pipes (can you say bulk
> bandwidth). "War on Spam, Episode II" will most likely be launched
> with massive synchronized/distributed denial-of-service attacks on
> such garbage websites. Hey, they invited 10 million people to come
> look -- so let's find out what happens when a few million "web
> browsers" actually do. We want to see every page. Every graphic. All
> at the same time!

Of course, there is the minor detail that DOS attacks are illegal in many
places...

Dave LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA


From whisper at oz.net  Sun Aug 10 03:09:21 2003
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Sun Aug 10 05:07:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <018f01c35ec6$bbc4d380$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEEEMCMHAA.whisper@oz.net>

>
> > I guess my questions are
> > 1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
> > 2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?
> >
> > This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.
>
> They work the best if yoyu enable the new, experimental timer.  This
> introduces a delay before spam is filtered, giving the builtin
> rules time to
> process.
>
> Mark.
>

Is there any way to guarantee that spammy runs before any rules? All my
rules are move rules, but I still get strange things like duplicates in the
destination folder, junk mail and "spam maybe" all at the same time! Of
course, I get duplicates of valid mail in both the destination folder and
junk mail folder and have done so since before I ever installed spammy. (If
anyone knows why that happens, I would really like to know - I have one
mailing list (tcl-httpd) where every single email ends up both in the ml
folder _and_ the junk mail folder!)

TIA,

Dave LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA


From stephanedelaval at wanadoo.fr  Sun Aug 10 13:09:19 2003
From: stephanedelaval at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Delaval?=)
Date: Sun Aug 10 06:09:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
Message-ID: <EFEGLGBFHHLAAGOMLDGJAEGMCFAA.stephanedelaval@wanadoo.fr>

Hello

I am running Windows XP HE SP1 + Outlook 2000 (all in French).

I tried both unpriviledged and priviledged user.
Spambayes installation (binary 007) worked fine. I could create spambayes
database and I have spambayes buttons).

However when I want to declare message as spam, spambayes tells me that it
is not enabled.

In Tools->Options->Other->Advanced->COM Add-ins, spambayes is not listed.

I reinstalled spambayes, ran the regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll but with
no success.

I am in the "stumped" response. Any clues to solve it ?

Here is the spambayes log file :
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Stephane\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Stephane\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 870 spam and 4 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003) starting (with
engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
ERROR: 'You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam'
ERROR: 'You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam'
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Stephane\Application
Data\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini

Many thanks



From richard at death2spam.net  Sun Aug 10 21:39:56 2003
From: richard at death2spam.net (Richard Jowsey)
Date: Sun Aug 10 06:40:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEKEMBMHAA.whisper@oz.net>
References: <3F366CF1.21720.2A8AE7A7@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F36AD9C.1804.2B8781F9@localhost>

> Of course, there is the minor detail that DOS attacks are illegal in
> many places...

Yeah, and so is killing people. Except in self defence. Spamming's 
illegal in WA, but that hasn't stopped the mongrels. The law has 
quite failed us in this matter, and there are many angry citizens who 
are quite ready for vigilante action. We're protecting ourselves from 
the barbarians. That can't be illegal!

Cheers,
Richard

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Sun Aug 10 10:08:52 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Sun Aug 10 09:09:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F1@SPIKE.city>

I'm going to make a radical suggestion. The issue raised by Ms Delaval arises daily in this forum, and I think it stems from the fact that Spambayes is not enabled by default (since you have to pick your way through the training process first). Why not make the initial training optional and enable Spambayes by default? You'd need to include a few sample ham and spam messages to prime the process, but that's easy enough. Doing it this way would retard Spambayes's ability to adapt itself to the individual user, but it would catch up eventually. And a user who actually bothered to read the installation instructions could do it right, just like now. ;^)

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: St?phane Delaval [mailto:stephanedelaval@wanadoo.fr]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> I am running Windows XP HE SP1 + Outlook 2000 (all in French).
> 
> I tried both unpriviledged and priviledged user.
> Spambayes installation (binary 007) worked fine. I could 
> create spambayes
> database and I have spambayes buttons).
> 
> However when I want to declare message as spam, spambayes 
> tells me that it
> is not enabled.
> 
> In Tools->Options->Other->Advanced->COM Add-ins, spambayes is 
> not listed.
> 
> I reinstalled spambayes, ran the regsvr32.exe 
> spambayes_addin.dll but with
> no success.
> 
> I am in the "stumped" response. Any clues to solve it ?
> 
> Here is the spambayes log file :
> Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and 
> Settings\Stephane\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
> Settings\Stephane\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 870 spam and 4 good messages
> SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003) 
> starting (with
> engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
> on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
> using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 
> bit (Intel)]
> ERROR: 'You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam'
> ERROR: 'You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam'
> Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Stephane\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From jlchagra at videotron.ca  Sun Aug 10 10:17:17 2003
From: jlchagra at videotron.ca (Lyne Charbonneau)
Date: Sun Aug 10 09:18:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Train Now doesn't work
Message-ID: <000901c35f41$bb96efd0$6501a8c0@lynec>

In "Folders with know good messages" I put Inbox with more than 100 messages. In "Folders with know spam or other junk messages" I put 150 spamm messages. When I click onTrain Nom it's sais : 
Scoring : Completed training with 0 spam and 1 good messages.

What's the problem?
I have Windows XP professional and your last version of SpamBayes

Thank You

Lyne

Here is the 3 files that I have

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From wsy at merl.com  Sun Aug 10 11:36:46 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Sun Aug 10 10:36:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F1@SPIKE.city>
	(rcoe@CambridgeMA.GOV)
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F1@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <200308101436.h7AEakq26677@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "Coe, Bob" <rcoe@CambridgeMA.GOV>

   I'm going to make a radical suggestion. The issue raised by Ms
   Delaval arises daily in this forum, and I think it stems from the
   fact that Spambayes is not enabled by default (since you have to
   pick your way through the training process first). Why not make the
   initial training optional and enable Spambayes by default? You'd
   need to include a few sample ham and spam messages to prime the
   process, but that's easy enough. Doing it this way would retard
   Spambayes's ability to adapt itself to the individual user, but it
   would catch up eventually. And a user who actually bothered to read
   the installation instructions could do it right, just like now. ;^)

I do this on CRM114- the kit comes with prebuilt databases 
of around half a meg each of good and evil, all 100% hand-vetted.

Whether you keep them, toss them, or build from them is your own
decision.

	-Bill Yerazunis

From tmj at juntunen.us  Sun Aug 10 11:57:55 2003
From: tmj at juntunen.us (Thomas Juntunen)
Date: Sun Aug 10 11:57:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Please trim your replies
In-Reply-To: <E19lmAQ-000747-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <r02000000-1026-68029381CB4B11D7B3C7000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.7]>

On 8/10/03, "David Jackson" <help@maitlandcp.com> imposed order on a stream of electrons to say:

>What is this  new, experimental timer?  I am not seeing this in .006
>version.
>
...and then regurgitated the entire contents of digest 20 as a quoted comment, right in the middle of digest 21...

David, please do not reply without trimming -- one digest is enough!

You may also want to take note of this list reminder:
>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of Spambayes digest..."

Thanks!
Thomas Juntunen

From stephanedelaval at wanadoo.fr  Sun Aug 10 19:48:12 2003
From: stephanedelaval at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Delaval?=)
Date: Sun Aug 10 12:48:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
Message-ID: <EFEGLGBFHHLAAGOMLDGJIEGNCFAA.stephanedelaval@wanadoo.fr>

Hello
In a response to my problem, it was suggested (if my understanding is fine)
that I did not follow the installation process.
I did read the installation instruction and followed the 6 steps described.
And I trained 870 spam messages successfully. After that, I tried to add
more spam manually and then I got the "spambayes not enabled" message, so I
wanted to add the spambayes plugin but it did not work.
Did I do the wrong way ? I don't like to bother people on a mailing list for
instruction already available, but I looked into the FAQ and archive mailing
list about this problem with 007 version and found nothing that fixed it.
Many thanks for your help
Stephane




From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Sun Aug 10 14:49:06 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Sun Aug 10 13:49:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
In-Reply-To: <EFEGLGBFHHLAAGOMLDGJIEGNCFAA.stephanedelaval@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <20030810174915.E22498629B@plunder.dreamhost.com>

Display the SpamBayes Manager, click "enable filtering".

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of St?phane Delaval
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:48 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
> 
> Hello
> In a response to my problem, it was suggested (if my understanding is
> fine)
> that I did not follow the installation process.
> I did read the installation instruction and followed the 6 steps
> described.
> And I trained 870 spam messages successfully. After that, I tried to add
> more spam manually and then I got the "spambayes not enabled" message, so
> I
> wanted to add the spambayes plugin but it did not work.
> Did I do the wrong way ? I don't like to bother people on a mailing list
> for
> instruction already available, but I looked into the FAQ and archive
> mailing
> list about this problem with 007 version and found nothing that fixed it.
> Many thanks for your help
> Stephane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From fasty at i-sphere.com  Sun Aug 10 13:51:21 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Sun Aug 10 15:51:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about spambayes's statistical.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030810124950.00b5ed98@mail.i-sphere.com>

Hi there,

  I wanted ask you and I could not find anywhere the information how get 
stats output from spambayes tells how much percentage current, spam, 
unsure, and clean email statistical.

Let me know thanks!


-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From eclairvoyant at videotron.ca  Sun Aug 10 18:52:58 2003
From: eclairvoyant at videotron.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_ERO._Clairvoyant?=)
Date: Sun Aug 10 17:54:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem
In-Reply-To: <1888B5BA2108BC43A4756557073D05B90B2C1F@exchange.VALRO.local>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAP3U1N7GNlkiGe2Y0IHgk+QEAsnR+8NkB7kGBHBlvZaj0rwAAAAsVAAAAEAAAAIsClCBPSD1FhPW33x9ZVXkBAAAAAA==@videotron.ca>

Could you answer my question.
Thanks,

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ?ric ERO. Clairvoyant [mailto:eclairvoyant@valro.qc.ca] 
Sent: 7 ao?t 2003 08:08
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: Problem

 

Un avertissement concernant la confidentialit? suit ce message.

A warning concerning confidentiality follows this message. 

 

I follow all the information when I try to put a message in the spam the
SpamBayes said:

 

You must enable SpamBayes beore you can delete as spam.

 

I have the latest version downloaded this morning and I have Microsoft
Outlook XP

 

Waste of time since 1 hours just to try to make it running
.

 

Regards,

 

 

?ric ERO. Clairvoyant <mailto:eclairvoyant@valro.qc.ca> 

Consultant en s?curit?

MCP Exchange 2000, MCP 2000, MCP NT 4

Le Groupe Valro <http://www.valro.qc.ca/> 

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T?l. : (418) 626-6200

T?l?c. : (418) 626-6082

 

Un mod?le de s?curit? informatique <http://www.dcain.ca/>  : D.C.A.I.N.

 

 

AVERTISSEMENT CONCERNANT LA CONFIDENTIALIT?

 

Ce message, son contenu et ses pi?ces jointes (le cas ?ch?ant) sont
confidentiels et exclusivement adress?s ? son destinataire principal et
aux autres destinataires indiqu?s (le cas ?ch?ant). Si vous avez re?u ce
message alors que vous n'?tes pas un destinataire d?sign?, veuillez en
aviser imm?diatement l??metteur et d?truire ce message et les pi?ces
jointes.

 

WARNING REGARDING CONFIDENTIALITY

 

This e-mail, its contents and attachment (if necessary) are confidential
and are exclusively addressed to its principal recipient and to the other
recipients indicated (if necessary).  If you received this e-mail whereas
you are not the designated recipient, please inform immediately the
originator of the email and destroy it completely. 

 

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 11:14:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:15:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3559@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The fact that /ham/ matches the string /spam/ is why I don't 
> use the term "ham" in my stuff.

Ok, call me ignorant, but I don't understand how 'ham' and 'spam' match.
Rhyme, yes; match, no.  Is this some functionality of the slashes around
the words that means 'rhyming is a match'?  Doing a search for "ham"
doesn't result in any "spam" matches here...

Or maybe this is something to do with the fact that Americans can't
spell? <wink>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 11:22:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:23:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF356E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Could you answer my question.
[...]
> I follow all the information when I try to put a message in 
> the spam the SpamBayes said:
[...]
> You must enable SpamBayes beore you can delete as spam.

Please read FAQ 3.8:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

If this doesn't solve the problem, then please go through the steps in
the troubleshooting guide - in particular finding the log files and
submitting a bug report.

=Tony Meyer

From ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Aug 11 11:28:13 2003
From: ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:28:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes technical document
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BB831B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212AC42@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> where can i get spambayes technical document?

I'm not sure exactly what you're after here, but whatever it is, if we have
it, it will be in cvs, probably also on the website and possibly in the
source package.

Can you be a bit more specific?

=Tony Meyer


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 09:48:28 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:48:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
In-Reply-To: <EFEGLGBFHHLAAGOMLDGJAEGMCFAA.stephanedelaval@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <024301c35f91$8492dda0$f502a8c0@eden>

> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\Stephane\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 870 spam and 4 good messages

SpamBayes won't let you enable it until you have 5 good and 5 bad mails.  It
looks like you have trained on only 4 good ones.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 09:50:22 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:50:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F1@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <024401c35f91$c92a6000$f502a8c0@eden>

> I'm going to make a radical suggestion. The issue raised by 
> Ms Delaval arises daily in this forum, and I think it stems 
> from the fact that Spambayes is not enabled by default (since 
> you have to pick your way through the training process 
> first). Why not make the initial training optional and enable 
> Spambayes by default? You'd need to include a few sample ham 
> and spam messages to prime the process, but that's easy 
> enough. Doing it this way would retard Spambayes's ability to 
> adapt itself to the individual user, but it would catch up 
> eventually. And a user who actually bothered to read the 
> installation instructions could do it right, just like now. ;^)

Everytime this comes up, someone points out that the many clues in such a
pre-built database would be subtly different - eg, the "to" address, the
real name, the name of your ISP in the headers, etc.

However, InBoxer does exactly this - I wonder what their experiences are.
Sean?

Other options would be:
* A "wizard" style interface for initial training.
* Auto-enabling SpamBayes once it is trained and configured.

Mark.
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 09:53:48 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:53:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Train Now doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <000901c35f41$bb96efd0$6501a8c0@lynec>
Message-ID: <024801c35f92$434316c0$f502a8c0@eden>

> In "Folders with know good messages" I put Inbox with more
> than 100 messages. In "Folders with know spam or other junk
> messages" I put 150 spamm messages. When I click onTrain Nom
> it's sais :
> Scoring : Completed training with 0 spam and 1 good messages.

Please note that the folders you specify for "Filtering" may be different
than the folders you specify for "Training".  Is it possible you are
specifying different folders?  SpamBayes is only finding 1 good message and
no spam in all those folders.

Otherwise I am stumped, and have never heard of anything similar.  Is there
anything "unusual" about your Outlook setup?


Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 09:55:13 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 18:55:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEEEMCMHAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <024e01c35f92$76395a80$f502a8c0@eden>

> Is there any way to guarantee that spammy runs before any 
> rules? 

No :(

> All my
> rules are move rules, but I still get strange things like 
> duplicates in the
> destination folder, junk mail and "spam maybe" all at the 
> same time! Of
> course, I get duplicates of valid mail in both the 
> destination folder and
> junk mail folder and have done so since before I ever 
> installed spammy. (If
> anyone knows why that happens, I would really like to know - 
> I have one
> mailing list (tcl-httpd) where every single email ends up 
> both in the ml
> folder _and_ the junk mail folder!)

This is strange.  Even with the timer?

Mark

From help at maitlandcp.com  Sun Aug 10 20:07:38 2003
From: help at maitlandcp.com (David Jackson)
Date: Sun Aug 10 19:09:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes scoring
Message-ID: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJMEIGCDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>

Anything with a score of 90 or greater is called "Spam".
When I look at the score of Spam emails, I get scores of 1 or so.

Why is the scoring so different?

Thanks

David Jackson, A+, MCSE, MCSA, MCP
Maitland Computer Pros LLC
www.maitlandcp.com 407-628-1919

From tys at cs.ualberta.ca  Sun Aug 10 18:14:30 2003
From: tys at cs.ualberta.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Sun Aug 10 19:15:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <024e01c35f92$76395a80$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <004701c35f95$274169b0$a9f4b38e@gaza>

One thing I have found to help is to monitor the folders which your
rules move messages too, not just your inbox.

Tys von Gaza 
tys@cs.ualberta.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Hammond
> Sent: August 10, 2003 4:55 PM
> To: 'David LeBlanc'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard
?
> 
> > Is there any way to guarantee that spammy runs before any
> > rules?
> 
> No :(
> 
> > All my
> > rules are move rules, but I still get strange things like
> > duplicates in the
> > destination folder, junk mail and "spam maybe" all at the
> > same time! Of
> > course, I get duplicates of valid mail in both the
> > destination folder and
> > junk mail folder and have done so since before I ever
> > installed spammy. (If
> > anyone knows why that happens, I would really like to know -
> > I have one
> > mailing list (tcl-httpd) where every single email ends up
> > both in the ml
> > folder _and_ the junk mail folder!)
> 
> This is strange.  Even with the timer?
> 
> Mark
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Aug 10 20:39:47 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Aug 10 19:40:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
In-Reply-To: <024401c35f91$c92a6000$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEIEFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Hammond]
> Everytime this comes up, someone points out that the many clues in
> such a pre-built database would be subtly different - eg, the "to"
> address, the real name, the name of your ISP in the headers, etc.

Header tokens could be purged, of course.  As we recently discovered, the
Outlook addin does well without the headers <wink>.

> However, InBoxer does exactly this - I wonder what their
> experiences are.  Sean?

I'm curious too.  Sean?

> Other options would be:
> * A "wizard" style interface for initial training.
> * Auto-enabling SpamBayes once it is trained and configured.

* Don't sweat it.  With no training data, all msgs will score
  0.50 and so end up in the Unsure folder.  It's easy to explain
  why then, and the cure should be pretty obvious to the end
  user (i.e., no training == no knowledge, so start by categorizing
  all the stuff in the Unsure folder).  While I'm sure it varies
  by user, I enjoy blowing away my training data and starting
  over from scratch -- it's fun to watch it learn!
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 10:58:34 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 19:58:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <004701c35f95$274169b0$a9f4b38e@gaza>
Message-ID: <028601c35f9b$50562ba0$f502a8c0@eden>

> One thing I have found to help is to monitor the folders which your
> rules move messages too, not just your inbox.

Indeed - I should have been clearer.

Hopefully, the next version will have this as a real feature - no longer
"experimental".  Does anyone have opinions on this - ie:

* Should the default be timer enabled or disabled? (I assume disabled).
* How should the UI expose this - simply as a "checkbox", or should the user
also be able to set these timer values?  (ie, should the timer values also
be exposed in the UI).  Remember there are 2 delays - delay before starting
the filter process, and the delay between each message once started.
* What should the default value for these delays be?
* What should the docs say?

Any other comments?

Anyone with MSVC or any other Windows dialog editor and an eye for dialog
design want to mock something up?  There is a new dialog system now in CVS,
so modifying these dialogs is now almost trivial.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 13:04:21 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:05:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes scoring
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF366B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Anything with a score of 90 or greater is called "Spam".
> When I look at the score of Spam emails, I get scores of 1 or so.
> Why is the scoring so different?

Do you mean that the scores you see don't match with those in the "Show
clues" information?  If so, what you are probably seeing is a bug that
was introduced in the 006 version.  If you are using this version, you
should definitely upgrade to the new 007 version, which fixes this bug.

Do you mean that there is a difference between a score of 1 and a score
of 90?  The 90 is a percentage, so actually means a score of 0.9.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 11:08:07 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:08:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Initial training strategy for Outlook
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEIEFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <028d01c35f9c$a52777f0$f502a8c0@eden>

In another thread, Tim and I pontificate on initial training strategies.
I'd like feedback from real users too.

[Tim]
> [Mark Hammond]
> > Everytime this comes up, someone points out that the many clues in
> > such a pre-built database would be subtly different - eg, the "to"
> > address, the real name, the name of your ISP in the headers, etc.
> 
> Header tokens could be purged, of course.  As we recently 
> discovered, the
> Outlook addin does well without the headers <wink>.

Actually, I made a mistake in my announce mail - no binary was ever released
with that behaviour.  What threw me was the bug report - I assumed it first
came up in 006, but the user was always running from source code.  So my
apologies to everyone I scared with our "major bug" that wasn't :)

So it does fairly well, but a lack of complaints from users about the
effectiveness is unfortunately misleading.

> > Other options would be:
> > * A "wizard" style interface for initial training.
> > * Auto-enabling SpamBayes once it is trained and configured.
> 
> * Don't sweat it.  With no training data, all msgs will score
>   0.50 and so end up in the Unsure folder.  It's easy to explain
>   why then, and the cure should be pretty obvious to the end
>   user (i.e., no training == no knowledge, so start by categorizing
>   all the stuff in the Unsure folder).  While I'm sure it varies
>   by user, I enjoy blowing away my training data and starting
>   over from scratch -- it's fun to watch it learn!

I guess this makes sense.  I wonder if we could make it work well for
everyone - particularly our users who are confused by the existing system?

I'd like some feedback from others on this list - how could we make the
initial "training" process simpler?  Would Tim's idea of allowing *no*
training data, and forcing the user to recover almost everything from
"unsure" work OK?

Mark.
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 13:22:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:23:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Initial training strategy for Outlook
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3697@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'd like feedback from real users too.

Am I am real user? ;)  (You're getting my comments anyway, so I guess
that's rhetorical...)

> I'd like some feedback from others on this list - how could 
> we make the initial "training" process simpler?  Would Tim's 
> idea of allowing *no* training data, and forcing the user to 
> recover almost everything from "unsure" work OK?

I think so, as long as there is a prominent answer to the "why is
everything unsure?" question, really early in the about.html file.  I
think the "enable filtering" button could be removed (making room for
the timer ;) - is there really anyone that uses it without enabling
filtering?  (and couldn't they just not watch anything?)

IAC, if it is enabled by default, it won't actually do anything until
the user tells it which folders to watch, and won't move anything until
it is set to move (instead of "untouched") and the user picks a folder.
So it's not like they shouldn't be able to find their mail...

I like this idea much more than the initial database one.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 11:24:01 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:23:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes scoring
In-Reply-To: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJMEIGCDAA.help@maitlandcp.com>
Message-ID: <000501c35f9e$ddd1ede0$f502a8c0@eden>

> Anything with a score of 90 or greater is called "Spam".
> When I look at the score of Spam emails, I get scores of 1 or so.
>
> Why is the scoring so different?

Underneath the covers, all mails get a "spam score" between 0 and 1.
Outlook's views are configured to display a "percentage", and thus
internally multiplies the score by 100 for display.  The SpamBayes UI also
uses percentages, as we felt it more natural.

SpamClues probably should be clearer about this.  I just made a change show
"Spam Clues" shows both the percentage, and the "raw score" - eg:

Spam Score: 6% (0.0605828)

Hopefully that will make things clearer.  Or not <wink>

Mark.


From support at gwc-llc.com  Sun Aug 10 20:26:20 2003
From: support at gwc-llc.com (Brick Wall)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:26:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin .7
Message-ID: <HLEHLGKGJJAGLLLCENMGGEAOCJAA.support@gwc-llc.com>

I am currently testing this product and would like to submit some of the
things that I have discovered.  But I first want to find out if these
e-mails actually get looked at by a human.  I'd just hate to type a long
e-mail out and have it never get looked at.  

Brick Wall
MCP Windows 2000, MCSE NT 4.0, MCP+I NT 4.0, MCP NT 4.0, CNA, A+
Group W Communications Inc.
405-364-7399

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 13:30:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:31:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin .7
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF36AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am currently testing this product and would like
> to submit some of the things that I have discovered.
> But I first want to find out if these e-mails actually
> get looked at by a human.  I'd just hate to type a long
> e-mail out and have it never get looked at.  

Mail to the list gets read by many humans (and who knows what else
<wink>).  Bug reports/feature requests/patches through the sf system do
likewise, although not by as many.

You can read it yourself if you like:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes>

=Tony Meyer

From emile at fenx.com  Sun Aug 10 18:42:08 2003
From: emile at fenx.com (Emile van Sebille)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:39:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Verbiage change on Windows installer
Message-ID: <DHEBILOHDHAIPGMOAAENIELICAAA.emile@fenx.com>

For whatever reason, I can't get to the sf bugs page, so apologies if this
has already been said...


Currently reads:

"""
Word as Email Editor
If you have Outlook configured to use Microsoft Word
as your email editor, you must ensure Word is closed
before proceeding.  Unfortunately, just because you
can not see a Word window does not mean it is running.
"""

r/is/isn't, but then you end up with three negatives...

--

Emile van Sebille
emile@fenx.com


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Sun Aug 10 21:47:31 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:47:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Initial training strategy for Outlook
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F4@SPIKE.city>

I'm not sure I'd remove the "enable filtering" button, although I'd turn it on by default. And I wouldn't care if you renamed it. But I think I like the idea of being able to turn filtering off temporarily without uninstalling or reconfiguring Spambayes.

I guess it's relevant to mention that when we setup Spambayes for a user, we start him/her off with a collection of 1500 spam messages that I keep more or less up to date. (The last time I checked, no messages were more than about a month old.) Of course we use one or two of the user's own folders as the ham. This works fine, and no one has reported false positives as a result of the fact that he started with my spam instead of his own. My experience is that users throw away their spam as soon as it comes in, so most don't have enough available to do a decent job of priming Spambayes.

But the "starting from scratch" idea has merit too. It should result in the fastest and easiest setup. One could argue that Spambayes's only serious drawback is its relatively cumbersome setup.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: Mark Hammond; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Initial training strategy for Outlook
> 
> 
> > I'd like feedback from real users too.
> 
> Am I am real user? ;)  (You're getting my comments anyway, so I guess
> that's rhetorical...)
> 
> > I'd like some feedback from others on this list - how could 
> > we make the initial "training" process simpler?  Would Tim's 
> > idea of allowing *no* training data, and forcing the user to 
> > recover almost everything from "unsure" work OK?
> 
> I think so, as long as there is a prominent answer to the "why is
> everything unsure?" question, really early in the about.html file.  I
> think the "enable filtering" button could be removed (making room for
> the timer ;) - is there really anyone that uses it without enabling
> filtering?  (and couldn't they just not watch anything?)
> 
> IAC, if it is enabled by default, it won't actually do anything until
> the user tells it which folders to watch, and won't move anything
> until it is set to move (instead of "untouched") and the user picks 
> a folder.  So it's not like they shouldn't be able to find their mail...
> 
> I like this idea much more than the initial database one.
> 
> =Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 11:58:35 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:58:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Verbiage change on Windows installer
In-Reply-To: <DHEBILOHDHAIPGMOAAENIELICAAA.emile@fenx.com>
Message-ID: <001401c35fa3$b1f928f0$f502a8c0@eden>

> For whatever reason, I can't get to the sf bugs page, so 
> apologies if this
> has already been said...

It has, and fixed - thanks!

Mark.


From whisper at oz.net  Sun Aug 10 19:01:32 2003
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Sun Aug 10 20:59:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <024e01c35f92$76395a80$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEONMHAA.whisper@oz.net>

> To: 'David LeBlanc'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
>
>
> > Is there any way to guarantee that spammy runs before any
> > rules?
>
> No :(

Too bad. Maybe a proxy agent between Outbloat and the mail server is the
answer. It makes a lot more sense to me to have spammy get all the spams at
the point of entry compared to scanning multiple mailboxes. I have quite a
few and it would probably start taking far too long if it did that.

> > All my
> > rules are move rules, but I still get strange things like
> > duplicates in the
> > destination folder, junk mail and "spam maybe" all at the
> > same time! Of
> > course, I get duplicates of valid mail in both the
> > destination folder and
> > junk mail folder and have done so since before I ever
> > installed spammy. (If
> > anyone knows why that happens, I would really like to know -
> > I have one
> > mailing list (tcl-httpd) where every single email ends up
> > both in the ml
> > folder _and_ the junk mail folder!)
>
> This is strange.  Even with the timer?
>
> Mark

Sorry, there might be a misunderstanding here: Outbloat did the messages in
multiple folders trick before spammy was ever installed. I can't fathom how
it can apply more than one rule to a message given that all the rules are
"move" rules: the message is no longer in the inbox by the time the next
rule is processed.

I wonder how many people who use pop/smtp in lieu of exchange actually use
Outbloat's other features much? I've given thought to a proxy that includes
spammy and better rules processing. At that point, the only thing I would
use Outbloat for is ocassional appointments and how hard could building one
of those be? A simple mail program could do everything Outbloat does (as a
mail program) and be half the size _with_ python loaded!

Dave LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA


From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug 10 20:59:37 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug 10 21:00:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin .7
In-Reply-To: <HLEHLGKGJJAGLLLCENMGGEAOCJAA.support@gwc-llc.com>
References: <HLEHLGKGJJAGLLLCENMGGEAOCJAA.support@gwc-llc.com>
Message-ID: <16182.60025.793394.102421@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brick> But I first want to find out if these e-mails actually get looked
    Brick> at by a human.  

I looked at your message.  Does that count? ;-)

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 14:20:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 21:21:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF36EC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Too bad. Maybe a proxy agent between Outbloat and the mail 
> server is the answer.

If you are using POP3/IMAP rather than Exchange/hotmail, then you can,
of course, use pop3proxy/imapfilter with Outlook.  You lose the toolbar
stuff & the drag'n'drop training (at the moment), but you get the nice
web interface.  This does guarantee that classification is done before
any of Outlook's rules are run (and the you can insert your own rules
based on the spambayes headers wherever you like in the Outlook rule
chain).

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug 10 21:25:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug 10 21:25:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEONMHAA.whisper@oz.net>
References: <024e01c35f92$76395a80$f502a8c0@eden>
	<GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEONMHAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <16182.61558.922112.812084@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> > Is there any way to guarantee that spammy runs before any rules?
    >> 
    >> No :(

    David> Too bad. Maybe a proxy agent between Outbloat and the mail server
    David> is the answer.

Actually, if you want something to run before Outlook, use pop3proxy or
imapfilter.  The interface is web-based, so it's obviously not going to be
tightly integrated with Outlook, but it's functional.

<thinking-out-loud>

Another possibility might be to combine the best of the Outlook and the
pop3proxy.  When Outlook starts, you could fire up a proxy (like the core of
pop3proxy) and reconfigure Outlook to get mail from the proxy and the proxy
to get mail from the real POP server, restoring the POP3 settings upon exit.
The user interface would still be embedded in Outlook, but would control the
proxy via XML-RPC.  This would separate the UI from the proxy engine
completely, allowing the proxy engine to be reused with plugins for
different mailers.

</thinking-out-loud>

Skip

From support at gwc-llc.com  Sun Aug 10 21:41:34 2003
From: support at gwc-llc.com (Brick Wall)
Date: Sun Aug 10 21:42:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes outlook plugin .7
Message-ID: <HLEHLGKGJJAGLLLCENMGAEBACJAA.support@gwc-llc.com>

We found the SpamBayes product mentioned in an e-mail from watch guard live
security.  Upon reading the documentation for the outlook plug in and
subsequent testing of the product we have noticed the following.

Beginning with a base amount of e-mail totaling 2133 items, of this e-mail
539 are ham, and 1594 are Spam.  The mail was kept in a separate .pst file
as the plug in will assign a Spam value to the mail.  So that each test run
was completed with mail that was un-inventoried.  The mail was moved from an
un-modified .pst file with a copy command, and the .pst file was then closed
prior to any use of the plug in.  The system that the tests were carried out
on is a Pentium III 800 mhz with 512 MB of ram and 2 20 GB IDE hard drives.
The operating system is windows 2000 service pack 4.  The outlook version is
outlook 2000 with no other office products installed.  McAfee antivirus
version 7.0 enterprise is installed, due to the nature of the Spam that is
being handled.  McAfee is configured for on access scanning and the add in
for outlook is functioning.  The plug in version used is .7.  The main .pst
file that the plug in is being run on was left in the default location
assigned by outlook, C:\documents and settings\bla bla bla....  The control
.pst file is stored in the C:\temp folder.  The file system on the C
partition is NTFS and the page file is on the C partition in the default
location of root.

The first test was run after a training was completed with 36 Spam and 31
ham.  This resulted in a 486 ham, 1647 Spam split.  This was extremely close
to the actual split of 539 and 1594.  But there were several e-mails that
were moved as Spam, like mail delivery failures and messages from cell
phones/text pagers.  After using the button provided on the tool bar of
outlook, and moving 5-10 items the test was re-run with fresh,
un-inventoried mail.  The results yielded a 520 ham 1613 Spam split, which
was an almost perfect run.  We went through the mail and again added 5-10
more messages via the button provided.  Again the test was run with
un-inventoried mail from the unmodified .pst file.  After 2 rounds of
training via the tool bar button the results were quite puzzling.  On this
run the split was 1294 ham and 839 Spam.  We completed this whole procedure
2 more times and ended up with results that had a variance of less than 2%
as far as the split numbers.

For some reason it seems that in using the tool bar button the functionality
of the plug in decreases after the first use.

At the end of the third run we took the folders with the 539 ham 1594 Spam
split, which is a perfect split in this case, and moved them in to folders
to use for training.  We then trained on these 2 folders, with "rebuild
entire database" checked, and emptied the in box and Spam folder.  We then
repopulated the in box with un-inventoried mail and ran the filter process
again.  Upon this run with the rebuild training using mail items that were
picked through by hand the results were 540 ham and 1593 Spam.  Which is as
near perfect as I have ever seen.  The 1 offending e-mail was blatantly
Spam, of pornographic origin, but was only ranked at 87% by the filter.
This was even after having moved this mail item to a folder and training on
it with the rebuild option checked.  I have not been able to find out why it
will not rate this mail item higher than 87%.  

On a side note I found it interesting that when the filter is given the task
or sorting through all 2133 items, it ran faster when the focus was taken
away from the outlook window and put on another window.  In this scenario
the other window was the task manager.  The plug in will consume 99% of the
processor cycles, and outlook.exe is the thread that reports the cycles as
being used.  In our testing there was a drop from 99% to approximately 56%
every 10-12 seconds.  With the 43% of the processor registering Idle for
approximately 1 second and then returning 99% to the outlook.exe thread. 

I hope that this e-mail was found to be of use to any and all that may read
it.  I would like to be contacted so I may further assist in testing this
product, as it is the best Spam filter that I have seen in my 10 years as a
network engineer.  

I would also like to thank Skip and Tony for their speedy replies to my
initial e-mail.  I'm glad that humans will actually see this.  

Brick Wall
MCP Windows 2000, MCSE NT 4.0, MCP+I NT 4.0, MCP NT 4.0, CNA, A+
Group W Communications Inc.
405-364-7399

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 12:44:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 10 21:44:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEONMHAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <005601c35faa$0c579010$f502a8c0@eden>

> Too bad. Maybe a proxy agent between Outbloat and the mail
> server is the
> answer.

Yeah - something like that may work.  Another alternative would be the more
generic "filter" mechanism Sean and I are talking about - but keeping
Outlook rules in place would appeal to many.

I'd be very happy to help someone else drive this <wink>.

> Sorry, there might be a misunderstanding here: Outbloat did
> the messages in
> multiple folders trick before spammy was ever installed.

Wow - I've never seen that.  Most of my filters are simple "move" ones.  I
used to have "and stop future rules" set, and the last rule used to play a
sound.  I still generally select "stop future" still though.

But I never recall seeing that, and not all my rules are set that way.

> I wonder how many people who use pop/smtp in lieu of exchange
> actually use
> Outbloat's other features much?

Personally, I think Outlook is fine in stand alone mode, and excellent in
server mode.  Compared to the alternatives, of course <wink>.  Its
extensibility is excellent, even if occasionally eratic, and this is
reflected in the large number of plugins available for it.

Why do you use it if you hate it so much?

Mark.


From ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Aug 11 15:16:01 2003
From: ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Aug 10 22:16:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes technical document
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BB8497@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F286A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> i'm looking for its document flow chart.
> can you give me some?
> specially Classifier.py

Documenting the flow of what?  Execution?  It really depends on what is
using Classifier.py.  The methods that tend to be used, though, are
Clasifier().learn(), unlearn() and spamprob().  You can see what they call
by looking at the code <wink>.

Perhaps if you can say what you're trying to do, it would be easier to point
out what you need to read?

=Tony Meyer


From jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 11 04:54:10 2003
From: jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?=)
Date: Sun Aug 10 23:00:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <20030811025410.32206.qmail@web41810.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
 
 I need help, in the spambayes. I am currently working on an anti spam. Can you give me a complete flow chart on the Tokenizer.py and all of the include imports.
 
 
thanks



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From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug 10 23:09:11 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug 10 23:09:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
In-Reply-To: <20030811025410.32206.qmail@web41810.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030811025410.32206.qmail@web41810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16183.2263.934885.544028@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Jackie>  I need help, in the spambayes. I am currently working on an
    Jackie>  anti spam. Can you give me a complete flow chart on the
    Jackie>  Tokenizer.py and all of the include imports.

Not really.  The source is pretty easy to follow.  If you're completely
unfamiliar with Python, I suggest you spend a little time with the online
tutorial:

    http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 16:08:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 10 23:13:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF37AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>  I need help, in the spambayes. I am currently working on an 
> anti spam. Can you give me a complete flow chart on the 
> Tokenizer.py and all of the include imports.

By any chance are you working with Rociel Buico?  Two requests for a
flow chart, both from yahoo addresses, both from (what seems like) ESL
people, in one day, is rather odd.

I'll say the same thing I said to Rociel: what are you trying to do?  If
I understood that, I could probably point towards the right thing.

If you want to know what Tokenizer.py imports, then do a search for
"import" within the file ;).  Flow of what, exactly?  Execution?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 17:06:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 11 00:09:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about spambayes's statistical.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF37F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I wanted ask you and I could not find anywhere the information how get

> stats output from spambayes tells how much percentage current, spam, 
> unsure, and clean email statistical.

Which spambayes app are you using?  Those that have the web interface
(pop3proxy, imapfilter) display this information on the main page (top
left).

If you are using the Outlook plugin, note that there is this feature
request open:
[ 765924 ] Spam / ham statistics
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=765924&group_i
d=61702&atid=498106>

=Tony Meyer

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Sun Aug 10 22:16:42 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Mon Aug 11 00:16:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about spambayes's statistical.
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF37F2@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030810211559.03097a28@mail.i-sphere.com>

I am using procmail via unix shell account.

At 04:06 PM 8/11/2003 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > I wanted ask you and I could not find anywhere the information how get
>
> > stats output from spambayes tells how much percentage current, spam,
> > unsure, and clean email statistical.
>
>Which spambayes app are you using?  Those that have the web interface
>(pop3proxy, imapfilter) display this information on the main page (top
>left).
>
>If you are using the Outlook plugin, note that there is this feature
>request open:
>[ 765924 ] Spam / ham statistics
><http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=765924&group_i
>d=61702&atid=498106>
>
>=Tony Meyer

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 11 17:25:21 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 11 00:26:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF381A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> What i needed is the flow of execution, from the tokenizer.py,
> inside it, what it does, to the headers, the subject and the
> message body.

AFAIK, the only document that has this information is tokenizer.py
itself.  Usually tokenizing will be kicked off with the tokenize()
function, so just start there and see that it calls tokenize_headers()
and tokenize_body(), and so on.  There's a wealth of information in
tokenizer.py; it's definitely worth reading if you are interested in
this.

> I want to know where would the output go after 
> the tokenizer has done it's job.

Well, the tokens generator is returned to whatever function calls
tokenize().  This might be then pasted into a msg (like Outlook's "Show
Clues"), it might be used to train the classier, or any number of other
things.

> And i want to know which part
> is the writing of file of the tokenize strings, is it in the
> tokenizer or the classifier.

Do you mean to ask where the code that handles storing the database is?
It's in storage.py, which has a number of different classes that
subclass Classifier, providing persistence across sessions.

> and what is the command (yield).

As Skip suggested to Rociel, the tutorial is a good place to start:
<http://python.org/doc/2.3/tut/node11.html#SECTION0011100000000000000000
0>

=Tony Meyer

From esargent at americanconsulting.com  Mon Aug 11 01:11:32 2003
From: esargent at americanconsulting.com (Erik Sargent)
Date: Mon Aug 11 03:11:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes menu stops working.
In-Reply-To: <024301c35f91$8492dda0$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <E19m6qG-0001vs-00@mail.python.org>

I installed the 0.7 product a couple days ago. Everything worked fine until
today. The filtering still works fine, as do the "Delete as Spam" and
"Recover" buttons. But, the SpamBayes menu pull-down does NOT. It appears,
but when I click on it nothing happens.

Has anyone else seen this?

I've attached log files, but I suspect the culprit is:

FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567,
'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' - (-2147352567,
'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' -
(-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259),
None)

I'm running WinXP with Office 2003 B2TR. I've rebooted and reinstalled
SpamBayes and it did not solve the problem.

Erik



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From esargent at americanconsulting.com  Mon Aug 11 01:11:32 2003
From: esargent at americanconsulting.com (Erik Sargent)
Date: Mon Aug 11 03:11:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
In-Reply-To: <024401c35f91$c92a6000$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <E19m6qG-0001vt-00@mail.python.org>

Mark,
I just started using the plug-in this week, so my memory is pretty fresh.

I was also confused that it wasn't turned on at install.

I would suggest that you set a default of Monitoring to the INBOX folder and
turn it on by default.

I would also recommend that you automatically add a "Junk E-mail" and "Junk
Suspects" folder during install and use those as the default destination for
flagged messages. If you get a copy of Outlook 2003 beta2 Technical Refresh,
Microsoft automatically adds a "Junk E-Mail" folder. Even better, they allow
you to right-click the folder and delete spam directly from that folder.
This would be a cool dovetail of features with 2003.

As for training, I wouldn't mind starting from zero, but it does seem like
you could start with a small database of popular and unique messages.

Thank you for your work on this - very cool. I was happy to read about it
and even happier that it seems to work!

Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Hammond
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:50 PM
To: 'Coe, Bob'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled

> I'm going to make a radical suggestion. The issue raised by
> Ms Delaval arises daily in this forum, and I think it stems
> from the fact that Spambayes is not enabled by default (since
> you have to pick your way through the training process
> first). Why not make the initial training optional and enable
> Spambayes by default? You'd need to include a few sample ham
> and spam messages to prime the process, but that's easy
> enough. Doing it this way would retard Spambayes's ability to
> adapt itself to the individual user, but it would catch up
> eventually. And a user who actually bothered to read the
> installation instructions could do it right, just like now. ;^)

Everytime this comes up, someone points out that the many clues in such a
pre-built database would be subtly different - eg, the "to" address, the
real name, the name of your ISP in the headers, etc.

However, InBoxer does exactly this - I wonder what their experiences are.
Sean?

Other options would be:
* A "wizard" style interface for initial training.
* Auto-enabling SpamBayes once it is trained and configured.

Mark.



From andy-spambayes at portmacc.net  Mon Aug 11 09:43:53 2003
From: andy-spambayes at portmacc.net (Andy Holt)
Date: Mon Aug 11 03:43:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
Message-ID: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDCENFJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>

I was running the 005 binary version (I think) or perhaps the 004 - all was fine, so I thought I'd try the 007.  Now I appear to have no SpamBayes.  In the COM add-ins options dialog, SpamBayes isn't listed anymore.  I've tried the manual 'regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll' to no effect.  My log file (which is re-written each time I start Outlook) says:

Loaded bayes database from 'W:\Documents and Settings\aholt\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'W:\Documents and Settings\aholt\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 170 spam and 622 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox 2
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2.06954ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox 2' took 1.56864ms
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)

This kind of makes me think it's still there in the background, even though it's not listed in the COM add-ins list.

Any ideas; should I raise a bug?

Win2Kpro sp3, Outlook 2K sp3 in internet-only mode

cheers     __Andy__


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 20:09:02 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 05:08:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDCENFJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>
Message-ID: <022901c35fe8$359e3d00$f502a8c0@eden>

This will almost certainly be fixed by resetting the toolbars.  See the
troubleshooting guide (via about.html in the \Program Files\SpamBayes
directory.

Regards,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Andy Holt
> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 5:44 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
>
>
> I was running the 005 binary version (I think) or perhaps the
> 004 - all was fine, so I thought I'd try the 007.  Now I
> appear to have no SpamBayes.  In the COM add-ins options
> dialog, SpamBayes isn't listed anymore.  I've tried the
> manual 'regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll' to no effect.  My
> log file (which is re-written each time I start Outlook) says:
>
> Loaded bayes database from 'W:\Documents and
> Settings\aholt\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
> Loaded message database from 'W:\Documents and
> Settings\aholt\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 170 spam and 622 good messages
> SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003)
> starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
> on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3)
> using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32
> bit (Intel)]
> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox 2
> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
> Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2.06954ms
> Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox 2' took 1.56864ms
> FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' -
> (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
> -2147467259), None)
> FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' -
> (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
> -2147467259), None)
> FAILED to add the toolbar item
> 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' - (-2147352567, 'Exception
> occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
>
> This kind of makes me think it's still there in the
> background, even though it's not listed in the COM add-ins list.
>
> Any ideas; should I raise a bug?
>
> Win2Kpro sp3, Outlook 2K sp3 in internet-only mode
>
> cheers     __Andy__
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 20:16:47 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 05:16:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
In-Reply-To: <E19m6qG-0001vt-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <023601c35fe9$4afc1900$f502a8c0@eden>

Thanks - I think these are all good ideas and not too hard to implement.
I've opened 2 "bugs" (bugs as I don't look at the feature requests that
often, and I agree this is more urgent if our user base keeps growing at
this rate.

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=786513&group_id=61
702&atid=498103 and
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=786516&group_id=61
702&atid=498103.

Mark.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Erik Sargent
> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 5:12 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
>
>
> Mark,
> I just started using the plug-in this week, so my memory is
> pretty fresh.
>
> I was also confused that it wasn't turned on at install.
>
> I would suggest that you set a default of Monitoring to the
> INBOX folder and
> turn it on by default.
>
> I would also recommend that you automatically add a "Junk
> E-mail" and "Junk
> Suspects" folder during install and use those as the default
> destination for
> flagged messages. If you get a copy of Outlook 2003 beta2
> Technical Refresh,
> Microsoft automatically adds a "Junk E-Mail" folder. Even
> better, they allow
> you to right-click the folder and delete spam directly from
> that folder.
> This would be a cool dovetail of features with 2003.
>
> As for training, I wouldn't mind starting from zero, but it
> does seem like
> you could start with a small database of popular and unique messages.
>
> Thank you for your work on this - very cool. I was happy to
> read about it
> and even happier that it seems to work!
>
> Erik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Hammond
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:50 PM
To: 'Coe, Bob'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled

> I'm going to make a radical suggestion. The issue raised by
> Ms Delaval arises daily in this forum, and I think it stems
> from the fact that Spambayes is not enabled by default (since
> you have to pick your way through the training process
> first). Why not make the initial training optional and enable
> Spambayes by default? You'd need to include a few sample ham
> and spam messages to prime the process, but that's easy
> enough. Doing it this way would retard Spambayes's ability to
> adapt itself to the individual user, but it would catch up
> eventually. And a user who actually bothered to read the
> installation instructions could do it right, just like now. ;^)

Everytime this comes up, someone points out that the many clues in such a
pre-built database would be subtly different - eg, the "to" address, the
real name, the name of your ISP in the headers, etc.

However, InBoxer does exactly this - I wonder what their experiences are.
Sean?

Other options would be:
* A "wizard" style interface for initial training.
* Auto-enabling SpamBayes once it is trained and configured.

Mark.



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Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From andy-spambayes at portmacc.net  Mon Aug 11 11:34:20 2003
From: andy-spambayes at portmacc.net (Andy Holt)
Date: Mon Aug 11 05:34:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
In-Reply-To: <022901c35fe8$359e3d00$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDIENMJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>

Sorry, wasted your time there.  I deleted the SpamBayes toolbar, and now all is well.  I think this was caused by me installing 007 without disabling or removing anything of the previous install.  (?)

cheers


| -----Original Message-----
| From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
| Sent: 11 August 2003 10:09
| To: 'Andy Holt'; spambayes@python.org
| Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
| 
| 
| This will almost certainly be fixed by resetting the 
| toolbars.  See the
| troubleshooting guide (via about.html in the \Program Files\SpamBayes
| directory.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Mark.
| 
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
| > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Andy Holt
| > Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 5:44 PM
| > To: spambayes@python.org
| > Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
| >
| >
| > I was running the 005 binary version (I think) or perhaps the
| > 004 - all was fine, so I thought I'd try the 007.  Now I
| > appear to have no SpamBayes.  In the COM add-ins options
| > dialog, SpamBayes isn't listed anymore.  I've tried the
| > manual 'regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll' to no effect.  My
| > log file (which is re-written each time I start Outlook) says:
| >
| > Loaded bayes database from 'W:\Documents and
| > Settings\aholt\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
| > Loaded message database from 'W:\Documents and
| > Settings\aholt\Application 
| Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
| > Bayes database initialized with 170 spam and 622 good messages
| > SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003)
| > starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
| > on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3)
| > using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32
| > bit (Intel)]
| > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
| > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox 2
| > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
| > Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2.06954ms
| > Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox 2' took 1.56864ms
| > FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' -
| > (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
| > -2147467259), None)
| > FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' -
| > (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
| > -2147467259), None)
| > FAILED to add the toolbar item
| > 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' - (-2147352567, 'Exception
| > occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
| >
| > This kind of makes me think it's still there in the
| > background, even though it's not listed in the COM add-ins list.
| >
| > Any ideas; should I raise a bug?
| >
| > Win2Kpro sp3, Outlook 2K sp3 in internet-only mode
| >
| > cheers     __Andy__
| >
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Spambayes mailing list
| > Spambayes@python.org
| > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
| 
| 


From andy-spambayes at portmacc.net  Mon Aug 11 11:44:16 2003
From: andy-spambayes at portmacc.net (Andy Holt)
Date: Mon Aug 11 05:44:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDIENMJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDEENNJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>

The toolbar is there now, and working, and so is spam filtering.  However, SpamBayes still isn't listed in the COM add-ins list.  Should I care? :-)

| -----Original Message-----
| From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
| [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Andy Holt
| Sent: 11 August 2003 10:34
| To: Mark Hammond; spambayes@python.org
| Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
| 
| 
| Sorry, wasted your time there.  I deleted the SpamBayes 
| toolbar, and now all is well.  I think this was caused by me 
| installing 007 without disabling or removing anything of the 
| previous install.  (?)
| 
| cheers
| 
| 
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
| | Sent: 11 August 2003 10:09
| | To: 'Andy Holt'; spambayes@python.org
| | Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
| | 
| | 
| | This will almost certainly be fixed by resetting the 
| | toolbars.  See the
| | troubleshooting guide (via about.html in the \Program 
| Files\SpamBayes
| | directory.
| | 
| | Regards,
| | 
| | Mark.
| | 
| | > -----Original Message-----
| | > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
| | > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Andy Holt
| | > Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 5:44 PM
| | > To: spambayes@python.org
| | > Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
| | >
| | >
| | > I was running the 005 binary version (I think) or perhaps the
| | > 004 - all was fine, so I thought I'd try the 007.  Now I
| | > appear to have no SpamBayes.  In the COM add-ins options
| | > dialog, SpamBayes isn't listed anymore.  I've tried the
| | > manual 'regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll' to no effect.  My
| | > log file (which is re-written each time I start Outlook) says:
| | >
| | > Loaded bayes database from 'W:\Documents and
| | > Settings\aholt\Application 
| Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
| | > Loaded message database from 'W:\Documents and
| | > Settings\aholt\Application 
| | Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
| | > Bayes database initialized with 170 spam and 622 good messages
| | > SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003)
| | > starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
| | > on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3)
| | > using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32
| | > bit (Intel)]
| | > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
| | > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox 2
| | > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
| | > Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2.06954ms
| | > Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox 2' took 1.56864ms
| | > FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' -
| | > (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
| | > -2147467259), None)
| | > FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' -
| | > (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
| | > -2147467259), None)
| | > FAILED to add the toolbar item
| | > 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' - (-2147352567, 'Exception
| | > occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
| | >
| | > This kind of makes me think it's still there in the
| | > background, even though it's not listed in the COM add-ins list.
| | >
| | > Any ideas; should I raise a bug?
| | >
| | > Win2Kpro sp3, Outlook 2K sp3 in internet-only mode
| | >
| | > cheers     __Andy__


From romain.guy at jext.org  Mon Aug 11 13:32:52 2003
From: romain.guy at jext.org (Romain GUY)
Date: Mon Aug 11 06:37:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes : contribution
Message-ID: <2003811123252.908270@Thinthalion>

	Hello,

	I've installed SpamBayes today and I must admit I really do like it. As a user of Pocomail and Mozila Mail, which are both based on mbox files, I have no problem using it. Yet, I came to think to Outlook Express users. You should provide them a way to easily train SpamBayes with their existing mailboxes.

	I wrote a few months ago a small command line utility which allows the user to convert an Outlook Express mailbox DBX file to a Unix mbox one. In fact, this utility is based on the oe.mailbox module I wrote (this is in fact a port of a similar C++ lib).
	So here are my suggestions :
- you could ship oe2mbox.py script along with SpamBayes (even compiled as an exe)
- you could use my oe.mailbox lib to make SpamBayes be able to handle *.dbx files.

	My lib works on streams (the read()  and seek() methods must be supported) rather than on files so it could easily be integrated into the files based training system of SpamBayes.

	This lib is currently under GNU GPL but, as I did not distribute it yet, I can change the license to PSF if you wish.

	I have attached a zip file containing the oe2mbox script and the oe.mailbox lib. You may look at the oe2mbox.py file which is really simple indeed.

	I hope you'll be interested in my idea :-)

--
Romain GUY
romain.guy@jext.org
http://www.jext.org
http://progx.jext.org
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From nick at neoworks.com  Mon Aug 11 12:58:15 2003
From: nick at neoworks.com (Nick Vincent)
Date: Mon Aug 11 06:58:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] current CVS crashes Outlook on folder browse
Message-ID: <487B2B5FD092D411977400D0B73EB0A2554D44@titan.neoworks.co.uk>

Hi,

I've just updated SpamBayes to the latest version from CVS to get all the
007 fixes, and now when I go to SpamBayes Manager...>Train Now...>Browse...
Outlook GPFs and disappears.  This has not happened previously with any CVS
version since 004 was released.  There is no trace output other than:

Setting option 'Is filtering enabled?' (enabled) -> 1
Setting option 'Train as good as items are recovered?'
(train_recovered_spam) -> 1
Setting option 'Train as spam items are manually moved?' (train_manual_spam)
-> 1

Attempting to use either of the Browse... buttons in the Filter Rules dialog
shows this trace, but does not crash Outlook.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\dlgcore.py", line 286, in
OnCommand
    self.ApplyHandlingOptionValueError(handler.OnCommand, wparam, lparam)
  File "C:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\dlgcore.py", line 240, in
ApplyHandlingOptionValueError
    func(*args)
  File "C:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\opt_processors.py", line 189,
in OnCommand
    ids = [self.optin.get()]
AttributeError: FolderIDProcessor instance has no attribute 'optin'

Running:
Windows 2000
Outlook 2000 SP-2 (Exchange Server)
Python 2.2
win32all-152
pybsddb3

Thanks,

Nick

From andy-spambayes at portmacc.net  Mon Aug 11 13:37:40 2003
From: andy-spambayes at portmacc.net (Andy Holt)
Date: Mon Aug 11 07:37:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes menu stops working.
In-Reply-To: <E19m6qG-0001vs-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDCEOAJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>

Erik, I had a similar issue - deselecting and then deleting the toolbar (via Outlook's toolbar customize dialog box) and then restarting Outlook seemed to sort this out for me.

HTH   __Andy__

| -----Original Message-----
| From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
| [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Erik Sargent
| Sent: 11 August 2003 08:12
| To: spambayes@python.org
| Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes menu stops working.
| 
| 
| I installed the 0.7 product a couple days ago. Everything 
| worked fine until
| today. The filtering still works fine, as do the "Delete as Spam" and
| "Recover" buttons. But, the SpamBayes menu pull-down does 
| NOT. It appears,
| but when I click on it nothing happens.
| 
| Has anyone else seen this?
| 
| I've attached log files, but I suspect the culprit is:
| 
| FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - 
| (-2147352567,
| 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
| FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' - 
| (-2147352567,
| 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
| FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' -
| (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, 
| -2147467259),
| None)
| 
| I'm running WinXP with Office 2003 B2TR. I've rebooted and reinstalled
| SpamBayes and it did not solve the problem.
| 
| Erik


From piersh at friskit.com  Mon Aug 11 05:53:53 2003
From: piersh at friskit.com (Piers Haken)
Date: Mon Aug 11 07:46:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] current CVS crashes Outlook on folder browse
Message-ID: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92C76FD@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>

Oh yeah, and FolderSelector.py, line 343: TVM_GETSELECTEDITEM???

That's a new one on me...

Piers.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Vincent [mailto:nick@neoworks.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:58 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] current CVS crashes Outlook on folder browse
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just updated SpamBayes to the latest version from CVS to 
> get all the 007 fixes, and now when I go to SpamBayes 
> Manager...>Train Now...>Browse... Outlook GPFs and 
> disappears.  This has not happened previously with any CVS 
> version since 004 was released.  There is no trace output other than:
> 
> Setting option 'Is filtering enabled?' (enabled) -> 1
> Setting option 'Train as good as items are recovered?'
> (train_recovered_spam) -> 1
> Setting option 'Train as spam items are manually moved?' 
> (train_manual_spam)
> -> 1
> 
> Attempting to use either of the Browse... buttons in the 
> Filter Rules dialog shows this trace, but does not crash Outlook.
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\dlgcore.py", 
> line 286, in OnCommand
>     self.ApplyHandlingOptionValueError(handler.OnCommand, 
> wparam, lparam)
>   File "C:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\dlgcore.py", 
> line 240, in ApplyHandlingOptionValueError
>     func(*args)
>   File 
> "C:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\opt_processors.py", 
> line 189, in OnCommand
>     ids = [self.optin.get()]
> AttributeError: FolderIDProcessor instance has no attribute 'optin'
> 
> Running:
> Windows 2000
> Outlook 2000 SP-2 (Exchange Server)
> Python 2.2
> win32all-152
> pybsddb3
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nick
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 11 23:21:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 08:20:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] current CVS crashes Outlook on folder browse
In-Reply-To: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92C76FD@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>
Message-ID: <000001c36003$081777f0$f502a8c0@eden>

> > I've just updated SpamBayes to the latest version from CVS to 
> > get all the 007 fixes, and now when I go to SpamBayes 
> > Manager...>Train Now...>Browse... Outlook GPFs and 
> > disappears.  This has not happened previously with any CVS 
> > version since 004 was released.  There is no trace output 
> other than:

Sorry - I have fixed this (but unfortunately you will need to wait for the
CVS backup server to catch up).  This was a part of the new "dialog" branch
I checked in.  Notice the nice new tooltips? <wink>

Mark.
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From dustin at dustinsell.com  Mon Aug 11 05:58:21 2003
From: dustin at dustinsell.com (Dustin Sell)
Date: Mon Aug 11 08:56:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes (pop3proxy) on Mandrake 9.1
Message-ID: <200308110458.21789.dustin@dustinsell.com>

Hello,

I am attempting to install SpamBayes' pop3proxy on a Mandrake 9.1 system and 
recieve the below error.  I have tried to manually open the url, but get the 
standard, "cannot connect to localhost on port 8880".

Do you have an idea as to why this is happening?  I have Python 2.2.2 
installed (the default Mandrake 9.1 installation).

Thanks for your time,
Dustin



---- <snip> ----
[dustin@dhcppc4 spambayes-1.0a4]$ python pop3proxy.py -b
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database... Done.
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 777, in ?
    run()
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 771, in run
    main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 710, in main
    Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
  File "spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 527, in run
    webbrowser.open_new("http://localhost:%d/" % context._HTTPPort)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/webbrowser.py", line 46, in open_new
    get().open(url, 1)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/webbrowser.py", line 38, in get
    raise Error("could not locate runnable browser")
webbrowser.Error: could not locate runnable browser
---- <snip> ----

PS: After I receive the error, I am unable to manually open 
http://localhost:8880/ using a web client.  Getting the standard "error":

An error occured while loading http://localhost:8880/:
Could not connect to host localhost (port 8880)

From eclairvoyant at valro.qc.ca  Mon Aug 11 10:03:13 2003
From: eclairvoyant at valro.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_ERO._Clairvoyant?=)
Date: Mon Aug 11 09:04:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem
In-Reply-To: <1964610D85A2AC4893F23B91F09040D4CD0611@exchange.VALRO.local>
Message-ID: <1888B5BA2108BC43A4756557073D05B90B2C2E@exchange.VALRO.local>

I removed the program because it is not working at all.

 

Why I still have the 2 icons on my Microsoft?Taskbar?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ?ric ERO. Clairvoyant [mailto:eclairvoyant@videotron.ca] 
Sent: 10 ao?t 2003 17:53
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: Problem

 

Could you answer my question.
Thanks,

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ?ric ERO. Clairvoyant [mailto:eclairvoyant@valro.qc.ca] 
Sent: 7 ao?t 2003 08:08
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: Problem

 

Un avertissement concernant la confidentialit? suit ce message.

A warning concerning confidentiality follows this message. 

 

I follow all the information when I try to put a message in the spam the
SpamBayes said:

 

You must enable SpamBayes beore you can delete as spam.

 

I have the latest version downloaded this morning and I have Microsoft
Outlook XP

 

Waste of time since 1 hours just to try to make it running
.

 

Regards,

 

 

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Consultant en s?curit?

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aviser imm?diatement l??metteur et d?truire ce message et les pi?ces
jointes.

 

WARNING REGARDING CONFIDENTIALITY

 

This e-mail, its contents and attachment (if necessary) are confidential
and are exclusively addressed to its principal recipient and to the other
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you are not the designated recipient, please inform immediately the
originator of the email and destroy it completely. 

 

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From Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov  Mon Aug 11 10:09:23 2003
From: Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov (Feingold Josh S)
Date: Mon Aug 11 09:09:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
Message-ID: <40BE5618BBFAD6119DAC0004ACE530C6869B28@chm0010mb01.atsc.irs.gov>

I am running SpamBayes in Outlook 2000, on Windows XP.  When I am trying to
train SpamBayes, I am finding that there is no option to select the emails
in my deleted items to be noted as "good."  The deleted folder simply does
not show on the choose email dialog box. Is there anything that I am doing
wrong, or is this by design.  Please respond to this email address.
 
Thanks!
Josh
From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 09:27:22 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 09:27:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes (pop3proxy) on Mandrake 9.1
In-Reply-To: <200308110458.21789.dustin@dustinsell.com>
References: <200308110458.21789.dustin@dustinsell.com>
Message-ID: <16183.39354.479384.860194@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Dustin> Do you have an idea as to why this is happening?  I have Python
    Dustin> 2.2.2 installed (the default Mandrake 9.1 installation).

    ...
    Dustin>     raise Error("could not locate runnable browser")
    Dustin> webbrowser.Error: could not locate runnable browser

Try setting the BROWSER environment variable to a web browser installed on
your system, though I'm kind of surprised it couldn't find anything.  The
default list of browsers is

    ["mozilla","netscape","kfm","grail","links","lynx","w3m"]

For more details, check out the webbrowser docs:

    http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/lib/module-webbrowser.html

If the browser you give in the BROWSER environment variable is unknown, you
should register it (explained in the docs), most likely in your
installation's sitecustomize.py file.  Details of site customization are in
the docs for the site module:

    http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/lib/module-site.html

Skip

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Mon Aug 11 14:32:35 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Mon Aug 11 09:32:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problems with spambayes
Message-ID: <1060608638.1522.9.camel@rebirth>

Hi,

I've just installed spambayes, but need your help with a couple of
issues.

My environment:
* debian sid
* Python 2.2.3
* Python email 2.5.3
* my pop and smtp servers are on the server/gateway box of my LAN

SpamBayes Version:
* 1.0a4

Problems:
1) SMTP proxy hangs when I try to send mail
2) Inbound messages are getting passed through, but are only
intermittently appearing on the 'review' page on the SpamBayes web
interface
3) Inbound messages contain the header:
   X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.AssertionError()
     in probability() at
        spambayes/classifier.py line 310: assert spamcount <= nspam
4) When setting 'Add unique spambayes id' to both 'header' and 'body'
(via the web interface), the 'save' button triggers the exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 402, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 502, in onChangeopts
    errmsg = self.verifyInput(parms)

  File "spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 490, in verifyInput
    errmsg = UserInterface.UserInterface.verifyInput(self, parms)

  File "spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 562, in verifyInput
    parms[name[:-2]].append(value)

AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'append'

Can you help with any of this?

-- 
Kind regards
David

--

leave this line intact so your email gets through my junk mail filter



From aadmin at palagroup.com  Mon Aug 11 11:02:04 2003
From: aadmin at palagroup.com (aadmin@palagroup.com)
Date: Mon Aug 11 11:04:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] troubleshooting
Message-ID: <OF47300C7B.18E11D01-ON05256D7F.00525B98@PALAGROUP.COM>

Will this version (0.6) work if we are using outlook connector 2002 to
connect to a domino server?  I'm having some problems, and I want to
start by asking this question before I trouble shoot anymore.  I cannot
get it to train the current emails I put in spam.  When I click on an
email and click the delete to spam button it tells me no item selected.

 

Daniel Heintze

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 11:26:53 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 11:27:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] troubleshooting
In-Reply-To: <OF47300C7B.18E11D01-ON05256D7F.00525B98@PALAGROUP.COM>
References: <OF47300C7B.18E11D01-ON05256D7F.00525B98@PALAGROUP.COM>
Message-ID: <16183.46525.557566.603141@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Daniel> Will this version (0.6) work if we are using outlook connector
    Daniel> 2002 to connect to a domino server?  I'm having some problems,
    Daniel> and I want to start by asking this question before I trouble
    Daniel> shoot anymore.  I cannot get it to train the current emails I
    Daniel> put in spam.  When I click on an email and click the delete to
    Daniel> spam button it tells me no item selected.

Before you go too far down this road, let me ask one question and make a few
observations:

    Q1. Have you tried this out in a more vanilla setup to make sure you're
        comfortable with the details of training and enabling filtering?

    O1. 0.7 is latest binary release.

    O2. I don't think anyone has tried this combination yet.  I assume
    Outlook Connector is the POP or IMAP server for the Outlook client in
    your setup.

    O3. If you are forging new ground, you'll probably be better off using
    the CVS sources.  You'll be able to provide more detailed feedback to
    Mark and other people who work on the Outlook plugin.

Skip

From erik.dufek at med.ge.com  Mon Aug 11 11:25:35 2003
From: erik.dufek at med.ge.com (Dufek, Erik (MED))
Date: Mon Aug 11 11:27:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
Message-ID: <859389F50D4ED411B13200508B94CD7615EE18C5@uswaumsx10medge.med.ge.com>

Make sure that every move rule ends with "stop processing more rules."
If you don't add that, any following rules will also process the email.
I'm almost certain that you have a couple of move rules which don't
contain that selection.

You don't want to add "stop processing more rules" to some which don't
perform the move function, but for the most part, it needs to be there
for your Outlook rules to function as expected.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David LeBlanc [mailto:whisper@oz.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook 
> Rules Wizard ?
> 
> Is there any way to guarantee that spammy runs before any 
> rules? All my
> rules are move rules, but I still get strange things like 
> duplicates in the
> destination folder, junk mail and "spam maybe" all at the 
> same time! Of
> course, I get duplicates of valid mail in both the 
> destination folder and
> junk mail folder and have done so since before I ever 
> installed spammy. (If
> anyone knows why that happens, I would really like to know - 
> I have one
> mailing list (tcl-httpd) where every single email ends up 
> both in the ml
> folder _and_ the junk mail folder!)
 

From dustin at dustinsell.com  Mon Aug 11 08:47:46 2003
From: dustin at dustinsell.com (Dustin Sell)
Date: Mon Aug 11 11:45:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes (pop3proxy) on Mandrake 9.1
In-Reply-To: <16183.39354.479384.860194@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <200308110458.21789.dustin@dustinsell.com>
	<16183.39354.479384.860194@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200308110747.46297.dustin@dustinsell.com>

Hey Skip, thanks for the reply.   I got this fixed and wanted to send out an 
email to hopefully help others that might run into this.

On the default install of Mandrake 9.1, the BROWSER environment variable value 
is "kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing".  Adding mozilla to the env did the 
trick.

Again, thanks for the reply.
Dustin



On Monday 11 August 2003 09:27 am, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Dustin> Do you have an idea as to why this is happening?  I have Python
>     Dustin> 2.2.2 installed (the default Mandrake 9.1 installation).
>
>     ...
>     Dustin>     raise Error("could not locate runnable browser")
>     Dustin> webbrowser.Error: could not locate runnable browser
>
> Try setting the BROWSER environment variable to a web browser installed on
> your system, though I'm kind of surprised it couldn't find anything.  The
> default list of browsers is
>
>     ["mozilla","netscape","kfm","grail","links","lynx","w3m"]
>
> For more details, check out the webbrowser docs:
>
>     http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/lib/module-webbrowser.html
>
> If the browser you give in the BROWSER environment variable is unknown, you
> should register it (explained in the docs), most likely in your
> installation's sitecustomize.py file.  Details of site customization are in
> the docs for the site module:
>
>     http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/lib/module-site.html
>
> Skip


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 12:47:56 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 11:49:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F5@SPIKE.city>

Maybe it isn't feasible, but I'd think the ideal solution would be to make Spambayes filtering *be* an Outlook rule (like the "Junk E-Mail" rule). Then you could use the Rules Wizard to apply it first, last, or somewhere in between.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:21 PM
> To: David LeBlanc; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook 
> Rules Wizard ?
> 
> 
> > Too bad. Maybe a proxy agent between Outbloat and the mail 
> > server is the answer.
> 
> If you are using POP3/IMAP rather than Exchange/hotmail, then you can,
> of course, use pop3proxy/imapfilter with Outlook.  You lose the toolbar
> stuff & the drag'n'drop training (at the moment), but you get the nice
> web interface.  This does guarantee that classification is done before
> any of Outlook's rules are run (and the you can insert your own rules
> based on the spambayes headers wherever you like in the Outlook rule
> chain).
> 
> =Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Aug 11 12:58:14 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Aug 11 11:58:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Slashdotted
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGELKGJAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

Barry W pointed out that spambayes was "the winner" in this comparative
review linked to from slashdot.org today (under the "Comparison of Bayesian
POP3 Spam Filters" headline on Slashdot's front page):

    http://home.dataparty.no/kristian/reviews/bayesian/

Yawn <wink>.


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 12:04:30 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:04:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Slashdotted
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGELKGJAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGELKGJAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16183.48782.267489.993991@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> Barry W pointed out that spambayes was "the winner" in this
    Tim> comparative review linked to from slashdot.org today (under the
    Tim> "Comparison of Bayesian POP3 Spam Filters" headline on Slashdot's
    Tim> front page):

    Tim>     http://home.dataparty.no/kristian/reviews/bayesian/

    Tim> Yawn <wink>.

I see that it mentions "even grandma can use it".  I don't suppose your
sisters are grandmas yet, are they?  Perhaps the author was referring to
them. ;-)

Skip

From ted.schwind at intelsat.com  Mon Aug 11 13:02:57 2003
From: ted.schwind at intelsat.com (ted.schwind@intelsat.com)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:04:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug? Filter rules window does not show all Outlook
	folders 
Message-ID: <072660E32485D5118CC100306E0043340676DC61@naex2.adm.intelsat.int>

>From the Filter Rules window none of the browse buttons show all of the
Outlook folders. Outbox, Sent items and Deleted items are missing.

 

Spambayes v0.7

Windows XP

Outlook 2002


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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 13:05:39 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:05:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F6@SPIKE.city>

Well, er, the 007 release notes do say that you don't have to uninstall previous versions.

But I've had problems upgrading from version 003 to *any* subsequent version (including 007), whether or not I uninstall. The filtering settings get lost, and the toolbar button labels don't get upgraded (e.g., from "Anti-spam" to "Spambayes"). I had that happen this morning, and it didn't even help to re-run the "regsvr32" command.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Holt [mailto:andy-spambayes@portmacc.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:34 AM
> To: Mark Hammond; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
> 
> 
> Sorry, wasted your time there.  I deleted the SpamBayes toolbar,
> and now all is well.  I think this was caused by me installing
> 007 without disabling or removing anything of the previous
> install.  (?)
> 
> cheers

From SBenson at cr.k12.ia.us  Mon Aug 11 12:11:02 2003
From: SBenson at cr.k12.ia.us (Benson Scott)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:11:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems
Message-ID: <FC3811617466774198D30F27895BBBC809ED24B4@Mail1.crcsd.abc>

We are using Windows 2000 server and desktop and have Office 2002.  Have
downloaded the  Spambayes Outlook addin .07.

During the loading I get an error as follows:
	c:\program files\spambayes outlook addin\sambayes_addin.dll
   	unable to register the dll/ocx: Dllregister server failed

I try retry and the install completes.

When I open Outlook I get the following error:  Error initializing the
spambayes addin

I re open Outlook but continue to get same error.

I loaded the addin as administrator of the box and changed permissions
on the dll files for full permission for everyone.

Here are the 3 most recent log files.

Spambayes1.log

Error connecting to Outlook!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 251, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 84, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes
addin\r\n\r\nPlease re-start Outlook and try again.'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 251, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 84, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding

Spambayes2.log

Error connecting to Outlook!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 251, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 84, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes
addin\r\n\r\nPlease re-start Outlook and try again.'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 251, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 84, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding
SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook
Addin terminating: 0 COM client and 1 COM servers exist.

Spambayes3.log

Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin 
Registration complete.

Any help would be appriciated

Scott Benson
Technology
Cedar Rapids Community School District
From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 13:28:43 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:28:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F7@SPIKE.city>

I'll point out that you lose no generality by including the two folders as Erik suggests. If you don't like their names or positions in the tree, you can move them. Outlook and Spambayes are smart enough to adjust all references accordingly (or so I've observed).

That said, I'd like to propose the names "Spam" and "Spambiguous" as the default folder names. Besides being sort of cute, the two names will appear in adjacent positions in the folder list. I guess "Junk E-mail" and "Junk Suspects" would too, come to think of it. Oh, well.....

Actually, I'm not sure it's a good idea to use "Junk E-mail" as one of the names. If you have both Spambayes and the Outlook Junk E-mail rule turned on, it won't be obvious which program consigned a message to the folder.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Sargent [mailto:esargent@americanconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:12 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
> 
> 
> Mark,
> I just started using the plug-in this week, so my memory is 
> pretty fresh.
> 
> I was also confused that it wasn't turned on at install.
> 
> I would suggest that you set a default of Monitoring to the 
> INBOX folder and turn it on by default.
> 
> I would also recommend that you automatically add a "Junk 
> E-mail" and "Junk Suspects" folder during install and use
> those as the default destination for flagged messages. If
> you get a copy of Outlook 2003 beta2 Technical Refresh,
> Microsoft automatically adds a "Junk E-Mail" folder. Even 
> better, they allow you to right-click the folder and delete
> spam directly from that folder. This would be a cool dovetail
> of features with 2003.
> 
> As for training, I wouldn't mind starting from zero, but it 
> does seem like you could start with a small database of popular
> and unique messages.
> 
> Thank you for your work on this - very cool. I was happy to 
> read about it and even happier that it seems to work!
> 
> Erik

From richard at hiltonian.com  Mon Aug 11 18:34:08 2003
From: richard at hiltonian.com (Richard Hilton [ Hiltonian Media ])
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:33:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
Message-ID: <200381117348.292610@richard>

Hi,

I've just got Spam Bayes up and running, and it seems to be pretty good! I would now like to get it running as a Windows Service. There is a file called pop3proxy_service.py, but when I run this, it says:

D:\SpamBayes\windows>pop3proxy_service.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\SpamBayes\windows\pop3proxy_service.
    import win32serviceutil, win32service
ImportError: No module named win32serviceutil

How do I get it running as a service?

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From diamond at skynet.ie  Mon Aug 11 18:40:04 2003
From: diamond at skynet.ie (Stephen Shirley)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:40:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] inconsistent cmds for unix installation
Message-ID: <20030811164004.GA17525@skynet.ie>

Hi,
	The installation instructions for unix @
	http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/unix.html use '.hammie.db'
	initially, but then use '.hammiedb' everywhere else. 

Cheers,
Steve
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From rgreen at trayerproducts.com  Mon Aug 11 13:46:46 2003
From: rgreen at trayerproducts.com (Rodney Green)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:45:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] subject not modified
Message-ID: <007d01c36028$2738ad50$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>

Hello,

I just setup spambayes. I want it to modify the subject of messages and add
the classification to the beginning of the subject. I set this up in the
configuration but no modification is happening. I do see the x header added
with the classification when I look at the headers. I'm using Outlook
Express and wish to have the subject modified so I can filter it using the
rules. Any idea of what might be wrong?

Thanks,
Rod


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 13:55:04 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:56:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F8@SPIKE.city>

The Windows 2000 Resource Kit includes the necessary software to make a program run as a service. I think you can buy it on a CD from Microsoft's Web site.

But services are messy, so you'd better be sure it's worth the trouble. I recently had to make a wireless network card driver run as a service. I managed to get it working, but it wasn't pretty.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Hilton [ Hiltonian Media ] 
> [mailto:richard@hiltonian.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just got Spam Bayes up and running, and it seems to be 
> pretty good! I would now like to get it running as a Windows 
> Service. There is a file called pop3proxy_service.py, but 
> when I run this, it says:
> 
> D:\SpamBayes\windows>pop3proxy_service.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "D:\SpamBayes\windows\pop3proxy_service.
>     import win32serviceutil, win32service
> ImportError: No module named win32serviceutil
> 
> How do I get it running as a service?
> 
> Many thanks,
> ?
> Richard Hilton

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 12:59:00 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:59:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] inconsistent cmds for unix installation
In-Reply-To: <20030811164004.GA17525@skynet.ie>
References: <20030811164004.GA17525@skynet.ie>
Message-ID: <16183.52052.825825.328173@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Steve>      The installation instructions for unix @
    Steve>      http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/unix.html use '.hammie.db'
    Steve>      initially, but then use '.hammiedb' everywhere else.

Thanks, fixed.

Skip

From rgreen at trayerproducts.com  Mon Aug 11 14:03:02 2003
From: rgreen at trayerproducts.com (Rodney Green)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:01:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F8@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <00c601c3602a$6d098820$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>

Richard,

You could try FireDaemon. It enables you to install "virtually any native
win32 application or script (including python scripts)" as a service. Here's
a link.

http://www.firedaemon.com/

Hope this helps,
Rod



> I've just got Spam Bayes up and running, and it seems to be
> pretty good! I would now like to get it running as a Windows
> Service. There is a file called pop3proxy_service.py, but
> when I run this, it says:
>
> D:\SpamBayes\windows>pop3proxy_service.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "D:\SpamBayes\windows\pop3proxy_service.
>     import win32serviceutil, win32service
> ImportError: No module named win32serviceutil
>
> How do I get it running as a service?



From jeicholtz at apluscomputers.com  Mon Aug 11 13:18:15 2003
From: jeicholtz at apluscomputers.com (Jason R. Eicholtz)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:13:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus scanners
Message-ID: <958E788C4C8AE649BEB6583377B6A2B102591A@w2kexserv.apluscomputers.com>

Hello,

I looked through your FAQ and I didn't see something that I thought should be there, and something I am definitely curious about:

Does SpamBayes interfere with virus scanners on Windows, like Norton or McAfee. I'm not sure how Norton catches them now, or even if they changed, but they used to setup their own proxy server on the local machine for receiving email. And I was wondering if this would interfere with SpamBayes's Proxy.

Thanks alot and keep up the great work,
Jason

From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Mon Aug 11 11:36:48 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:36:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus scanners
References: <958E788C4C8AE649BEB6583377B6A2B102591A@w2kexserv.apluscomputers.com>
Message-ID: <3F37D430.DDDF2C9F@whidbey.com>

SpamBayes makes no change to the body of the e-mail, only the headers and the location of the bits. Virus scanners look entirely at the body of the message. There is no conflict. SpamBayes doesn't change the path that a message travels, so all messages will continue to go through the AV scanner you
already have installed, either before or after SpamBayes.

Van

"Jason R. Eicholtz" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I looked through your FAQ and I didn't see something that I thought should be there, and something I am definitely curious about:
>
> Does SpamBayes interfere with virus scanners on Windows, like Norton or McAfee. I'm not sure how Norton catches them now, or even if they changed, but they used to setup their own proxy server on the local machine for receiving email. And I was wondering if this would interfere with SpamBayes's Proxy.
>
> Thanks alot and keep up the great work,
> Jason
>
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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 14:38:10 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:38:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F5@SPIKE.city>

Maybe it isn't feasible, but I'd think the ideal solution would be to make Spambayes filtering *be* an Outlook rule (like the "Junk E-Mail" rule). Then you could use the Rules Wizard to apply it first, last, or somewhere in between.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:21 PM
> To: David LeBlanc; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook 
> Rules Wizard ?
> 
> 
> > Too bad. Maybe a proxy agent between Outbloat and the mail 
> > server is the answer.
> 
> If you are using POP3/IMAP rather than Exchange/hotmail, then you can,
> of course, use pop3proxy/imapfilter with Outlook.  You lose the toolbar
> stuff & the drag'n'drop training (at the moment), but you get the nice
> web interface.  This does guarantee that classification is done before
> any of Outlook's rules are run (and the you can insert your own rules
> based on the spambayes headers wherever you like in the Outlook rule
> chain).
> 
> =Tony Meyer

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 14:39:22 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:39:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F6@SPIKE.city>

Well, er, the 007 release notes do say that you don't have to uninstall previous versions.

But I've had problems upgrading from version 003 to *any* subsequent version (including 007), whether or not I uninstall. The filtering settings get lost, and the toolbar button labels don't get upgraded (e.g., from "Anti-spam" to "Spambayes"). I had that happen this morning, and it didn't even help to re-run the "regsvr32" command.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Holt [mailto:andy-spambayes@portmacc.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:34 AM
> To: Mark Hammond; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Cannot get the add in to 'register'
> 
> 
> Sorry, wasted your time there.  I deleted the SpamBayes toolbar,
> and now all is well.  I think this was caused by me installing
> 007 without disabling or removing anything of the previous
> install.  (?)
> 
> cheers

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 14:39:27 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:39:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F8@SPIKE.city>

The Windows 2000 Resource Kit includes the necessary software to make a program run as a service. I think you can buy it on a CD from Microsoft's Web site.

But services are messy, so you'd better be sure it's worth the trouble. I recently had to make a wireless network card driver run as a service. I managed to get it working, but it wasn't pretty.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Hilton [ Hiltonian Media ] 
> [mailto:richard@hiltonian.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just got Spam Bayes up and running, and it seems to be 
> pretty good! I would now like to get it running as a Windows 
> Service. There is a file called pop3proxy_service.py, but 
> when I run this, it says:
> 
> D:\SpamBayes\windows>pop3proxy_service.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "D:\SpamBayes\windows\pop3proxy_service.
>     import win32serviceutil, win32service
> ImportError: No module named win32serviceutil
> 
> How do I get it running as a service?
> 
> Many thanks,
> ?
> Richard Hilton

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 14:39:31 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:39:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F7@SPIKE.city>

I'll point out that you lose no generality by including the two folders as Erik suggests. If you don't like their names or positions in the tree, you can move them. Outlook and Spambayes are smart enough to adjust all references accordingly (or so I've observed).

That said, I'd like to propose the names "Spam" and "Spambiguous" as the default folder names. Besides being sort of cute, the two names will appear in adjacent positions in the folder list. I guess "Junk E-mail" and "Junk Suspects" would too, come to think of it. Oh, well.....

Actually, I'm not sure it's a good idea to use "Junk E-mail" as one of the names. If you have both Spambayes and the Outlook Junk E-mail rule turned on, it won't be obvious which program consigned a message to the folder.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Sargent [mailto:esargent@americanconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:12 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
> 
> 
> Mark,
> I just started using the plug-in this week, so my memory is 
> pretty fresh.
> 
> I was also confused that it wasn't turned on at install.
> 
> I would suggest that you set a default of Monitoring to the 
> INBOX folder and turn it on by default.
> 
> I would also recommend that you automatically add a "Junk 
> E-mail" and "Junk Suspects" folder during install and use
> those as the default destination for flagged messages. If
> you get a copy of Outlook 2003 beta2 Technical Refresh,
> Microsoft automatically adds a "Junk E-Mail" folder. Even 
> better, they allow you to right-click the folder and delete
> spam directly from that folder. This would be a cool dovetail
> of features with 2003.
> 
> As for training, I wouldn't mind starting from zero, but it 
> does seem like you could start with a small database of popular
> and unique messages.
> 
> Thank you for your work on this - very cool. I was happy to 
> read about it and even happier that it seems to work!
> 
> Erik

From rpoyner at facstaff.wisc.edu  Mon Aug 11 12:33:25 2003
From: rpoyner at facstaff.wisc.edu (Russell Poyner)
Date: Mon Aug 11 13:48:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
Message-ID: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>

I have a Redhat 7.3 system with python2.2 installed (along side redhat's 
python 1.5).  The email package (2.5) installed without error with:

 python2.2 setup.py install

The spambayes package also installs without error.  However when I try to run 
the pop filter with:

 python2.2 pop3proxy.py wiscmail.wisc.edu 995

I get the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 94, in ?
    from email.Header import Header
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/Header.py", line 11, in ?
    import email.base64MIME
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/base64MIME.py", line 31, in ?
    from email._compat22 import _floordiv
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/_compat22.py", line 41, in ?
    def body_line_iterator(msg, decode=False):
NameError: name 'False' is not defined


Thanks in advance.

Russell Poyner

From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Mon Aug 11 15:01:12 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:01:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
In-Reply-To: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>
References: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <20030811180112.GB21529@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:33:25AM -0400, Russell Poyner wrote:
| I have a Redhat 7.3 system with python2.2 installed (along side redhat's 
| python 1.5).  The email package (2.5) installed without error with:

|   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/_compat22.py", line 41, in ?
|     def body_line_iterator(msg, decode=False):
| NameError: name 'False' is not defined

Apparently that module requirs python 2.3.

Assuming this is the only problem, in your site.py file put the
following :

----
import __builtin__
__builtin__.True  = (1==1)
__builtin__.False = (0==1)
----

If that version of the email package requires more features of python
2.3 than just the definition of True and False, then this workaround
is insufficient.

-D

-- 
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but he who respects a command is rewarded.
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From roger.anderson at netapp.com  Mon Aug 11 12:00:42 2003
From: roger.anderson at netapp.com (Anderson, Roger)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:01:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Clicking on Spambayes Manager does nothing
Message-ID: <379483E6AAC5294E818EB1D012B8B8690162C86C@svlexc05.corp.netapp.com>

SpamBayes Outlook Addin (beta), version 0.4 (July 2003) starting (with
engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))...
On Windows version 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
 
 
I have been using Spambayes for a month or so and have really enjoyed
it.
 
Last week I was traveling and only had access to a 21K modem line.  I
had a large number of emails to process.  Outlook appeared to hang.
When I rebooted it mentioned a problem w/ Spambayes(don't remember what
it said).  I disabled Spambayes.  
 
I can not get it to start again.  It is not running after I start
Outlook and now when I select Spambayes Manager from the tool bar,
nothing happens.
 
Appreciate any advice anyone might have.
 
I am attaching the log file that I believe is the one before I started
having problems.
 
-Roger
 
 
 
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From Stuart at tessco.com  Mon Aug 11 15:05:41 2003
From: Stuart at tessco.com (Stuart, Bill)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:06:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
Message-ID: <1FD2979B57654E4CAB54AE001EDFED270449645B@xmail01.tessco.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coe, Bob [mailto:rcoe@CambridgeMA.GOV]
[...]
> That said, I'd like to propose the names "Spam" and 
> "Spambiguous" as the default folder names. [...]

Seconded. ;-)

> Actually, I'm not sure it's a good idea to use "Junk E-mail" 
> as one of the names. If you have both Spambayes and the 
> Outlook Junk E-mail rule turned on, it won't be obvious which 
> program consigned a message to the folder.
> Bob

I suggest turning off the Outlook Junk E-mail rule, as it's redundant and
could increase the length of time it takes to train SpamBayes if Outlook
intercepts the spam first.  Might be a good idea to add that to the
instructions or FAQ.

Of course, you can easily tell whether SpamBayes or Outlook moved it by
adding the spam score column to the message list.  No spam score, something
other than SpamBayes put it there.

 - Bill
   stuart@tessco.com

"There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result."
 - Winston Churchill

From andrew.r.cress at intel.com  Mon Aug 11 15:06:24 2003
From: andrew.r.cress at intel.com (Cress, Andrew R)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:06:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] add-in won't register after WinXP  install
Message-ID: <E5DA6395B8F9614EB7A784D628184B200D9999@hdsmsx402.hd.intel.com>


I installed:
Python-2.3.exe
SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe
on my workstation with WinXP SP1 and Outlook 2002 SP-2.  McAfee Virus
scan was disabled.  
The add-in didn't show up under COM Addins.
The log is there, but empty (zero size).

So, I ran "regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll" from the install dir and I get
the following
error dialog:
  DllRegisterServer in spambayes_addin.dll failed.
  Return code was: 0xc0000005
How can I fix this?

I looked in the archives and saw a similar issue (except return code was
=0), but killing off processes didn't seem to solve it for me.  One note
is that I tried to, but couldn't kill MCSHIELD.EXE, but McAfee is
otherwise gone.

Pls CC me, as I'm not a regular list subscriber.

Thanks,
Andy Cress              

From andrew.r.cress at intel.com  Mon Aug 11 15:13:49 2003
From: andrew.r.cress at intel.com (Cress, Andrew R)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:13:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: add-in won't register after WinXP  install - FIXED
Message-ID: <E5DA6395B8F9614EB7A784D628184B200D999A@hdsmsx402.hd.intel.com>

Oops!  My problem was that the win32all extensions were not installed.
Once I installed those, it registered fine.

Thanks anyway,
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Cress, Andrew R 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:06 PM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Cc: Cress, Andrew R
Subject: add-in won't register after WinXP install



I installed:
Python-2.3.exe
SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe
on my workstation with WinXP SP1 and Outlook 2002 SP-2.  McAfee Virus
scan was disabled.  
The add-in didn't show up under COM Addins.
The log is there, but empty (zero size).

So, I ran "regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll" from the install dir and I get
the following
error dialog:
  DllRegisterServer in spambayes_addin.dll failed.
  Return code was: 0xc0000005
How can I fix this?

I looked in the archives and saw a similar issue (except return code was
=0), but killing off processes didn't seem to solve it for me.  One note
is that I tried to, but couldn't kill MCSHIELD.EXE, but McAfee is
otherwise gone.

Pls CC me, as I'm not a regular list subscriber.

Thanks,
Andy Cress              

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 14:17:52 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:18:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
In-Reply-To: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>
References: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <16183.56784.763998.529349@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Russell> I have a Redhat 7.3 system with python2.2 installed (along side
    Russell> redhat's python 1.5).  The email package (2.5) installed
    Russell> without error with:

    Russell>  python2.2 setup.py install

    Russell> The spambayes package also installs without error.  However
    Russell> when I try to run the pop filter with:

    Russell>  python2.2 pop3proxy.py wiscmail.wisc.edu 995

    Russell> I get the following error:
    ...
    Russell> NameError: name 'False' is not defined

I think you need to upgrade to 2.2.3.  I believe True and False where added
in 2.2.2 as a way to ease dual development against both 2.2 and 2.3.

Skip

From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Mon Aug 11 15:23:05 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:23:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
In-Reply-To: <16183.56784.763998.529349@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>
	<16183.56784.763998.529349@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20030811182305.GA22940@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 01:17:52PM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:

| I believe True and False where added in 2.2.2 as a way to ease dual
| development against both 2.2 and 2.3.

Oh, sweet!  I wasn't aware of that.

To stay on-topic, though, ;-), can/should the setup.py script report
an error if the python version the package is installed on isn't a
supported platform?  (concretely, could the email package report that
it requires python >= 2.2.3?)

-D

-- 
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have to ask, "Whose business? Theirs, or yours?"     --Tim O'Reilly
 
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From john.ridley at newsguy.com  Mon Aug 11 15:26:25 2003
From: john.ridley at newsguy.com (John Ridley)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:25:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug
Message-ID: <3F37DFD1.8080809@newsguy.com>

Got this from SpamBayes, just downloaded and installed the latest from 
the site today and installed for the first time.

X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError('ascii' codec can't
         decode byte 0xf1 in position 62: ordinal not in range(128))
         in append() at C:\Python23\lib\email\Header.py line 272: ustr
         = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
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From rgreen at trayerproducts.com  Mon Aug 11 15:36:22 2003
From: rgreen at trayerproducts.com (Rodney Green)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:39:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] subject not modified
Message-ID: <01c901c36037$76cdea60$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>

Does anyone have any idea why the subject isn't modified? See the message
below.

Thanks,
Rod

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rodney Green" <rgreen@trayerproducts.com>
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: [Spambayes] subject not modified


> Hello,
>
> I just setup spambayes. I want it to modify the subject of messages and
add
> the classification to the beginning of the subject. I set this up in the
> configuration but no modification is happening. I do see the x header
added
> with the classification when I look at the headers. I'm using Outlook
> Express and wish to have the subject modified so I can filter it using the
> rules. Any idea of what might be wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Rod
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 14:42:27 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:42:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
In-Reply-To: <20030811182305.GA22940@dman13.dyndns.org>
References: <200308111133.25911.rpoyner@facstaff.wisc.edu>
	<16183.56784.763998.529349@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20030811182305.GA22940@dman13.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <16183.58259.825692.671202@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Derrick> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 01:17:52PM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
    Derrick> | I believe True and False where added in 2.2.2 as a way to
    Derrick> ease dual | development against both 2.2 and 2.3.

    Derrick> Oh, sweet!  I wasn't aware of that.

    Derrick> To stay on-topic, though, ;-), can/should the setup.py script
    Derrick> report an error if the python version the package is installed
    Derrick> on isn't a supported platform?  (concretely, could the email
    Derrick> package report that it requires python >= 2.2.3?)

Setup.py checks the following constraints:

    * Python >= 2.2
    * email package >= 2.4.3

I believe I misspoke slightly about the earliest version containing True and
False.  It appears the CVS change which added integer versions of True and
False to Python/bltinmodule.c occurred about a week before the release of
2.2.1.  The minimum version required for SpamBayes at least w.r.t.
True/False availability is thus 2.2.1.  I verified that they are available
in 2.2.1 on creosote.  I don't have ready access to 2.2.  The website says
2.2 is the minimum and setup.py requires 2.2 or greater.  I'm sure this
topic has come up before.  Should 2.2.1 be required as a minimum?  I'll
gladly make the necessary changes.

Skip


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 15:48:01 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:48:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages getting returned to Outbox
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F9@SPIKE.city>

Earlier today I sent four messages to this mailing list, then later found them back in my outbox with the indication that they hadn't been sent. So I mistakenly sent them again. This was probably due to some absent-minded error on my part, and I have no reason to associate it with Spambayes. However, this never happened to me before, and I had *just* installed V 007 on that computer. None of the rest of you have seen anything like that, have you?

Bob

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 14:51:51 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:52:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug
In-Reply-To: <3F37DFD1.8080809@newsguy.com>
References: <3F37DFD1.8080809@newsguy.com>
Message-ID: <16183.58823.134841.786455@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    John> Got this from SpamBayes, just downloaded and installed the latest
    John> from the site today and installed for the first time.

This has been seen more and more recently.  I think we could "correct"
messages which have raw 8-bit text in their headers before feeding them to
the email package.  Thus this particular message's Subject: header would get
converted from

    Cvnf stability money-maker w!hen life seem5 to expensive, you ?eed to get ah?ad

to (I think):

    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cvnf stability money-maker w!hen life seem5 to expensive, you =F1eed to g=
    et ah=EAad=

You'd obviously have to make an educated guess about the actual encoding.  I
have a function that does a pretty good job.  The list of encodings to try
could be an option with a default oriented toward ISO-8859-* and its various
Windows variants.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 14:54:07 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 14:54:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] subject not modified
In-Reply-To: <01c901c36037$76cdea60$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>
References: <01c901c36037$76cdea60$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>
Message-ID: <16183.58959.95941.141864@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Rod> Does anyone have any idea why the subject isn't modified? See the
    Rod> message below.

As you noticed, by default, the subject isn't touched.  I believe you can
add

    notate_subject: True

to your options file to force this behavior.

Skip

From rgreen at trayerproducts.com  Mon Aug 11 16:24:07 2003
From: rgreen at trayerproducts.com (Rodney Green)
Date: Mon Aug 11 15:23:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] subject not modified
References: <01c901c36037$76cdea60$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>
	<16183.58959.95941.141864@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <028b01c3603e$2540abe0$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>

Back to POPFile I go.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Montanaro" <skip@pobox.com>
To: "Rodney Green" <rgreen@trayerproducts.com>
Cc: <spambayes@python.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] subject not modified


>
>     Rod> Does anyone have any idea why the subject isn't modified? See the
>     Rod> message below.
>
> As you noticed, by default, the subject isn't touched.  I believe you can
> add
>
>     notate_subject: True
>
> to your options file to force this behavior.
>
> Skip
>


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 15:42:20 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 15:42:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] subject not modified
In-Reply-To: <028b01c3603e$2540abe0$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>
References: <01c901c36037$76cdea60$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>
	<16183.58959.95941.141864@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<028b01c3603e$2540abe0$256fa8c0@ACERP240001>
Message-ID: <16183.61852.599145.634624@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Rod> Back to POPFile I go.

Can you elaborate?  I find it hard to believe that simply because you have
to modify a single option you're going to give up on SpamBayes.  There are
over 100 different options available.  It would be unreasonable to expect
the default settings to be correct for all environments.  As a developer I
have some (small amount of) sway in such matters, and I still set a handful
of options to non-default values.

Although Outlook Express is by no means an unpopular email client, it is
quite limited in many respects.  Most other mail programs have the ability
to filter mail based on the contents of arbitrary headers.  Most people
dislike having their Subject: headers cluttered unnecessarily.  Having to
scribble in standard headers also opens up potential holes for spammers.  If
they can fudge the Subject: header they might be able to sneak their junk
past your mail filters.  By using private headers, SpamBayes can simply
delete them on all incoming email, then write its own versions, so you know
that what you see was generated locally.

Skip

From harnold at binghamton.edu  Mon Aug 11 16:42:18 2003
From: harnold at binghamton.edu (Arnold, Jamie)
Date: Mon Aug 11 15:42:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] BUG
Message-ID: <272A46E1DBE1D44DAB68ED37711BBCBD0A3B07@BUX2K.bgm.bu.int>

Running Office 2003 BETA (latest patch)

Outlook connecting to Exchange 2000 server
Also running ActiveSync 3.7

 <<spambayes1.log>> 

Closing Outlook causes Outlook to forget all it's filtering rules
including which folders to move mail to.
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From kbg at kadnet.dk  Mon Aug 11 22:52:12 2003
From: kbg at kadnet.dk (kasper b. graversen)
Date: Mon Aug 11 15:55:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] whitelist
Message-ID: <200308112152120628.00B40ED5@lisbeth.kadnet.dom>

hello there.. I just read a review of your product. it sounds great. but... when are you going to implement whitelist's in the program? this is my only
objection to using it. Such a feature should be a matter of a few hours of work, max ;)

\kasper
please help save our planet! At least click daily on
http://rainforest.care2.com/  and   http://www.therainforestsite.com/
and tell your friends to do the same...


From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Mon Aug 11 17:01:33 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Mon Aug 11 16:01:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Have you guys considered...
In-Reply-To: <16180.1938.576433.516472@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20030808185226.GA17356@dman13.dyndns.org>
	<16180.1938.576433.516472@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20030811200133.GA24269@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:26:58PM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
| On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:52:26PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
| | On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:12:31AM -0700, Reale, Tom wrote:
| | | You have built a product that could autofile e-mail into all kinds
| | | of private categories for the user.
|
| | This is a separate issue entirely.  Spambayes is designed to
| | identify spam, but it doesn't do anything with it.  Sorting mail
| | into separate folders is best done with the proper LDA, such as
| | procmail, maildrop, sieve, or (depending on your mail reader)
| | filter rules in the mail reader itself.  I'd rather see spambayes'
| | kept as simple as possible by focusing on a single problem/task.

| It's really the same problem, just an n-way classification instead of a
| 2-way classification.  I use procmail to sort my mail into folders.  My
| procmailrc file looks like this:

I am not opposed to a delivery agent incorporating spambayes (or other
classifiers) in-process, but I think the spambayes project (and code)
should focus only on identifying spam and not on replacing procmail.

| While not nearly as annoying as spam, it's still a mild bother that if
| someone bcc's a message to the foo list, procmail will file it in my mbox
| instead of my foo mailbox.

Testing the List-* headers solves this problem.

| Tools like ifile and CRM114 can classify mail into N bins instead of just
| two.

I'm not familiar with these tools.

-D

-- 
Dishonest money dwindles away,
but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.
        Proverbs 13:11
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Mon Aug 11 17:06:44 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Mon Aug 11 16:06:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] whitelist
In-Reply-To: <200308112152120628.00B40ED5@lisbeth.kadnet.dom>
Message-ID: <20030811200652.1904413E234@sack.dreamhost.com>

From:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelisting-bla
cklisting-to-spambayes

6.6   Why don't you add whitelisting/blacklisting to SpamBayes?
The main reason is that for the most part SpamBayes doesn't need it! As long
as you keep training on unsure or mis-classified mail, SpamBayes will learn
what you consider good mail without needing any specific lists. In addition,
tokens are generated from email addresses, so an automatic 'whitelist' (of
sorts) is generated, as is a similar blacklist.

Whitelists and blacklists are problematic anyway, because 'spoofing'
(pretending you are someone else) is reasonably simple, and also very
common. So, more often than not, they'll lead to incorrect results. However,
there are some commercial products based on SpamBayes that offer
whitelisting - see the related page for more information.

Also, blacklisting is really a server side responsibility. SpamBayes is a
content filter - it looks at what is inside the "envelope". Blacklisting,
DNS based spam handling like rejecting mail without valid origin or from a
known spam source is really the job of the mail server. In an ideal
environment such mail will be rejected before it reaches you as it deals
with what's "written on" the "envelope".

Applying content based filtering on the server is complex, as everyone's
feeling about content differs - this is why it is a client end role that
tools like SpamBayes fill.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of kasper b. graversen
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:52 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] whitelist
> 
> hello there.. I just read a review of your product. it sounds great.
> but... when are you going to implement whitelist's in the program? this is
> my only
> objection to using it. Such a feature should be a matter of a few hours of
> work, max ;)
> 
> \kasper
> please help save our planet! At least click daily on
> http://rainforest.care2.com/  and   http://www.therainforestsite.com/
> and tell your friends to do the same...
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Mon Aug 11 17:07:12 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Mon Aug 11 16:07:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: whitelist
In-Reply-To: <200308112152120628.00B40ED5@lisbeth.kadnet.dom>
References: <200308112152120628.00B40ED5@lisbeth.kadnet.dom>
Message-ID: <20030811200712.GA24348@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:52:12PM +0200, kasper b. graversen wrote:
| hello there.. I just read a review of your product. it sounds great.
| but... when are you going to implement whitelist's in the program?

There is no need to.  First of all, spambayes doesn't actually do
anything to your email, so it can't possibly be lost.  If you want
"whitelisting" then it belongs in the sorting rules you have.  Simply
check the values you want to whitelist on _before_ checking spambayes'
classification of the message.  Besides, whitelisting can not be
guaranteed to work because (almost) anything you want to whitelist on
can be forged by spammers and worms.

-D

-- 
He who scorns instruction will pay for it,
but he who respects a command is rewarded.
        Proverbs 13:13
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 16:44:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 16:44:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Have you guys considered...
In-Reply-To: <20030811200133.GA24269@dman13.dyndns.org>
References: <20030808185226.GA17356@dman13.dyndns.org>
	<16180.1938.576433.516472@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20030811200133.GA24269@dman13.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <16184.21.234186.290076@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Skip> It's really the same problem, just an n-way classification instead
    Skip> of a 2-way classification.  I use procmail to sort my mail into
    Skip> folders.  My procmailrc file looks like this:

    dman> I am not opposed to a delivery agent incorporating spambayes (or
    dman> other classifiers) in-process, but I think the spambayes project
    dman> (and code) should focus only on identifying spam and not on
    dman> replacing procmail.

Agreed.  The poster asked, and I responded with one way the current
classifier might handle this.  You could encapsulate this into a separate
application which built upon the 

    Skip> While not nearly as annoying as spam, it's still a mild bother
    Skip> that if someone bcc's a message to the foo list, procmail will
    Skip> file it in my mbox instead of my foo mailbox.

    dman> Testing the List-* headers solves this problem.

Yes, that was perhaps a bad example.  Here's another.  I fiddle around with
an old Triumph sports car in my copious spare time and participate in a
number of mailing lists.  I also have a procmail rule that attempts to
divert Triumph-related mail into my "cars" mailbox:

    :0
    * ^Subject.*(british-cars|British Cars|Triumph|TR-?(250|4a|[2345678]))
    cars

This works most of the time, but if someone sends me an email with a subject
of "Spitfire parts for sale", it's almost certainly going to be
Triumph-related but won't be properly filed.  A more intelligent classifier
would probably pick up enough clues from the body of the message to properly
file the message.

    Skip> Tools like ifile and CRM114 can classify mail into N bins instead
    Skip> of just two.

    dman> I'm not familiar with these tools.

Googlers, start your engines...

Skip

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 11 18:04:11 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 11 17:04:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: whitelist
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0FA@SPIKE.city>

In one of the threads dealing with the interaction between Spambayes and Outlook filtering rules, I mentioned that it would be nice if Spambayes could simply be treated as one of the Outlook rules. This illustrates why I think that. Whatever you think of whitelisting in a Spambayes environment (and I'm pretty sure I agree that it's unnecessary), it becomes dead easy if you can apply the whitelist (via one or more Outlook rules) before Spambayes gets to look at any messages.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [mailto:dman@dman13.dyndns.org]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Re: whitelist
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:52:12PM +0200, kasper b. graversen wrote:
> | hello there.. I just read a review of your product. it sounds great.
> | but... when are you going to implement whitelist's in the program?
> 
> There is no need to.  First of all, spambayes doesn't actually do
> anything to your email, so it can't possibly be lost.  If you want
> "whitelisting" then it belongs in the sorting rules you have.  Simply
> check the values you want to whitelist on _before_ checking spambayes'
> classification of the message.  Besides, whitelisting can not be
> guaranteed to work because (almost) anything you want to whitelist on
> can be forged by spammers and worms.

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Mon Aug 11 18:11:01 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Mon Aug 11 17:11:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: whitelist
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0FA@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <20030811211114.0C13886269@plunder.dreamhost.com>

I don't think outlook exposes its rule engine through its com interface
(someone correct me if I'm wrong), which would make that difficult to do. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Coe, Bob
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Re: whitelist
> 
> In one of the threads dealing with the interaction between Spambayes and
> Outlook filtering rules, I mentioned that it would be nice if Spambayes
> could simply be treated as one of the Outlook rules. This illustrates why
> I think that. Whatever you think of whitelisting in a Spambayes
> environment (and I'm pretty sure I agree that it's unnecessary), it
> becomes dead easy if you can apply the whitelist (via one or more Outlook
> rules) before Spambayes gets to look at any messages.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [mailto:dman@dman13.dyndns.org]
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:07 PM
> > To: spambayes@python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Re: whitelist
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:52:12PM +0200, kasper b. graversen wrote:
> > | hello there.. I just read a review of your product. it sounds great.
> > | but... when are you going to implement whitelist's in the program?
> >
> > There is no need to.  First of all, spambayes doesn't actually do
> > anything to your email, so it can't possibly be lost.  If you want
> > "whitelisting" then it belongs in the sorting rules you have.  Simply
> > check the values you want to whitelist on _before_ checking spambayes'
> > classification of the message.  Besides, whitelisting can not be
> > guaranteed to work because (almost) anything you want to whitelist on
> > can be forged by spammers and worms.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From otel at ce.chalmers.se  Tue Aug 12 00:32:54 2003
From: otel at ce.chalmers.se (Florian-Daniel Otel)
Date: Mon Aug 11 17:33:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Functionality as an __incoming__ SMTP filter ?
Message-ID: <16184.2950.384588.658239@solen.ce.chalmers.se>


[First of all, a bit of a disclaimer: I've read only superficially the
existing docs and I have no experience with other bayesian
filters. Thanks for your patience]


Hello all,

I have the following set-up: I normally read my mail from an NFS
mounted mbox which is dumped by an SMTP server I have no control
over (i.e. root access). As such I am after the following functionality: 

Is it possible to set up spambayes as an __incoming__ SMTP tunnel ? In
other words I would like to forward my mail from the inital SMTP
server to spambayes set up as a SMTP server on another machine where I
have root access, have it classify the mail there , and get the results
being dumped in sepparate mboxes on that machine.

Please Cc: me on the replies, I'm not on this list.

TIA,

Florian

P.S. I am using VM as a mail reader. Yes, I am aware that I can 
use it via POP3 and no, I don't want to do that.

From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Mon Aug 11 19:12:01 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Mon Aug 11 18:12:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Functionality as an __incoming__ SMTP filter ?
In-Reply-To: <16184.2950.384588.658239@solen.ce.chalmers.se>
References: <16184.2950.384588.658239@solen.ce.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <20030811221201.GA19536@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:32:54PM +0200, Florian-Daniel Otel wrote:
[...]
| Is it possible to set up spambayes as an __incoming__ SMTP tunnel ? In
| other words I would like to forward my mail from the inital SMTP
| server to spambayes set up as a SMTP server on another machine where I
| have root access,
[...]

It looks like you are using exim 3 as the SMTP server.  In that case,
take a look at
    http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/config_docs/exim3_spamassassin.html

Although the doc is geared towards spamassassin, the principle is the
same.  Just substitute the proper hammiefilter invocation for the
spamc invocation and ignore the spamd specific instructions.

-D

-- 
"Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From hscheidler at quark.com  Mon Aug 11 17:14:36 2003
From: hscheidler at quark.com (Hannes Scheidler)
Date: Mon Aug 11 18:14:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training good messages has no effect
Message-ID: <23436D758E4CA54F8EDC2F7DE3B1A28B02C791E0@denver.quark.com>

Hi,

I am using the outlook plugin of SpamBayes and since I updated to 0.6 I have
a problem with some mailing lists. I keep training the emails as good, but
it classifies them as spam anyway.
Here is an extract from the logfile, the header and the part that repeats
itself for each email from that list. Any idea what I can do?

Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\hscheidler\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\hscheidler\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 150 spam and 13414 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin (beta), Binary version 0.6 (July 29, 2003) starting
(with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4)
using Python 2.3c1 (#44, Jul 21 2003, 09:21:38) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 17.4377ms
...
Message '=?ISO8859-15?Q?US-B?rsen schlie?en im Plus' had a Spam
classification of 'Yes'
Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham training message
'=?ISO8859-15?Q?US-B?rsen schlie?en im Plus' -  trained as ham
Training on message '=?ISO8859-15?Q?US-B?rsen schlie?en im Plus' -  already
was trained as good
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing
Current version is 0.6, latest is 0.6.

Hannes
From richie at entrian.com  Tue Aug 12 00:19:59 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 11 18:20:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug
In-Reply-To: <3F37DFD1.8080809@newsguy.com>
References: <3F37DFD1.8080809@newsguy.com>
Message-ID: <2m3gjvofdsev6mvtj8ordhfb1plvtcgt5m@4ax.com>

Hi John,

> Got this from SpamBayes, just downloaded and installed the latest from 
> the site today and installed for the first time.
> 
> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError('ascii' codec can't
>          decode byte 0xf1 in position 62: ordinal not in range(128))
>          in append() at C:\Python23\lib\email\Header.py line 272: ustr
>          = unicode(s, incodec, errors)

This is fixed in CVS.  You can apply the most important part of the fix by
changing this:

                    enc = Header(value, header_name=name, continuation_ws='\t')
                    header = "%s: %s" % (name, str(enc))

to this:

                    header = "%s: %s" % (name, value)

around line 475 of pop3proxy.py.  That will solve the problem, but will
also mean that the X-Spambayes-Evidence header is not line-wrapped.  That
could potentially cause problems for your email client (though that's
unlikely).  If it does, you need to change this:

            self[options['Headers','evidence_header_name']] = "; ".join(evd)

to this:

            # Line-wrap this header, because it can get very long.  We don't
            # use email.Header.Header because that can explode with unencoded
            # non-ASCII characters.  We can't use textwrap because that's 2.3.
            wrappedEvd = []
            headerName = options['Headers','evidence_header_name']
            lineLength = len(headerName) + len(': ')
            for component, index in zip(evd, range(len(evd))):
                wrappedEvd.append(component)
                lineLength += len(component)
                if index < len(evd)-1:
                    if lineLength + len('; ') + len(evd[index+1]) < 78:
                        wrappedEvd.append('; ')
                    else:
                        wrappedEvd.append(';\n\t')
                        lineLength = 8
            self[headerName] = "".join(wrappedEvd)

at around line 292 of spambayes/message.py.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From steve at HaHaHa.com.au  Tue Aug 12 10:59:32 2003
From: steve at HaHaHa.com.au (Steve Davis)
Date: Mon Aug 11 19:59:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
Message-ID: <000501c36064$9c5ea3f0$0100a8c0@office>

Excellent!
 
I have been using spampal which was pretty good but relied on
blacklists, then I switched to Baysian based Spam Assassin which, though
my test was brief, seemed good too, but it appears that SpamBayes is the
one !!!
 
You say you need help with documentation, apart from using REAL English
(colour etc) my writing is good and is generally light hearted but gets
the message across.  How can I help?  Would you like a bit of humour or
humor in the documentation?  
 
Thanks for the software.
 
All the best 
Steve Davis 

 <http://www.hahaha.com.au/> www.HaHaHa.com.au
 <mailto:steve@hahaha.com.au> steve@HaHaHa.com.au 

People without a sense of humour are at the mercy of the rest of us


########################################################################
############### 

This email is copyright, trade marked and written in a secret code that
is uncrackable by ASIO, the CIA or
anyone over 7 years of age.  

I am tired of dealing with virusii so I use virus scanning software
(PC-Cillin), a firewall (Zone Alarm) and a
condom (Ansell)  to protect me.  My computer has no protection at all.

If you have received the "Snow White" virus from hahaha@sexyfun.com and
want to complain to me at
hahaha.com.au, don't make yourself look silly by not knowing the
difference between a username and a 
domain name like dozens who precede you.

########################################################################
############### 

 
From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 11 20:18:52 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 11 20:18:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Functionality as an __incoming__ SMTP filter ?
In-Reply-To: <16184.2950.384588.658239@solen.ce.chalmers.se>
References: <16184.2950.384588.658239@solen.ce.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <16184.12908.386450.720624@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Florian> Is it possible to set up spambayes as an __incoming__ SMTP
    Florian> tunnel ? In other words I would like to forward my mail from
    Florian> the inital SMTP server to spambayes set up as a SMTP server on
    Florian> another machine where I have root access, have it classify the
    Florian> mail there , and get the results being dumped in sepparate
    Florian> mboxes on that machine.

I read my mail with VM.  I use fetchmail to grab mail from my mail server,
then pump the messages into procmail whose first task is to run SpamBayes
(hammiefilter, actually).  Procmail then does its sorting thing.

Skip

From ejohnson at imagewireless.ca  Mon Aug 11 19:24:09 2003
From: ejohnson at imagewireless.ca (Eric Johnson)
Date: Mon Aug 11 20:24:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin problem...
Message-ID: <NBBBLNLIKPPENPHJAJPKGEMGGHAA.ejohnson@imagewireless.ca>

I'm brand new to this list, so I hope that this question hasn't been done to
death...

The problem is that the SpamBayes button on the SpamBayes plugin has stopped
working. The other 2 buttons, depending on which folder you are in, are
still working fine.

How would I go about trying to figure out what the problem is and what to do
about it?

Eric Johnson
ejohnson@imagewireless.ca
Monday, August 11, 2003
6:23 PM CST (-0600)



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 12:39:22 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 21:39:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <000501c36064$9c5ea3f0$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <001c01c36072$8edd9390$f502a8c0@eden>


> You say you need help with documentation, apart from using
> REAL English
> (colour etc) my writing is good and is generally light
> hearted but gets
> the message across.  How can I help?

The best thing would be to submit patches to the documentation.  If you
think significant reorganization is warranted, it should probably be
discussed on spambayes-dev - but otherwise, you as a recent user is in a
much better position than us to know what needs work.

Indeed, it couldn't hurt for the documentation patches to be slightly ahead
of the product - eg, we have been discussing a simpler initial configuration
process.  Having this documented before we write the code would actually
help!  This would need more discussion tho - also on spambayes-dev.

> Would you like a bit of humour

Personally, I think I have enough <wink>

> or humor in the documentation?

subtly.  A problem with trying to add humour means it often comes across as
"trying too hard".  I think writing "naturally" works better, and depending
on the author, that often means some degree of humour.

Thanks for the offer - I hope you can help!

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 12:51:14 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 21:51:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training good messages has no effect
In-Reply-To: <23436D758E4CA54F8EDC2F7DE3B1A28B02C791E0@denver.quark.com>
Message-ID: <002301c36074$37808bf0$f502a8c0@eden>

> I am using the outlook plugin of SpamBayes and since I
> updated to 0.6 I have
> a problem with some mailing lists. I keep training the emails
> as good, but
> it classifies them as spam anyway.

I think SpamBayes is training OK.

> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\hscheidler\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 150 spam and 13414 good messages

This is a huge imbalance.  Most of our testing has been done with roughly
equal spam and ham.  Anecdotally, 4:1 ratios can work OK - but you have
nearly 100:1

I suggest you train with far fewer ham.  SpamBayes doens't help you do this
very well, so the simplest is to create a temporary folder, copy a couple
hundred ham into it, do a complete re-train and see how things go.

> Current version is 0.6, latest is 0.6.

Current is actually 0.7, but we keep managing to screw up the website where
this is stored.  "Check Latest Version" should start reporting 0.7 soon.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 12:57:33 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 21:57:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Clicking on Spambayes Manager does nothing
In-Reply-To: <379483E6AAC5294E818EB1D012B8B8690162C86C@svlexc05.corp.netapp.com>
Message-ID: <002901c36075$192e2300$f502a8c0@eden>

You are running quite an old version - please upgrade to the latest version
- http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes

Mark.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Anderson, Roger
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 August 2003 4:01 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Clicking on Spambayes Manager does nothing
> 
> 
> SpamBayes Outlook Addin (beta), version 0.4 (July 2003) starting (with
> engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))...
> On Windows version 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
>  
>  
> I have been using Spambayes for a month or so and have really enjoyed
> it.
>  
> Last week I was traveling and only had access to a 21K modem line.  I
> had a large number of emails to process.  Outlook appeared to hang.
> When I rebooted it mentioned a problem w/ Spambayes(don't 
> remember what
> it said).  I disabled Spambayes.  
>  
> I can not get it to start again.  It is not running after I start
> Outlook and now when I select Spambayes Manager from the tool bar,
> nothing happens.
>  
> Appreciate any advice anyone might have.
>  
> I am attaching the log file that I believe is the one before I started
> having problems.
>  
> -Roger
>  
>  
>  
> 
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 13:00:24 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 22:00:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes as a Windows Service
In-Reply-To: <200381117348.292610@richard>
Message-ID: <002d01c36075$7f0797b0$f502a8c0@eden>

> Hi,
>
> I've just got Spam Bayes up and running, and it seems to be
> pretty good! I would now like to get it running as a Windows
> Service. There is a file called pop3proxy_service.py, but
> when I run this, it says:
>
> D:\SpamBayes\windows>pop3proxy_service.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "D:\SpamBayes\windows\pop3proxy_service.
>     import win32serviceutil, win32service
> ImportError: No module named win32serviceutil
>
> How do I get it running as a service?

You could use one of the options in the other mails.  However, as you
already have Python install, all you need to is install win32all -
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond - and you get all the service
framework.

One day we hope for our installer to include binaries for pop3proxy, both as
a normal exe, and a service.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 13:02:33 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 11 22:02:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
In-Reply-To: <40BE5618BBFAD6119DAC0004ACE530C6869B28@chm0010mb01.atsc.irs.gov>
Message-ID: <003301c36075$cc4f8730$f502a8c0@eden>

> I am running SpamBayes in Outlook 2000, on Windows XP.  When
> I am trying to
> train SpamBayes, I am finding that there is no option to
> select the emails
> in my deleted items to be noted as "good."  The deleted
> folder simply does
> not show on the choose email dialog box. Is there anything
> that I am doing
> wrong, or is this by design.  Please respond to this email address.

This is by design.  The main reason is to prevent people selecting "Deleted
Item" as the Spam folder - this would wreak havoc with incremental training
in a number of ways.

Mark.


From steve at szmidt.org  Tue Aug 12 00:00:12 2003
From: steve at szmidt.org (Steve)
Date: Mon Aug 11 23:05:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fight Back
Message-ID: <200308112300.12399.steve@szmidt.org>

Hi,

I'm not sure that I'm getting to the proper developer(s) but here goes:

Reading what Paul says about this filter indeed makes it seem one of the 
very best solutions available. I've always been interested in being more 
proactive when dealing with spam or should I say spammers.

One of the interesting things I've found is to actually slow down their mail 
servers too. There's a interesting project based on dragging out the 
response times to near but not quite timeout values, which would make their 
servers come to a grind whenever they hit your mailserver.

Adding this as an option would also increase the viability of spamming if 
used by enough mail servers.

Unfortunately I've only written Hello World type "scripts" using Python, 
i.e. I'm no Python programmer. Nor does my income, currently, really allow 
me delving into learning it (single parent, leaving work to start new 
business etc). But I'd be very interested to see if you felt this would be 
something you might get into, resources allowing?

Thanks,
-- 

Steve
______________________________________
This sig is pending approval

From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Mon Aug 11 23:20:12 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Mon Aug 11 23:20:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fight Back
In-Reply-To: <200308112300.12399.steve@szmidt.org>
References: <200308112300.12399.steve@szmidt.org>
Message-ID: <oprtrvjymr34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:00:12 -0400, Steve <steve@szmidt.org> wrote:

> One of the interesting things I've found is to actually slow down their 
> mail servers too. There's a interesting project based on dragging out the 
> response times to near but not quite timeout values, which would make 
> their servers come to a grind whenever they hit your mailserver.

It's an interesting idea, but spambayes generally works on the client side 
of the equation.  Were we to build delays into spambayes, it would only 
serve to slow down your client's access of your own mailserver.  There are 
some who have wired spambayes into their mailservers, but presumably if 
they are saavy enough to pull that off, then they are saavy enough to build 
delays into their mail server's receiving circuitry.  That's my opinion, 
anyway...

-- 

Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself!
Tim Stone
www.fourstonesExpressions.com

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 00:31:26 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Aug 11 23:32:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <000501c36064$9c5ea3f0$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOELEFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Steve Davis]
> Excellent!
>
> I have been using spampal which was pretty good but relied on
> blacklists, then I switched to Baysian based Spam Assassin which,
> though my test was brief, seemed good too, but it appears that
> SpamBayes is the one !!!
>
> You say you need help with documentation, apart from using REAL
> English (colour etc) my writing is good and is generally light
> hearted but gets the message across.  How can I help?  Would you like
> a bit of humour or humor in the documentation?

We have no sense of humore here, so you can sneak in all the hahaha you like
and we'll never even notice!  I suppose that could be fun for you.

You should introduce yourself on the spambayes-dev mailing list, where
development is discussed.  God knows we've got more text in various places
than we can keep track of now -- web summaries, FAQ, various docs for
various apps, assorted text files in the distribution ... pick one you'd
like to improve, and tell spambayes-dev how you'd improve it.  Establish a
track record there of making changes people like, and before you know it
you'll have CVS commit privileges and will be working here full-time for
nothing!  Cool.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 00:40:54 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Aug 11 23:41:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training good messages has no effect
In-Reply-To: <23436D758E4CA54F8EDC2F7DE3B1A28B02C791E0@denver.quark.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMELFFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Hannes Scheidler, having troubles]

I strongly second Mark's suggestion that you try reducing your 100::1
ham::spam training-data ratio to something closer to 1::1.

Another thing you might want to try, based on the nature of your ham, is to
look for your spambayes .ini file and change this line:

replace_nonascii_chars: True

to:

replace_nonascii_chars: False


That isn't so important, though -- it probably won't help much.  If you keep
your 100::1 ratio and change the line:

experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment: True

to:

experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment: False

then I'm pretty sure you won't see these msgs classified as spam anymore --
but you may not see *any* messages classified as spam anymore then.  It's
really not known what will happen with such a large imbalance in training
set sizes (the code was never tested that way).


From esargent at americanconsulting.com  Mon Aug 11 21:45:32 2003
From: esargent at americanconsulting.com (Erik Sargent)
Date: Mon Aug 11 23:45:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes menu stops working.
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKHPBGLFPNHLPNJDCEOAJGAA.andy-spambayes@portmacc.net>
Message-ID: <E19mQ6Z-00045L-00@mail.python.org>

Thank you for the suggestion Andy. I hadn't tried it before and that gave me
the clue I needed.

I actually had to DELETE it from the customize dialog, close Outlook. Run
regsrv32.exe spambayes_addin.dll and then run Outlook again.

This could be added to the documentation as it is an extra step beyond what
is currently there. It also addresses an issue that is somewhat different
from what is described in the troubleshooting docs.

Erik


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Holt [mailto:andy-spambayes@portmacc.net]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:38 AM
To: Erik Sargent; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayes menu stops working.

Erik, I had a similar issue - deselecting and then deleting the toolbar (via
Outlook's toolbar customize dialog box) and then restarting Outlook seemed
to sort this out for me.

HTH   __Andy__

| -----Original Message-----
| From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
| [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Erik Sargent
| Sent: 11 August 2003 08:12
| To: spambayes@python.org
| Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes menu stops working.
|
|
| I installed the 0.7 product a couple days ago. Everything
| worked fine until
| today. The filtering still works fine, as do the "Delete as Spam" and
| "Recover" buttons. But, the SpamBayes menu pull-down does
| NOT. It appears,
| but when I click on it nothing happens.
|
| Has anyone else seen this?
|
| I've attached log files, but I suspect the culprit is:
|
| FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' -
| (-2147352567,
| 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
| FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Clues' -
| (-2147352567,
| 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
| FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.CheckVersion' -
| (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
| -2147467259),
| None)
|
| I'm running WinXP with Office 2003 B2TR. I've rebooted and reinstalled
| SpamBayes and it did not solve the problem.
|
| Erik



From esargent at americanconsulting.com  Mon Aug 11 21:45:32 2003
From: esargent at americanconsulting.com (Erik Sargent)
Date: Mon Aug 11 23:45:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0F7@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <E19mQ6Z-00045M-00@mail.python.org>

Bob & Bill,
I appreciate the support for the general idea of automatically adding the
folders and claim no personal concern for the names. In fact, I would agree
that yours are better.

In suggesting the alignment with the Microsoft name I was thinking more
about the usability of the program for less technical users. It is probably
fair to say that most or all of us on the list are fairly tech savvy
compared with the general population. However, I always use the "dad test"
when looking at these types of things. I do believe that my dad would be
quite confused to suddenly find both a "Junk Email" and a "Spam" folder
both. What would he do with them?

It is a good point that, for those who care, it wouldn't be obvious which
filter placed the spam there - but I do believe that most users won't care.
In fact, after a few more weeks of use, I must confess that I hope not to
care either. The success of the software can only be measured by the degree
to which its use becomes invisible to the user. My personal goal is to
remember that SpamBayes exists only at parties when my friends start griping
about all the spam they have to deal with and I can introduce them to it.

Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+esargent=americanconsulting.com@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+esargent=americanconsulting.com@python.org] On
Behalf Of Coe, Bob
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:40 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set

I'll point out that you lose no generality by including the two folders as
Erik suggests. If you don't like their names or positions in the tree, you
can move them. Outlook and Spambayes are smart enough to adjust all
references accordingly (or so I've observed).

That said, I'd like to propose the names "Spam" and "Spambiguous" as the
default folder names. Besides being sort of cute, the two names will appear
in adjacent positions in the folder list. I guess "Junk E-mail" and "Junk
Suspects" would too, come to think of it. Oh, well.....

Actually, I'm not sure it's a good idea to use "Junk E-mail" as one of the
names. If you have both Spambayes and the Outlook Junk E-mail rule turned
on, it won't be obvious which program consigned a message to the folder.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Sargent [mailto:esargent@americanconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:12 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] setup training & filtering set
>
...
>
> I would also recommend that you automatically add a "Junk
> E-mail" and "Junk Suspects" folder during install and use
> those as the default destination for flagged messages. If
> you get a copy of Outlook 2003 beta2 Technical Refresh,
> Microsoft automatically adds a "Junk E-Mail" folder. Even
> better, they allow you to right-click the folder and delete
> spam directly from that folder. This would be a cool dovetail
> of features with 2003.
>
> As for training, I wouldn't mind starting from zero, but it
> does seem like you could start with a small database of popular
> and unique messages.
>
> Thank you for your work on this - very cool. I was happy to
> read about it and even happier that it seems to work!
>
> Erik




From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 17:01:44 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:02:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF39D3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I removed the program because it is not working at all.

A better solution would probably be to get it working, but it's up to
you!

> Why I still have the 2 icons on my Microsoft'Taskbar?

See:
[ 675811 ] Dead buttons left on uninstall
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=675811&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103>

This is the bit you are after:
"""
For anyone reading this because they have buttons left over 
after uninstalling, you can get rid of them by resetting the 
toolbar.

(Right click on the toolbar, click
customize, then select the standard toolbar, then click reset).
"""

You could also just delete the spambayes toolbar, rather than resetting
the whole thing.

=Tony Meyer

From n.tanner at lunchclub.net  Mon Aug 11 22:05:21 2003
From: n.tanner at lunchclub.net (Nate Tanner)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:05:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes: smtp auth issue
Message-ID: <04f701c36086$f97849c0$0203a8c0@Nate>

i use outlook express. my smtp server requires authentication (it runs saslauthd). i couldn't figure out a way to make the smtp proxy run and still authenticate the smtp user. 

i put 'localhost' in the smtp server field, and then if i checked 'server requires authentication', it asked for a password for localhost. if i didn't check it, then i couldn't send mail. 

there needs to be a way to enter username and password in the smtp proxy, or else have the proxy grab the auth info out of outlook express's profile...

is there currently a way to make it work?

thanx
nate tanner
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 17:06:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:06:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF39D9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I believe I misspoke slightly about the earliest version 
> containing True and False.  It appears the CVS change which 
> added integer versions of True and False to 
> Python/bltinmodule.c occurred about a week before the release 
> of 2.2.1.  The minimum version required for SpamBayes at 
> least w.r.t. True/False availability is thus 2.2.1.  I 
> verified that they are available in 2.2.1 on creosote.  I 
> don't have ready access to 2.2.  The website says 2.2 is the 
> minimum and setup.py requires 2.2 or greater.  I'm sure this 
> topic has come up before.  Should 2.2.1 be required as a 
> minimum?  I'll gladly make the necessary changes.

Isn't this what all the:
"""
try:
    True, False
except NameError:
    # Maintain compatibility with Python 2.2
    True, False = 1, 0
"""
code is about?  Unless 2.4.3 of the email package requires 2.2.1, in
which case couldn't we dump all the above code?

(It looked to my very ignorant eyes like the version of the email
package installed (2.5) , not spambayes, needed a more recent version of
Python installed).

=Tony Meyer

From snoopdogg75 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 12 15:13:18 2003
From: snoopdogg75 at hotmail.com (Snoop Dogg)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:13:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problem
Message-ID: <Sea1-F59GadRtaLCKVV0002b505@hotmail.com>

Hi There,

Just tried installing the Bayes Outlook 2000 plug-in (version 007) on 
Windows 2000 SP4 (SOE).  The install seemed to have worked fine.  However, 
when I try to start Outlook 2000  it gets up to the stage where it starts 
the Bayes toolbar buttons.  After that my Outlook just hangs.

I have tried rebooting, uninstalling Bayes but to no avail - I still have 
the problem.  After all that I also tried all registry references to 
"Bayes", but that didn't work either.  After un-installation I can no longer 
see the Bayes toolbar buttons, but Outlook still hangs after initialising 
the toolbar (from what I can see).

Any suggestions?  Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Adnan.

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to  
http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 00:27:53 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:28:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Trouble installing on rh7.3 and python 2.2
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF39D9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF39D9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16184.27849.886544.461306@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> I believe I misspoke slightly about the earliest version containing
    >> True and False.  It appears the CVS change which added integer
    >> versions of True and False to Python/bltinmodule.c occurred about a
    >> week before the release of 2.2.1.  The minimum version required for
    >> SpamBayes at least w.r.t. True/False availability is thus 2.2.1.  I
    >> verified that they are available in 2.2.1 on creosote.  I don't have
    >> ready access to 2.2.  The website says 2.2 is the minimum and
    >> setup.py requires 2.2 or greater.  I'm sure this topic has come up
    >> before.  Should 2.2.1 be required as a minimum?  I'll gladly make the
    >> necessary changes.

    Tony> Isn't this what all the:
    Tony> """
    Tony> try:
    Tony>     True, False
    Tony> except NameError:
    Tony>     # Maintain compatibility with Python 2.2
    Tony>     True, False = 1, 0
    Tony> """
    Tony> code is about?  Unless 2.4.3 of the email package requires 2.2.1, in
    Tony> which case couldn't we dump all the above code?

    Tony> (It looked to my very ignorant eyes like the version of the email
    Tony> package installed (2.5) , not spambayes, needed a more recent
    Tony> version of Python installed).

That's what I get for not looking at the SpamBayes source during this
interchange!  Of course, that means that Russell's traceback which showed
True not being defined is suspicious:

    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "pop3proxy.py", line 94, in ?
        from email.Header import Header
      File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/Header.py", line 11, in ?
        import email.base64MIME
      File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/base64MIME.py", line 31, in ?
        from email._compat22 import _floordiv
      File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/_compat22.py", line 41, in ?
        def body_line_iterator(msg, decode=False):
    NameError: name 'False' is not defined

or at least my original interpretation was.  Russell, back to you. ;-) Can
you double check the version of Python and the email package you are using?
The following should be sufficient:

    import sys
    print sys.version
    import email
    print email.__version__

Since the traceback is actually in the email package, I'm beginning to
suspect you are not running a recent enough version of that software.
Furthermore, I'm beginning to suspect that you tried running pop3proxy from
the source directory without first running

    python setup.py install

which would have warned about not recent enough versions.

Skip

From n.tanner at lunchclub.net  Mon Aug 11 22:30:41 2003
From: n.tanner at lunchclub.net (Nate Tanner)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:31:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] smtp auth issue
Message-ID: <092d01c3608a$9f583fa0$0203a8c0@Nate>

i use outlook express on xp home version. 

my smtp server requires authentication (it runs saslauthd). i couldn't figure out a way to make the smtp proxy run and still authenticate the smtp user. 

i put 'localhost' in the smtp server field, and then if i checked 'server requires authentication', it asked for a password for localhost. if i didn't check it, then i couldn't send mail. 

there seems to be a need to enter the smtp server's username and password in the smtp proxy, or else have the proxy grab the auth info out of outlook express's profile...

is there currently a way to make it work?

thanx
nate tanner
From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Tue Aug 12 01:37:45 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:39:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue
In-Reply-To: <092d01c3608a$9f583fa0$0203a8c0@Nate>
References: <092d01c3608a$9f583fa0$0203a8c0@Nate>
Message-ID: <20030812043745.GA648@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:30:41PM -0700, Nate Tanner wrote:
| i use outlook express on xp home version. 
| 
| my smtp server requires authentication (it runs saslauthd). i
| couldn't figure out a way to make the smtp proxy run and still
| authenticate the smtp user. 
| 
| i put 'localhost' in the smtp server field, and then if i checked
| 'server requires authentication', it asked for a password for
| localhost.

Did you try entering the password, even though the dialog box had the
"wrong" host name?

| if i didn't check it, then i couldn't send mail. 

Naturally :-).

| there seems to be a need to enter the smtp server's username and
| password in the smtp proxy,

The proxy should just proxy it.  (that is, it passes the data on to
the server and the server decides how to respond to it)


[Disclaimer: I don't use the proxy and haven't read the code, but I
would expect the proxy to "just work" in this scenario, and your
wording gives me the impression you didn't try entering the username
and password]

HTH,
-D

-- 
A)bort, R)etry, B)ang it with a large hammer
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From whit at dubhlinn.com  Mon Aug 11 22:40:55 2003
From: whit at dubhlinn.com (Kendall Whitlatch)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:41:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie question on non-standard POP3 client
Message-ID: <512576767.20030811214055@dubhlinn.com>

Here's what I've got:

Windows XP sp1 --- Yea, I know... Get a real operating system. :)
"The Bat" POP3 client application

I've loaded the latest version of Python (2.3) as well as the
win32.dll's from the Python site. (Not Active-State's version)

I have only set the POP3 side of my client to point at the proxy.

I start pop3proxy with the following command:
                 pop3proxy.py -b dubhlinn.com
I also used the browser interface to create the bayescustomize.ini
file.

My client doesn't seem to be connecting to the POP3 server through the
proxy. Is there a log file stored some place?

I apologize for asking such elementary questions. I would appreciate
any help you might be able to provide. I can provide snapshots of the
client configuration windows if necessary.

Best regards,
 Kendall Whitlatch
 mailto:whit@dubhlinn.com



From n.tanner at lunchclub.net  Mon Aug 11 22:45:36 2003
From: n.tanner at lunchclub.net (Nate Tanner)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:45:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue
References: <092d01c3608a$9f583fa0$0203a8c0@Nate>
	<20030812043745.GA648@dman13.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <096d01c3608c$98b9fec0$0203a8c0@Nate>

Yes I did try entering the password, several times. It didn't work.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org>
To: <SpamBayes@python.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:37 PM
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue


On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:30:41PM -0700, Nate Tanner wrote:
| i use outlook express on xp home version.
|
| my smtp server requires authentication (it runs saslauthd). i
| couldn't figure out a way to make the smtp proxy run and still
| authenticate the smtp user.
|
| i put 'localhost' in the smtp server field, and then if i checked
| 'server requires authentication', it asked for a password for
| localhost.

Did you try entering the password, even though the dialog box had the
"wrong" host name?

| if i didn't check it, then i couldn't send mail.

Naturally :-).

| there seems to be a need to enter the smtp server's username and
| password in the smtp proxy,

The proxy should just proxy it.  (that is, it passes the data on to
the server and the server decides how to respond to it)


[Disclaimer: I don't use the proxy and haven't read the code, but I
would expect the proxy to "just work" in this scenario, and your
wording gives me the impression you didn't try entering the username
and password]

HTH,
-D

-- 
A)bort, R)etry, B)ang it with a large hammer

http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 18:27:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 01:27:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> You say you need help with documentation, apart from using 
> REAL English (colour etc) my writing is good and is generally 
> light hearted but gets the message across.  How can I help?  

In addition to what Tim & Mark have said, I would love to see two new
docs to replace the existing readme.txt, one tailored towards users and
one towards testers/developers.  (The existing one is a mix, but more
towards the latter).

This is something I think we need before we release a pop3proxy (etc)
binary.  Something along the lines of the Outlook plugin's about.html, I
suppose.

(If you do make any patches, just submit them through the sf system and
someone will check them out).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 18:33:25 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 01:34:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie question on non-standard POP3 client
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A38@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Windows XP sp1 --- Yea, I know... Get a real operating system. :)
> "The Bat" POP3 client application

Back when I was mucking about with the smtpproxy I did test "The Bat"
out, so it should work.  I can't recall if that was when I was using
Win2K or WinXP, but it shouldn't matter.

> I start pop3proxy with the following command:
>                  pop3proxy.py -b dubhlinn.com
> I also used the browser interface to create the bayescustomize.ini
> file.

When you used the browser interface, did you enter the POP3 server
information there?  If so, you don't need to include it on the command
line (i.e. you can just have: "pop3proxy.py -b".

> My client doesn't seem to be connecting to the POP3 server through the
> proxy. Is there a log file stored some place?

If you edit your bayescustomize.ini file to include:
[globals]
verbose:True

Then the whole POP3 conversation will be logged into a file called
_pop3proxy.log.  Otherwise there isn't really anything unless you are
seeing a traceback in console window.

If you telnet to localhost 110 when the proxy is running, do you
connect?

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 16:34:45 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 12 01:34:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problem
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F59GadRtaLCKVV0002b505@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <012f01c36093$7108d890$f502a8c0@eden>

> Just tried installing the Bayes Outlook 2000 plug-in (version 007) on
> Windows 2000 SP4 (SOE).  The install seemed to have worked
> fine.  However,
> when I try to start Outlook 2000  it gets up to the stage
> where it starts
> the Bayes toolbar buttons.  After that my Outlook just hangs.
>
> I have tried rebooting, uninstalling Bayes but to no avail -
> I still have
> the problem.  After all that I also tried all registry references to
> "Bayes", but that didn't work either.  After un-installation
> I can no longer
> see the Bayes toolbar buttons, but Outlook still hangs after
> initialising
> the toolbar (from what I can see).

You could try resetting all the toolbars - see
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html, and the bit about deleting
"outcmd.dat".

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 18:38:20 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 01:39:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A3B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>>>| i put 'localhost' in the smtp server field, and then if i checked 
>>> 'server requires authentication', it asked for a password for 
>>> localhost.
>> Did you try entering the password, even though the dialog box 
>> had the "wrong" host name?
> Yes I did try entering the password, several times. It didn't work.

This is definitely where you should be entering it.  Derrick's
expectation matches mine - it should just proxy the information through.
Is the MUA definitely connecting to the server?  (i.e. the address and
port information is correct?)

> [Disclaimer: I don't use the proxy and haven't read the code, 
> but I would expect the proxy to "just work" in this scenario, 

[Disclaimer: I don't use the proxy often, and although I wrote most of
the code, it was a while ago and my memory isn't good <wink>]

(Really must commit those updates to the smtpproxy one day...)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 18:54:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 01:55:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problems with spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A42@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Problems:
> 1) SMTP proxy hangs when I try to send mail

Do you get any sort of traceback?  I wonder if this is related to the
other problems too - if it can't do the training because something is
wrong, I'm not sure what it would do.  (Really must commit those
improvements sometime soon...)

> 2) Inbound messages are getting passed through, but are only 
> intermittently appearing on the 'review' page on the 
> SpamBayes web interface

Not sure about this one.  It might be a symptom from the other problems
- I don't think that any messages with the "X-Spambayes-Exception"
header would end up on the review page.

> 3) Inbound messages contain the header:
>    X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.AssertionError()
>      in probability() at
>         spambayes/classifier.py line 310: assert spamcount <= nspam

This means that the database is screwed.  You need to retrain from
scratch.  It would be worth checking what dbm you are using (unless
you're using pickles).  If it's dumbdbm, then you should either get
something else, or use pickles.  FAQ 5.2 applies:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-cor
rupted>

> 4) When setting 'Add unique spambayes id' to both 'header' 
> and 'body' (via the web interface), the 'save' button 
> triggers the exception: Traceback (most recent call last):
[...]
> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'append'

Drat, so it does.  I've checked in a fix for this to cvs.  Unless you
want to run from cvs, your only solution is to edit the config file by
hand - just make the value "body header".

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 19:00:36 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 02:01:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes : contribution
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A46@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 	I wrote a few months ago a small command line utility 
> which allows the user to convert an Outlook Express mailbox 
> DBX file to a Unix mbox one.
[...]
> 	So here are my suggestions :
> - you could ship oe2mbox.py script along with SpamBayes (even 
> compiled as an exe)
> - you could use my oe.mailbox lib to make SpamBayes be able 
> to handle *.dbx files.

Thanks for this!  Working with dbx files was on my to-do list, but other
than looking at the couple of sf projects that do this, I hadn't got any
further.  If no-one else gets to it, I'm definitely interested in
integrating this code into spambayes.  However, it might be a couple of
weeks before I can get around to it.  (If you felt like it you could
make the appropriate patches yourself and submit them).

> 	This lib is currently under GNU GPL but, as I did not 
> distribute it yet, I can change the license to PSF if you wish.

I'll let Tim answer that one.

=Tony Meyer

From whit at dubhlinn.com  Tue Aug 12 00:03:08 2003
From: whit at dubhlinn.com (Kendall Whitlatch)
Date: Tue Aug 12 02:03:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie question on non-standard POP3 client
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A38@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A38@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <192600550.20030811230308@dubhlinn.com>

ok... Looks like I had one configuration problem with the client. I
was pointing it to port 8880. Once I set it to port 110 I got a
failure. Before I was waiting up to 15 minutes to time-out.

Here's the log file results:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
POST /save HTTP/1.1
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */*
Referer: http://localhost:8880/
Accept-Language: en-us
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
Host: localhost:8880
Content-Length: 21
Connection: Keep-Alive
Cache-Control: no-cache

how=Save+%26+shutdown+OK <26613.1060667888@titan.serverbox.net>
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
-ERR authorization first
----------------------------------------------------------------------

If I telnet to localhost 110 in a dosh shell I get a blank window. If
it hit <enter> it exits out to the shell prompt again.
 
Best regards,
 Kendall Whitlatch
 mailto:whit@dubhlinn.com

Monday, August 11, 2003, 10:33:25 PM, you wrote:

>> Windows XP sp1 --- Yea, I know... Get a real operating system. :)
>> "The Bat" POP3 client application

MT> Back when I was mucking about with the smtpproxy I did test "The Bat"
MT> out, so it should work.  I can't recall if that was when I was using
MT> Win2K or WinXP, but it shouldn't matter.

>> I start pop3proxy with the following command:
>>                  pop3proxy.py -b dubhlinn.com
>> I also used the browser interface to create the bayescustomize.ini
>> file.

MT> When you used the browser interface, did you enter the POP3 server
MT> information there?  If so, you don't need to include it on the command
MT> line (i.e. you can just have: "pop3proxy.py -b".

>> My client doesn't seem to be connecting to the POP3 server through the
>> proxy. Is there a log file stored some place?

MT> If you edit your bayescustomize.ini file to include:
MT> [globals]
MT> verbose:True

MT> Then the whole POP3 conversation will be logged into a file called
MT> _pop3proxy.log.  Otherwise there isn't really anything unless you are
MT> seeing a traceback in console window.

MT> If you telnet to localhost 110 when the proxy is running, do you
MT> connect?

MT> =Tony Meyer



From jaroslav.brandis at softec.sk  Tue Aug 12 09:48:16 2003
From: jaroslav.brandis at softec.sk (Brandis Jaroslav)
Date: Tue Aug 12 02:48:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam clues - what is it ?
Message-ID: <5E415169BC383A4EB17C22078E27D5B250174F@dcba01.softec.sk>

Hello ...

Can anybody explain me what is it for ? When I click on it I can see
message spam score. But there is always spam score: 1

Thanks

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 19:49:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 02:50:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie question on non-standard POP3 client
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A58@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> ok... Looks like I had one configuration problem with the 
> client. I was pointing it to port 8880.

As you've no doubt figured, localhost:8880 is the web interface.

> Once I set it to port 110 I got a failure. Before I was waiting up
> to 15 minutes to time-out.

Wow, The Bat! is very generous...

> Here's the log file results:
[...]
> -ERR authorization first

Odd.  I wondered if maybe this was The Bat! doing something strange, but
I downloaded & installed it and it works fine.  You get an "-ERR
authorization first" error if you try to retrieve (etc) mail without
logging in first, but the proxy should just be forwarding on those
commands.

> If I telnet to localhost 110 in a dosh shell I get a blank 
> window. If it hit <enter> it exits out to the shell prompt again.

Sounds like the proxy is working then (although I would have expected a
"+OK message" line to appear).

Could you try telnetting again, typing "USER username", then "PASS
password", then "LIST"?  (replacing username and password with the
appropriate values).  It should show a +OK message after each command
and then a list of the messages after the LIST command.

Richie - any ideas?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 19:54:15 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 02:54:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam clues - what is it ?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A59@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Can anybody explain me what is it for ? When I click on it I 
> can see message spam score. But there is always spam score: 1

This displays the clues (or tokens) for that message.  If you're not
sure what clues have to do with anything, try reading the "That's great,
but what's SpamBayes? (the non-technical hand-waving answer)" section of
the front page of the website <http://spambayes.org>.

BTW, are you using pop3proxy or the Outlook plugin?

The score should definitely not always be 1.  If you click spam clues
after selecting a ham message (Outlook) or next to a ham message
(pop3proxy), it should show a score much closer to 0.  The score should
also match the classification - does your filtering work?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 12 20:03:06 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 12 03:03:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Send error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A5A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I tried the change.
> 
> When I sent RSET to the proxy port, I received the following:
> 502 Error: command not implemented
> 500 Error: bad syntax

Was one of these what was displayed in the telnet window and one in the
console that you started pop3proxy in?

In any case, I gave you bad code.  Replace the OnRset function with
this:
    def onRset(self, command, args):
        print command, args
        return "RSET"

You should get a 250 code in the telnet window (if not, then try
telnetting directly to the smtp server and entering in "RSET").  There
should also be info in the console window, which is what Evolution is
sending - hopefully this is something apart from "RSET []", as that will
tell us something!

=Tony Meyer

From stolz at i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Aug 12 11:28:56 2003
From: stolz at i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Volker Stolz)
Date: Tue Aug 12 04:29:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Issues with hammie.py and webpage
Message-ID: <20030812082856.GA49046@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>

Hi, I was just getting into Bayesian filters and decided to use
py-spambayes. Two things: I have a bzip2ed mbox full of spam and
tried to train the system with it:

stolz@menelaos [10:19:21]> bunzip2 -c Mail/spam.1.bz2 | hammie.py -d -s -
Training spam (-):
     1

This looks like it wasn't expecting an mbox on stdin but treated
everything as one single mail?
Unzipping the file and then passing it to hammy works fine:
Mail@menelaos [10:22:57]> hammie.py -d -s spam.1
Training spam (spam.1):
  1492
Catting the unzipped file once again shows the erroneous behaviour.

If this isn't supposed to work the way I intented it, you should
probably modify the man-page.

Second thing: On http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/docs.html the link
for some of the docs point into CVS which will break rendering at least
here in Opera 6, e.g. the Troubleshooting Guide is delivered as text/plain.

Regards,
 Volker
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From goeran at zaengerlein.de  Tue Aug 12 12:37:22 2003
From: goeran at zaengerlein.de (Goeran Zaengerlein)
Date: Tue Aug 12 05:37:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall source installation on
	WinXP/Outlook2002
Message-ID: <000001c360b5$5580fe50$3200a8c0@gmz>

Hello *,

I first installed the Spambayes Outlook Plugin binary. As I did not get
it working (ok, next time I will read the manual first, now I now I just
did not do the initial training) ;) I tried to uninstall, but this
failed due to a corrupt .dat file.

I then tried to install the source code version which seemed to work
fine. But now I get an Spambayes error when starting Outlook which tells
me to try to restart Outlook as the initialization failed.

I would like to uninstall the source code version - how do I do this? Is
there any .py script available for this task?

Thanks a lot,
Goeran Zaengerlein


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 12 22:48:35 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 12 07:48:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall source installation
	onWinXP/Outlook2002
In-Reply-To: <000001c360b5$5580fe50$3200a8c0@gmz>
Message-ID: <026c01c360c7$aa220320$f502a8c0@eden>

> I then tried to install the source code version which seemed to work
> fine. But now I get an Spambayes error when starting Outlook
> which tells
> me to try to restart Outlook as the initialization failed.
>
> I would like to uninstall the source code version - how do I
> do this? Is
> there any .py script available for this task?

Run "addin.py --unregister".  (addin.py was the file you used to register
it)

Mark.


From Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov  Tue Aug 12 08:56:34 2003
From: Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov (Feingold Josh S)
Date: Tue Aug 12 07:56:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
Message-ID: <40BE5618BBFAD6119DAC0004ACE530C6869B2A@chm0010mb01.atsc.irs.gov>

That's too bad.  I find that I manage my email by having a spam folder.  All
spam ends up there.  When an email comes into my inbox, I work it there and
leave it there until whatever it addresses is complete.  Then I delete it
and it goes to the deleted items folders.  So at all times, my deleted items
represents good email, and my "spam" folder holds "bad" ones.

One feature that I noticed on another Outlook plugin that I used that was
nice, was the ability that when spam is moved into the spam folder, the
message is marked as read.   

One possible bug is that when you select the subfolders checkbox, it is a
global selection, whereas you might want some folders to include subforlders
and others not.

I like your software, and it seems to be working better than my previous
software, Spammunition.  The simple task bar is also very nice.

Thanks,
Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:03 PM
To: 'Feingold Josh S'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged


> I am running SpamBayes in Outlook 2000, on Windows XP.  When I am 
> trying to train SpamBayes, I am finding that there is no option to
> select the emails
> in my deleted items to be noted as "good."  The deleted
> folder simply does
> not show on the choose email dialog box. Is there anything
> that I am doing
> wrong, or is this by design.  Please respond to this email address.

This is by design.  The main reason is to prevent people selecting "Deleted
Item" as the Spam folder - this would wreak havoc with incremental training
in a number of ways.

Mark.
From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 12 09:24:23 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 12 08:24:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0FB@SPIKE.city>

Since I know nothing of the internals of Spambayes, I have no way of guessing what havoc that would wreak. But your response suggests that there may be more complicated side effects going on at the folder level (as opposed to the individual message level) than I had supposed. Which motivates me to check on an assumption under which I had been operating, i.e. that deleting messages from either the "Definite" folder or the "Ambiguous" folder has no training effect. Is that in fact the case? I also assume that there's no training effect if I move a message out of the "Ambiguous" folder without specifying that it is or isn't spam. Am I right about that?

A related question: If I move a message from the "Definite" folder to a folder other than the one in which Spambayes found it, does that have a training effect? More specifically, if I want to add to my library of spam (which I use to start up new Spambayes users), can I safely do it by moving messages from the "Definite" folder to my "Sample spam" folder? Or do I have to copy the messages and then delete them from the "Definite" folder?

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:03 PM
> To: 'Feingold Josh S'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
> 
> 
> This is by design.  The main reason is to prevent people 
> selecting "Deleted Item" as the Spam folder - this would
> wreak havoc with incremental training in a number of ways.
> 
> Mark.

From oyvind at repvik.net  Tue Aug 12 15:48:54 2003
From: oyvind at repvik.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Repvik?=)
Date: Tue Aug 12 08:49:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Probabilities based on account?
Message-ID: <MKEGILCDLPKFJHKDPEHOGELOCAAA.oyvind@repvik.net>

Hi,

  I'm sorry if there is something I've missed, but I got an idea that I
consider bright :)
What about setting probability based on what account the mail was recieved
on? I have seven or eight mail-addresses, some of which I've managed to
avoid spam on (so far), and some that has a signal to noise ratio that is
disturbing.

Is there something I'm missing here? Is there a good reason that I cannot
assume that "since that mail came through my whatever@mydomain.com address,
it's *probably*, but not guaranteed spam", and vice versa, "that mail came
through my legitimatemail@stillmydomain.com, so it's improbable that it's
spam, although not entirely impossible"?

Or is there some way I can do this already?

Sorry if I haven't rtfm'ed enough, I only have limited net access.

Btw, I'm using Outlook 2k on Win 2k atm. Haven't gotten my gentoo box up and
running yet.
Thanks for a great product :)

Sincerely yours,
?yvind Repvik

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 12.08.2003


From oyvind at repvik.net  Tue Aug 12 16:03:05 2003
From: oyvind at repvik.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Repvik?=)
Date: Tue Aug 12 09:03:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Probabilities based on account?
Message-ID: <MKEGILCDLPKFJHKDPEHOGEMDCAAA.oyvind@repvik.net>

Hmm... The website doesn't specify that I'm sending to a mailinglist. I
assumed it was a "webmaster"-type mail-address. Oh well.
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 12.08.2003


From romain.guy at jext.org  Tue Aug 12 16:12:57 2003
From: romain.guy at jext.org (Romain GUY)
Date: Tue Aug 12 09:17:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express files handling
Message-ID: <2003812151257.727734@Thinthalion>

	Hello everyone,

	I've just submited a patch to Tony Meyer which allows SpamBayes to handle Outlook Express DBX file in the administration panel. Instead of uploading only mbox files for training, you can now upload DBX ones.

	If you want to try this, you can download my patch (against spambayes-1.0a4) at this address : http://jext.free.fr/spambayes.tgz. The content of this archive has to be put in spambayes-1.0a4/spambayes.

	I hope you'll find it quite useful (and that you'll find no bug at all ;-).

--
Romain GUY
romain.guy@jext.org
http://www.jext.org
http://progx.jext.org


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed Aug 13 00:16:53 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Aug 12 09:17:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Probabilities based on account? 
In-Reply-To: <MKEGILCDLPKFJHKDPEHOGELOCAAA.oyvind@repvik.net> 
Message-ID: <200308121316.h7CDGrTf022412@localhost.localdomain>


>>> =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Repvik?= wrote
> Hi,
> 
>   I'm sorry if there is something I've missed, but I got an idea that I
> consider bright :)
> What about setting probability based on what account the mail was recieved
> on? I have seven or eight mail-addresses, some of which I've managed to
> avoid spam on (so far), and some that has a signal to noise ratio that is
> disturbing.

You should find that the 'To' address is tokenised already. Look at the
spam clues for a message, you should see something like 'to:oyvind' there.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From rxk at fei-zyfer.com  Tue Aug 12 15:34:43 2003
From: rxk at fei-zyfer.com (Rob Kimberley)
Date: Tue Aug 12 09:34:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - Outlook Plug-In
Message-ID: <000201c360d6$7e01f070$6e2e8751@QuaddraXS>

At last!!!

A Spam filter that works with multiple Outlook profiles. Easy to set up and
works just great!!

Keep up the good work.

Regards

Rob Kimberley



From markus at schretter.de  Tue Aug 12 17:09:50 2003
From: markus at schretter.de (Schretter Markus)
Date: Tue Aug 12 10:09:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Problems
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3JU2VXxX0kmQUwxzboFHI8KAAAAQAAAA1W782tGeM0OttdBV0npKNAEAAAAA@schretter.de>

Hi,

I wanted to install your plugin for outlookXP but I'm getting the
folling mmessage:

"You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam"

I've looked under deaktivated elements but nothing found. also the
COM-AddIn Folder doesn't show your plugin.

What went wrong with the installation?

regards

Markus


From chance at stsci.edu  Tue Aug 12 16:04:27 2003
From: chance at stsci.edu (Don Chance)
Date: Tue Aug 12 11:04:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My adventures with Spambayes...
Message-ID: <200308121504.h7CF4R021554@copland.sogs.stsci.edu>

Hi,

Yesterday, after reading about spambayes on slashdot, I downloaded it
and start playing around with it.  I have an IMAP account, so I tried
out imapfilter.py.  The following is a record of the hacks I had to 
apply to get it to work.  I am posting this in hope this is will be of
some use to those noble folks who are developing this code.

The first problem I ran into was:

> python2.2 imapfilter.py -b
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Alpha1, version 0.01 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha1, version 0.01
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "imapfilter.py", line 789, in ?
    run()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 740, in run
    pwd = options["imap", "password"][0]
IndexError: tuple index out of range

After adding the "-p" option, I was able to set things up from the web
page.

Next, I tried training the filter, but kept getting:

imaplib.error: APPEND command error: BAD ['Invalid date-time in Append 
command']

Added some print statements to see what was going on.  After staring
at the time string that caused the problem for a long time, I finally
figured out the what was causing the error. The last part of the time
was "+000" instead of "+0000". Added the following code to workaround 
the problem:

385,392d380
<         msg_time_list = str(msg_time).replace('"', '').strip().split()
<         if len(msg_time_list) > 2 and len(msg_time_list[2]) == 4:
<             msg_time = '"' + string.join(msg_time_list) + '0"'
<         if options["globals", "verbose"]:
<             print "folder name:", self.folder.name
<             print "flags:      ", flags
<             print "msg_time:   ", msg_time
<         

Next, I tried to classify my Inbox, but kept getting assertion errors
on "assert hamcount <= nham".  Added some print statements to see what
was going on:

> python2.2 imapfilter.py -c -p -v
.
. (verbose output deleted)
.
hamcount: 25
nham: 24.0
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "imapfilter.py", line 786, in ?
    run()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 776, in run
    imap_filter.Filter()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 643, in Filter
    self.unsure_folder)
  File "imapfilter.py", line 565, in Filter
    evidence=True)
  File "/data/copland1/chance/python/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 223, in chi2_spamprob
    clues = self._getclues(wordstream)
  File "/data/copland1/chance/python/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 454, in _getclues
    prob = self.probability(record)
  File "/data/copland1/chance/python/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 310, in probability
    assert hamcount <= nham
AssertionError

Made the following modification to classifier.py to workaround the problem:

307,313c307
<         if options["globals", "verbose"]:
<             print "hamcount:", hamcount
<             print "nham:", nham
<         try:
<             assert hamcount <= nham
<         except:
<             hamcount = nham
---
>         assert hamcount <= nham


Tried to classify my Inbox again:

> python2.2 imapfilter.py -c -p -v
.
. (verbose output deleted)
.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "imapfilter.py", line 786, in ?
    run()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 776, in run
    imap_filter.Filter()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 643, in Filter
    self.unsure_folder)
  File "imapfilter.py", line 579, in Filter
    msg.Save()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 369, in Save
    data = _extract_fetch_data(response[1][0])
  File "imapfilter.py", line 157, in _extract_fetch_data
    mo = FETCH_RESPONSE_RE.match(response)
TypeError: expected string or buffer

Added code:
157,159d155
<     if options["globals", "verbose"]:
<         print "type(response):", type(response)
<         print "response:", response

and repeated the command, but the error did not recur.


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Don Chance
Computer Sciences Corp.
Space Telescope Science Institute
3700 San Martin Dr.
Baltimore, MD 21218
410-338-4941
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

From amcmillan at chapura.com  Tue Aug 12 11:26:00 2003
From: amcmillan at chapura.com (amcmillan@chapura.com)
Date: Tue Aug 12 11:28:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job
Message-ID: <9AAF0DB379FDD111B0A900A0C984601303491705@CHAPURA>

Good Job on SpamBayes.  Easily installed and configured.  Trained wit
haround 200 bad and 200 good messages, then went in and configured the
boundary for Spam to be 99.5% which would let through all the people I email
who use the free emails with the built-in spam, but not the obvious spam.
 
Option request:
What I would really love to see is an option on a spam filter so that when
something is seen as spam it sends a non-deliverable message to the sender.
I am not sure what doing this would entail, but maybe that way my ten year
old email address might start working its way off of some of these list.
 
--Andrew McMillan
From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed Aug 13 02:32:16 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Aug 12 11:32:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job 
In-Reply-To: <9AAF0DB379FDD111B0A900A0C984601303491705@CHAPURA> 
Message-ID: <200308121532.h7CFWGCR024724@localhost.localdomain>


>>> amcmillan@chapura.com wrote
> What I would really love to see is an option on a spam filter so that when
> something is seen as spam it sends a non-deliverable message to the sender.
> I am not sure what doing this would entail, but maybe that way my ten year
> old email address might start working its way off of some of these list.

It's been requested a number of times. The problem is that most spam comes
from either invalid or (worse) forged addresses. Sending a NDN isn't going
to get to the people you want it to get to.

The only real way to do this is at SMTP time - you bounce the message as 
soon as it's received. Spambayes isn't really designed for this as yet
(although some people are working on the problem...)

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From parnold at CuraGen.com  Tue Aug 12 12:42:57 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Tue Aug 12 11:43:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fight Back - TarProxy
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02468@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

BTW,
The tool you are talking about is called "TarProxy" and is also on Sourceforge

Here are some links
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/02/1415257&mode=thread&tid=111
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tarproxy

HTH,
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Stone [mailto:tim@fourstonesexpressions.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:20 PM
To: Steve; spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Fight Back


On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:00:12 -0400, Steve <steve@szmidt.org> wrote:

> One of the interesting things I've found is to actually slow down 
> their
> mail servers too. There's a interesting project based on dragging out the 
> response times to near but not quite timeout values, which would make 
> their servers come to a grind whenever they hit your mailserver.

It's an interesting idea, but spambayes generally works on the client side 
of the equation.  Were we to build delays into spambayes, it would only 
serve to slow down your client's access of your own mailserver.  There are 
some who have wired spambayes into their mailservers, but presumably if 
they are saavy enough to pull that off, then they are saavy enough to build 
delays into their mail server's receiving circuitry.  That's my opinion, 
anyway...

-- 

Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone www.fourstonesExpressions.com

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From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk  Tue Aug 12 18:11:47 2003
From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Tue Aug 12 12:11:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fight Back - TarProxy
In-Reply-To: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02468@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>
References: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02468@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>
Message-ID: <200308121711.47830.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>

On Tuesday 12 August 2003 16:42, Arnold, Paul wrote:
> BTW,
> The tool you are talking about is called "TarProxy" and is also on
> Sourceforge
>
> Here are some links
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/02/1415257&mode=thread&tid=111
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tarproxy

Alternatively.....

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-January/002866.html



From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 13:13:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Aug 12 12:14:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes : contribution
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A46@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEBMGKAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Romain GUY]
>> 	This lib is currently under GNU GPL but, as I did not
>> distribute it yet, I can change the license to PSF if you wish.

[Tony Meyer]
> I'll let Tim answer that one.

I'm afraid it's not just a licensing issue:  so far, the *copyright* on all
spambayes materials is held by the PSF (Python Software Foundation).
Dealing with multiple copyrights is more trouble than just about anything is
worth, for a project without a lawyer budget.

So if Romain is willing to give copyright to the PSF, no problem; else big
problem.  Note that the terms of the PSF license are less restrictive than
the terms of the GPL, and, e.g., anyone who wants to take PSF-licensed code
and mmodify/re-release in their project under the GPL is free to do so.  It
doesn't work in the other direction:  GPL-licensed code cannot be
modified/re-released under the PSF license (the GPL license imposes more
conditions than does the PSF license).  Giving copyright to the PSF isn't
very scary for that reason (there's little it stops you from doing).

If we wait a few months, the PSF is currently paying a lawyer to review a
"joint ownership" contribution agreement, enabling the PSF and a contributor
to effectively share copyright.  Until that option is available, I want to
see copyright held by the PSF alone.


From mfaina at CreativeSolutions.com  Tue Aug 12 13:14:50 2003
From: mfaina at CreativeSolutions.com (Mihail Faina)
Date: Tue Aug 12 12:15:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing problem
Message-ID: <A5CF35176EEC2943BED86B83CE5F12B70306912B@dexmail01.creativesol.com>

I installed spambayes no problems but I can't "enable it". 
I ran  regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll it says that it register OK but I can't
see it in the Outlooks AddIns. No filtering is done and "delete as spam"
shows "you need to enable spambayes". Windows XP Sp1, Spambayes binary
version 07/2003. Thanks.

From andrew-spambayes at lexical.org.uk  Tue Aug 12 18:19:21 2003
From: andrew-spambayes at lexical.org.uk (Andrew Walkingshaw)
Date: Tue Aug 12 12:19:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fight Back - TarProxy
In-Reply-To: <200308121711.47830.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
References: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02468@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>
	<200308121711.47830.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030812161921.GB67991@colon.colondot.net>

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:11:47PM +0100, Toby Dickenson wrote:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-January/002866.html

It's a standard anti-spammer tactic called "teergrube" (German for
tar-pit, I believe). It's implemented by a fair amount of
mail-filtering software; the first place I encountered it was in Ian
Jackson's GNU SAUCE package, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/sauce/ 
(disclaimer; it probably popped up somewhere else before, but I know
Ian and have used SAUCEd mail systems on and off since ~2000/2001.)

The thing about SAUCE is that it's exceptionally aggressive about mail
misconfiguration (a particular example being MX-points-to-CNAME in the
DNS, which it treats as grounds to reject mail); thus, it's not for
everyone, including me (I don't use SAUCE for this reason, as I have
to exchange mail with people on misconfigured ISPs)[1] - though much
of its tactics might be of interested to people looking at this kind
of approach.

Best wishes,
- Andrew

[1] I have no interest in having an argument over degrees of
misconfiguration here :)

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From n.tanner at lunchclub.net  Tue Aug 12 10:50:12 2003
From: n.tanner at lunchclub.net (Nate Tanner)
Date: Tue Aug 12 12:50:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A3B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <0b1101c360f1$e98ea390$0203a8c0@Nate>

>>Is the MUA definitely connecting to the server?  (i.e. the address and
port information is correct?)

Yes. When the smtp server is set to the actual server name, the
authentication works correctly.

When it is not, here's what happens:
1. i set smtp server to localhost
2. try to send a message
3. popup box pops up saying "Please enter your username and password for the
following server. Server: localhost" It already has the correct username and
password (for the smtp server) filled in.
4. i click 'OK'
5. the pop up goes away for a second (trying to authenticate), and then
comes back the same "Please enter your username ... " (failed to
authenticate)
6. i try re-entering the password to make sure it is correct
7. fails and pops back up

either it is trying to authenticate on localhost, or it is failing to pass
the username and password to the server...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz>
To: "Nate Tanner" <n.tanner@lunchclub.net>; <SpamBayes@python.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue


>>>| i put 'localhost' in the smtp server field, and then if i checked
>>> 'server requires authentication', it asked for a password for
>>> localhost.
>> Did you try entering the password, even though the dialog box
>> had the "wrong" host name?
> Yes I did try entering the password, several times. It didn't work.

This is definitely where you should be entering it.  Derrick's
expectation matches mine - it should just proxy the information through.
Is the MUA definitely connecting to the server?  (i.e. the address and
port information is correct?)

> [Disclaimer: I don't use the proxy and haven't read the code,
> but I would expect the proxy to "just work" in this scenario,

[Disclaimer: I don't use the proxy often, and although I wrote most of
the code, it was a while ago and my memory isn't good <wink>]

(Really must commit those updates to the smtpproxy one day...)

=Tony Meyer

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From jmoulds at hei.com  Tue Aug 12 08:04:21 2003
From: jmoulds at hei.com (Moulds, Jim)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:04:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes with Eudora?
Message-ID: <746C604326E7D311BB2500D0B747486E420C5C@HSE001>

Your work on this Bayesian anti-spam filter is very good news.  Will it work with Eudora?

James E. Moulds 
HELCO CS:CS 
1200 Kilauea Ave 
Hilo, Hawaii 96720 
phone 808-969-0161 
fax 808-969-0135 

 
From johns at worldwinner.com  Tue Aug 12 14:33:09 2003
From: johns at worldwinner.com (John Saylor)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:36:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] procmail not executing hammiefilter.py
Message-ID: <20030812173309.GA6077@ralph.worldwinner.com>

hi

i'd like to get spambayes to run, but procmail doesn't let me. i get
stuff like this in the logs:

procmail: Executing "/home/johns/bin/spambayes/hammiefilter.py"
  File "/home/johns/bin/spambayes/hammiefilter.py", line 89
    print >> sys.stderr, msg
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
procmail: Program failure (1) of
"/home/johns/bin/spambayes/hammiefilter.py"



i think somehow, the python environment is not getting properly
initialized.

here's the version info for hammiefilter.py
561 $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/spambayes
log hammiefilter.py

RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/hammiefilter.py,v
Working file: hammiefilter.py
head: 1.18


and procmail and python
563 $ procmail -version
procmail v3.22 2001/09/10

564 $ python
Python 2.2.3 (#1, Aug 12 2003, 11:14:52) 


if someone helpful needs more info, let me know and i'll be happy to
supply it. also, i can join the list if needed to parse responses.

thanks.

-- 
\js


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Aug 12 19:36:48 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:36:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes : contribution
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEBMGKAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A46@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEBMGKAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <159ijvgekl9go0bgtu0hq26rk195hq6d2l@4ax.com>


[Tim]
> If we wait a few months, the PSF is currently paying a lawyer to review a
> "joint ownership" contribution agreement, enabling the PSF and a contributor
> to effectively share copyright.

That's a good idea - could you keep us (or more likely spambayes-dev) up
to date with what happens?  Ta.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From joakim at cb.uu.se  Tue Aug 12 18:45:31 2003
From: joakim at cb.uu.se (Joakim Lindblad)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:45:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Doc: Spambayes on Unix or Linux
Message-ID: <1060710319.10992.11.camel@lakritstrollet.cb.uu.se>

On page http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/unix.html
As far as I see it, one should add (since it isn't default)

-d $HOME/.hammie.db

Procmail, sec. 4.

      :0fw:hamlock
      | /usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py

becomes:

      :0fw:hamlock
      | /usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py -d $HOME/.hammie.db

Cheers!
/Joakim



From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 13:51:14 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:51:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <746C604326E7D311BB2500D0B747486E420C5C@HSE001>
References: <746C604326E7D311BB2500D0B747486E420C5C@HSE001>
Message-ID: <16185.10514.885518.720179@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Jim> Your work on this Bayesian anti-spam filter is very good news.
    Jim> Will it work with Eudora?

You can use pop3proxy or imapfilter with Eudora.  There's no tightly
integrated plugin as there is for Outlook though.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 13:54:57 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:55:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] procmail not executing hammiefilter.py
In-Reply-To: <20030812173309.GA6077@ralph.worldwinner.com>
References: <20030812173309.GA6077@ralph.worldwinner.com>
Message-ID: <16185.10737.945695.463759@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    John> i'd like to get spambayes to run, but procmail doesn't let me. i
    John> get stuff like this in the logs:

    John> procmail: Executing "/home/johns/bin/spambayes/hammiefilter.py"
    John>   File "/home/johns/bin/spambayes/hammiefilter.py", line 89
    John>     print >> sys.stderr, msg
    John>            ^
    John> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
    John> procmail: Program failure (1) of
    John> "/home/johns/bin/spambayes/hammiefilter.py"

Sounds like you're getting an old version of Python.  If hammiefilter.py is
run with a minimalist PATH it's probably picking up /usr/bin/python or
/usr/local/bin/python.

Skip



From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 13:56:55 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 13:57:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Doc: Spambayes on Unix or Linux
In-Reply-To: <1060710319.10992.11.camel@lakritstrollet.cb.uu.se>
References: <1060710319.10992.11.camel@lakritstrollet.cb.uu.se>
Message-ID: <16185.10855.380751.370850@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Joakim> On page http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/unix.html As far as I
    Joakim> see it, one should add (since it isn't default)

    Joakim> -d $HOME/.hammie.db

    ...

That's not strictly necessary, since the database can also be specified in
your bayescustomize.ini file.

Skip

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 12 15:00:27 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:01:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0FC@SPIKE.city>

Spambayes would have to forge the non-deliverable message. If it accidentally allowed your email address into the headers, that "feature" might do more harm than good.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: amcmillan@chapura.com [mailto:amcmillan@chapura.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job
> 
> 
> ...
>  
> Option request:
> What I would really love to see is an option on a spam filter
> so that when something is seen as spam it sends a non-deliverable
> message to the sender. I am not sure what doing this would entail,
> but maybe that way my ten year old email address might start
> working its way off of some of these list.

From whit at dubhlinn.com  Tue Aug 12 12:04:11 2003
From: whit at dubhlinn.com (Kendall Whitlatch)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:04:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie question on non-standard POP3 client
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A58@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3A58@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <698160459.20030812110411@dubhlinn.com>

Interesting..

I ran Telnet on my mail server and got a representative example of the
output from the commands below.

I then ran Telnet on localhost. It cleared the screen and as soon as I
hit the left-shift button to start typing in uppercase, it dropped
back to the dos shell prompt.

Tony,
Thanks for helping out with this!
 
Best regards,
 Kendall Whitlatch
 mailto:whit@dubhlinn.com

Monday, August 11, 2003, 11:49:38 PM, you wrote:

>> ok... Looks like I had one configuration problem with the 
>> client. I was pointing it to port 8880.

MT> As you've no doubt figured, localhost:8880 is the web interface.

>> Once I set it to port 110 I got a failure. Before I was waiting up
>> to 15 minutes to time-out.

MT> Wow, The Bat! is very generous...

>> Here's the log file results:
MT> [...]
>> -ERR authorization first

MT> Odd.  I wondered if maybe this was The Bat! doing something strange, but
MT> I downloaded & installed it and it works fine.  You get an "-ERR
MT> authorization first" error if you try to retrieve (etc) mail without
MT> logging in first, but the proxy should just be forwarding on those
MT> commands.

>> If I telnet to localhost 110 in a dosh shell I get a blank 
>> window. If it hit <enter> it exits out to the shell prompt again.

MT> Sounds like the proxy is working then (although I would have expected a
MT> "+OK message" line to appear).

MT> Could you try telnetting again, typing "USER username", then "PASS
MT> password", then "LIST"?  (replacing username and password with the
MT> appropriate values).  It should show a +OK message after each command
MT> and then a list of the messages after the LIST command.

MT> Richie - any ideas?

MT> =Tony Meyer



From okapi at watson.org  Tue Aug 12 15:20:50 2003
From: okapi at watson.org (Steve Wardell)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:21:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus scanning software with outlook plugin
Message-ID: <3F393002.5000601@watson.org>

I have the outlook plug-in installed and it's working great. However, my 
Norton Anti-Virus software gives warning of viruses when SpamBayes comes 
across a message with a virus attachment. Is this normal and is there no 
danger? If so, this might want to be mentioned in the FAQ.

Thanks,
Steve


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 15:35:12 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:35:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes : contribution
In-Reply-To: <159ijvgekl9go0bgtu0hq26rk195hq6d2l@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEECMGKAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tim]
>> If we wait a few months, the PSF is currently paying a lawyer to
>> review a "joint ownership" contribution agreement, enabling the PSF
>> and a contributor to effectively share copyright.

[Richie Hindle]
> That's a good idea - could you keep us (or more likely spambayes-dev)
> up to date with what happens?  Ta.

Oh sure.  It will be publicized when it happens <wink>.  An already
out-of-date draft is in the

    Proposed Contributor Agreement

section at

    http://www.python.org/psf/psf-contributor-agreement.html


From edrubins at andisplace.com  Tue Aug 12 15:51:32 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:51:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>

Jim>> Your work on this Bayesian anti-spam filter is very good news.
Jim>> Will it work with Eudora?

Skip> You can use pop3proxy or imapfilter with Eudora. There's no tightly
Skip> integrated plugin as there is for Outlook though.

If you are using multiple personalities pointing to different servers 
you'll have to edit eudora.ini. Email me off list for specifics. Or, if 
someone will tell me to get the information into the FAQ, I'll dress it up 
and submit it.

Best, Ed



From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Aug 12 12:56:05 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:57:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F393845.CD242CE9@whidbey.com>

Ed Rubinsky wrote:

> If you are using multiple personalities pointing to different servers
> you'll have to edit eudora.ini. Email me off list for specifics. Or, if
> someone will tell me to get the information into the FAQ, I'll dress it up
> and submit it.

Get the information in the FAQ. Thre, you've been told.

Van


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From fasty at i-sphere.com  Tue Aug 12 13:00:03 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Tue Aug 12 14:59:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812115505.02b9fc40@mail.i-sphere.com>

You should make a addon for Eudora. I am not expert programmer.



At 02:51 PM 8/12/2003 -0400, Ed Rubinsky wrote:
>Jim>> Your work on this Bayesian anti-spam filter is very good news.
>Jim>> Will it work with Eudora?
>
>Skip> You can use pop3proxy or imapfilter with Eudora. There's no tightly
>Skip> integrated plugin as there is for Outlook though.
>
>If you are using multiple personalities pointing to different servers 
>you'll have to edit eudora.ini. Email me off list for specifics. Or, if 
>someone will tell me to get the information into the FAQ, I'll dress it up 
>and submit it.
>
>Best, Ed
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Tue Aug 12 13:05:40 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Tue Aug 12 15:04:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812115505.02b9fc40@mail.i-sphere.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812120428.02ba34b0@mail.i-sphere.com>

Here the Eudora SDK so you can develop the add-in intergation with 
spambayes! :D

http://www.eudora.com/developers/emsapi/


From wk5657 at henleykidd.ns01.us  Tue Aug 12 14:17:00 2003
From: wk5657 at henleykidd.ns01.us (G. Wayne Kidd)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:17:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integration with a Postfix System
Message-ID: <34123.66.47.248.55.1060719420.squirrel@smtp.henleykidd.ns01.us>

I set up small email servers for families.  They are on Linux servers that
have Courier IMAP / Postfix / and currently Spamassassin.  The client
emails are done with whatever IMAP capable email client the user wants
(MAC, Windoze-Outlook, Windows other, Linux (not many), etc.  Spamassassin
comes into play because of a mailbox command called maildrop that calls
the spamassassin to filter the mail before placing it in mailboxes.  Could
I use spambayes in my environment.  I also use SquirrelMail for web
access.

Thanks in advance.

Wayne



From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 16:17:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:17:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Simply n-way classifier
Message-ID: <16185.19292.111612.453684@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I checked in a simple n-way classifier to the contrib directory just now.
Executing 'python nway.py -h" should give interested parties a reasonable
idea of how to use it and create databases for it.

Skip



From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 16:23:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:23:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
Message-ID: <16185.19625.260975.284695@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Ed> Or, if someone will tell me to get the information into the FAQ,
    Ed> I'll dress it up and submit it.

That's easy. ;-)  Grab

    http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.txt

add the question and answer to the relevant section and post a context diff
between the before and after versions to spambayes-dev@python.org.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 16:25:50 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:26:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812115505.02b9fc40@mail.i-sphere.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20030812115505.02b9fc40@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <16185.19790.530847.20723@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    fasty> You should make a addon for Eudora. I am not expert programmer.

You shouldn't need to be a programmer at all to use the pop3proxy.py program
with Eudora.  The business of having to edit your eudora.ini file directly
is simply that Eudora's GUI interface doesn't allow to to make this
particular change.  At best, you should only need to master Notepad or
TextEdit to apply the changes Ed will add to the FAQ.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 12 16:27:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:27:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812120428.02ba34b0@mail.i-sphere.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20030812120428.02ba34b0@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <16185.19883.473952.813953@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    fasty> Here the Eudora SDK so you can develop the add-in intergation
    fasty> with spambayes! :D

    fasty> http://www.eudora.com/developers/emsapi/

Yeah, I already know about it (I suspect others do as well).  If I used
Eudora as my mail program, there'd probably be a bit more motivation to do
something like that.  Is pop3proxy.py not sufficient for your needs, at
least for now?

Skip

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Tue Aug 12 14:41:51 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:41:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <16185.19790.530847.20723@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812115505.02b9fc40@mail.i-sphere.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20030812144742.00adc538@localhost>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20030812115505.02b9fc40@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812134105.02ba2df8@mail.i-sphere.com>

Yeah, Ed Rubinsky just explained me recently ago. I understood. Just 
discard my previous email. Thanks anyway! :)

At 03:25 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>     fasty> You should make a addon for Eudora. I am not expert programmer.
>
>You shouldn't need to be a programmer at all to use the pop3proxy.py program
>with Eudora.  The business of having to edit your eudora.ini file directly
>is simply that Eudora's GUI interface doesn't allow to to make this
>particular change.  At best, you should only need to master Notepad or
>TextEdit to apply the changes Ed will add to the FAQ.
>
>Skip

-trev
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(Death to Spam!)

From aidan at homes.com  Tue Aug 12 17:40:49 2003
From: aidan at homes.com (Aidan Morales)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:42:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error with SpamBayes
Message-ID: <NGBBLPFACLKIDNBEBNNPOEJGJBAA.aidan@homes.com>

I have been using SpamBayes for a few months and it has worked wonderfully!
Last night I was infected with the virus w32.blaster.worm and since then the
program will not work properly for me.  The virus has been fully removed and
I have even unistalled and reinstalled the newest version of SpamBayes to no
avail.

Here's what happens...   I have trained my junk mail with over 15000 junk
messages, when a message is rec'd it scores it properly but will not move
the message for anything over 90% score.  Possible junkmail moves properly.
The 90+ scored junk mail just stays in my inbox scores showing.  When I try
and run the filter manually its like it doesn't even see it.  When I try and
"delete as spam" manually it doesn't do anything.  Even stranger, if I
recover a junk mail msg and then delete as spam it works and moves the
message back to the spam folder.

How do I make this work again???

Please help.  Thank you in advance for your time.

Aidan Morales
Activation & Project Manager
HOMES.COM
877.853.1698 x185
850.574.3771 fax
moralesa@homes.com <mailto:moralesa@homes.com>
http://www.homes.com

"Quality service, one customer at a time!"


From mikes at members-insurance.com  Tue Aug 12 17:53:49 2003
From: mikes at members-insurance.com (Michael K. Schummers)
Date: Tue Aug 12 16:53:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Binary v 0.7
Message-ID: <00b001c36113$d55eab50$d60000c8@PRK94>

I recently downloaded the new binary and installed on two machines, both XP
SP1 - one with Outlook 2002 and one with Outlook 2000. I had previously
added two of the delay timer parameters (v 0.6)to target some mail messages
not being scored. I removed these with the installation of v7. All mail
messages seemed to be scored now and the quirky problem of the displayed
score being different that the score displayed in Spam Clues seems to be
gone.
?
However, I am seeing two quirks. Some messages in both the Inbox and Spam
folders do not display any score (i.e. the field displayed is blank/empty).
When you look at the Spam Clues for this message under Spam Manager, the
message is scored (as is also evident from the fact that the message was
moved to the Spam folder). So far, I have not seen any messages moved to the
Unsure folder that don't display a score. I have removed the display field
for the score and re-displayed the Spam field with no effect in both Inbox
and Spam folders. I have also noticed that SpamBayes no longer shows as a
COM add-in. It doesn't seem to show in any add-in displays that I have
found. The documentation indicates that it should show as a COM add-in in
Outlook 2002 (at least).
?
The good news is that everything seems to be working fine but some Spam
scores are not displaying. I am not sure if I should be worried if SpamBayes
doesn't show as a COM add-in or not. For your infomation.
Michael K. Schummers
General Manager

?
?
?
?
?
(859) 455-7317
HYPERLINK "mailto:mikes@members-insurance.com"mikes@members-insurance.com

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From Steve at HaHaHa.com.au  Wed Aug 13 08:52:02 2003
From: Steve at HaHaHa.com.au (Steve Davis)
Date: Tue Aug 12 17:52:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving sam in Outlook
Message-ID: <002901c3611b$f7024c00$0100a8c0@office>

As I train SpamBayes it is getting better and better!
 
I received one piece of spam today that was scored as 93% but I would
like to follow up on it.  Not every day you can make a large booking at
the motel of a spammer in your local area  :o)  The bastard has even
used an email address that has been harvested!
 
In Outlook I dragged the email back to my inbox so I can call them after
0900 and the score then dropped to 3%.  I said "delete as spam" and it
went back to spam box at 100% as expected.  When I moved it back to
inbox, 3% again.
 
Is this a 'feature"?
 
All the best 
Steve Davis 

 <http://www.hahaha.com.au/> www.HaHaHa.com.au
 <mailto:steve@hahaha.com.au> steve@HaHaHa.com.au 

People without a sense of humour are at the mercy of the rest of us


########################################################################
############### 

This email is copyright, trade marked and written in a secret code that
is uncrackable by ASIO, the CIA or
anyone over 7 years of age.  

I am tired of dealing with virusii so I use virus scanning software
(PC-Cillin), a firewall (Zone Alarm) and a
condom (Ansell)  to protect me.  My computer has no protection at all.

If you have received the "Snow White" virus from hahaha@sexyfun.com and
want to complain to me at
hahaha.com.au, don't make yourself look silly by not knowing the
difference between a username and a 
domain name like dozens who precede you.

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 10:20:49 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 12 19:20:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moving sam in Outlook
In-Reply-To: <002901c3611b$f7024c00$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <04ca01c36128$5e17ccb0$f502a8c0@eden>


> In Outlook I dragged the email back to my inbox so I can call
> them after
> 0900 and the score then dropped to 3%.  I said "delete as spam" and it
> went back to spam box at 100% as expected.  When I moved it back to
> inbox, 3% again.
>
> Is this a 'feature"?

Yep - this is just reflecting how SpamBayes works:

* First time it comes in, it has a mix of words already trained (mainly
spam) and a few words unique to the Spam.  This puts it at 93.
* You train as ham.  This shifts the word count on *all* words in the mail.
The words that were very spammy are now less so, but the unique words in
this message are now strong ham indicators, as they appear only in good
messages.  The total comes in at 0%
* You train as spam.  The other training is undone, so we are back to mainly
spammy words.  We then train as spam - this makes those spammy words even
spammier, and like above, now makes the unique words strong spam indicators.
We are back to 100%.

The fact that a single message has such a large effect is more a symptom of
a fairly small training database.  As your database gets larger, you find
that single messages will have less effect.

Mark.


From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Aug 12 17:38:36 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue Aug 12 19:38:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Wild one
References: <002901c3611b$f7024c00$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <3F397A7C.DBF8A36E@whidbey.com>

This has *got* to be targetted at us, given the number of random strings
they are including in hidden text. Also note that there is no <body> tag,
possibly to confuse HTML parsing?

Van

Subject: literami UMW Make yourself Rich
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
To: vanhorn@whidbey.com
X-Sender: Emilio Bellavia  <lorkan@afalina.net>
Message-Id: <8x2e9tamlchl0dd29$3i3b0q06pb0.lorkan@afalina.net>
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:31:31 -0-100
From: Emilio Bellavia  <lorkan@afalina.net>
X-Spambayes-Classification: ham
X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability: 0.0565997915183
X-Spambayes-MailId: 1060727829-2
X-Mozilla-Status: 8001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
X-UIDL: f30a27858e149b03effb80a2eebca9e5


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From jdouglas at scopicmedia.com  Tue Aug 12 21:22:52 2003
From: jdouglas at scopicmedia.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Tue Aug 12 20:22:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] feature request - stats
Message-ID: <1060734172.6212.3.camel@jaydrake>

Is there any current way or plan to implement some sort of statistics
page to the SpamBayes Web Interface? I'd like to see things like # of
misclassified emails, and the more I can break it down (monthly, daily,
etc), the better.

Part of the reason for this is I am evaluating it against other Bayesian
filters (although so far it seems to be the winner!).

Thank you for your time, and any response, at your convenience, would be
appreciated.


________________________________________________________________________
Jason Douglas
Web Application Developer
http://scopicmedia.ca/
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 12:04:55 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 12 21:04:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Binary v 0.7
In-Reply-To: <00b001c36113$d55eab50$d60000c8@PRK94>
Message-ID: <055501c36136$e95cd7d0$f502a8c0@eden>

> However, I am seeing two quirks. Some messages in both the
> Inbox and Spam
> folders do not display any score (i.e. the field displayed is
> blank/empty).
> When you look at the Spam Clues for this message under Spam
> Manager, the
> message is scored (as is also evident from the fact that the
> message was
> moved to the Spam folder).

So the filtering is working OK, but no spam score showing?  Is is possible
these message come from an IMAP or Hotmail server?

> So far, I have not seen any
> messages moved to the
> Unsure folder that don't display a score. I have removed the
> display field
> for the score and re-displayed the Spam field with no effect
> in both Inbox
> and Spam folders. I have also noticed that SpamBayes no
> longer shows as a
> COM add-in. It doesn't seem to show in any add-in displays that I have
> found. The documentation indicates that it should show as a
> COM add-in in
> Outlook 2002 (at least).

It seems to work in Outlook 2000, which is all I have - but even then I
haven't checked this is still true in the most recent binaries.

I have no idea how they decide to display the addin in the dialog, but it
never shows up if you are running the source-code version.

> The good news is that everything seems to be working fine but
> some Spam
> scores are not displaying. I am not sure if I should be
> worried if SpamBayes
> doesn't show as a COM add-in or not.

If you are not sure if to be worried about something or not, the general
answer is that you shouldn't <wink>.

Mark.



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 12:06:48 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 12 21:06:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error with SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLPFACLKIDNBEBNNPOEJGJBAA.aidan@homes.com>
Message-ID: <056201c36137$2ccca310$f502a8c0@eden>

I suggest you go back to the "Filter" dialog, and re-select the "Spam"
folder - maybe this got lost or screwed up.  If that fails, see the
"troubleshooting" guide for how to locate a log file and reply (to the list)
with that attached.

Thanks,

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Aidan Morales
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2003 6:41 AM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Error with SpamBayes
> Importance: High
>
>
> I have been using SpamBayes for a few months and it has
> worked wonderfully!
> Last night I was infected with the virus w32.blaster.worm and
> since then the
> program will not work properly for me.  The virus has been
> fully removed and
> I have even unistalled and reinstalled the newest version of
> SpamBayes to no
> avail.
>
> Here's what happens...   I have trained my junk mail with
> over 15000 junk
> messages, when a message is rec'd it scores it properly but
> will not move
> the message for anything over 90% score.  Possible junkmail
> moves properly.
> The 90+ scored junk mail just stays in my inbox scores
> showing.  When I try
> and run the filter manually its like it doesn't even see it.
> When I try and
> "delete as spam" manually it doesn't do anything.  Even stranger, if I
> recover a junk mail msg and then delete as spam it works and moves the
> message back to the spam folder.
>
> How do I make this work again???
>
> Please help.  Thank you in advance for your time.
>
> Aidan Morales
> Activation & Project Manager
> HOMES.COM
> 877.853.1698 x185
> 850.574.3771 fax
> moralesa@homes.com <mailto:moralesa@homes.com>
> http://www.homes.com
>
> "Quality service, one customer at a time!"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 12:22:17 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 12 21:22:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Any Outlook source-code users with hotmail/IMAP
	accounts?
Message-ID: <057a01c36139$576e1c50$f502a8c0@eden>

There are a few things we could do to clean up the processing of IMAP and
hotmail messages.  Specifically, I believe we *could* save the Spam field
for messages after we have moved them, and clean up the log messages.

Is anyone here running from source code that uses Outlook in this way, and
willing to help me experiment?

Alternatively, does anyone have a spare CD of Outlook XP? <wink>

Thanks,

Mark.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 23:00:29 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Aug 12 22:01:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Wild one
In-Reply-To: <3F397A7C.DBF8A36E@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAENHFCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[G. Armour Van Horn]
> This has *got* to be targetted at us, given the number of random
> strings they are including in hidden text.

In general, random strings have no effect on spambayes scores:  e.g., it's
generally the first time we've seen the token "callpapakhi", and so that
word gets a spamprob of 0.5, and is therefore entirely ignored.

> Also note that there is no <body> tag, possibly to confuse HTML parsing?

Possibly, but that has no effect on us either.  We don't do "real" HTML
parsing, and ill-formed HTML doesn't bother us.

> Van
>
> Subject: literami UMW Make yourself Rich
> ...
> X-Spambayes-Classification: ham
> X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability: 0.0565997915183

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of why the score came out that
way for you.  The quoted message scored as solid spam for me; it simply
didn't contain any tricks that cause any trouble for spambayes.  Unless
maybe you're using a (by now) very old version of the tokenizer?


From aidan at homes.com  Tue Aug 12 23:07:26 2003
From: aidan at homes.com (Aidan Morales)
Date: Tue Aug 12 22:10:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error with SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <056201c36137$2ccca310$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <NGBBLPFACLKIDNBEBNNPGELAJBAA.aidan@homes.com>

I have tried that without success.  Attached are the 4 log files.

Thank you SO much for your help with this..  you guys are life savers!!!  I
look forward to your reply.

Aidan Morales

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:07 PM
To: aidan@homes.com; SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Error with SpamBayes


I suggest you go back to the "Filter" dialog, and re-select the "Spam"
folder - maybe this got lost or screwed up.  If that fails, see the
"troubleshooting" guide for how to locate a log file and reply (to the list)
with that attached.

Thanks,

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Aidan Morales
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2003 6:41 AM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Error with SpamBayes
> Importance: High
>
>
> I have been using SpamBayes for a few months and it has
> worked wonderfully!
> Last night I was infected with the virus w32.blaster.worm and
> since then the
> program will not work properly for me.  The virus has been
> fully removed and
> I have even unistalled and reinstalled the newest version of
> SpamBayes to no
> avail.
>
> Here's what happens...   I have trained my junk mail with
> over 15000 junk
> messages, when a message is rec'd it scores it properly but
> will not move
> the message for anything over 90% score.  Possible junkmail
> moves properly.
> The 90+ scored junk mail just stays in my inbox scores
> showing.  When I try
> and run the filter manually its like it doesn't even see it.
> When I try and
> "delete as spam" manually it doesn't do anything.  Even stranger, if I
> recover a junk mail msg and then delete as spam it works and moves the
> message back to the spam folder.
>
> How do I make this work again???
>
> Please help.  Thank you in advance for your time.
>
> Aidan Morales
> Activation & Project Manager
> HOMES.COM
> 877.853.1698 x185
> 850.574.3771 fax
> moralesa@homes.com <mailto:moralesa@homes.com>
> http://www.homes.com
>
> "Quality service, one customer at a time!"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
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From hts at hts.com.au  Wed Aug 13 13:26:57 2003
From: hts at hts.com.au (Steve Farmer)
Date: Tue Aug 12 22:26:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SMTP Solutions
Message-ID: <p0433010fbb5f51f6ed55@[192.168.1.10]>

Hi all,

Since there has been some talk about SMTP server solutions, I thought 
I would mention MailScanner

http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/

Works with spamassasin but does not seem so good at removing spam, 
but does a great job on viruses.

I am implementing it in conjunction with spambayes

Regards
Steve
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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 12 23:47:54 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 12 22:49:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Any Outlook source-code users with
	hotmail/IMAPaccounts?
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0FD@SPIKE.city>

You should ask Bill to damnwell give you one! What you guys are doing may eventually save him $n,000,000 in lawsuits; and if he had had the wit to do it with his own programmers, *that* would have cost him a very goodly sum. For a beasly $300, he'll be getting a bargain!  ;^)

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:22 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Any Outlook source-code users with
> hotmail/IMAPaccounts?
> 
> 
> There are a few things we could do to clean up the processing 
> of IMAP and hotmail messages.  Specifically, I believe we *could*
> save the Spam field for messages after we have moved them, and
> clean up the log messages.
> 
> Is anyone here running from source code that uses Outlook in 
> this way, and willing to help me experiment?
> 
> Alternatively, does anyone have a spare CD of Outlook XP? <wink>
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark.

From pk at QuixNet.net  Tue Aug 12 12:36:48 2003
From: pk at QuixNet.net (Patrick Keith)
Date: Tue Aug 12 22:53:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] potentially stupid question
Message-ID: <001201c36145$a06de460$d5589341@0021905282>

Hello,

Can I use SpamBayes with a hotmail account?  If so, how so?

Thank you.

PK
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 15:07:52 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:07:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] potentially stupid question
In-Reply-To: <001201c36145$a06de460$d5589341@0021905282>
Message-ID: <062001c36150$780b24a0$f502a8c0@eden>

It should work OK - just get SpamBayes to watch the Hotmail inbox for Spam.
Note however that we can't save the score for such messages - you have to
check the "Spam Clues" to see how they rated - but they should still filter
OK.

However, at least one person is having trouble - see
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=787676&group_id
=61702

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Keith
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2003 4:37 AM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] potentially stupid question
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Can I use SpamBayes with a hotmail account?  If so, how so?
>
> Thank you.
>
> PK
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 17:12:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:13:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D03@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> One feature that I noticed on another Outlook plugin that I 
> used that was nice, was the ability that when spam is moved 
> into the spam folder, the message is marked as read.   

You can do this with the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in too.  See the
"Additional Options" section of the configuration guide (accessible from
the "About" page).  I imagine that these will make it into the options
exposed in Outlook one day.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 17:25:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:26:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D17@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Which
> motivates me to check on an assumption under which I had been 
> operating, i.e. that deleting messages from either the 
> "Definite" folder or the "Ambiguous" folder has no training 
> effect. Is that in fact the case?

That is the case.  Moving a message *into* a folder may result in
training but moving *out* of a folder will not.  (And if the folder you
are moving *into* is the Deleted Items folder, then there will
definitely *not* be any training, because that folder can't be watched).

> I also assume that there's
> no training effect if I move a message out of the "Ambiguous" 
> folder without specifying that it is or isn't spam. Am I 
> right about that?

Same answer - no training if you move out.  If, however you move from
your "Ambiguous" folder to a folder you have designated as spam, for
example (whether via the "Delete as spam" button, or just dragging),
then it will be trained, because it is moving *into* the spam folder.

> A related question: If I move a message from the "Definite"
> folder to a folder other than the one in which Spambayes 
> found it, does that have a training effect?

The above should answer this too.

> More 
> specifically, if I want to add to my library of spam (which I 
> use to start up new Spambayes users), can I safely do it by 
> moving messages from the "Definite" folder to my "Sample 
> spam" folder? Or do I have to copy the messages and then 
> delete them from the "Definite" folder?

The former should be fine.  (Unless you retrain from scratch, of
course).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 17:27:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:28:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Problems
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D1A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I wanted to install your plugin for outlookXP but I'm getting 
> the following mmessage:
> 
> "You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam"

Please see FAQ 3.8:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

If you've done everything listed there, but you still get the message,
then you might have found a bug - the troubleshooting guide has
information about what to do in that case.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 17:28:22 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:29:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing problem
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D1B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I installed spambayes no problems but I can't "enable it". 
> I ran  regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll it says that it register 
> OK but I can't see it in the Outlooks AddIns. No filtering is 
> done and "delete as spam" shows "you need to enable 
> spambayes". Windows XP Sp1, Spambayes binary version 07/2003. Thanks.

Please see FAQ 3.8:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

If you've done everything listed there, but you still get the message,
then you might have found a bug - the troubleshooting guide has
information about what to do in that case.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 15:33:05 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:33:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted Email Can't Be Tagged
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D17@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <064d01c36153$fdc98c50$f502a8c0@eden>

[Tony]
> That is the case.  Moving a message *into* a folder may result in
> training but moving *out* of a folder will not.  (And if the 
> folder you
> are moving *into* is the Deleted Items folder, then there will
> definitely *not* be any training, because that folder can't 
> be watched).

Just to clarify - everything Tony said is completely correct, assuming the
top 2 checkboxes on the SpamBayes manager dialog are selected.  If you
de-select these, only an explicit "delete as spam"/"recover from spam" will
perform training, so you can manually move messages around to your hearts
content.

Mark.
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 17:35:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:36:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SMTP Solutions
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D21@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Since there has been some talk about SMTP server solutions, I thought 
> I would mention MailScanner
[...]
> I am implementing it in conjunction with spambayes

If you could drop us a message when you've done, letting us know how you
went, and (if possible & applicable) any changes you had to make to
things, so that we could let others know this, that would be great!

Thanks,
Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 13 00:54:06 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:54:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] potentially stupid question
In-Reply-To: <001201c36145$a06de460$d5589341@0021905282>
References: <001201c36145$a06de460$d5589341@0021905282>
Message-ID: <16185.50286.425658.745330@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    PK> Can I use SpamBayes with a hotmail account?  If so, how so?

Does Hotmail allow you to use something other than a web browser as your
mail program?  If so, you could stick the pop3proxy between Hotmail.com and
your mail program.

I just signed up for a Hotmail account.  Doesn't look like there's an
obvious way to read my mail using anything but a web browser.  There are
probably tools available on the net which allow you to grab your mail and
stuff it in folder on your computer though.  You might need to do a bit of
hunting, but there's probably something out there.

Skip


From gandalf at python.eu.org  Wed Aug 13 01:54:12 2003
From: gandalf at python.eu.org (Vladimir Ulogov)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:54:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Permission to use spambayes library in my application.
Message-ID: <3F39C474.3080307@python.eu.org>

Respectable spambayes team,
I'm working on spam filtering mailproxy, and like to get you permission 
to use spambayes module in my application. The appliaction uses Python 
as extention engine but the core is C-coded. My application uses a few 
methods in order to separate spam from ham. This includes pattern 
searching, dictionary searching including lexical proximity search and I 
  think the bayesian scanning will improve functionality of my spam 
proxy. The application isn't available to the public yet and for now I'm 
performing testing of the first public release, which planning to be at 
end of augist, begin of september.

Thank you for the great library.

-- 
Vladimir Ulogov <gandalf@python.eu.org>
"You can look at the sun using a telescope twice.
Once with your left eye and once with your right."



*** Semarg mail proxy ver 1.2

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 17:58:50 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 00:59:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] potentially stupid question
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D3C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Does Hotmail allow you to use something other than a web 
> browser as your mail program?  If so, you could stick the 
> pop3proxy between Hotmail.com and your mail program.

Outlook and Outlook Express allow you to read mail on hotmail accounts,
but they do it via some http transactions, not POP3.  In theory the
Outlook plugin works, but having also just signed up for a hotmail
account (you didn't take spambayes@hotmail.com, did you?  Someone
did...), I'm having a terrible time trying to get Outlook to connect to
it to prove that it does work...

I have succeeded with OE in the past, though.  However, the pop3proxy
wouldn't work here - we'd need a http proxy.  I'm not sure there is a
solution here, really, given the difficulty of creating a plugin for OE.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 16:10:43 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug 13 01:10:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Permission to use spambayes library in my application.
In-Reply-To: <3F39C474.3080307@python.eu.org>
Message-ID: <066c01c36159$3fccb5f0$f502a8c0@eden>

> Respectable spambayes team,
> I'm working on spam filtering mailproxy, and like to get you
> permission
> to use spambayes module in my application.

You don't need permission <wink>.  See LICENSE.txt that comes with the tool
(or online at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/LICENSE.txt)

Mark.


From mjeaya069 at rogers.com  Wed Aug 13 02:50:29 2003
From: mjeaya069 at rogers.com (Mark Jeays)
Date: Wed Aug 13 01:49:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] stats feature
In-Reply-To: <E19ml62-0006jv-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <CPEGLKEIMDOBFBCDOBMLGEEACDAA.mjeaya069@rogers.com>

I've been hacking around with spambayes trying to add a feature that keeps
track of some rudimentary stats. I've attached a screenshot of what it looks
like on my system now (I added a button to the main manager dialog). Is
there any interest in this? I would have to do a little bit more work to
factor it out into something presentable but should have some time within
the next couple of days.

Mark Jeays
http://jeays.net
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From fasty at i-sphere.com  Tue Aug 12 23:54:49 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Wed Aug 13 01:54:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] stats feature
In-Reply-To: <CPEGLKEIMDOBFBCDOBMLGEEACDAA.mjeaya069@rogers.com>
References: <E19ml62-0006jv-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030812225339.00bc6008@mail.i-sphere.com>

That's very COOL!

Hey How do you get 3 group into percentage? I wrote a shell scripting 
collect all statistical
and I forgot how get 3 group into percentage. Can you tell me what the 
format in math?

thanks!

At 01:50 AM 8/13/2003 -0400, Mark Jeays wrote:
>I've been hacking around with spambayes trying to add a feature that keeps
>track of some rudimentary stats. I've attached a screenshot of what it looks
>like on my system now (I added a button to the main manager dialog). Is
>there any interest in this? I would have to do a little bit more work to
>factor it out into something presentable but should have some time within
>the next couple of days.
>
>Mark Jeays
>http://jeays.net
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 13 17:03:12 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug 13 02:03:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] stats feature
In-Reply-To: <CPEGLKEIMDOBFBCDOBMLGEEACDAA.mjeaya069@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <069001c36160$93dfd3a0$f502a8c0@eden>

> I've been hacking around with spambayes trying to add a
> feature that keeps
> track of some rudimentary stats. I've attached a screenshot
> of what it looks
> like on my system now (I added a button to the main manager
> dialog). Is
> there any interest in this? I would have to do a little bit
> more work to
> factor it out into something presentable but should have some
> time within
> the next couple of days.

Yeah, that sounds good.  There is already a "stats" object, so hopefully you
are using that (or replacing that with whatever you have come up with).

Please submit a patch to source-forge.  It would be best if you did it as 2
patches - one just to keep the stats, and the other for any associated UI.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 19:32:00 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 02:32:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My adventures with Spambayes...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D70@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The following is a record of the hacks I had to 
> apply to get it to work.  I am posting this in hope this is 
> will be of some use to those noble folks who are developing this code.

Thanks - much appreciated.  Imapfilter was developed somewhat later than
most of the rest of the code, and is probably used least of all, so is
most in need of help.

> The first problem I ran into was:
[...]
>   File "imapfilter.py", line 740, in run
>     pwd = options["imap", "password"][0]
> IndexError: tuple index out of range
> 
> After adding the "-p" option, I was able to set things up 
> from the web page.

Checked a fix into cvs for this, thanks.

> Next, I tried training the filter, but kept getting:
> 
> imaplib.error: APPEND command error: BAD ['Invalid date-time 
> in Append command']
> 
> Added some print statements to see what was going on.  After 
> staring at the time string that caused the problem for a long 
> time, I finally figured out the what was causing the error. 
> The last part of the time was "+000" instead of "+0000". 
[...]

Hmm - haven't seen this before.  This is very strange - we get the
date/time from the fetch response, preferably, and if that fails, we use
imaplib's Time2Internaldate function to convert either the message's
date header or the current time (if all else fails) to the right format.
I can't see how this could be Time2Internaldate's fault, because the
timezone is added with a "%+03d%02d" that forces the correct number of
digits.  This presumably leaves your imap server as the culprit.

If you run imapfilter with the switch "-i4" it will print out the imap
commands and responses - it would be interesting to know if this is the
case, and which imap server this is.  I suppose if it is the case, then
a patch like the one you used is the only solution.

> Next, I tried to classify my Inbox, but kept getting 
> assertion errors on "assert hamcount <= nham".  Added some 
> print statements to see what was going on:
[...]
>     assert hamcount <= nham
> AssertionError
> 
> Made the following modification to classifier.py to 
> workaround the problem:
[...]

This is just hiding a problem.  If that assertion fails, it means that
your database is screwed and that you need to retrain from scratch.
This is most likely a result of the failed training from the bad
appending.  Simply deleting the database file (probably hammie.db)
should fix the problem.

> Tried to classify my Inbox again:
[...]
>   File "imapfilter.py", line 157, in _extract_fetch_data
>     mo = FETCH_RESPONSE_RE.match(response)
> TypeError: expected string or buffer
> 
> Added code:
> 157,159d155
> <     if options["globals", "verbose"]:
> <         print "type(response):", type(response)
> <         print "response:", response
> 
> and repeated the command, but the error did not recur.

If it does reoccur, I'd be interested in knowing what the type was.  It
should either be a tuple or a string, and if it's a tuple, the first
element should be a string and that is used.  I haven't see this before.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 19:39:46 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 02:40:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam clues - what is it ?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D73@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> But after first morning filtering there are messages with 
> spam score 1 in my ham folder. Messages are not moved to
> spam folder regardless of spam score 1.  Is it bug ?  

Possibly.  Do you have the plug-in setup to filter that folder?  (as
opposed to just train on it)  Have you enabled filtering, and selected
"move" as the action to take for spam (and set the folder to move it
to?).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 19:49:01 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 02:49:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] feature request - stats
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D77@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Is there any current way or plan to implement some sort of 
> statistics page to the SpamBayes Web Interface? I'd like to 
> see things like # of misclassified emails, and the more I can 
> break it down (monthly, daily, etc), the better.

This is somewhat similar to [ 765924 ] Spam / ham statistics, although
that is for the Outlook plug-in.

<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=765924&group_i
d=61702&atid=498106>

Someone is in the process of submitting a patch that will, to an extent
at least, fill that request.  Once that's done, it might be simple
enough to copy the stats part of it and make an interface to it via the
web UI.

<thinking out loud>

What would be best, I suppose, is a global option that would
enable/disable stats recording, and adding this capability to the
Message (or SBHeaderMessage) object.  I suppose all it would need to do
is save an entry of the message id, time.time(), and the
classification/training each time a message is trained/classified
(technically, whenever this information is recorded, since that's all
the Message objects know).  Whatever wants to use the stats could work
on that.  If/when the Outlook plug-in uses the Message class, it could
also use this.  (Although that's a separate issue that really must be
sorted one of these days).

</thinking out loud>

After I see what the Outlook plugin offers, I'll see about adding this.
It's not likely to arrive in the next week, though <wink>.  (Unless you
do it, and submit a patch :)

=Tony Meyer

From bcw at wyz.com  Wed Aug 13 01:20:02 2003
From: bcw at wyz.com (Brian Crozier Whitaker, Esq.)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:22:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <002d01c3616b$7650fd40$6401a8c0@brian>


Brian Crozier Whitaker, Esq.
Due Process Legal Centers
10391-B Friars Road
San Diego, CA 92120
800-993-1998
From bcw at wyz.com  Wed Aug 13 01:19:57 2003
From: bcw at wyz.com (Brian Crozier Whitaker, Esq.)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:23:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] query?
Message-ID: <002c01c3616b$7621afe0$6401a8c0@brian>

Am I correct in concluding that I cannot use your software with Outlook Express? only with Outlook?

Brian Crozier Whitaker, Esq.
Due Process Legal Centers
10391-B Friars Road
San Diego, CA 92120
800-993-1998
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 20:24:47 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:25:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] query?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D7F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Am I correct in concluding that I cannot use your software 
> with Outlook Express? only with Outlook?

No, you are not (although this is misreported often).  See FAQ 2.1:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outl
ook-express>

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed Aug 13 18:25:44 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:25:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] query? 
In-Reply-To: <002c01c3616b$7621afe0$6401a8c0@brian> 
Message-ID: <200308130725.h7D7Pir4005693@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Brian Crozier Whitaker, Esq." wrote
> Am I correct in concluding that I cannot use your software with
> Outlook Express? only with Outlook?

The outlook plugin only works with Outlook. pop3proxy works fine with 
OE, however - check the website.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From shodan at lipetsk.ru  Wed Aug 13 12:32:05 2003
From: shodan at lipetsk.ru (Andrew Aksyonoff)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:28:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering based on headers only?
Message-ID: <8462949093.20030813113205@lipetsk.ru>

Hello.

I'm trying to setup SpamBayes to do training and spam filtering
based on headers only. This weird requirement is because I get lots
of spam and viruses in my e-mail, and don't want to download it all
from ISP, as we pay for incoming traffic here and its very costly
here. ;(

While examining the source to do necessary patches, I found out
that the block responsible for stats updating and messages cacheing
is under if command == 'RETR': - thus effectively preventing training
by headers only.

So the first question is - why is it so, and what do I do?
I can think of two answers:

1) I should keep the distribution untouched, actually download some
   spams, train SpamBayes on them, and then disable cacheing and hope
   that SpamBayes will do good enough detection and insert proper
   headers while MUA is doing header retrieval - despite it was
   trained on full messages with bodies.

2) Commenting out that if command == 'RETR' - and then training on
   headers only - is of course not as ok as training on bodies too,
   but should work.

Now, for the second question.
I get the following in the log (the message is spam BTW):

------------------------
+OK Message follows
Return-Path: <root@falcon.lipetsk.ru>
X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 2.0
Received: from pool-141-150-203-85.delv.east.verizon.net ([141.150.203.85]:36617
        "HELO compuserve.com") by falcon.lipetsk.ru with SMTP
        id <S678021AbTHMGxG>; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:53:06 +0400
Date:   Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:55:06 +0000
From:   bert@isis.msstate.edu
Subject: Re:??????????????v? ???????.
To:     Webmaster <webmaster@lipetsk.ru>
References: <DC0DK5869LC3287J@lipetsk.ru>
In-Reply-To: <DC0DK5869LC3287J@lipetsk.ru>
Message-ID: <9D07KEE5KAL75A7I@isis.msstate.edu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError('ascii' codec can't
        decode byte 0xcf in position 3: ordinal not in range(128)) in
        append() at C:\Program Files\Python\lib\email\Header.py line
        272: ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
------------------------

and it seems to me that exception instead of spam classification is
not what I really want. ;) However, that message (headers only) gets to the
cache OK, without any exceptions.

Could you please advice?
Thanks in advance.

- Andrew


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 20:33:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:35:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problems with spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D80@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> To eliminate possible problems, I've downloaded the CVS 
> version of SpamBayes.

Heh.  If the CVS version is really more stable than 1.0a4 we should
really be putting out a new release soon.  It's meant to be the other
way around.

> Your suggestion to switch to the python pickle method of data 
> storage appeals to me (I'm a bit of a Python hacker), but 
> it's not clear from the doco how to do this. I tried running 
> pop3proxy -D pickle.db, but it seems to keep trying to save 
> the file in db3 format.

I've just added information about this to the FAQ.  See 4.18:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-use-a-pickle-for-sto
rage>

I suspect the problem might be that you're still using a dbm file and
trying to get SpamBayes to treat it as a pickle (the bit at the end of
the FAQ, basically).  Let us know how you go :)

> > > 1) SMTP proxy hangs when I try to send mail
> > Do you get any sort of traceback?
> 
> No traceback - just a hang.

I presume this happens even when your database is ok?  (i.e. you don't
get the AssertionError message in the headers?)  What MUA do you use?
Would you rather be using smtpproxy for training than the web interface?
If so, I can give you a version with some debugging statements in it to
try and narrow this down (or you could do this for me ;)

> > > 2) Inbound messages are getting passed through, but are only
> > > intermittently appearing on the 'review' page on the 
> > > SpamBayes web interface
> I've noticed that if I bring up the config page, then save it 
> unchanged, the 'review' page suddenly starts showing the 
> latest emails received/processed. It's a workaround, but it 
> would be nice to not have to do this.

Do they fail to appear even when you click "refresh" (the spambayes
refresh, that is, not the browser one)?  I presume this is either a
problem with the browser not displaying (requesting) the new page, or
that somehow the Corpus objects aren't being updated when they should
be.  The former seems more likely.

> The problem went away for a while after deleting all program 
> and data files and reinstalling afresh from CVS. But after 
> about 30 messages, this problem has again appeared with every message.

If you're still using Python 2.2's dumbdbm, then this is probably the
culprit.  Give it a go with a pickle.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 20:37:29 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:38:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Issues with hammie.py and webpage
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D81@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> If this isn't supposed to work the way I intented it, you should
> probably modify the man-page.

I'll leave this for someone more familiar with hammie to answer.

> Second thing: On http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/docs.html the link
> for some of the docs point into CVS which will break 
> rendering at least here in Opera 6, e.g. the Troubleshooting Guide is 
> delivered as text/plain.

Hmm, works here in (win32) Opera 7.11.  There are plans afoot to have
local copies of those files, though, which would fix this.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 20:55:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:55:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering based on headers only?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D86@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm trying to setup SpamBayes to do training and spam 
> filtering based on headers only.

For reference, you might want to read the threads starting here:
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-May/005378.html>
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/001525.html>
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-October/001215.html>

> While examining the source to do necessary patches, I found 
> out that the block responsible for stats updating and 
> messages cacheing is under if command == 'RETR': - thus 
> effectively preventing training by headers only.

This is deliberate - otherwise you'd end up with a cache that had both
headers only (TOP) and full (RETR) versions of messages, which could
lead into all sorts of confusion.  Since you know what you want to do,
you should be fine with removing that constraint.

> Now, for the second question.
> I get the following in the log (the message is spam BTW):
[...]
> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError('ascii' 
[...]
> and it seems to me that exception instead of spam 
> classification is not what I really want. ;) However, that 
> message (headers only) gets to the cache OK, without any exceptions.

The idea here is that examining this message failed - something in the
Python email package raised an exception.  Instead of letting this
exception stop the execution of the proxy, we keep going, but let the
user know that something went wrong.  If you wanted to, you could add a
rule to your MUA that put all mail with the Spambayes-Exception header
into a separate folder - anedoctal reports suggest that these are
reasonably likely to be spam, so it could be put in the unsure folder.

Whenever a fix can be idenfied for the exception, this is applied, so
that the number of times this happens should reduce over time, but there
are always new ways to break the mail parsing...in particular, a new,
more tolerant, version of the parser is being worked on, so that might
result in large improvements.

=Tony Meyer

From markus at schretter.de  Wed Aug 13 10:55:51 2003
From: markus at schretter.de (Schretter Markus)
Date: Wed Aug 13 03:56:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug Report
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3JU2VXxX0kmQUwxzboFHI8KAAAAQAAAAu83jYrbRH06ZqLzwFx+shQEAAAAA@schretter.de>

Sorry, but after spending hours of installation I give up. It's not
possible to get SpamBayes running on my system. Maybe it's because

- I have a german version of WindowsXP and OutlookXP (10.4219.4219 SP-2)
- I have the latest Service Packs installed (Windows and Outlook)

I still get the message: "
"You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam"

Anyway:

- SpamBayes leaves a lot of entries in the registry after uninstall.
- and the outlook menu entries for it got messed up. I can not select
the SpamBayes manager any more. The menu just doesn't open. And this
happens also after a complete uninstall, removing registry entries and
reinstall. So there are still some other configuration files left after
uninstall.
- I've looked under deaktivated elements but nothing found. also the
COM-AddIn Folder doesn't show your plugin.

regards

Markus

 


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 21:02:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 04:03:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Bug Report
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D87@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> - and the outlook menu entries for it got messed up. I can
> not select the SpamBayes manager any more. The menu just 
> doesn't open. And this happens also after a complete 
> uninstall, removing registry entries and reinstall. So there 
> are still some other configuration files left after uninstall.

See [ 675811 ] Dead buttons left on uninstall:
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=675811&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103>

The pertinent bit is that you need to reset the toolbar, or simply
delete the spambayes toolbar [1], after uninstalling.

=Tony Meyer

[1] Right-click on the toolbar, choose Customize, select the SpamBayes
toolbar, and click Delete.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 21:05:51 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 04:06:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie question on non-standard POP3 client
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D88@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I ran Telnet on my mail server and got a representative 
> example of the output from the commands below.
> 
> I then ran Telnet on localhost. It cleared the screen and as 
> soon as I hit the left-shift button to start typing in 
> uppercase, it dropped back to the dos shell prompt.

Sounds like it isn't proxying, then.  When you start the proxy, do you
get something like:
"""
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database...Done.
Listener on port 110 is proxying pop.ihug.co.nz:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
"""

Do you maybe have something else using port 110?  Try running the proxy
on a different port (1110, for example), and seeing if that works.

=Tony Meyer

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Wed Aug 13 02:09:32 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Wed Aug 13 04:08:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] stats
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D86@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030813010158.00bc64b0@mail.i-sphere.com>

Hi there,

  I wrote bash shell scripting for the statistical by using bc command on 
the FreeBSD system.

$ ./t
Spambayes Statistical: Ham (48)(99.98%), Spam (7)(99.86%), Unsure 
(2)(99.50%) Total: 99.78%
$

I hope my arithmetic expression is correct. If You guys find wrong math 
format. Please tell me!


--t.sh
#!/usr/local/bin/bash
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
cd $MAILDIR
HAM=`grep "X-Spambayes-Classification: ham" everything | wc -l | awk 
'{print $1}'`
SPAM=`grep "X-Spambayes-Classification: spam" everything | wc -l | awk 
'{print $1}'`
UNSURE=`grep "X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure" everything | wc -l | awk 
'{print $1}'`
P=1
PHAM="`echo "scale=2; 100.0 - ($P/$HAM)" | bc`"
PSPAM="`echo "scale=2; 100.0 - ($P/$SPAM)" | bc`"
PUNSURE="`echo "scale=2; 100.0 - ($P/$UNSURE)" | bc`"
TOTAL="`echo "scale=2; ($PHAM + $PSPAM + $PUNSURE) / 3" | bc`"
echo "Spambayes Statistical: Ham ($HAM)($PHAM%), Spam ($SPAM)($PSPAM%), 
Unsure ($UNSURE)($PUNSURE%) Total: $TOTAL%"
--eof


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 13 21:12:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 04:13:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: smtp auth issue
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > Is the MUA definitely connecting to the server?  (i.e. the 
> > address and port information is correct?)
> Yes. When the smtp server is set to the actual server name, the
> authentication works correctly.

I meant to ask "is the MUA definitely connecting to the server through
the proxy". Sounds like it is, though.

> When it is not, here's what happens:
[...]
> either it is trying to authenticate on localhost, or it is 
> failing to pass the username and password to the server...

Well, smtpproxy doesn't try and do any authentication, it just proxies
(unless it finds a message to one of the training addresses), so it's
not the former.

Like David's problem, I really need to have smtpproxy run with some
debugging information to track this down.  Do you want to use smtpproxy
to train rather than the web interface?  If so, would you be willing to
run a debugging copy of smtpproxy to try and track this down?

=Tony Meyer

From nick at neoworks.com  Wed Aug 13 12:04:47 2003
From: nick at neoworks.com (Nick Vincent)
Date: Wed Aug 13 06:04:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Current anon CVS still crashing outlook on folder browse
Message-ID: <487B2B5FD092D411977400D0B73EB0A264E1EA@titan.neoworks.co.uk>

Hi all,

As reported the other day, and confirmed as fixed in CVS by Mark, but still
occurring on my machine.

Windows 2000
Outlook XP SP2 wi Exchange (not 2000, like I mistakenly said the other day)
Python 2.2 pybsddb3 win32all-152

I updated from CVS this morning, so should at least be up to date with any
fixes from yesterday.

Outlook GPFs with no trace messages on the following:

Train Now... > Both Browse Buttons
Define Filters... > Both Browse Buttons

but works as expected on

Filter Now... > Browse...

Nick

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Wed Aug 13 09:01:49 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Wed Aug 13 08:01:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Bug Report
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB0FE@SPIKE.city>

In a similar vein....
I inadvertently deleted the "frowning face" icon from my "Delete as Spam" button (one of the Outlook "reset" commands does that) and was totally unable to get it back. Even reinstalling Spambayes didn't help. (I tried to recreate the icon from scratch, but have been unable to get either the mouth or the eyebrows right.) Am I overlooking something?

BTW, I made my new icon red, while leaving the "Recover from spam" icon yellow. Looks good that way.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:02 AM
> To: markus@schretter.de; SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Bug Report
> 
> 
> > - and the outlook menu entries for it got messed up. I can
> > not select the SpamBayes manager any more. The menu just 
> > doesn't open. And this happens also after a complete 
> > uninstall, removing registry entries and reinstall. So there 
> > are still some other configuration files left after uninstall.
> 
> See [ 675811 ] Dead buttons left on uninstall:
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6758
11&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103>

The pertinent bit is that you need to reset the toolbar, or simply
delete the spambayes toolbar [1], after uninstalling.

=Tony Meyer

[1] Right-click on the toolbar, choose Customize, select the SpamBayes
toolbar, and click Delete.

From Garrett.Brucker at SolveITLLP.com  Wed Aug 13 06:56:33 2003
From: Garrett.Brucker at SolveITLLP.com (Garrett Brucker)
Date: Wed Aug 13 08:10:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug??
Message-ID: <4E83648984F61848A64E128C812CE5AA01F102@sit03.solveitllp.com>

I recently installed the Spambayes plugin for Outlook -- it's awesome so
keep up the great work.  Only minor glitch I've encountered is that my
email names that Outlook outfills when entering in the "To" or "CC"
fields has all been truncated to the first initial of the person's last
name.  For example, if I had 3 Steve's I've sent email to in the past
(Steve Smith, Steve Jones, Steve Jobs), when I would start to type
"steve" in the To field the 3 Steve's would appear in a drop-down and I
could pick the appropriate one.  After installing Spambayes, my
drop-down now has just 3 S's that are displayed vs. the whole name.  If
I select one, it still has the correct email address associated with it
so the info behind the name is still there.  After sending an email to
the person, the drop-down does NOT update and still has the name
truncated to the first initial.  Also, this issue only seems to have
affected those names where I have multiple people with the same first
name -- individual unique names work fine.  My Contacts/Address Book all
work fine still.
 
I am using Outlook XP and I know that the names it holds in "memory" is
part of my profile.  So, I could create a new profile and start the
building/indexing of names from scratch but would rather not if you have
a fix.  Please advise.
 
Garrett Brucker 
Principal 
Solve IT, L.L.P. 
O 720.981.3712 / C 720.219.0414 
Garrett.Brucker@SolveITLLP.com 
www.SolveITLLP.com 
 
From mfaina at CreativeSolutions.com  Wed Aug 13 09:34:42 2003
From: mfaina at CreativeSolutions.com (Mihail Faina)
Date: Wed Aug 13 08:35:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing problem
Message-ID: <A5CF35176EEC2943BED86B83CE5F12B70309D92F@dexmail01.creativesol.com>

I have done this without reading the FAQ - and it works OK. I would say that
this FAQ should be part of the "About Spambayes" installation info... The
only issue that I still have is the COMAddIn button - I still can't see it
listed in Outlook. Any ideas?
Thanks Tony for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:28 AM
To: Mihail Faina; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installing problem


> I installed spambayes no problems but I can't "enable it".
> I ran  regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll it says that it register 
> OK but I can't see it in the Outlooks AddIns. No filtering is 
> done and "delete as spam" shows "you need to enable 
> spambayes". Windows XP Sp1, Spambayes binary version 07/2003. Thanks.

Please see FAQ 3.8:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

If you've done everything listed there, but you still get the message, then
you might have found a bug - the troubleshooting guide has information about
what to do in that case.

=Tony Meyer

From edrubins at andisplace.com  Wed Aug 13 10:11:28 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Wed Aug 13 09:11:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:SpamBayes with Eudora?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030813090849.03e4a100@localhost>

Ed>> Or, if someone will tell me to get the information into the FAQ,
Ed>> I'll dress it up and submit it.

Skip> That's easy. ;-) Grab
Skip> http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.txt
Skip> add the question and answer to the relevant section and post a 
context diff
Skip> between the before and after versions to spambayes-dev@python.org.

Done.

Best, Ed
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug 14 00:10:40 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug 13 09:13:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug??
In-Reply-To: <4E83648984F61848A64E128C812CE5AA01F102@sit03.solveitllp.com>
Message-ID: <083b01c3619c$4c407130$f502a8c0@eden>

> I recently installed the Spambayes plugin for Outlook -- it's 
> awesome so
> keep up the great work.  Only minor glitch I've encountered is that my
> email names that Outlook outfills when entering in the "To" or "CC"
> fields has all been truncated to the first initial of the 
> person's last

We are tracking this in
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=61
702&atid=498103.  As far as we know, this should only happen after you have
displayed a SpamBayes dialog - so exiting Outlook and restarting should fix
it until you next display the SpamBayes manager.

We expect this to be fixed in the next release.

Mark.
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From maria at trapezoid.com  Wed Aug 13 11:01:32 2003
From: maria at trapezoid.com (Maria Anderson)
Date: Wed Aug 13 10:02:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Stopped working
Message-ID: <002d01c361a3$6cb4d620$9b01a8c0@Lincoln>

Until yesterday, I had great success with spambayes plugin.  All of a sudden
after months of successful filtering, I started getting bombarded with spam.
Tried training again ... no success.  Any thoughts?
 

Mar?a Anderson 

  _____  

email:  <mailto:maria@tra> maria@trapezoid,com 
efax:    305-574-7972


 

?If the end brings me out all right, what is said against me won't amount to
anything.  If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right
would make no difference"  -- Abraham Lincoln


 

 

 

 
From beckman at purplecow.com  Wed Aug 13 11:41:28 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Wed Aug 13 10:42:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
Message-ID: <20030813103058.C28451@thermonuclear.org>

Hi folks.

Props to SpamBayes.  Rocks.  Installed last night.  3 unsure incorrectly on
the first day, no false positives yet.  Thank you God.  Or you developers.

2 problems I've had installing though:
    1. Lack of documentation on what the .spambayesrc file should look
       like.  An example file would be great.  Also, if there is a way
       (like in perl, perldoc) in python to display "man pages" or
       something similar, the how-to on that (for Options.py and such).

    2. Line 62 of hammiebulk.py, this line occurs:

       DEFAULTDB = os.path.expanduser(options.hammiefilter_persistent_storage_file)

       I kept getting errors.  So I looked at Options.py.  Removed
       hammiefilter_.  Worked.

       DEFAULTDB = os.path.expanduser(options.persistent_storage_file)

       Either I did it wrong, or you did.  You tell me!  I just want to
       make sure this isn't giving non-techies problems.

2 problems I'm currently having with SpamBayes:
    1. Piping wrongly categorized emails to "|hammiefilter.py -g" (or -s)
       takes approximately 20-25 seconds.  I know you said it's not super
       fast, but I figured it would take like 5 seconds at most.  My bet
       (and fear) is that I'm using dumbdb:

            thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> file .hammiedb*
            .hammiedb.bak: ASCII text
            .hammiedb.dat: data
            .hammiedb.dir: ASCII text
            thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> ll .hammiedb*
            -rw-------  1 beckman  users   1945521 Aug 13 10:34 .hammiedb.bak
            -rw-r--r--  1 beckman  users  34144780 Aug 13 10:29 .hammiedb.dat
            -rw-------  1 beckman  users   1945521 Aug 13 10:34 .hammiedb.dir

       Which leads me to question...

    2. Documentation on the site mentions a utility in the utility dir that
       is called "which_database.py."  I can't find it:

        thermonuclear: 1 : ~/spambayes-1.0a4/utilities --> ll
        total 42
        drwxr-xr-x   2 beckman  561   512 Aug 13 10:39 ./
        drwxr-xr-x  10 567      561  1024 Aug 12 22:28 ../
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2043 May  4 05:16 HistToGNU.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2664 Apr 25 04:29 convert_config_file.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561   520 Feb 16 18:06 dump_cdb.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  3268 Jan 21  2003 loosecksum.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2163 Jan 17  2003 mboxcount.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  3046 May  4 05:16 pop3graph.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  5680 Jan 17  2003 rebal.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2256 Jan 17  2003 split.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2822 Jan 17  2003 splitn.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  3592 Jan 17  2003 splitndirs.py

       I found a copy on the site, but it didn't work for me; I didn't try
       real hard though.   I didn't want to muck with it too much.

That's it.  Thank you for the help and the fantastic product!

Peter
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From chance at stsci.edu  Wed Aug 13 17:07:52 2003
From: chance at stsci.edu (Don Chance)
Date: Wed Aug 13 12:07:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My adventures with Spambayes...
Message-ID: <200308131607.h7DG7qO11351@copland.sogs.stsci.edu>


>> Next, I tried training the filter, but kept getting:
>> 
>> imaplib.error: APPEND command error: BAD ['Invalid date-time 
>> in Append command']
>> 
>> Added some print statements to see what was going on.  After 
>> staring at the time string that caused the problem for a long 
>> time, I finally figured out the what was causing the error. 
>> The last part of the time was "+000" instead of "+0000". 

> [...]

> Hmm - haven't seen this before.  This is very strange - we get the
> date/time from the fetch response, preferably, and if that fails, we use
> imaplib's Time2Internaldate function to convert either the message's
> date header or the current time (if all else fails) to the right format.
> I can't see how this could be Time2Internaldate's fault, because the
> timezone is added with a "%+03d%02d" that forces the correct number of
> digits.  This presumably leaves your imap server as the culprit.

> If you run imapfilter with the switch "-i4" it will print out the imap
> commands and responses - it would be interesting to know if this is the
> case, and which imap server this is.  I suppose if it is the case, then
> a patch like the one you used is the only solution.

I also suspected it was the IMAP was to blame.  We use a Mirapoint
Message Server for our mail.  I tried the "-i4" option but didn't
immediately see any "+000" timezones.

>> Next, I tried to classify my Inbox, but kept getting 
>> assertion errors on "assert hamcount <= nham".  Added some 
>> print statements to see what was going on:

>[...]

>>     assert hamcount <= nham
>> AssertionError
>> 
>> Made the following modification to classifier.py to 
>> workaround the problem:

>[...]

> This is just hiding a problem.  If that assertion fails, it means that
> your database is screwed and that you need to retrain from scratch.
> This is most likely a result of the failed training from the bad
> appending.  Simply deleting the database file (probably hammie.db)
> should fix the problem.

Yep, I knew I wasn't really solving anything.  I just wanted to get
around the problem with a minimum of fuss.

I think I know how I corrupted the database.  When I first brought up
the web interface, I clicked on the "Train as Ham" button when nothing 
was in the textbox.  It looks like that may have gotten the hamcount
out of wack from the very beginning.  

So, I renamed hammie.db and tried training again, but, of course, as
is my custom, I got another traceback: 

> python2.2 imapfilter.py -t -v -p
[...]
.type(response): <type 'str'>
response: 22 (UID 100 RFC822 {13605}
*Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "imapfilter.py", line 789, in ?
    run()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 775, in run
    imap_filter.Train()
  File "imapfilter.py", line 607, in Train
    num_ham_trained = folder.Train(self.classifier, False)
  File "imapfilter.py", line 536, in Train
    classifier.unlearn(msg.asTokens(), not isSpam)
  File "/data/copland1/chance/python/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 283, in unlearn
    self._remove_msg(wordstream, is_spam)
  File "/data/copland1/chance/python/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 424, in _remove_msg
    raise ValueError("spam count would go negative!")
ValueError: spam count would go negative!

I don't have time to look into this right now, so I just put the old,
corrupt, database back.

>> Tried to classify my Inbox again:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>   File "imapfilter.py", line 157, in _extract_fetch_data
>>     mo = FETCH_RESPONSE_RE.match(response)
>> TypeError: expected string or buffer
>> 
>> Added code:
>> 157,159d155
>> <     if options["globals", "verbose"]:
>> <         print "type(response):", type(response)
>> <         print "response:", response
>> 
>> and repeated the command, but the error did not recur.
>
>
> If it does reoccur, I'd be interested in knowing what the type was.  It
> should either be a tuple or a string, and if it's a tuple, the first
> element should be a string and that is used.  I haven't see this before.

Still have not seen this recur, but could the response have come back as None?

Thanks for your response,
Don

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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 13 12:19:41 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Aug 13 12:19:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Stopped working
In-Reply-To: <002d01c361a3$6cb4d620$9b01a8c0@Lincoln>
References: <002d01c361a3$6cb4d620$9b01a8c0@Lincoln>
Message-ID: <16186.25885.713065.225896@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Maria> Until yesterday, I had great success with spambayes plugin.  All
    Maria> of a sudden after months of successful filtering, I started
    Maria> getting bombarded with spam.  Tried training again ... no
    Maria> success.  Any thoughts?

Have you upgraded recently?  I'm not a Windows/Outlook person, but that's
the first thing I'd try.  The current version of the plugin is 0.7.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 13 13:08:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Aug 13 13:08:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Stopped working
In-Reply-To: <008801c361b7$706013c0$9b01a8c0@Lincoln>
References: <16186.25885.713065.225896@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<008801c361b7$706013c0$9b01a8c0@Lincoln>
Message-ID: <16186.28789.655465.922638@montanaro.dyndns.org>

>>>>> "Maria" == Maria Anderson <maria@trapezoid.com> writes:

    Maria> Where can I download?  Thanks.

Here are some useful URLs:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/                   SB home page
    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download.html      SB download page
    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html       SB Windows page

There's a link to

    http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe?download

on the Windows page.  

Note also that the last couple releases include a "Check for Updates" item
in the Spambayes drop-down menu.

Skip

From aaron at cox.net  Wed Aug 13 11:29:19 2003
From: aaron at cox.net (AW)
Date: Wed Aug 13 13:29:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thought I should report this.
Message-ID: <000001c361c0$6d58b110$6500a8c0@AWexpress>

Hello:
 
I would file this as a Spambayes bug report, but I have no actual evidence
that my problem is caused by Spambayes...
 
My Outlook 2002 is downloading multiple copies of some (but not all)
e-mails.  There doesn't seem to be any special characteristics of those
emails which are received in multiplicity, but this started occurring around
the same time that I installed Spambayes. 
 
My ISP believes the problem is somewhere within my system.  I have scanned
my system for viruses and it is clean...   Any ideas?
 
 
From beckman at purplecow.com  Wed Aug 13 11:41:28 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Wed Aug 13 14:11:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
Message-ID: <20030813103058.C28451@thermonuclear.org>

Hi folks.

Props to SpamBayes.  Rocks.  Installed last night.  3 unsure incorrectly on
the first day, no false positives yet.  Thank you God.  Or you developers.

2 problems I've had installing though:
    1. Lack of documentation on what the .spambayesrc file should look
       like.  An example file would be great.  Also, if there is a way
       (like in perl, perldoc) in python to display "man pages" or
       something similar, the how-to on that (for Options.py and such).

    2. Line 62 of hammiebulk.py, this line occurs:

       DEFAULTDB = os.path.expanduser(options.hammiefilter_persistent_storage_file)

       I kept getting errors.  So I looked at Options.py.  Removed
       hammiefilter_.  Worked.

       DEFAULTDB = os.path.expanduser(options.persistent_storage_file)

       Either I did it wrong, or you did.  You tell me!  I just want to
       make sure this isn't giving non-techies problems.

2 problems I'm currently having with SpamBayes:
    1. Piping wrongly categorized emails to "|hammiefilter.py -g" (or -s)
       takes approximately 20-25 seconds.  I know you said it's not super
       fast, but I figured it would take like 5 seconds at most.  My bet
       (and fear) is that I'm using dumbdb:

            thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> file .hammiedb*
            .hammiedb.bak: ASCII text
            .hammiedb.dat: data
            .hammiedb.dir: ASCII text
            thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> ll .hammiedb*
            -rw-------  1 beckman  users   1945521 Aug 13 10:34 .hammiedb.bak
            -rw-r--r--  1 beckman  users  34144780 Aug 13 10:29 .hammiedb.dat
            -rw-------  1 beckman  users   1945521 Aug 13 10:34 .hammiedb.dir

       Which leads me to question...

    2. Documentation on the site mentions a utility in the utility dir that
       is called "which_database.py."  I can't find it:

        thermonuclear: 1 : ~/spambayes-1.0a4/utilities --> ll
        total 42
        drwxr-xr-x   2 beckman  561   512 Aug 13 10:39 ./
        drwxr-xr-x  10 567      561  1024 Aug 12 22:28 ../
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2043 May  4 05:16 HistToGNU.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2664 Apr 25 04:29 convert_config_file.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561   520 Feb 16 18:06 dump_cdb.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  3268 Jan 21  2003 loosecksum.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2163 Jan 17  2003 mboxcount.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  3046 May  4 05:16 pop3graph.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  5680 Jan 17  2003 rebal.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2256 Jan 17  2003 split.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  2822 Jan 17  2003 splitn.py
        -rw-r--r--   1 beckman  561  3592 Jan 17  2003 splitndirs.py

       I found a copy on the site, but it didn't work for me; I didn't try
       real hard though.   I didn't want to muck with it too much.

That's it.  Thank you for the help and the fantastic product!

Peter
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From whisper at oz.net  Wed Aug 13 13:37:51 2003
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Wed Aug 13 15:35:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thought I should report this.
In-Reply-To: <000001c361c0$6d58b110$6500a8c0@AWexpress>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEGCMJAA.whisper@oz.net>

<snip>
>
> My Outlook 2002 is downloading multiple copies of some (but not all)
> e-mails.  There doesn't seem to be any special characteristics of those
> emails which are received in multiplicity, but this started
> occurring around
> the same time that I installed Spambayes.
>
> My ISP believes the problem is somewhere within my system.  I have scanned
> my system for viruses and it is clean...   Any ideas?
>

Yes, I've had the same problem. Turns out there where two copies of the
Outlook backend running. Kill both in the task manager, restart Outlook and
wait many minutes for outlook to recover/verify it's databases (depending on
how much email you have stored in it). This won't make the duplicate message
go away though.

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA


From richie at entrian.com  Wed Aug 13 22:02:54 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Aug 13 16:02:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering based on headers only?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D86@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3D86@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <6r5ljvomqlt2b7c28pmj2bbfbkvhsncatr@4ax.com>


[Andrew]
> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError

[Tony]
> Whenever a fix can be idenfied for the exception, this is applied

...which has already happened in CVS for this one.  See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-August/006779.html

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From wayne at morsemed.com  Wed Aug 13 17:06:47 2003
From: wayne at morsemed.com (Wayne Morse)
Date: Wed Aug 13 19:02:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Issues with Outlook
Message-ID: <6C328E635626E949BB1B83E0E39A84D90957C6@server.morsemed.com>

currently using outlook for windows 2000. Install your product last Friday and it is doing an excellent job detecting SPAM.  However, I lost the ability to access two folders that were in the delete folder.  Message reads "unable to display folder - the operation failed".  Any recommendations?  I tried detect and repair and could not get that to work.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 14 12:34:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 19:36:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>     1. Lack of documentation on what the .spambayesrc file should look
>        like.  An example file would be great.

FAQs 4.11 and 4.12 will probably help:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-configure-pop3proxy-
imapfilter-etc-without-a-web-browser>
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-lo
oks-like-but-what-options-do-i-need-to-set>

If you do:
>>> from spambayes import Options
>>> print Options.options.display()

You'll get an example based on the current values of the options
(possibly the defaults).

>  Also, if there is a way
>  (like in perl, perldoc) in python to display "man pages" or
>  something similar, the how-to on that (for Options.py and such).

The equivalent in Python is basically "print object.__doc__".  So, in
this case, "Print Options.__doc__".

>     2. Line 62 of hammiebulk.py, this line occurs:
> Either I did it wrong, or you did.  You tell me!  I just want to
> make sure this isn't giving non-techies problems.

The reason is that the original line was correct one point, but then the
format for the options changed.  There's a lot of backwards
compatibility code that should let lines like that keep working, but for
some reason it isn't.  I've checked in a fix (today) for this.

> My bet (and fear) is that I'm using dumbdb:
>             .hammiedb.bak: ASCII text
>             .hammiedb.dat: data
>             .hammiedb.dir: ASCII text

Looks like it.

> 2. Documentation on the site mentions a utility in the 
> utility dir that is called "which_database.py."  I can't find it:

This is a problem with the documentation being too up-to-date -
which_database.py appeared after the alpha4 release.  Perhaps it's
getting towards time for a new release...(we've got a long way to go to
catch up with the number of Outlook plug-in releases ;)

> I found a copy on the site, but it didn't work for me; 
> I didn't try real hard though.   I didn't want to muck with it too
much.

Hmm.  It hasn't been widely tested, although it worked for me.  What
error does it give you?

> That's it.  Thank you for the help and the fantastic product!

You're most welcome.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 14 13:35:25 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 13 20:36:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering based on headers only?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3F5B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm integrating with The Bat too.
> 
> And it seems to me that it doesn't see (?!) X-Spambayes 
> header somehow.
> That header is present in logfile,
> it is also present when I dump it from onRetr(),
> it is also present when I telnet to localhost:110 and exec 
> POP3 commands manually,
> but when I preview headers in Bat or make a rule
> to delete messages with this header - it just isn't there!
> 
> Any ideas?

When you say "preview headers", do you mean the "view rfc822 headers"
item?  This works for me (out of the box, so to speak).  A rule that
searches for the appropriate text in the "kludges" section also works.
Is The Bat! definitely connecting to the proxy and not directly to the
mail server?

I'm using The Bat! 1.62 - is this what you have?  (not that it should
make any difference, really)

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 13 22:25:35 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Aug 13 22:25:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16186.62239.953888.864461@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Also, if there is a way (like in perl, perldoc) in python to display
    >> "man pages" or something similar, the how-to on that (for Options.py
    >> and such).

    Tony> The equivalent in Python is basically "print object.__doc__".  So,
    Tony> in this case, "Print Options.__doc__".

You can also execute (on Unix-ish systems):

    pydoc spambayes.Options

or from the interpreter (since 2.2 on all platforms I think):

    >>> import spambayes.Options
    >>> help(spambayes.Options)

Skip

From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 14 02:23:55 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Thu Aug 14 01:25:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030814011232.R58836@thermonuclear.org>

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > My bet (and fear) is that I'm using dumbdb:
> >             .hammiedb.bak: ASCII text
> >             .hammiedb.dat: data
> >             .hammiedb.dir: ASCII text
>
> Looks like it.

 How do I check?  And if I am using DumbDB, how do I go about moving to
 Py-bsddb3 once I install it?  Do I have to start training all over again,
 or can I convert my DumbDB file(s) to Py-bsddb3?

 Also, if I install Py-bsddb3, do I have to re-compile/re-install
 SpamBayes?

> > 2. Documentation on the site mentions a utility in the
> > utility dir that is called "which_database.py."  I can't find it:
>
> This is a problem with the documentation being too up-to-date -
> which_database.py appeared after the alpha4 release.  Perhaps it's
> getting towards time for a new release...(we've got a long way to go to
> catch up with the number of Outlook plug-in releases ;)
>
> Hmm.  It hasn't been widely tested, although it worked for me.  What
> error does it give you?

    thermonuclear: 2 : ~/spambayes-1.0a4/utilities --> which_database.py
    Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "which_database.py", line 31, in ?
        import dbhash
    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/dbhash.py", line 5, in ?
        import bsddb
    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 40, in ?
        import _bsddb
    ImportError: No module named _bsddb

Peter
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From tys at tvg.ca  Thu Aug 14 02:16:47 2003
From: tys at tvg.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Thu Aug 14 03:28:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imap filter problems
Message-ID: <3808.142.179.244.169.1060845407.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>

I am getting the follow traceback when trying to train on some imap
folders with imapfilter.py.  I can configure, and choose folders fine
through the browser config so it can connect to the server.

I am running the latest CVS, Python 2.2.2, connecting to a Courier IMAP
server that is on the same machine.

Also have another question, I going travelling so I am moving from a 100%
Outlook based mail setup to a qmail/courier imap/squirrel mail setup.  I
have shell access to the account that the mail is getting delivered too. 
Is IMAP filter for training and hammiefilter/procmail (or whatever it is
for qmail) for filtering a decent combo?  Or is there a better way to go
about training and filtering?  Anyone with a similar setup have any ideas?

Thanks for the help.  The traceback is below:

[gaza@games gaza]$ python2.2 spambayes/imapfilter.py -v -t
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Alpha1, version 0.01 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha1, version 0.01
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database hammie.db... Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is an existing database, with 0 spam and 0 ham
Done.
Training
   Training ham folder INBOX.SB.TrainHam
       0 trained.
   Training spam folder INBOX.SB.TrainSpam
*.Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 782, in ?
    run()
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 768, in run
    imap_filter.Train()
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 607, in Train
    num_spam_trained = folder.Train(self.classifier, True)
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 543, in Train
    msg.Save()
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 365, in Save
    response = imap.uid("FETCH", self.uid, "(FLAGS INTERNALDATE)")
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 622, in uid
    typ, dat = apply(self._simple_command, (name, command) + args)
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 925, in _simple_command
    return self._command_complete(name, apply(self._command, (name,) + args))
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 699, in _command
    data = '%s %s' % (data, self._checkquote(arg))
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 908, in _checkquote
    if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
IndexError: string index out of range

Tys von Gaza
tys@tvg.ca

From jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 14 13:18:22 2003
From: jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?=)
Date: Thu Aug 14 07:18:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question to Confirm
Message-ID: <20030814111822.66263.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com>

>From the Spambayes Code...
 
If the email has a text/html, I noticed that it will then be rated as a spam.
Even if it is obviously not a spam.
 
I would just like to confirm this. If the email has the text/html, does the program ignore this, and does not tokenize it anymore  and rate it as a spam? Or it has another method. I dont really follow the step here...
 
I know this is just a newbie question, it would really help very much if englighted.
 
 
-Jackie Lan B. Manlosa
 


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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug 14 09:24:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Aug 14 09:24:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question to Confirm
In-Reply-To: <20030814111822.66263.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030814111822.66263.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16187.36240.698080.595814@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Jackie> If the email has a text/html, I noticed that it will then be
    Jackie> rated as a spam.  Even if it is obviously not a spam.

Nope, not true.  Look at the clues in the message and look at the messages
you've trained on.  It's possible that you train most or all of the messages
which contain HTML as spam, so clues in the messages which distinguish HTML
mail from plain text mail become very strong spam clues.

Skip

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri Aug 15 01:37:16 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Thu Aug 14 10:37:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question to Confirm 
In-Reply-To: <20030814111822.66263.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <200308141437.h7EEbGoK027060@localhost.localdomain>


>>> =?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?= wrote
> If the email has a text/html, I noticed that it will then be rated as a spam.
> Even if it is obviously not a spam.

Nope, not true. We strip out HTML tags (they were too strongly correlated
and led to bad results). Please send some examples, with the clues that 
spambayes used.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Aug 14 12:59:09 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:59:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Binary v 0.7
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB102@SPIKE.city>

I too am using Outlook 2000 (with Exchange 2000 Server), and I can confirm both of the problems that Mike reports.

The occasional message that's treated as spam but shows a 0% spam probability is something I've been seeing since I started using Spambayes (at V 002, I think). I've always assumed it was some sort of roundoff error.

I don't know when the failure to show up as a COM addin started, but I assumed it was a consequence of the V007 enhancement that claims to obviate the need for user-specific setup. In any case, it hasn't stopped us from getting users up and running with V 007.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:05 PM
> To: mikes@members-insurance.com; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Binary v 0.7
> 
> 
> > However, I am seeing two quirks. Some messages in both the
> > Inbox and Spam
> > folders do not display any score (i.e. the field displayed is
> > blank/empty).
> > When you look at the Spam Clues for this message under Spam
> > Manager, the
> > message is scored (as is also evident from the fact that the
> > message was
> > moved to the Spam folder).
> 
> So the filtering is working OK, but no spam score showing?  
> Is is possible
> these message come from an IMAP or Hotmail server?
> 
> > So far, I have not seen any
> > messages moved to the
> > Unsure folder that don't display a score. I have removed the
> > display field
> > for the score and re-displayed the Spam field with no effect
> > in both Inbox
> > and Spam folders. I have also noticed that SpamBayes no
> > longer shows as a
> > COM add-in. It doesn't seem to show in any add-in displays 
> that I have
> > found. The documentation indicates that it should show as a
> > COM add-in in
> > Outlook 2002 (at least).
> 
> It seems to work in Outlook 2000, which is all I have - but 
> even then I
> haven't checked this is still true in the most recent binaries.
> 
> I have no idea how they decide to display the addin in the 
> dialog, but it
> never shows up if you are running the source-code version.
> 
> > The good news is that everything seems to be working fine but
> > some Spam
> > scores are not displaying. I am not sure if I should be
> > worried if SpamBayes
> > doesn't show as a COM add-in or not.
> 
> If you are not sure if to be worried about something or not, 
> the general
> answer is that you shouldn't <wink>.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 14 13:13:46 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:15:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030814121246.M58836@thermonuclear.org>

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > 2. Documentation on the site mentions a utility in the
> > utility dir that is called "which_database.py."  I can't find it:
>
> This is a problem with the documentation being too up-to-date -
> which_database.py appeared after the alpha4 release.  Perhaps it's
> getting towards time for a new release...(we've got a long way to go to
> catch up with the number of Outlook plug-in releases ;)

 Now that I installed bsddb3, and created my new and improved .hammiedb, I get this:

 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 182, in main
    action(msg)
  File "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 131, in train_spam
    h = hammie.open(self.dbname, self.usedb, 'c')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 260, in open
    b = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename, mode)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 147, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 155, in load
    self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 59, in open
    return f(*args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 41, in open_best
    return f(*args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 12, in open_db3hash
    return bsddb3.hashopen(*args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/bsddb3/__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
    d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
    bsddb._db.DBAccessError: (13, 'Permission denied')

HELP!

Beckman

PS -- I haven't searched the archives yet, but I will go do that now.
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From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 14 13:17:40 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:18:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
In-Reply-To: <20030814121246.M58836@thermonuclear.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302BF3EF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<20030814121246.M58836@thermonuclear.org>
Message-ID: <20030814121629.Y58836@thermonuclear.org>

Crap.  I suck.  Duh, the problem was right here:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Peter Beckman wrote:

>     bsddb._db.DBAccessError: (13, 'Permission denied')

I'm a little new to Python, so I'm quick to judge its errors.  The simple
fix?  chown beckman .hammiedb.  I hate those.  I suck, my bad, apologies to
the list.

Beckman, feeling sheepish... baaaa
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From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 14 13:25:31 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:26:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] cat multiple emails to hammiefilter.py -- OK to do?
Message-ID: <20030814121850.G58836@thermonuclear.org>

I use pine.  I use the "Mark as Selected" feature to mark all of the spam I
get in the morning (which is much less since the training began).

Then I hit "(A)pply to Selected", then the "(|) Pipe", and pipe them ALL to
dccproc -t many | hammiefilter.py -s.

    ASIDE: DCC is Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse, and (for those who
    don't know) keeps track of checksums of emails and counts of those
    checksums to see when email is bulk (multiple copies sent to multiple
    DCC users increases the count, until the count is simply "many", which
    the site admin determines).

I believe that ALL emails are catted and piped to the command, one after
another, with no mbox "From " lines.

Does this cause problems with hammiefilter.py?  It works, but does it train
properly, or do I need to run hammiefilter.py on each message individually?

Beckman
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From driglaz at msn.com  Thu Aug 14 13:40:13 2003
From: driglaz at msn.com (David Lazar)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:40:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <001c01c36282$bbed7dc0$6501a8c0@lw8>

The Com Add In is not working - nor is spam bayes. I just reinstalled it and
went to add the com ad in so it will appear on the toolbar - but will will
not accept it.
 
How do I get this to work again.
 
Thanks
 
 

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From driglaz at msn.com  Thu Aug 14 13:40:14 2003
From: driglaz at msn.com (David Lazar)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:40:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <002101c36282$bc45afe0$6501a8c0@lw8>

 
 

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From python-spambayes.5.flick at xoxy.net  Thu Aug 14 10:52:16 2003
From: python-spambayes.5.flick at xoxy.net (python-spambayes.5.flick@xoxy.net)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:52:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes at server level
In-Reply-To: <E19nKWU-0008KR-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <E19nLKm-0002Ek-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

>involved complaining.  I think implementing Spambayes at the server
>level only will tend to block messages that half your users want to
>receive and the other half don't- causing a "can't please everyone"
>condition.  Implementing at the user level can please everyone and, more
>importantly, they never lose a legitimate email because they can always
>check their own spam filters.

<musing>
I wonder if there couldn't be perhaps some sort of hybrid solution, whereby
Spambayes is managed locally by the users, as it is now, but it then somehow
communicates back to the server, which then takes the spam/ham databases and
applies it to the user's mailbox.

Hmm, then again, perhaps there's no benefit to that unless the server is set
to automatically delete the spam from the user's mailbox. Can't block at the
gateway level, since someone else might not consider the message<s> spam.
</musing>


From python-spambayes.5.flick at xoxy.net  Thu Aug 14 10:54:59 2003
From: python-spambayes.5.flick at xoxy.net (python-spambayes.5.flick@xoxy.net)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:55:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in: Buttons in message window
In-Reply-To: <E19nKWU-0008KR-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <E19nLNM-0006Mb-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Here's a feature request that I'm curious to see if anyone else would also
like:

I would like to see the "Delete as spam" button in the message reading
window, not just in the message index window. Sometimes I have to open a
message in order to determine whether or not it's valid. Currently I then
have to shut it, go back to the index and tag it there. Would be great to do
it in fewer steps.

Thanks,

Peter


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug 14 13:10:44 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Aug 14 13:10:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] cat multiple emails to hammiefilter.py -- OK to do?
In-Reply-To: <20030814121850.G58836@thermonuclear.org>
References: <20030814121850.G58836@thermonuclear.org>
Message-ID: <16187.49812.489066.554363@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Peter> I believe that ALL emails are catted and piped to the command,
    Peter> one after another, with no mbox "From " lines.

    Peter> Does this cause problems with hammiefilter.py?  It works, but
    Peter> does it train properly, or do I need to run hammiefilter.py on
    Peter> each message individually?

You need to run hf on each message independently.  If you could coax pine
into properly separating the messages you could write a pretty simple shell
or python script to split the input and run hammiefilter on each message.

Skip

From jlarge at wwwilliams.com  Thu Aug 14 15:58:50 2003
From: jlarge at wwwilliams.com (Large Julie C.)
Date: Thu Aug 14 15:00:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <EB4CCEBE0DF1C840A6726AB8E78814C458A925@hermes.w2kdom.wwwilliams.com>

I'm getting no activity like I did when Spambayes was first installed.
One day it just disappeared from Outlook.  I restarted Outlook, nothing.
I tried re-adding the add-in, no go.  Can you tell me how to load this
again and stay an add-in?  I have attached the error message.
 
Thanks for your help, J
 
 
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From amany at weber.ucsd.edu  Thu Aug 14 16:10:21 2003
From: amany at weber.ucsd.edu (Adam Many)
Date: Thu Aug 14 15:13:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter.py -- 500 server error -- unexpected string
	or buffer
Message-ID: <3F3BDE9D.7050006@weber.ucsd.edu>

Hi all,

When I click on "configure folders to filter" in the web interface to 
imapfilter.py, I receive the following error.  I'm using the current 
spambayes CVS.  What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Adam

500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

   File "/root/spambayes/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 398, in 
found_terminator
     getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

   File "/root/spambayes/spambayes/ImapUI.py", line 142, in onFilterfolders
     available_folders = self.imap.folder_list()

   File "imapfilter.py", line 249, in folder_list
     m = r.search(fol)

TypeError: expected string or buffer


From seanmeister1 at netzero.com  Thu Aug 14 15:16:15 2003
From: seanmeister1 at netzero.com (Sean F)
Date: Thu Aug 14 15:13:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with outlook auto-archiving
Message-ID: <3F3BDFFF.6090003@netzero.com>

I've been using the Outlook addin for a few months now, and I love it, 
but I noticed that my Outlook installation stopped auto-archiving my 
inbox after I installed the addin.

After futzing around with archive settings for a while, I realized that 
the message's last-modified date is changed when a message is scored by 
SpamBayes. The archive function uses that date to determine when to 
archive a message. So, when a user trains and scores his inbox for the 
first time, all of the messages get tagged with the current date and 
will not be archived until the appropriate amount of time has passed.

Not really reporting this as a bug, but you might want to mention it in 
the addin release notes.

Thanks for the great work!

Sean


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Aug 14 16:30:52 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Aug 14 15:30:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with outlook auto-archiving
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB103@SPIKE.city>

You might think that an acceptable workaround would be to score, and then delete, a copy of the inbox instead of the inbox itself. That way, you won't mess up the archive dates of messages in the inbox. (Copying doesn't change the modified date of the message being copied, does it? Microsoft's programmers should be ashamed if it does.)

But suppose you've created a view that makes use of the "spam" field. Outlook will complain (rather annoyingly, it turns out) if you apply that view to a folder that hasn't been scored (because the spam field is missing from unscored messages). For that reason I find myself scoring most of my mail folders anyway, whether they're likely to contain any spam or not.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean F [mailto:seanmeister1@netzero.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] problem with outlook auto-archiving
> 
> 
> I've been using the Outlook addin for a few months now, and I 
> love it, 
> but I noticed that my Outlook installation stopped auto-archiving my 
> inbox after I installed the addin.
> 
> After futzing around with archive settings for a while, I 
> realized that 
> the message's last-modified date is changed when a message is 
> scored by 
> SpamBayes. The archive function uses that date to determine when to 
> archive a message. So, when a user trains and scores his 
> inbox for the 
> first time, all of the messages get tagged with the current date and 
> will not be archived until the appropriate amount of time has passed.
> 
> Not really reporting this as a bug, but you might want to 
> mention it in 
> the addin release notes.
> 
> Thanks for the great work!
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug 15 11:07:48 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug 14 20:07:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <EB4CCEBE0DF1C840A6726AB8E78814C458A925@hermes.w2kdom.wwwilliams.com>
Message-ID: <087201c362c1$437dbd70$f502a8c0@eden>

You have a very old version of the addin, which has a bug that causes your
configuration to occasionally become corrupt.  You should upgrade to the
latest version (http://www.spambayes.org/windows.html), and you will need to
re-enter all the configuration information (but you *wont* need to
re-train).

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=skippinet.com.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=skippinet.com.au@python.org
> ]On Behalf
> Of Large Julie C.
> Sent: Friday, 15 August 2003 4:59 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
> 
> 
> I'm getting no activity like I did when Spambayes was first installed.
> One day it just disappeared from Outlook.  I restarted 
> Outlook, nothing.
> I tried re-adding the add-in, no go.  Can you tell me how to load this
> again and stay an add-in?  I have attached the error message.
>  
> Thanks for your help, J
>  
>  
> 
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug 15 11:08:52 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug 14 20:08:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in: Buttons in message window
In-Reply-To: <E19nLNM-0006Mb-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <087c01c362c1$69950590$f502a8c0@eden>

> I would like to see the "Delete as spam" button in the message reading
> window, not just in the message index window. Sometimes I
> have to open a
> message in order to determine whether or not it's valid.
> Currently I then
> have to shut it, go back to the index and tag it there. Would
> be great to do
> it in fewer steps.

Yeah - that is a good idea - but I am reluctant to take this step until I
can make the existing toolbar buttons reliable.  We are getting way too many
bug reports about the toolbars.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug 15 11:18:28 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug 14 20:18:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
In-Reply-To: <001c01c36282$bbed7dc0$6501a8c0@lw8>
Message-ID: <088401c362c2$c0caf5d0$f502a8c0@eden>

Please see the troubleshooting guide - online at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of David Lazar
> Sent: Friday, 15 August 2003 2:40 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] help
>
>
> The Com Add In is not working - nor is spam bayes. I just
> reinstalled it and
> went to add the com ad in so it will appear on the toolbar -
> but will will
> not accept it.
>
> How do I get this to work again.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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>
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From tys at tvg.ca  Thu Aug 14 19:39:23 2003
From: tys at tvg.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Thu Aug 14 20:50:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mboxtrain ham headers overwritten
Message-ID: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>

As imapfilter is broken for me I've decided to try mboxtrain instead
(which is probably a better solution for my setup anyways).

I run it as shown below.  It trains spam fine (appends the
X-Spambayes-Classification header to the rest of the headers)
 , however when it trains ham it replaces ALL the headers with the
X-Spambayes-Classification header, leaving the e-mail pretty much
useless.

Any ideas why?  Am I doing something wrong?  Using about a day old cvs
version, Python 2.2.2, Maildirs.

Output below:

[gaza@games gaza]$ python2.2 /home/gaza/spambayes/mboxtrain.py -d
/home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db -g /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/ -s
/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/
Loading state from /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db database
/home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db is an existing database, with 67 spam and 9 ham
Training ham (/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/):
  Reading /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/cur as Maildir
  Trained 2 out of 2 messages               
1F40E3_0.games.pbgaming.com,S=4291:2,
Training spam (/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/):
  Reading /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/cur as Maildir
  Trained 0 out of 0 messages
Persisting /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db state in database

--
Tys von Gaza
tys@tvg.ca



From tys at tvg.ca  Fri Aug 15 01:42:26 2003
From: tys at tvg.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Fri Aug 15 02:54:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mboxtrain ham headers overwritten
In-Reply-To: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
References: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
Message-ID: <4793.142.179.244.169.1060929746.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>

Ok, found my error, and of course it was stupid but I didn't see it
documented anywhere, so here it is.

I had the following set in my ~/.spambayesrc
[globals]
verbose=True

This caused the following lines to be added to the start of each e-mail
message that got filtered through procmail:

"""
Loading state from /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db database
/home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db is an existing database, with 69 spam and 21 ham
"""

Which then caused mboxtrain, or the e-mail package to think the message
had zero headers (or something, this is just a guess).

Other then removing verbose lines from hammiefilter (but that is the
reason for setting verbose) there isn't much way around this other then
warn people what the cause of setting verbose and using hammiefilter.

Anyways, I'm have sucessfully moved from Outlook to Qmail/Courier IMAP and
I'm loving it (thanks Qmail, fetchmail, procmail, SquirrelMail and other
the wonders of dealing with mail under Unix)!

For those courious I have setup my Maildir/IMAP folders and mboxtrain very
similar to how imapfilter was setup.  When something is incorrectly
trained I just move it too the TrainHam or TrainSpam folder and a cron job
runs mboxtrain on those directories, then moves any messages to the
correct location (sorta).

A few questions, is it safe to just move messages between Maildir folders
(it seems to work but I don't trust it)?  Second is there anyway to send a
Maildir message file through procmail again, ie unsure that is really ham
will get refiltered through procmail and put into the correct location?

Thanks,

--
Tys von Gaza
tys@tvg.ca

> As imapfilter is broken for me I've decided to try mboxtrain instead
> (which is probably a better solution for my setup anyways).
>
> I run it as shown below.  It trains spam fine (appends the
> X-Spambayes-Classification header to the rest of the headers)
>  , however when it trains ham it replaces ALL the headers with the
> X-Spambayes-Classification header, leaving the e-mail pretty much
> useless.
>
> Any ideas why?  Am I doing something wrong?  Using about a day old cvs
> version, Python 2.2.2, Maildirs.
>
> Output below:
>
> [gaza@games gaza]$ python2.2 /home/gaza/spambayes/mboxtrain.py -d
> /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db -g /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/ -s
> /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/
> Loading state from /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db database
> /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db is an existing database, with 67 spam and 9
> ham
> Training ham (/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/):
>   Reading /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/cur as Maildir
>   Trained 2 out of 2 messages
> 1F40E3_0.games.pbgaming.com,S=4291:2,
> Training spam (/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/):
>   Reading /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/cur as Maildir
>   Trained  out of  messages
> Persisting /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db state in database
>
> --
> Tys von Gaza
> tys@tvg.ca
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>
>


From jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 15 09:20:14 2003
From: jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?=)
Date: Fri Aug 15 03:20:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Im Lost!
Message-ID: <20030815072014.74872.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi guys,
 
Here I am again. Forgive me for really bugging you.. but im really Lost.
 
I have a question in the tokenizer.py.
 
If the email contains images(Binary Block):
 
1) How does the tokenizer handle it? 
2) Does the tokenizer, tokenize the Binary block? 
3) What will the tokenizer do in case of a Binary Block? 
4) How can it determine that it is a Binary Block?
 
I appreciate it very much!
 
Thanks..
 
Jackie Lan Manlosa
 


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From tys at tvg.ca  Fri Aug 15 02:09:28 2003
From: tys at tvg.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Fri Aug 15 03:21:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mboxtrain ham headers overwritten
In-Reply-To: <4793.142.179.244.169.1060929746.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
References: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
	<4793.142.179.244.169.1060929746.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
Message-ID: <1712.142.179.244.169.1060931368.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>

And I'm wrong again (maybe I should go to sleep?) it was cause I was using
hammie instead of hammiefilter, duh!

-- 
Tys von Gaza
tys@tvg.ca

> Ok, found my error, and of course it was stupid but I didn't see it
> documented anywhere, so here it is.
>
> I had the following set in my ~/.spambayesrc
> [globals]
> verbose=True
>
> This caused the following lines to be added to the start of each e-mail
> message that got filtered through procmail:
>
> """
> Loading state from /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db database
> /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db is an existing database, with 69 spam and 21
> ham
> """
>
> Which then caused mboxtrain, or the e-mail package to think the message
> had zero headers (or something, this is just a guess).
>
> Other then removing verbose lines from hammiefilter (but that is the
> reason for setting verbose) there isn't much way around this other then
> warn people what the cause of setting verbose and using hammiefilter.
>
> Anyways, I'm have sucessfully moved from Outlook to Qmail/Courier IMAP and
> I'm loving it (thanks Qmail, fetchmail, procmail, SquirrelMail and other
> the wonders of dealing with mail under Unix)!
>
> For those courious I have setup my Maildir/IMAP folders and mboxtrain very
> similar to how imapfilter was setup.  When something is incorrectly
> trained I just move it too the TrainHam or TrainSpam folder and a cron job
> runs mboxtrain on those directories, then moves any messages to the
> correct location (sorta).
>
> A few questions, is it safe to just move messages between Maildir folders
> (it seems to work but I don't trust it)?  Second is there anyway to send a
> Maildir message file through procmail again, ie unsure that is really ham
> will get refiltered through procmail and put into the correct location?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Tys von Gaza
> tys@tvg.ca
>
>> As imapfilter is broken for me I've decided to try mboxtrain instead
>> (which is probably a better solution for my setup anyways).
>>
>> I run it as shown below.  It trains spam fine (appends the
>> X-Spambayes-Classification header to the rest of the headers)
>>  , however when it trains ham it replaces ALL the headers with the
>> X-Spambayes-Classification header, leaving the e-mail pretty much
>> useless.
>>
>> Any ideas why?  Am I doing something wrong?  Using about a day old cvs
>> version, Python 2.2.2, Maildirs.
>>
>> Output below:
>>
>> [gaza@games gaza]$ python2.2 /home/gaza/spambayes/mboxtrain.py -d
>> /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db -g /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/ -s
>> /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/
>> Loading state from /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db database
>> /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db is an existing database, with 67 spam and 9
>> ham
>> Training ham (/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/):
>>   Reading /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainHam/cur as Maildir
>>   Trained 2 out of 2 messages
>> 1F40E3_0.games.pbgaming.com,S=4291:2,
>> Training spam (/home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/):
>>   Reading /home/gaza/Maildir/.SB.TrainSpam/cur as Maildir
>>   Trained  out of  messages
>> Persisting /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db state in database
>>
>> --
>> Tys von Gaza
>> tys@tvg.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Spambayes mailing list
>> Spambayes@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From stephanedelaval at wanadoo.fr  Fri Aug 15 12:54:33 2003
From: stephanedelaval at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Delaval?=)
Date: Fri Aug 15 05:55:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayesaddin plugin not enabled
Message-ID: <EFEGLGBFHHLAAGOMLDGJIEJPCFAA.stephanedelaval@wanadoo.fr>

Hello
Thank you Mark / Adam. As per your suggestions, spambayes is now enabled and
running.
St?phane



From driglaz at msn.com  Fri Aug 15 10:02:24 2003
From: driglaz at msn.com (David Lazar)
Date: Fri Aug 15 09:02:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] hi
Message-ID: <000e01c3632d$78c720e0$6601a8c0@lw8>

the software and or  add-in Is not working, I tried most everything

Please help



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From jpoe at fulcrumit.com  Fri Aug 15 09:15:01 2003
From: jpoe at fulcrumit.com (Jim Poe)
Date: Fri Aug 15 11:17:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy_service and smtpproxy
Message-ID: <002601c36340$0055b6e0$800101df@fulcrumit.com>

Hi

I am using Spambayes-1.0a4 on Windows 2000, SP3, Python 2.3, and Outlook
Express.

When I explicitly start pop3proxy.py, it starts smtpproxy as expected.  If I
use pop3proxy_service.py, the smtpproxy is not started.  Any ideas why this
is happening?

Thanks

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Fulcrum InteTech, Inc.
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 15 11:54:27 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug 15 11:54:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mboxtrain ham headers overwritten
In-Reply-To: <4793.142.179.244.169.1060929746.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
References: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
	<4793.142.179.244.169.1060929746.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
Message-ID: <16189.563.364259.921642@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tys> Ok, found my error, and of course it was stupid but I didn't see it
    Tys> documented anywhere, so here it is.

    Tys> I had the following set in my ~/.spambayesrc
    Tys> [globals]
    Tys> verbose=True

    Tys> This caused the following lines to be added to the start of each
    Tys> e-mail message that got filtered through procmail:

    Tys> """
    Tys> Loading state from /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db database
    Tys> /home/gaza/maildata/bayes.db is an existing database, with 69 spam and 21 ham
    Tys> """

I think those messages should go to stderr.  storage.py is littered with
prints to stdout when verbose is set.

Skip

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Fri Aug 15 10:28:50 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:28:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] other problem look like bug?
In-Reply-To: <4793.142.179.244.169.1060929746.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
References: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
	<2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815092619.00bc2430@mail.i-sphere.com>

Hi there..

  I got spambayes problem.. I am using Unix procmail. It started give me 
problem with spambayes. :-(

Please help.. See below error.




---error log
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 178, in ?
     main()
   File "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 174, in main
     action(msg)
   File "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 125, in train_spam
     h.train_spam(msg, True)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 
217, i
n train_spam
     self.train(msg, True, add_header)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 
150, i
n train
     self.bayes.learn(tokenize(msg), is_spam)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 27
0, in learn
     self._add_msg(wordstream, is_spam)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 39
2, in _add_msg
     record = self._wordinfoget(word)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 
192,
in _wordinfoget
     r = self.db.get(word)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 111, in get
     return self[key]
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 119, in __getitem__
     value = Unpickler(f).load()
EOFError
----end


From fasty at i-sphere.com  Fri Aug 15 10:40:47 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:40:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>

Hi there...

  I checked the database look ok. How do i test the database to see if it 
still good or not.

I cant get spambayes working this time.

The database went over 16mb space. boom it stopped working. Look like 
database courpted? What is your suggest how fix this problem? I am running 
without spam filter arrggh


---
-rw-------   1 fasty  fasty  16322060 Aug 15 09:33 .hammiedb.dat
-rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.bak
-rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.dir
-----

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 15 12:45:00 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:45:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] other problem look like bug?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815092619.00bc2430@mail.i-sphere.com>
References: <2598.129.128.138.135.1060907963.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20030815092619.00bc2430@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <16189.3596.363650.538786@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    fasty> I got spambayes problem.. I am using Unix procmail. It started
    fasty> give me problem with spambayes. :-(

    ...
    fasty>    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 119, in __getitem__
    fasty>      value = Unpickler(f).load()
    fasty> EOFError

Looks like a corrupt training database.  Have you tried deleting it and
training from scratch?  What's the underlying database?

Skip

From beckman at purplecow.com  Fri Aug 15 13:44:05 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:45:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <20030815124213.X91671@thermonuclear.org>

Install py-bsddb3.  I had the same problem, except I had like a 32MB file.
Sucked, took 20 seconds to process a single email.

Installed py-bsddb3, down to under a second per email, a single hammiedb
file, and only 2.5MB DB.  Very nice.

thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> ll .hammiedb && file .hammiedb
-rw-r--r--  1 beckman  users  2555904 Aug 15 12:41 .hammiedb
.hammiedb: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)

You are using DumbDB.  Sucks.  Hate it.  don't use it.

Peter

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, fasty wrote:

> Hi there...
>
>   I checked the database look ok. How do i test the database to see if it
> still good or not.
>
> I cant get spambayes working this time.
>
> The database went over 16mb space. boom it stopped working. Look like
> database courpted? What is your suggest how fix this problem? I am running
> without spam filter arrggh
>
>
> ---
> -rw-------   1 fasty  fasty  16322060 Aug 15 09:33 .hammiedb.dat
> -rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.bak
> -rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.dir
> -----
>
> -trev
> http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -
>
> (Death to Spam!)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Beckman                                                  Internet Guy
beckman@purplecow.com                             http://www.purplecow.com/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 15 12:47:02 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:47:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <16189.3718.358401.77525@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    fasty> I checked the database look ok. How do i test the database to see
    fasty> if it still good or not.

    fasty> The database went over 16mb space. boom it stopped working. Look
    fasty> like database courpted? What is your suggest how fix this
    fasty> problem? I am running without spam filter arrggh

Yup.  Delete your database and start over.  It looks like you're using
dumbdbm.  Switch to another bsddb (you may have to install Berkeley DB from
Sleepycat) or switch to the pickle file setup.

Skip

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Fri Aug 15 10:49:42 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:48:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
In-Reply-To: <20030815124213.X91671@thermonuclear.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815094725.02800e68@mail.i-sphere.com>

Ok thanks, I am going try py-bsddb3.



At 12:44 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, Peter Beckman wrote:
>Install py-bsddb3.  I had the same problem, except I had like a 32MB file.
>Sucked, took 20 seconds to process a single email.
>
>Installed py-bsddb3, down to under a second per email, a single hammiedb
>file, and only 2.5MB DB.  Very nice.
>
>thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> ll .hammiedb && file .hammiedb
>-rw-r--r--  1 beckman  users  2555904 Aug 15 12:41 .hammiedb
>.hammiedb: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)
>
>You are using DumbDB.  Sucks.  Hate it.  don't use it.
>
>Peter
>
>On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, fasty wrote:
>
> > Hi there...
> >
> >   I checked the database look ok. How do i test the database to see if it
> > still good or not.
> >
> > I cant get spambayes working this time.
> >
> > The database went over 16mb space. boom it stopped working. Look like
> > database courpted? What is your suggest how fix this problem? I am running
> > without spam filter arrggh
> >
> >
> > ---
> > -rw-------   1 fasty  fasty  16322060 Aug 15 09:33 .hammiedb.dat
> > -rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.bak
> > -rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.dir
> > -----
> >
> > -trev
> > http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -
> >
> > (Death to Spam!)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Spambayes mailing list
> > Spambayes@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> >
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Peter Beckman                                                  Internet Guy
>beckman@purplecow.com                             http://www.purplecow.com/
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From szimmerman at centerpoint-prop.com  Fri Aug 15 12:51:16 2003
From: szimmerman at centerpoint-prop.com (Zimmerman, Scott)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:51:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
Message-ID: <92F5FFB803A5864C9A3E148BCDE1CE36F07FE0@email1.centerpoint-prop.com>

Hi,
I'm very interested in trying SpamBayes for our company so I'm trying to
install the Outlook Addin.
I've read through the trouble shooting guide, however, none of the
documented suggestions seem to help.  
The "SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe", seems to run fine, but I have no
menu in outlook.  I've checked the log, "customized" and "reset" my
toolbar, deleted the file "outcmd.dat".  I even tried the old Windows
standby of rebooting (at different stages).  Still it doesn't appear.'
 
Does anyone have any ideas?  
 
Thanks,
 
Scott Zimmerman
Chief Information Officer
CenterPoint Properties Trust
From fasty at i-sphere.com  Fri Aug 15 10:55:31 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:54:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
In-Reply-To: <20030815124213.X91671@thermonuclear.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20030815093716.027f3988@mail.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030815095335.02813b68@mail.i-sphere.com>

Perfect It works this time!... many thanks!!!! Suggest update on spambayes 
FAQ for anyone have that similar error on their unix procmail. :-)

$ file .hammiedb
.hammiedb: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)
$ ls -l .hammiedb
-rw-r--r--  1 fasty  fasty  24576 Aug 15 09:51 .hammiedb
$


At 12:44 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, Peter Beckman wrote:
>Install py-bsddb3.  I had the same problem, except I had like a 32MB file.
>Sucked, took 20 seconds to process a single email.
>
>Installed py-bsddb3, down to under a second per email, a single hammiedb
>file, and only 2.5MB DB.  Very nice.
>
>thermonuclear: 1 : ~ --> ll .hammiedb && file .hammiedb
>-rw-r--r--  1 beckman  users  2555904 Aug 15 12:41 .hammiedb
>.hammiedb: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)
>
>You are using DumbDB.  Sucks.  Hate it.  don't use it.
>
>Peter
>
>On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, fasty wrote:
>
> > Hi there...
> >
> >   I checked the database look ok. How do i test the database to see if it
> > still good or not.
> >
> > I cant get spambayes working this time.
> >
> > The database went over 16mb space. boom it stopped working. Look like
> > database courpted? What is your suggest how fix this problem? I am running
> > without spam filter arrggh
> >
> >
> > ---
> > -rw-------   1 fasty  fasty  16322060 Aug 15 09:33 .hammiedb.dat
> > -rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.bak
> > -rw-r--r--   1 fasty  fasty    896187 Aug 15 09:38 .hammiedb.dir
> > -----
> >
> > -trev
> > http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -
> >
> > (Death to Spam!)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Spambayes mailing list
> > Spambayes@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> >
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Peter Beckman                                                  Internet Guy
>beckman@purplecow.com                             http://www.purplecow.com/
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Aug 15 14:16:12 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Aug 15 13:16:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
In-Reply-To: <92F5FFB803A5864C9A3E148BCDE1CE36F07FE0@email1.centerpoint-prop.com>
Message-ID: <20030815171621.02AAF13E236@sack.dreamhost.com>

What version of outlook are you using? If it is the 2003 beta, make sure you
have installed the latest Technical Refresh for Outlook.

--Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Zimmerman, Scott
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
> 
> Hi,
> I'm very interested in trying SpamBayes for our company so I'm trying to
> install the Outlook Addin.
> I've read through the trouble shooting guide, however, none of the
> documented suggestions seem to help.
> The "SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe", seems to run fine, but I have no
> menu in outlook.  I've checked the log, "customized" and "reset" my
> toolbar, deleted the file "outcmd.dat".  I even tried the old Windows
> standby of rebooting (at different stages).  Still it doesn't appear.'
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott Zimmerman
> Chief Information Officer
> CenterPoint Properties Trust
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From Cheryle at peconet.com  Fri Aug 15 15:50:29 2003
From: Cheryle at peconet.com (Cheryle Ayscue)
Date: Fri Aug 15 14:49:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete
Message-ID: <71F3D911497CD511B63100B0D0AA63436E38@dellserver.domains.local>

Good Afternoon,

 

I just recently installed your software application into Outlook XP.
Thank you. 

Can you tell me how long should I keep email in the Spam folder for
training? I want to know when is it safe to delete it permanently, or if
I have to always leave the spam in that folder. I didn't know if I
should leave it in there for a certain period of time and then once the
software has learned that it's spam, I can delete it so I don't have so
much mail in that folder. Thanks for the help.  Have a blessed day!

 

 

Sincerely,

Cheryle Ayscue

Power Equipment Company

cheryle@peconet.com

 

as

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 15 15:18:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Aug 15 15:18:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete
In-Reply-To: <71F3D911497CD511B63100B0D0AA63436E38@dellserver.domains.local>
References: <71F3D911497CD511B63100B0D0AA63436E38@dellserver.domains.local>
Message-ID: <16189.12780.608479.521414@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Cheryle> Can you tell me how long should I keep email in the Spam folder
    Cheryle> for training?

This is a frequently asked question, asked so frequently we added it to the
list of frequently asked questions. ;-)  Check it out here:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html

You're probably most interested at the moment in question 4.6.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/

From lmullikin at stillwater.org  Fri Aug 15 16:34:36 2003
From: lmullikin at stillwater.org (Larry Mullikin)
Date: Fri Aug 15 16:39:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help
Message-ID: <00070F796F685741907ECCA5359F1D37D7518A@lab-pc-12.stillwater.org>

I have attached a screen shot of a problem I've got.  I need to change the
folder name in the "Certain Spam" from IPM_SUBTREE to Junkmail.  I hit the
browse button and there are no folders displayed.  How can I change this
directly?

 

 

Larry Mullikin, Fire Chief

Stillwater Fire Department

1510 S. Main

Stillwater, OK  74074

 

Contact Info:

Phone: (405) 742-8308

Fax: (405) 747-8050

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From jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Aug 16 05:50:12 2003
From: jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?=)
Date: Fri Aug 15 23:50:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help Im Lost!
Message-ID: <20030816035012.82339.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
 
Here I am again. Forgive me for really bugging you.. but im really Lost.
 
I have a question in the tokenizer.py.
 
If the email contains images(Binary Block):
 
1) How does the tokenizer handle it? 
2) Does the tokenizer, tokenize the Binary block? 
3) What will the tokenizer do in case of a Binary Block? 
4) How can it determine that it is a Binary Block?
 
I appreciate it very much!
 
Thanks..
 
Jackie Lan Manlosa



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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 18:24:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 01:25:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9235F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Perfect It works this time!... many thanks!!!! Suggest update 
> on spambayes 
> FAQ for anyone have that similar error on their unix procmail. :-)

<sigh />

FAQ 5.2.  It's been there a while.
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corr
upted

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 20:30:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 03:32:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92368@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[I've cc'd this to the list, because there are people much better suited
to answering this than me].

> Massively appreciated - spambayes is now working (at least as 
> a pop3 proxy). Also, the processed messages now show up 
> promptly when I refresh the 'review' page. 

Good to hear.

> Now, a completely different question.
> 
> It's great that SpamBayes is converging towards 100% accuracy.

Indeed :)

> But I still feel a bit annoyed that spammers can still 
> deposit their payloads into my /var/mail, and they're getting 
> paid for this, while I'm paying for the bandwidth.
> 
> What I'd really like is if there was some way of setting up 
> my mail system (Exim and procmail), so that when a spam gets 
> detected, spambayes causes Exim to hang the SMTP connection 
> (or drip-feed a response), and cause the spammer's box on the 
> other end to hang for a couple of minutes.
>
> Failing this, it would be good if I could cause SpamBayes to 
> spawn an arbitrary process (which takes the spammer's IP 
> address and MUA info as arguments).
> 
> For such an 'arbitrary process', I'd write be a python script 
> which deploys various offensive countermeasures against the 
> spammer box (eg probing ports, and if their box is running 
> windows, to send back some malformed packets.

The biggest problem with this is ensuring that you have accurately
identified the spammer, so you avoid attacking the poor folk that get
their addresses spoofed.  The last thing they need is more people
attacking them.  Plus I gather that this sort of thing is illegal in the
US (I have no idea about here in NZ, or how international law works).

> According to the SpamBayes review, the false positives rate 
> converges to zero (thanks to the 'unsure' category), so there 
> should be no problem in taking arms against a sea of penis 
> enlargement pills and deposits from Nigeria.

Well, according to what I read in today's NZListener
(http://listener.co.nz), if Wired is to be believed, then there are
actually a lot of people buying those pills.  Which might mean that
people people are helping those poor Nigerian folks with this money
transfer problems, too...

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 20:39:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 03:40:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My adventures with Spambayes...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92369@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I also suspected it was the IMAP was to blame.  We use a 
> Mirapoint Message Server for our mail.  I tried the "-i4" 
> option but didn't immediately see any "+000" timezones.

Hmm.  I might leave this for now, and if anyone else reports this
problem I'll have the code at hand to fix it.

[Assertion Error]
> So, I renamed hammie.db and tried training again, but, of 
> course, as is my custom, I got another traceback: 
[...]
> ValueError: spam count would go negative!

Sorry, I should have said to delete the messageinfo database as well.
This error means that spambayes thinks that it has already trained a
message and is trying correct the training.  Given that the database is
empty, though, it can't do so.

> I don't have time to look into this right now, so I just put 
> the old, corrupt, database back.

:)

> >> Tried to classify my Inbox again:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>   File "imapfilter.py", line 157, in _extract_fetch_data
> >>     mo = FETCH_RESPONSE_RE.match(response)
> >> TypeError: expected string or buffer
> Still have not seen this recur, but could the response have 
> come back as None?

I wouldn't have thought so, but I'm suspecting that that is the case,
though.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 20:47:06 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 03:48:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a4 broken; which_database.py lost
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9236A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > > My bet (and fear) is that I'm using dumbdb:
> > >             .hammiedb.bak: ASCII text
> > >             .hammiedb.dat: data
> > >             .hammiedb.dir: ASCII text
> >
> > Looks like it.
> 
> How do I check?

The existence of those files really gives it away.  Otherwise the
which_database script should tell you, although if that's not working...

> And if I am using DumbDB, how do I go about 
> moving to  Py-bsddb3 once I install it?  Do I have to start 
> training all over again,  or can I convert my DumbDB file(s) 
> to Py-bsddb3?

You can use the dbExpImp.py script to convert your database to a flat
text file (or pickle), install bsddb and then convert the text file to
bsddb.  However, this might not be a good idea - if the database is
corrupted, then you're just going to end up with a corrupted bsddb
database.  Training from scratch is the better option (lucky spambayes
learns so fast...)

>  Also, if I install Py-bsddb3, do I have to 
> re-compile/re-install  SpamBayes?

No.  The change will just happen.

>     thermonuclear: 2 : ~/spambayes-1.0a4/utilities --> 
> which_database.py
>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>     File "which_database.py", line 31, in ?
>         import dbhash
>     File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/dbhash.py", line 5, in ?
>         import bsddb
>     File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 40, in ?
>         import _bsddb
>     ImportError: No module named _bsddb

That makes sense :)  You don't have bsddb, so why would you be able to
import it.  I'll correct this.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 20:50:40 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 03:51:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering based on headers only?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9236B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Thursday, August 14, 2003, 4:35:25 AM, you wrote:
> >> And it seems to me that it doesn't see (?!) X-Spambayes header 
> >> somehow.
> MT> When you say "preview headers", do you mean the "view rfc822 
> MT> headers"
> 
> Account | Dispatch mail on server,
> and then View | Header autoview.

Hmm.  I don't have that menuitem.  I have View | RFC822 Headers, which
works for me.  I presume it's just the same thing renamed, though.

> I defeated this problem by prepending 
> X-Spambayes-Classification in the very beginning of the 
> message, by the way. Header preview still doesn't see the 
> header at the end, but filtering now works ;)

The options to put the classification in the subject or to fields should
also work, although they're not as nice as the separate header.

> MT> I'm using The Bat! 1.62 - is this what you have?  (not that it 
> MT> should make any difference, really)
> Hmm. It turned out to be 1.53d here - I was using some later 
> version but someone managed to downgrade it transparently somehow!
> 
> Thanks. I'll try installing newer version :)

It would be great to know if that works so that we can let other people
know.

Thanks,
Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 20:53:34 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 03:54:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] hi
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9236C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> the software and or  add-in Is not working, I tried most everything

Did you go through all the steps in the troubleshooting guide?

(You can find the online version here:
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spa
mbayes/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/
plain>)

In particular, we really need more information about what is going
wrong.  Did it install and you can't see the toolbar?  Did it not
install?  Does it simply not move the classified mail?  The log file (as
detailed in the troubleshooting guide) would be of great help too.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 16 20:59:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 16 04:00:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help Im Lost!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9236E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have a question in the tokenizer.py.
>  
> If the email contains images(Binary Block):
>  
> 1) How does the tokenizer handle it? 
> 2) Does the tokenizer, tokenize the Binary block? 
> 3) What will the tokenizer do in case of a Binary Block? 
> 4) How can it determine that it is a Binary Block?
>  
> I appreciate it very much!

The relevant bits in tokenizer.py are those that deal with "octet
parts".  (If you just search for "binary" in tokenizer.py, you'll find
the first section).

>From the comments: "there's no point decoding binary blobs (like
images)".  You should also read the comments at the start of the
tokenize_body() function.  Basically the first few characters of the
octet stream are turned into tokens.  The size is controlled by an
option.

Googling for "site:mail.python.org tokenize image spambayes" will bring
up some relevant messages about this from the archives, too.

=Tony Meyer

From Steve at HaHaHa.com.au  Sat Aug 16 19:12:43 2003
From: Steve at HaHaHa.com.au (Steve Davis)
Date: Sat Aug 16 04:12:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokens
Message-ID: <002a01c363ce$2b7979e0$0100a8c0@office>

Spambayes is most certainly converging on 100%, just like in the ads.
;o)
 
But I want to know more!  I have done my best to learn about message
tokens.  I have RTFFAQ, I have browsed the troubleshooting guide, I have
perused the home page all to no avail.
 
Can someone please explain message tokens?  Technical answer is fine.
 
All the best 
Steve Davis 

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From driglaz at msn.com  Sat Aug 16 09:44:58 2003
From: driglaz at msn.com (David Lazar)
Date: Sat Aug 16 08:45:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Hi please help
Message-ID: <000001c363f4$335a93d0$6501a8c0@lw8>

I am using windows xp and outlook 2002
And spam  bayes 007
I do not see any log files


As of Thursday morning, spam bayes stopped working.

I have re-installed spam bayes
I have repaired outlook 
I have went threw the documentation several times.

While the addin -.dll file is in the folder it does not stick when I attempt
add it


Please help

Thanks


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From skip at pobox.com  Sat Aug 16 10:01:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat Aug 16 10:01:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokens
In-Reply-To: <002a01c363ce$2b7979e0$0100a8c0@office>
References: <002a01c363ce$2b7979e0$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <16190.14643.223466.576834@montanaro.dyndns.org>

 
    Steve> Can someone please explain message tokens?  Technical answer is
    Steve> fine.

Tokens are roughly words, so if I tokenized "Mary had a little lamb", the
tokens would be

    ["Mary", "had", "a", "little", "lamb"]

However, there is structure and context in messages, stuff like where it
came from, how many people it was sent to, how large it is, if it has
non-ASCII text, what URLs are embedded in the message, and so on.  Some of
this "meta" information is useful when trying to distinguish spam from ham.
The SpamBayes tokenizer attempts to quantify this stuff as synthetic
tokens.  My token database has this entry:

    >>> db["url:python"]
    (143, 5248)

This simply means that URLs containing "python" appeared 5248 times in hams
and only 143 times in spam.  The synthetic token "url:python" is thus a
fairly strong indicator that a message is ham.

Skip


From beckman at purplecow.com  Sat Aug 16 11:46:46 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Sat Aug 16 10:48:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9235F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9235F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030816104456.M91671@thermonuclear.org>

What about adding the fact that dumbdb creates 3 files, while the other,
preferable databases create only 1 file.  And this is what it looks like
using the "file" command on unix:

Good DB:
    .hammiedb: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)

DumbDB (BAD):
    .hammiedb.bak: ASCII text
    .hammiedb.dat: data
    .hammiedb.dir: ASCII text

This information would have helped me in the beginning to determine that I
was using dumbdb (since which_database.py didn't show up until after 1.0A4
release).

Beckman

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > Perfect It works this time!... many thanks!!!! Suggest update
> > on spambayes
> > FAQ for anyone have that similar error on their unix procmail. :-)
>
> <sigh />
>
> FAQ 5.2.  It's been there a while.
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corr
> upted
>
> =Tony Meyer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>

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From beckman at purplecow.com  Sat Aug 16 11:51:58 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Sat Aug 16 10:53:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92368@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92368@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030816104947.G91671@thermonuclear.org>

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > What I'd really like is if there was some way of setting up
> > my mail system (Exim and procmail), so that when a spam gets
> > detected, spambayes causes Exim to hang the SMTP connection
> > (or drip-feed a response), and cause the spammer's box on the
> > other end to hang for a couple of minutes.

 Don't forget that some spammers use legitimate SMTP servers to send spam;
 if someone sends spam from a shared server, you could be preventing tens,
 hundreds or even thousands of users from sending their legitimate non-spam
 email.  More importantly, doing so could make an ISP consider it a DOS
 attack, call YOUR ISP, and get YOU kicked off.

 It's bad form, in my opinion.  Try something else, like suing them in
 court, and not letting it drop until they pay.  That's what I did.

 http://purplecow.com/vaspam/first.php

Peter
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From wsy at merl.com  Sat Aug 16 12:18:49 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Sat Aug 16 11:19:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
In-Reply-To: <20030816104947.G91671@thermonuclear.org> (message from Peter
	Beckman on Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:51:58 -0400 (EDT))
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92368@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<20030816104947.G91671@thermonuclear.org>
Message-ID: <200308161518.h7GFInI18603@localhost.localdomain>


   From: Peter Beckman <beckman@purplecow.com>

   On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

   > > What I'd really like is if there was some way of setting up
   > > my mail system (Exim and procmail), so that when a spam gets
   > > detected, spambayes causes Exim to hang the SMTP connection
   > > (or drip-feed a response), and cause the spammer's box on the
   > > other end to hang for a couple of minutes.

    Don't forget that some spammers use legitimate SMTP servers to send spam;
    if someone sends spam from a shared server, you could be preventing tens,
    hundreds or even thousands of users from sending their legitimate non-spam
    email.  More importantly, doing so could make an ISP consider it a DOS
    attack, call YOUR ISP, and get YOU kicked off.

Um, how could passively hanging a connection _initiated by the other side_
be considered a DOS attack?

Sure, if *I* initiated the connection, it might be DOS, but these are
_incoming_ connections from the other site.

   -Crash















From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug 16 12:59:50 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Aug 16 12:00:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokens
In-Reply-To: <002a01c363ce$2b7979e0$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDNFDAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Steve Davis]
> Spambayes is most certainly converging on 100%, just like in the ads.
> ;o)
>
> But I want to know more!  I have done my best to learn about message
> tokens.  I have RTFFAQ, I have browsed the troubleshooting guide, I
> have perused the home page all to no avail.
>
> Can someone please explain message tokens?  Technical answer is fine.

If you're not used to open source projects, you may not have noticed that we
give you all the source code <wink> -- everything there is to know about
spambayes tokens is in tokenizer.py.  Summarizing what's there is
necessarily inaccurate, because there's no "overriding principle":  a huge
variety of tokenization gimmicks have been tried, and the ones that survived
are the ones that testing said worked best.  So the mix of gimmicks we
currently use isn't driven by logic, it's driven by test results.  As a
result, it's quite a hodge-podge (for example, we preserve case in Subject
lines, but ignore case almost everywhere else, and there's no explanation
for that beyond archived test results).


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Sat Aug 16 18:01:55 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Sat Aug 16 17:02:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB105@SPIKE.city>

Much as we (and our users) dislike spam, it's useful to remember that many things are worse. For example, spam messages could be paper junk mail, which doesn't vanish at the touch of a button.

BTW, didn't one of the purveyors of canned animal scraps threaten to sue anybody who used the word "spam" in a software product name? Is Spambayes immune from that threat? Or had we better not get too attached to the name?

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Beckman [mailto:beckman@purplecow.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Meyer, Tony
> Cc: David McNab; SpamBayes List
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
> 
> 
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> 
> > > What I'd really like is if there was some way of setting up
> > > my mail system (Exim and procmail), so that when a spam gets
> > > detected, spambayes causes Exim to hang the SMTP connection
> > > (or drip-feed a response), and cause the spammer's box on the
> > > other end to hang for a couple of minutes.
> 
>  Don't forget that some spammers use legitimate SMTP servers to send spam;
>  if someone sends spam from a shared server, you could be preventing tens,
>  hundreds or even thousands of users from sending their legitimate non-spam
>  email.  More importantly, doing so could make an ISP consider it a DOS
>  attack, call YOUR ISP, and get YOU kicked off.
> 
>  It's bad form, in my opinion.  Try something else, like suing them in
>  court, and not letting it drop until they pay.  That's what I did.

From razzle at gmx.de  Sun Aug 17 01:05:07 2003
From: razzle at gmx.de (Razzle Dazzle)
Date: Sat Aug 16 18:05:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.0.20030816233526.01e842f8@localhost>

Hi!

I get the following two errors when sending mail with Eudora (email 
provider dependant, first one only for
1und1.com accounts, 2nd one for web.de and gmx.de accounts):

1. There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: MAIL FROM: 
<emailaddress> and then the SMTP server (localhost) said: 530 
Authentication required.

2. There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: QUIT and then 
the SMTP server (localhost) said: 502 (mp023) Unimplemented.

While the 2nd error does not prevent mails from arriving, the 1st one means 
sending failed.

I'm using Eudora 6.0.0.14 Beta, WinXP, spambayes pop3proxy Beta1, version 
0.1, engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2
Outgoing mails are scanned for viruses by Norton Antivirus 2002.


Regards,

Razzle



From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Aug 16 16:05:36 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Sat Aug 16 18:05:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB105@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <3F3EAAB0.30542C0F@whidbey.com>

No, there is no delete button on junk mail, but then, you can't recycle spam.

Hormel has never, to the best of my knowledge, sued anyone for use of the term "spam" to refer to junk e-mail. They will sue to stop use of images of the product, they consider SPAM (all caps) to be a trademark, and they have
moved to block a trademark application by SpamArrest. As long as we don't have a reason to register SpamBayes as a trademark, we seem to be in the clear.

The Hormel corporate position on the subject is here:
http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm

Van

"Coe, Bob" wrote:

> Much as we (and our users) dislike spam, it's useful to remember that many things are worse. For example, spam messages could be paper junk mail, which doesn't vanish at the touch of a button.
>
> BTW, didn't one of the purveyors of canned animal scraps threaten to sue anybody who used the word "spam" in a software product name? Is Spambayes immune from that threat? Or had we better not get too attached to the name?
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Beckman [mailto:beckman@purplecow.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:52 AM
> > To: Meyer, Tony
> > Cc: David McNab; SpamBayes List
> > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> >
> > > > What I'd really like is if there was some way of setting up
> > > > my mail system (Exim and procmail), so that when a spam gets
> > > > detected, spambayes causes Exim to hang the SMTP connection
> > > > (or drip-feed a response), and cause the spammer's box on the
> > > > other end to hang for a couple of minutes.
> >
> >  Don't forget that some spammers use legitimate SMTP servers to send spam;
> >  if someone sends spam from a shared server, you could be preventing tens,
> >  hundreds or even thousands of users from sending their legitimate non-spam
> >  email.  More importantly, doing so could make an ISP consider it a DOS
> >  attack, call YOUR ISP, and get YOU kicked off.
> >
> >  It's bad form, in my opinion.  Try something else, like suing them in
> >  court, and not letting it drop until they pay.  That's what I did.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug 16 19:38:27 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Aug 16 18:38:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB105@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEEHFDAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Bob Coe]
> Much as we (and our users) dislike spam, it's useful to remember
> that many things are worse. For example, spam messages could be
> paper junk mail, which doesn't vanish at the touch of a button.

Heh.  I like spam <wink>.

> BTW, didn't one of the purveyors of canned animal scraps threaten
> to sue anybody who used the word "spam" in a software product name?
> Is Spambayes immune from that threat? Or had we better not get too
> attached to the name?

SPAM is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods Corporation.  Their own
website has long condoned the use of "spam" (all lowercase) for junk mail:

    http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm

But then, as happens with all corporations with a lawyer, things get tricky.
In July of this year, Hormel challenged two trademark applications related
to the SpamArrest program.  It's hard to get an accurate view of what that's
about since the press is variously clueless or hysterical.  From Hormel's
site,

    We do not object to use of this slang term to describe UCE,
    although we do object to the use of the word "spam" as a
    trademark and to the use of our product image in association
    with that term.  Also, if the term is to be used, it should be
    used in all lower-case letters to distinguish it from our
    trademark SPAM, which should be used with all uppercase letters.

    This slang term, which generically describes UCE, does not affect
    the strength of our trademark SPAM.

You can easily research US trademark applications on the web:

    http://www.uspto.gov/

I found 66 today with "spam" in the name, and before I got bored it was
clear that most applications were either newly filed or abandoned.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be surprised if Hormel prevails (for reasons they
explain quite well on their site!).  If they do prevail, you don't need a
truck scale to measure my attraction to the name "SpamBayes".


From daniel at sokolov.eu.org  Sun Aug 17 03:15:13 2003
From: daniel at sokolov.eu.org (Daniel AJ Sokolov)
Date: Sat Aug 16 20:14:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which Servers are needed by SpamBayes?
Message-ID: <EHEDKEIGILOHBBEPNMGJGEDHECAA.daniel@sokolov.eu.org>

Hi,

I have just installed the Outlook2000-Plugin 0.7 on a Windows XP  SP1 system
that is protected by a software firewall. I would like to use the "Chek for
Update"-Function.

For that I have to change the settings of the firewall, in order to enable
Outlook to contact the update information server.

However, as SpamBayes is trying contact a different server every time, I
can't.

How many servers are there that SpamBayes needs to contact for the update
function or for any other reason?

How can I reduce the used update information servers to just one or two?

Thank you for any advice
Daniel AJ

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for here."
Ed Crane in 'The Man Who Wasn't There'



From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sun Aug 17 02:38:34 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sat Aug 16 21:38:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web interface problem when using hammie.py
Message-ID: <1061084199.1195.8.camel@rebirth>

Hi,

I've switched to using hammie.py as a procmail filter.

However, when I hit the web interface to train on received messages,
they don't show up in the review page.

What should I do, so that I can filter my incoming mail with hammie.py,
yet be able to review them and train via the web interface?

-- 
Cheers
David



From alan at firingsquad.com  Sat Aug 16 20:18:30 2003
From: alan at firingsquad.com (Alan Dang)
Date: Sat Aug 16 22:20:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Addin under CodeWeaver's Crossover
Message-ID: <MCECILLCHJPFGPJPFBOJEEDNEFAA.alan@firingsquad.com>

Crossover is the commercial implementation of WINE optimized for MS Office.
Since they support opensource, maybe they'd be interested in helping you
optimize the Outlook plugin code to work well with Crossover.

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/office/

Alan Dang


From meir at tiltan-se.co.il  Sun Aug 17 12:54:23 2003
From: meir at tiltan-se.co.il (Meir Porat)
Date: Sun Aug 17 04:57:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enable
Message-ID: <38A3243F82DE3F48B7CFD9986677925EFA58@eli.tiltan-se.co.il>

How to enable the Addin in Outlook 2000?
The toolbar is there , but it requires "Enabling".
 
Meir 

  _____  

 
<http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo&El=hotbar%5felement%3
bst%3b&SG=&RAND=97743> Upgrade Your Email - Click here! 
From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sun Aug 17 12:09:31 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 17 07:09:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I...
Message-ID: <1061118451.3636.1.camel@rebirth>

Sorry to ask again, but I suspect I might not have asked the right
question before.

How do I run hammie.py or hammiefilter.py so that the filtered messages
get written to the store, able to be later displayed and trained on the
web interface?

-- 
Cheers
David



From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sun Aug 17 15:35:05 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 17 10:35:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Ann: A SpamBayes Teergruber (fights back against
	spammers)
Message-ID: <1061130781.3940.45.camel@rebirth>

Hi folks,

I spent most of this fine Sunday hacking up a teergruber for SpamBayes.

http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/mtaproxy

Q. What's a 'teergrube'?
A. A teergrube (german for 'tarpit') is a program which causes spammers'
mail servers to grind to a virtual halt, by sending back incomplete SMTP
response lines. If there are enough teergrubes around the world,
spammers will go broke.
see http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/usenet/teergrube.en.html

my little script, mtaproxy.py, is intended to be launched in place of
your usual MTA.

mtaproxy.py is an SMTP server which listens on port 25, accepts incoming
connections, talks SMTP to the MTA or MUA on the other end, receives the
headers and data. It pipes the data through SpamBayes'
'hammiefilter.py', and extracts the 'X-Spambayes-Classification' header
to see what SpamBayes thinks of it.

If SpamBayes decides the message is spam, mtaproxy goes into a mode of
drip-feeding SMTP responses back to the spammer's MTA. After a
designated 'torture time' (set as a config option), mtaproxy finally
sends back a 550 error code.

Also, mtaproxy logs the complete spam message, prepended with headers
containing the IP address of the spammer's MTA and the time of the
incident (in GMT), plus the full message - which should be enough to
support a complaint to the spammer's ISP should you so desire.

On the other hand, if SpamBayes rules 'ham' or 'unsure', mtaproxy fires
up your MTA in 'stdio mode' (ie, as if launched by inetd), and conducts
an SMTP session to get the mail delivered normally.

I've written mtaproxy to use Exim, since that's the MTA I use (debian).
But if you use sendmail or another MTA, then you shouldn't have any
trouble if you just configure mtaproxy with a command that launches your
MTA in stdio-mode (ie receiving commands and sending responses via
standard input and output streams, instead of via sockets).

The script seems to be working fine for me - but I release it here with
the usual alpha-code warnings - don't trust this until you've supervised
it with console logging enabled.

Enjoy!


Cheers
David


From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sun Aug 17 15:45:00 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 17 10:45:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Ann: A SpamBayes Teergruber (fights back against
	spammers)
In-Reply-To: <1061130781.3940.45.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061130781.3940.45.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <1061131377.3939.52.camel@rebirth>

A couple of additional notes:

1) I haven't found a way to get hammiefilter.py to archive the messages
it filters (so that I can train spambayes via the web interface).

2) when forwarding non-spam messages to the mta, mtaproxy does not add
the spambayes headers

3) If you want to use the web interface for training, you need to run
the spambayes pop3server (with the smtp server settings empty, so as not
to run an smtp proxy). Then, you'll be able to train via the web
interface (which I find the most convenient).

4) Yes - I know - with this scheme, messages end up going through
spambayes twice - once through hammiefilter.py, and once via the pop3
proxy. But it gave me the fastest way to get things running easily.
Suggestions and ideas welcome.

Cheers
David


On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 02:33, David McNab wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I spent most of this fine Sunday hacking up a teergruber for SpamBayes.
> 
> http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/mtaproxy
> 
> Q. What's a 'teergrube'?
> A. A teergrube (german for 'tarpit') is a program which causes spammers'
> mail servers to grind to a virtual halt, by sending back incomplete SMTP
> response lines. If there are enough teergrubes around the world,
> spammers will go broke.
> see http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/usenet/teergrube.en.html
> 
> my little script, mtaproxy.py, is intended to be launched in place of
> your usual MTA.
> 
> mtaproxy.py is an SMTP server which listens on port 25, accepts incoming
> connections, talks SMTP to the MTA or MUA on the other end, receives the
> headers and data. It pipes the data through SpamBayes'
> 'hammiefilter.py', and extracts the 'X-Spambayes-Classification' header
> to see what SpamBayes thinks of it.
> 
> If SpamBayes decides the message is spam, mtaproxy goes into a mode of
> drip-feeding SMTP responses back to the spammer's MTA. After a
> designated 'torture time' (set as a config option), mtaproxy finally
> sends back a 550 error code.
> 
> Also, mtaproxy logs the complete spam message, prepended with headers
> containing the IP address of the spammer's MTA and the time of the
> incident (in GMT), plus the full message - which should be enough to
> support a complaint to the spammer's ISP should you so desire.
> 
> On the other hand, if SpamBayes rules 'ham' or 'unsure', mtaproxy fires
> up your MTA in 'stdio mode' (ie, as if launched by inetd), and conducts
> an SMTP session to get the mail delivered normally.
> 
> I've written mtaproxy to use Exim, since that's the MTA I use (debian).
> But if you use sendmail or another MTA, then you shouldn't have any
> trouble if you just configure mtaproxy with a command that launches your
> MTA in stdio-mode (ie receiving commands and sending responses via
> standard input and output streams, instead of via sockets).
> 
> The script seems to be working fine for me - but I release it here with
> the usual alpha-code warnings - don't trust this until you've supervised
> it with console logging enabled.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> 
> Cheers
> David
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
-- 
Cheers
David


From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sun Aug 17 15:46:52 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 17 10:46:54 2003
Subject: one last thing (was: Re: [Spambayes] Ann: A SpamBayes Teergruber
	(fights back against spammers))
In-Reply-To: <1061131377.3939.52.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061130781.3940.45.camel@rebirth>
	<1061131377.3939.52.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <1061131490.3939.54.camel@rebirth>

If you want to see mtaproxy in action, point your MUA or MTA at
freenet.org.nz

Cheers
David

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 02:42, David McNab wrote:
> A couple of additional notes:
> 
> 1) I haven't found a way to get hammiefilter.py to archive the messages
> it filters (so that I can train spambayes via the web interface).
> 
> 2) when forwarding non-spam messages to the mta, mtaproxy does not add
> the spambayes headers
> 
> 3) If you want to use the web interface for training, you need to run
> the spambayes pop3server (with the smtp server settings empty, so as not
> to run an smtp proxy). Then, you'll be able to train via the web
> interface (which I find the most convenient).
> 
> 4) Yes - I know - with this scheme, messages end up going through
> spambayes twice - once through hammiefilter.py, and once via the pop3
> proxy. But it gave me the fastest way to get things running easily.
> Suggestions and ideas welcome.
> 
> Cheers
> David
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 02:33, David McNab wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I spent most of this fine Sunday hacking up a teergruber for SpamBayes.
> > 
> > http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/mtaproxy
> > 
> > Q. What's a 'teergrube'?
> > A. A teergrube (german for 'tarpit') is a program which causes spammers'
> > mail servers to grind to a virtual halt, by sending back incomplete SMTP
> > response lines. If there are enough teergrubes around the world,
> > spammers will go broke.
> > see http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/usenet/teergrube.en.html
> > 
> > my little script, mtaproxy.py, is intended to be launched in place of
> > your usual MTA.
> > 
> > mtaproxy.py is an SMTP server which listens on port 25, accepts incoming
> > connections, talks SMTP to the MTA or MUA on the other end, receives the
> > headers and data. It pipes the data through SpamBayes'
> > 'hammiefilter.py', and extracts the 'X-Spambayes-Classification' header
> > to see what SpamBayes thinks of it.
> > 
> > If SpamBayes decides the message is spam, mtaproxy goes into a mode of
> > drip-feeding SMTP responses back to the spammer's MTA. After a
> > designated 'torture time' (set as a config option), mtaproxy finally
> > sends back a 550 error code.
> > 
> > Also, mtaproxy logs the complete spam message, prepended with headers
> > containing the IP address of the spammer's MTA and the time of the
> > incident (in GMT), plus the full message - which should be enough to
> > support a complaint to the spammer's ISP should you so desire.
> > 
> > On the other hand, if SpamBayes rules 'ham' or 'unsure', mtaproxy fires
> > up your MTA in 'stdio mode' (ie, as if launched by inetd), and conducts
> > an SMTP session to get the mail delivered normally.
> > 
> > I've written mtaproxy to use Exim, since that's the MTA I use (debian).
> > But if you use sendmail or another MTA, then you shouldn't have any
> > trouble if you just configure mtaproxy with a command that launches your
> > MTA in stdio-mode (ie receiving commands and sending responses via
> > standard input and output streams, instead of via sockets).
> > 
> > The script seems to be working fine for me - but I release it here with
> > the usual alpha-code warnings - don't trust this until you've supervised
> > it with console logging enabled.
> > 
> > Enjoy!
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Spambayes mailing list
> > Spambayes@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
-- 
Kind regards
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--

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From edrubins at andisplace.com  Sun Aug 17 12:17:50 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Sun Aug 17 11:17:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030817110941.00acf008@localhost>

Razzel wrote:

 >> . There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: QUIT and then
 >> the SMTP server (localhost) said: 502 (mp023) Unimplemented.

I'm seing the same thing with Eudora 5.1. The fact both of us are using 
Norton AntiVirus 2002, and no one else seems to be seeing the problem leads 
me to believe that either it is Norton related or that no one else is using 
Eudora.

I'm in the process of adding some logging to smtpproxy.py in an attempt to 
figure this one out. If I can come up withe an answer (or a good guess) 
I'll post it to the list.

BTW, doesn't Eudora 6 include bayesien (SP?) filtering?

Best, Ed



From altis at semi-retired.com  Sun Aug 17 11:23:11 2003
From: altis at semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis)
Date: Sun Aug 17 13:15:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train Outlook using external SPAM sources?
Message-ID: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPOEGHEBAA.altis@semi-retired.com>

Since I started using SpamBayes in May I've been keeping my spam in the SPAM
folder rather than periodically deleting it like I used to. Well, I just
exported the SPAM folder as a .pst file and 4300 messages total over 45MB.
Naturally, I don't like keeping this around as part of my main outlook.pst
file. However, I know I'll probably have to train SpamBayes again with spam
I've already received, so I'm wondering if there is some way I could select
one or more external sources for training? Keeping one or more external .pst
or other format spam folders around would be acceptable, I just don't want
them in my main outlook.pst which I backup...

Alternatively, maybe there is some way to keep the results of previous
trainings from known spam, so that I can back that info up and not need to
keep the original spam messages around for future training? Overall, I would
like to be able to get back to periodically deleting my spam without
worrying about the need for future training.

Thanks,

ka
---
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altis@semi-retired.com
http://altis.pycs.net/
http://www.pythoncard.org/


From beckman at purplecow.com  Sun Aug 17 14:22:28 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Sun Aug 17 13:24:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Another SpamBayes question
In-Reply-To: <200308161518.h7GFInI18603@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92368@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<20030816104947.G91671@thermonuclear.org>
	<200308161518.h7GFInI18603@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20030817131557.P91671@thermonuclear.org>

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Bill Yerazunis wrote:

>    From: Peter Beckman <beckman@purplecow.com>
>     Don't forget that some spammers use legitimate SMTP servers to send spam;
>     if someone sends spam from a shared server, you could be preventing tens,
>     hundreds or even thousands of users from sending their legitimate non-spam
>     email.  More importantly, doing so could make an ISP consider it a DOS
>     attack, call YOUR ISP, and get YOU kicked off.
>
> Um, how could passively hanging a connection _initiated by the other side_
> be considered a DOS attack?
>
> Sure, if *I* initiated the connection, it might be DOS, but these are
> _incoming_ connections from the other site.

 Yes, that's true.  I find it kind of difficult to determine that a piece
 of mail is spam while the user is still connected -- after they deliver
 the payload, if you don't do anything for a few (say 30) they
 auto-disconnect (send a TCP reset or close) and your new feature does
 nothing.

 At the same time, you are, in effect, still causing a DOS, regardless of
 if you connected first, because other users will have fewer and fewer
 ports and CPU time to connect to send real mail, and you are causing that
 problem.  If you stay out of it, let the ISP deal with it, you will cause
 less headaches.  The amount of spam you will slow down until the spammers
 figure a way around it is, IMHO, insignificant, and thus not worth the
 effort in implementing such a method.  Besides, regardless of who
 initiated the connection, the ISP will happily attack you as the problem,
 whereas the spammer really should be at fault (but they might not perceive
 it as such).

 Bill, you may not agree, that's cool; I used to work at an ISP though, and
 we tried hard to keep people from spamming, even kept logs of the # of
 SMTP connections from which IPs and warning us when that went above a
 threshold.  But if we logged into one of the mail servers and saw 1900
 hanging connections from bla.com, we'd kill the connections, block
 bla.com, and hunt bla.com down.  Meanwhile, the spammer continues to spam
 away to other domains while we're distracted by a perceived DOS attack on
 our SMTP system.

Beckman
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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beckman@purplecow.com                             http://www.purplecow.com/
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From m.mekkestorm at chello.nl  Sun Aug 17 20:23:00 2003
From: m.mekkestorm at chello.nl (m.mekkestorm)
Date: Sun Aug 17 13:24:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000801c364e4$3c303820$54aec23e@mevrc41mmud9eo>


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 17 15:00:21 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Sun Aug 17 14:00:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] setup.py needs python > 2.2.3
Message-ID: <BAY9-F55yJdakDLknMr00036739@hotmail.com>

setup.py ( today's cvs) doesn't work with python - 2.2.3  , at least on 
linux:

./setup.py
/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py:215: UserWarning: Unknown distribution 
option: 'classifiers'
  warnings.warn(msg)

setup.py tests as follows:

# patch distutils if it can't cope with the "classifiers" keyword.
# this just makes it ignore it.
if sys.version < '2.2.3':
    from distutils.dist import DistributionMetadata
    DistributionMetadata.classifiers = None

I changed the test to < '2.2.4'.  Worked for me. But ... does it really work 
for 2.2.4 +?

sean

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sun Aug 17 12:22:49 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Sun Aug 17 14:22:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train Outlook using external SPAM sources?
References: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPOEGHEBAA.altis@semi-retired.com>
Message-ID: <3F3FC7F9.B7A62D0F@whidbey.com>

If you're getting that volume of messages, there really isn't much reason to
keep old spam around for training, new spam will be available quickly enough.

Van

Kevin Altis wrote:

> Since I started using SpamBayes in May I've been keeping my spam in the SPAM
> folder rather than periodically deleting it like I used to. Well, I just
> exported the SPAM folder as a .pst file and 4300 messages total over 45MB.
> Naturally, I don't like keeping this around as part of my main outlook.pst
> file. However, I know I'll probably have to train SpamBayes again with spam
> I've already received, so I'm wondering if there is some way I could select
> one or more external sources for training? Keeping one or more external .pst
> or other format spam folders around would be acceptable, I just don't want
> them in my main outlook.pst which I backup...
>
> Alternatively, maybe there is some way to keep the results of previous
> trainings from known spam, so that I can back that info up and not need to
> keep the original spam messages around for future training? Overall, I would
> like to be able to get back to periodically deleting my spam without
> worrying about the need for future training.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ka
> ---
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Aug 17 15:48:18 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Aug 17 14:48:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train Outlook using external SPAM sources?
In-Reply-To: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPOEGHEBAA.altis@semi-retired.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEHNFDAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Kevin Altis]
> Since I started using SpamBayes in May I've been keeping my spam in
> the SPAM folder rather than periodically deleting it like I used to.
> Well, I just exported the SPAM folder as a .pst file and 4300
> messages total over 45MB. Naturally, I don't like keeping this around
> as part of my main outlook.pst file.

Outlook can have any number of .pst files open, and SpamBayes can deal with
folders in a mix of .pst files.  I have a distinct ZTrain.pst file for
holding both ham and spam training data, initially created via:

    File ->
        New ->
            Personal Folders File (.pst)...

Type in the name you want; I picked ZTrain.pst so it would show up at the
bottom of the (alphabetical) list of .pst files in OL's Folder List pane.

Inside ZTrain.pst I created folders named Ham and Spam.  The Outlook addin
was then configured to move spam directly into that Spam folder.  All my ham
training data is in the Ham folder, populated by copying various ham msgs
into it.

I don't find much need to train anymore, so rarely copy ham msgs anymore.
About once a day I delete the new msgs in the Spam folder too (easy to
recognize since they're unread).  This I do by moving them into my main .pst
file's Deleted Items folder.  The rest of the day's email I don't want
anymore is in there too.  Deleted Items is set to sort on the spam score
column.  That makes it easy to find the high-scoring ham and low-scoring
spam, and if any of those bother me I move them into ZTrain (or, a couple
times a year so far, analyze why the scores aren't stronger, stumble into a
new spammer trick, and check in tokenizer changes to castrate it).

My addin is also configured to train *only* on the Ham and Spam folders in
ZTrain.pst.  This way I always know exactly what I've trained on, and can
rebuild my spambayes database any time.

> However, I know I'll probably have to train SpamBayes again with spam
> I've already received, so I'm wondering if there is some way I could
> select one or more external sources for training?

As above, open all the .pst files you like in Outlook, and select the
folders you want from them.

> Keeping one or more external .pst or other format spam folders around
> would be acceptable, I just don't want them in my main outlook.pst
> which I backup...

Maybe you need a modern backup system <wink>.  I started moving training
data into a distinct .pst file because transferring my main .pst file
between desktop and laptop via LapLink over a printer-port cable was getting
too time-consuming.

> Alternatively, maybe there is some way to keep the results of previous
> trainings from known spam, so that I can back that info up and not
> need to keep the original spam messages around for future training?

That's a bad idea for several reasons, including that tokenizer changes
require the original email to do any good.

> Overall, I would like to be able to get back to periodically deleting
> my spam without worrying about the need for future training.

The system only knows what it's trained on, and at any moment can only learn
what the tokenizer has been taught to extract at that moment.  Any msg you
throw away can simply never be trained on again.

OTOH, the system learns quickly enough, so don't be overly afraid of simply
throwing all your training data away and starting over from scratch.  Making
that painless is another reason I keep *copies* of ham in my ZTrain Ham
folder (i.e., it does no harm if I throw them away, since they're just
copies).


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 17 22:17:39 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Aug 17 16:17:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web interface problem when using hammie.py
In-Reply-To: <1061084199.1195.8.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061084199.1195.8.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <s6ovjvo76uqm4d7fv1ran7rdlr63h7tvns@4ax.com>

Hi David,

> What should I do, so that I can filter my incoming mail with hammie.py,
> yet be able to review them and train via the web interface?

You need to use proxytee.py.  Run it with --help to get some instructions.
It acts like a procmail filter that doesn't do any filtering, but instead
uploads the message into the web interface for training.  You need to be
running pop3proxy.py for it to work, and for the web interface to be
available, but you don't need to configure any POP3 accounts.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 12:27:57 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 19:28:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enable
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9252E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> How to enable the Addin in Outlook 2000?
> The toolbar is there , but it requires "Enabling".

Please read FAQ 3.8:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-ne
ed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out

If this doesn't work, then please go through the steps in the
troubleshooting guide (accessible from the "About" link on the main
dialog).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 12:37:50 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 19:38:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which Servers are needed by SpamBayes?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9253D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have just installed the Outlook2000-Plugin 0.7 on a Windows 
> XP  SP1 system that is protected by a software firewall. I 
> would like to use the "Chek for Update"-Function.
> 
> For that I have to change the settings of the firewall, in 
> order to enable Outlook to contact the update information server.
> 
> However, as SpamBayes is trying contact a different server 
> every time, I can't.

SpamBayes should only be connecting to one page:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download/Version.cfg.  How sf manages
connections I don't know, but you should be able to allow connections to
that single address and it should work.

Note that if you tell it to, spambayes will try and authenticate itself
to a proxy.  You can set the options like this:
[globals]
proxy_server: myproxy.example.com:8880
proxy_username: foo
proxy_password: bar

Of course, this means having your password in plain text in your config
file, so you might not like that (although you could set up a user&pass
just for spambayes and allow access to that one page).  Just FYI, in
case it is of use.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 12:39:34 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 19:40:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train Outlook using external SPAM sources?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92540@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Alternatively, maybe there is some way to keep the results of previous
> trainings from known spam, so that I can back that info up 
> and not need to keep the original spam messages around for future
training? 

See FAQ 3.6:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-back-up-the-outlook-data
base-should-i-do-this

Note, however, Tim's comments about this, and both his and Van's comment
about not needing to do this if you get plenty of fresh training data
quickly.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 12:47:25 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 19:48:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It started problem in spambayes.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9254D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> What about adding the fact that dumbdb creates 3 files, while 
> the other, preferable databases create only 1 file.  And this 
> is what it looks like using the "file" command on unix:

Done, thanks.

=Tony Meyer

From dsc at technocraft.com  Mon Aug 18 09:05:35 2003
From: dsc at technocraft.com (Daniel S. Cohen)
Date: Sun Aug 17 20:05:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Recognizing Spam, But not automatically moving
Message-ID: <000801c3651c$74e28dc0$6201a8c0@dan>

Hello,

I have the latest version of SpamBayes Outlook Add-in Installed on Outlook
XP.  It the add-in seems to recognize the Spam, but does not move it
automatically.  It will move them if I tell it to filter manually.  I have
checked the enabled filter option under the manager.

I wonder if this has anything to do with I have outlook filtering my mail
into folders and subfolders.  I have attached my most recent log.  Any help
would be appreciated!

Thank you!

Dan
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 14:46:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 21:47:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9260D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1. There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: MAIL FROM: 
> <emailaddress> and then the SMTP server (localhost) said: 530 
> Authentication required.

This sounds like you haven't checked the "allow authentication" box, or
whatever it is called in v6.  I'm not sure how this would be smtpproxy's
fault.

> 2. There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: QUIT and
then 
> the SMTP server (localhost) said: 502 (mp023) Unimplemented.

>From this and other recent reports about smtpproxy failures, I think
that it's not proxying commands exactly as they were received (which is
what it should do).  I'm not sure how this would be, though, and I don't
get any of these problems.

At some point today, I'll put up a debugging version of smtpproxy.py at
<http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/smtpproxy.py>, which anyone that is
interested can use to (hopefully) try and track this down.

> I'm seing the same thing with Eudora 5.1. The fact both of us 
> are using Norton AntiVirus 2002, and no one else seems to be
> seeing the problem leads me to believe that either it is Norton
> related or that no one else is using Eudora.

AFAIK, smtpproxy isn't widely used.  I suspect that is the culprit,
perhaps in addition to Eudora doing something different than other MUAs.

> I'm in the process of adding some logging to smtpproxy.py in 
> an attempt to figure this one out. If I can come up with an answer
> (or a good guess) I'll post it to the list.

That would be greatly appreciated.

> BTW, doesn't Eudora 6 include bayesien (SP?) filtering?

I've heard it's not as good, though <wink>.

=Tony Meyer

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Mon Aug 18 03:18:43 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 17 22:18:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Proxytee
Message-ID: <1061172998.1583.6.camel@rebirth>

Hi,

When I use proxytee.py to make a message available for training from the
web interface, I end up with one of two scenarios:

1) If I don't specify probability (with -r), the message always appears
on the web interface in the 'unsure' category

2) If I *do* specify probability, gained from a prior run of
hammiefilter.py, the message does not appear on the web interface.

Any ideas/solutions?


-- 
Kind regards
David

--

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From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug 17 22:44:40 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug 17 22:45:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I...
In-Reply-To: <1061118451.3636.1.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061118451.3636.1.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <16192.15768.368960.407109@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> How do I run hammie.py or hammiefilter.py so that the filtered
    David> messages get written to the store, able to be later displayed and
    David> trained on the web interface?

I'm not sure anyone's tried that (or even considered it) before.  The web
interface is currently intimately tied to pop3proxy.

Skip

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Mon Aug 18 03:54:42 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 17 22:54:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestions for SpamBayes
Message-ID: <1061175160.1582.25.camel@rebirth>

Hi,

I hope you'll forgive my current high 'noise level' on this group. But
I'm feeling very enthusiastic about SpamBayes, and see it as the
foundation for a range of powerful anti-spam strategies.

I'm posting here what feels to me to be some simple improvements, but
hopefully not too hard to implement - and which will offer much more
comfort and flexibility to users and hackers.

1) Unbundling

Would it be possible to unbundle the smtpproxy and web ui from
pop3proxy?

As my work on mtaproxy progresses, I'm still finding the web interface
the most convenient means of training, but the pop3proxy and smtpproxy
get in the way, so I've had to bind these to dummy ports.

(In my situation, I'm now running mtaproxy (which looks like an SMTP
server) on my mail server. mtaproxy uses hammiefilter to classify
messages - non-spam messages then get added to the webui via proxytee,
then dispatched to the *real* mta (exim in my case). On this server, I
run a 3rd party pop server to retrieve messages).

I'd love it if there were a way of running the webui by itself.

2) Make hammiefilter capable of updating the webui's message store

It would be great if there were an option in hammiefilter.py that causes
the message to get added to the store, for later training via the web.
That would take away my need for mtaproxy to  run proxytee. Also,
messages appearing on the webui would not all be in the 'unsure'
category - they'd have spambayes' classifications.

-- 
Cheers
David


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 16:06:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 23:07:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestions for SpamBayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9269D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I hope you'll forgive my current high 'noise level' on this 
> group. But I'm feeling very enthusiastic about SpamBayes, and 
> see it as the foundation for a range of powerful anti-spam strategies.

It's more interesting reading than 100 people reporting the same bug
with the Outlook plug-in...

> 1) Unbundling
> 
> Would it be possible to unbundle the smtpproxy and web ui 
> from pop3proxy?
> 
> As my work on mtaproxy progresses, I'm still finding the web 
> interface the most convenient means of training, but the 
> pop3proxy and smtpproxy get in the way, so I've had to bind 
> these to dummy ports.

If you don't set the smtpproxy options, it doesn't do anything.  The
interface is unbundled - I did this a few months back.  Take a look at
UserInterface.py and then at ProxyUI.py and ImapUI.py.  If you want to
build a HammieUI.py, that shouldn't be difficult.

I suspect that you're talking more about the caching of messages than
the web interface, though.  This is a separate kettle of fish.

> I'd love it if there were a way of running the webui by itself.

The code you need is:
"""
    httpServer = UserInterfaceServer(uiPort)
    UI = UserInterface(classifier)
    httpServer.register(UI)
    Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
"""

Along with the various imports, you need to have a classifier to pass to
the UI (a Corpus object, or a subclass), the port to serve on, and
whether a browser should be launched.  The UserInterface.py docstring
explains what this page will offer.

> 2) Make hammiefilter capable of updating the webui's message store
> 
> It would be great if there were an option in hammiefilter.py 
> that causes the message to get added to the store, for later 
> training via the web. That would take away my need for 
> mtaproxy to run proxytee. Also, messages appearing on the 
> webui would not all be in the 'unsure' category - they'd have 
> spambayes' classifications.

Apart from the unsure problem, what's wrong with using proxytee?  (I've
never used it myself, so have no idea).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 16:26:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 17 23:27:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy_service and smtpproxy
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D926B7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I explicitly start pop3proxy.py, it starts smtpproxy as 
> expected.  If I use pop3proxy_service.py, the smtpproxy is 
> not started.  Any ideas why this is happening?

The service starts pop3proxy's main function, but smtpproxy is started
in pop3proxy's run function (which calls main).

What's the best way to fix this?

 o Move the smtpproxy starting code into main().
 o Add smtpproxy starting code into pop3proxy_service.py.
 o Have a separate service for smtpproxy (this is problematic because
they have to share the database).
 o Something else.

I don't really know much about Windows services, so I'm throwing this to
the -dev list.

=Tony Meyer

From Andreas.Jaeger at jungheinrich.de  Mon Aug 18 10:33:30 2003
From: Andreas.Jaeger at jungheinrich.de (Jaeger, Andreas)
Date: Mon Aug 18 03:34:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug Report
Message-ID: <2C9189DB9F1FD511B18200508B9573B505487AF3@nor1s006.jh-group.com>

Hi,

there is an error when starting Outlook after installing SpamBayes. When
starting Outlook a messagebox says:

"There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin
Please re-start Outlook and try again."

 NT40 SP 6a
 Outlook 2002 SP2
 SpamBayes 0.7

Thanx
Andreas J?ger
mailto:andreas.jaeger@jungheinrich.de 


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From richie at entrian.com  Mon Aug 18 09:34:43 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 18 03:34:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestions for SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <1061175160.1582.25.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061175160.1582.25.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <j501kvosvtliv2j5c92vovhk8hophgh0ou@4ax.com>

Hi David,

> Would it be possible to unbundle the smtpproxy and web ui from
> pop3proxy?

This shouldn't be necessary - see below.

> As my work on mtaproxy progresses, I'm still finding the web interface
> the most convenient means of training, but the pop3proxy and smtpproxy
> get in the way, so I've had to bind these to dummy ports.

Why did you have to bind the POP3 proxy to a dummy port?  I can't speak
for the SMTP proxy, but pop3proxy.py should work with no POP3 accounts
configured.

> It would be great if there were an option in hammiefilter.py that causes
> the message to get added to the store, for later training via the web.

proxytee is it - see my other message.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Aug 18 09:34:44 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 18 03:35:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Proxytee
In-Reply-To: <1061172998.1583.6.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061172998.1583.6.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <v901kvgt77e36gsnej4suj1im8o0foha98@4ax.com>

Hi David,

> 1) If I don't specify probability (with -r), the message always appears
> on the web interface in the 'unsure' category
> [...]
> Any ideas/solutions?

Put proxytee *after* hammie in your procmail rules?  And don't specify a
probability if you want all your messages to appear in the list.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Aug 18 09:35:55 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 18 03:36:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I...
In-Reply-To: <16192.15768.368960.407109@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1061118451.3636.1.camel@rebirth>
	<16192.15768.368960.407109@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1d01kvsddg09vje91aj4j6q95pltt3dt10@4ax.com>

[David]
> How do I run hammie.py or hammiefilter.py so that the filtered
> messages get written to the store, able to be later displayed and
> trained on the web interface?

[Skip]
> I'm not sure anyone's tried that (or even considered it) before.

Either you have a short memory or I've seriously misunderstood what your
proxytee.py script is for.  8-)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 18 20:42:18 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 18 03:43:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug Report
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92772@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> there is an error when starting Outlook after installing 
> SpamBayes. When starting Outlook a messagebox says:

This is a known issue that will be resolved in the next version.  You
can track this issue here:

[ 779319 ] ntpath Unicode error.
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=779319&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103>

Essentially, what you need to do is ensure that the configuration file
name doesn't have any 'non US English' characters.  You need to change
the data directory if your Windows profile name contains any of these
characters, and change your Outlook profile name if it does.  The above
tracker has more details.

=Tony Meyer

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Mon Aug 18 09:38:23 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Mon Aug 18 04:38:25 2003
Subject: Thanks you (was: Re: [Spambayes] How do I...)
Message-ID: <1061195778.1857.209.camel@rebirth>

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 19:35, Richie Hindle wrote: 
> [David]
> > How do I run hammie.py or hammiefilter.py so that the filtered
> > messages get written to the store, able to be later displayed and
> > trained on the web interface?
> 
> [Skip]
> > I'm not sure anyone's tried that (or even considered it) before.
> 
> Either you have a short memory or I've seriously misunderstood what your
> proxytee.py script is for.  8-)

OK - please forgive the repetition in my questions.
(I think some of my messages may have arrived out of sync.)

Anyway, mtaproxy is now humming along fine.

(Maybe it needs a more colourful name like 'SpamQueda') :)

And, to boot, it now does optional RBL checks at HELO time, going
straight into spammer punishment mode if the remote MTA is blacklisted.
If RBL check passes, it tests content with hammiefilter, and goes into
punishment mode if hammiefilter rules the content to be spam.

As advised, I'm feeding messages into hammiefilter.py, then passing the
filtered message with X-Spambayes-Classification intact, along to
proxytee (without the probability arg).

Result is that mtaproxy now punishes spammers (as determined by RBL
check, then by content analysis), and makes the messages available for
training in the web interface.

Thanks to all for patiently answering all my n00b questions.

A last question - would anyone be open to the possibility of mtaproxy
being included in the official spambayes distribution (or at least
linked from the SpamBayes website)?

(website again - http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/mtaproxy)

-- 
Cheers
David


From wk at klenner.at  Mon Aug 18 12:38:38 2003
From: wk at klenner.at (Wilhelm Klenner)
Date: Mon Aug 18 05:38:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with training
Message-ID: <AAC9C3E188B89A4DB4C1E9F325EEF035074A01@enterprise.klenner.at>

Hello All,
 
I encountered a problem with training - even thoug I defined a folder with good and one with spam-mails, clicking the train-now button reports 0 good and 0 spam mails trained. Now, some days later the same procedure reports 0 spam and 2 good mails trained. These two mails where two new ones. So I guess that there is a problem with mails imported with the Exchange Migration Wizard. Because all the other mails have been migrated from GroupWise. They "look and feed" normal, there is no problem reading them. Only spambayes seems to be unable to learn from them.
 
Maybe something for the FAQ-List ...
 
Greetings and thanks to everyone doing this geat tool!
 
Wilhelm Klenner
From jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 18 12:33:50 2003
From: jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?=)
Date: Mon Aug 18 06:34:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Java
Message-ID: <20030818103350.28568.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi guys,
 
 Do you have a java implementation on Tokenizer.py?
 
Jack Manlosa


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From richie at entrian.com  Mon Aug 18 14:19:40 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 18 08:19:51 2003
Subject: Thanks you (was: Re: [Spambayes] How do I...)
In-Reply-To: <1061195778.1857.209.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061195778.1857.209.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <7sg1kv8odptq2os3ll8e48it8f39l1np2p@4ax.com>

Hi David,

> OK, please forgive the repetition in my questions.

Sorry, there's a misunderstanding there.  My comment about having a short
memory was directed at Skip - he wrote the proxytee.py script (if I recall
correctly), but now he's saying "I'm not sure anyone's tried that (or even
considered it) before."  8-)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From t.kriener at co.evidian.de  Mon Aug 18 15:42:11 2003
From: t.kriener at co.evidian.de (Thomas Kriener)
Date: Mon Aug 18 08:42:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integrating Spambayes
Message-ID: <3F40C9A3.80501@co.evidian.de>

Hello,

I'm writing a Spamfilter for Lotus Notes R5 (NotesAntiSpam) and want to
integrate bayesian filtering.
I'm not yet very fimiliar with Python and I search the right Interface
to use.
May be someone could hit my nose to a file where are functions which I
should use.

The mails are in a string in C++ and I started working with Boost.Python
to call Python-Code out of my C++-Code.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas Kriener





From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Mon Aug 18 09:51:02 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Mon Aug 18 08:51:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Java
In-Reply-To: <20030818103350.28568.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030818103350.28568.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030818125102.GA29824@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:33:50AM +0100, Jackie Lan Manlosa wrote:

| Do you have a java implementation on Tokenizer.py?

No.

Why do you want one?  Python works very well for the rest of us ;-).
If you are trying to integrate spambayes with a java thing you are
working with then use 'jython' (http://jython.sf.net; a java
implementation of the python language).

-D

-- 
He who spares the rod hates his son,
but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
        Proverbs 13:24
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon Aug 18 23:55:09 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Mon Aug 18 08:55:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Java 
In-Reply-To: <20030818103350.28568.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <200308181255.h7ICt9D2000347@localhost.localdomain>


>>> =?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?= wrote
> Hi guys,
>  
>  Do you have a java implementation on Tokenizer.py?

Not that I'm aware of, unless someone's taken on the thankless
task and not mentioned it for fear of social disapproval or 
something <wink>.

If you do want to call it from Java, you could consider using
Jython, or else dive in and reproduce the code yourself! Note
that the tokeniser is a mass of little tweaks that may not seem
all that important, but a lot of CPU cycles were shed in trying
them out and fiddling til we got the best results we could. 
Partially implementing _some_ of it and not others may void
any warranties we're offering.

But since we're offering none, feel free to take the code and
do with it what you will <wink>.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From Itamar.Rosenn at clinton.com  Mon Aug 18 10:21:02 2003
From: Itamar.Rosenn at clinton.com (Itamar Rosenn)
Date: Mon Aug 18 09:21:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes for server use
Message-ID: <FNEPLLLGDKINFDJAGMMAOECMCBAA.Itamar.Rosenn@clinton.com>

Do you offer any versions of your product for use on filtering at the mail
server level, before mail is distributed to clients?

Thanks,

Itamar Rosenn


From soccerwrek at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 18 10:24:02 2003
From: soccerwrek at bellsouth.net (Scott Burgett)
Date: Mon Aug 18 09:24:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes for server use
In-Reply-To: <FNEPLLLGDKINFDJAGMMAOECMCBAA.Itamar.Rosenn@clinton.com>
Message-ID: <002201c3658b$fe60eb90$27c1e3ce@BURGETSCPCXP>

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html


-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On Behalf Of Itamar Rosenn
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes for server use


Do you offer any versions of your product for use on filtering at the
mail server level, before mail is distributed to clients?

Thanks,

Itamar Rosenn


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 18 11:39:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 18 11:39:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I...
In-Reply-To: <1d01kvsddg09vje91aj4j6q95pltt3dt10@4ax.com>
References: <1061118451.3636.1.camel@rebirth>
	<16192.15768.368960.407109@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1d01kvsddg09vje91aj4j6q95pltt3dt10@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <16192.62232.792583.323656@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Richie> [Skip]
    >> I'm not sure anyone's tried that (or even considered it) before.

    Richie> Either you have a short memory or I've seriously misunderstood
    Richie> what your proxytee.py script is for.  8-)

Senior moment, brain fart, whatever... ;-)

Skip

From bob at 1776.com  Mon Aug 18 12:42:51 2003
From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe)
Date: Mon Aug 18 11:45:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mtaproxy
In-Reply-To: <1061195778.1857.209.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB108@SPIKE.city>

I wouldn't. Several objections have been raised in this forum to this punishment method, and I think most of them are valid. The most obvious is that it punishes the spammer's ISP, and its other users, not just the spammer. Another is that it could start a war in which ISPs might begin blacklisting each other, to everyone's detriment.

We all agree that spam is annoying, which is why we're so interested in Spambayes. But it isn't the crime against humanity that some anti-spam zealots seem to think it is. I don't know Mr McNab, and I won't suggest that he belongs in that category. But the shoot-the-messenger style of punishment incorporated into his program strikes me as childish and out of proportion to the offense. I hope the Spambayes developers won't accept his suggestion.

I don't mean to personalize this issue, and I hope you'll all forgive me if you think I have. But by crossing the line from defense to offense, I think this program goes beyond the legitimate scope of the Spambayes project.

If mtaproxy, or any form of its punishment algorithm, were to be incorporated into Spambayes, I wouldn't let my users take advantage of it, because I think it would reflect badly on the city for which we work.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McNab [mailto:david@rebirthing.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:36 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Thanks you (was: Re: [Spambayes] How do I...)
> 
> ...
> Anyway, mtaproxy is now humming along fine.
> 
> (Maybe it needs a more colourful name like 'SpamQueda') :)
> 
> And, to boot, it now does optional RBL checks at HELO time, going
> straight into spammer punishment mode if the remote MTA is blacklisted.
> If RBL check passes, it tests content with hammiefilter, and goes into
> punishment mode if hammiefilter rules the content to be spam.
> 
> As advised, I'm feeding messages into hammiefilter.py, then passing the
> filtered message with X-Spambayes-Classification intact, along to
> proxytee (without the probability arg).
> 
> Result is that mtaproxy now punishes spammers (as determined by RBL
> check, then by content analysis), and makes the messages available for
> training in the web interface.
> 
> Thanks to all for patiently answering all my n00b questions.
> 
> A last question - would anyone be open to the possibility of mtaproxy
> being included in the official spambayes distribution (or at least
> linked from the SpamBayes website)?


From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Mon Aug 18 18:03:16 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Mon Aug 18 13:03:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mtaproxy
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB108@SPIKE.city>
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB108@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <1061226063.1207.42.camel@rebirth>

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 03:42, Robert K. Coe wrote:
> I wouldn't. Several objections have been raised in this forum to this
> punishment method, and I think most of them are valid.

Robert, your concerns are noted.

> The most obvious is that it punishes the spammer's ISP, and its
> other users, not just the spammer.

And there's the argument that, with spam-to-signal ratios across the
internet now exceeding 1:1 and growing, ISPs have a duty to do
*everything* within their power to combat this menace.

Spammers have proven themselves to be extremely agile and resourceful.
Most of the major league ones now keep up-to-date versions of
SpamAssassin and other pattern-based filters. With every new release of
the non-bayesian filter programs, it only takes them a couple of weeks
to learn how to compose low-scoring messages that get through the
filters.

There is another real danger here - if the spam problem isn't seriously
mitigated, there's the risk that SMTP - RFC831 - as the email transport
standard - will fall so far into disrepute that an opening emerges for a
non-free protocol, and some well-funded monopolist gets a foothold in
the market, just as M$ did with Windows in '95. Worse than windows, such
a new protocol could be patented, and full of nasties like pay-per-use,
monthly subscriptions, content restrictions (eg premiums on sending zip,
tar.gz, media files etc), whitelist-based DRM and other such atrocities.
It only takes the likes of TWAOL or M$ with vats of marketing budget to
sneak such a monster into the marketplace and further extinguish the
freedom which the internet once represented.

> Another is that it could start a war in which ISPs might begin
> blacklisting each other, to everyone's detriment.

I feel you're seriously exaggerating the scope of the 'punishment'
algorithm. All it does is sends back incomplete response lines for a
configurable amount of time, followed by a failure response line. This
is hardly devastating - but it is enough to cause ISPs to take a less
cavalier attitude towards their enforcement practices.

I don't know the ins and outs of all the MTAs, but I suspect a lot of
them multi-thread their queues, so the net effect of the delay would be
nowhere near as catastrophic as some may fear.

Again, some responsibility *must* be taken by the ISP. For instance, if
people leave their cars parked on the street with the windows open and
the keys in the ignition, and the cars keep  getting stolen and used as
getaway vehicles from crimes, then the community is definitely going to
vest some responsibility in the car owners.

> We all agree that spam is annoying, which is why we're so interested
> in Spambayes. But it isn't the crime against humanity that some
> anti-spam zealots seem to think it is. I don't know Mr McNab, and I
> won't suggest that he belongs in that category.

You're right on that count. I'm just an end user who's gotten sick of
the hundreds of spams per week, knowing that part of my ISP and ADSL
subscription fees are paying for people to profit profusely from
purveying penis enlargement pills.

> But the shoot-the-messenger style of punishment incorporated into his
> program strikes me as childish and out of proportion to the offense.

Your 'shoot the messenger' label is something that I find out of
proportion. It's not 'shoot the messenger' - it's more like 'annoy or
delay the messenger'.

> I hope the Spambayes developers won't accept his suggestion.

That's up to the Spambayes community. No effect on me either way. I
write free software and share it with the world in the hope that some
may find it useful, which many do. I've got whole folders of positive
testimonials to that effect.

> I don't mean to personalize this issue, and I hope you'll all forgive
> me if you think I have.

I think you have, and yes, I do forgive you :)

> But by crossing the line from defense to offense, I think this program
> goes beyond the legitimate scope of the Spambayes project.

Can we please get less emotive about the degree of offense?

And how about some clear-minded discussion on what degree of 
countermeasures are acceptable?

Because we know that the passive-aggressive countermeasures (ie, receive
the email and drop it silently) employed by the (default) spambayes,
spamassassin etc aren't working. Spammers keep hitting the mailboxes
over and over, stealing traffic and wasting people's time, taking joy in
circumventing the filters, and enjoying the fast cars and huge houses
they buy with their ill-gotten gains.

> If mtaproxy, or any form of its punishment algorithm, were to be
> incorporated into Spambayes, I wouldn't let my users take advantage of
> it, because I think it would reflect badly on the city for which we
> work.

I respect your decision Robert. I ask that you also respect the
decisions of those who opt for a more pro-active stance.

Lastly - I have noticed in the 24 hours since I deployed mtaproxy on my
server, inbound spams have dropped more than 90%. Some spamming MTAs
have been dropping the connection during the 'punishment cycle', while
others have endured the punishment. In the last 3 hours, I've received
zero inbound SMTP connections bearing spam.

So it appears that my email addresses are getting removed from the
spammers' databases faster than you can say 'nigerian scam'.

And on that note, the defence rests (for now).

Kindly
David

PS - Maybe 'SpamQueda' is a bit too far 'out there' for a name. Perhaps
something like 'The Spamish Inquisition' would be better, to inject a
bit of Pythonic humour.

PPS - I haven't ruled out bundling SpamBayes and an MTA, with mtaproxy,
into an integrated turnkey product.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 11:51:18 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 18 18:52:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integrating Spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D928CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm writing a Spamfilter for Lotus Notes R5 (NotesAntiSpam) 
> and want to integrate bayesian filtering. I'm not yet very 
> fimiliar with Python and I search the right Interface to use. 
> May be someone could hit my nose to a file where are 
> functions which I should use.

Do you have any great desire to write your own filter?  If not, a better
solution could be to grab a copy of the spambayes source and play around
with notesfilter.py.  This is spambayes for Lotus Notes (courtesy of Tim
Stone).

In Tim's own opinion, it's pretty rough - he uses it himself, but not
many others do - and could use some improvement (particularly in meshing
better with the other spambayes apps; using message.py and the like).
If you made any improvements, we'd be happy to check them in.

In any case, if you do feel the need to write your own filter,
notesfilter.py is probably a reasonable headstart.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 11:59:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 18 19:00:16 2003
Subject: Thanks you (was: Re: [Spambayes] How do I...)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D928DF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> A last question - would anyone be open to the possibility of 
> mtaproxy being included in the official spambayes 
> distribution (or at least linked from the SpamBayes website)?
> 
> (website again - http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/mtaproxy)

I don't see any reason why it can't be linked from the website.  There's
a fairly clear "we don't necessarily endorse this" message there.  I'll
try and get to this at some point today.

One important point regarding including it, apart from philosophical
issues - you would have to state that you are transferring all copyright
of mtaproxy to the PSF.  At the moment, that's the only way anything
gets included.

=Tony Meyer

From npochez at wanadoo.fr  Tue Aug 19 02:01:00 2003
From: npochez at wanadoo.fr (Nicolas Pochez)
Date: Mon Aug 18 19:02:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem installing SpamBayes v0.7
Message-ID: <BAEAJFIKMANCIMPFBOHOIEMPCEAA.npochez@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

I had the occasion to install your plugin software at work and the procedure
went almost Ok there:
> Windows XP - just one login on the machine which is also administrator of
the workstation
> Outlook - 2002 I believe
> Norton AntiVirus - the only problem I encontered took place when some dll
failed to register, which disappeared when I disabled anti-virus checking at
reception and send in Norton.

Yet on my computer at home, I can not manage to get the installation
complete all the way to get the tool bar correctly in Outlook the way I had
it at work:
> Windows 2000 - at least two loggins, one administrator for the work
station and one regular user when I usually use it
> Outlook 2000
> Norton AntiVirus

I tried to install the plugin both as a regular user or as an administrator,
and it runs Ok until it gets to the registration of the dll where it gives
me the following message:

"Error Message

C:\Program Files\Specific\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000.
 Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or
Abort to Cancel installation"

I tried to disconnect Norton Antivirus, unchecking even more features than
at work: it did not work out. I tried to ignore the error message: didn't
work either. I tried to install it as an administrator (also got the error
message) then as a regular user: didn't work either.

After reading through you FAQ and trouble shooting guidelines, I tried to
take a look at the log file: it is there in the the temp directory, the time
matches the various attempts but they are all empty.

I therefore wonder what I could do? (if you can give me some hints to work
it out, I will write you the corresponding installation procedure in
return).

Any way, thank you very much for that work ! I am anxious to get it running
and tested here.


Nicolas
Paris, France



From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Mon Aug 18 20:39:01 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Mon Aug 18 19:39:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
In-Reply-To: <92F5FFB803A5864C9A3E148BCDE1CE36F07FFA@email1.centerpoint-prop.com>
Message-ID: <20030818233911.2D80013E243@sack.dreamhost.com>

Please go through the troubleshooting guide and post a log to list.
--Adam

> 
> Thanks for the response.
> It's Outlook 2002 SP-2 running on XP SP1.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:16 PM
> To: Zimmerman, Scott; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Problem
> 
> 
> What version of outlook are you using? If it is the 2003 beta, make sure
> you have installed the latest Technical Refresh for Outlook.
> 
> --Adam
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> > On Behalf Of Zimmerman, Scott
> > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:51 PM
> > To: spambayes@python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm very interested in trying SpamBayes for our company so I'm trying
> > to install the Outlook Addin. I've read through the trouble shooting
> > guide, however, none of the documented suggestions seem to help.
> > The "SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe", seems to run fine, but I have
> no
> > menu in outlook.  I've checked the log, "customized" and "reset" my
> > toolbar, deleted the file "outcmd.dat".  I even tried the old Windows
> > standby of rebooting (at different stages).  Still it doesn't appear.'
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott Zimmerman
> > Chief Information Officer
> > CenterPoint Properties Trust
> > _______________________________________________



From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Tue Aug 19 00:47:06 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Mon Aug 18 19:47:07 2003
Subject: Thanks you (was: Re: [Spambayes] How do I...)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D928DF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D928DF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1061250298.1199.7.camel@rebirth>

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 10:59, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> One important point regarding including it, apart from philosophical
> issues - you would have to state that you are transferring all copyright
> of mtaproxy to the PSF.  At the moment, that's the only way anything
> gets included.

I note that you've already linked it from the spambayes website - thanks
for that :)

As regards license - I'm accustomed to GPL-style licenses, whereby
people have total freedom to download/use/modify/redistribute. I'm not
sure I'd be willing to gift away copyright ownership, because it could
prevent me from having the same freedoms myself, and stop me from
building my work into an (open source) commercial product at a later
time.

Can you please clarify?

Cheers
David

> =Tony Meyer
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
-- 
Cheers
David


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 21:27:48 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Aug 18 20:28:25 2003
Subject: Thanks you (was: Re: [Spambayes] How do I...)
In-Reply-To: <1061250298.1199.7.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCELJFDAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[David McNab]
> ...
> As regards license - I'm accustomed to GPL-style licenses, whereby
> people have total freedom to download/use/modify/redistribute.

Then perhaps you'd like the PSF license better:  unlike the GPL, the PSF
license doesn't dictate anything about the licensing terms derived works are
allowed to use.  It's closer to the LGPL than the GPL in that way.  It's
closest to the BSD and MIT licenses, but has more words than those because
too many lawyers were involved in drafting it <wink/sigh>.

> I'm not sure I'd be willing to gift away copyright ownership, because
> it could prevent me from having the same freedoms myself, and stop me
> from building my work into an (open source) commercial product at a
> later time.

It wouldn't stop you from building on it later, not even if you wanted to
use it in a closed-source commercial product.  For example, there's at least
one closed-source product that builds on the spambayes code.  That's fine
under the PSF license -- they don't even have to ask for permission.  If you
want to force those folks to make their product open-source too, then the
PSF license isn't for you.

> Can you please clarify?

Dealing with lawyers is an expensive PITA, and one easy way to avoid legal
hassles is to stick to a single copyright holder and a single license.
That's what we're doing here now.  The PSF is currently paying a lawyer to
review forms allowing "shared ownership" of copyright, so that someone so
inclined can contribute code to the PSF without giving up their copyright
entirely.  God only knows how long that will take to complete.  Until then,
I'm afraid almost no code is worth the hassle of dealing with multiple
copyrights.

You might find the PSF's Mission Statement comforting <wink>:

    http://www.python.org/psf/mission.html

Note that because the PSF is a public charity under US tax law, it's
constrained to act in the public interest, and its assets can't be
transferred except to another public charity or government agency.  So, for
example, there's no possiblity that a PSF copyright will end up being owned
by, say, Microsoft someday -- unless, of course, Microsoft becomes the
government <0.9 wink>.


From cglow at optonline.net  Mon Aug 18 22:54:18 2003
From: cglow at optonline.net (Charline Glowitz)
Date: Mon Aug 18 21:54:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam follow-up
Message-ID: <000801c365f4$d0af7090$6501a8c0@glow9kj8x6uq6j>

 
It would be helpful to know what to do with the spam email after you
have "trained" your computer.  Do you delete them, keep them in the spam
file, etc.
 
Your prompt response is appreciated!
 
Thank you for this, so far, great software!
 
Sincerely,
 
Charline
cglow@fan.net 




















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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 14:57:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 18 21:58:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam follow-up
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92A4C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> It would be helpful to know what to do with the spam email 
> after you have "trained" your computer.  Do you delete them, 
> keep them in the spam file, etc.

You're after FAQ 4.6:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#do-i-need-to-keep-spam-after-
it-has-been-trained-if-so-for-how-long>

The answer, basically, is "it's up to you".

If you're using the Outlook plugin, FAQ 3.6 might also be of interest:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-back-up-the-outlook-dat
abase-should-i-do-this>

> Thank you for this, so far, great software!

You're welcome.

=Tony Meyer

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Tue Aug 19 03:01:48 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Mon Aug 18 22:01:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam follow-up
In-Reply-To: <000801c365f4$d0af7090$6501a8c0@glow9kj8x6uq6j>
References: <000801c365f4$d0af7090$6501a8c0@glow9kj8x6uq6j>
Message-ID: <1061258357.1199.30.camel@rebirth>

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 13:54, Charline Glowitz wrote:
>  It would be helpful to know what to do with the spam email after you
> have "trained" your computer.  Do you delete them, keep them in the spam
> file, etc.

One 'holy grail' to hunt for is an algorithm which can:
* parse the Received: headers with enough intelligence to avoid
   spoofed addresses
* determine one or more real IPs of hosts generating or trafficking
   in spam
* perform whois lookups and parse the output
* possibly perform some light port scanning sufficient to gain
   identifying info about the offending box(en)
* determine appropriate addresses for auto-transmitting complaint 
    messages - eg 'abuse@...' and/or 'postmaster@...' etc
* sending off the complaints, containing headers and email, plus
   GMT date/time of incident

Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth

Cheers
David


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 18 23:21:41 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 18 23:22:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam follow-up
In-Reply-To: <1061258357.1199.30.camel@rebirth>
References: <000801c365f4$d0af7090$6501a8c0@glow9kj8x6uq6j>
	<1061258357.1199.30.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <16193.38853.398798.626169@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> One 'holy grail' to hunt for is an algorithm which can:
    ... [ tasks elided ] ...

Isn't that what SpamCop does, more or less?

Skip

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Tue Aug 19 05:02:00 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Tue Aug 19 00:02:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam follow-up
In-Reply-To: <16193.38853.398798.626169@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <000801c365f4$d0af7090$6501a8c0@glow9kj8x6uq6j>
	<1061258357.1199.30.camel@rebirth>
	<16193.38853.398798.626169@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1061264978.1201.0.camel@rebirth>

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 15:21, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     David> One 'holy grail' to hunt for is an algorithm which can:
>     ... [ tasks elided ] ...
> 
> Isn't that what SpamCop does, more or less?

IIRC, SpamCop is not free.

-- 
Cheers
David


From richardjones at optushome.com.au  Tue Aug 19 16:58:26 2003
From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue Aug 19 02:02:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installation (or not)
Message-ID: <200308191558.32569.richardjones@optushome.com.au>

I was intrigued by the recent article about spam tools at 
http://home.dataparty.no/kristian/reviews/bayesian and Anthony's occasional 
prodding so I finally went to install spambayes locally. Oh, and I get a fair 
bit of spam ;)

It's not installed. I gave up trying to figure out how to install it after 
about five minutes of poking through the README.txt and INTEGRATION.txt 
files.

In my opinion, the current README should be replaced by something that:

1. hand-holds the user through the process of installing the software,
2. has zero technical discussions about how the software works, or how
   it's constructed.

I wouldn't say that the Roundup installation documents are perfect (see them 
online at http://roundup.sf.net/doc-0.6/installation.html), but they've been 
tweaked over a long period of time, and I understand that the software is now 
fairly painless to install. They're broken down into several sections:

Overview
  A short para or two describing what it is that the user is about to
  install. In Roundup, this is longer than I'd hope :(

Prerequisites
  Python version, any additional libraries.

Getting the software
  Just in case they got the readme from somewhere else.

For the Really Impatient
  If there's a really quick way to get the software up and running to play
  with it, then tell them how to.

Installation
  Step-by-step, with all the various options available clearly given. Give
  an indication how long it'll take to install.

Other sections
  Like platform-specific notes, upgrading existing installations, ...


I hope this helps. I look forward to installing spambayes some day :)


     Richard
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 19:17:20 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 19 02:18:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installation (or not)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92BFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> In my opinion, the current README should be replaced by 
> something that:
[...]

Every time someone volunteers to help in a non-programming way, I
suggest that they could patch the readme into one for users and one
(like the current one) for developers/testers.  I still haven't seen any
patches.

If *you* would like to contribute this documentation, that would be
great.  All you need to do is create a patch against the version in
current cvs and submit it via the sf system and I (or someone else) will
get to it reasonably quickly.

> I hope this helps.

It's a nice precis, but the problem isn't so much that no-one knows what
a (user's) readme should look like, but that no-one has had the itch to
write one (yet).  The existing readme is reasonably good, of course, for
those that it was intended for (developers and testers).

> I look forward to installing spambayes some day :)

To be fair, it's really not that difficult, and the INTEGRATION.TXT
covers installation quite well.  The website docs answer most other
questions.

It's probably also worth remembering that spambayes is still in alpha.

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue Aug 19 17:22:46 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Aug 19 02:23:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installation (or not) 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92BFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308190622.h7J6MkF0016023@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Meyer, Tony" wrote
> It's a nice precis, but the problem isn't so much that no-one knows what
> a (user's) readme should look like, but that no-one has had the itch to
> write one (yet).  The existing readme is reasonably good, of course, for
> those that it was intended for (developers and testers).

I suggest the following approach. Move the current README aside and create
a new one. It can just have the section headings in there initially, then 
people can write sections as they go. The current approach of hoping for 
someone to come along and rewrite it all isn't working.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 19:30:24 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 19 02:31:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter.py -- 500 server error -- unexpected
	stringor buffer
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C01@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I click on "configure folders to filter" in the web interface to 
> imapfilter.py, I receive the following error.  I'm using the current 
> spambayes CVS.  What am I doing wrong?

The better question is "what is the code doing wrong?" <wink>.

Would you expect the list to only present one folder?  imaplib is meant
to return a list of strings (folder names), and then imapfilter iterates
through the list.  Presumably it is either returning None or a single
string, either of which would cause this error.

If you're willing to, you could insert the line:
            print fol, type(fol)
After the "for fol in all_folders:" line (247).  This will still crash,
but should print out useful information to the console, which should let
me figure out how to fix this.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 20:38:36 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 19 03:39:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Readme
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I suggest the following approach. Move the current README 
> aside and create a new one. It can just have the section 
> headings in there initially, then people can write sections
> as they go. The current approach of hoping for 
> someone to come along and rewrite it all isn't working.

That's probably right.  However, I couldn't be bothered creating
appropriate headings, so I've created a new version.

It's here at the moment:
<http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/readme.txt>

Comments?  Or should I just check this in?  I'll create a
"readme-devel.txt" file that has all the testing (etc) info that the old
readme had.

BTW, because there are so many different ways to use & train spambayes,
it is quite difficult to write an introduction that suits everyone.  I'm
not sure this does this yet, but it's a step along the way.  It is very
similar to INTEGRATION.TXT (which probably could be retired if we use
this alternative readme).

Richard: is this more what you were after?  Apart from having things
moved around, it is *very* similar to INTEGRATION.TXT, which apparently
wasn't good enough.  Can you suggest improvements?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 19 20:48:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 19 03:49:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imap filter problems
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am getting the follow traceback when trying to train on 
> some imap folders with imapfilter.py.  I can configure, and 
> choose folders fine through the browser config so it can 
> connect to the server.
[...]
>   File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 908, in _checkquote
>     if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
> IndexError: string index out of range

I have very occasionally seen this too, but whenever I've tried to
reproduce it (to fix it) I haven't been able to.  Do you get this
consistently?  If you do, could you run imapfilter with the "-i4" switch
and tell me/the list what you get?

> Also have another question, I going travelling so I am moving 
> from a 100% Outlook based mail setup to a qmail/courier 
> imap/squirrel mail setup.  I have shell access to the account 
> that the mail is getting delivered too. 
> Is IMAP filter for training and hammiefilter/procmail (or 
> whatever it is for qmail) for filtering a decent combo?  Or 
> is there a better way to go about training and filtering?  
> Anyone with a similar setup have any ideas?

I'm not sure if anyone has answered this yet, so I will, although I must
point out that I have never used a setup anything like this :).  You
might want to look at the proxytee.py script, which lets you use the web
interface to train messages, even if you aren't using pop3proxy.  From
what I've heard it's pretty simple to integrate into a
hammiefilter/procmail setup.

Alternatively, you could use the debug version of the SMTP proxy that I
have here: <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/smtpproxy.py> (this will be
checked in a some point).  This lets you train by forwarding messages to
the proxy (messages to configurable train-as-ham and train-as-spam
addresses are intercepted, everything else is proxied on).  Note that
the version of smtpproxy in cvs only works with messages that are in the
web interface (pop3proxy) cache, but this one will (optionally) just
train on whatever you feed it.

Or the imap filter setup you described should work.  It all depends on
your personal taste, really.

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue Aug 19 18:48:26 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Aug 19 04:24:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes Readme 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308190748.h7J7mQqY017297@localhost.localdomain>


  You need to have Python 2.2 or later (2.3 is recommended).  You can
  download Python from <http://www.python.org/download/>.
+ Many distributions of unix now ship with Python - try typing 'python'
+ at a shell prompt.

As far as the many different ways to install SB, perhaps we should pick
one or two as the "suggested way" to do it? Then have a bunch of files 
for the other sorts of ways, and reference them from the main README.

Anthony


-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From jake.angulo at bigfoot.com  Tue Aug 19 18:40:47 2003
From: jake.angulo at bigfoot.com (Jake)
Date: Tue Aug 19 05:41:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
Message-ID: <000f01c36635$fa3a7220$aa0c300a@LEARN.local>

Hello there,

How can i display the actual ham/spam scoring for words/tokens
ble)?    --- the ones that get written into the hammie.db for
classification.

Am interested on how the algorithm works exactly.

Thanks!


---jake


From job at webde-ag.de  Tue Aug 19 12:57:31 2003
From: job at webde-ag.de (Joerg Beyer)
Date: Tue Aug 19 05:58:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c36635$fa3a7220$aa0c300a@LEARN.local>
References: <000f01c36635$fa3a7220$aa0c300a@LEARN.local>
Message-ID: <3F41F48B.4080901@webde-ag.de>

Jake wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> How can i display the actual ham/spam scoring for words/tokens
> ble)?    --- the ones that get written into the hammie.db for
> classification.

for the dbm version of the stored you can do this:
open the dbm file, iterate over the keys (which is the token)
for each key extract a python object, which is a pickled
object (for most cases a 2-tuple (ham and spam count
for the key, sometimes a 3-tuple, but I dont know yet why)

So you can extract the ham/spam count for each token (roughly
a token is a word from a mail plus special words, like how
many entries have been in the to: and cc: filed of the header).

> Am interested on how the algorithm works exactly.

read the source, it is very annotated whith comments that
say, why something is done.

	hope this helps
	Joerg


From amany at weber.ucsd.edu  Tue Aug 19 08:05:09 2003
From: amany at weber.ucsd.edu (Adam Many)
Date: Tue Aug 19 07:07:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter.py -- 500 server error -- unexpected
	stringor buffer
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C01@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C01@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308190705.09770.amany@weber.ucsd.edu>

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 02:30 am, you wrote:
> Would you expect the list to only present one folder?  imaplib is meant
> to return a list of strings (folder names), and then imapfilter iterates
> through the list.  Presumably it is either returning None or a single
> string, either of which would cause this error.
> 
> If you're willing to, you could insert the line:
>             print fol, type(fol)
> After the "for fol in all_folders:" line (247).  This will still crash,
> but should print out useful information to the console, which should let
> me figure out how to fix this.

Thanks for the help!  The problem was that I had folders containing the "\" 
character -- in my UNIX shell account -- which either imaplib or imapfilter 
got hung up on.  In the console folder list, the following was displayed:

('(\\NoSelect) "/" {15}', '\\var\\messages\\tron') <type 'tuple'>

Once I deleted \var\messages\tron, the complete folder list was displayed with 
no errors (in the web interface), although the first letters of all the items 
were omitted (e.g., "news" became "ews").

Once again, thank you for your help.

Adam


From jake.angulo at bigfoot.com  Tue Aug 19 20:14:53 2003
From: jake.angulo at bigfoot.com (Jake)
Date: Tue Aug 19 07:14:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
Message-ID: <000501c36643$1f311c20$aa0c300a@LEARN.local>

Hello Joerg,

Thanks for your initial tip, however, i am not very python-literate, and i
don't have a way of opening the hammie.db format.  (i did try to read the
code-comments and are very understandable, but i can't imagine the final
output of after the classifier calssifies/trains on the tokenizer output).

What i meant exactly is, how could is extract this kind of table information
(or something similar):

word                                    spamprob             #ham
#spam
'*H*'
                     0                           -              -
'*S*'
                     1                           -              -
'jon-'                                  0.0313807              38          1
'from:addr:jonathan'                0.06584             3              0
'noheader:mime-version'             0.267816         3682       1332
'there'                                 0.357648                 1865
1027
'web'                                   0.359379             1678        931
'noheader:reply-to'                 0.398404             8311       5444
'reply-to:none'                     0.398404             8311       5444
'your'                                  0.607781             3493       5354
'now'                                   0.609287             1198       1848
'header:Date:1'                     0.614892             5565       8789
'header:From:1'                     0.616075             5536       8787
'live'                                  0.617098                  227
362
'subject:Jon'                       0.628519              123            206
"you've"                            0.635875              294            508
'potential'                             0.637791              171        298
'header:Received:6'                 0.639839          738       1297
'url:com'                               0.643368             3651       6515
'must'                                  0.651722              330        611



I just got the above table from another spambayes discussion somewhere else.
The way i understand it, the hammie.db stores this type of information?  Am
not so sure about this.  All i know is that, spambayes works :)

Thanks!

---jake


-----Original Message-----
From: Joerg Beyer [mailto:job@webde-ag.de]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:58 PM
To: Jake
Cc: SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?

Jake wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> How can i display the actual ham/spam scoring for words/tokens
> ble)? --- the ones that get written into the hammie.db for
> classification.
for the dbm version of the stored you can do this:
open the dbm file, iterate over the keys (which is the token)
for each key extract a python object, which is a pickled
object (for most cases a 2-tuple (ham and spam count
for the key, sometimes a 3-tuple, but I dont know yet why)
So you can extract the ham/spam count for each token (roughly
a token is a word from a mail plus special words, like how
many entries have been in the to: and cc: filed of the header).
> Am interested on how the algorithm works exactly.
read the source, it is very annotated whith comments that
say, why something is done.
hope this helps
Joerg


From beckman at purplecow.com  Tue Aug 19 11:41:22 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Tue Aug 19 10:42:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installation (or not)
In-Reply-To: <200308191558.32569.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
References: <200308191558.32569.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030819103427.T47245@thermonuclear.org>

Here's my version:


1. Create SpamBayes database.

   Create your SpamBayes database:

        hammiefilter.py -n

   This creates a nice new database.

2. Train SpamBayes.

   Create an mbox-style ("From " delimited) file containing 500-1000 "ham"
   (or not spam) emails.  Create another containing 500-1000 known spam
   emails.  Then run this command:

        hammie.py -d -g tmp2/beckman2 -s tmp2/myspam

   It will create a hammie.db file (hopefully).  This is the data SpamBayes
   uses to filter your mail.

   If you see 3 files created (.dat, .dir, .bak files), you are using
   DumbDB.  That's bad.  Install py-bsddb3 (or something similar, see FAQ
   for details), then recreate and retrain your database.

3. Create .spambayesrc file

   Here's my default:
        #
        [hammiefilter]
        persistent_use_database = True
        persistent_storage_file = /home/beckman/.hammiedb

4. Stick in .procmailrc.  (assumes you know how to install and set up procmail)

   Here's my config.  It puts spam in the spamb folder, and unsure into the
   unsure folder.  Does nothing with ham.

    :0 fw:hamlock
    | /usr/local/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb

    :0
    * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
    spamb

    :0
    * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure
    unsure

5. Watch spam go away.

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 19 10:42:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 19 10:43:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam follow-up
In-Reply-To: <1061264978.1201.0.camel@rebirth>
References: <000801c365f4$d0af7090$6501a8c0@glow9kj8x6uq6j>
	<1061258357.1199.30.camel@rebirth>
	<16193.38853.398798.626169@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1061264978.1201.0.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <16194.14159.671904.64180@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 15:21, Skip Montanaro wrote:
    David> One 'holy grail' to hunt for is an algorithm which can:
    >> ... [ tasks elided ] ...
    >> 
    >> Isn't that what SpamCop does, more or less?

    David> IIRC, SpamCop is not free.

The part of the service which matched the OP's requirements used to be.
Perhaps it isn't any longer.  It's been a long time since I used it.

Skip


From beckman at purplecow.com  Tue Aug 19 11:42:41 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Tue Aug 19 10:44:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installation (or not)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92BFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92BFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030819104149.I47245@thermonuclear.org>

I must admit, I had a bit of a hard time getting spambayes working too.  I
think that the 5 steps I used to get it working would have helped me
immensely.  If I get a minute today, I'll get the current readme, add what
I sent, and send you the patch.

Beckman

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> > In my opinion, the current README should be replaced by
> > something that:
> [...]
>
> Every time someone volunteers to help in a non-programming way, I
> suggest that they could patch the readme into one for users and one
> (like the current one) for developers/testers.  I still haven't seen any
> patches.
>
> If *you* would like to contribute this documentation, that would be
> great.  All you need to do is create a patch against the version in
> current cvs and submit it via the sf system and I (or someone else) will
> get to it reasonably quickly.
>
> > I hope this helps.
>
> It's a nice precis, but the problem isn't so much that no-one knows what
> a (user's) readme should look like, but that no-one has had the itch to
> write one (yet).  The existing readme is reasonably good, of course, for
> those that it was intended for (developers and testers).
>
> > I look forward to installing spambayes some day :)
>
> To be fair, it's really not that difficult, and the INTEGRATION.TXT
> covers installation quite well.  The website docs answer most other
> questions.
>
> It's probably also worth remembering that spambayes is still in alpha.
>
> =Tony Meyer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 19 11:01:33 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 19 11:01:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installation (or not)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92BFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92BFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16194.15309.398865.641046@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> It's a nice precis, but the problem isn't so much that no-one
    Tony> knows what a (user's) readme should look like, but that no-one has
    Tony> had the itch to write one (yet).  The existing readme is
    Tony> reasonably good, of course, for those that it was intended for
    Tony> (developers and testers).

I think any of us who hack on SpamBayes could probably write an elementary
README file if we knew what the target installation was.  Mark Hammond has
done an admirable job addressing the unwashed masses who use Outlook on
Windows, but the rest of the population uses a mish-mash of tools to fetch
and read mail, making it difficult to write an easy-to-understand README
file that works for everyone.

    >> I look forward to installing spambayes some day :)

Richard, what's your mail environment look like?  How does mail get from
your mail server to your mail reader?

Skip

From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Tue Aug 19 13:01:46 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Tue Aug 19 12:02:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes is a Virus Scanner and a Virus Scanner
	Scanner!
Message-ID: <20030819160146.GA25906@dman13.dyndns.org>

Did you expect that Spambayes is also a Virus Scanner and a Virus
Scanner Scanner?

Within the last several minutes, I received several copies of some
Windows email worm[1].  I also received even more notices from badly
misconfigured virus scanners some people on certain mailing lists
operate.

I told spambayes the messages were spam, and following that the next
"wave" of alerts hit the spam box instead.  Neither McAfee nor Norton
can compete with spambayes' speed in discovering new viruses :-).

This is much better than trying to devise a proper (regex) pattern for
the MTA/LDA to block or drop the virus notices (which are actually
much more annoying that the worm itself).

-D


[1] Who knows which one and who cares?  They all look alike and are
    equally ineffective on well designed and written platforms.  :-D

-- 
Yes, Java is so bulletproofed that to a C programmer it feels like being in a
straightjacket, but it's a really comfy and warm straightjacket, and the world
would be a safer place if everyone was straightjacketed most of the time.
                                                      -- Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
 
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From KHart at BasicBS.Com  Tue Aug 19 10:18:31 2003
From: KHart at BasicBS.Com (Kenneth Hart)
Date: Tue Aug 19 12:19:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for the time you save me.
Message-ID: <ABA0B91FD0E8D640A07C831F1A68B0140BFBB0@server.BASICBS.COM>

Having used SpamBayes for some time, I feel good that it has been
sufficiently "trained".  Between Friday 8/15 @ 5:00pm and Monday 8/18 @
8:30am I received 442 e-mail's.  Of these, I only looked at 6.
SpamBayes saves me hours each week.  Time that would have previously
been spent sorting through spam.  Thank you.

I have two requests;

1. Under Define Filters, give me the ability to delete Certain Spam.

2. Give me the ability to merge another SpamBayes db into my db.  Myself
& another user in our office use & appreciate SpamBayes.  A third user
would like to use the program.  I don't want the new user to go through
the month or so of training.  I want to install SpamBayes on the third
users computer & then merge my db into that new users db.


Great product.  I recommend it frequently.
Kenneth Hart
Basic Business Systems, Inc.
Network Consultant
425-255-0199



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From t.kriener at co.evidian.de  Tue Aug 19 18:40:17 2003
From: t.kriener at co.evidian.de (Thomas Kriener)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:08:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integrating Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D928CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D928CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3F4244E1.1090905@co.evidian.de>

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>>I'm writing a Spamfilter for Lotus Notes R5 (NotesAntiSpam) 
>>and want to integrate bayesian filtering. I'm not yet very 
>>fimiliar with Python and I search the right Interface to use. 
>>May be someone could hit my nose to a file where are 
>>functions which I should use.
> 
> 
> Do you have any great desire to write your own filter?  If not, a better
> solution could be to grab a copy of the spambayes source and play around
> with notesfilter.py.  This is spambayes for Lotus Notes (courtesy of Tim
> Stone).
> 
> In Tim's own opinion, it's pretty rough - he uses it himself, but not
> many others do - and could use some improvement (particularly in meshing
> better with the other spambayes apps; using message.py and the like).
> If you made any improvements, we'd be happy to check them in.
> 
> In any case, if you do feel the need to write your own filter,
> notesfilter.py is probably a reasonable headstart.
> 
> =Tony Meyer
Thanks for the hint, why isn't it mentioned on the webpage ?

As I wrote I did not use Python up to now. So I will try to keep my own
phyton-code as small as possible, but I think I can reuse some parts and
ideas.

My goal is to have a tool for the normal end-user with a setup (like the
outlook-plugin).
I think it's a little bit tricky to train and filter via command-line
for normal end-users and my python knowledge is far far away from being
able to code GUI-Parts.

Thanks,
Thomas Kriener



From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:18:22 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:18:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-ID: <200308191718.NAD03220@rly-zd05.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:17:24 -0400 (EDT)
from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<rpm555@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-zd02.mail.aol.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED - Unrepairable Virus Detected. Your mail has not been sent.
554 <rpm555@aol.com>... Service unavailable
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From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:34:00 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:34:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-ID: <200308191734.NAD22955@rly-xg02.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:33:24 -0400 (EDT)
from fw-33.40.chattanoogastate.edu [198.146.33.40]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<pennyc26@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-xg01.mail.aol.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED - Unrepairable Virus Detected. Your mail has not been sent.
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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 19 13:35:26 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:57:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for the time you save me.
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB10D@SPIKE.city>

As I recall, one of the Spambayesians mentioned a few weeks ago that you can, in fact, copy an Outlook user's Spambayes configuration, including the db, to another user and it should work. The assertion included some squishy wording to the effect that some files might have to be recreated, so I  haven't had the guts to try it yet. I'd like it if somebody could publish a clear description of just what you have to do.

That said, it's not difficult (in the Outlook version) to at least incorporate a standard set of training messages. I maintain a corpus of 1500 recent spam messages that we use to kickstart new users. All the installer has to do is open a special .pst file with the sample messages in it, copy the messages to the new user's spam folder, and start the training. Seems to work well.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Hart [mailto:KHart@BasicBS.Com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for the time you save me.
> 
> 
> Having used SpamBayes for some time, I feel good that it has been
> sufficiently "trained".  Between Friday 8/15 @ 5:00pm and Monday 8/18
> @ 8:30am I received 442 e-mail's.  Of these, I only looked at 6.
> SpamBayes saves me hours each week.  Time that would have previously
> been spent sorting through spam.  Thank you.
> 
> I have two requests;
> 
> 1. Under Define Filters, give me the ability to delete Certain Spam.
> 
> 2. Give me the ability to merge another SpamBayes db into my db.
> Myself & another user in our office use & appreciate SpamBayes.  A
> third user would like to use the program.  I don't want the new user
> to go through the month or so of training.  I want to install
> SpamBayes on the third users computer & then merge my db into that
> new users db.

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 19 13:22:56 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:57:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes is a Virus Scanner and a Virus
	ScannerScanner!
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FA33@SPIKE.city>

Do any of the commercial virus scanners incorporate Bayesian filtering?

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [mailto:dman@dman13.dyndns.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes is a Virus Scanner and a Virus
> ScannerScanner!
> 
> 
> Did you expect that Spambayes is also a Virus Scanner and a Virus
> Scanner Scanner?
> 
> Within the last several minutes, I received several copies of some
> Windows email worm ...
> 
> I told spambayes the messages were spam, and following that the next
> "wave" of alerts hit the spam box instead.  Neither McAfee nor Norton
> can compete with spambayes' speed in discovering new viruses :-).
> 
> This is much better than trying to devise a proper (regex) pattern for
> the MTA/LDA to block or drop the virus notices (which are actually
> much more annoying that the worm itself).

From lmcaulif at scsiweb.com  Tue Aug 19 14:58:13 2003
From: lmcaulif at scsiweb.com (Lawrence J. McAuliffe)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:58:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lots of "returned mail bouncing around"
Message-ID: <008c01c3667b$7648d100$89fa4720@scsi0627>

Hello,

I've gotten numerous copies of the following "returned mail
notification" today; a fair amount of it seemingly addressed TO:
spambayes@python.org and FROM:
"spambayes-bounces+lmcaulif=scsiweb.com@python.org; on behalf of;
Mail Delivery Subsystem [MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com]"

I have to assume it's someone, somewhere, that's got a virus but
I've no idea what - if anything - I can do to help break the
cycle.  Do you guys have any ideas?  I don't think I'm directly
involved since Symantec has caught anything, either during its
normal email scan OR on a full virus scan.  Suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.  Here's the text of the message - without
the attachment(s):

  The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003
13:33:24 -0400 (EDT)
  from fw-33.40.chattanoogastate.edu [198.146.33.40]

  *** ATTENTION ***
  Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a
problem with its
  delivery. The address which was undeliverable is listed in the
section
  labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal
errors -----".

  The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the
section
  labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

  The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason
your e-mail could
  not be delivered. The next line contains a second error message
which is a
  general translation for other e-mail servers.

  Please direct further questions regarding this message to your
e-mail
  administrator.

  --AOL Postmaster


  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
  <pennyc26@aol.com>
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  ... while talking to air-xg01.mail.aol.com.:
  >>> DATA
  <<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED - Unrepairable Virus Detected. Your
mail has not been sent.
  554 <pennyc26@aol.com>... Service unavailable




Thanks,

Lawrence J. McAuliffe (Larry)
Systems Consulting Services, Inc.
5058 Dorsey Hall Drive Suite 202/203
Ellicott City MD 21042

Email:  mailto:lmcaulif@scsiweb.com
Voice:  (410) 730 - 4040 ext. 3111

Attachment(s):

From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 15:11:19 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 14:11:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-ID: <200308191811.OAB08595@rly-xl03.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
from 66-162-15-41.gen.twtelecom.net [66.162.15.41]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<barts1000@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-xl04.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<barts1000@aol.com>
<<< 552 barts1000 MAILBOX FULL
554 <barts1000@aol.com>... Service unavailable
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From postmaster at Syngress.com  Tue Aug 19 15:15:25 2003
From: postmaster at Syngress.com (postmaster@Syngress.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 14:17:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Message-ID: <ix4A2DreB00000172@syngress-1.Syngress.local>

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       solutions@syngress.com



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From Itamar.Rosenn at clinton.com  Tue Aug 19 15:22:43 2003
From: Itamar.Rosenn at clinton.com (Itamar Rosenn)
Date: Tue Aug 19 14:22:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training
Message-ID: <FNEPLLLGDKINFDJAGMMAMEFECBAA.Itamar.Rosenn@clinton.com>

Hello,

I'm a new user to SpamBayes; I've recently downloaded the Outlook Plug-in.
I don't have too much spam currently that could serve as an ample training
set; would forwarding a huge bundle from my AOL account and training on
those messages all forwarded from one address result in skewed learning
performance?

Thanks,

Itamar Rosenn
itamar.rosenn@clinton.com


From MAILER-DAEMON at xwing.netscape.com  Tue Aug 19 11:09:24 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at xwing.netscape.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 14:25:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: see transcript for details
Message-ID: <200308191709.h7JH9Omr012488@xwing.netscape.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to shemail.aoltw.net.:
>>> RCPT To:<8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>
<<< 550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown
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From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Tue Aug 19 15:40:43 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Tue Aug 19 14:40:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Lots of "returned mail bouncing around"
In-Reply-To: <008c01c3667b$7648d100$89fa4720@scsi0627>
References: <008c01c3667b$7648d100$89fa4720@scsi0627>
Message-ID: <20030819184043.GA29817@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 01:58:13PM -0400, Lawrence J. McAuliffe wrote:
| Hello,
| 
| I've gotten numerous copies of the following "returned mail
| notification" today; a fair amount of it seemingly addressed TO:
| spambayes@python.org and FROM:
| "spambayes-bounces+lmcaulif=scsiweb.com@python.org; on behalf of;
| Mail Delivery Subsystem [MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com]"

That's correct.

| I have to assume it's someone, somewhere, that's got a virus but

A lot of windows users are passing around SoBig.F now.

| I've no idea what - if anything - I can do to help break the
| cycle.

Nothing.

| I don't think I'm directly involved

You aren't.


In the case of that AOL message above, a subscriber of the list
subscribed with his/her AOL account and his/her mailbox is currently
full.  Hence when the MLM delivers the messages to that user the
delivery fails somewhere along the line.  The real problem starts when
some piece of server software involved has the bright idea of
automatically sending messages to addresses it finds in headers such
as To: or Cc:.  Thus the list receives the non-delivery notices.  This
is a problem because none of us have anything to do with it.  Bounces
are supposed to go to the envelope sender, only, not to any other
address no matter how it is obtained.  If the bounces went to the
envelope sender then the MLM would have automatically processed the
messages and you wouldn't be seeing them.

This same sort of problem occurs when (Windows-based) virus scanning
software decides to notify all addresses (included mailing lists) that
it found a virus.  Imagine the fun when 10 (or more) subscribers have
such "helpful" software.

(this is one area where spambayes becomes helpful because it can do a
decent job of identifying all sorts of variations on the "I found a
virus" announcements)

-D

-- 
There is not a righteous man on earth
    who does what is right and never sins.
        Ecclesiastes 7:20
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Tue Aug 19 15:27:42 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Tue Aug 19 14:58:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training
In-Reply-To: <FNEPLLLGDKINFDJAGMMAMEFECBAA.Itamar.Rosenn@clinton.com>
Message-ID: <20030819182801.E7C0986301@plunder.dreamhost.com>

One bad side-effect would be anything forwarded from the aol account would
be marked as spam.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Itamar Rosenn
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:23 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] training
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm a new user to SpamBayes; I've recently downloaded the Outlook Plug-in.
> I don't have too much spam currently that could serve as an ample training
> set; would forwarding a huge bundle from my AOL account and training on
> those messages all forwarded from one address result in skewed learning
> performance?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Itamar Rosenn
> itamar.rosenn@clinton.com
> 



From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:06:31 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 15:07:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-ID: <200308191906.PAG07700@rly-xi04.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:06:02 -0400 (EDT)
from lrsex1.lrs.com [199.96.2.12]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<thebuzzflash@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-xi02.mail.aol.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED - Unrepairable Virus Detected. Your mail has not been sent.
554 <thebuzzflash@aol.com>... Service unavailable
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From joseph.sagan at thomson.com  Tue Aug 19 16:07:08 2003
From: joseph.sagan at thomson.com (Sagan, Joseph)
Date: Tue Aug 19 15:07:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Out of Office AutoReply: Details
Message-ID: <05B259DDF7A2D511A6F400508BBD35AF045BD743@tfsnymsg9.tfn.com>

I am currently out of the office. If you have a emergency please call our
Production Control Hotline at 212-807-5395. 

From root at sys201.dumitru.com  Tue Aug 19 20:23:51 2003
From: root at sys201.dumitru.com (System Anti-Virus Administrator)
Date: Tue Aug 19 15:23:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus found in sent message "Re: Your application"
Message-ID: <sys201106132099840816069@sys201>

Attention: <spambayes@python.org>.


A Virus was found in an Email message you sent. 
This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message
reaching it's destination. 

The Virus was reported to be: 

 the W32/Sobig.f@MM virus !!!


Please update your virus scanner or contact your I.T support 
personnel as soon as possible as you have a virus on your system.


Your message was sent with the following envelope:

MAIL FROM: spambayes@python.org
RCPT TO:   customerservice@neoteric.to 

... and with the following headers:

From:    <spambayes@python.org>
To:      <customerservice@neoteric.to>
Subject: Re: Your application
Date:    Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:23:13 --0400



The original message is kept in:

  sys201:/var/spool/qmailscan/quarantine

where the System Anti-Virus Administrator can further diagnose it.

The Email scanner reported the following when it scanned that message:

--- 

---uvscan results ---
Scanning /var/spool/qmailscan/sys201106132099440816069/*
Scanning file /var/spool/qmailscan/sys201106132099440816069/wicked_scr.scr
/var/spool/qmailscan/sys201106132099440816069/wicked_scr.scr
        Found the W32/Sobig.f@MM virus !!!
Scanning file /var/spool/qmailscan/sys201106132099440816069/1061320995.16122-0.sys201
Scanning /var/spool/qmailscan/working/new/sys201106132099440816069
Scanning file /var/spool/qmailscan/working/new/sys201106132099440816069

---

From Mailer-Daemon at net.gendyn.com  Tue Aug 19 15:44:00 2003
From: Mailer-Daemon at net.gendyn.com (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Tue Aug 19 15:45:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Mail delivery refused: virus found in attachment
Message-ID: <E19pBSa-0002IY-00@net1.gendyn.com>

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  bgischne@ebmail.gdeb.com

The message was rejected because the following attachments were
found to be infected with these viruses:

  In File: wicked_scr.scr
    Found: SCR File !!!

------ This is the original message, without attachments. ------

Received: from [63.162.166.67] (helo=JMILLANE)
	by net1.gendyn.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1)
	id 19pBSR-0002GC-00
	for bgischne@ebmail.gdeb.com; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:43:52 -0400
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <bgischne@ebmail.gdeb.com>
Subject: Re: That movie
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:47:43 --0400
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_3EF9DCC8"
Message-Id: <E19pBSR-0002GC-00@net1.gendyn.com>

Please see the attached file for details.

From linvan.scott at thomson.com  Tue Aug 19 16:07:07 2003
From: linvan.scott at thomson.com (Scott, Linvan)
Date: Tue Aug 19 15:53:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Out of Office AutoReply: Details
Message-ID: <1DCD8EE519B1D511B78B0002A53F8B0203AE404A@tmgnymsg2.tfn.com>

I will be out of the office on  8/19/03
I will be back in the office on 8/20/03 
For any,TM3/MMD,Euro Yield and IFR trial  or extension please contact Betty
Spiker  (betty.spiker@tfn.com) Phone number 646-822-3569 or call
(800-367-8215)

From cheryl.goff at gsa.gov  Tue Aug 19 15:24:32 2003
From: cheryl.goff at gsa.gov (cheryl.goff@gsa.gov)
Date: Tue Aug 19 16:23:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your application
Message-ID: <E19pD1I-0001b6-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From postmaster at pkn.pl  Tue Aug 19 21:47:29 2003
From: postmaster at pkn.pl (System Anti-Virus Administrator)
Date: Tue Aug 19 16:47:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Disallowed attachment type znaleziony w wyslanej
	wiadomosci / found in sent message "Re: Thank you!"
Message-ID: <mail106131920842618958@mail>


Uwaga / Attention: spambayes@python.org


W wiadomosci ktora wyslales/as zostal znaleziony Disallowed attachment type.
Ten program antywirusowy przechwycil i zatrzymal cala wiadomosc
zanim dotarla do odbiorcy.
A Disallowed attachment type was found in an Email message you sent. 
This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message
reaching it's destination. 

Disallowed attachment type zostal zidentyfikowany jako:
The Disallowed attachment type was reported to be: 

PIF files not allowed per Company security policy


Prosze sie skontaktowac ze swoim dzialem I.T w razie jakis pytan odnosnie
tego zabezpieczenia.
Please contact your I.T support personnel with any queries regarding this 
policy.


Wiadomosci, ktora zostala przez ciebie wyslana byla zaadresowana: 
Your message was sent with the following envelope:

MAIL FROM: spambayes@python.org
RCPT TO:   adam.gomulka@pkn.com.pl 

... i zawierala nastepujace naglowki:
... and with the following headers:

---
MAILFROM: spambayes@python.org
Received: from unknown (HELO JMILLANE) (63.162.166.67)
  by 194.181.76.3 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 18:53:23 -0000
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <adam.gomulka@pkn.com.pl>
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:04:30 --0400
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_3F093A9A"


---



From info at abbeymoore.com  Tue Aug 19 14:48:08 2003
From: info at abbeymoore.com (info@abbeymoore.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 16:48:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19pDOg-0003u6-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From wendt at image.dk  Tue Aug 19 23:33:20 2003
From: wendt at image.dk (Henrik Wendt)
Date: Tue Aug 19 16:48:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode
	character '\ue6' 
Message-ID: <000001c36691$21cf4a30$0370a8c0@asus>

I've just downloaded the outlook add in 0.7 for my windows 2000 outlook.
I can't however make it work, inspecting the log file give the
following:
 
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\wendt\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\wendt\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003) starting
(with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)]
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.universal", line 170, in dispatch
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1234, in OnStartupComplete
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 946, in OnFolderSwitch
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 735, in SetupUI
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 882, in _AddControl
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.client", line 250, in DispatchWithEvents
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.client.gencache", line 419, in EnsureModule
exceptions.UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character
'\ue6' in position 15: ordinal not in range(128)
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 280, in _invoke_
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.server.policy", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 926, in OnSelectionChange
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 735, in SetupUI
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 882, in _AddControl
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.client", line 250, in DispatchWithEvents
  File "out1.pyz/win32com.client.gencache", line 419, in EnsureModule
exceptions.UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character
'\ue6' in position 15: ordinal not in range(128)
 
 
Any help appreciated.
 
Regards 
Henrik
From edrubins at andisplace.com  Tue Aug 19 13:37:03 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:10:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9260D@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030819121627.00ae81a8@localhost>

At 01:46 PM 8/18/2003 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> >> I'm in the process of adding some logging to smtpproxy.py in
> >> an attempt to figure this one out. If I can come up with an answer
> >> (or a good guess) I'll post it to the list.
>
> >That would be greatly appreciated.

The attached zip file contains the results of the smtpproxy logging I added 
(such as it is) plus two lan sniffer traces between the PC and the SMTP 
server. QUITWITH.TRC has smtpproxy in the loop. Look for the added comments

         #
         # Start SMTP exchange
         #

to find the start of the smtp session. QUITW_O.TRC has the SMTP session 
without smtpproxy. There doesn't seem to be much difference. Both get the 
expected 221 response to QUIT.

One thing I couldn't find quickly was where to log the data travelling on 
port 25. I assumed that was exposed in smtpproxy.py. But we both know what 
assume stands for *8=>). Norton Anti-Virus is sitting in the middle and may 
be muddling things up (I did disable the email checking, but didn't restart 
or reboot so the change may not have taken effect.)


Best, Ed
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From 190zexb at netscape.net  Tue Aug 19 16:14:28 2003
From: 190zexb at netscape.net (190zexb@netscape.net)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:13:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19pDnc-00047o-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From sandra at tournet2000.com  Tue Aug 19 15:19:56 2003
From: sandra at tournet2000.com (sandra@tournet2000.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:19:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
Message-ID: <E19pDtS-0006XO-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:07:18 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:29:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308191907.PAJ06703@rly-na01.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<kenamob@netscape.net>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-na03.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<kenamob@netscape.net>
<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
550 <kenamob@netscape.net>... User unknown
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From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:01:22 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:29:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308192001.QAL09602@rly-na02.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:00:58 -0400 (EDT)
from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<kenamob@netscape.net>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-na03.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<kenamob@netscape.net>
<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
550 <kenamob@netscape.net>... User unknown
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From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:27:44 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:29:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308192027.QAB05952@rly-nc02.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT)
from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<kenamob@netscape.net>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-nc04.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<kenamob@netscape.net>
<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
550 <kenamob@netscape.net>... User unknown
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From MAILER-DAEMON at xmail3.prod1.inuntius.com  Tue Aug 19 22:34:32 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at xmail3.prod1.inuntius.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:35:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: see transcript for details
Message-ID: <200308192134.h7JLYWqZ008830@xmail3.prod1.inuntius.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:34:32 GMT
from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<9wcidofcue@xmsg.com>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 Your message could not be sent to 9wcidofcue@xmsg.com because this account does not exist)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to db0.prod1.inuntius.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 550 5.1.1 Your message could not be sent to 9wcidofcue@xmsg.com because this account does not exist
550 5.1.1 <9wcidofcue@xmsg.com>... User unknown
<<< 503 5.5.1 Need RCPT (recipient)
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From fasty at i-sphere.com  Tue Aug 19 12:29:34 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:47:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: see transcript for details
In-Reply-To: <200308191709.h7JH9Omr012488@xwing.netscape.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.0.20030819112858.01c16ff8@shell.i-sphere.com>

Wow You got few dead account.. rid it :D


At 10:09 AM 8/19/2003, Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote:
>The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
>from dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10]
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
><8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>
>     (reason: 550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>... while talking to shemail.aoltw.net.:
> >>> RCPT To:<8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>
><<< 550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown
>550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown
>Reporting-MTA: dns; xwing.netscape.com
>Received-From-MTA: DNS; dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net
>Arrival-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Final-Recipient: RFC822; 8g13p94ikb@netscape.com
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.1.1
>Remote-MTA: DNS; shemail.aoltw.net
>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>... User unknown
>Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
>Return-Path: <spambayes@python.org>
>Received: from STEVE01 (dnvrapanas18poola10.dnvr.uswest.net [65.102.241.10])
>         by xwing.netscape.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7JH9Fmr012342
>         for <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-Id: <200308191709.h7JH9Fmr012342@xwing.netscape.com>
>From: <spambayes@python.org>
>To: <8g13p94ikb@netscape.com>
>Subject: Your details
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:09:44 --0600
>X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>Importance: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>         boundary="_NextPart_000_2A329567"
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From fx1njyk at yahoo.ca  Tue Aug 19 16:48:57 2003
From: fx1njyk at yahoo.ca (fx1njyk@yahoo.ca)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:48:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Approved
Message-ID: <E19pEKz-0002ak-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From maestro1 at san.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:51:13 2003
From: maestro1 at san.rr.com (maestro1@san.rr.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:50:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
Message-ID: <E19pENB-0004ql-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From MAILER-DAEMON at mail.atlaswebmail.com  Tue Aug 19 22:51:22 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at mail.atlaswebmail.com (MAILER-DAEMON@mail.atlaswebmail.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:51:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure notice
Message-ID: <E19pENt-0005Aa-00@mail.python.org>

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.atlaswebmail.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<aturngar@atlaswebmail.com>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

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To: <aturngar@atlaswebmail.com>
Subject: Re: That movie
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:51:06 --0600
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
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From crankinghypocritical at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 16:55:24 2003
From: crankinghypocritical at earthlink.net (crankinghypocritical@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:54:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
Message-ID: <E19pERD-0006Al-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From steves at otterbox.com  Tue Aug 19 16:54:23 2003
From: steves at otterbox.com (Steve Shockley)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:55:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Found in message "Wicked screensaver"
Message-ID: <4450B27C56F8E642B7B6943CD73FCC520ACF31@otterbox01.otterbox.com>

Symantec AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment you (spambayes@python.org <spambayes@python.org>) sent to Steve Shockley.

To ensure the recipient(s) are able to use the files you sent, perform a virus scan on your computer, clean any infected files, then resend this attachment.


Attachment:  movie0045.pif
Virus name: W32.Sobig.F@mm
Action taken:  Clean failed : Quarantine succeeded : 
File status:  Infected



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From msccatus at microsoft.com  Tue Aug 19 18:49:44 2003
From: msccatus at microsoft.com (msccatus@microsoft.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:57:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
Message-ID: <E19pEUC-0006lb-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From help at win4real.com  Tue Aug 19 18:50:50 2003
From: help at win4real.com (help@win4real.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:59:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Re: My details
Message-ID: <E19pEVF-00077e-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From support at radmin.com  Tue Aug 19 18:51:05 2003
From: support at radmin.com (support@radmin.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:59:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
Message-ID: <E19pEVT-0007E8-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From mssoporte at microsoft.com.ve  Tue Aug 19 18:51:48 2003
From: mssoporte at microsoft.com.ve (mssoporte@microsoft.com.ve)
Date: Tue Aug 19 17:59:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19pEWB-0007mW-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From scriptmaster at scripthorizon.com  Tue Aug 19 18:54:16 2003
From: scriptmaster at scripthorizon.com (scriptmaster@scripthorizon.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:02:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
Message-ID: <E19pEYZ-00024P-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From postmaster at cvtelecom.cv  Tue Aug 19 21:49:07 2003
From: postmaster at cvtelecom.cv (postmaster@cvtelecom.cv)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:02:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery failure (cslinesv@cvtelecom.cv)
Message-ID: <B0013333565@services.cvtelecom.cv>

Your message has encountered delivery problems
to the following recipient(s):

nni00420
(Was addressed to cslinesv@cvtelecom.cv)
Delivery failed
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From postmaster at mercury.f5hosting.com  Tue Aug 19 19:03:20 2003
From: postmaster at mercury.f5hosting.com (MailScanner)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:03:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Warning: E-mail viruses detected
Message-ID: <E19pEZU-0000G7-7W@mercury.f5hosting.com>

Our virus detector has just been triggered by a message you sent:-
  To: webmaster@wirelessgamingreview.com
  Subject:  Re: Wicked screensaver
  Date: Tue Aug 19 18:03:20 2003

One or more of the attachments (thank_you.pif) are on
the list of unacceptable attachments for this site and will not have
been delivered.

Consider renaming the files or putting them into a "zip" file to avoid
this constraint.

The virus detector said this about the message:
Report: Shortcuts to MS-Dos programs are very dangerous in email (thank_you.pif)
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From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Tue Aug 19 18:54:55 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:18:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.14.0.20030819112858.01c16ff8@shell.i-sphere.com>
References: <200308191709.h7JH9Omr012488@xwing.netscape.com>
	<6.0.0.14.0.20030819112858.01c16ff8@shell.i-sphere.com>
Message-ID: <20030819215455.GA2335@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:29:34AM -0700, fasty wrote:
| Wow You got few dead account.. rid it :D

It's SoBig.F trying to propagate itself and using the list address as
the "sender".  Somewhere it found something that looked like an
address (but was invalid) and it tried sending itself there.

-D

-- 
After you install Microsoft Windows XP, you have the option to create
user accounts.  If you create user accounts, by default, they will have
an account type of administrator with no password.
                                                            -- bugtraq
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From MAILER-DAEMON at HotPOP.com  Tue Aug 19 22:32:50 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at HotPOP.com (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:23:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Message-ID: <20030819213250.5026F214398@babyruth.hotpop.com>

Undeliverable Address: ellen25@hotpop.com

Reason: The email address specified above has
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System Contact: abuse@HotPOP.com


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From SurveyHelp at gozing.com  Tue Aug 19 16:30:22 2003
From: SurveyHelp at gozing.com (SurveyHelp)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:31:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for contacting goZing Surveys!
Message-ID: <4025AC1F10BEE74B81FD048682FADF7E7CBFB1@exch01.zing.lcl>

Thank you for contacting goZing Surveys. Your inquiry is important to
us, and our goal is to get back to you within 72 hours. 

If you need assistance right away, visit our Help Center: 
http://www.gozingsurveys.com/survey_site/helpcenter.asp 



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From tys at tvg.ca  Tue Aug 19 14:29:31 2003
From: tys at tvg.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Tue Aug 19 18:31:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] imap filter problems
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1824.129.128.138.135.1061321371.squirrel@mail.tvg.ca>

Meyer, Tony said:
> I have very occasionally seen this too, but whenever I've tried to
> reproduce it (to fix it) I haven't been able to.  Do you get this
> consistently?  If you do, could you run imapfilter with the "-i4" switch
> and tell me/the list what you get?

It is consistant, even though I don't use imapfilter any more I would love
to help debug it.  The output is included below.

> I'm not sure if anyone has answered this yet, so I will, although I must
> point out that I have never used a setup anything like this :).
> ...
> Or the imap filter setup you described should work.  It all depends on
> your personal taste, really.

I have modified SquirrelMail with buttons to move selected messages to a
TrainHam, TrainSpam or Classify folder.  I then have a crontab that runs
mboxfilter on the TrainHam and TrainSpam folder, pipes the messages in the
TrainHam and Classify folders back through procmail (so they are filtered
to the correct folder after training) and moves the messages in the
TrainSpam folder to the Spam folder.  The setup is feels similar to the
Outlook plugin (but works completey different), and no need to use the web
interface because the training is integrated, thanks for the ideas though.

Output below.

-- 
Tys von Gaza
tys@tvg.ca

[gaza@games gaza]$ python2.2 spambayes/imapfilter.py -v -t -i4
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Alpha1, version 0.01 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha1, version 0.01
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database hammie.db... Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is an existing database, with 0 spam and 0 ham
Done.
  18:45.14 > FPNB1 LOGIN **** "******"
  18:45.19 < FPNB1 OK LOGIN Ok.
Training
  18:45.19 > FPNB2 SELECT INBOX.SB.TrainHam
  18:45.19 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent)
  18:45.19 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted
\Seen)] Limited
  18:45.19 < * 1 EXISTS
  18:45.19 < * 0 RECENT
  18:45.19 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1060841558] Ok
  18:45.19 < FPNB2 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok
   Training ham folder INBOX.SB.TrainHam
  18:45.19 > FPNB3 UID SEARCH UNDELETED
  18:45.19 < * SEARCH 157
  18:45.19 < FPNB3 OK SEARCH done.
  18:45.19 > FPNB4 UID FETCH 157 RFC822.HEADER
  18:45.19 < * 1 FETCH (UID 157 RFC822.HEADER {2075}
  18:45.19 read literal size 2075
  18:45.19 < )
  18:45.19 < FPNB4 OK FETCH completed.
  18:45.20 > FPNB5 UID FETCH 157 RFC822.PEEK
  18:45.20 < FPNB5 NO Error in IMAP command received by server.
  18:45.20 NO response: Error in IMAP command received by server.
  18:45.20 > FPNB6 UID FETCH 157 RFC822
  18:45.20 < * 1 FETCH (UID 157 RFC822 {5442}
  18:45.20 read literal size 5442
  18:45.20 < )
  18:45.20 < FPNB6 OK FETCH completed.
  18:45.22 > FPNB7 UID FETCH 157 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE)
  18:45.22 < * 1 FETCH (UID 157 FLAGS (\Seen) INTERNALDATE "19-Aug-2003
10:07:21 -0600")
  18:45.23 < FPNB7 OK FETCH completed.
  18:45.24 > FPNB8 APPEND INBOX.SB.TrainHam (\Seen) "19-Aug-2003 10:07:21
-0600" {5476}
  18:45.24 < + OK
  18:45.24 write literal size 5476
  18:45.29 < FPNB8 OK [APPENDUID 1060841558 158] APPEND Ok.
  18:45.29 > FPNB9 UID STORE 157 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted)
  18:45.29 < FPNB9 OK STORE completed.
  18:45.29 > FPNB10 UID SEARCH (UNDELETED HEADER X-Spambayes-MailId
1061320725)
  18:45.29 < * SEARCH
  18:45.29 < * 1 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted))
  18:45.29 < FPNB10 OK SEARCH done.
  18:45.29 > FPNB11 UID SEARCH RECENT
  18:45.29 < * SEARCH
  18:45.29 < FPNB11 OK SEARCH done.
*.Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 782, in ?
    run()
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 768, in run
    imap_filter.Train()
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 594, in Train
    num_ham_trained = folder.Train(self.classifier, False)
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 543, in Train
    msg.Save()
  File "spambayes/imapfilter.py", line 365, in Save
    response = imap.uid("FETCH", self.uid, "(FLAGS INTERNALDATE)")
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 622, in uid
    typ, dat = apply(self._simple_command, (name, command) + args)
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 925, in _simple_command
    return self._command_complete(name, apply(self._command, (name,) + args))
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 699, in _command
    data = '%s %s' % (data, self._checkquote(arg))
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/imaplib.py", line 908, in _checkquote
    if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
IndexError: string index out of range


From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 18:30:54 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue Aug 19 19:22:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-ID: <200308192130.RAJ29898@rly-nc06.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:21 -0400 (EDT)
from fw-33.40.chattanoogastate.edu [198.146.33.40]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
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--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
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   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-nc03.mail.aol.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED - Unrepairable Virus Detected. Your mail has not been sent.
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 20 10:30:38 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 19 19:31:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] training
In-Reply-To: <FNEPLLLGDKINFDJAGMMAMEFECBAA.Itamar.Rosenn@clinton.com>
Message-ID: <2b8701c366a9$eae61800$f502a8c0@eden>

> I'm a new user to SpamBayes; I've recently downloaded the
> Outlook Plug-in.
> I don't have too much spam currently that could serve as an
> ample training
> set; would forwarding a huge bundle from my AOL account and
> training on
> those messages all forwarded from one address result in
> skewed learning
> performance?

As long as you can find 5 spam, that will be fine.  It is takes too long to
wait for these 5 spam to arrive, then you probably don't need SpamBayes
<wink>.

As Adam said, best results would be achieved by *not* forwarding mail from
AOL - just let SpamBayes slowly learn.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 20 12:41:33 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 19 19:42:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for the time you save me.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92D88@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1. Under Define Filters, give me the ability to delete Certain Spam.

FAQ 3.10 answers this:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes
-to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>

Deleting spam automatically is a risky thing, especially if people
accidentally use it before they have trained sufficiently.  Using
Outlook's AutoArchive ability, though, you can essentially do this
anyway.

> 2. Give me the ability to merge another SpamBayes db into my 
> db.  Myself & another user in our office use & appreciate 
> SpamBayes.  A third user would like to use the program.  I 
> don't want the new user to go through the month or so of 
> training.  I want to install SpamBayes on the third users 
> computer & then merge my db into that new users db.

If you're 'merging' into a new database, then you could just start with
a copy of your instead of trying to merge.  See FAQ 3.7:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my-training-
data-from-one-computer-to-another>

=Tony Meyer

From chuckn at k-inc.com  Tue Aug 19 19:05:14 2003
From: chuckn at k-inc.com (chuckn@k-inc.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 20:25:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000b01c366a6$5bca6160$9865fea9@chuck>

From fasty at i-sphere.com  Tue Aug 19 12:21:22 2003
From: fasty at i-sphere.com (fasty)
Date: Tue Aug 19 20:51:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <ix4A2DreB00000172@syngress-1.Syngress.local>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.0.20030819112057.01c1d100@shell.i-sphere.com>

rid solutions@syngress.com dammit

At 11:15 AM 8/19/2003, postmaster@Syngress.com wrote:
>This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
>Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>
>        solutions@syngress.com
>
>
>
>Reporting-MTA: dns;syngress-1.Syngress.local
>Received-From-MTA: dns;audacious.xo.com
>Arrival-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:24 -0400
>
>Final-Recipient: rfc822;solutions@syngress.com
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.1.1
>Received: from audacious.xo.com ([207.155.252.67]) by
>         syngress-1.Syngress.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
>         Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:24 -0400
>Received: from ROYWIN2K (66-162-15-41.gen.twtelecom.net [66.162.15.41])
>         by audacious.xo.com (ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.39)
>         id OAA09737 for <solutions@syngress.com>;
>         Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT)
>From: spambayes@python.org
>Message-Id: <200308191815.OAA09737@audacious.xo.com>
>Errors-To: <spambayes@python.org>
>To: <solutions@syngress.com>
>Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:08 --0400
>X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>Importance: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>         boundary="_NextPart_000_0134B5F7"
>Return-Path: spambayes@python.org
>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 18:15:24.0921 (UTC)
>         FILETIME=[DC48CE90:01C3667D]
>
>Please see the attached file for details.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

-trev
http://www.monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi -

(Death to Spam!)

From postmaster at pubserv.vt.edu  Tue Aug 19 17:53:49 2003
From: postmaster at pubserv.vt.edu (postmaster@pubserv.vt.edu)
Date: Tue Aug 19 22:58:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Message-ID: <REAZpTEXI0000002a@cv-37.pubserv.vt.edu>

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       infoquest@vaports.com



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From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 01:43:37 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Wed Aug 20 00:44:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308200443.AAC24934@rly-yc02.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:43:10 -0400 (EDT)
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Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
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   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-yc01.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<robbob2573@aol.com>
<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
550 <robbob2573@aol.com>... User unknown
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 10:32:17 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:29:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: That movie
In-Reply-To: <200308211632.h7LGWEC29389@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211632.h7LGWEC29389@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211632.JAA14290@russet.ascend.com>

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:19:12 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:30:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308211819.h7LIJ2813239@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211819.h7LIJ2813239@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:24:05 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:30:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your details
In-Reply-To: <200308211824.h7LIO0815520@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211824.h7LIO0815520@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211824.LAA20476@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From MAILER-DAEMON at jazzband.ncsc.mil  Thu Aug 21 13:19:25 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at jazzband.ncsc.mil (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:31:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: see transcript for details
Message-ID: <200308211219.h7LCJPfF022127@jazzband.ncsc.mil>

The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:19:23 GMT
from localhost [127.0.0.1]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<dlander@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
    (reason: 550 <dlander@afterlife.ncsc.mil>... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to afterlife.ncsc.mil.:
>>> RCPT To:<dlander@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
<<< 550 <dlander@afterlife.ncsc.mil>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <dlander@afterlife.ncsc.mil>... User unknown
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From damian at science.nus.edu.sg  Fri Aug 22 01:57:28 2003
From: damian at science.nus.edu.sg (damian)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:32:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] enquiry
In-Reply-To: <16152.23990.630411.637388@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1058517236.5575.39.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<16152.23990.630411.637388@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1061368625.12760.48.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all,

Sorry, wondering if the first mail get thru. Cause, I didn't receive one
myself.

I had been receiving logs that say:

'ImportError: No module named spambayes.hammiebulk'

Did I miss out some steps? Any advice?

Thanks and rgds,
damian


-- 
damian <damian@science.nus.edu.sg>


From damian at science.nus.edu.sg  Fri Aug 22 01:57:56 2003
From: damian at science.nus.edu.sg (damian)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:33:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enquiry
Message-ID: <1061366654.12760.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I am having a problem with spambayes. I keep getting error(from
procmail.log) that says 'ImportError: No module named
spambayes.hammiebulk'

Any idea why?

Thanks and rgds,
Damian
-- 
damian <damian@science.nus.edu.sg>


From please_do_not_reply at securepipe.com  Fri Aug 22 02:00:46 2003
From: please_do_not_reply at securepipe.com (please_do_not_reply@securepipe.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:35:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] message delivery failed: message rejected
Message-ID: <20030820164941.16478.qmail@av-one.wi.securepipe.com>

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
        *** Your message was not delivered ***
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Routine scanning of email detected a virus or other
potentially hostile items in the message you attempted to
send.  This notice is only to inform you that the delivery
failed, and should be retried with a virus-free message.

Details follow:

  (msg from <spambayes@python.org> to <eredd@ceaworldwide.com>)
  
  From: <spambayes@python.org>
  To: <eredd@ceaworldwide.com>
  Subject: Re: Approved
  Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:49:12 --0400
  
  >>> Virus 'W32/Sobig-F' found in thank_you.pif

Please direct any questions regarding this notice to the
SecurePipe, Inc. email admins: support-mail@securepipe.com
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

From postmaster at Fedders.com  Wed Aug 20 16:20:57 2003
From: postmaster at Fedders.com (System Administrator)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:39:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undeliverable: Thank you!
Message-ID: <A3204CD1658B10498291B53AED81735C05F0BF@ef0exc000.fedders.com>

Your message

  To:      jan@eubankmfg.com
  Subject: Thank you!
  Sent:    Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:16:48 -0500

did not reach the following recipient(s):

jan@eubankmfg.com on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:16:53 -0500
    The recipient name is not recognized
	The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a=
;p=fedders;l=EF0EXC0000308202016R2HD7N38
    MSEXCH:IMS:Fedders:Effingham:EF0EXC000 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient


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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:30:20 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:51:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: That movie
In-Reply-To: <200308212030.h7LKUB826089@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212030.h7LKUB826089@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308212030.NAA26884@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:29:41 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:51:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308212029.h7LKTb825800@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212029.h7LKTb825800@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308212029.NAA26849@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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========================================
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 13:06:14 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:55:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308211906.h7LJ6A809581@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211906.h7LJ6A809581@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211906.MAA22627@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 13:10:20 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:56:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308211910.h7LJAHD22659@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211910.h7LJAHD22659@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211910.MAA22799@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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From VinceT at russound.com  Thu Aug 21 19:33:01 2003
From: VinceT at russound.com (VinceT@russound.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 08:58:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Symantec AVF detected an unrepairable virus in a
	message you sent
Message-ID: <0a7101c36834$2de55c20$0800000a@RUSSOUND.COM>

Subject of the message: Re: Wicked screensaver
Recipient of the message: GEORGE GAVUTIS




From postmaster at torontohomeoffice.com  Thu Aug 21 10:56:03 2003
From: postmaster at torontohomeoffice.com (Postmaster)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:03:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] WARNING: YOU MAY HAVE A VIRUS
Message-ID: <200308210956.AA539558158@torontohomeoffice.com>

Our Network Virus software on our corporate mail server has reported that you sent
an email to [Unknown Var], containing the  W32/Sobig.F@mm in the
thank_you.pif attachment.  
The subject of the email was "Re: Wicked screensaver".  
The email containing the virus has been quarantined to prevent furtherdamage.

You should run a virus scanning software on your system regularly 
to prevent future instances.

 

Headers Follow:

Received: from TEMP [217.158.80.100] by mail.worldsites.net with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF692027010E; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:55:53 -0400
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <antolstoy@wsiconsultants.com>
Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:57:03 +0100
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_004EB838"
Message-Id: <20030821095582.SM06576@TEMP>

From no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com  Thu Aug 21 16:48:08 2003
From: no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (no-reply@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:09:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308212048.h7LKm7h14465@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>

The e-mail message (file: movie0045.pif) you sent to <support@ascend.com> contains a virus (WORM_SOBIG.F).

From editors at computerbooksdirect.com  Wed Aug 20 18:25:35 2003
From: editors at computerbooksdirect.com (editors@computerbooksdirect.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:10:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you! [#1436001]
Message-ID: <eGain@28536Wed20Aug200317.25.35>

Thank you for contacting us.  We have received your e-mail and it will be forwarded to the appropriate person.  Please be assured that your message is important to us as we value our member's feedback.  We will review you comments and/or concerns and contact you if appropriate.

*The sending address for this email is an automated account.  This message is for notification purposes only and should not be replied to.

Thank you. 




----- <spambayes python.org> Wrote -----
Please see the attached file for details.



From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:10:43 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:22:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308211810.h7LIAW706634@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211810.h7LIAW706634@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211810.LAA19707@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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========================================
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eSight Service Center:  www.esight.com
========================================

From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:17:18 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:23:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Re: My details
In-Reply-To: <200308211817.h7LIHB710751@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211817.h7LIHB710751@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211817.LAA20063@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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========================================
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eSight Service Center:  www.esight.com
========================================

From jake.angulo at bigfoot.com  Wed Aug 20 12:33:22 2003
From: jake.angulo at bigfoot.com (Jake)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:25:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
Message-ID: <000a01c366cb$d01b4c30$aa0c300a@LEARN.local>

Hello Tony,

Your reply has been very helpful.  I was able to get an output and i did try to compute the probability - taking formulas from the classifier code... just barely grasping to understand python though :))     So far i got values close to the sample tables.  I used the following prob formula:
 
*prob = spamratio / (hamratio + spamratio)         where: (spamratio = spamcount / nspam;   hamratio = hamcount / nham)
Right now, i'm still trying to simulate the other formulas & conditions.



Thank you very much!

---jake

-----Original Message-----

From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:35 AM
To: Jake; SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?

>
If you use the dbExpImp script, you can export your database to a '`'
separated text file. It's then easy to open it in Excel or whatever,
and take a look at the results. If you run "dbExpImp.py -h" it gives
examples about how to go about doing this. Note that this won't include
the prob, just the counts (but you could calculate the prob yourself).
>
Probably from someone using the Outlook plug-in. The plug-in has the
ability to display a table like this for any particular message,
displaying the tokens for that message. You can do something similar
with the web interface used for pop3proxy and the imap filter, either
using the "classify message" action on the front page, or (for
pop3proxy) clicking on a "show clues" link on the review page.
>
That is correct (although not the probability, just the individual
counts and a total count - the probability is calculated on the fly).
=Tony Meyer
From tmj at juntunen.us  Wed Aug 20 18:35:55 2003
From: tmj at juntunen.us (Thomas Juntunen)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:34:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <E19oOmO-0005zr-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>

Recently, there was some discussion of licensing and the legal issues surrounding software. Someone said matters were arranged so some entity, such as Microsoft, could not swoop in and buy everything up.

I thought of that when I got a message from the IETF's Anti-Spam Research Group mailing list about a spam-related patent, so I went to the USPO web site and did some searching. I was most interested in patent 6,161,130. (Sorry about the URL from hell).

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,161,130.WKU.&OS=PN/6,161,130&RS=PN/6,161,130

I am not all that qualified to say, but the description of this patent -- filed in 1998 -- sounds a lot like the Bayesian, or naive Bayesian, technique to me. After you look at the abstract or description, take a look at the Assignee -- a certain enterprise from Redmond, WA.

I am definitely not a lawyer, but this can't be a good thing, so I'm hoping someone more savvy about how SpamBayes and related engines work can tell me there's no real relation here.

Thomas Juntunen

From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 13:59:57 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:40:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308211959.h7LJxlU01194@auemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211959.h7LJxlU01194@auemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211959.MAA25250@russet.ascend.com>

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:07:53 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:41:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308212007.h7LK7n709296@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212007.h7LK7n709296@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308212007.NAA25623@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:11:34 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:41:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your details
In-Reply-To: <200308212011.h7LKBV711133@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212011.h7LKBV711133@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308212011.NAA25847@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From questions at jenniferaniston.com  Wed Aug 20 23:58:09 2003
From: questions at jenniferaniston.com (questions@jenniferaniston.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 09:49:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer.
Message-ID: <20030821055809.3F153B0B@mail.backbonetechnology.com>


Every month we will select 5-10 questions and the publish Jen's answers in THE REAL STORY section!

Please only send us the question one time as we are receiving many questions daily.

Thank you again for visiting the official and authorized website of Jennifer Aniston.


Sincerely,

JenniferAniston.com Staff


From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:42:16 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:03:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308212042.h7LKg7C28391@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212042.h7LKg7C28391@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308212042.NAA27508@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From postmaster at Fedders.com  Wed Aug 20 20:43:35 2003
From: postmaster at Fedders.com (System Administrator)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:09:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undeliverable: Re: Wicked screensaver
Message-ID: <A3204CD1658B10498291B53AED81735C05F164@ef0exc000.fedders.com>

Your message

  To:      jan@eubankmfg.com
  Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
  Sent:    Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:09 -0500

did not reach the following recipient(s):

jan@eubankmfg.com on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:38:01 -0500
    The recipient name is not recognized
	The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a=
;p=fedders;l=EF0EXC0000308210038RJ797MBQ
    MSEXCH:IMS:Fedders:Effingham:EF0EXC000 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient


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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:55:12 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:10:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308212055.h7LKt7809322@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
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Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From MAILsweeper at itr1.co.uk  Wed Aug 20 22:14:59 2003
From: MAILsweeper at itr1.co.uk (MAILsweeper@itr1.co.uk)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:15:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Your details
Message-ID: <E19q1ye-0004hj-00@mail.python.org>

An email message that you sent on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:14:55 --0400 to data-audit@compfutures.com

with the subject of "Your details" has been automatically quarantined because it contains either text or an attachment that contravenes our IT policy on acceptable content.

Please review and resend the message if necessary.

If you need any help or clarification on this matter, please send an email to data-audit@compfutures.com



From MAILER-DAEMON at knecht.Neophilic.COM  Thu Aug 21 02:08:53 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at knecht.Neophilic.COM (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:25:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: see transcript for details
Message-ID: <200308210808.h7L88rsh018115@knecht.Neophilic.COM>

The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
from relay2.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.28]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/etc/bounce-sendmail-ucb"
    (reason: Insufficient permission)
    (expanded from: <sendmail-ucb@Sendmail.ORG>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Your e-mail to sendmail@CS.Berkeley.EDU has been rejected due to
ongoing abuse of this address by spammers.  If you want to contact
the sendmail support group, use sendmail@Sendmail.ORG.  If you are
not a spammer, please accept our apologies for this inconvenience.

If this is about a Berkeley-specific problem, you have used the wrong
address.  You should talk with your local system administrator or
use the sww-bug program.

550 5.0.0 "|/usr/local/etc/bounce-sendmail-ucb"... Insufficient permission
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From lists at webcrunchers.com  Tue Aug 19 22:29:29 2003
From: lists at webcrunchers.com (John D.)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:32:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] You guys should know about this...
Message-ID: <v031107c4bb68a9190634@[192.168.0.2]>

This may be off topic,  but pretty useful when doing IP filtering,  and for anti-spammers in general.

http://www.lurhq.com/sobig.html

if you report spam to ISP's you might want to give them this URL.  It will
help them eradicate the new spam trojan that just got released in the wild.

This should really workout the filters....  brace yourself...

John



From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 13:11:49 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:33:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Re: My details
In-Reply-To: <200308211911.h7LJBjC14198@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211911.h7LJBjC14198@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211911.MAA22867@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From elederer at miracomnetwork.com  Wed Aug 20 18:38:47 2003
From: elederer at miracomnetwork.com (Eddie Lederer)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:34:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Need Help
Message-ID: <C482167053ED7F48B0C82344C858FADF0331F5@miracom1.corp.miracomnetwork.com>

Hello,

 

I am running Windows XP SP1 with Outlook XP connecting to an Exchange
2000 server.  Using SpamBayes version 007.  It stopped working, I am
unable to click on any of the menu bar items.  The "Recover from Spam"
option no longer changes depending on the folder I am in.  Tried
un-installing it and the toolbar item is still there, but still doesn't
work.  Reinstalling didn't change anything.  I attached the log files.

 

This is really a great tool, can't tell you how much I have enjoyed
using it over the past week.

 

Thanx,

Eddie

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From uucp at ansto.gov.au  Thu Aug 21 11:27:19 2003
From: uucp at ansto.gov.au (uucp Admin)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:37:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Prohibited Mail Attachment
Message-ID: <200308210027.h7L0RJT14341@tachyon.gw.ansto.gov.au>

A file that may contain a virus or other undesireable content has been detected
by the mail system on the ANSTO firewall.

If the sender is attempting to send any of the following file types, please note
that the ANSTO Email System is configured to block those files:

*.ade, *.adp, *.asx, *.bas, *.bat, *.chm, *.cmd, *.com, *.cpl, *.crt, 
*.dll, *.eml, *.exe, *.hlp, *.hta, *.inf, *.ins, *.isp, *.js, *.jse, 
*.lnk, *.mdb, *.mde, *.mp1, *.mp2, *.mp3, *.mpa, *.mpe, *.mpeg, *.mpg, 
*.msc, *.msi, *.msp, *.mst, *.pcd, *.pif, *.reg, *.scr, *.sct, *.shs, 
*.url, *.vb, *.vbe, *.vbs, *.wmv, *.wsc, *.wsf, *.wsh

Please contact the sender for instructions on how they may receive the file via FTP.

Else, if you are confident that the email is virus free, business related, and
you want the mail released, then forward this entire email to
helpdesk@ansto.gov.au along with a short explanation and request for release.
Once released you should virus check, and take other relevant precautions
before accessing, or using the contents.

ANSTO employees should read:
        http://gort.ansto.gov.au/ansto-net/info/Email-restrictions.html
for further explanation.
Non ANSTO employees should contact their ANSTO colleague using simple text based
email (that is with no attachments) for further details.

The mail has been quarantined in:

/var/quarantine/mailchk/1980

and will be kept for a maximum of 30 days.

Skeleton of mail is as follows:

Content-type: multipart/mixed
Effective-type: multipart/mixed
Body-file: NONE
Subject: Your details
Num-parts: 2
--
    Content-type: text/plain
    Effective-type: text/plain
    Body-file: /var/tmp/14340/msg-14340-1.txt
    --
    Content-type: application/octet-stream
    Effective-type: application/octet-stream
    Body-file: /var/tmp/14340/your_document.pif
    Recommended-filename: your_document.pif
    --

Mail delivery options:

-f <spambayes@python.org> <frank@ansto.gov.au> 

Headers for the mail are as follows:

Received: from unknown(209.246.37.182) by tachyon.gw.ansto.gov.au via csmap (V6.0)
	id srcAAAtLai_B; Thu, 21 Aug 03 10:27:13 +1000
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <frank@ansto.gov.au>
Subject: Your details
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:27:12 --0400
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_012B4D08"

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 20 10:34:09 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:41:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for the time you save me.
In-Reply-To: <ABA0B91FD0E8D640A07C831F1A68B0140BFBB0@server.BASICBS.COM>
Message-ID: <2bb301c366aa$68b63170$f502a8c0@eden>

Thanks!

> 1. Under Define Filters, give me the ability to delete Certain Spam.

See the FAQ - http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html
 
> 2. Give me the ability to merge another SpamBayes db into my 
> db.  Myself
> & another user in our office use & appreciate SpamBayes.  A third user
> would like to use the program.  I don't want the new user to 
> go through
> the month or so of training.  I want to install SpamBayes on the third
> users computer & then merge my db into that new users db.

If you do this, that user will find SpamBayes much less effective, and will
wonder what you were talking about.  Specifically, it may also make serious
errors.

I'm not sure what you mean by the month or so of training - spambayes tends
to learn a bit quicker than that.  If you can get these users to collect
just a few days spam in a new folder ready for initial training, it should
be effective for them immediately.

Mark.
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From Viruschk at telegraph.co.uk  Wed Aug 20 23:03:31 2003
From: Viruschk at telegraph.co.uk (Viruschk@telegraph.co.uk)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:42:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308202103.h7KL3Vna014483@email-srv-b.telegraph.co.uk>

The mail message (file: movie0045.pif) you sent to tele@telegraph.co.uk contains a virus. (on email-srv-b)

From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 00:24:13 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:42:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308220324.XAC14433@rly-yb06.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:23:41 -0400 (EDT)
from rrcs-midsouth-24-199-158-166.biz.rr.com [24.199.158.166]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<vrmvrm12@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-yb04.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<vrmvrm12@aol.com>
<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
550 <vrmvrm12@aol.com>... User unknown
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From Steve at hahaha.com.au  Wed Aug 20 11:32:07 2003
From: Steve at hahaha.com.au (Steve Davis)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:42:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bounced email problem
Message-ID: <014c01c366b2$7ceaf290$0100a8c0@office>

Perhaps the solution to the resurgence of sobig bounces and to prevent
the list being spammed is to limit posts to email addresses that are
registerd.
 
All the best 
Steve Davis 

 
From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 00:24:13 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:43:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308220324.XAC14433@rly-yb06.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:23:41 -0400 (EDT)
from rrcs-midsouth-24-199-158-166.biz.rr.com [24.199.158.166]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<vrmvrm12@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-yb04.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<vrmvrm12@aol.com>
<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
550 <vrmvrm12@aol.com>... User unknown
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From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 00:32:28 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:47:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-ID: <200308220332.XAA04570@rly-xb03.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
from rrcs-midsouth-24-199-158-166.biz.rr.com [24.199.158.166]


*** ATTENTION ***

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<drmrbobdc@aol.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-xb02.mail.aol.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED - Unrepairable Virus Detected. Your mail has not been sent.
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From security at alpha.delta.edu  Wed Aug 20 22:02:19 2003
From: security at alpha.delta.edu (security@alpha.delta.edu)
Date: Fri Aug 22 10:53:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Detected by Network Associates,
	Inc. Webshield SMTP V4.5 MR1a
Message-ID: <Y8IH08O1E2SGRN00CW@mail.delta.edu>

This e-mail is for informational purposes only and may be deleted.  OIT has already
documented this information.  Delta College's WebShield has Deleted and Quarantined an
email from <spambayes@python.org> with subject Your details to
<jaroznow@alpha.delta.edu> .  

From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:19:30 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:00:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308212019.h7LKJN714855@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212019.h7LKJN714855@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308212019.NAA26339@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:25:13 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:00:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: That movie
In-Reply-To: <200308212025.h7LKP3718308@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212025.h7LKP3718308@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
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From postmaster at netapp.com  Wed Aug 20 22:46:42 2003
From: postmaster at netapp.com (postmaster@netapp.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:03:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308210446.h7L4kgSY015077@frejya.corp.netapp.com>

The mail message (file: movie0045.pif) you sent to <ackahn@corp.netapp.com> contains a virus. (on hawk)

From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 14:27:18 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:04:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your details
In-Reply-To: <200308212027.h7LKRD719671@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308212027.h7LKRD719671@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
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Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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========================================

From senk at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 20:40:48 2003
From: senk at earthlink.net (Stephen Enk)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:08:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Clicking on Spambayes Manager does nothing
Message-ID: <NEBBKBOMGLCCPNDFMPEJGEFKCNAA.senk@earthlink.net>

Have had Spambayes on for about 3 weeks and in the last couple of days, I
have noticed that I cannot get the Manager button to do anything.  Have
upgraded to the latest version, have uninstalled, reinstalled and nothing
makes a difference.  The Manager does appear to be functioning and all other
buttons are working.

I have attached the current log file which does seem to be calling out an
error.

 
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From jspitzer at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 14:54:40 2003
From: jspitzer at rochester.rr.com (John Spitzer)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:14:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot install Outlook plugin
Message-ID: <NHBBKEKBEEGOGDMEBNHFEEBDCEAA.jspitzer@rochester.rr.com>

I have tried to install the plugin on a Window 95 computer (don't know if that itself is the problem, but your web page does not say otherwise).

The install appears to unpack, but in the register phase I get the following error in reference to spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX DLLRegisterServer failed; code 0 x 80040201

I tried installing it in safe mode...same result.   Any ideas?

Thanks,

John Spitzer
From MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com  Wed Aug 20 12:01:41 2003
From: MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com (MESSAGE_SERVER)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:15:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Warning: Possible Virus Infection
Message-ID: <sf43552b.097@mail.mvnhealth.com>

This is an automatic message from the Guinevere 
Internet Antivirus Scanner. 
 
A message was received from you with a subject of  Re: Wicked screensaver 
The message was addressed to CMAHONEY.SLMHC.MVN@mvnhealth.com. 
 The message probably contains a virus. 
 
You will want to consult with your system administator on how 
to deal with this. 
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is
for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential
and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or
distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please
contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
message. Thank you.


From posting02 at mysign.ch  Thu Aug 21 12:11:12 2003
From: posting02 at mysign.ch (xPosting 02)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:18:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] uninstall 0.7 - registrykeys?
Message-ID: <7FB9130E9D9A0242B501FC7A89694D541E0087@exchangeserver.mysigndomain.corp>

hi

we tested the version of spambayes 0.7 (outlook 2000 plugin).
now we installed it on serveral machines and uninstalled it
one two others. one the ones we uninstalled it outlook 
has now after a few minutes a program exception and cloeses.
have you any idea what's going wrong here. the spambayes
menubar is still in the outlook. it seems that there are 
some registry keys still active and outlook is trying to
call spambayes which causes the exception. has anyone a list
of the registry keys which should be deleted?


cheerio from
mike

From ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Aug 20 21:44:05 2003
From: ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:23:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express Training
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F28A2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Thanks to Romain Guy, the cvs version of SpamBayes can now use Outlook
Express *.dbx files to train.

To do this you use the web interface.  There is a section that offers to let
you upload a file to train the database - click the browse button, locate a
suitable *.dbx file, and away you go.

(I don't know about the general case, but mine are located in "C:\Documents
and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{[whole
lot of hex rubbish]}\Microsoft\Outlook Express" (MS really don't want you to
find them!).  Some of these folders may be hidden by default.

If those that are interested could give this a go and let us know how it
goes, that would be great.  I believe you still have to wait up to 24 hours
before anonymous cvs access from sourceforge will let you at it.

=Tony Meyer


From gilles.hamel at elcobrandt.com  Thu Aug 21 13:57:28 2003
From: gilles.hamel at elcobrandt.com (Hamel Gilles - Brandt Appliances)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:29:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeDecodeError at outlook pluging loading
Message-ID: <EAB5A7F14952614899976219D600B363F1F393@sexctmce02.brandtcommerce.fr>

Hi  everybody,

I have tried the outlook plugin from the installer
SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe.

When i start my outlook 2000, the loading of spambayes module failed.

Here is my log file :

Error connecting to Outlook!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 248, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 519, in LoadConfig
  File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 6:
ordinal not in range(128)
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin\r\n\r\nPlease
re-start Outlook and try again.'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 248, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 519, in LoadConfig
  File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 6:
ordinal not in range(128)
SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook
Addin terminating: 0 COM client and 1 COM servers exist.


I have seen a numerous previous messages about this problem.
The Ascii code 0x8e map the char ?. 
In my directory profile (\Documents and settings\... ) , I have file and
directory names which contain the ? character.

The workaround is to install from source and modify the value of encoding
from "ascii" to "iso-8859-1" in \python2\lib\site.py.

I have no knowledge with python language.
Is locale environnement variables are ignored in site.py file ?

#encoding = "ascii" # Default value set by _PyUnicode_Init()
encoding = 'iso-8859-1' 

if 0:
    # Code never reach ????
    # Enable to support locale aware default string encodings.
    import locale
    loc = locale.getdefaultlocale()
    if loc[1]:
        encoding = loc[1]

So, setting the LANG variable has no effect...

Any idea ?






From mspinput at microsoft.com  Thu Aug 21 15:11:02 2003
From: mspinput at microsoft.com (Microsoft Press Input)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:33:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Press Technical Support (KMM136966V99904L0KM)
Message-ID: <SMARTHOSTpR3Z6cynbW0002619a@SMARTHOST.microsoft.com>

Microsoft Press Reader:

Thank you for contacting the Microsoft Press Technical Support Team. Your input is important to ensure that Microsoft Press books meet or exceed your expectations. New error reports, comments, and ideas will be researched and considered for future printings or editions of the appropriate title(s).

Please note: In an effort to reduce email volumes to our customers, we will only respond directly to messages not covered by the ADDITIONAL INFORMATION section found below.

You will find known book errors and corrections on the World Wide Web at:

  http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/support/

We appreciate the time you have taken to send your feedback to us. Thank you for your interest in Microsoft Press Products!

Sincerely,
The Microsoft Press Technical Support Team





ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
=====================

The following information answers some common questions about Microsoft Press books.

 - How do I find pre-sales or ordering information about a book?
 - How can I get a replacement for my damaged book?
 - How can I get a replacement for my damaged or lost CD-ROM?
 - Where can I find information on book errors and corrections?
 - Where can I get information about Microsoft certification exams?
 - Where can I get support for a Microsoft software product?


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-------------------------------------------------------------
For questions regarding the content of our products, or for information to help you select the books that best fit your needs, please visit the Microsoft Press Web site at:

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In the United States of America, you can also call Microsoft Press Sales at 1-800-MS-PRESS (1-800-677-7377). Outside the United States, please contact your local Microsoft Press distributor or subsidiary. A list of international distributors and subsidiaries is available at the following Microsoft Press Web site:

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How can I get a replacement for my damaged book?
------------------------------------------------
If your Microsoft Press book has missing, illegible, or improperly sequenced pages, you can exchange it by following this procedure:

1.  If you have NOT opened any CD-ROM or disk pack that came with the book, please exchange the book for a new copy at the store where it was purchased.

2.  If you HAVE opened the CD-ROM or disk pack, please ask the store where it was purchased if they will exchange it for you. If not, please call 1-800-MS-PRESS (1-800-677-7377) in the United States.  A Microsoft sales representative will assist you in ordering a replacement book. Please note that you will be asked to ship the original book to Microsoft Press.

Outside the United States, please contact your local Microsoft Press distributor for further information.  A list of Microsoft Press distributors and subsidiaries is available at the following Microsoft Press Web site:

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How can I get a replacement for my damaged CD-ROM?
----------------------------------------------------------
If your CD-ROM is clearly physically defective (cracked, badly warped, contains a deep scratch, etc.), you can exchange it for a replacement CD-ROM in the United States of America by calling Microsoft Press at 1-800-MS-PRESS (1-800-677-7377).

If you are outside the United States of America, please contact your local Microsoft Press distributor or subsidiary. For a list of distributors, please connect to the Microsoft Press Web site at:

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IMPORTANT: Replacing the CD-ROM will not solve any software related issues. Therefore, replacement should be considered only if the Setup program fails and if there are no other known problems posted on the Microsoft Press Technical Support Web site at:

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Unfortunately we currently cannot provide CD-ROM contents via the Web due to legal considerations. However, individual file patches are posted on the Internet when appropriate. Please refer to the Microsoft Press Technical Support Web site for further information.


Where can I find information on book errors and corrections?
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New comments or problem requests will be researched and considered for future reprints and editions. Corrections will be noted for future printings of the book and posted to the Knowledge Base.


Where can I get information about Microsoft certification exams?
----------------------------------------------------------------

For questions about Microsoft certification exams, including certification definitions, exam requirements, and exam preparation guides, please visit the Microsoft Training and Certification Web site at:

     http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/default.asp


Where can I get support for a Microsoft software product?
---------------------------------------------------------
For technical support information not related to a Microsoft Press product, please check the Microsoft Product Support Web site at:

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The Knowledge Base is a key technical support resource provided by the Microsoft Product Support Web site. You can also directly connect to the Knowledge Base at:

     http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;KBHOWTO

The Knowledge Base is also available to all customers through Microsoft TechNet and other sources.

For further information about accessing the Microsoft Knowledge Base or for a list of Microsoft Product Support phone numbers and other support resources, please visit:

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If you need replacement media for any Microsoft software, in the United States, please call 1-800-360-7561.

Outside the United States, for support information specific to your location please refer to the Microsoft Web site at:

     http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx

From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:04:44 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:34:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Re: My details
In-Reply-To: <200308211804.h7LI4fD12973@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211804.h7LI4fD12973@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211804.LAA19320@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

First time user:
Go to www.esight.com and register as a general user by clicking on “General Registration”.  Once registered you will need to register your warranty product(s) or your service contract(s), by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  If you have questions please read the following web site documents:  Registration Benefits, Registration FAQ’s
NOTE:  Once your warranty confirmation number or contract number is validated you will have access to Email Technical Support. Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. Please allow 24 hours for warranty and contract registration entitlements.

Already a registered user: 
Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

========================================
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========================================
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Technical Support:  (888)238-2763
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From richardjones at optushome.com.au  Wed Aug 20 11:58:58 2003
From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:34:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes Readme
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308201059.02790.richardjones@optushome.com.au>

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:38 pm, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > I suggest the following approach. Move the current README
> > aside and create a new one. It can just have the section
> > headings in there initially, then people can write sections
> > as they go. The current approach of hoping for
> > someone to come along and rewrite it all isn't working.
>
> That's probably right.  However, I couldn't be bothered creating
> appropriate headings, so I've created a new version.
>
> It's here at the moment:
> <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/readme.txt>
>
> Comments?  Or should I just check this in?  I'll create a
> "readme-devel.txt" file that has all the testing (etc) info that the old
> readme had.

That's a huge improvement for new users over the existing readme! Especially 
the Really Impatient part, which gives the immediate impression that the 
software is easy to use. Then the most common use-cases are laid out straight 
away in a clear and concise manner. I'm a little bemused by your having 
"everyone else" before "procmail filtering" though :)

No mention of setup.py ... is it supposed to be used at all? If it is, I 
suggest that the scripts be renamed to make them a little more SB-specific 
(eg. "sb-pop3proxy"), as on my system it installs them all to /usr/bin (as I 
used /usr/bin/python2.3 to install them).

Running pop3proxy.py, the first problem is that the webbrowser module is 
b0rken for me... I've posted a patch to Python bug 687747 which consists of:

--- webbrowser.py       2003-08-20 10:28:07.000000000 +1000
+++ /usr/lib/python2.3/webbrowser.py    2003-08-04 10:18:17.000000000 +1000
@@ -354,7 +354,7 @@
 if "BROWSER" in os.environ:
     # It's the user's responsibility to register handlers for any unknown
     # browser referenced by this value, before calling open().
-    _tryorder[0:0] = os.environ["BROWSER"].split(os.pathsep)
+    _tryorder = os.environ["BROWSER"].split(os.pathsep)

 for cmd in _tryorder:
     if not cmd.lower() in _browsers:

[might be useful for your later reference if the problem pops up]

After I fixed that, the web interface came up nicely. I then tried to set up a 
proxy for my main email account. I stupidly put in "110" as the port number 
(having not read the instructions fully, I thought I a was entering the port 
number for the target pop server, not the local port), and promptly got an 
error and a whole slew of output to the console pop3proxy was running in 
consisting of a constant stream of:

warning: unhandled read event
warning: unhandled write event

Ehem. So, I need to choose a port number above 1024 there :)


In response to Skip's question, I'm running KMail to two POP servers and one 
IMAP server (I also use the OSX Mail.app to read the IMAP box). I now know 
that setting up the spambayes for the POP server will be a breeze. The IMAP 
box is already spam-filtered (poorly) by Mail.app. Getting the POP accounts 
spam-filtered will be a big win for now.

Also on this note, I've previously used spamassasin through kmail's filtering 
(invoking the command-line tool from a filter). I think that the procmail 
setup could be adapted to do this, but training is an issue.

BTW, I don't even know what format my mail is stored in by KMail (I suggest 
that a lot of users wouldn't know this :). I do know it's not mailbox format. 
It looks like a directory per folder, with "cur", "new" and "tmp" for each, 
and then a file per message. *shrug*

Also, I had a look in the FAQ, but I couldn't see any reference to starting 
spambayes on boot-time. Has any work been done on some sort of rc script?


   Richard
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From kbussey at onrite.com  Thu Aug 21 11:28:17 2003
From: kbussey at onrite.com (Kia Bussey)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:52:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with install
Message-ID: <HOEDKJCKIOPICMOECGJNMEFECNAA.kbussey@onrite.com>

I am having a problem installing the outlook plug-in (version .7) on one of
my pc's in the office. This user has the Franklin-Covey PlanPlus program
installed and it does a customization of the Outlook interface and changes
the look and layout. The spam bay toolbars are displayed however, I cannot
when I click on the spam bayes drop down to open the manager and other parts
of the program accessible from the drop-down, the drop down does not appear.
Attached is the log file from the install which was performed on a Windows
2000 (service pack4) pc running Outlook 2000 (service pack 2). I'm wondering
if its possible that the Franklin covey program is conflicting? Please
respond to this email to the following address netadmin@onrite.com since I
am sending this from the users machine and they won't know what to to with a
repsonse. Thank you for your time and assistance

Brian Colvin
Network Administrator
On Rite Gemtress Company
netadmin@onrite.com

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:02:43 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:55:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308211802.h7LI2Y702450@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211802.h7LI2Y702450@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211802.LAA19203@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

First time user:
Go to www.esight.com and register as a general user by clicking on “General Registration”.  Once registered you will need to register your warranty product(s) or your service contract(s), by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  If you have questions please read the following web site documents:  Registration Benefits, Registration FAQ’s
NOTE:  Once your warranty confirmation number or contract number is validated you will have access to Email Technical Support. Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. Please allow 24 hours for warranty and contract registration entitlements.

Already a registered user: 
Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

========================================
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========================================
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:01:21 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 11:58:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308211801.h7LI1I701799@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211801.h7LI1I701799@ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211801.LAA19119@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

First time user:
Go to www.esight.com and register as a general user by clicking on “General Registration”.  Once registered you will need to register your warranty product(s) or your service contract(s), by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  If you have questions please read the following web site documents:  Registration Benefits, Registration FAQ’s
NOTE:  Once your warranty confirmation number or contract number is validated you will have access to Email Technical Support. Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. Please allow 24 hours for warranty and contract registration entitlements.

Already a registered user: 
Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

========================================
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========================================
Presales Support:  (800)272-3634, Extension 76565
Technical Support:  (888)238-2763
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From postmaster at cvtelecom.cv  Wed Aug 20 05:35:30 2003
From: postmaster at cvtelecom.cv (postmaster@cvtelecom.cv)
Date: Fri Aug 22 13:35:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery failure (paolo@cvtelecom.cv)
Message-ID: <B0013341168@services.cvtelecom.cv>

Your message has encountered delivery problems
to the following recipient(s):

nni06028
(Was addressed to paolo@cvtelecom.cv)
Delivery failed
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From postmaster at cvtelecom.cv  Wed Aug 20 01:55:13 2003
From: postmaster at cvtelecom.cv (postmaster@cvtelecom.cv)
Date: Fri Aug 22 13:36:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery failure (paolo@cvtelecom.cv)
Message-ID: <B0013336489@services.cvtelecom.cv>

Your message has encountered delivery problems
to the following recipient(s):

nni06028
(Was addressed to paolo@cvtelecom.cv)
Delivery failed
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From postmaster at cvtelecom.cv  Wed Aug 20 05:22:55 2003
From: postmaster at cvtelecom.cv (postmaster@cvtelecom.cv)
Date: Fri Aug 22 13:37:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery failure (cslinesv@cvtelecom.cv)
Message-ID: <B0013340377@services.cvtelecom.cv>

Your message has encountered delivery problems
to the following recipient(s):

nni00420
(Was addressed to cslinesv@cvtelecom.cv)
Delivery failed
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From postmaster at cvtelecom.cv  Wed Aug 20 03:51:06 2003
From: postmaster at cvtelecom.cv (postmaster@cvtelecom.cv)
Date: Fri Aug 22 13:37:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery failure (cslinesv@cvtelecom.cv)
Message-ID: <B0013337719@services.cvtelecom.cv>

Your message has encountered delivery problems
to the following recipient(s):

nni00420
(Was addressed to cslinesv@cvtelecom.cv)
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From parker at parkerfleming.com  Thu Aug 21 10:23:45 2003
From: parker at parkerfleming.com (Parker)
Date: Fri Aug 22 13:54:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes problem
Message-ID: <000501c367ef$d51d2e90$220110ac@KUNDERA>

Hello,
 
I have been using spambayes with great results for a few weeks now. Very
pleased!
 
However this morning when I tried to "Train" it again, something appears
to be wrong with the pluggin.
 
When I click on the drop down in the toolbar labeled "SpamBayes" nothing
happens! When I select an email and click on the "Delete as Spam"
button, an alert pops up that says "You must enable SpamBayes before you
can delete as spam."
 
I tried to run the installed from the python.org website, but the
problem still persists.
 
I am running windows 2000 professional and Office XP.
 
Let me know if you have any ideas what could be wrong!
 
Thank you,
 
~ Parker
From postmaster at parthusceva.com  Fri Aug 22 07:31:57 2003
From: postmaster at parthusceva.com (System Anti-Virus Administrator)
Date: Fri Aug 22 14:00:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] virus found in sent message "Thank you!"
Message-ID: <dublin3106147621642412307@dublin3>


Attention: spambayes@python.org


A virus was found in an Email message you sent. 
This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message
reaching its destination. 

The virus was reported to be: 

 the W32/Sobig.f@MM virus !!!


Please update your virus scanner or contact your IT support 
personnel as soon as possible as you have a virus on your system.


Your message was sent with the following envelope:

MAIL FROM: spambayes@python.org
RCPT TO:   info@parthusceva.com 

... and with the following headers:

---
MAILFROM: spambayes@python.org
Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost3.parthus.com) (62.221.5.3)
  by dublin3.dublin.parthusceva.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 14:30:09 -0000
Received: (qmail 18430 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 14:27:13 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO SAFADEVELOPMENT) (209.246.37.182)
  by ns.parthus.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 14:27:13 -0000
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <info@parthusceva.com>
Subject: Thank you!
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:31:41 --0400
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_04306F94"


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From postmaster at ascend.com  Thu Aug 21 12:44:05 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 14:19:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your details
In-Reply-To: <200308211844.h7LIhw825527@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308211844.h7LIhw825527@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308211844.LAA21491@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

First time user:
Go to www.esight.com and register as a general user by clicking on “General Registration”.  Once registered you will need to register your warranty product(s) or your service contract(s), by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  If you have questions please read the following web site documents:  Registration Benefits, Registration FAQ’s
NOTE:  Once your warranty confirmation number or contract number is validated you will have access to Email Technical Support. Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. Please allow 24 hours for warranty and contract registration entitlements.

Already a registered user: 
Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

========================================
Lucent Worldwide Services
========================================
Presales Support:  (800)272-3634, Extension 76565
Technical Support:  (888)238-2763
eSight Service Center:  www.esight.com
========================================

From MAILER-DAEMON at ida.host4u.net  Thu Aug 21 17:57:52 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at ida.host4u.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 14:47:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: see transcript for details
Message-ID: <200308212157.h7LLvqR23731@ida.host4u.net>

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From Phil.Pierotti at softhome.net  Fri Aug 22 17:33:37 2003
From: Phil.Pierotti at softhome.net (Phil Pierotti)
Date: Fri Aug 22 15:13:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] not showing mail to train on?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822161859.00b63068@localhost>

OS: Windows XP, latest patches
SpamBayes V 1.04a
Method: Eudora through Pop3 Proxy

SpamBayes working fine, tagging mails as required.
I have configured detailed pop3proxy logging and I see my Eudora POPing 
through the proxy.

I am *not* seeing emails through the web interface to train on. (ie in 
"Review Messages")
Initially, it did work (at least once).
Then I found I'd need to do the "magic". (ie go to the config page, save 
without making changes, and *then* go into "review messages")

Now even that workaround is not working-around.

Thanks,
Phil P



From daniel at sokolov.eu.org  Wed Aug 20 02:06:26 2003
From: daniel at sokolov.eu.org (Daniel AJ Sokolov)
Date: Fri Aug 22 15:14:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which Servers are needed by SpamBayes?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D9253D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <EHEDKEIGILOHBBEPNMGJGEJFEDAA.daniel@sokolov.eu.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:38 AM
> To: Daniel AJ Sokolov; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Which Servers are needed by SpamBayes?
>
>
> > I have just installed the Outlook2000-Plugin 0.7 on a Windows
> > XP  SP1 system that is protected by a software firewall. I
> > would like to use the "Chek for Update"-Function.
> >
> > For that I have to change the settings of the firewall, in
> > order to enable Outlook to contact the update information server.
> >
> > However, as SpamBayes is trying contact a different server
> > every time, I can't.
>
> SpamBayes should only be connecting to one page:
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download/Version.cfg.  How sf manages
> connections I don't know, but you should be able to allow connections to
> that single address and it should work.

Hi,

thakn you for that answer, but sadly it's not true.

I have allowed access to tha stated URL and sometimes it works. But for
isntant right now it tries to connect to a DNS at "temloeh.chem.uu.nl" and
to a destination IP 131.211.154.162 at port 80 when I "check for update".
These two connection are not allowed by my firewall.

I don't know what was at these servers at some time. Now, both the IP at
port 80 and the URL al port 80 lead to the server with the IP of
194.109.77.151. There, I see a website telling me that "Bruker Nonius'
webpages are now accessible at www.bruker-axs.com." At that Site X-Ray
Solution are offered.

It doesn't make sende for me.
Please let me hear your opinions. I tried "ckec for update" several times
and the behaviour is the same (with this session of Outlook - if I reboot it
may be different again).

Best
Daniel AJ



From blackhole at mail2.bock.com  Wed Aug 20 12:58:21 2003
From: blackhole at mail2.bock.com (blackhole@mail2.bock.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 15:16:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] VIRUS IN YOUR MAIL
Message-ID: <200308201558.h7KFwLo04260@mail2.bock.com>

                           V I R U S  A L E R T

Our viruschecker found the

	W32/Sobig.f@MM

virus(es) in your email to the following recipient(s):

-> isis_jeank

Please check your system for viruses, or ask your system administrator
to do so.

Please keep in mind that some viruses may send themselves and use your 
email address as the "from" address.  This may be the case and if you're 
sure you do not have any viruses we're sorry to bother you.  Consider this a 
friendly reminder to check that your anti-virus software is up to date, 
it's a good thing to do every so often.

 

For your reference, here are the headers from your email:

------------------------- BEGIN HEADERS -----------------------------
Return-Path: <SpamBayes@python.org>
Received: from DKLAMM (mail.tbgfs.com [12.152.250.82])
	by mail2.bock.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7KFwC404230
	for <jean@isisforwomen.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:58:13 -0400
Message-Id: <200308201558.h7KFwC404230@mail2.bock.com>
From: <SpamBayes@python.org>
To: <jean@isisforwomen.com>
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:00:04 --0400
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_00DB49F0"
-------------------------- END HEADERS ------------------------------


From Postmaster at xtra.co.nz  Thu Aug 21 23:57:07 2003
From: Postmaster at xtra.co.nz (Mail Administrator)
Date: Fri Aug 22 15:23:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Message-ID: <20030821105707.LMSY1184.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta201-rme>

This is a system generated message. Please DO NOT REPLY.

Your message was not delivered for the following reason:

The following destination addresses were unknown (please check the
addresses and re-mail the message):

<businessmatters1@xtra.co.nz>

For more information on why this message wasn't delivered, and an explanation of other common mail delivery errors, visit our Web site at:

http://xtra.co.nz/maildelivery

Kind regards.

The Xtra Messaging Team
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From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Fri Aug 22 17:36:53 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Fri Aug 22 15:24:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Seeking Peer Review - Spamish Inquisition
Message-ID: <1061527013.1207.19.camel@rebirth>

Hi,

I am now inviting code reviews for Spamish Inquisition, with a view to
evolving it into a release-quality package.

<quick_recap>
Spamish Inquisition (formerly named mtaproxy) is an SMTP server that is
intended to replace the SMTP server on small networks.

Sourceforge registration pending - interim website is:
http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/spamishinquisition

Spamish Inquisition performs verious spam checks in real time, during
the incoming SMTP session, and if the message is determined to be spam
(via SpamBayes classification, or remote host appearing on RBLs, or
remote host attempting to use Spamish Inquisition as a relay), it takes
countermeasures.

When emails are ruled legitimate, Spamish Inquisition invokes your
preferred MTA (Exim, qmail, sendmail etc) 'inetd-style', and passes on
the message for delivery.

The anti-spam countermeasures consist of sending back incomplete SMTP
response lines, to tie up the incoming SMTP connection for any desired
length of time. Also, archiving the offending spams, and invoking a
user-definable function.
</quick_recap>

Thanks to advice and code snippets from you folks on this list, SpamInq
is now fully integrated into SpamBayes as an add-on module, able to
instigate the filtering, uploading and web interface launching via
python linkage, without needing the external shell to launch the scripts
separately.

If your curiosity grabs you, and if you're willing to give some
constructive feedback to help SpamInq attain release quality, please
click on the link (scroll up), download it and put it through its paces.

Status - I've had it working live on my server box for several days, and
find it now to be looking pretty robust.

-- 
Cheers
David


From MAILER-DAEMON at HotPOP.com  Tue Aug 19 22:55:34 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at HotPOP.com (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:05:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Message-ID: <20030819215534.080976365FF@twix.hotpop.com>

Undeliverable Address: ellen25@hotpop.com

Reason: The email address specified above has
been closed for violating rules regarding unsolicited bulk email.


System Contact: abuse@HotPOP.com


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From no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com  Thu Aug 21 15:14:03 2003
From: no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (no-reply@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:12:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308211914.h7LJE2p24827@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>

The e-mail message (file: movie0045.pif) you sent to <support@ascend.com> contains a virus (WORM_SOBIG.F).

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 20 17:17:22 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:17:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integrating Spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDA212@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[notesfilter.py]
> Thanks for the hint, why isn't it mentioned on the webpage ?

I'm not sure (I'll correct that).  Probably because so few people use it
(or have asked for it), and because it is a bit rough still.

> My goal is to have a tool for the normal end-user with a 
> setup (like the outlook-plugin). I think it's a little bit 
> tricky to train and filter via command-line for normal 
> end-users and my python knowledge is far far away from being 
> able to code GUI-Parts.

I agree that for general users the ideal is something without using the
command line at all.  The POP3 proxy comes close to this (assuming that
an installer ran the service script) on Windows, although there's still
a bit of effort required to set it up.  The IMAP and Notes filters could
probably also do this, although I don't know enough about services to be
sure.  I can see it happening at some point, though.

Anyway, good luck for your plug-in.  If you do get it going (and release
it), feel free to let us know so that we can link to it on our 'related
projects' page.

=Tony Meyer

From auto-filter at xtra.co.nz  Fri Aug 22 00:07:55 2003
From: auto-filter at xtra.co.nz (auto-filter@xtra.co.nz)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:17:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <20030821110755.FAMJ1211.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@localhost>

An attachment called (WORM_SOBIG.F) in an email that appears
to have been sent from your email address to (businessmatters1@xtra.co.nz)
contained the virus (WORM_SOBIG.F), which has been deleted.

If you do not believe you were the actual sender, the Klez virus is
likely to be the culprit. The Klez virus works by forging the 'From'
address inside the virus infected email, which means you can receive a
virus alert from Xtra even if you are not necessarily the actual sender.

Information on Xtra's anti-virus email filter:
http://xtra.co.nz/anti-virus

More on the Klez virus:
http://xtra.co.nz/help/0,,6156-1347943,00.html

Help with filtering anti-virus email alerts from Xtra:
http://xtra.co.nz/help/0,,6156-1656774,00.html

Help with removing a virus from your computer:
http://xtra.co.nz/help/0,,4128-544089,00.html

If you have any other questions, please forward this email along with
your enquiry to anti-virus@xtra.co.nz

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 20 16:43:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:19:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDA1DA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I used the following prob formula:
> prob = spamratio / (hamratio + spamratio)
>   where: (spamratio = spamcount / nspam;   hamratio = hamcount / nham)

The rest of it (this is the Bayesian bit, from what I understand) is:
        prob = (StimesX + n * prob) / (S + n)
  where n = hamcount + spamcount (excluding the possible imbalance
adjustment)
        S is the strength of a word that the classifier hasn't come
across before (default 0.45)
        StimeX is S times the (estimated) probability that the
classifier hasn't seen a word (default 0.5)

Once you have all the probabilities, they are then combined into a
message score using either the chi squared function or the 'gary
combining' function.

=Tony Meyer

From Rainer.Rennert at bi-log.de  Fri Aug 22 11:08:04 2003
From: Rainer.Rennert at bi-log.de (Rennert Rainer)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:19:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cant register spambayes_addin.dll 
Message-ID: <69C8EF919EE3D311814700508B8BBECE01571A57@BAMAIL>

I have outlook xp and SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe
I also tried to register manually in the dos box 

 <<Unbenannt.JPG>> 

> Rainer Rennert
> BI-LOG AG 
> IT System Entwicklung
> 
> Tel.   0951/6050-290
> FAX. 0951/6050-195 
> 
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Date: Fri Aug 22 16:27:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure notice
Message-ID: <E19q7Le-0001Gc-00@mail.python.org>

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.mediaways.net.
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From richardjones at optushome.com.au  Wed Aug 20 12:54:07 2003
From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:29:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes Readme
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92E21@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92E21@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308201154.07329.richardjones@optushome.com.au>

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:28 am, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> BTW, there was a suggestion a while back (from Skip) that we adopt the
> format that ssh uses for port forwarding: "remote host:remote port:local
> port".  For example: "pop.example.com:110:110".  Do you think this would
> be any clearer?

I think it would be. Note that there's a large number of people out there that 
won't know that POP is normally on port 110 :)

Why not just arbitrarily assign a port number if the user doesn't supply one? 
The roundup demo script does this as a means of making things easier on the 
end user via this code:

    # figure basic params for server
    hostname = socket.gethostname()
    # pick a fairly odd, random port
    port = 8917
    while 1:
        print 'Trying to set up web server on port %d ...'%port,
        s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
        s.setsockopt(socket.SOL_SOCKET, socket.SO_REUSEADDR, 1)
        try:
            s.connect((hostname, port))
        except socket.error, e:
            if not hasattr(e, 'args') or e.args[0] != errno.ECONNREFUSED:
                raise
            print 'should be ok.'
            break
        else:
            s.close()
            print 'already in use.'
            port += 100


> I haven't heard much about how well Mail.app filters.  Is it really that
> bad?

The filtering is fine - the spam detection isn't so crash-hot (from what 
people have told me - I don't get much spam at that address). The interface 
*rocks* though ... for a given message, there's a button with which you can 
simply say "this is spam" or "you marked this as spam and got it wrong". No 
idea what sort of scheme they're using under the covers. I'm assuming the 
outlook interface is like that. Unless KMail includes spambayes by default 
(oooh!) it's unlikely to get that level of integration.


   Richard
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From Support at nraonline.com  Wed Aug 20 17:28:42 2003
From: Support at nraonline.com (Support@nraonline.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:39:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Autoreply: Your details
Message-ID: <B0001353655@apec11.apecisp.com>

Dear Valued NRA Online Customer;

Thank you for writing the NRA Online ISP support team.  We have received your email and would like to offer the following information to better assist you with your time online with us.

You can view and change your account information, change your payment information (updating credit card number, expiration date, etc.), add, change or delete secondary email accounts, and view tutorials to assist you with troubleshooting some basic configuration issues by going to:

http://members.nraonline.com  and then logging in with your username and password.  

To view the latest list of access numbers available in your calling area, please go to 

http://portal.nraonline.com/pop/findPOPS.asp.

Below are some helpful settings reminders to assist you further:

Authentication Login- Connecting to the internet
(Use this format if you are using dialup networking/network connection instead of the NRA Online software)

Username:  yourusernamehere.nraonline@ispdial.org
Password:  Your account password 

NOTE:  Usernames and passwords are case sensitive. If you have a username that has capital letters, you will need to use the exact same username as you created it.


If you are using the NRA Internet Dialer Software, the username format is:

yourusernamehere (the name that you selected for your username when you signed up ONLY).

NOTE: The latest NRA Online Software can be downloaded by going to http://join.nraonline.com and then by clicking on the DOWNLOAD ACCESS SOFTWARE link.

Email Login 
Username:  yourusernamehere@nraonline.com  (your full email address)
Password:  your account password

Web Mail Login Site:  http://mail.nraonline.com

(POP) Incoming Mail Server:  mail.nraonline.com
(SMTP) Outgoing Mail Server:  mail.nraonline.com

NOTE:  If you are using email client software such as Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, or Netscape Mail to send and receive messages:  the following setting needs to be activated to successfully send messages:

(SMTP) Outgoing Server Requires Authentication.  The username and password are the same as your incoming server.  These settings are located in the ACCOUNTS or EMAIL ACCOUNTS settings Options (there is a tabbed page for SERVER settings) in your email client software.

As well, relaying of mail messages by setting up different incoming and outgoing mail server settings is not allowed.  Example: Incoming Mail Server:  mail.nraonline.com  / Outgoing Mail Server:  mail.adifferentmailserver.com

If you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact at the below numbers for further assistance:

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From gazelle at seatcovers.net  Tue Aug 19 16:44:05 2003
From: gazelle at seatcovers.net (gazelle@seatcovers.net)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:47:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: That movie
In-Reply-To: <200308191943.h7JJhdFQ032300@host4.name-serve.net>
References: <200308191943.h7JJhdFQ032300@host4.name-serve.net>
Message-ID: <200308191944.h7JJi5Oh032449@host4.name-serve.net>

This is an autoresponder. I'll never see your message.

From postmaster at Workgroup.co.za  Fri Aug 22 10:34:11 2003
From: postmaster at Workgroup.co.za (System Administrator)
Date: Fri Aug 22 16:51:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undeliverable: Re: Details
Message-ID: <7D5B50DE7B6EBB42BED3987730B43A96342298@exchangesrv.workgroup.co.za>

Your message

  To:      Blizzard@workgroup.co.za
  Subject: Re: Details
  Sent:    Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:29:21 +0200

did not reach the following recipient(s):

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    The recipient name is not recognized
	The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a=
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From richardjones at optushome.com.au  Wed Aug 20 16:02:23 2003
From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:02:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web interface problems
Message-ID: <200308201502.27543.richardjones@optushome.com.au>

I'm using the pop3proxy script to proxy two POP3 accounts. Initially I was 
getting the error in my last post, but then I nuked the dir with the database 
&c. and started again. Now I get email through with 
"X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure", which is good, but I can't see them 
through the web. The "unknown" cache as copies of the messages, but they're 
not visible in either the message counts on the "home" page or in the 
"review" page. The " POP3 conversations this session" counter is 0 too.

If this should be treated as a bug report, I'd be happy to be smacked down and 
file one.


   Richard
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 20 14:28:05 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:08:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes Readme
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92E21@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> That's a huge improvement for new users over the existing 
> readme!

It really is only a reordering of INTEGRATION.TXT for the most part.
(The IMAP stuff being an exception, which is my fault anyway).

> I'm a little bemused by your having 
> "everyone else" before "procmail filtering" though :)

That's an area that needs improvement.  The thing is that the "everyone
else" section applies to procmail (and vi/emacs later on) users.  I'm
not sure where the information can really go, without duplicating it in
each section.  I'll integrate Peter's procmail steps and see if that
helps.

> No mention of setup.py ... is it supposed to be used at all? 

Opps.  I don't use it, so forgot about it.  Yes, there should be an
"installation" action before anything else, although it's not strictly
necessary.

> If it is, I suggest that the scripts be renamed to make them a
> little more SB-specific (eg. "sb-pop3proxy"), as on my system
> it installs them all to /usr/bin (as I used /usr/bin/python2.3
> to install them).

This was suggested and debated not all that long ago on the -dev list.
IIRC, there was enough agreement that this probably will
happen...possibly by the next release (better sooner than later, I
suppose).  It's an annoying task, though, because you have to go through
*everything* and make sure that you've corrected all the names...

> Running pop3proxy.py, the first problem is that the 
> webbrowser module is broken for me...
[...]
> [might be useful for your later reference if the problem pops up]

Thanks.

> After I fixed that, the web interface came up nicely. I then 
> tried to set up a proxy for my main email account. I stupidly
> put in "110" as the port number (having not read the instructions
> fully, I thought I a was entering the port number for the target
> pop server, not the local port), and promptly got an error and
> a whole slew of output to the console pop3proxy was running in 
> consisting of a constant stream of:
> 
> warning: unhandled read event
> warning: unhandled write event
> 
> Ehem. So, I need to choose a port number above 1024 there :)

This isn't a restriction for everyone, of course.  Windows users are
able to use 110 as the port without needing to be logged in as
administrator or anything.  There should be a note about this, though.
It could probably handle the error more nicely, too.

BTW, there was a suggestion a while back (from Skip) that we adopt the
format that ssh uses for port forwarding: "remote host:remote port:local
port".  For example: "pop.example.com:110:110".  Do you think this would
be any clearer?

> The IMAP box is already spam-filtered (poorly) by Mail.app.

I haven't heard much about how well Mail.app filters.  Is it really that
bad?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 20 12:38:19 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:13:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for the time you save me.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92D83@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> As I recall, one of the Spambayesians mentioned a few weeks 
> ago that you can, in fact, copy an Outlook user's Spambayes 
> configuration, including the db, to another user and it 
> should work. The assertion included some squishy wording to 
> the effect that some files might have to be recreated, so I  
> haven't had the guts to try it yet. I'd like it if somebody 
> could publish a clear description of just what you have to do.

Something like FAQ 3.7, perhaps?

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my-training-
data-from-one-computer-to-another>

As it says, you probably don't want to copy the configuration, since
it's unlikely to have anything of use.  The setup shouldn't take long
anyway - just select the folders (and that information couldn't be
copied), and you should be ready to go.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 20 12:35:05 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:13:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92D7C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> What i meant exactly is, how could is extract this kind of 
> table information
> (or something similar):
> 
> word       spamprob           #ham         #spam
[...]

If you use the dbExpImp script, you can export your database to a '`'
separated text file.  It's then easy to open it in Excel or whatever,
and take a look at the results.  If you run "dbExpImp.py -h" it gives
examples about how to go about doing this.  Note that this won't include
the prob, just the counts (but you could calculate the prob yourself).

> I just got the above table from another spambayes discussion 
> somewhere else.

Probably from someone using the Outlook plug-in.  The plug-in has the
ability to display a table like this for any particular message,
displaying the tokens for that message.  You can do something similar
with the web interface used for pop3proxy and the imap filter, either
using the "classify message" action on the front page, or (for
pop3proxy) clicking on a "show clues" link on the review page.

> The way i understand it, the hammie.db stores this type of 
> information?  Am not so sure about this.

That is correct (although not the probability, just the individual
counts and a total count - the probability is calculated on the fly).

=Tony Meyer

From splash921 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 04:36:36 2003
From: splash921 at hotmail.com (splash921@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:19:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Approved
Message-ID: <E19q9Hf-0000I2-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From listserv at lists.netspace.org  Fri Aug 22 04:47:55 2003
From: listserv at lists.netspace.org (listserv@lists.netspace.org)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:22:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19q9Sd-0007kh-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From myUserName at allaire.com  Fri Aug 22 04:49:15 2003
From: myUserName at allaire.com (myUserName@allaire.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:23:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your application
Message-ID: <E19q9Tu-0007vh-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From austria at msdirectservices.com  Fri Aug 22 04:50:53 2003
From: austria at msdirectservices.com (austria@msdirectservices.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:24:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
Message-ID: <E19q9VU-00089j-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 07:55:10 2003
From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:26:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200308221055.GAI10884@rly-xj06.mx.aol.com>

The original message was received at Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
from rrcs-midsouth-24-199-158-166.biz.rr.com [24.199.158.166]


*** ATTENTION ***

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The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



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From support at flamingpear.com  Fri Aug 22 05:00:53 2003
From: support at flamingpear.com (support@flamingpear.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:26:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Approved
Message-ID: <E19q9fB-0006n2-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From david.vantine at creatcomp.com  Wed Aug 20 16:11:54 2003
From: david.vantine at creatcomp.com (Dave Vantine)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:27:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delay after Delete as Spam hit
Message-ID: <8ED5B34FD24191479BA841B9C1767F033F5602@challenger.creatcomp.com>

When I click highlight and item and click Delete, if I wait for the item to
move to the Spam folder it takes a long time. If I simply highlight another
email it immediately moves (or at least seems to. What gives with this?


From info at alienconnections.com  Fri Aug 22 05:02:35 2003
From: info at alienconnections.com (info@alienconnections.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:27:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
Message-ID: <E19q9go-0007YI-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From PzDYwqGCm0 at lycos.com  Fri Aug 22 04:59:30 2003
From: PzDYwqGCm0 at lycos.com (PzDYwqGCm0@lycos.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:27:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
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Date: Fri Aug 22 17:28:12 2003
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From: HLohner at aol.com (HLohner@aol.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:28:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
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Date: Fri Aug 22 17:33:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undeliverable Mail
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Subject: Thank you!
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From channelsales at acdnet.com  Fri Aug 22 05:21:57 2003
From: channelsales at acdnet.com (channelsales@acdnet.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:35:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Re: My details
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Please see the attached file for details.
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Date: Fri Aug 22 17:37:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
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Please see the attached file for details.
From channelsales at acdnet.com  Fri Aug 22 05:26:59 2003
From: channelsales at acdnet.com (channelsales@acdnet.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:38:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Wicked screensaver
Message-ID: <E19qA4Q-0003sg-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
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From: info at panda.co.jp (info@panda.co.jp)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:38:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
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Please see the attached file for details.
From cassiek at kinkos.com  Fri Aug 22 06:30:54 2003
From: cassiek at kinkos.com (cassiek@kinkos.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:39:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Wicked screensaver
Message-ID: <E19qA9x-0007s6-00@mail.python.org>

Please see the attached file for details.
From HLohner at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 05:34:07 2003
From: HLohner at aol.com (HLohner@aol.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:40:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19qABJ-00020L-00@mail.python.org>

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Date: Fri Aug 22 17:40:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19qACj-0003Yt-00@mail.python.org>

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Subject: [Spambayes] Returned mail: Over quota
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From sub_christine at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 06:39:54 2003
From: sub_christine at hotmail.com (sub_christine@hotmail.com)
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Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
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From autoreply at alienconnections.com  Fri Aug 22 13:38:50 2003
From: autoreply at alienconnections.com (autoreply@alienconnections.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:42:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Address (bugreport@alienconnections.com) has changed!
Message-ID: <200308221038.h7MAcoqk020235@mail.alienconnections.com>


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The email (Re: Re: My details) has NOT been read 
and you should re-send using the new address found at our web site:

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From mailer-daemon at groups.msn.com  Fri Aug 22 05:05:22 2003
From: mailer-daemon at groups.msn.com (mailer-daemon@groups.msn.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:51:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your e-mail to MSN8HelpTeam@groups.msn.com cannot be
	delivered
Message-ID: <TK2DCPUBA01A8JB0ipO0001a534@p01.groups.msn.com>

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From mailer-daemon at groups.msn.com  Fri Aug 22 05:23:32 2003
From: mailer-daemon at groups.msn.com (mailer-daemon@groups.msn.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:52:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Ihr E-Mail an MSN8HelpTeam@groups.msn.com kann nicht
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Message-ID: <TK2DCPUBA019Fekzabt0001ae45@p01.groups.msn.com>

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From bschrage at web.de  Fri Aug 22 15:41:40 2003
From: bschrage at web.de (Burkhard Schrage)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:55:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Outlook Rules Wizard
Message-ID: <000001c368b3$1e6ed300$6501a8c0@oxygeniolap1>

Hello,
 
I have been using the Outlook rules wizard in order to move spam directly to
the "deleted mail" folder.  I was wondering whether Spambayes has a "look"
at my inbox before or after Outlook applies the rules.  If it were true that
Spambayes looks at my inbox after Outlook applies the rules, it might be
better to switch the rules off, or?
 
Config: Outlook 2002 (SP2), Win XP Pro (SP1).
 
Many thanks for bringing us such a smart program.
 
Best,
 
Dr. Burkhard Schrage
 
From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri Aug 22 23:46:18 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:55:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] enquiry 
In-Reply-To: <1061368625.12760.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
Message-ID: <200308221246.h7MCkJNd031770@localhost.localdomain>


>>> damian wrote
> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry, wondering if the first mail get thru. Cause, I didn't receive one
> myself.

mail.python.org has been suffered extremely high levels of load (stupid
windows and it's stupid worms) so it's quite possible that email to this
list is falling on the floor.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From bchateau at datafirst.fr  Fri Aug 22 15:34:01 2003
From: bchateau at datafirst.fr (Chateau Bernard)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:56:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error loadin plugin  poste:w2000 outlook 2000
Message-ID: <FC95A3604D1ED71198E10008C78702160C2B76@mail.datafirst.fr>


Error connecting to Outlook!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 248, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 519, in LoadConfig
  File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 6:
ordinal not in range(128)
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin\r\n\r\nPlease
re-start Outlook and try again.'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 248, in __init__
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 519, in LoadConfig
  File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 6:
ordinal not in range(128)


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From: MAILER-DAEMON at geit.nlh.no (MAILER-DAEMON@geit.nlh.no)
Date: Fri Aug 22 17:58:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure notice
Message-ID: <E19qBSB-0001TZ-00@mail.python.org>

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at geit.nlh.no.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<wahl_daemonr0983ddr.v@adm.nlh.no>:
128.39.176.2 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 555 sorry, your envelope recipient is in my badrcptto list (#5.7.1)
Giving up on 128.39.176.2.

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: <spambayes@python.org>
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From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <wahl_daemonr0983ddr.v@adm.nlh.no>
Subject: Re: Re: My details
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:55:52 --0600
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
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From support at enterasys.com  Tue Aug 19 17:13:15 2003
From: support at enterasys.com (Enterasys Support)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:03:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Please Resend Your Message! [ADMIN]
In-Reply-To: <200308192004.h7JK4oGO024671@ctron-mail2.enterasys.com>
References: <200308192004.h7JK4oGO024671@ctron-mail2.enterasys.com>
Message-ID: <200308192013.h7JKDFX10173@support.enterasys.com>

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From support at enterasys.com  Tue Aug 19 15:44:53 2003
From: support at enterasys.com (Enterasys Support)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:03:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Please Resend Your Message! [ADMIN]
In-Reply-To: <200308191836.h7JIaRGO007428@ctron-mail2.enterasys.com>
References: <200308191836.h7JIaRGO007428@ctron-mail2.enterasys.com>
Message-ID: <200308191844.h7JIirC03175@support.enterasys.com>

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[ETH]       Switching Products (Matrix, Vertical Horizons, SmartSwitch)

[ROUTE]     SSR Enterprise Network Routers(X-pedition-ER-16,8600,8000,2100,2000)

[SPEL]      NetSight Element Manager)

[NETSIGHT]  NetSight (Policy Manager, Element Manager, Atlas, Gateway)

[SFVN]      SecureFast VLAN Hardware, Software (VLAN Manager)

[ATM]       ATM Solutions (SmartSwitch 2500, 6500, 9500, VHSIM2-A6DP)

[AUROREAN]  Aurorean VPN Products

[DRAGON]    Dragon IDS products

[NOKIA]     Nokia/Checkpoint Firewall Products

[WAN]       Wide Area Technologies (XSR-1800 Family, CSX Family, SSR1XX, SSR2XX)

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[FDDI]      FDDI Hardware (Bridges, Switches, Concentrators, Hubs)

[RA]        Remote Access Technologies (ISDN, Terminal Servers)

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From sales at wonderbakery.com  Fri Aug 22 14:50:38 2003
From: sales at wonderbakery.com (sales@wonderbakery.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:06:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your details
Message-ID: <1061366603.22349.blah>

From: sales@wonderbakery.com
Subject: Received your mail

 I got your mail, We will response back to you ASAP.


Thank you

sales@wonderbakery.com
-------- Original Message --------

> See the attached file for details



From richardjones at optushome.com.au  Wed Aug 20 13:01:52 2003
From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:11:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Exception now that I've got it set up
Message-ID: <200308201201.52244.richardjones@optushome.com.au>

I have noticed that although I'm getting email through the proxy, it doesn't 
appear to have remembered any of the messages it's passed through. Curious, I 
checked one of the messages:

X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.AssertionError() in probability() at
        /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py line
        307: assert hamcount <= nham

It looks like every message is getting this header added.

Sorry, can't help with debugging that - I need to get some Real Work done 
today :)


    Richard
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 08:18:22 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:14:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308221418.h7MEIaI01994@auemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221418.h7MEIaI01994@auemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221418.HAA22530@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

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From montecmill at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 12:04:51 2003
From: montecmill at aol.com (montecmill@aol.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:20:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Approved
Message-ID: <E19qDST-0000vv-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From postmaster at ratemyrack.com  Fri Aug 22 08:17:04 2003
From: postmaster at ratemyrack.com (postmaster@ratemyrack.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:24:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery failure
Message-ID: <E19qDuo-000603-00@mail.python.org>


Your message has encountered delivery problems to 

550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

Your message reads (in part):

Return-Path: <spambayes@python.org>
Delivered-To: webmaster@ratemyrack.com
Received: (magicwinmail server invoked for smtp delivery); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:08:38 -0500
Received: from [130.13.107.112] (envelope-sender <spambayes@python.org>)
	by [12.96.164.159] with ESMTP
	for <webmaster@ratemyrack.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:08:37 -0500
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <webmaster@ratemyrack.com>
Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 7:05:11 --0700
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
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From dt95n361eh2y at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 13:43:21 2003
From: dt95n361eh2y at aol.com (dt95n361eh2y@aol.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:29:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Your details
Message-ID: <E19qEzn-0001s0-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 08:50:06 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:29:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <200308221450.h7MEo2823383@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221450.h7MEo2823383@hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221450.HAA24129@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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Already a registered user: 
Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

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From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 08:50:25 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:30:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: That movie
In-Reply-To: <200308221450.h7MEoiI19760@auemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221450.h7MEoiI19760@auemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221450.HAA24142@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

First time user:
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Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

========================================
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From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sat Aug 23 03:43:53 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:47:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using Spambayes with MySQL
Message-ID: <1061563433.1234.0.camel@rebirth>

Does SpamBayes have any way (yet) of using MySQL databases?

If so, what do I need to do to set this up?

-- 
Cheers
David


From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 09:35:02 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:48:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Re: My details
In-Reply-To: <200308221534.h7MFYvC01575@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221534.h7MFYvC01575@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221535.IAA26028@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

Lucent Worldwide Services supports Email Technical Support for warranty and contract customers only.  This service is obtained by logging into the eSight Service Center at www.esight.com.  For a contract which includes Email Technical Support, please contact the Contract Administration group at (856)414-4350 between the hours of 8AM and 7PM Eastern Time.

First time user:
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Make sure your warranty confirmation number or contract number is registered and that your  user profile information is up to date. Your eSight profile can be updated by clicking on “My eSight” in the green title bar.  Once in “My eSight” click on “Update My Profile”.  Email Technical Support is located in the Premium Toolbox. 

========================================
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 09:46:47 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:48:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: That movie
In-Reply-To: <200308221547.h7MFl6I16434@auemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221547.h7MFl6I16434@auemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221546.IAA26673@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 09:33:42 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:48:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308221533.h7MFXcU21355@auemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221533.h7MFXcU21355@auemail1.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221533.IAA25989@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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========================================
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========================================
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From postmaster at ascend.com  Fri Aug 22 09:39:49 2003
From: postmaster at ascend.com (autoreply daemon)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:49:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Details
In-Reply-To: <200308221539.h7MFdiC03620@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
References: <200308221539.h7MFdiC03620@hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com>
Message-ID: <200308221539.IAA26261@russet.ascend.com>

Attention:   This email address is retired.  Please read!

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First time user:
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========================================
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========================================
Presales Support:  (800)272-3634, Extension 76565
Technical Support:  (888)238-2763
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========================================

From VinceT at russound.com  Fri Aug 22 12:28:01 2003
From: VinceT at russound.com (VinceT@russound.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 18:53:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Symantec AVF detected an unrepairable virus in a
	message you sent
Message-ID: <00e501c368c1$f92febb0$0800000a@RUSSOUND.COM>

Subject of the message: Your details
Recipient of the message: Steve LeBlanc




From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Aug 22 11:24:10 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Aug 22 19:04:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Awfully quiet at the moment
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212ACFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHKEACGNAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tony Meyer]
> Are the spambayes lists still up and running?

Yes, but the latest virus/worm attack make it almost impossible for
mail.python.org to make progress, in part because gazillions of forged
headers point back to a mail.{python,zope}.org address.  One irate email
flood recipient in particular decided to "get even" by adding his own flood
of nuisance messages flowing back to python.org, just making things worse
for everyone.  Let that be a lesson to all:  don't get mad, and don't get
even -- get spambayes <wink>.


> Almost 48 hours without a single post is pretty odd.  I've had a
> couple of people email me asking if they are or not, so I suppose it's
> not just me (although I don't know if they have been posting to the list
> and not getting anything or not).
>
> I have checked in a couple of things that I don't think I've seen on
> the check-ins list (although I could be wrong...).

Yup, email has been pretty much dead in the water.  Looks like the
floodgates are opening again, though.


From sam_fudbe9032 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 11:56:22 2003
From: sam_fudbe9032 at yahoo.com (sam_fudbe9032@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 19:51:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Thank you!
Message-ID: <E19qDKG-0008Ib-00@mail.python.org>

See the attached file for details
From mail/LVC at LILLIANVERNON.COM  Fri Aug 22 10:16:18 2003
From: mail/LVC at LILLIANVERNON.COM (mail/LVC@LILLIANVERNON.COM)
Date: Fri Aug 22 20:04:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] NAV detected a virus in a document you authored.
Message-ID: <OFA88D7F4E.EE244EB4-ON85256D8A.0048E78C@lillianvernon.com>

Please contact your system administrator.


The infected component in the scanned document was deleted.


Virus Information:
The attachment details.pif contained the virus W32.Sobig.F@mm and was
deleted.



From beckman at purplecow.com  Fri Aug 22 11:42:41 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Fri Aug 22 20:08:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Options, Checking .spambayesrc
Message-ID: <20030822103540.M8615@thermonuclear.org>

Hey --

How do I:

1. Print out a sample .spambayesrc using Options.py?  I know I asked this,
but when I do pydoc spambayes.Options, it just gives me the current config,
and tells me that I didn't put spam_cutoff option in the right place or
something.

2. Add to the header the words and values of those words used to determine
the ham- or spam-iness of a given email.

Thanks,
Peter
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Beckman                                                  Internet Guy
beckman@purplecow.com                             http://www.purplecow.com/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From dshupp at iname.com  Fri Aug 22 17:03:32 2003
From: dshupp at iname.com (dshupp@iname.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 20:09:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Netscape 7.1
Message-ID: <3F46A144.6090106@iname.com>

Does the program work with this email program?

David




From Sven at Abelssoft.de  Thu Aug 21 10:02:33 2003
From: Sven at Abelssoft.de (Sven Abels)
Date: Fri Aug 22 21:24:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion: Whitelist?
Message-ID: <001601c367b2$3d8a9dc0$6d01a8c0@7488960>


What about adding a Whitelist-Support to Spambayes 
or the Outlook-Plugin? So that Spammessages from 
a special email address are no longer filtered if 
they are marked as "good" ham twice? (You can
find something simmilar in the SpamNet-Plugin 
for example).


best regards,
Sven
 
--
Sven Abels
E-Mail: Sven@abelssoft.de 


From andrew at lexical.org.uk  Thu Aug 21 16:11:37 2003
From: andrew at lexical.org.uk (Andrew Walkingshaw)
Date: Fri Aug 22 21:31:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes in an Exim filter?
Message-ID: <20030821141137.GC21987@colon.colondot.net>

Dear all - sorry to trouble you, but FAQs/documentation/Google have
failed me here.

I'm wanting to set up Spambayes as part of my Exim filter. At present
I use multiple local-parts (in terms of my email address) in order to
sort mail into many different mailboxes - essentially, per-list email
addresses: ideally, I'd score mail with Spambayes, and filter the spam
out *first* before allowing the remainder of the mail to go into my
current .forward filter:

# Exim filter

if ($original_local_part is andrew-spambayes)
	then
	save $home/mail/spambayes
elif ($original_local_part is ....
	then
        ....
elif 
....
elif
endif

However, there doesn't seem to be a clean way to do this; the best I can
see is to initially invoke an external script which calls spambayes,
then reinjects the mail into the mail queue - something like (pseudocode)

if spambayes_header_missing
    then
    call_spambayes_and_reinject
else
    then
    do_current_processing
endif

as Exim doesn't seem to allow an invoked program to return control to
the filter directly after it's finished; this "solution" is a bit
grubby and fragile, really. Does anyone have a neater method than
this? I'd rather not have to learn procmail...

Yours,
- Andrew

From andrew-spambayes at lexical.org.uk  Thu Aug 21 17:18:36 2003
From: andrew-spambayes at lexical.org.uk (Andrew Walkingshaw)
Date: Fri Aug 22 21:33:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes in an Exim filter?
Message-ID: <20030821151836.GD21987@colon.colondot.net>

Dear all - sorry to trouble you, but FAQs/documentation/Google have
failed me here.

I'm wanting to set up Spambayes as part of my Exim filter. At present
I use multiple local-parts (in terms of my email address) in order to
sort mail into many different mailboxes - essentially, per-list email
addresses: ideally, I'd score mail with Spambayes, and filter the spam
out *first* before allowing the remainder of the mail to go into my
current .forward filter:

# Exim filter

if ($original_local_part is andrew-spambayes)
	then
	save $home/mail/spambayes
elif ($original_local_part is ....
	then
        ....
elif 
....
elif
endif

However, there doesn't seem to be a clean way to do this; the best I can
see is to initially invoke an external script which calls spambayes,
then reinjects the mail into the mail queue - something like (pseudocode)

if spambayes_header_missing
    then
    call_spambayes_and_reinject
else
    then
    do_current_processing
endif

as Exim doesn't seem to allow an invoked program to return control to
the filter directly after it's finished; this "solution" is a bit
grubby and fragile, really. Does anyone have a neater method than
this? I'd rather not have to learn procmail...

Yours,
- Andrew


-- 
email: andrew@lexical.org.uk                        http://www.lexical.org.uk/
Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge              http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/

From MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com  Wed Aug 20 11:30:00 2003
From: MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com (MESSAGE_SERVER)
Date: Fri Aug 22 21:35:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Warning: Possible Virus Infection
Message-ID: <sf434dc9.050@mail.mvnhealth.com>

This is an automatic message from the Guinevere 
Internet Antivirus Scanner. 
 
A message was received from you with a subject of  Thank you! 
The message was addressed to KDUNN.CENTRAL.MVN@mvnhealth.com. 
 The message probably contains a virus. 
 
You will want to consult with your system administator on how 
to deal with this. 
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is
for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential
and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or
distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please
contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
message. Thank you.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 23 13:32:23 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 22 21:35:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] enquiry
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDA924@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I had been receiving logs that say:
> 
> 'ImportError: No module named spambayes.hammiebulk'
> 
> Did I miss out some steps? Any advice?

Did you run setup.py install?  If you set your PYTHONPATH to include the
spambayes directory that has hammiebulk in it, that should work.

=Tony Meyer

From MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com  Wed Aug 20 12:30:21 2003
From: MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com (MESSAGE_SERVER)
Date: Fri Aug 22 21:36:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Warning: Possible Virus Infection
Message-ID: <sf435be2.001@mail.mvnhealth.com>

This is an automatic message from the Guinevere 
Internet Antivirus Scanner. 
 
A message was received from you with a subject of  Thank you! 
The message was addressed to JDELAHUN.CENTRAL.MVN@mvnhealth.com. 
 The message probably contains a virus. 
 
You will want to consult with your system administator on how 
to deal with this. 
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is
for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential
and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or
distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please
contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
message. Thank you.


From postmaster at parthusceva.com  Sat Aug 23 04:27:56 2003
From: postmaster at parthusceva.com (System Anti-Virus Administrator)
Date: Fri Aug 22 23:33:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] virus found in sent message "Re: Approved"
Message-ID: <dublin310614303724248551@dublin3>


Attention: spambayes@python.org


A virus was found in an Email message you sent. 
This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message
reaching its destination. 

The virus was reported to be: 

 the W32/Sobig.f@MM virus !!!


Please update your virus scanner or contact your IT support 
personnel as soon as possible as you have a virus on your system.


Your message was sent with the following envelope:

MAIL FROM: spambayes@python.org
RCPT TO:   info@parthusceva.com 

... and with the following headers:

---
MAILFROM: spambayes@python.org
Received: from unknown (HELO SAFADEVELOPMENT) (209.246.37.182)
  by dublin3.dublin.parthusceva.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 01:46:09 -0000
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <info@parthusceva.com>
Subject: Re: Approved
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:47:45 --0400
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_01750912"


---

From Matt at dermatologysurgery.com  Fri Aug 22 11:59:38 2003
From: Matt at dermatologysurgery.com (Matt Bogard)
Date: Sat Aug 23 02:24:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes question
Message-ID: <7B3D6D1D7A2E7C45984FAC9BF378254407F293@fs1.dermatologysurgery.com>

I have several good/important messages being filtered as spam.  Even
after I click on the message and choose "Recover from Spam," the next
message from that sender is also classified as spam.  
 
Is there a way to make it always consider messages from a certain sender
good mail?

Thanks!
 
  

Matt Bogard,
I.S. Specialist	
Dermatology Surgery Center, P.C.
11623 Arbor Street, Suite 102
Omaha, NE 68144
402/330-4555
www.dermatologysurgery.com 	
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From tmj at juntunen.us  Fri Aug 22 18:15:37 2003
From: tmj at juntunen.us (Thomas Juntunen)
Date: Sat Aug 23 02:25:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
Message-ID: <r02000100-1026-28F41867D4EE11D7A184000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>

(I sent this the first time on Thursday, 20 August, so forgive me if it winds up being a repeat)


Recently, there was some discussion of licensing and the legal issues surrounding software. Someone said matters were arranged so some entity, such as Microsoft, could not swoop in and buy everything up.

I thought of that when I got a message from the IETF's Anti-Spam Research Group mailing list about a spam-related patent, so I went to the USPO web site and did some searching. I was most interested in patent 6,161,130. (Sorry about the URL from hell).

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,161,130.WKU.&OS=PN/6,161,130&RS=PN/6,161,130

I am not all that qualified to say, but the description of this patent -- filed in 1998 -- sounds a lot like the Bayesian, or naive Bayesian, technique to me. After you look at the abstract or description, take a look at the Assignee -- a certain enterprise from Redmond, WA.

I am definitely not a lawyer, but this can't be a good thing, so I'm hoping someone more savvy about how SpamBayes and related engines work can tell me there's no real relation here.

Thomas Juntunen

From clucas at adelphia.net  Fri Aug 22 19:53:08 2003
From: clucas at adelphia.net (Carl Lucas)
Date: Sat Aug 23 02:50:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
Message-ID: <000201c36900$27fa08c0$6401a8c0@DAD>

Windows XP
Spambayes 7.0
 
Log file: Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin 
Registration complete.
 
Installed the add-in the other day. All was fine for a few days. Now it
doesn't work. I have unistalled it, restarted the computer, then
re-installed it. The "Spambayes" menu appears but if I click on
"Spambayes manager" or the other items, nothing happens.
 
I read the troubleshooting guide and went to the "Tools, options, other,
etc but the addin wasn't listed.
From larry at funfactoryinc.com  Thu Aug 21 16:53:37 2003
From: larry at funfactoryinc.com (Larry Wong)
Date: Sat Aug 23 03:30:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't enable Spambayes in Outlook
Message-ID: <EBF621ECD0BBD211B38100A0C9E9521098B04A@EXCHANGE>

Hi. I'm trying to get Spambayes working with Outlook 2002. First I couldn't
see the Spambayes toolbar. I was able to fix it by running regsvr32.exe
spambayes_addin.dll from the Spambayes directory as instructed by the
Troubleshooting guide. However, I have trouble enabling it.
 
When I went to Tools -> Options -> Other -> Advanced Options... -> COM
Add-Ins... , there's nothing. No entry under Add-Ins available at all. Then
I tried using the Add... button manually. Windows XP asked me for a DLL, I
pointed it to Program Files -> Spambayes Outlook Addin ->
spambayes_addin.dll and click OK. Nothing happened.
 
I went to Help -> About Microsoft Outlook but I was told that there're no
disabled items.
 
The toolbar is there but I can't use it. Any idea?
From ekball at rogers.com  Thu Aug 21 08:30:24 2003
From: ekball at rogers.com (Eric and Kimberley Ball)
Date: Sat Aug 23 04:32:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy notate_to okay for spam,
	nothing for ham/unsure
Message-ID: <005901c367d7$9d8deea0$6400a8c0@athlonxp>

I want to shunt the unsure messages into a separate folder so I can train
based on the unsure messages only.  (My OE rules drop the spam so I never
see it.)

I've checked the _pop3proxy.log and it doesn't show up there, so it isn't a
problem with Outlook Express.

add_mailid_to:body doesn't seem to work either, what should I be seeing?

Some other comments:
- Since using dumbdbm is a bad idea (it choked on my 2000 message training
corpus), why not make pickle the default and let the power-users select the
db they want?
- Can someone create a simple command-line version of "print
Options.options" for those of us with no desire to use Python?
- pop3proxy doesn't appear to pick up configuration changes made via the
webpage until it is restarted, this should be fixable.


using version 1.0a4
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

[globals]
verbose:True

[pop3proxy]
add_mailid_to:body
listen_ports:1101,1102
remote_servers:pop.arvotek.net,mail.eol.ca
notate_to:True

[smtpproxy]
ham_address:good@localhost
spam_address:junk@localhost


From alasnik at smilezone.com  Fri Aug 22 14:01:59 2003
From: alasnik at smilezone.com (Adam Lasnik)
Date: Sat Aug 23 06:21:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confused about the difference between SpamBayes (with
	Outlook Plugin) and Inboxer
Message-ID: <000701c368e8$3efaefc0$5500fea9@shortygeorge>

Hi there,

I'm a POPfile refugee (too many false positives!) and generally a pretty
tech savvy fella, with clearly no fear of open source stuff.

Would there be any reason for me to use Inboxer instead of SpamBayes
with the Outlook plugin?  I understand that Inboxer offers a whitelist
feature, but if SpamBayes algorithms are really as sound as I've heard,
then this shouldn't really be necessary, right?

Aside from ease of installation, are there any other advantages to
Inboxer over SpamBayes?  I'm willing to fork over some cash if I have
good enough reasons to do so :)

Oh, and yeah, I did check out Inboxer's site and attempted to Google
comparison info, but came up blank.

Thanks in advance for any info :)

Regards,
Adam
http://www.smilezone.com/



From postmaster at link.net  Fri Aug 22 21:04:04 2003
From: postmaster at link.net (postmaster@link.net)
Date: Sat Aug 23 06:26:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Message-ID: <g3AmsfGdM0000f606@mail.link.net>

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       gordiet@link.net



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From FWright at sccd.ctc.edu  Fri Aug 22 11:54:50 2003
From: FWright at sccd.ctc.edu (Wright, Frankie)
Date: Sat Aug 23 07:07:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <753CC6EAFFAA2B4D84B9067F7B59B03B71988D@SCCDMAIL.SCCD.CTC.EDU>

To Whom It May Concern;

 

I am not able to get SpamBayes version 0.7 to work on my Windows XP.
Attached are the log files

 

Thanks

Frankie

 

 

 

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From: Mailer-Daemon at nasc.inter.net (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Sat Aug 23 07:42:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
Message-ID: <E19qA2i-0007ZR-00@app1.nasc.inter.net>

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  paterson@mlink.net
    mailbox is full (MTA-imposed quota exceeded while writing to file tmp/1061551520.29103.app1.nasc.inter.net):
    retry timeout exceeded

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Return-path: <spambayes@python.org>
Received: from c-67-161-78-46.client.comcast.net ([67.161.78.46] helo=BAGEL)
	by app1.nasc.inter.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
	id 19qA2h-0007ZB-00
	for paterson@mlink.net; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:25:19 -0400
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <paterson@mlink.net>
Subject: Re: Details
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 4:25:13 --0700
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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From bkc at murkworks.com  Sat Aug 23 15:32:42 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sat Aug 23 23:50:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Awfully quiet at the moment
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHKEACGNAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212ACFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3F477C0E.24537.2A5494F9@localhost>

On 22 Aug 2003 at 10:24, Tim Peters wrote:

> 
> Yup, email has been pretty much dead in the water.  Looks like the
> floodgates are opening again, though.
> 

I've noticed that the amount of spam I receive has really been down lately. But now it's 
starting to creep back up.

I have spambayes integrated into Pegasus Mail, although it classifies messages, it 
doesn't yet do anything about it. Need to find more time to finish the job.


-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Sun Aug 24 04:35:31 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Sun Aug 24 00:14:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion: Whitelist? 
In-Reply-To: <001601c367b2$3d8a9dc0$6d01a8c0@7488960> 
Message-ID: <200308231735.h7NHZVBl023584@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Sven Abels" wrote
> What about adding a Whitelist-Support to Spambayes 
> or the Outlook-Plugin? So that Spammessages from 
> a special email address are no longer filtered if 
> they are marked as "good" ham twice? (You can
> find something simmilar in the SpamNet-Plugin 
> for example).

See the FAQ on the website, in particular this question:

Why don't you add whitelisting/blacklisting to SpamBayes?
---------------------------------------------------------

The main reason is that for the most part SpamBayes doesn't need it!  As
long as you keep training on unsure or mis-classified mail, SpamBayes will
learn what you consider good mail without needing any specific lists. In
addition, tokens are generated from email addresses, so an automatic
'whitelist' (of sorts) is generated, as is a similar blacklist.

Whitelists and blacklists are problematic anyway, because 'spoofing'
(pretending you are someone else) is reasonably simple, and also very
common.  So, more often than not, they'll lead to incorrect results.
However, there are some commercial products based on SpamBayes that offer
whitelisting - see the `related page`_ for more information.

Also, blacklisting is really a server side responsibility.  SpamBayes is a
content filter - it looks at what is inside the "envelope".  Blacklisting,
DNS based spam handling like rejecting mail without valid origin or from a
known spam source is really the job of the mail server.  In an ideal
environment such mail will be rejected before it reaches you as it deals
with what's "written on" the "envelope".

Applying content based filtering on the server is complex, as everyone's
feeling about content differs - this is why it is a client end role that
tools like SpamBayes fill.



From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 02:02:21 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Aug 24 03:29:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEENBFEAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Thomas Juntunen]
> Recently, there was some discussion of licensing and the legal
> issues surrounding software. Someone said matters were arranged so
> some entity, such as Microsoft, could not swoop in and buy everything
> up.

The assets of the Python Software Foundation (such as the copyrights
covering the spambayes code base) can't be transferred to an entity other
than a public charity (under US tax law -- "public charity" has specific
legal meaning) or a government agency.  It's not just that a company can't
take the copyright from the PSF, the PSF couldn't sell it to a company even
if it wanted to.

> I thought of that when I got a message from the IETF's Anti-Spam
> Research Group mailing list about a spam-related patent, so I went
> to the USPO web site and did some searching. I was most interested
> in patent 6,161,130. (Sorry about the URL from hell).

<http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=
1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,161,130.WKU.&OS=PN/6,161,130&RS=
PN/6,161,130>

> I am not all that qualified to say, but the description of this
> patent -- filed in 1998 -- sounds a lot like the Bayesian, or naive
> Bayesian, technique to me. After you look at the abstract or
> description, take a look at the Assignee -- a certain enterprise from
> Redmond, WA.
>
> I am definitely not a lawyer, but this can't be a good thing, so I'm
> hoping someone more savvy about how SpamBayes and related engines
> work can tell me there's no real relation here.

Sorry, nobody can tell you that:  whether a patent is enforced is up to
courts, and software patent law is in such a sorry state that, even though
you're not a lawyer (and neither am I), I bet your guess is as good as an
expert's -- and no matter how bad a guesser you are <wink>.

That patent, and others, were discussed early in the life of this project.
I don't worry about it.  That specific patent makes a large number of
claims.  Some are obviously (to me) unenforcable, due to widespread
publication of the relevant art long before this patent appeared (e.g.,
Bayesian classification is about 50 years old!).  Other claims are specific
to server-side spam filters, which spambayes isn't (for most people).  Some
are simply ludicrous claims, such as the idea of retraining based on a user
moving a msg from one folder to another -- yes, that's a fine idea, but no,
IMO it's not novel enough to patent (it's an obvious approach to anyone with
ordinary skill in the art).  Then again, patents on obvious ideas have been
upheld in the past; and then again, others haven't.

If MS wants to pick on spambayes, I'm sure they could.  I doubt that they
do; but, if I'm wrong about that, I can't think of anything that would boost
contributions to the PSF faster <0.9 wink>.


From fuerte at sci.fi  Sat Aug 23 17:56:46 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Sun Aug 24 04:35:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Exception: UnicodeDecodeError
Message-ID: <3F47729E.1020605@sci.fi>

Hello, first, thanks for the SpamBayes! I use it at work with Outlook, 
and at home via pop3proxy. Works great.

Here is a bug:

To: "fuerte" <fuerte@sci.fi>
Subject: ??  fuerte   ?????--??????????????
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 03 18:34:14 Taipei Standard Time
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary= "----=_NextPart_000_00C7_CB64219B.3DF1AB74"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 
Status:   
X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError('ascii' codec can't
	decode byte 0xb1 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)) in
	append() at E:\Python23\lib\email\Header.py line 272: ustr =
	unicode(s, incodec, errors)

------=_NextPart_000_00C7_CB64219B.3DF1AB74
Content-Type: text/html; charset= "big5"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

I can send the message if somebody is interested.

Harri



From VinceT at russound.com  Sat Aug 23 21:45:01 2003
From: VinceT at russound.com (VinceT@russound.com)
Date: Sun Aug 24 08:07:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Symantec AVF detected an unrepairable virus in a
	message you sent
Message-ID: <073701c369d8$f36c7690$0800000a@RUSSOUND.COM>

Subject of the message: Re: That movie
Recipient of the message: GEORGE GAVUTIS




From wsy at merl.com  Sat Aug 23 10:13:26 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Sun Aug 24 08:11:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
	(message from Thomas Juntunen on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:35:55 -0500)
References: <r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
Message-ID: <200308231313.h7NDDQu21348@localhost.localdomain>


   From: Thomas Juntunen <tmj@juntunen.us>

   Recently, there was some discussion of licensing and the legal
   issues surrounding software. Someone said matters were arranged so
   some entity, such as Microsoft, could not swoop in and buy
   everything up.

   I thought of that when I got a message from the IETF's Anti-Spam
   Research Group mailing list about a spam-related patent, so I went
   to the USPO web site and did some searching. I was most interested
   in patent 6,161,130. (Sorry about the URL from hell).

   [...]

   I am not all that qualified to say, but the description of this
   patent -- filed in 1998 -- sounds a lot like the Bayesian, or naive
   Bayesian, technique to me. After you look at the abstract or
   description, take a look at the Assignee -- a certain enterprise
   from Redmond, WA.

   I am definitely not a lawyer, but this can't be a good thing, so
   I'm hoping someone more savvy about how SpamBayes and related
   engines work can tell me there's no real relation here.

I've read it.  I am Not a Patent Lawyer either.  So, this is just
lay opinion...

I think that SpamBayes _might_ be in trouble, but probably not, 

More specifically, the Redmond patent teaches that the feature set
is quite small, and composed of single-word features and handcrafted
features, and is "further reduced" to some fixed size N, which is then
used as the decision matrix for the SVM, which then _automatically_
is retrained.  If any of those elements is not used, then there is
no infringement.

Now, for some details:

This is a "method/apparatus" patent; there are two base claims,
one for the method (in this case, claim 1), and one for the
apparatus (in this case, claim 34).  If you can show that
SpamBayes is not covered under either of those claims, by
any triviality whatsoever, you're in the clear.

Claim 1 specifically reduces this to a set of N pre-defined features.
If SpamBayes dynamically alters the number of features, or dynamically
generates new features, then claim 1 does not apply and so you're in
the clear.  Likewise claim 34 (the other "base claim") also includes
the magic phrase 

 "determines whether each one of a pre-defined set of N features
 (where N is a predefined integer) is present in the incoming message
 so as to yield feature data associated with the message;"

So - if SB doesn't have a pre-defined feature set, nor if it
doesn't pre-define the _size_ of the set, you're OK.

Now, CRM114 is in the clear on this one, as it doesn't contain
handcrafted features, contains both single-word and multi-word
automatically generated features ( generated on the fly, up to 5 words
in sequence now), and doesn't predefine N.

I remind you, I am NOT a lawyer, and I'm sure Redmond has plenty
of lawyers.  But, my layman's opinion is that SpamBayes is 
probably in the clear, and CRM114 almost certainly is.

	 -Bill Yerazunis

From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Sat Aug 23 11:10:07 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Sun Aug 24 08:28:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Netscape 7.1
In-Reply-To: <3F46A144.6090106@iname.com>
References: <3F46A144.6090106@iname.com>
Message-ID: <20030823141007.GB21143@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 04:03:32PM -0700, dshupp@iname.com wrote:
| Does the program work with [Netscape 7.1]?

If you use POP3 (or IMAP4) to connect to the server and retrieve your
mail then it does.

-D

-- 
Like a gold ring in a pig's snout
is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.
        Proverbs 11:22
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From steveng at pop.jaring.my  Sat Aug 23 11:05:10 2003
From: steveng at pop.jaring.my (Stephen Ng)
Date: Sun Aug 24 11:39:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy error
Message-ID: <3F46CBD6.8050206@pop.jaring.my>

Hi!

I occassionally get the following error -

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x8472444> (socket.error:(110, 
'Connection timed out') [/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|82] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|recv|362])

Seems on a connection problem there is no recovery.

I am using RedHat9 with Mozilla mail.

Regards,

Stephen Ng


From berzerke at swbell.net  Sun Aug 24 01:05:14 2003
From: berzerke at swbell.net (robert)
Date: Sun Aug 24 12:01:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ip address (repost+additional)
Message-ID: <200308240005.15049.berzerke@swbell.net>

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(Since I haven't gotten my last post, I'm trying again.  I've also added a 
little bit of additional detail)

Other than hacking the source code, has anyone figured out how to make
spambayes listen on a specific interface, rather than the default behavior of
listening on every interface and refusing all connections except over the
loopback interface?

I've tried editing the bayescustomize.ini file and adding an ip address in 
front of the port (such as listen_ports:192.168.100.1:6110 or 
listen_ports:('192.168.100.1', 6110) ), but pop3proxy doesn't like either 
form.  In an article I found, I also tried "pop3proxy_ports = 127.0.0.1:110, 
127.0.0.2:110", but that didn't work either.

What I'm trying to accomplish is to use a SINGLE copy of spambayes for a group
of people, many of which complain about the spam but aren't willing (or able 
in a few cases) to learn how to use their own copy.  This way, one or two 
people can train it, while everyone benefits from the results.

So far, the only workable solution I've found is by using socat.  BTW, if
anyone's interested, I can document what I've done with socat.

- -- 
Fail to learn history-repeat it.
Fail to learn rights-lose them.
Learn both-get screwed by previous two groups.
Public key is at http://home.swbell.net/berzerke/robert.key
Fingerprint: 0D70 9ADF B5A7 45E7 A853 4B1C 8E0F 4324 C39D 44A2
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From skip at pobox.com  Sat Aug 23 08:36:19 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug 24 12:02:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
References: <E19oOmO-0005zr-00@mail.python.org>
	<r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
Message-ID: <16199.24515.440076.107525@montanaro.dyndns.org>

This came up once before.  I think we don't fall under this patent's
claims.  In particular, Bayesian techniques don't use a predefined set of
features.  Search Google for "spambayes support vector machines".

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 23 15:05:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 12:09:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using Spambayes with MySQL
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDA92D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Does SpamBayes have any way (yet) of using MySQL databases?
> If so, what do I need to do to set this up?
[The following is an answer I sent in response to an off-list mail
essentially asking the same thing, in case others are interested.]

Hi David,

> (Apologies at the moment for mailing you directly, but with
> the current spamstorm, I'm sure you'll understand).

Indeed.

> I'm wanting to use SpamBayes with a MySQL back end, and add
> some ability to have a per-user training base.
> 
> On RTFS'ing, I see a base class storage.mySQLClassifier.

BTW I'm not sure if the source mentions it or not, but the SQL stuff is
very recent.

> But, hammiefilter.py uses hammie.open, which is hardwired to
> only choose between db file and pickle storage objects.
[...]
> So my questions to you are:
> 1) Do you advise the subclassing approach?

No, but only because the patching approach is better.

> Are the underlying
> classes stable enough for me to do this, or are my child 
> classes prone to breaking as Spambayes and its native classes change?

The underlying classes should be stable enough, although the whole
module may be renamed at some point.  The classifier, storage, and
tokenizer classes in particular should be *very* stable.

> 2) Or do you suggest I hack the source, and send patches
> against latest CVS?

Yes, I think this is the best path.  If you waited long enough this
would probably happen anyway, but given that (AFAIK) none of the main
developers has much interest in SQL based classifiers, it's unlikely to
be soon.  If you open a tracker on sourceforge and put the patches there
either Skip or I will integrate them in.

If it works with what you have in mind, a tentative specification has
been discussed, as follows:
 * if [storage]use_persistent_database is false, use a pickle.
 * else if [storage]persistent_storage_file doesn't contain "::", use a
dbm
        (this might change to follow the below at some point)
 * else split [storage]persistent_storage_file into two on the first
"::"
 *      the bit before the "::" is the storage type ("mysql", "pgsql",
etc)
 *      the bit after the "::" is passed to the appropriate classifier
        (containing the user name, database name & location, and so on).

The code I used in pop3proxy looked like this:
"""
        if self.useDB:
            if '::' in filename:
                sql_types = {"pgsql" : storage.PGClassifier,
                             "mysql" : storage.mySQLClassifier,
                             }
                sql_type, rest = filename.split('::', 1)
                if sql_types.has_key(sql_type.lower()):
                    self.bayes = sql_types[sql_type.lower()](rest)
                else:
                    # yikes! raise some sort of NoSuchClassifierError
                    pass
            else:
                self.bayes = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename)
        else:
            self.bayes = storage.PickledClassifier(filename)
"""

(The mySQLClassifier __init__ could use improvement since it currently
expects each element to be split by a space, which means that the
database info can't have a space.  The API here is completely unstable;
feel free to come up with whatever you think is best).

If you really wanted to do things nicely, then (IMO) it would be great
to have a function (probably in storage.py) that would do this for you,
so that hammie, pop3proxy et al could all use the same one.  Something
like "open_storage(use_pickle, data_source_name)".

> Be assured with the source-hacking scenario, I respect that
> my 'Spamish Inquisition' package is controversial, and will 
> keep it completely separate from any code I contribute.

Thanks :)  For the moment at least, I don't think it would go down well
even just having it in the contrib directory.  OTOH, it's easily
accessible from the website.

> With
> any patches I contribute, I will take utmost care to extend 
> intelligently and not break any existing functionality.

Thanks - that makes going over the patches and checking them in that
much easier...

Cheers,
Tony

From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 24 20:42:22 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Aug 24 15:04:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ip address (repost+additional)
In-Reply-To: <200308240005.15049.berzerke@swbell.net>
References: <200308240005.15049.berzerke@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <1m1ikvoiv9ted3k9caapou531rckj0049k@4ax.com>

Hi Robert,

> Other than hacking the source code, has anyone figured out how to make
> spambayes listen on a specific interface

This was broken in 1.0a4 and is fixed in CVS.

> I've tried editing the bayescustomize.ini file and adding an ip address in 
> front of the port (such as listen_ports:192.168.100.1:6110 [...] )

That works in the CVS version.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Sat Aug 23 01:26:46 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Sun Aug 24 15:40:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SpamBayes Readme
In-Reply-To: <200308201059.02790.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302D92C0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200308201059.02790.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030823042646.GA10459@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:58:58AM +1000, Richard Jones wrote:
Content-Description: signed data

| BTW, I don't even know what format my mail is stored in by KMail (I suggest 
| that a lot of users wouldn't know this :). I do know it's not mailbox format. 
| It looks like a directory per folder, with "cur", "new" and "tmp" for each, 
| and then a file per message. *shrug*

That would be the Maildir format.

(not that it matters to spambayes anyways)

-D

-- 
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his
soul?  Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
        Mark 8:36-37
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Sat Aug 23 11:08:09 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Sun Aug 24 15:40:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes in an Exim filter?
In-Reply-To: <20030821141137.GC21987@colon.colondot.net>
References: <20030821141137.GC21987@colon.colondot.net>
Message-ID: <20030823140809.GA21143@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 03:11:37PM +0100, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote:

| I'm wanting to set up Spambayes as part of my Exim filter.
[...]

| However, there doesn't seem to be a clean way to do this;

That's right.

| the best I can
| see is to initially invoke an external script which calls spambayes,
| then reinjects the mail into the mail queue - something like (pseudocode)
| 
| if spambayes_header_missing
|     then
|     call_spambayes_and_reinject
| else
|     then
|     do_current_processing
| endif

Precisely.

| as Exim doesn't seem to allow an invoked program to return control to
| the filter directly after it's finished;

Nope.  Exim's architecture is such that when it runs the filter is
merely schedules the delivery.  (delivery to a pipe is just a
delivery)  Then at some later point it runs the delivery.  Thus if you
pipe the message to an external program in a filter (or a router, if
you do it system-wide) then the program can't affect the filter
processing because the programs's "result" isn't known until after the
filter is done processing.

| this "solution" is a bit grubby and fragile, really.

It's the only one, apart from implementing the local_scan() API.
    (it's even documented: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/config_docs/exim-spamassassin/)

| Does anyone have a neater method than this?

The only neater way to integrate external scanning into exim is to
write a local_scan() function which does that.  (this requires exim4,
and requires knowledge of C)

| I'd rather not have to learn procmail...

Or maildrop?  ;-)

-D

-- 
In the way of righteousness there is life;
along that path is immortality.
        Proverbs 12:28
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 15:38:50 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Aug 24 15:55:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <200308231313.h7NDDQu21348@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKECGFGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Bill Yerazunis]
> I've read it.  I am Not a Patent Lawyer either.  So, this is just
> lay opinion...
>
> I think that SpamBayes _might_ be in trouble, but probably not,

Na, the spambayes Outlook addin is the only reason MS can still sell Outlook
<wink>.

> More specifically, the Redmond patent teaches that the feature set
> is quite small, and composed of single-word features and handcrafted
> features, and is "further reduced" to some fixed size N, which is then
> used as the decision matrix for the SVM, which then _automatically_
> is retrained.  If any of those elements is not used, then there is
> no infringement.
>
> Now, for some details:
>
> This is a "method/apparatus" patent; there are two base claims,
> one for the method (in this case, claim 1), and one for the
> apparatus (in this case, claim 34).  If you can show that
> SpamBayes is not covered under either of those claims, by
> any triviality whatsoever, you're in the clear.
>
> Claim 1 specifically reduces this to a set of N pre-defined features.
> If SpamBayes dynamically alters the number of features, or dynamically
> generates new features, then claim 1 does not apply and so you're in
> the clear.  Likewise claim 34 (the other "base claim") also includes
> the magic phrase
>
>  "determines whether each one of a pre-defined set of N features
>  (where N is a predefined integer) is present in the incoming message
>  so as to yield feature data associated with the message;"
>
> So - if SB doesn't have a pre-defined feature set, nor if it
> doesn't pre-define the _size_ of the set, you're OK.
>
> Now, CRM114 is in the clear on this one, as it doesn't contain
> handcrafted features, contains both single-word and multi-word
> automatically generated features ( generated on the fly, up to 5 words
> in sequence now), and doesn't predefine N.

Says you.  Me too, but we're not lawyers, and judges aren't programmers.  In
the end, CRM114 associates scores with a predefined number of hash buckets,
and I can picture a judge getting bamboozled into believing the fixed set of
hash buckets is really a predefined "feature space".  I'd rather defend SB
on that count, as SB's scores are associated with non-hashed tokens, and
there's indeed no limit on how big a SB database can get.

> I remind you, I am NOT a lawyer, and I'm sure Redmond has plenty
> of lawyers.  But, my layman's opinion is that SpamBayes is
> probably in the clear, and CRM114 almost certainly is.

IMO they're both wholly in the clear -- but there's really no predicting how
a judge would rule.  Still, if you do get sued, I'll offer my services as an
expert witness for the defense <wink>.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug 23 20:50:14 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Aug 24 16:21:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Outlook Rules Wizard
In-Reply-To: <000001c368b3$1e6ed300$6501a8c0@oxygeniolap1>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEHFFFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Burkhard Schrage]
> I have been using the Outlook rules wizard in order to move spam
> directly to the "deleted mail" folder.  I was wondering whether
> Spambayes has a "look" at my inbox before or after Outlook applies
> the rules.

Unfortunately, there isn't a comprehensible answer to that reasonable
question.  Outlook tells spambayes about a message when Outlook feels like
telling spambayes about it, which may be before, or after, or in the middle
of Outlook applying its own rules to the message -- or, sometimes, and
especially when your machine is busy doing other things too, Outlook doesn't
tell spambayes about a message at all.  "The rules" (if there are any ...)
aren't documented by Microsoft, and it seems to vary based on CPU speed,
available RAM, Outlook version, and service pack level too.

> If it were true that Spambayes looks at my inbox after
> Outlook applies the rules, it might be better to switch the rules
> off, or?

If it were reliably true or false, yes, something interesting would follow
from that <wink>.

The Outlook addin has grown a couple of options to insert delays of various
durations into the addin's processing steps, in the hopes of making the
addin's timing with respect to Outlook rules more predictable.  This is
poke-and-hope tuning, so may or may not improve predictability for you.


From MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com  Wed Aug 20 15:14:26 2003
From: MAILMAN at mvnhealth.com (MESSAGE_SERVER)
Date: Sun Aug 24 17:54:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Warning: Possible Virus Infection
Message-ID: <sf438258.082@mail.mvnhealth.com>

This is an automatic message from the Guinevere 
Internet Antivirus Scanner. 
 
A message was received from you with a subject of  Re: Re: My details 
The message was addressed to DJAVITZ.CENTRAL.MVN@mvnhealth.com. 
 The message probably contains a virus. 
 
You will want to consult with your system administator on how 
to deal with this. 
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is
for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential
and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or
distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please
contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
message. Thank you.


From wsy at merl.com  Sun Aug 24 16:04:23 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Sun Aug 24 18:14:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKECGFGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKECGFGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200308241904.h7OJ4Ni05604@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one@comcast.net>

   > Now, CRM114 is in the clear on this one, as it doesn't contain
   > handcrafted features, contains both single-word and multi-word
   > automatically generated features ( generated on the fly, up to 5 words
   > in sequence now), and doesn't predefine N.

   Says you.  Me too, but we're not lawyers, and judges aren't programmers.  In
   the end, CRM114 associates scores with a predefined number of hash buckets,
   and I can picture a judge getting bamboozled into believing the fixed set of
   hash buckets is really a predefined "feature space".

You aren't keeping up with the CRM114 code base.  :)

In particular, the new format (hash, key, value) doesn't use a predefined
number of buckets; when autogrooming or microgrooming is enabled, even
CRM114 doesn't quite know how many buckets are active.

It's not incomputable; it's that it's indeterminate as far as the 
algorithm is concerned.  :)

   I'd rather defend SB
   on that count, as SB's scores are associated with non-hashed tokens, and
   there's indeed no limit on how big a SB database can get.

Same in CRM114; until you hit something big enough that you need
lseek, it's Not An Issue.  In fact (again, if autogrooming or microgrooming
is on) it's _better_ to be bigger.

   -Bill Yerazunis

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 22 23:46:37 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Aug 24 18:36:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using Spambayes with MySQL
In-Reply-To: <1061563433.1234.0.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061563433.1234.0.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <16198.58269.758586.548941@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> Does SpamBayes have any way (yet) of using MySQL databases?  If
    David> so, what do I need to do to set this up?

Yes.  Unfortunately, I think it's still RTSL at this point.  It may even
still be TTSL (Tweak The Source Luke).  I added PostgreSQL capability to the
storage module and Tony Meyer followed up with his MySQL capability.  Tony
also added a special check to pop3proxy so you can specify a
persistent_storage_file of "mysql::" or "pgsql::" to select the appropriate
database.  If you're not using pop3proxy I think you'll have to modify the
application you are using in a similar way.

Skip


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 24 10:56:39 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Aug 24 18:59:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Exception now that I've got it set up
In-Reply-To: <200308201201.52244.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
References: <200308201201.52244.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <6cvgkvs2mr3ounbmifemajc1l12mab3l9p@4ax.com>

Hi Richard,

> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.AssertionError() in probability() at
>         /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py line
>         307: assert hamcount <= nham

Looks like your database has become corrupted.  See
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corrupted

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richardjones at optushome.com.au  Sat Aug 23 16:04:04 2003
From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones)
Date: Sun Aug 24 19:10:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web interface problems
In-Reply-To: <200308201502.27543.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
References: <200308201502.27543.richardjones@optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <200308231504.07894.richardjones@optushome.com.au>

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:02 pm, Richard Jones wrote:
> I'm using the pop3proxy script to proxy two POP3 accounts. Initially I was
> getting the error in my last post, but then I nuked the dir with the
> database &c. and started again. Now I get email through with
> "X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure", which is good, but I can't see them
> through the web. The "unknown" cache as copies of the messages, but they're
> not visible in either the message counts on the "home" page or in the
> "review" page. The " POP3 conversations this session" counter is 0 too.

A followup on this: the next day I booted my computer up and started the proxy 
and everything worked just fine. Has been ever since. No idea why things were 
fubar'ed in the first instance. Which is obviously *great* news for you guys 
:(


   Richard
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From berzerke at swbell.net  Sat Aug 23 20:09:09 2003
From: berzerke at swbell.net (robert)
Date: Sun Aug 24 19:29:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ip address
Message-ID: <200308231909.15560.berzerke@swbell.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Other than hacking the source code, has anyone figured out how to make 
spambayes listen on a specific interface, rather than the default behavior of 
listening on every interface and refusing all connections except over the 
loopback interface?

What I'm trying to accomplish is to use a SINGLE copy of spambayes for a group 
of people, many of which complain about the spam but aren't willing (or able) 
to learn how to use their own copy.  This way, one or two people can train 
it, while everyone benefits from the results.

So far, the only workable solution I've found is by using socat.  BTW, if 
anyone's interested, I can document what I've done with socat.
- -- 
Fail to learn history-repeat it.
Fail to learn rights-lose them.
Learn both-get screwed by previous two groups.
Public key is at http://home.swbell.net/berzerke/robert.key
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From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 24 20:53:01 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Aug 24 19:33:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <16199.24515.440076.107525@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <E19oOmO-0005zr-00@mail.python.org>
	<r02000000-1026-A9AB35BAD35E11D7A553000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
	<16199.24515.440076.107525@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <6nshkvgoji3ohq9bdcthg7j88941d77oul@4ax.com>


[Skip]
> Bayesian techniques don't use a predefined set of features.

<pedant level='lawyer'>Yes they do.  Every time Spambayes classifies a
message, it looks for N predefined features in that message, where N is
the number of tokens in the training database.</pedant>

I haven't read the patent claim because I'm allergic to legalese, so this
might be irrelevant.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 25 10:17:15 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 24 19:41:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Outlook Rules Wizard
In-Reply-To: <000001c368b3$1e6ed300$6501a8c0@oxygeniolap1>
Message-ID: <000a01c36a95$dbcb48f0$f502a8c0@eden>

We don't know how to hool that closely to Outlook's rules, but if you see
the "configuration guide", you will find reference to a timer which has the
effect of making us run after Outlook's rules.

Mark.

> I have been using the Outlook rules wizard in order to move
> spam directly to
> the "deleted mail" folder.  I was wondering whether Spambayes
> has a "look"
> at my inbox before or after Outlook applies the rules.  If it
> were true that
> Spambayes looks at my inbox after Outlook applies the rules,
> it might be
> better to switch the rules off, or?
>
> Config: Outlook 2002 (SP2), Win XP Pro (SP1).
>
> Many thanks for bringing us such a smart program.
>
> Best,
>
> Dr. Burkhard Schrage
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 25 10:15:56 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun Aug 24 19:49:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <753CC6EAFFAA2B4D84B9067F7B59B03B71988D@SCCDMAIL.SCCD.CTC.EDU>
Message-ID: <000601c36a95$acc0e560$f502a8c0@eden>

I'm afraid I have no idea.  I have opened
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=794381&group_id=61
702&atid=498103 - is is possible for you to get write access to your
"\program files\" directory?  Or get your administrator to install and run
the program, and then it should work for you.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Wright, Frankie
> Sent: Saturday, 23 August 2003 3:55 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
> 
> 
> To Whom It May Concern;
> 
>  
> 
> I am not able to get SpamBayes version 0.7 to work on my Windows XP.
> Attached are the log files
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Frankie
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:05:17 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:15:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Exception: UnicodeDecodeError
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB5F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Hello, first, thanks for the SpamBayes! I use it at work with 
> Outlook, 
> and at home via pop3proxy. Works great.
> Here is a bug:
[...]
> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError('ascii' 
> codec can't
> 	decode byte 0xb1 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)) in
> 	append() at E:\Python23\lib\email\Header.py line 272: ustr =
> 	unicode(s, incodec, errors)

This has been fixed in cvs, and so will be fixed for the next release.
Thanks for the report, though.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:10:21 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:19:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which Servers are needed by SpamBayes?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB6D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > SpamBayes should only be connecting to one page: 
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download/Version.cfg.
> thakn you for that answer, but sadly it's not true.
> 
> I have allowed access to tha stated URL and sometimes it 
> works. But for isntant right now it tries to connect to a DNS 
> at "temloeh.chem.uu.nl" and to a destination IP 
> 131.211.154.162 at port 80 when I "check for update". These 
> two connection are not allowed by my firewall.

Neither Mark nor I can see how this could be possible.  Some things to
check:

 * If you ping spambayes.sourceforge.net, do you also connect to it and
not somewhere else?  Maybe you have a screwy dns or something along the
way?
 * Do you have this IP set as your proxy?  It might then try to connect
to it.
 * Is something else that you are running trying to make this
connection?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:06:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:22:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error loadin plugin  poste:w2000 outlook 2000
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB66@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Error connecting to Outlook!
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1053, in OnConnection
>   File "out1.pyz/manager", line 724, in GetManager
>   File "out1.pyz/manager", line 248, in __init__
>   File "out1.pyz/manager", line 519, in LoadConfig
>   File "out1.pyz/ntpath", line 101, in join
> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in 
> position 6: ordinal not in range(128)

This is being tracked here:
[ 779319 ] ntpath Unicode error
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=779319&group_
id=61702&atid=498103>

Please try the suggestions in that tracker, and see if they work for
you.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:15:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:24:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes question
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB78@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Is there a way to make it always consider messages from a 
> certain sender good mail?

See FAQ 6.6:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelistin
g-blacklisting-to-spambayes>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:14:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:26:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Options, Checking .spambayesrc
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB74@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1. Print out a sample .spambayesrc using Options.py?  I know 
> I asked this, but when I do pydoc spambayes.Options, it just 
> gives me the current config, and tells me that I didn't put 
> spam_cutoff option in the right place or something.

The FAQ has lots of information about this.  What you want is:

>>> from spambayes.Options import options
>>> print options.display()

> 2. Add to the header the words and values of those words used 
> to determine the ham- or spam-iness of a given email.

If you're using pop3proxy:

[Headers]
include_evidence: True

If you're using hamme*:

[Hammie]
debug_header: True

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:28:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:29:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confused about the difference between SpamBayes
	(withOutlook Plugin) and Inboxer
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB93@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Would there be any reason for me to use Inboxer instead of 
> SpamBayes with the Outlook plugin?  I understand that Inboxer 
> offers a whitelist feature, but if SpamBayes algorithms are 
> really as sound as I've heard, then this shouldn't really be 
> necessary, right?

It really depends one how much you like whitelists.  Certainly in the
opinion of the SpamBayes developers, you will get better results with
SpamBayes than SpamBayes-with-whitelisting.

> Aside from ease of installation, are there any other 
> advantages to Inboxer over SpamBayes?  I'm willing to fork 
> over some cash if I have good enough reasons to do so :)

This is probably a better question to ask the InBoxer folks (even given
that they have a vested interest), since most (AFAIK) of us haven't
actually used InBoxer.  It may very well look prettier, be easier to
install, and easier to use, but apart from the whitelisting, it should
give the same results.  The next release of the SpamBayes Outlook
plug-in will have many improvements in ease-of-use, though, so I don't
know how much ahead InBoxer is there.

InBoxer presumably offers better support, too, since it most likely
doesn't rely on volunteers answering questions to this list :)

> Oh, and yeah, I did check out Inboxer's site and attempted to 
> Google comparison info, but came up blank.

InBoxer is probably too new to be able to do this.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:30:37 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:31:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Exception now that I've got it set up
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB96@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have noticed that although I'm getting email through the 
> proxy, it doesn't appear to have remembered any of the messages
> it's passed through. Curious, I checked one of the messages:
> 
> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.AssertionError() in probability() at
>         /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py line
>         307: assert hamcount <= nham
> 
> It looks like every message is getting this header added.

This means that your database is hosed.  (See also FAQ 5.2:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-cor
rupted>).

Any messages that cause an Exception don't get added to a cache, so this
is why they aren't showing up.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:22:46 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:32:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy notate_to okay for spam,
	nothing for ham/unsure
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I want to shunt the unsure messages into a separate folder so 
> I can train based on the unsure messages only.  (My OE rules 
> drop the spam so I never see it.)

This is a feature, not a bug ;) Because notate_to is such an ugly way to
include the classification, it only tags spam messages, since you
probably don't want to reply to those.  I suppose I could change the
option to allow you to select 'none', 'ham', 'spam' and 'unsure'.  What
do other people think about this?

> add_mailid_to:body doesn't seem to work either, what should I 
> be seeing?

Nothing ;)  When things got moved around the option was broken.  It's
unlikely to be fixed, and will probably be removed.

> Some other comments:
> - Since using dumbdbm is a bad idea (it choked on my 2000 
> message training corpus), why not make pickle the default and 
> let the power-users select the db they want?

Well, from the next release dumbdbm isn't usable.  This means that
anyone that tries to use a dbm that doesn't have something better will
have no option but to use a pickle (or install something better).
Anyone using Python 2.3, though, does have something better.  This also
means that when a binary version of pop3proxy (et al) is made, bsddb
will be available.

> - Can someone create a simple command-line version of "print 
> Options.options" for those of us with no desire to use Python?

"print Options.options" gives you "<OptionsClass.OptionsClass object at
0x00E1D7F0>" (your address may differ).  Why would you want this?  Do
you want a list of all the available options, or a list of the current
options, or what?  You should be able to do all the manipulations of the
options you need via the web ui.

> - pop3proxy doesn't appear to pick up configuration changes 
> made via the webpage until it is restarted, this should be fixable.

This shouldn't be the case.  Are you certain?  (you said "appear").  If
you are, then please open a bug - with the current problems with the
list, things are likely to get lost otherwise.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 13:32:33 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:33:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeDecodeError at outlook pluging loading
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB9A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When i start my outlook 2000, the loading of spambayes module failed.
[...]
> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in 
> position 6: ordinal not in range(128)

This is being tracked here:
[ 779319 ] ntpath Unicode error
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=779319&group_
id=61702&atid=498103>

I think for the most part Mark has this fixed for the next release, but
I'm not really sure (I haven't followed it that closely).

=Tony Meyer

From seant at iname.com  Wed Aug 20 17:54:06 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:56:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
In-Reply-To: <3F41F48B.4080901@webde-ag.de>
Message-ID: <003701c3675d$36108e60$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

The triple is the database status entry. It means that the loop might look
vaguely like:

 for key in indb.keys():
        try:
            nspam, nham = indb[key]
            .. work goes here ..
        except:
            print key, indb[key], type(indb[key]),"**********"
            continue

-- Sean

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Beyer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:58 AM
> To: Jake
> Cc: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] How to Display tokenized ham/spam scores?
> 
> 
> Jake wrote:
> > Hello there,
> > 
> > How can i display the actual ham/spam scoring for words/tokens
> > ble)?    --- the ones that get written into the hammie.db for
> > classification.
> 
> for the dbm version of the stored you can do this:
> open the dbm file, iterate over the keys (which is the token)
> for each key extract a python object, which is a pickled
> object (for most cases a 2-tuple (ham and spam count
> for the key, sometimes a 3-tuple, but I dont know yet why)
> 
> So you can extract the ham/spam count for each token (roughly
> a token is a word from a mail plus special words, like how
> many entries have been in the to: and cc: filed of the header).
> 
> > Am interested on how the algorithm works exactly.
> 
> read the source, it is very annotated whith comments that
> say, why something is done.
> 
> 	hope this helps
> 	Joerg
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 



From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 21:49:21 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Aug 24 21:02:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <200308241904.h7OJ4Ni05604@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEPDFGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Bill Yerazunis]
> You aren't keeping up with the CRM114 code base.  :)

Indeed, I stopped paying attention to that at about the same time I had to
stop paying attention to the spambayes code base <wink/sigh>.

> In particular, the new format (hash, key, value) doesn't use a
> predefined number of buckets; when autogrooming or microgrooming is
> enabled, even CRM114 doesn't quite know how many buckets are active.

Well, a quick scan of the current CRM114 home page, FAQ and README didn't
turn up anything about those, so I guess understanding requires
reverse-engineering the source code?  That's fair if so, I just don't have
time for it.  You have a knack for unique terminology <wink -- but google
never heard of microgrooming, and associates autogrooming with monkeys and
bees>.

...

>> I'd rather defend SB on that count, as SB's scores are associated
>> with non-hashed tokens, and there's indeed no limit on how big a SB
>> database can get.

> Same in CRM114; until you hit something big enough that you need
> lseek, it's Not An Issue.  In fact (again, if autogrooming or
> microgrooming is on) it's _better_ to be bigger.

There's a long thread waiting there; maybe later!


From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Sun Aug 24 03:25:26 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Sun Aug 24 22:08:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <r02000100-1026-28F41867D4EE11D7A184000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
References: <r02000100-1026-28F41867D4EE11D7A184000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>
Message-ID: <1061648726.1163.14.camel@rebirth>

On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 10:15, Thomas Juntunen wrote:
<snip>
> I am not all that qualified to say, but the description of this patent
> -- filed in 1998 -- sounds a lot like the Bayesian, or naive Bayesian,
> technique to me.
<snip>

Software patents, by their very nature, are aggressively and malignantly
cancerous towards the open source community, in spirit and in practice.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were already patents for such
elementary programming elements as classes, functions, or many basic
concepts on which Python is built.

IMHO, there are two ways to approach the whole issue of patents:

1) Go into fear and trepidation. Every time you think of an algorithm,
or write more than five lines of code, do an extensive search of the
patents databases to make sure you're not infringing. Every time you do
something even mildly creative, patent it. If someone does the same
thing elsewhere, sue them (or if you don't have the money, sell your
patent to someone who does). Buy in to the whole shebang.

2) Think, create, code, as if software patents don't even exist. If you
receive a C&D letter, transfer the hosting of the software to a
jurisdiction that doesn't entertain this perverse over-extension of
intellectual property.

It is by the fear and trepidation of users cringing under the patents
threat, and abdicating their personal power one by one, that the menace
will succeed.

It is by millions of open source developers practising civil
disobedience that the software patents regime will be exposed as the
farce it is.

The more patent-infringing code that hits the public domain and
open-source domain, and the more establishment organisations that
benefit from this code, the greater the pressure will be for a
comprehensive repeal of this stupidity.

    First they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up 
    'cause I wasn't a Jew.
       And then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't 
    speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.
       And they came for the trade unionists. I didn't speak 
    up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
       They came for the Communists. I didn't speak up 
    'cause I wasn't a Communist.
       And by the time they came for me, there was nobody 
    left to speak up.

Regards
David


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon Aug 25 15:51:18 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Mon Aug 25 00:53:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which Servers are needed by SpamBayes? 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB6D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308250451.h7P4pIWl021700@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Meyer, Tony" wrote
> Neither Mark nor I can see how this could be possible.  Some things to
> check:
> 
>  * If you ping spambayes.sourceforge.net, do you also connect to it and
> not somewhere else?  Maybe you have a screwy dns or something along the
> way?

For what it's worth, I noticed that the website was unavailable for various
chunks of time over the weekend. I assume something went wrong at SF (maybe
the bloody email virus).

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From NAVMSE-EXCALIBUR at KendallGroup.com  Mon Aug 25 03:03:36 2003
From: NAVMSE-EXCALIBUR at KendallGroup.com (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-EXCALIBUR)
Date: Mon Aug 25 02:05:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a
	message yo u sent.
Message-ID: <8BCC6926800BD711B848000802A3A510012D04CB@mail.fitzpatrick.com>

Recipient of the infected attachment:  Dwight Bird\Inbox
Subject of the message:  Your details
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From: NAVMSE-EXCALIBUR at KendallGroup.com (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-EXCALIBUR)
Date: Mon Aug 25 02:05:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a
	message yo u sent.
Message-ID: <8BCC6926800BD711B848000802A3A510012D04CA@mail.fitzpatrick.com>

Recipient of the infected attachment:  Hugh Pierson\Inbox
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From: NAVMSE-EXCALIBUR at KendallGroup.com (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-EXCALIBUR)
Date: Mon Aug 25 02:05:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a
	message yo u sent.
Message-ID: <8BCC6926800BD711B848000802A3A510012D04C9@mail.fitzpatrick.com>

Recipient of the infected attachment:  Nan Johnson\Inbox
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From ekball at rogers.com  Mon Aug 25 03:32:48 2003
From: ekball at rogers.com (Eric and Kimberley Ball)
Date: Mon Aug 25 02:33:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy notate_to okay for spam,
	nothing for ham/unsure
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <002701c36ad2$b48ef510$6400a8c0@athlonxp>

> This is a feature, not a bug ;) Because notate_to is such an ugly way to
> include the classification, it only tags spam messages, since you
> probably don't want to reply to those.  I suppose I could change the
> option to allow you to select 'none', 'ham', 'spam' and 'unsure'.  What
> do other people think about this?

It shouldn't be difficult to be able to provide a list.  Thus
notate_to = spam (only tags spam)
notate_to = all (tags all three)
etc.

This has been opened in tracker as #793837


> add_mailid_to:body doesn't seem to work either, what should I
> be seeing?

> Nothing ;)  When things got moved around the option was broken.  It's
> unlikely to be fixed, and will probably be removed.

Then the docs & webpage need to be updated.  I assume this then breaks
smtp_proxy for Outlook Express.

> - Can someone create a simple command-line version of "print
> Options.options" for those of us with no desire to use Python?

> "print Options.options" gives you "<OptionsClass.OptionsClass object at
> 0x00E1D7F0>" (your address may differ).  Why would you want this?  Do
> you want a list of all the available options, or a list of the current
> options, or what?  You should be able to do all the manipulations of the
> options you need via the web ui.

Sorry, I wasn't referring to that command, but the Python code to list the
options.  Are all of the options (relevant to pop3proxy) changable via the
web interface?

> - pop3proxy doesn't appear to pick up configuration changes
> made via the webpage until it is restarted, this should be fixable.
> This shouldn't be the case.  Are you certain?  (you said "appear").  If
> you are, then please open a bug - with the current problems with the
> list, things are likely to get lost otherwise.

IIRC it didn't pick up the notate_to change.  But it could have equally been
a mistake on my part.

I also posted a bug #793844 for TOP vs RETR, to which was replied:

This shouldn't be a problem in general use cases, if it's a specific
problem, then you'll have to figure out a way around it (feel free to ask
for advice).

I ran into this with Outlook Express and it's "Delete From Server" rule
(testing on to contains 'spam').  Something for the docs.



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon Aug 25 19:48:40 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 25 02:49:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy notate_to okay for spam,
	nothing for ham/unsure
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAD56@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> It shouldn't be difficult to be able to provide a list.  Thus 
> notate_to = spam (only tags spam) notate_to = all (tags all 
> three) etc.
> 
> This has been opened in tracker as #793837

I'll try to get this done shortly.  We're planning the next release at
the moment, so it should squeak into that.

> > add_mailid_to:body doesn't seem to work either, what should I be 
> > seeing?
[...]
> Then the docs & webpage need to be updated.

Yes they do.  I've started on this.

> I assume this then breaks smtp_proxy for Outlook Express.

It breaks the old smtpproxy (well, it will still proxy the mail, it just
won't be able to train).  The new smtpproxy can train on whatever you
send it, so will still work, but it isn't recommended for OE users
because the forwarded mail isn't exactly the same as the received mail.
OE just really makes things too difficult.

> Sorry, I wasn't referring to that command, but the Python 
> code to list the options.  Are all of the options (relevant 
> to pop3proxy) changeable via the web interface?

Yes and no.  Everything that you're likely to want to change is exposed.
There are gazillons more options, though, but a lot of these are really
complicated ones to do with the tokenization.  There is a feature
request open to have an 'advanced' config page with the options that are
tricky but not too tricky.  I like that idea (and will probably end up
squeezing it into the next release, too) more than having
yet-another-script.

> IIRC it didn't pick up the notate_to change.  But it could 
> have equally been a mistake on my part.

If you do notice it again (or can reproduce it), then please do make
sure that you let us know.  (I wasn't saying that it isn't possible,
just that it shouldn't be :)

> I also posted a bug #793844 for TOP vs RETR, to which was replied:
[...]
> I ran into this with Outlook Express and it's "Delete From 
> Server" rule (testing on to contains 'spam').  Something for the docs.

I didn't even realise that such a rule was possible in OE.  I presume
then that this means that OE does a TOP and then (if the rule fits)
deletes it from the server without ever doing a RETR?  I'll try and find
somewhere in the docs for this to go, too (thanks).

=Tony Meyer

From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 24 14:29:00 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 25 05:38:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Exception: UnicodeDecodeError
Message-ID: <trbhkv0f1uht158i9sf2rjoikn6t2isa3e@4ax.com>

Hi Harri,

> X-Spambayes-Exception: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError

This is fixed in CVS.  See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-August/006779.html

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From job at webde-ag.de  Mon Aug 25 12:43:24 2003
From: job at webde-ag.de (Joerg Beyer)
Date: Mon Aug 25 05:44:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enquiry
In-Reply-To: <1061366654.12760.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1061366654.12760.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3F49DA3C.7030508@webde-ag.de>

damian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am having a problem with spambayes. I keep getting error(from
> procmail.log) that says 'ImportError: No module named
> spambayes.hammiebulk'
> 
> Any idea why?


yes, python could not find your module spambayes. Where have you
installed the it? Do you have installed more than one python?
Use the pyton that ist started from procmail and try to import
spambayes.hammiebulk from the python shell. This has to
work.

	hope this helps
	Joerg



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Aug 25 22:36:49 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 25 07:37:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeDecodeError at outlook pluging loading
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAB9A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <014801c36afd$2cf6d570$f502a8c0@eden>

> > When i start my outlook 2000, the loading of spambayes 
> module failed.
> [...]
> > UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in 
> > position 6: ordinal not in range(128)
> 
> This is being tracked here:
> [ 779319 ] ntpath Unicode error
>
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=779319&group_id=6
1702&atid=498103>

> I think for the most part Mark has this fixed for the next release, but
> I'm not really sure (I haven't followed it that closely).

I'm afraid this is still outstanding.  I really need someone who experiences
this error to run from the source-code version.

Mark.
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From aarontay at mochamail.com  Mon Aug 25 21:33:23 2003
From: aarontay at mochamail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon Aug 25 08:42:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] corrupted database?
Message-ID: <3F4A7293.7025.274887@localhost>

Hi I'm new to spambayes, I trained it with 1000 spam and ham, and started testing.

However, 2 days later, when i tried to review and train new messages I got this messgae

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\Dibbler.py", 
line 398, in found_terminator

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", 
line 276, in onReview

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 
201, in takeMessage

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", 
line 143, in addMessage

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 
136, in addMessage

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\storage.py", 
line 268, in onAddMessage

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\storage.py", 
line 276, in train

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\classifier.py", 
line 276, in learn

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\classifier.py", 
line 411, in _add_msg

  File "D:\chat\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\storage.py", 
line 237, in _wordinfoset

  File "D:\PYTHON23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()

  File "D:\PYTHON23\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 90, in __setitem__
    self.db[key] = value

DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run 
database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')

Any thoughts?


-- Want to learn how to use 150+ free Chess programs to run 
with Winboard? Visit http://www.aarontay.per.sg/Winboard/index.html

From wsy at merl.com  Mon Aug 25 09:47:18 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Mon Aug 25 08:49:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Maybe it's too late...
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEPDFGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEPDFGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200308251247.h7PClI007560@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one@comcast.net>
   Cc: <spambayes@python.org>, <tmj@juntunen.us>
   Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:49:21 -0400
   X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
   X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
   Importance: Normal
   X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=7.0
	   tests=IN_REP_TO,RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL,X_RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,
		 FUDGE_MULTIHOP_RELAY
	   version=2.31
   X-Spam-Level: 

   [Bill Yerazunis]
   > You aren't keeping up with the CRM114 code base.  :)

   Indeed, I stopped paying attention to that at about the same time I had to
   stop paying attention to the spambayes code base <wink/sigh>.

Indeed, you'd have to have rootkitted my laptop, because those 
changes aren't even up on Sourceforge yet.  :-)

   > In particular, the new format (hash, key, value) doesn't use a
   > predefined number of buckets; when autogrooming or microgrooming is
   > enabled, even CRM114 doesn't quite know how many buckets are active.

   Well, a quick scan of the current CRM114 home page, FAQ and README didn't
   turn up anything about those, so I guess understanding requires
   reverse-engineering the source code?  That's fair if so, I just don't have
   time for it.  You have a knack for unique terminology <wink -- but google
   never heard of microgrooming, and associates autogrooming with monkeys and
   bees>.

Autogrooming - when the database gets too big ("too big" being defined 
as whatever the system manager is willing to allocate per user), then
low-significance things get tossed out of the database.

Microgrooming is autogrooming applied to very small sections (typically,
one overflow chain at a time).  The idea is that if there's a
localized "run" in the database, microgrooming forgets less than 
autogrooming does.
   ...

   >> I'd rather defend SB on that count, as SB's scores are associated
   >> with non-hashed tokens, and there's indeed no limit on how big a SB
   >> database can get.

   > Same in CRM114; until you hit something big enough that you need
   > lseek, it's Not An Issue.  In fact (again, if autogrooming or
   > microgrooming is on) it's _better_ to be bigger.

   There's a long thread waiting there; maybe later!

Um, yeah.  Later.

    -Bill Yerazunis

From richie at entrian.com  Mon Aug 25 15:53:24 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 25 09:53:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] corrupted database?
In-Reply-To: <3F4A7293.7025.274887@localhost>
References: <3F4A7293.7025.274887@localhost>
Message-ID: <g05kkvskeh0voke1lui5i79162ruu8rtgb@4ax.com>

Hi Aaron,

>   File "D:\PYTHON23\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 90, in __setitem__
>     self.db[key] = value
> 
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run 
> database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')

That's a database corruption that we've not been able to track down.  We
suspect it's a bug in either bsddb or python's bsddb interface module, and
it's being tracked here:


http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=775414&group_id=5470

The simple solution is to delete your hammie.db and retrain, I'm afraid.
Judging by the error, there's some Sleepycat utility that will attempt to
recover your database, but I don't know anything about it.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 25 09:53:41 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 25 09:54:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Seeking Peer Review - Spamish Inquisition
In-Reply-To: <1061527013.1207.19.camel@rebirth>
References: <1061527013.1207.19.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <16202.5349.839641.165607@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> The anti-spam countermeasures consist of sending back incomplete
    David> SMTP response lines, to tie up the incoming SMTP connection for
    David> any desired length of time.

Have you considered what the effect might be on a system being inundated
with spam or viruses as we are currently?  You might have dozens or hundreds
of processes (threads) dribbling responses back to the sending MTA.  All
those processes, while not doing much, might well be chewing up enough
resources to bring the machine to its knees.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 25 10:03:38 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:03:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Awfully quiet at the moment
In-Reply-To: <3F477C0E.24537.2A5494F9@localhost>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212ACFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<3F477C0E.24537.2A5494F9@localhost>
Message-ID: <16202.5946.756738.410875@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> I've noticed that the amount of spam I receive has really been
    Brad> down lately. But now it's starting to creep back up.

Maybe spam delivery was also depressed by Sobig?

Skip

From no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com  Mon Aug 25 10:16:16 2003
From: no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (no-reply@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:19:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308251416.h7PEGGj17217@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>

The e-mail message (file: movie0045.pif) you sent to <support@ascend.com> contains a virus (WORM_SOBIG.F).

From no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com  Mon Aug 25 10:21:39 2003
From: no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (no-reply@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:22:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308251421.h7PELdc20351@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>

The e-mail message (file: document_9446.pif) you sent to <support@ascend.com> contains a virus (WORM_SOBIG.F).

From no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com  Mon Aug 25 10:30:47 2003
From: no-reply at ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (no-reply@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:32:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200308251430.h7PEUkc25979@ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com>

The e-mail message (file: thank_you.pif) you sent to <support@ascend.com> contains a virus (WORM_SOBIG.F).

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 25 10:55:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:56:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] corrupted database?
In-Reply-To: <g05kkvskeh0voke1lui5i79162ruu8rtgb@4ax.com>
References: <3F4A7293.7025.274887@localhost>
	<g05kkvskeh0voke1lui5i79162ruu8rtgb@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <16202.9032.154627.174040@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Richie> The simple solution is to delete your hammie.db and retrain, I'm
    Richie> afraid.  Judging by the error, there's some Sleepycat utility
    Richie> that will attempt to recover your database, but I don't know
    Richie> anything about it.

Yeah, it's called db_recover.  I sort of doubt it's on Aaron's Windows
machine though, unless the full Sleepycat doo-daa is installed as part of
the Python Windows installer.  If you have cygwin it should be fairly easy
to build Berkeley DB 4.1.25 from source.  I presume it will be able to
fiddle with the files generated by SpamBayes.

Skip


From dwalker at kidsbh.com  Mon Aug 25 13:32:23 2003
From: dwalker at kidsbh.com (Dan Walker)
Date: Mon Aug 25 14:33:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000001c36b37$3e301e20$0200a8c0@copperhills>

Is it possible to delete the mail in the spam folder, or will that ruin
the database?
 
Dan
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From beckman at purplecow.com  Mon Aug 25 16:02:15 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Mon Aug 25 15:07:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000001c36b37$3e301e20$0200a8c0@copperhills>
References: <000001c36b37$3e301e20$0200a8c0@copperhills>
Message-ID: <20030825150150.C8615@thermonuclear.org>

Your spam folder has nothing to do with the database.

The database is stored 100% separately from your spam, so you can delete
your spam at will.

Peter

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Dan Walker wrote:

> Is it possible to delete the mail in the spam folder, or will that ruin
> the database?
>
> Dan
>

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From mark.tabash at novacolor.ca  Mon Aug 25 17:30:18 2003
From: mark.tabash at novacolor.ca (Mark Tabash)
Date: Mon Aug 25 16:30:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
Message-ID: <200308251630.18299.mark.tabash@novacolor.ca>

Hello,

I'm running spambayes version 1.0a4 on Windows. It was working ok for over 
week. Now I'm getting an error message in the email my headers:
X-Spambayes-Exception: bsddb._DBRunRecoveryError ((-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: 
Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected;
run recovery')) in __getitem__() at C:\PTYTHON23\lib\bsddb\__init.py
line 86: return self.db[key]

So because of this I can no longer tell if the incoming email is ham or spam.

Any clues?

Thanks,

Mark T.

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 25 16:54:22 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 25 16:54:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
In-Reply-To: <200308251630.18299.mark.tabash@novacolor.ca>
References: <200308251630.18299.mark.tabash@novacolor.ca>
Message-ID: <16202.30590.705370.358704@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Mark> I'm running spambayes version 1.0a4 on Windows. It was working ok
    Mark> for over week. Now I'm getting an error message in the email my
    Mark> headers: X-Spambayes-Exception: bsddb._DBRunRecoveryError
    Mark> ((-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery --
    Mark> fatal region error detected; run recovery')) in __getitem__() at
    Mark> C:\PTYTHON23\lib\bsddb\__init.py line 86: return self.db[key]

This came up a couple days ago, though you might not have seen it because of
Sobig.  The database is corrupted, and could presumably be fixed using the
db_recover program which comes with Sleepycat's offering.  Unfortunately,
that's not delivered with the Python installer and Sleepycat doesn't produce
a Windows binary, so you'll have to just delete your database and retrain
from scratch unless you have the means to build the Berkeley DB from source.

Skip


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Aug 25 18:21:11 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon Aug 25 17:21:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB111@SPIKE.city>

In a typical Windows site the database files would probably be in either the user's home directory or his roaming profile. Both of those would normally be backed up daily, so your system administrator might be able to recover the database for you from before it got corrupted. (At least we'd be able to do that for you at our shop.) ;^)

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:54 PM
> To: Mark Tabash
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] fatal error?
> 
> 
> 
>     Mark> I'm running spambayes version 1.0a4 on Windows. It 
> was working ok
>     Mark> for over week. Now I'm getting an error message in 
> the email my
>     Mark> headers: X-Spambayes-Exception: bsddb._DBRunRecoveryError
>     Mark> ((-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run 
> database recovery --
>     Mark> fatal region error detected; run recovery')) in 
> __getitem__() at
>     Mark> C:\PTYTHON23\lib\bsddb\__init.py line 86: return 
> self.db[key]
> 
> This came up a couple days ago, though you might not have 
> seen it because of
> Sobig.  The database is corrupted, and could presumably be 
> fixed using the
> db_recover program which comes with Sleepycat's offering.  
> Unfortunately,
> that's not delivered with the Python installer and Sleepycat 
> doesn't produce
> a Windows binary, so you'll have to just delete your database 
> and retrain
> from scratch unless you have the means to build the Berkeley 
> DB from source.
> 
> Skip
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug 25 17:52:56 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Aug 25 17:53:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB111@SPIKE.city>
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB111@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <16202.34104.713947.743814@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Bob> In a typical Windows site the database files would probably be in
    Bob> either the user's home directory or his roaming profile. 

Here at Northwestern, backup of desktop machines is the responsibility of
the individual department.  For example, my Windows PC is not backed up.  (I
don't really care, since I keep little of any importance on it.)

I sent a note to Sleepycat to see what arrangements can be made for a binary
distribution of Berkeley DB (either by them or some generous SpamBayes
user/developer).  I was surprised to see that they don't provide one.

Skip

From richie at entrian.com  Tue Aug 26 00:35:31 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 25 18:35:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
In-Reply-To: <16202.30590.705370.358704@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <200308251630.18299.mark.tabash@novacolor.ca>
	<16202.30590.705370.358704@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4g3lkvg826e74diibbvcpcecku70na7sgd@4ax.com>


[Mark]
> X-Spambayes-Exception: bsddb._DBRunRecoveryError

[Skip]
> The database is corrupted, and could presumably be fixed using the
> db_recover program which comes with Sleepycat's offering.  Unfortunately,
> that's not delivered with the Python installer and Sleepycat doesn't produce
> a Windows binary, so you'll have to just delete your database and retrain
> from scratch unless you have the means to build the Berkeley DB from source.

For what it's worth, I've built db_recover.exe and put it here:

  http://entrian.com/db_recover.zip

I couldn't make head nor tail of how to use it to recover a Spambayes
database though - it seems to expect the database to be a directory (full
of files under bsddb's control) rather than a single file.  Mark (or
anyone) if you get it to work, please could you let us know what you did?
Thanks.

I assume I'm not breaking Sleepycat's license by making a binary available
- it's build from their unaltered source, which I downloaded from:

  http://www.sleepycat.com/download/index.shtml 

If anyone thinks differently, let me know and I'll remove the file.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From j.hamill at intpower.com  Mon Aug 25 17:11:46 2003
From: j.hamill at intpower.com (James Hamill)
Date: Mon Aug 25 19:13:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in - Queries re SB filtering vs. Outlook
	Filters and high spam scores greater than thresholds not
	being sent to spam folder
Message-ID: <NDBBICHKDLGIGGNGFHNEAEMDCNAA.j.hamill@intpower.com>

I am running win 98SE and Outlook 2000 with release 0.7 Plug in.
You guys (and gals) are doing very good work! Please CONTINUE.  SpamBayes
addresses one of the toughest issues to come from the PC revolution.
A couple of inquiries:
1.) Why do E-mails with very high Spam scores, (greater than my assigned
threshold) not get moved to my assigned-spam folder.

2.) What is the interaction between SpamBayes filtering/actions and those of
Outlook's own filters/actions.  Does Spam ayes only kick in after Outlook
has filtered and taken action or does SpamBayes kick in after messages are
delivered by Outlook to the inbox it is monitoring.

3.) I had thought that SpamBayes filtering/actions might be integrated into
the Rules Wizard where it's action could be integrated by the user into an
overall filtering scheme, but this is not the case.

Jim Hamill
International Power Technology
408-246-9040  (office)   ~OR~
408-286-8693  (home)  ~OR~
408-828-8040  (cell).

jhamill@pacbell.net <mailto:jhamill@pacbell.net>   ~OR~
j.hamill@intpower.com <mailto:j.hamill@intpower.com>



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From sbismuth at digitaldays.net  Mon Aug 25 21:25:24 2003
From: sbismuth at digitaldays.net (Stephane Bismuth)
Date: Mon Aug 25 20:25:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Specific E-Mail Bombs OUTLOOK.EXE
Message-ID: <POEKKBJLNCAKDGCCCPNFGEMNCPAA.sbismuth@digitaldays.net>


Hi,

I'm running the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in 0.7 on a Windows2000 SP3 system
using Outlook2000.

The enclosed message was received in my "possible SPAM" directory and causes
OUTLOOK.EXE to fail when attempting to move it to the SPAM directory.  I
have moved hundreds of e-mails from that directory and never had a problem,
but this e-mail consistantly bombs Outlook.  I expect the message to fail on
other systems, but should it not, I can provide more detailed error
messages.

Best regards,
Stephane
______________

Stephane Bismuth
Digital Days Inc
IT Solutions for Business

Tel - 514.934.3939
Fax - 514.934.3636
Toll Free - 1.877.934.HOST
http://www.digitaldays.net
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From bruceo at bordway.org  Mon Aug 25 20:39:32 2003
From: bruceo at bordway.org (Ordway, Bruce)
Date: Mon Aug 25 20:39:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted items?
Message-ID: <FC3772AF9293A2488C780BDDB0144AA1086B2F@nitro.bordway.org>

Hi,

I really like SpamBayes except for one thing.
I'd like to dump spam directly into my deleted folder.
Is this possible?

Thanks,
Bruce

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 13:42:29 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 25 20:43:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted items?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAF6A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I really like SpamBayes except for one thing.
> I'd like to dump spam directly into my deleted folder.
> Is this possible?

See FAQ 3.10:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes
-to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 13:43:50 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 25 20:44:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAF6C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Is it possible to delete the mail in the spam folder, or will 
> that ruin the database?

Please see FAQ 3.10:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes
-to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>

And FAQ 4.6:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#do-i-need-to-keep-spam-after-
it-has-been-trained-if-so-for-how-long>

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 26 11:53:38 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Aug 25 20:54:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Specific E-Mail Bombs OUTLOOK.EXE
In-Reply-To: <POEKKBJLNCAKDGCCCPNFGEMNCPAA.sbismuth@digitaldays.net>
Message-ID: <177701c36b6c$7d0ab6c0$f502a8c0@eden>

It works fine for me.  I'm afraid I have no idea.  Can you just delete it?
If so, just do that.  You may also like to try "compressing" your .pst
folder (this can be done via the "properties" dialog of the top-level
folder) as this also fixes little internal problems that can happen in .pst
files.

If it keeps happening with other mails, and only ever with SpamBayes, I
guess there are a few things that could be going wrong, including a corrupt
database somehow causing us to crash.  In that case a full tr-train may also
solve it, but we would appreciate copies of your old database before you do
this so we can try and track it down.

Regards,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Stephane Bismuth
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 10:25 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Specific E-Mail Bombs OUTLOOK.EXE
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm running the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in 0.7 on a
> Windows2000 SP3 system
> using Outlook2000.
>
> The enclosed message was received in my "possible SPAM"
> directory and causes
> OUTLOOK.EXE to fail when attempting to move it to the SPAM
> directory.  I
> have moved hundreds of e-mails from that directory and never
> had a problem,
> but this e-mail consistantly bombs Outlook.  I expect the
> message to fail on
> other systems, but should it not, I can provide more detailed error
> messages.
>
> Best regards,
> Stephane
> ______________
>
> Stephane Bismuth
> Digital Days Inc
> IT Solutions for Business
>
> Tel - 514.934.3939
> Fax - 514.934.3636
> Toll Free - 1.877.934.HOST
> http://www.digitaldays.net
>


From monty at goodstart.com  Mon Aug 25 22:29:25 2003
From: monty at goodstart.com (monty@goodstart.com)
Date: Mon Aug 25 21:18:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes w/ outlook and nohtml.dll
Message-ID: <BKENLKGDJNIIFAKCJNGPKEBBCCAA.monty@goodstart.com>

I am on windows running the outlook plugin (0.7).

I wanted outlook to strip html from incoming email so I got the nohtml.dll
add on from:
 http://ntbugtraq.ntadvice.com/download/Nohtml.zip

Will spambayes continue to work with nohtml.dll?

Is there some other way to make outlook strip html from incoming messages
but still work with spambayes?

Regards,
Monty Kamath


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Aug 26 03:27:04 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Aug 25 21:27:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] not showing mail to train on?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822161859.00b63068@localhost>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822161859.00b63068@localhost>
Message-ID: <6qdlkv029huvr756sl0crrpup3ha8gpi90@4ax.com>

Phil,

> I am *not* seeing emails through the web interface to train on.

I believe I've now fixed this messages-not-appearing
bug.  If you're in a position to test the CVS version, I'd
appreciate it if you could verify that the fix works for you.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From Phil.Pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au  Tue Aug 26 14:14:20 2003
From: Phil.Pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au (Phil Pierotti)
Date: Mon Aug 25 23:14:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] not showing mail to train on?
In-Reply-To: <sbflkv022763aups67pepm7n9b6uhdfp16@4ax.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822161859.00b63068@localhost>
	<6qdlkv029huvr756sl0crrpup3ha8gpi90@4ax.com>
	<3F4ABA7D.4010209@swiftdsl.com.au>
	<sbflkv022763aups67pepm7n9b6uhdfp16@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <3F4AD08C.3000400@swiftdsl.com.au>

Ok, so I got to the point where I'm consistently getting the new mails 
not showing up in the training page unless I'm going to "configure & 
save" first.

- SpamBayes 1.0a4
- Python 2.3
- WindowsXP PRO
- Althon 2100+ with 1GB RAM

Then I went to CVS on SourceForge and downloaded a copy of the latest 
SpamBayes.

"SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003), using SpamBayes 
POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02"

copied over the bayescustomize.ini
- ran the pop2proxy.py (from the new CVS version of spambayes)
- sent myself an email
- POP'd it back (through Eudora)
- verified the email was processed through SpamBayes (Tagged as 'unsure')
- went to the SpamBayes admin page
- went to the Review Messages page
- no email
- went back to the admin page
- went to the config page
- saved the config without change
- went back to the Review Messages page
- can now see the email

So I'm still seeing exactly the same issue.

Thanks,
Phil P



Richie Hindle wrote:

> Hi Phil,
> 
> 
>>The question is, how best to test?
>>
>>Wait till I have the "not showing emails" problem, and then CVS down the 
>>latest and see if they now show up? Or CVS first, and assume not getting 
>>the problem (say in two weeks) means it's probably fixed?
> 
> 
> The best way would be to isolate a sequence of events that reproduces the
> problem in the version of the software that you have, then get the latest
> CVS version and carry out the same steps.
> 
> The way I reproduced the problem was like this: make a new empty
> directory, 'cd' into it, and run pop3proxy.py.  In the web interface, add
> my POP3 details and Save.  Collect some mail, then go to the Review page -
> the messages are not there.  Now go to the Configuration page and hit
> Save.  Go back to Review and see that the messages have appeared.  Collect
> mail again and hit refresh - the new messages do not appear.
> 
> All that said, I'm sure I've fixed the problems I've described above.
> What I'm *not* sure of is whether I've fixed the exact problem you were
> having.  So even if you were to carry out those steps and verify that the
> bug was fixed, we couldn't be sure that your original problem is fixed.
> 
> The upshot is, either of the two methods you suggest are good.  8-)
> 



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 16:17:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 25 23:18:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] not showing mail to train on?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB037@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Then I went to CVS on SourceForge and downloaded a copy of the latest 
> SpamBayes.
[...]
> So I'm still seeing exactly the same issue.

How latest is your latest?  Sourceforge is still running anonymous CVS
off their up-to-24-hours-late server, and Richie only checked in the fix
this morning (well, morning in NZ).  Do you definitely have pop3proxy
v1.93?

=Tony Meyer

From Phil.Pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au  Tue Aug 26 14:28:23 2003
From: Phil.Pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au (Phil Pierotti)
Date: Mon Aug 25 23:28:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] not showing mail to train on?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB037@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB037@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3F4AD3D7.6010300@swiftdsl.com.au>

When I load the proxy which I downloaded from CVS, it says

"SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)."

Clearly not what Richie uploaded this morning.

Other than Sourceforge, where do I grab "the real CVS" of SpamBayes?

Thanks,
PhiL P

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>>Then I went to CVS on SourceForge and downloaded a copy of the latest 
>>SpamBayes.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>So I'm still seeing exactly the same issue.
> 
> 
> How latest is your latest?  Sourceforge is still running anonymous CVS
> off their up-to-24-hours-late server, and Richie only checked in the fix
> this morning (well, morning in NZ).  Do you definitely have pop3proxy
> v1.93?
> 
> =Tony Meyer
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 16:35:29 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon Aug 25 23:37:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] not showing mail to train on?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB04E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I load the proxy which I downloaded from CVS, it says
> 
> "SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
> using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02 
> and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)."
> 
> Clearly not what Richie uploaded this morning.

Actually, that won't change whatever the cvs version (a weakness that I
don't see how we can easily get around).  Looking at viewcvs on sf,
though, it's only showing v1.90, so you're right that you won't have it.

> Other than Sourceforge, where do I grab "the real CVS" of SpamBayes?

Unfortunately nowhere.  (sf has said that they're fixing the problem so
that anonymous cvs gets back to being reliable, though).  I'll mail you
a copy off-list.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 19:58:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 02:59:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB110@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The attached zip file contains the results of the smtpproxy 
> logging I added
[...]
> There doesn't seem to be much difference. 
> Both get the expected 221 response to QUIT.

I've finally managed to find time to have a proper look at this.  I've
checked in a much improved version of smtpproxy, which includes a couple
of bug fixes.  It's possible that these have fixed this problem,
although I'm not sure that it will have.

(It will appear in anonymous cvs any time between now and this time
tomorrow).

In any case, smtpproxy definitely works for me with Eudora 5.2 on
Windows XP, although if the problem is related to Norton Anti-virus (I
don't see how) it might still be there; I don't have it to test.

The log was strange - it looked like the QUIT command was sent and
received ok, but an additional empty command was sent after the QUIT (a
blank line does give that response from a SMTP server).  smtpproxy might
have been doing this, but it doesn't appear to be doing so now.

Anyway, if you could check out the latest version (once sf has it
available), that would be great.  If it doesn't work, then adding this:
"""
                print "pulled", self.request
                print "pushed", cooked + '\r\n'
"""

After line 331 ("self.serverSocket.push(cooked + '\r\n')") will print
out information that should be sufficient for me to track it down.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 20:20:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 03:20:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes w/ outlook and nohtml.dll
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB113@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I wanted outlook to strip html from incoming email so I got 
> the nohtml.dll add on from:  
> http://ntbugtraq.ntadvice.com/download/Nohtml.> zip
> 
> Will spambayes continue to work with nohtml.dll?

It works fine for me using the cvs version of the plug-in, so it should
work for you, too.

Caveat: I installed the nohtml addin, restarted Outlook and sent myself
an unsure message in html.  It got filtered into the unsure folder and
displayed as text, so I believe it all works...no further testing was
done.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 20:25:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 03:26:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in - Queries re SB filtering vs.
	OutlookFilters and high spam scores greater than thresholds
	notbeing sent to spam folder
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB116@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1.) Why do E-mails with very high Spam scores, (greater than 
> my assigned threshold) not get moved to my assigned-spam folder.

Does this happen with all mail that scores this high, or just sometimes?
Does it display the spam score and not filter, or fail to score and
filter?

> 2.) What is the interaction between SpamBayes 
> filtering/actions and those of Outlook's own filters/actions.

Unfortunately this is undefined.  Spambayes kicks in as soon as Outlook
tells it that a message has arrived.  When Outlook decides to do this
depends on a whole heap of things, including how busy the machine
currently is.  You should probably take a look at the timer options in
the configuration page (from the about page that you can get to via the
main dialog), which solve some of these problems (they make spambayes
kick in after all the rules).  Although they're experimental in the 007
release, they've made it into the mainstream for the next release (due
reasonably soon).

> 3.) I had thought that SpamBayes filtering/actions might be 
> integrated into the Rules Wizard where it's action could be
> integrated by the user into an overall filtering scheme, but
> this is not the case.

If this could be done, it would make Mark's life much easier as well as
making using spambayes easier.  Unfortunately Outlook doesn't expose the
right stuff to make this possible.  This is really in Microsoft's court,
although some people have discussed building an entirely new Outlook
filtering system that spambayes could slot into.

=Tony Meyer

From Rainer.Scherg at boschrexroth.de  Tue Aug 26 10:56:50 2003
From: Rainer.Scherg at boschrexroth.de (Rainer.Scherg@boschrexroth.de)
Date: Tue Aug 26 04:02:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes, doing a great job,
	but stalling on high mail load
Message-ID: <BF3A474AC04895428944668619196C8A04B2665E@exc-msp-w1s>

Hi,

using spambayes  V007 (outlook plugin), it is doing a great job
filtering all this Sobig.F mails.  Thanx for that a lot!


But here is a small bug report:

Over weekends the outlook plugin had to filter about 6000 emails
(due Sobig.F attacks) to my spam folder  (currently @2000 spam
mails a day - my normal spam rate is 150 mails/day).

So, here is the bug report: ;-)

After filtering @1500 mails the outlook plugin stalls and doesn't
filter anymore. A restart of outlook solves this problem and 
spambayes continues to filter messages. So it is not a servere
problem, because normally you don't get such much spam (hopefully).


Is there any way I can help you or give your more detailled
information on this bug?


cu

 Rainer


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 26 19:17:24 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 26 04:17:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes, doing a great job,
	but stalling on high mail load
In-Reply-To: <BF3A474AC04895428944668619196C8A04B2665E@exc-msp-w1s>
Message-ID: <009a01c36baa$7d24c540$f502a8c0@eden>

Only 2000 a day over the last week?  Pffft.  I was around 15,000.  No wonder
my ISP rang me :)

Could you please see the troubleshooting guide, and send all the log files
in your temp directory?

My SpamBayes here saw about 14,000 mails in one session and was still going
strong when I shut down for other reasons.

Thanks,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of
> Rainer.Scherg@boschrexroth.de
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 5:57 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes, doing a great job,but stalling on high
> mail load
>
>
> Hi,
>
> using spambayes  V007 (outlook plugin), it is doing a great job
> filtering all this Sobig.F mails.  Thanx for that a lot!
>
>
> But here is a small bug report:
>
> Over weekends the outlook plugin had to filter about 6000 emails
> (due Sobig.F attacks) to my spam folder  (currently @2000 spam
> mails a day - my normal spam rate is 150 mails/day).
>
> So, here is the bug report: ;-)
>
> After filtering @1500 mails the outlook plugin stalls and doesn't
> filter anymore. A restart of outlook solves this problem and
> spambayes continues to filter messages. So it is not a servere
> problem, because normally you don't get such much spam (hopefully).
>
>
> Is there any way I can help you or give your more detailled
> information on this bug?
>
>
> cu
>
>  Rainer
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 26 08:46:32 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 26 07:46:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB112@SPIKE.city>

> From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:53 PM
> To: Coe, Bob
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] fatal error?
> 
>     Bob> In a typical Windows site the database files would probably be
>     Bob> in either the user's home directory or his roaming profile. 
> 
> Here at Northwestern, backup of desktop machines is the responsibility
> of the individual department.  For example, my Windows PC is not backed
> up.  (I don't really care, since I keep little of any importance on it.)
> 
> ...
> 
> Skip

Well, that's my point. Roaming profiles (by definition) and user home directories (by widespread convention) are stored on a server, which greatly increases the probability that someone other than the user himself will have backed them up. If I'm not mistaken, the Spambayes default is to put the database in the user's roaming profile.

Bob

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Aug 26 22:54:22 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 26 07:54:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB112@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <044a01c36bc8$cad19570$f502a8c0@eden>

> Well, that's my point. Roaming profiles (by definition) and 
> user home directories (by widespread convention) are stored 
> on a server, which greatly increases the probability that 
> someone other than the user himself will have backed them up. 
> If I'm not mistaken, the Spambayes default is to put the 
> database in the user's roaming profile.

Currently only the Outlook plugin does this.  I expect that by the time
pop3proxy etc are released in binary form, they too will store their profile
and configuration information in this same directory.

Mark.
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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Tue Aug 26 08:56:18 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Tue Aug 26 07:56:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] fatal error?
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB112@SPIKE.city>

> From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:53 PM
> To: Coe, Bob
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] fatal error?
> 
>     Bob> In a typical Windows site the database files would probably be
>     Bob> in either the user's home directory or his roaming profile. 
> 
> Here at Northwestern, backup of desktop machines is the responsibility
> of the individual department.  For example, my Windows PC is not backed
> up.  (I don't really care, since I keep little of any importance on it.)
> 
> ...
> 
> Skip

Well, that's my point. Roaming profiles (by definition) and user home directories (by widespread convention) are stored on a server, which greatly increases the probability that someone other than the user himself will have backed them up. If I'm not mistaken, the Spambayes default is to put the database in the user's roaming profile.

Bob

From ekball at rogers.com  Tue Aug 26 08:49:08 2003
From: ekball at rogers.com (Eric and Kimberley Ball)
Date: Tue Aug 26 08:53:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy TOP vs RETR
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDAD56@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <000401c36bd0$eff02c10$6400a8c0@athlonxp>

> I also posted a bug #793844 for TOP vs RETR, to which was replied:
[...]
> I ran into this with Outlook Express and it's "Delete From 
> Server" rule (testing on to contains 'spam').  Something for the docs.

> I didn't even realise that such a rule was possible in OE.  I presume
> then that this means that OE does a TOP and then (if the rule fits)
> deletes it from the server without ever doing a RETR?  I'll try and find
> somewhere in the docs for this to go, too (thanks).

Yes, that is what "Delete From Server" appears to do.


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 26 09:18:37 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 26 09:18:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
Message-ID: <16203.24109.977518.948882@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I changed the footer for both the digest and non-digest versions of the list
to include an admonition that people check the FAQ before posting
questions.  This is a check that I didn't screw it up somehow.

Skip

From w9fz at ix.netcom.com  Tue Aug 26 09:36:29 2003
From: w9fz at ix.netcom.com (Bruce Richardson)
Date: Tue Aug 26 09:36:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Brief talkthrough on running as a service on Win2k?
Message-ID: <00a001c36bd7$0fad9280$06d2a8c0@thehip>

Hi there:
I've prowled the FAQ and don't find quite the guidance I'm looking for
and will take nudges in the right direction.

Say, I see that there is a "service" I can run so that I don't have to
run pop3proxy in a python window every time on my Win2k machine.  So
what do I do?  Add the "service" program to my startup group?  Will
that do it?  Or do I need to set some options?

I'm running Win2k and use Outlook Express.  So far I've been happy
with how it's working.  Only problem I'm having is that if I compose
more than one message off line, then when I send the messages, the
SMTP only accepts one message and then disconnects.  I have to
reconnect as many times as their are messages.  If there are too many,
I get a warning from my real SMTP server that there are too many open
connections from my address and that I should wait awhile.

Really, my post here is about the "service" and I'll follow up with
the SMTP problem later.
Thanks in advance.

Bruce Richardson - W9FZ

Two cows in a field. One says, "Moo!"; the other says, "Bastard, I was
going to say that". - Alexi Sayle


From aarontay at mochamail.com  Tue Aug 26 22:43:15 2003
From: aarontay at mochamail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue Aug 26 09:41:19 2003
Subject: [mailinglist] Re: [Spambayes] corrupted database?
In-Reply-To: <g05kkvskeh0voke1lui5i79162ruu8rtgb@4ax.com>
References: <3F4A7293.7025.274887@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F4BD473.88.533EB8@localhost>

On 25 Aug 2003 at 14:53, Richie Hindle wrote:

Hi

> That's a database corruption that we've not been able to track down. 
> We suspect it's a bug in either bsddb or python's bsddb interface
> module, and it's being tracked here:
> 
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=775414&gro
> up_id=5470
> 
> The simple solution is to delete your hammie.db and retrain, I'm
> afraid. Judging by the error, there's some Sleepycat utility that will
> attempt to recover your database, but I don't know anything about it.

Okay thanks, guess i'll wait untill you figure out this bug and get a more stable build out.


Aaron


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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 27 00:45:31 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 26 09:45:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Brief talkthrough on running as a service on Win2k?
In-Reply-To: <00a001c36bd7$0fad9280$06d2a8c0@thehip>
Message-ID: <021901c36bd8$51c26c30$f502a8c0@eden>

> Say, I see that there is a "service" I can run so that I don't have to
> run pop3proxy in a python window every time on my Win2k machine.  So
> what do I do?  Add the "service" program to my startup group?  Will
> that do it?  Or do I need to set some options?

You change to the windows directory and run:

python pop3proxy_service.py install

To install the service.  You can then use Control Panel->Admin
Tools->Services to start it, have it start automatically etc. (You can also
run "python pop3proxy_service.py start" to start it)

> Really, my post here is about the "service" and I'll follow up with
> the SMTP problem later.

Good, as I have no idea about the other SMTP problem :)

Mark.


From benion at hortonweb.com  Tue Aug 26 11:49:35 2003
From: benion at hortonweb.com (Benion S. Horton, MD)
Date: Tue Aug 26 10:47:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express version?
Message-ID: <NLEMLGPIGHJOMJGKNDLNKEIDDFAA.benion@hortonweb.com>

Will you be developing a version for Outlook Express? I've used in on my
Outlook at work for about a week now and love it... My wife wants it for her
computer at home, and she uses Outlook Express.

Thanks,

* Ben Horton
* Crisp Women's Health Care
* 415 East 4th Avenue, Suite B
* Cordele, Georgia 31015
* (229) 276-1778
* (229) 276-1590 (Fax)
www.crispwomenshealthcare.com

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From beckman at purplecow.com  Tue Aug 26 12:03:33 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Tue Aug 26 11:05:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .spambayesrc setting for spam_cutoff
Message-ID: <20030826110121.B8615@thermonuclear.org>

Hey --

Here's my .spambayesrc:
#
[hammiefilter]
persistent_use_database = True
persistent_storage_file = /home/beckman/.hammiedb
#
#[hammie]
#train_on_filter = True
#spam_cutoff = 0.80

I had to remove spam_cutoff under hammie because it caused pine to become
unstable (why?).  Where does spam_cutoff go?  Did I put it in the right
place?  If so, why did pine become unstable?

Thanks,

Peter, who's unsure box is full of stuff greater than or equal to 0.80 and
isn't unsure it is spam.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Beckman                                                  Internet Guy
beckman@purplecow.com                             http://www.purplecow.com/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From jpoe at fulcrumit.com  Tue Aug 26 09:11:00 2003
From: jpoe at fulcrumit.com (Jim Poe)
Date: Tue Aug 26 11:14:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Brief talkthrough on running as a service on Win2k?
References: <00a001c36bd7$0fad9280$06d2a8c0@thehip>
Message-ID: <000d01c36be4$42638600$800101df@fulcrumit.com>

Hi Bruce,

One caveat concerning the service.  It does not start the smtp proxy without
doing some additional programming.

I recently installed the Spambayes service and set it to automatic.  I have
not made the necessary changes to automatically start the smtp proxy.  I am
running without it, but as far as I can see, it was only necessary if you
wanted to use it to train with.  I currently use the web interface for
training.

Hope this helps.

Jim Poe
Fulcrum InteTech, Inc.
<jpoe@fulcrumit.com>

Screensaver or Lifesaver: http://www.ud.com
Use spare CPU to assist in cancer research.


From jpoe at fulcrumit.com  Tue Aug 26 09:21:04 2003
From: jpoe at fulcrumit.com (Jim Poe)
Date: Tue Aug 26 11:24:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express version?
References: <NLEMLGPIGHJOMJGKNDLNKEIDDFAA.benion@hortonweb.com>
Message-ID: <002601c36be5$aa698230$800101df@fulcrumit.com>

Hi Ben,

I recently installed Spambayes on my work computer running W2K and Outlook
Express.  I installed it as a service,

'python pop3proxy_service.py install'

On the configure page, I set 'Notate To = Yes'.

In Outlook Express, my first rule is 'Spambayes List: To contains
'spambayes@python.org''.  My second rule is 'Spambayes Spam: To contains
'spam''.

Hope this helps.

Jim Poe
Fulcrum InteTech, Inc.
<jpoe@fulcrumit.com>

Screensaver or Lifesaver: http://www.ud.com
Use spare CPU to assist in cancer research.


From MAILSERVER-SA at TimesFreePress.com  Tue Aug 26 12:41:30 2003
From: MAILSERVER-SA at TimesFreePress.com (System Attendant)
Date: Tue Aug 26 11:42:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [MailServer Notification]To Sender file blocking
	settings matched and action was taken.
Message-ID: <99F9F9F9CEB4BB4E9F889FBA3188D9960482E56D@mailserver.intranet.com>

ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange took action on the message.  The message
details were: 
Sender = SpamBayes@python.org
Recipient(s) = jwalton@timesfreepress.com;
Subject = Re: Wicked screensaver
Scanning time = 08/26/2003 11:41:29
Engine/Pattern = 6.640-1001/620

Action taken on message:
The attachment thank_you.pif matched file blocking settings. ScanMail took
the action: Deleted. 

Warning - This message has been sent to notify you that you sent the
following file attachment that may be infected with a virus or was blocked
because this type of file is not allowed to pass through our company E-mail
system. The original file attachment and/or original E-mail message has been
deleted.

Date/Time: 08/26/2003 at 11:41 AM
From: SpamBayes@python.org
To: jwalton@timesfreepress.com;
Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
File/Action: thank_you.pif/Deleted 


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 26 12:19:17 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Aug 26 12:19:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express version?
In-Reply-To: <NLEMLGPIGHJOMJGKNDLNKEIDDFAA.benion@hortonweb.com>
References: <NLEMLGPIGHJOMJGKNDLNKEIDDFAA.benion@hortonweb.com>
Message-ID: <16203.34949.399311.118148@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Ben> Will you be developing a version for Outlook Express? 

FAQ, question 2.1.  Link at the bottom of the message...

Skip

From hal.rottenberg at hp.com  Tue Aug 26 11:52:16 2003
From: hal.rottenberg at hp.com (ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1))
Date: Tue Aug 26 13:52:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 and Exchange 5.5
Message-ID: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBBD@xatl01.atl.hp.com>

Hi,

I've read the FAQ and troubleshooting steps.  Here's the problem I'm having.
Spam is filtered and tagged with a spam score when I start Outlook--but new
messages received during the day while Outlook is open do not get filtered
(or scored as far as I can tell).  Filtering is enabled, spam, ham and
possible spam folders are configured and work correctly at Outlook startup
(i.e. I see new messages in the spam folder).  I enabled the Spam field on
my Inbox and the new messages received while Outlook is up _do not_ have a
spam score.

I tried looking at the archives but did not see a searchable index and
browsing was tedious, so I apologize if this is a known issue.  (P.S. is
there a searchable index aside from google?)

Mailer: Outlook 2003 beta 2
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003) starting (with
engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]

Log attached.  Anyone have any ideas?

Hal Rottenberg
Windows Delivery Engineer
Hewlett-Packard
404-774-4041

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From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Tue Aug 26 14:55:57 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Tue Aug 26 13:56:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 and Exchange 5.5
In-Reply-To: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBBD@xatl01.atl.hp.com>
Message-ID: <20030826175607.4A54C13E269@sack.dreamhost.com>

Make sure you have installed the technical refresh for outlook 2003.
Otherwise outlook does not pump events to the add-in.

Thanks,
Adam Walker

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1)
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:52 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 and Exchange 5.5
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've read the FAQ and troubleshooting steps.  Here's the problem I'm
> having.
> Spam is filtered and tagged with a spam score when I start Outlook--but
> new
> messages received during the day while Outlook is open do not get filtered
> (or scored as far as I can tell).  Filtering is enabled, spam, ham and
> possible spam folders are configured and work correctly at Outlook startup
> (i.e. I see new messages in the spam folder).  I enabled the Spam field on
> my Inbox and the new messages received while Outlook is up _do not_ have a
> spam score.
> 
> I tried looking at the archives but did not see a searchable index and
> browsing was tedious, so I apologize if this is a known issue.  (P.S. is
> there a searchable index aside from google?)
> 
> Mailer: Outlook 2003 beta 2
> SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.7 (August 9, 2003) starting
> (with
> engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
> on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
> using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
> 
> Log attached.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Hal Rottenberg
> Windows Delivery Engineer
> Hewlett-Packard
> 404-774-4041



From jwaldron at jaxdocs.com  Tue Aug 26 16:00:17 2003
From: jwaldron at jaxdocs.com (James S. Waldron)
Date: Tue Aug 26 15:00:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Will not move Spam to "Spam" mailbox;
	will not accept edit
Message-ID: <EABC7D76EDF1564BBC9B507DE766AEE7E87C@fcfp2.FCFP>

This problem has arisen after ~ six weeks of very good work.

System was set to move spam to mailbox "Spam"; configuration of filter
definition now (suddenly) shows "Spam managed in '<unknown folder>", and
will not accept a change when filter definition attempted.  Uncertain spam
is sucessfully moved to folder "Spam Maybe" and works fine.

Haven't tried to uninstall and reinstall; can't find if data is lost or
preserved when that's done, and don't want to start from scratch if that's
avoidable.

Any clues?



Jim Waldron
mailto:\\jwaldron@jaxdocs.com

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From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Tue Aug 26 16:50:12 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Tue Aug 26 15:50:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Will not move Spam to "Spam" mailbox;
	will not accept edit
In-Reply-To: <EABC7D76EDF1564BBC9B507DE766AEE7E87C@fcfp2.FCFP>
Message-ID: <20030826195024.92A6F13E25C@sack.dreamhost.com>

This has been fixed in a later version (your on 0.3 the current is 0.7).
Please upgrade.

Thanks,
Adam Walker

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of James S. Waldron
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Will not move Spam to "Spam" mailbox;will not accept
> edit
> 
> This problem has arisen after ~ six weeks of very good work.
> 
> System was set to move spam to mailbox "Spam"; configuration of filter
> definition now (suddenly) shows "Spam managed in '<unknown folder>", and
> will not accept a change when filter definition attempted.  Uncertain spam
> is sucessfully moved to folder "Spam Maybe" and works fine.
> 
> Haven't tried to uninstall and reinstall; can't find if data is lost or
> preserved when that's done, and don't want to start from scratch if that's
> avoidable.
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Waldron
> mailto:\\jwaldron@jaxdocs.com



From wmnfcomputerperson at WMNF.org  Tue Aug 26 17:13:16 2003
From: wmnfcomputerperson at WMNF.org (wmnfcomputerperson)
Date: Tue Aug 26 16:13:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Need to retrain SpamBayes
Message-ID: <4DE72D089185D111B6D900400536317CBAC334@EXCHSRVR>

How can I remove my current SpamBayes training corpus so I can retrain?

Many thanks for an excellent SPAM filter,
Andrew Hudson
From root at codeit.com  Tue Aug 19 22:04:27 2003
From: root at codeit.com (MailScanner)
Date: Tue Aug 26 16:15:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Warning: E-mail viruses detected
Message-ID: <200308200404.h7K44R028883@semaphore.codeit.com>

Our virus detector has just been triggered by a message you sent:-
  To: <jflores@semaphore.codeit.com>
  Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
  Date: Tue Aug 19 21:04:27 2003
Any infected parts of the message have not been delivered.

This message is simply to warn you that your computer system may have a
virus present and should be checked.

The virus detector said this about the message:
Report: >>> Virus 'W32/Sobig-F' found in file ./h7K44AO28873/movie0045.pif
Shortcuts to MS-Dos programs are very dangerous in email in movie0045.pif

-- 
MailScanner
Email Virus Scanner

From rwalker at miracomnetwork.com  Tue Aug 26 16:19:39 2003
From: rwalker at miracomnetwork.com (Roy Walker)
Date: Tue Aug 26 16:15:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Please Help - Spambayes Outlook Plugin 007
Message-ID: <C482167053ED7F48B0C82344C858FADF014EA2@miracom1.corp.miracomnetwork.com>

I have been using Spambayes for about 2 weeks and it is amazing.  I have
run into a problem though, it just stopped working.  The menu in Outlook
would not work.  I un-installed it and the menu stayed there, so I
re-installed it and still didn't work.  I tried un-installing it again,
then deleted the menu in Outlook, then cleaned the registry and cleaned
out the profile/application data/spambayes directory.  After
re-installing again, I couldn't get it to work.  Can anyone help me get
it working again?
 
Thanx,
Roy
From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Tue Aug 26 18:05:44 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Tue Aug 26 17:05:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: FAQ
In-Reply-To: <16203.24109.977518.948882@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <16203.24109.977518.948882@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20030826210544.GA8672@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:18:37AM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
| I changed the footer for both the digest and non-digest versions of the list
| to include an admonition that people check the FAQ before posting
| questions.  This is a check that I didn't screw it up somehow.
| 
| Skip
| 
| 
| Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

Can you add a separator line between the message and the footer?
A line of 47 underscores is common.

-D

-- 
Folly delights a man who lacks judgement,
but a man of understanding keeps a straight course.
        Proverbs 15:21
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From Unterste at dow.com  Tue Aug 26 18:27:29 2003
From: Unterste at dow.com (Unterste, Andreas (AU))
Date: Tue Aug 26 18:28:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Teach Spambayes 'good' email.
Message-ID: <7FFE53FCE00EE649BDF0D1C4E4A24EF787B967@USMDLMDOWM041.dow.com>

First of all : Congratulations, terrific product !
 
question though, I might have gone the cheap route and define my InBox as 'good email' (with lot's of good email in there when I trained) and created a spam folder where I kept a couple of days worth of spam. The training worked great and the filter works great as well, however if I receive email with a high spam score (below the threshold to move it to spam) I have no way to tell Spambayes that it is good mail. If it has a low spam score and I consider it spam, I just need to move it to the spam folder and it's spam score gets set to 100%.
 
Was it not wise to train with my InBox ? Should I have a good mail and bad mail folder and move from the inbox to the good mail folder to finetune the training ? I guess what I'm looking for is a button similar to the 'Delete as Spam' which has a 'Keep as Good' functionality.
 
Any thoughts ?
 
Thx, 
 
Andreas
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 12:39:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 19:39:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Brief talkthrough on running as a service on Win2k?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BC09@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> One caveat concerning the service.  It does not start the 
> smtp proxy without doing some additional programming.

Note that this will be fixed in the next release, which is due out very
soon.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 12:38:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 19:40:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .spambayesrc setting for spam_cutoff
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BC07@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> #[hammie]
> #train_on_filter = True
> #spam_cutoff = 0.80
> 
> I had to remove spam_cutoff under hammie because it caused 
> pine to become unstable (why?).  Where does spam_cutoff go?  
> Did I put it in the right place?  If so, why did pine become unstable?

spam_cutoff is in the "Categorization" section, not the "hammie" one.
Change your config file to:

#
[hammiefilter]
persistent_use_database = True
persistent_storage_file = /home/beckman/.hammiedb
#
#[hammie]
#train_on_filter = True
[Categorization]
spam_cutoff = 0.80

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 12:45:34 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 19:47:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Need to retrain SpamBayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BC18@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> How can I remove my current SpamBayes training corpus so I 
> can retrain?

If you're using the Outlook plug-in, then delete the
default_bayes_database and default_message_database files in your data
directory (FAQ 3.6 explains where this is).  Or you can just use the
"retrain from scratch option" (with empty folders if you want to wipe it
completely).

If you're using one of the other apps, you probably have a file called
hammie.db, and maybe one called spambayes.messageinfo.db.  Delete both
of these.  If you're using pop3proxy or imapfilter, the configuration
page will help you find them (at the bottom of the page).

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Aug 27 11:07:55 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Aug 26 20:08:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Teach Spambayes 'good' email.
In-Reply-To: <7FFE53FCE00EE649BDF0D1C4E4A24EF787B967@USMDLMDOWM041.dow.com>
Message-ID: <128c01c36c2f$442eb400$f502a8c0@eden>

You should simply move it back to your Inbox, and that will cause SpamBayes
to train the message is good.  Once it is back in your Inbox, you should
find the Spam score lower than it was when in either of the "Spam" or
"Unsure" folders.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Unterste,
> Andreas (AU)
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 8:27 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Teach Spambayes 'good' email.
>
>
> First of all : Congratulations, terrific product !
>
> question though, I might have gone the cheap route and define
> my InBox as 'good email' (with lot's of good email in there
> when I trained) and created a spam folder where I kept a
> couple of days worth of spam. The training worked great and
> the filter works great as well, however if I receive email
> with a high spam score (below the threshold to move it to
> spam) I have no way to tell Spambayes that it is good mail.
> If it has a low spam score and I consider it spam, I just
> need to move it to the spam folder and it's spam score gets
> set to 100%.
>
> Was it not wise to train with my InBox ? Should I have a good
> mail and bad mail folder and move from the inbox to the good
> mail folder to finetune the training ? I guess what I'm
> looking for is a button similar to the 'Delete as Spam' which
> has a 'Keep as Good' functionality.
>
> Any thoughts ?
>
> Thx,
>
> Andreas
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From spambayes at kaishaku.org  Tue Aug 26 21:29:24 2003
From: spambayes at kaishaku.org (spambayes@kaishaku.org)
Date: Tue Aug 26 22:11:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
Message-ID: <120661543989.20030826202924@kaishaku.org>


Does spambayes have any competition which is as accurate? I am willing to
consider commercial alternatives and require Windows support.

I would prefer to use something other than spambayes at this time because I
often find myself restarting the spambayes proxy manually after noticing I
have not been receiving mail for some hours.

An added benefit would be allowing me to have or run multiple classification
databases where 'spam' in one might not have been classified as 'spam' in
another. Or even allowing me to name the classifications as 'not thing' and
'thing' as opposed to just 'not spam' and 'spam'.

I have seen the list of spam filtering software, and have seen a ton more
through google, but I am looking for informed personal advice.

-kaishaku


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 15:17:40 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue Aug 26 22:18:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BCF6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I would prefer to use something other than spambayes at this time
> because I often find myself restarting the spambayes proxy manually
> after noticing I have not been receiving mail for some hours.

Do you mean that messages don't turn up on the review page (the bug
causing this was recently fixed) or that your mail client isn't able to
download mail from the server?

> An added benefit would be allowing me to have or run multiple 
> classification databases where 'spam' in one might not have 
> been classified as 'spam' in another. Or even allowing me to 
> name the classifications as 'not thing' and 'thing' as 
> opposed to just 'not spam' and 'spam'.

You're after POPFile.

<http://popfile.sf.net>

=Tony Meyer

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Wed Aug 27 16:47:40 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Tue Aug 26 23:50:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spammers vetting with Bayesian Filters?
Message-ID: <1061956022.1097.7.camel@rebirth>

Hi,

I've been training my SpamBayes setup for 2 weeks now. Initially things
had gotten really peaceful, but I'm now seeing an increasing number of
spams each day that are getting labelled as 'ham'.

>From this, I can only hazard to guess that some of the major spamhausen
are now vetting their messages with Bayesian filters.

Given the revenue that can be 'earned' from sending spam, it would be
well worth any spammer's time and energy to set up several
bayesian-based filters, train them, then use them for vetting messages.

A few iterations of rewording messages and checking bayesian scores, and
the message is ready for sending.

I'm even seeing a few nigerian scam variants making it through as 'ham'.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

I switched from text-based challenge/response to Bayesian, because of
concerns that some new correspondents would feel deterred/insulted by
the challenge, or be too technically n00bish to understand what's going
on.

So, where does this leave us in the arms race?
How long will it be before even the best-trained bayesian setups start
getting false positive and false negative rates climbing towards 50%?

Could challenge/response, with increasingly difficult turing tests,
become the norm?

-- 
Cheers
David


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed Aug 27 15:11:00 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed Aug 27 00:11:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spammers vetting with Bayesian Filters? 
In-Reply-To: <1061956022.1097.7.camel@rebirth> 
Message-ID: <200308270411.h7R4B0Zu021965@localhost.localdomain>


>>> David McNab wrote
> Hi,
> 
> I've been training my SpamBayes setup for 2 weeks now. Initially things
> had gotten really peaceful, but I'm now seeing an increasing number of
> spams each day that are getting labelled as 'ham'.

What incremental training are you doing? Mistake based, or training all
messages?

> >From this, I can only hazard to guess that some of the major spamhausen
> are now vetting their messages with Bayesian filters.

Possibly - certainly there's occasional spams with a pile of random
words in it. But I'm not finding that this is causing me problems, so
long as I keep up with the training.

> Could challenge/response, with increasingly difficult turing tests,
> become the norm?

I hope not. C-R systems have the potential to severely damage the usefulness
of email. Look at how much damage has been done by crappy worm bounces flying
back and forth. C-R will also encourage spammers to use address book
hijacking - you release a worm that targets Outlook, and use it to send your
spams to everyone in the victims addressbook.

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Wed Aug 27 02:20:40 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Aug 27 01:21:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spammers vetting with Bayesian Filters?
In-Reply-To: <1061956022.1097.7.camel@rebirth>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEOJFAAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[David McNab]
> I've been training my SpamBayes setup for 2 weeks now. Initially
> things had gotten really peaceful, but I'm now seeing an increasing
> number of spams each day that are getting labelled as 'ham'.

Say more about your setup, and how you train.  If you're training on much
more ham than spam, that can bias words heavily in the ham direction.  Try
to train on an approximately equal number of each.  We don't yet have a good
approach to dealing with lopsided training data.

> From this, I can only hazard to guess that some of the major
> spamhausen are now vetting their messages with Bayesian filters.

I've seen no evidence of this, and because spambayes works just as hard to
learn what each individual means by "ham" as it does to learn what they mean
by "spam", it's darned hard to create a msg that looks hammy to everyone.  I
haven't seen one yet.  The most effective technique against spambayes I've
seen (indeed, the only effective technique I've seen against it that wasn't
due to a flaw in the code) attaches brief spam to a reply to a message *you*
wrote, including the full text of your message, and leaving your original
subject line intact.  Since you wrote the original, it's bound to contain
words hammy to you.  However, it's expensive for spammers to do such
personal customization, and I haven't seen an instance of this trick for
several months.  I can't imagine it would cover the costs unless it was an
expensive product with a phenomenal response rate.

> ...
> I'm even seeing a few nigerian scam variants making it through as
> 'ham'.

Something is wrong with your setup, then, or training has gotten badly
unbalanced, or you've boosted your ham cutoff to 99.9 <wink>.  If you're
using the Outlook addin, use the "Show spam clues" button to generate an
email giving details about one of these false negatives.  If you're using
something else, at least reveal what it is.

> ...
> So, where does this leave us in the arms race?

I'm still laughing at the finish line <0.9 wink>.


From harri.pesonen at wicom.com  Wed Aug 27 11:00:58 2003
From: harri.pesonen at wicom.com (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Wed Aug 27 03:01:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)
Message-ID: <FC2AA30A6C037640BBDC45785F0E9B26076323@postman.wicom.com>

Why not tokenize image URLs? Many times the message is empty or almost
empty, containing only an image URL. Here is an example:

<html><body>
<center><!--kj3evc37dmn--><a
href="http://www.greatbizss3.com/host/default.asp?ID=omni"><img
src="http://clearsale12.com/pics/gv1.gif" height="270"
width="405"></a></center>
</html></body>

While SpamBayes detected this message just fine, it did it only from
tokens in headers (subject mainly). From this example, you would have
got tokens:

image:clearsale12 (ignore com)
href:greatbizss3 (ignore www, com, but not biz)

Or combine them both under href token.

One thing that I have noticed is that many times the end of the domain
name contains numbers. You could add a token for this:

href:#

Or just remove the numbers:

href:clearsale
href:greatbizss

If the href contains an ip address, then do a name lookup. If it fails,
then add

href:ip

Also tokenize attachment extensions:

attachment:pif

This helps fighting viruses.

Harri

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 20:07:47 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 03:08:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BE26@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Why not tokenize image URLs?
[...]
> While SpamBayes detected this message just fine,

There's a reason why not ;)

> Many times the message is empty or almost
> empty, containing only an image URL.

Not that any URL, including image ones, is tokenized.  If you look at
the clues for a message like the one you used as an example, you should
see some url: tokens.

It has been suggested that tokenizing (textual) information at the end
of the URL would be worthwhile (this includes a token if the URL 404s).
We tested this out (look at the urlslurper.py file), but didn't have
enough people testing to integrate it into the main code (as a
default-to-off option).  Death2Spam (see the related page) does this,
though, and Richard swears by it.

In any case, the best thing is to try these (or any other) ideas out.
See FAQ 6.1:

<file:///D:/cvs/spambayes/website/faq.html#why-don-t-you-implement-cool-
tokenizer-trick-x>

=Tony Meyer

From harri.pesonen at wicom.com  Wed Aug 27 11:22:54 2003
From: harri.pesonen at wicom.com (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Wed Aug 27 03:23:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)
Message-ID: <FC2AA30A6C037640BBDC45785F0E9B26076325@postman.wicom.com>

Yeah, I read that FAQ, I'm currently just learning Python. I don't see
any url:tokens, I use the Outlook plugin, perhaps the problem is there,
it does not use the HTMLBody property?

Btw, what does header:Received:1 and header:User-Agent:1 mean? Does
SpamBayes have an internal black list? Also Date:1, From:1,
MIME-Version:1 etc, what do they mean? :-)

Spam Score: 0.997882

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-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: 27. elokuuta 2003 10:08
To: Harri Pesonen; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)


> Why not tokenize image URLs?
[...]
> While SpamBayes detected this message just fine,

There's a reason why not ;)

> Many times the message is empty or almost
> empty, containing only an image URL.

Not that any URL, including image ones, is tokenized.  If you look at
the clues for a message like the one you used as an example, you should
see some url: tokens.

It has been suggested that tokenizing (textual) information at the end
of the URL would be worthwhile (this includes a token if the URL 404s).
We tested this out (look at the urlslurper.py file), but didn't have
enough people testing to integrate it into the main code (as a
default-to-off option).  Death2Spam (see the related page) does this,
though, and Richard swears by it.

In any case, the best thing is to try these (or any other) ideas out.
See FAQ 6.1:

<file:///D:/cvs/spambayes/website/faq.html#why-don-t-you-implement-cool-
tokenizer-trick-x>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 20:45:46 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 03:46:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BE2F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Yeah, I read that FAQ, I'm currently just learning Python.

All the better to practice with <wink>.  Seriously, if you are confident
that an improvement with have a significant effect, then write it up in
detail and submit it as a feature request.  Someone will get around to
trying it and posting a patch.  Unless it's an amazing idea, you have to
be willing to run the tests as well, though, otherwise we end up with
the (common at the moment) situation where we have inconclusive data
about an option because only a couple of people have done the testing.

> I don't see any url:tokens, I use the Outlook plugin, perhaps the
problem 
> is there, it does not use the HTMLBody property?

In your 'show clues', I don't see a body at all!  See my 'show clues'
for your message at the end.  If you go right down to the bottom you'll
see some url:tokens.  What version of the plug-in are you using?  The
'message stream' bit of the 'show clues' should match what you see in
Outlook.

> Btw, what does header:Received:1 and header:User-Agent:1 mean? Does
> SpamBayes have an internal black list?

No, there's no black or white listing.

> Also Date:1, From:1,
> MIME-Version:1 etc, what do they mean? :-)

One set of tokens generated is simply the number of times a header line
appears in the message.  These are all saying that each header is there
once.

=Tony Meyer

---

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Yeah, I read that FAQ, I'm currently just learning
Python. I don't see</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>any url:tokens, I use the Outlook plugin, perhaps the
problem is there,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it does not use the HTMLBody property?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Btw, what does header:Received:1 and header:User-Agent:1
mean? Does</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>SpamBayes have an internal black list? Also Date:1,
From:1,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>MIME-Version:1 etc, what do they mean? :-)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Spam Score: 0.997882</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT
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spamprob&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; #ham&nbsp;
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<BR><FONT
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'to:no real
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: &quot;Amalia Boyd&quot;
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:33:58 +0000</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message Tokens:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>33 unique tokens</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'from:addr:aboydhd'</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'from:name:amalia boyd'</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject: - '</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject:Chance'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject:Citrate'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject:Last'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject:Sildenafil'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject:blowout'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'subject:inventory'</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'to:2**0'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'to:addr:harri.pesonen'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'to:addr:merlin.fi'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'to:no real name:2**0'</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>'x-mailer:none'</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Meyer, Tony [<A
HREF="mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz">mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz</A>]
</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: 27. elokuuta 2003 10:08</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Harri Pesonen; spambayes@python.org</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images,
attachments)</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Why not tokenize image URLs?</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>[...]</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; While SpamBayes detected this message just
fine,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>There's a reason why not ;)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Many times the message is empty or almost</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; empty, containing only an image URL.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Not that any URL, including image ones, is
tokenized.&nbsp; If you look at</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the clues for a message like the one you used as an
example, you should</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>see some url: tokens.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>It has been suggested that tokenizing (textual)
information at the end</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>of the URL would be worthwhile (this includes a token
if the URL 404s).</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>We tested this out (look at the urlslurper.py file),
but didn't have</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>enough people testing to integrate it into the main
code (as a</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>default-to-off option).&nbsp; Death2Spam (see the
related page) does this,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>though, and Richard swears by it.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>In any case, the best thing is to try these (or any
other) ideas out.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>See FAQ 6.1:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT
SIZE=2>&lt;file:///D:/cvs/spambayes/website/faq.html#why-don-t-you-imple
ment-cool-</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>tokenizer-trick-x&gt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>=Tony Meyer</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>_______________________________________________</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Spambayes@python.org</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2><A
HREF="http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes">http://mail.pyt
hon.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes</A></FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Check the FAQ before asking: <A
HREF="http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html">http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
</A></FONT>
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Yeah, I read that FAQ, I'm currently just learning Python. I don't see
any url:tokens, I use the Outlook plugin, perhaps the problem is there,
it does not use the HTMLBody property?

Btw, what does header:Received:1 and header:User-Agent:1 mean? Does
SpamBayes have an internal black list? Also Date:1, From:1,
MIME-Version:1 etc, what do they mean? :-)

Spam Score: 0.997882

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'to:addr:harri.pesonen'
'to:addr:merlin.fi'
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'x-mailer:none'

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: 27. elokuuta 2003 10:08
To: Harri Pesonen; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)


> Why not tokenize image URLs?
[...]
> While SpamBayes detected this message just fine,

There's a reason why not ;)

> Many times the message is empty or almost
> empty, containing only an image URL.

Not that any URL, including image ones, is tokenized.  If you look at
the clues for a message like the one you used as an example, you should
see some url: tokens.

It has been suggested that tokenizing (textual) information at the end
of the URL would be worthwhile (this includes a token if the URL 404s).
We tested this out (look at the urlslurper.py file), but didn't have
enough people testing to integrate it into the main code (as a
default-to-off option).  Death2Spam (see the related page) does this,
though, and Richard swears by it.

In any case, the best thing is to try these (or any other) ideas out.
See FAQ 6.1:

<file:///D:/cvs/spambayes/website/faq.html#why-don-t-you-implement-cool-
tokenizer-trick-x>

=Tony Meyer

_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

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'elokuuta'
'email addr:massey.ac.nz]'
'email addr:merlin.fi'
'email addr:merlin.net.au'
'email addr:merlin.net.au>'
"email addr:merlin.net.au'"
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'email name:<3f4ba816.730f2157'
'email name:<aboydhd'
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'email name:[mailto:t.a.meyer'
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'header:Return-Path:1'
'header:Subject:1'
'header:To:1'
'headers'
'htmlbody'
"i'm"
'ideas'
'image'
'includes'
'including'
'information'
'integrate'
'internal'
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'into'
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'return-path:'
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'see'
'sender:addr:python.org'
'sender:addr:spambayes-bounces'
'sender:no real name:2**0'
'sent:'
'should'
'skip:& 70'
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"skip:' 20"
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'subject:attachments'
'subject:ideas'
'subject:images'
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'times'
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'wed,'
'what'
'while'
'why'
'with'
'word'
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'would'
'x-mailer:none'
'yeah,'
'you'

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed Aug 27 20:47:39 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 03:48:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BE30@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I use the latest 0.7. I have done some Outlook programming as 
> well, and I know that there is a separate HTMLBody property, 
> I guess that the plugin just gets the Body property, that is 
> empty in this case.

No, the plugin definitely looks at the html as well.  If you look at the
clues for a text/plain message, do you see the message body in the
stream?  If you look at the clues for a text/html message, do you see
the body in the stream?  It looks more like something is awry with the
plug-in/setup.

> Thanks for the :1 explanation.

No worries.

=Tony Meyer

From harri.pesonen at wicom.com  Wed Aug 27 12:17:46 2003
From: harri.pesonen at wicom.com (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Wed Aug 27 04:17:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)
Message-ID: <FC2AA30A6C037640BBDC45785F0E9B2606F5AD@postman.wicom.com>

It seems that the plugin shows the html body correctly when I check the
messages in Inbox. When I check the messages in Spam folder, which is in
Personal Folders, then it shows only the plain text. So no big problem
here, because it works in Inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: 27. elokuuta 2003 10:48
To: Harri Pesonen
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)


> I use the latest 0.7. I have done some Outlook programming as 
> well, and I know that there is a separate HTMLBody property, 
> I guess that the plugin just gets the Body property, that is 
> empty in this case.

No, the plugin definitely looks at the html as well.  If you look at the
clues for a text/plain message, do you see the message body in the
stream?  If you look at the clues for a text/html message, do you see
the body in the stream?  It looks more like something is awry with the
plug-in/setup.

> Thanks for the :1 explanation.

No worries.

=Tony Meyer

From nick at pinnacle-technology.co.uk  Wed Aug 27 11:06:07 2003
From: nick at pinnacle-technology.co.uk (Nick Morley)
Date: Wed Aug 27 05:06:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
Message-ID: <000801c36c7a$73581c30$c90aa8c0@nickspc>

Will this work with Outlook express, or just outlook?
Can the installer handle having several mail clients on one machine?

regards,

Nick
From es at bernd-kling.de  Wed Aug 27 15:02:34 2003
From: es at bernd-kling.de (Bernd Kling)
Date: Wed Aug 27 08:04:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Urgent Editorial Request
Message-ID: <3F4C9DDA.7030702@bernd-kling.de>

URGENT EDITORIAL REQUEST

Dear Sir / Madam:

I am writing software reviews for a variety of German computer
magazines. At present I am selecting trial versions, shareware and
freeware programs for a CD-ROM which is to accompany "Expert's inside
Windows NT/2000 - Exchange" (www.experts-inside.de), a newsletter
published by redtec Publishing. This is a very specialized publication
adressed to Windows NT/2000/XP system administrators.
Redtec (www.redtec.de) publishing is part of Wekanet (www.wekanet.de),
a leading German publisher of computer magazines and books.
I would very much like to include your software in this selection.
Please testify your approval by signing this notice and returning it
by fax.

Sincerely yours,

Bernd Kling
Editorial Services
Zillestr. 66, D-10585 Berlin
Fax +49-30-34703064
E-Mail: es@bernd-kling.de


We hereby grant permission to redtec Publishing to publish freeware /
shareware versions of our software

		SpamBayes

on a CD-ROM which is to accompany their publication "Expert's inside
Windows NT/2000 - Exchange".


Name:
_________________________________________________________

Address:
_________________________________________________________

Email address:
_________________________________________________________

Download address:
_________________________________________________________


Place, date:	_________________________________


Signature:
	_________________________________


Please return by Fax: +49-30-34703064
















From aarontay at mochamail.com  Wed Aug 27 21:11:33 2003
From: aarontay at mochamail.com (Aaron)
Date: Wed Aug 27 08:21:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <120661543989.20030826202924@kaishaku.org>
Message-ID: <3F4D1075.19458.362375@localhost>

On 26 Aug 2003 at 20:29, spambayes@kaishaku.org wrote:


Hello.

> Does spambayes have any competition which is as accurate? I am willing to
> consider commercial alternatives and require Windows support.

Asking on a mailinglist specially developed to a certain software for alternatives to said 
software is usually not a good idea :) Espically, so when asking for commercial alternatives!

Well, I'm a user of Popfile and have used K9, [both free, the former is open source] both are 
popular (perhaps the most popular bayesian filters currently? ) and are very accurate. 
Spambayes fans will of course claims spambayes is more accurate (well popfile is accurate 
enough for me at 99.5%) and point out that neither has a "unsure" classification.


> An added benefit would be allowing me to have or run multiple classification
> databases where 'spam' in one might not have been classified as 'spam' in
> another. Or even allowing me to name the classifications as 'not thing' and
> 'thing' as opposed to just 'not spam' and 'spam'.

Popfile, allows you to train your email into several categories. For example, you might train 
popfile to recognise Spam, Work, mailing list, family. (That is close to my setup)

Others have tried using even more classifications, Spam, adult spam, etc... Accuracy drops 
the more classifications you use of course.

> I have seen the list of spam filtering software, and have seen a ton more
> through google, but I am looking for informed personal advice.

Another option would be The windows port of Spamassasin, SAproxy, which primarily uses a 
sophiscated rule scoring base. There is also a bayesian portion, but it's hard to do training.

Spampal- Uses Open relay blacklists, but there is also a bayesian plugin available.

I havent tried the others, but popfile and k9 is probably worth a look.





 
> -kaishaku
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

-- Want to learn how to use 150+ free Chess programs to run 
with Winboard? Visit http://www.aarontay.per.sg/Winboard/index.html


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Wed Aug 27 09:25:33 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Wed Aug 27 08:27:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: (no subject)
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB115@SPIKE.city>

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I've always wondered why the answer to 3.10 is what it is. In Outlook, the "delete" operation is just a special case of the "move" operation, so it's counterintuitive that specifying the "Deleted Items" folder as your spam folder won't work. OTOH, I have no reason to doubt your testing to date. So assuming that Outlook somehow blocks you from moving identified spam into the current Deleted Items folder, will it work if you move it to the Deleted Items folder of another .pst file? I.e., would Outlook be fooled into failing to enforce its peculiar restriction in that case?

Or is it that the Deleted Items "folder" (in any file) is a fiction and therefore can't be referred to in some contexts where real folders can?

I suppose I could test it myself. Oh, well, one of these days.....

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:44 PM
> To: dwalker@kidsbh.com; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] (no subject)
> 
> 
> > Is it possible to delete the mail in the spam folder, or will 
> > that ruin the database?
> 
> Please see FAQ 3.10:
> 
> <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure
> -spambayes
> -to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>
> 
> And FAQ 4.6:
> <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#do-i-need-to-keep-s
> pam-after-
> it-has-been-trained-if-so-for-how-long>
> 
> =Tony Meyer

From harri.pesonen at wicom.com  Wed Aug 27 16:55:57 2003
From: harri.pesonen at wicom.com (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Wed Aug 27 08:56:05 2003
Subject: Outlook add-in bug (Was: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images,
	attachments))
Message-ID: <FC2AA30A6C037640BBDC45785F0E9B26076328@postman.wicom.com>

Now I realized that this is in fact a more fatal problem. Because my
Possible (unsure) folder is also in Personal Folders, and add-in does
not handle html body correctly from there, then moving an e-mail from
Possible to Spam folder does not teach it properly. I just got the
following message into Possible:

<html>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<body>
<center><!--ld1u552wqc3g--><a
href="http://www.greatdf45.com/host/default.asp?ID=omni"><img
src="http://bigsalesxz.com/pics/gv1.gif" height="270"
width="405"></a></center>
</html></body>

Again, no text. I moved it to Spam folder, where it got 100%
probability. I checked spam clues for this message both in Possible and
Spam folder, and it does not show the message text at all. When I moved
it into Inbox (it got 1%), only then it showed the above text.

Clearly a bug, which can be avoided by creating Spam and Unsure folders
in Mailbox folder (where Inbox is). It seems that Personal Folders are
not supported correctly.

I moved the message again to Inbox, just to see the spam clues:

Spam Score: 0.00268853

word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
'*H*'                               0.995217            -      -
'*S*'                               0.000594429         -      -
'url:gif'                           0.0266272           8      0
'url:default'                       0.0348837           6      0
'url:bigsalesxz'                    0.0918367           2      0
'url:greatdf45'                     0.0918367           2      0
'url:gv1'                           0.0918367           2      0
'url:omni'                          0.0918367           2      0
'url:pics'                          0.0918367           2      0

It is clear that moving the message twice back to Inbox corrupted the
database. Moving it to Spam folder does not remove ham status from these
url tokens. How to fix this... Now I created the Spam and Unsure folder
in Mailbox, and moved the message to Spam. It got 95%. Now all these
urls have 1 in #ham and #spam. Then I added one folder in Personal
Folders as filter folder, and moved it there, and back. Now these urls
have 0 in #ham and 2 in #spam. :-)

Btw, see url:greatdf45, it again has digits in the end of domain name.
If a spammer has tens of thousands of these, it would be better to
remove the digits from the end when tokenizing. The other url,
bigsalesxz, adds letters xz. Tokenizer should remove these as well, so
that it yields url:bigsales. But how to do it, that's another question.

Harri

-----Original Message-----
From: Harri Pesonen 
Sent: 27. elokuuta 2003 11:18
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)


It seems that the plugin shows the html body correctly when I check the
messages in Inbox. When I check the messages in Spam folder, which is in
Personal Folders, then it shows only the plain text. So no big problem
here, because it works in Inbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: 27. elokuuta 2003 10:48
To: Harri Pesonen
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachments)


> I use the latest 0.7. I have done some Outlook programming as 
> well, and I know that there is a separate HTMLBody property, 
> I guess that the plugin just gets the Body property, that is 
> empty in this case.

No, the plugin definitely looks at the html as well.  If you look at the
clues for a text/plain message, do you see the message body in the
stream?  If you look at the clues for a text/html message, do you see
the body in the stream?  It looks more like something is awry with the
plug-in/setup.

> Thanks for the :1 explanation.

No worries.

=Tony Meyer

From edrubins at andisplace.com  Wed Aug 27 11:36:04 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Wed Aug 27 10:36:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1302EDB110@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030827101741.03725148@localhost>

At 06:58 PM 8/26/2003 +1200, you wrote:
> >> The attached zip file contains the results of the smtpproxy
> >> logging I added
>[...]
> >> There doesn't seem to be much difference.
> >> Both get the expected 221 response to QUIT.
>
> > I've finally managed to find time to have a proper look at this.  I've
> > checked in a much improved version of smtpproxy, which includes a couple
> > of bug fixes.  It's possible that these have fixed this problem,
> > although I'm not sure that it will have.
>
> > (It will appear in anonymous cvs any time between now and this time
> > tomorrow).
>
> > In any case, smtpproxy definitely works for me with Eudora 5.2 on
> > Windows XP, although if the problem is related to Norton Anti-virus (I
> > don't see how) it might still be there; I don't have it to test.
>
> > The log was strange - it looked like the QUIT command was sent and
> > received ok, but an additional empty command was sent after the QUIT (a
> > blank line does give that response from a SMTP server).  smtpproxy might
> > have been doing this, but it doesn't appear to be doing so now.
>
> > Anyway, if you could check out the latest version (once sf has it
> > available), that would be great.  If it doesn't work, then adding this:
> > """
> >                 print "pulled", self.request
> >                 print "pushed", cooked + '\r\n'
> > """
>
> > After line 331 ("self.serverSocket.push(cooked + '\r\n')") will print
> > out information that should be sufficient for me to track it down.
>
> > =Tony Meyer

I pulled the latest CVS this morning and tried it - same problem. I'm 
assuming you meant line 231, not 331, as the place to add the print 
statements, since 331 doesn't line up. I also modified to prints to enclose 
the data in quotes in case there were unprintable characters at the end. 
And the answer is:

pulled " EHLO ed.andisplace.com"
pushed " EHLO ed.andisplace.com"

pulled " RSET"
pushed " RSET "

pulled " MAIL FROM:<edrubins@andisplace.com>"
pushed " MAIL FROM:<edrubins@andisplace.com>"

pulled " RCPT TO:<edrubins@mindspring.com>"
pushed " RCPT TO: <edrubins@mindspring.com>"

pulled " DATA"
pushed " DATA"

pulled " QUIT"
pushed " QUIT "

There seems to be an extra space after the pushed QUIT, which isn't there 
after the pulled QUIT, or any other command except the pushed RSET. Hope 
this helps.

Best, Ed



From hal.rottenberg at hp.com  Wed Aug 27 08:42:24 2003
From: hal.rottenberg at hp.com (ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1))
Date: Wed Aug 27 10:44:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 and Exchange 5.5
Message-ID: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBC6@xatl01.atl.hp.com>

Thanks Adam, that worked, new emails are now being scored and filtered.  Of
course it figures that the tech refresh broke Frontpage.  I get what I ask
for by running this beta stuff I guess.   :)

Hal Rottenberg

> Make sure you have installed the technical refresh for outlook 2003.
> Otherwise outlook does not pump events to the add-in.

> > (i.e. I see new messages in the spam folder).  I enabled 
> the Spam field on
> > my Inbox and the new messages received while Outlook is up 
> _do not_ have a
> > spam score.

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Thu Aug 28 01:54:27 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (anthony baxter)
Date: Wed Aug 27 11:04:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Urgent Editorial Request
In-Reply-To: <3F4C9DDA.7030702@bernd-kling.de>
References: <3F4C9DDA.7030702@bernd-kling.de>
Message-ID: <200308280054.27344.anthony@interlink.com.au>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:02 pm, Bernd Kling wrote:
> I am writing software reviews for a variety of German computer
> magazines. At present I am selecting trial versions, shareware and
> freeware programs for a CD-ROM which is to accompany "Expert's inside
> Windows NT/2000 - Exchange" (www.experts-inside.de), a newsletter
> published by redtec Publishing. 
 [ snip ]
> I would very much like to include your software in this selection.
> Please testify your approval by signing this notice and returning it
> by fax.


Spambayes is released as open source code, under the Python Software
Foundation license. Feel free to include it on as many CDROMs as you
wish. 

There's no-one who "owns" the code that would be able to send in a 
fax of confirmation - well, the PSF could, as the copyright is assigned
to them. But I'd say the chances of them doing this are close to zero.

See the FAQ:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#what-is-the-license-how-much-does-it-cost-can-i-pay-anyway

Or, a direct link to the license itself:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/LICENSE.txt

(note to anyone with CVS access at the moment (i.e. not me) the FAQ 
erroneously uses the acronym PSA, instead of PSF. I'll fix tomorrow 
if no-one else gets to it first).

Anthony

From itamar.rosenn at clinton.com  Wed Aug 27 12:45:51 2003
From: itamar.rosenn at clinton.com (Itamar Rosenn)
Date: Wed Aug 27 11:46:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <BJECKEOAIEMLPCHFCDIMEEAGCBAA.itamar.rosenn@clinton.com>

Hello,

In Paul Graham's article as well as elsewhere where bayesian spam filtering
is discussed, I've noticed the claim that SpamBayes's technique would not be
effective as a gateway solution.

I'm wondering if anyone has some opinions about whether this is absolutely
set in stone, or whether there might be some good ways to implement
SpamBayes at the gateway level.

I certainly understand the rationale for skepticism; baysian learning is
optimized in an individualized setting, and won't have as many patterns to
follow at the gateway level. But I suspect that at least in my setting,
which is an office of a financial investment company with about 100
employees, there are still quite clear cut patterns of general good mail and
general spam that is received by our network as a whole.

Any thoughts/suggestions on implementing SpamBayes as a gateway solution in
such a setting? (IMAP)

Thanks!

Itamar Rosenn
Clinton Group Inc.


From hal.rottenberg at hp.com  Wed Aug 27 13:05:40 2003
From: hal.rottenberg at hp.com (ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1))
Date: Wed Aug 27 12:05:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBC8@xatl01.atl.hp.com>

> In Paul Graham's article as well as elsewhere where bayesian 
> spam filtering
> is discussed, I've noticed the claim that SpamBayes's 
> technique would not be
> effective as a gateway solution.

I'm interested in this concept as well.  Perhaps a more limited form of
bayesian filtering could be used, one that has much lower threshholds and
perhaps using a fixed spam corpus or a very customized list of tokens.  A
single ham marked as spam would be unacceptable if you are deploying
something at the organization level.

Hal Rottenberg

From jan.k at bostream.nu  Wed Aug 27 19:18:51 2003
From: jan.k at bostream.nu (Jan Karjalainen)
Date: Wed Aug 27 12:17:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 
	Re: Solution:how-can-I-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam
Message-ID: <001a01c36cb6$ea7db360$6400a8c0@fmbv.nu>

Hi all!
Cloudmark?s Spamnet has this feature, which worked fine while I was beta
testing it. 

>From Release History
(http://www.cloudmark.com/products/spamnet/history/):

SpamNet Beta 7e - 1/22/03
New Mail Notification icon / Mark Spam as Read - SpamNet now removes the
New Mail Notification icon from the Windows System Tray when the Mark
Spam as Read option is selected in Outlook at Tools > Options > SpamNet
> Advanced. 

/jk



From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Wed Aug 27 10:44:38 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Wed Aug 27 12:44:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
References: <BJECKEOAIEMLPCHFCDIMEEAGCBAA.itamar.rosenn@clinton.com>
Message-ID: <3F4CDFF6.56C5AE6A@whidbey.com>

I can tell you from experience that even using a single SpamBayes for two users
will cut the effectiveness of the system to some extent. I'm running pop3proxy
on two machines, one handles four of my accounts and rarely makes an error
(although it seems to think Nigerian scams are Ham). The other one handles three
or four other accounts of mine, plus my wife. It generates far more Unsures, and
seems less thorough overall.

I am about to start playing wth IMAP as a solution, so the sorting can happen at
the server without needing to install for each user, but this will (I think)
mean a separate database for each user, protecting the high accuracy of the
system.

Van

Itamar Rosenn wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In Paul Graham's article as well as elsewhere where bayesian spam filtering
> is discussed, I've noticed the claim that SpamBayes's technique would not be
> effective as a gateway solution.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has some opinions about whether this is absolutely
> set in stone, or whether there might be some good ways to implement
> SpamBayes at the gateway level.
>
> I certainly understand the rationale for skepticism; baysian learning is
> optimized in an individualized setting, and won't have as many patterns to
> follow at the gateway level. But I suspect that at least in my setting,
> which is an office of a financial investment company with about 100
> employees, there are still quite clear cut patterns of general good mail and
> general spam that is received by our network as a whole.
>
> Any thoughts/suggestions on implementing SpamBayes as a gateway solution in
> such a setting? (IMAP)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Itamar Rosenn
> Clinton Group Inc.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

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From hal.rottenberg at hp.com  Wed Aug 27 14:13:23 2003
From: hal.rottenberg at hp.com (ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1))
Date: Wed Aug 27 13:16:19 2003
Subject: Testing (was RE: [Spambayes] Tokenizing ideas (images, attachment s))
Message-ID: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBCA@xatl01.atl.hp.com>

I'm a new Spambayes user, and I'm evaluating it at work, and POPFile at
home.  I'd like to know what needs testing and I might be able to find some
time to help in that area.

For the record, I like Spambayes better for the newbie user because the
Outlook plugin is easy to install and operation thereafter is fairly
straightforward.  The POPFile project doesn't have an OL plugin, although
there is a 3rd party one.  Then OTOH POPFile can classify into multiple
buckets and I'm enjoying that at home.  Any plans on adding that to
Spambayes?

Hal Rottenberg

> detail and submit it as a feature request.  Someone will get around to
> trying it and posting a patch.  Unless it's an amazing idea, 
> you have to
> be willing to run the tests as well, though, otherwise we end up with
> the (common at the moment) situation where we have inconclusive data
> about an option because only a couple of people have done the testing.


From beckman at purplecow.com  Wed Aug 27 14:31:48 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Wed Aug 27 13:33:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBC8@xatl01.atl.hp.com>
References: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBC8@xatl01.atl.hp.com>
Message-ID: <20030827132635.K2696@thermonuclear.org>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1) wrote:

> I'm interested in this concept as well.  Perhaps a more limited form of
> bayesian filtering could be used, one that has much lower threshholds and
> perhaps using a fixed spam corpus or a very customized list of tokens.  A
> single ham marked as spam would be unacceptable if you are deploying
> something at the organization level.

 What about a modified SpamBayes, where each incoming email address has/creates
 its own database?  That way, each user would still have their own
 individualized database, but they would all use the same codebase.  The
 web interface would recognize them as their email address, and use the
 corresponding SB DB.  The system would use the users incoming email
 address as the key.  As long as you are using BDB, the DB won't take up
 more space than the spam would.  And for users that don't exist, the mail
 server should reject those pieces of mail before they get to the SB
 filtering/tokenizing/scoring.

 You could even have an aliases file, so if one user gets all 3 email
 addresses delivered to a single person, you could create that alias and SB
 would use only one database for 3 incoming email addresses.

 Then again, my DB is 2.5MB.  Most systems should be able to handle that
 though... the amount of spam not delivered should make up for the disk
 space for individual databases.

 Thoughts?

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From David.Bear at asu.edu  Wed Aug 27 11:29:21 2003
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Wed Aug 27 14:06:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <"from itamar.rosenn"@clinton.com>
References: <BJECKEOAIEMLPCHFCDIMEEAGCBAA.itamar.rosenn@clinton.com>
Message-ID: <20030827102921.B18062@asu.edu>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:45:51AM -0400, Itamar Rosenn wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> In Paul Graham's article as well as elsewhere where bayesian spam filtering
> is discussed, I've noticed the claim that SpamBayes's technique would not be
> effective as a gateway solution.

what are the 'learning' options here?  The strength of a client based
spam filter is that the user gets to train it.  Moreover, the power of
spambayes as it has been implemented for Outlook is that it
continually learns.

Switch to server/gateway mode.  Who trains it?  Lets say you have a
vigilant sys admin that does the training using VERY conservative and
CLEARLY SPAMISH email.  Okay.  Still, there WILL bo a corpus the end
users will want to 'include' in the training set.  So, you still end
up needing client side 'something'. 

On the other hand, if you stick with the vigilant and conservative
system admin, you have something like "The Spammish Inquisition".
Great idea..  A filter on the MTA that will 'slow' or sqelch the
bandwidth a spammer has.  Now, thats a powerfull idea.

> 

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"

From beckman at purplecow.com  Wed Aug 27 15:16:34 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Wed Aug 27 14:17:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <20030827102921.B18062@asu.edu>
References: <BJECKEOAIEMLPCHFCDIMEEAGCBAA.itamar.rosenn@clinton.com>
	<20030827102921.B18062@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <20030827141355.X2696@thermonuclear.org>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David Bear wrote:

> On the other hand, if you stick with the vigilant and conservative
> system admin, you have something like "The Spammish Inquisition".
> Great idea..  A filter on the MTA that will 'slow' or sqelch the
> bandwidth a spammer has.  Now, thats a powerfull idea.

 The thing I don't like about that is the fact that a legitimate mail
 server may get DOSed by your mail server if your filter is wrong.  You may
 even take someone elses mail server out, because yours can handle more
 open connections; what happens if you are wrong?  The people you are
 "squelching" can't contact you to tell you that you are "squelching" them
 incorrectly because you are "squelching" them.

 I think SpamBayes implemented by each user using a common code-base and
 forcing them to teach SpamBayes individually would be the best Bayesian
 solution.

 SB has given me much better results than SpamAssassin as of yet.

Beckman
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From m. at example.invalid  Wed Aug 27 21:25:02 2003
From: m. at example.invalid (M. D.)
Date: Wed Aug 27 14:24:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems with installation
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From hal.rottenberg at hp.com  Wed Aug 27 12:47:44 2003
From: hal.rottenberg at hp.com (ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1))
Date: Wed Aug 27 14:51:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBCD@xatl01.atl.hp.com>

I saw an article the other day (freshmeat.net review of spam filters) that
mentioned the position of the author that spam filtering at the server level
should only consist of "checking outside of the envelope", not "opening the
envelope".  In other words RBL and obviously fudged mail headers.  And leave
the filtering of the content side to the client.  For CPU reasons surely
that is a valid point.  

But can we do better?  What about installing clients on everyone's desktop,
but the corpuses (corpusi?  :) will feed in to a master server, and it would
do comparitive score analysis across the results and only keep the worst of
the worst.  Even if that only catches 10% of the spam, that would save
network bandwidth.

Hal Rottenberg
Windows Delivery Engineer
Hewlett-Packard
404-774-4041

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Beckman [mailto:beckman@purplecow.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:17 PM
> To: David Bear
> Cc: Itamar Rosenn; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
> 
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David Bear wrote:
> 
> > On the other hand, if you stick with the vigilant and conservative
> > system admin, you have something like "The Spammish Inquisition".
> > Great idea..  A filter on the MTA that will 'slow' or sqelch the
> > bandwidth a spammer has.  Now, thats a powerfull idea.
> 
>  The thing I don't like about that is the fact that a legitimate mail
>  server may get DOSed by your mail server if your filter is 
> wrong.  You may
>  even take someone elses mail server out, because yours can 
> handle more
>  open connections; what happens if you are wrong?  The people you are
>  "squelching" can't contact you to tell you that you are 
> "squelching" them
>  incorrectly because you are "squelching" them.
> 
>  I think SpamBayes implemented by each user using a common 
> code-base and
>  forcing them to teach SpamBayes individually would be the 
> best Bayesian
>  solution.
> 
>  SB has given me much better results than SpamAssassin as of yet.
> 
> Beckman
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> Peter Beckman                                                 
>  Internet Guy
> beckman@purplecow.com                             
> http://www.purplecow.com/
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From KingJA at moffitt.usf.edu  Wed Aug 27 16:49:19 2003
From: KingJA at moffitt.usf.edu (King, Jeff)
Date: Wed Aug 27 15:56:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
Message-ID: <E76B9DC812041B43B76E1CF500637B046448E7@m-ex1.hlm.ad.moffitt.usf.edu>

	I recently downloaded version 0.7 for Outlook, runnung on Windows 2000.  I created the folders recommended, and set the training and filter buttons.  However each time I try to delete a spam message with the "Delte as Spam" button I get an error saying SpamBayes must be enabled.  Is it not enabled if I see the toolbar and can open the manager?  If not how does one enable SpamBayes?

Jeff King
Departmental Systems Specialist
Surgical Oncology
Moffitt Cancer Center
12902 Magnolia Dr.
Room 3057B
Tampa, FL  33612

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From hsn at cybermail.net  Wed Aug 27 21:25:08 2003
From: hsn at cybermail.net (Radim Kolar)
Date: Wed Aug 27 15:57:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Wish list
Message-ID: <20030827182508.GA1678@home>

Dear spambayes author,
 I need two features in your nice software. I have tested several mail
 filters and your is one of the best. These features are very easy
 to be added. There are just for better integration with other mail
 processing tools.
 
 1) When testing a mail message send to stdout only header with result. 

 2) allow to use a unix mailbox when testing a mail messages. You can
 send all messages with added header to stdout, or when using (1) send
 only headers.

Have a nice day. I hope than my ideas are being analysed.

Radim Kolar

From hwilkins at harrahs.com  Wed Aug 27 16:13:10 2003
From: hwilkins at harrahs.com (Bobby Wilkins)
Date: Wed Aug 27 16:13:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <F413609729667C40B15EE599A43A94B801A0A1CF@entcmail1.harrahs.org>

My bayes DB is 17MB; we have over 1,000 users on an Exchange server; we might have upwards of 17GB of disk for bayes databases alone.  Considering we currently limit users to 100MB of storage, this would represent an increase of ~20% in our Exchange server disk.  I'd also warrant that it would be a more-than-20% increase in disk I/O for the database activity...

To be commercially-viable, a server-based bayes implementation that kept individual databases would:
 - have to be able to store its data efficiently (grouping 
   common message information while keeping individual
   scores sounds difficult off-the-cuff)
 - potentially use a compressed database engine (don't know
   if there is one of those around, but I've seen a few
   proprietary ones)
 - NOT hammer the server in either CPU or disk I/O
 - NOT grow infinitely (automatically trim old data;
   deciding what "old data" is, however, sounds hard)

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Beckman [mailto:beckman@purplecow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:32 PM
To: ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1)
Cc: 'Itamar Rosenn'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution


On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1) wrote:

 What about a modified SpamBayes, where each incoming email address has/creates
 its own database?  
[snip]

 Then again, my DB is 2.5MB.  
[snip]

From alasnik at smilezone.com  Wed Aug 27 15:05:41 2003
From: alasnik at smilezone.com (Adam Lasnik)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:05:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Dismayed by slow learning
In-Reply-To: <POEKKBJLNCAKDGCCCPNFGEMNCPAA.sbismuth@digitaldays.net>
Message-ID: <03f901c36cde$f9ab52c0$5500fea9@shortygeorge>

I've migrated to SpamBayes from POPfile, and I'm a bit concerned and
disappointed by what I perceive to be SpamBayes' slower learning
process.

While I'm grateful that I'm not getting any false positives with
SpamBayes, I am confused as to why it doesn't learn to score
clearly-spam mails with a high percentage, even when they're nearly
identical to spams I've just classified!

For instance, I've gotten several Nigerian spams, and I'm sure not
getting any Ham that sounds like this crud!  But SpamBayes still puts
these spams in my Possibly Spam folder.

Worse yet, I've gotten several e-mails advertising girls down on the
farm (and we're not talking about migrant workers here), and even after
flagging two of them as spam, they show up scored as only 3%.

And no, I've not marked a lot of porno or Nigerian-related mails as ham
in the past! :)

I've scored a couple hundreds spams and hams in total now, and I haven't
altered the default filter settings.

Any info or advice on what's going on?  At least so far, I'm spending
more time re-classifying mails than I'm saving from SpamBayes :(

Regards,
Adam
http://smilezone.com/ -- Everything to make you smile :) 


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Wed Aug 27 18:06:14 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:06:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spammers vetting with Bayesian Filters? 
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FA46@SPIKE.city>

Spammers will use address book hijacking with or without additional encouragement. But C-R is too slow and inconvenient to have much of an impact on email policies.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Baxter [mailto:anthony@interlink.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:11 AM
> To: David McNab
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spammers vetting with Bayesian Filters? 
> 
> 
> 
> >>> David McNab wrote
> 
> > Could challenge/response, with increasingly difficult turing tests,
> > become the norm?
> 
> I hope not. C-R systems have the potential to severely damage the
> usefulness of email. Look at how much damage has been done by crappy
> worm bounces flying back and forth. C-R will also encourage spammers
> to use address book hijacking - you release a worm that targets Outlook,
> and use it to send your spams to everyone in the victims addressbook.
> 
> Anthony

From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Wed Aug 27 18:24:41 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:24:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Wish list
In-Reply-To: <20030827182508.GA1678@home>
References: <20030827182508.GA1678@home>
Message-ID: <20030827212441.GA3011@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:25:08PM +0200, Radim Kolar wrote:
| Dear spambayes author,
|  I need two features in your nice software. I have tested several mail
|  filters and your is one of the best. These features are very easy
|  to be added. There are just for better integration with other mail
|  processing tools.
|  
|  1) When testing a mail message send to stdout only header with result. 

$ hammiefilter -f | grep ^X-Spambayes

|  2) allow to use a unix mailbox when testing a mail messages. You can
|  send all messages with added header to stdout, or when using (1) send
|  only headers.

$ formail -s hammiefilter -f < mailbox | grep ^X-Spambayes

| Have a nice day. I hope than my ideas are being analysed.

The pipes-and-filters architecture (particularly as provided on UNIX)
already provides what you are asking for.  (it sounds like you are
already using a unix system)

HTH,
-D

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understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your
paths straight.
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From rmodesty at capitalideainc.com  Wed Aug 27 17:36:12 2003
From: rmodesty at capitalideainc.com (Ron Modesty)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:36:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can not enable filtering
Message-ID: <52A8365281C78C43A534176AE0517F1E01EDF9DB@mail-server.capitalideainc.com>

I have tried to install binary version of Spambayes 0.7 a couple of times now and have already read through the troubleshooting guide but can not figure it out.
I am running Windows XP Pro with Outlook 2000 and I have attached some log files.
The problem is that it will not allow me to enable filtering at all. I have defined the filters accordingly. I have created two folders SPAM and UnsureSpam and defined the filters to point to these new folders but the checkbox for "enable filtering" is still greyed out.
What can I do?


 <<spambayes1.log>>  <<spambayes2.log>>  <<spambayes3.log>>  <<spambayes4.log>> 

Michelle

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From nils at kurschat.net  Thu Aug 28 00:39:35 2003
From: nils at kurschat.net (Nils Kurschat)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:39:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] strange thing - just making Newbie wonder
Message-ID: <000001c36ce3$b9971c50$fe00a8c0@lefty>

Hi,

I just installed the current SpamBayes as a Plug-In for my german
Outlook XP SP-2.
The default was that SPAM was treated as "certain" when it scored 90 (or
was it 95 or 99?).
I thought something wouldn't work when I did the first attempts.
Later on I saw that my regular mails would score almost 0, and all of
the SPAM almost 1.
When I reduced the thresholds by factor 100, it all worked perfectly.

So this is no real bug, because the filter worked. But it is a wrong
default setting, because which mail can score 90?
I hope that I did not find a "bug" whose existence known wide-spread,
but I really were unable to find something in the FAQ or Bug Reporting
System.

Best regards,
Nils Kurschat
nils@kurschat.net
From TammyF at sitexenvironmental.com  Wed Aug 27 17:51:43 2003
From: TammyF at sitexenvironmental.com (Tammy Frost)
Date: Wed Aug 27 17:52:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Need Assistance
Message-ID: <7F85BD93E0A8A74A8ED718306D3D2FBD170709@nova.sitexenvironmental.com>

Spambayes Manager seemed to be disabled.  When we select the e-mail and try to hit the delete spam toggle button, nothing happens.  We are using Version 7 on an XP machine.
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug 28 09:22:22 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:22:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB115@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <105701c36ce9$b002a910$f502a8c0@eden>

The Outlook addin explicitly prevents any folder with the "I am a deleted
items folder" folder from being used.  The big issue is incremental training
- we consider all items that move into our "Spam" folder should be trained
as Spam.  Clearly, if you were using Deleted Items, this incremental
training strategy would fail.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=skippinet.com.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=skippinet.com.au@python.org
> ]On Behalf
> Of Coe, Bob
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 10:26 PM
> To: spambayes@Python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] RE: (no subject)
> 
> 
> I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I've always wondered 
> why the answer to 3.10 is what it is. In Outlook, the 
> "delete" operation is just a special case of the "move" 
> operation, so it's counterintuitive that specifying the 
> "Deleted Items" folder as your spam folder won't work. OTOH, 
> I have no reason to doubt your testing to date. So assuming 
> that Outlook somehow blocks you from moving identified spam 
> into the current Deleted Items folder, will it work if you 
> move it to the Deleted Items folder of another .pst file? 
> I.e., would Outlook be fooled into failing to enforce its 
> peculiar restriction in that case?
> 
> Or is it that the Deleted Items "folder" (in any file) is a 
> fiction and therefore can't be referred to in some contexts 
> where real folders can?
> 
> I suppose I could test it myself. Oh, well, one of these days.....
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:44 PM
> > To: dwalker@kidsbh.com; spambayes@python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] (no subject)
> > 
> > 
> > > Is it possible to delete the mail in the spam folder, or will 
> > > that ruin the database?
> > 
> > Please see FAQ 3.10:
> > 
> > <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure
> > -spambayes
> > -to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>
> > 
> > And FAQ 4.6:
> > <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#do-i-need-to-keep-s
> > pam-after-
> > it-has-been-trained-if-so-for-how-long>
> > 
> > =Tony Meyer
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
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From marshall at lso.state.id.us  Wed Aug 27 17:29:46 2003
From: marshall at lso.state.id.us (Marshall Pinkston)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:28:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: GroupWise 6/6.5 and spambayes
Message-ID: <sf4cdc82.035@LSO_COMM>

Will this run on a Windows platform where Novell's GroupWise is the
email client.  Our legislators are drowning in spam and missing
important msgs. from consituants.  Thanks
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 11:52:18 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:53:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can not enable filtering
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BF5A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> the checkbox for 
> "enable filtering" is still greyed out. What can I do?

Please make sure that you've done everything in FAQ 3.8:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

=Tony Meyer

From beckman at purplecow.com  Wed Aug 27 19:52:12 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:53:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Dismayed by slow learning
In-Reply-To: <03f901c36cde$f9ab52c0$5500fea9@shortygeorge>
References: <03f901c36cde$f9ab52c0$5500fea9@shortygeorge>
Message-ID: <20030827184418.F2696@thermonuclear.org>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Adam Lasnik wrote:

> I've migrated to SpamBayes from POPfile, and I'm a bit concerned and
> disappointed by what I perceive to be SpamBayes' slower learning
> process.

Double check the size and timestamp on your hammie.db file to see if it is
being written to.  It's possible that your training is doing nothing; file
permissions might not be right, or maybe you changed the filename of the
hammie.db without changing your config?

> While I'm grateful that I'm not getting any false positives with
> SpamBayes, I am confused as to why it doesn't learn to score
> clearly-spam mails with a high percentage, even when they're nearly
> identical to spams I've just classified!

I used 500 each of spam and ham (recent spam and recent ham) to initially
train SB; I continue to get a lot more spam than I do ham, but I still only
get maybe 1-2 spam a day in my inbox, vs the 200+ I was getting per day
before SB.  Sure, my unsure tank has more than I'd like, but since I made
the spam_cutoff 0.80, I've had a lot more success, and a lot less unsure.
I'll continue to monitor it and see if I should reduce the spam_cutoff even
further.

You might want to examine your unsure folder, and if 90% of them have a
score of 0.80 or more, you could reduce your spam_cutoff (defaults to 0.90)
to 0.80.

> For instance, I've gotten several Nigerian spams, and I'm sure not
> getting any Ham that sounds like this crud!  But SpamBayes still puts
> these spams in my Possibly Spam folder.

 Nigerian's are tough.  I still get a few.  Be patient -- SB will learn
 their ways and can them yet.

> Worse yet, I've gotten several e-mails advertising girls down on the
> farm (and we're not talking about migrant workers here), and even after
> flagging two of them as spam, they show up scored as only 3%.

 Leads me to believe that your training process might be flawed.  Either
 something technical, or you aren't doing it right!  Not saying that you
 are doing it wrong, but the fact that you say you trained SB on one of
 those emails, and it's letting more through throws up a "something's
 broken" flag to me.

> Any info or advice on what's going on?  At least so far, I'm spending
> more time re-classifying mails than I'm saving from SpamBayes :(

 That's definitely a bad thing.  You shouldn't have to do a whole lot of
 training after the first 500 spam/ham.

Beckman
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 11:58:16 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:58:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BF69@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Somewhat off this topic, but FWIW]

>  - NOT grow infinitely (automatically trim old data;
>    deciding what "old data" is, however, sounds hard)

Note that growth (for spambayes at least) generally tapers off at a
certain point; growth certainly isn't linear.  Back in the early days
(IIRC) there was date data included with tokens, which would let old
ones be trimmed off, but this didn't prove to be helpful.

If you wanted to trim the database, you might be better off doing
something like removing all tokens in the 0.45-0.55 range, that have
been in x number of messages.  These common words aren't really
effecting the scores, so they're not all that much use.  OTOH, of
course, since they're common, they'll probably end up back in the db
before long.

=Tony Meyer

From richard at death2spam.net  Thu Aug 28 11:58:39 2003
From: richard at death2spam.net (Richard Jowsey)
Date: Wed Aug 27 18:59:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <BJECKEOAIEMLPCHFCDIMEEAGCBAA.itamar.rosenn@clinton.com>
Message-ID: <3F4DE05F.7443.1DA2BDCF@localhost>

> I'm wondering if anyone has some opinions about whether this is
> absolutely set in stone, or whether there might be some good ways to
> implement SpamBayes at the gateway level.

It's not SpamBayes, but I've successfully implemented a Bayesian 
gateway filter (POP/SMTP) which utilizes both "system-wide" and 
"personal" data. The logic for assigning spam probabilities in this 
scenario has required a considerable amount of R&D, experimentation, 
testing and measurement, plus some fairly tricky memory and database 
management. However, it's now working very well, on our public proxy 
servers and at a number of ISP/corporate clients. AFAIK, it's 
currently the only commercial-grade Bayesian implementation which 
does this.

Just FYI...

Cheers,
Richard Jowsey


From spambayes at kaishaku.org  Wed Aug 27 19:00:48 2003
From: spambayes at kaishaku.org (spambayes@kaishaku.org)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:01:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BCF6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BCF6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <89739028586.20030827180048@kaishaku.org>


--> Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 9:17:40 PM, T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz wrote:

>> I would prefer to use something other than spambayes at this time
>> because I often find myself restarting the spambayes proxy manually
>> after noticing I have not been receiving mail for some hours.

> Do you mean that messages don't turn up on the review page (the bug
> causing this was recently fixed) or that your mail client isn't able to
> download mail from the server?

The process exits.

-kaishaku


From spambayes at kaishaku.org  Wed Aug 27 19:02:44 2003
From: spambayes at kaishaku.org (spambayes@kaishaku.org)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:03:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <3F4D1075.19458.362375@localhost>
References: <120661543989.20030826202924@kaishaku.org>
	<3F4D1075.19458.362375@localhost>
Message-ID: <80739144613.20030827180244@kaishaku.org>


--> Wednesday, August 27, 2003, 7:11:33 AM, aarontay@mochamail.com wrote:

>> Does spambayes have any competition which is as accurate? I am willing to
>> consider commercial alternatives and require Windows support.

> Asking on a mailinglist specially developed to a certain software for alternatives to said
> software is usually not a good idea :) Espically, so when asking for commercial alternatives!

As a matter of curiosity, why do you think that is?

> Well, I'm a user of Popfile and have used K9, [both free, the former is open source] both are
> popular (perhaps the most popular bayesian filters currently? ) and are very accurate.
> Spambayes fans will of course claims spambayes is more accurate (well popfile is accurate
> enough for me at 99.5%) and point out that neither has a "unsure" classification.

I'll give them a try, great news that popfile allows multiple classifications.
Is popfile stable? The version number is tiny, not that it probably means much.

-kaishaku


From cscs at cox-internet.com  Wed Aug 27 17:15:24 2003
From: cscs at cox-internet.com (Charlie Webster)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:15:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Outlook plugin non functional in outlook
	2000--tried troubleshooting no avail
Message-ID: <MPEPJEEGPENIMNFHMPMCKENMCGAA.cscs@cox-internet.com>

outlook 2000 with pocketmirror pro installed, windows XP pro SP1 fully
updated.

ran SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe. I get a critical stop sound after
install. files are there, including logs, but logs are blank. No toolbar in
outlook. Tried reseting etc.

any suggestions appreciated

ty


charlie





From cscs at cox-internet.com  Wed Aug 27 17:19:40 2003
From: cscs at cox-internet.com (Charlie Webster)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:20:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] PS spambayes Outlook plugin non functional in outlook
	2000--tried troubleshooting no avail
Message-ID: <MPEPJEEGPENIMNFHMPMCOENMCGAA.cscs@cox-internet.com>

PS 2 details i forgot to include. My pst file is sored in a folder in my
documents. I have NAV 2002.


outlook 2000 with pocketmirror pro installed, windows XP pro SP1 fully
updated.

ran SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe. I get a critical stop sound after
install. files are there, including logs, but logs are blank. No toolbar in
outlook. Tried reseting etc.

any suggestions appreciated

ty


charlie





From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 12:37:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:38:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFB3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tony Meyer]
> > You're after POPFile.
> 
> > <http://popfile.sf.net>

[Kaishaku]
> Wow, it's very cool, does it have a mailing list for support? 
> I have a big complaint with the tray icon, it shows up and 
> goes away in sub-10 second intervals forever and ever, very 
> disruptive visually. Can I disable that?

Um, how would I know?  If you want support for POPFile, you're probably
best off looking for help at popfile.sf.net...

OTOH, if you want support for SpamBayes, then you're in the right place.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 12:41:39 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:42:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>  What about a modified SpamBayes, where each incoming email 
> address has/creates  its own database?  That way, each user 
> would still have their own  individualized database, but they 
> would all use the same codebase.

What are you saving here, though?  You're just moving the expense of the
storage and processing to the server; clients tend to have this in
abundance, servers have little to spare.  The only advantages that I see
are that you save the cost of transferring mail between the server and
the client, and clients don't have to install extra software.

Re: the latter - if the clients have to learn a whole new
interface/system to train the thing, is it that much of a big deal to
get them to install something first?

Re: the former - how expensive this is depends on the exact setup.
You'd have to weigh up whether this is worth it giving the other costs.

That said, I believe that Death2Spam (see the related page) does
something along these lines (not using SpamBayes, but similar).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 12:43:49 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:44:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFC5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>>> I would prefer to use something other than spambayes at this time 
>>> because I often find myself restarting the spambayes proxy manually 
>>> after noticing I have not been receiving mail for some hours.
> 
>> Do you mean that messages don't turn up on the review page (the bug 
>> causing this was recently fixed) or that your mail client isn't able 
>> to download mail from the server?
> 
> The process exits.

The pop3proxy process?  Does it give a traceback, or just silently end?
I haven't seen reports of this before; I'd be very interested in fixing
this if it is a bug.

How were you running it?  As a service?  In a console window?
Double-clicking a script?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 12:52:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 19:53:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFD4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> If not how does one enable SpamBayes?

Please see FAQ 3.8:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

=Tony Meyer

From postmaster at questing.com  Wed Aug 27 19:21:20 2003
From: postmaster at questing.com (Postmaster)
Date: Wed Aug 27 20:21:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] WARNING: YOU MAY HAVE A VIRUS
Message-ID: <200308271821.AA633012288@questing.com>

The Declude Virus software on questing.com has reported that you 
sent an E-mail to dsquest@questing.com, containing the Unknown Virus virus in the
Unknown File attachment.  The subject of the E-mail was "Re: Approved".  
The E-mail containing the virus has been quarantined to prevent further damage.

Headers Follow:
Received: from COSRV4 [67.160.191.219] by mail.cybernet1.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.02) id AAF225B60040; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:21:06 -0600
From: <spambayes@python.org>
To: <dsquest@questing.com>
Subject: Re: Approved
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:26:08 --0700
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Importance: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="_NextPart_000_F8CDA49E"
Message-Id: <200308271821864.SM02008@COSRV4>


---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses]


From fuerte at sci.fi  Thu Aug 28 04:30:55 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Wed Aug 27 20:30:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing features in pop3proxy web interface
Message-ID: <3F4D4D3F.3090303@sci.fi>

There are two missing features:

1) Show message tokens

"Show spam clues" does not show all of them. Perhaps the list should be 
just paged. The Outlook add-in already does this.

2) Word query should show all words starting with certain text if the 
user adds * in the end

For example: url:great*

Harri



From spambayes at kaishaku.org  Wed Aug 27 21:05:28 2003
From: spambayes at kaishaku.org (spambayes@kaishaku.org)
Date: Wed Aug 27 21:05:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFC5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFC5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <175746508612.20030827200528@kaishaku.org>


--> Wednesday, August 27, 2003, 6:43:49 PM, T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz wrote:

>>>> I would prefer to use something other than spambayes at this time 
>>>> because I often find myself restarting the spambayes proxy manually 
>>>> after noticing I have not been receiving mail for some hours.
>> 
>>> Do you mean that messages don't turn up on the review page (the bug 
>>> causing this was recently fixed) or that your mail client isn't able 
>>> to download mail from the server?
>> 
>> The process exits.

> The pop3proxy process?  Does it give a traceback, or just silently end?
> I haven't seen reports of this before; I'd be very interested in fixing
> this if it is a bug.

You'd have to tell me where to look for them, I don't have the console
window output.

> How were you running it?  As a service?  In a console window?
> Double-clicking a script?

Running pop3proxy.pyw from Startup folder, goes into the background, no
console window. I don't have the nerve to keep console windows for daemons
sitting around my desktop.

-k


From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Aug 27 21:11:13 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Aug 27 21:11:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] viewing the contents of the spambayes DB
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115098@cliff.bai.org>

I can't seem to find this info anywhere else in the docs... what
database technology does spambayes use? What tools can I use to look at
the spambayes database (specifically, one generated by an outlook
plug-in)?
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 14:14:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 21:14:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] alternatives to spambayes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C04D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> >> The process exits.
> 
> > The pop3proxy process?  Does it give a traceback, or just silently 
> > end? I haven't seen reports of this before; I'd be very 
> > interested in 
> > fixing this if it is a bug.
> 
> You'd have to tell me where to look for them, I don't have 
> the console window output.

In the console window. :)

> Running pop3proxy.pyw from Startup folder, goes into the 
> background, no console window. I don't have the nerve to keep 
> console windows for daemons sitting around my desktop.

The problem with this is that means that any error messages are lost.
When things are working fine, it should be ok, but to figure out a
problem, it's not.  In a future release pop3proxy will use a log (like
the Outlook plug-in already does), but that hasn't been implemented yet
(it is only alpha).

If you were willing to run it in a console window until the process
terminates, and then let me know what the traceback is, that would be
great.  If you're not willing to because you're using POPFile now, never
mind; if it is a bug, someone else will report it.

=Tony Meyer

From cheryl at sonsoftennessee.com  Wed Aug 27 21:55:26 2003
From: cheryl at sonsoftennessee.com (Cheryl Runquist)
Date: Wed Aug 27 21:55:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help...we are using Outlook Express
Message-ID: <000801c36d07$747ec6d0$f8edfea9@CHERYL>

We are using Windows XP and Outlook Express.  We were hit last week with the virus and alleviated the virus with a patch.  Everything was back to normal for a couple of days, and then a virus invaded our e-mail.  We are now receiving about a hundred junk e-mails a day from unfamiliar sources, all with attachments, and the only message being "read the attachment." 

Our ISP suggested we download your filter system, but from what I see it doesn't work with Outlook Express.

Any suggestions?  We are becoming desperate.

Thanks,
Cheryl Runquist

cheryl@SonsOfTennessee.com
From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Aug 27 22:26:56 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Aug 27 22:28:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help...we are using Outlook Express
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D3CE@cliff.bai.org>

From: Cheryl Runquist [mailto:cheryl@sonsoftennessee.com] 
> Any suggestions?  We are becoming desperate.

Yours is not a spam problem. Spambayes will not help you.

1) Patch all of your systems by going to www.windowsupdate.com and
installing everything it lists as critical. This will take hours. Turn
on automatic updating on Windows 2000 and XP machines.

2) Purchase a good anti-virus software package (one that includes mail
scanning) for every machine, install it, and keep it up to date. I
suggest www.antivirus.com, but there are many others.

3) Get a firewall appliance for your corporate internet connection or
use a software firewall on each machine. Block all inbound traffic from
the internet.

4) Get an ISP that has some hint of a clue about how computers work.

*If you're unwilling to do the above, unable to afford it, or unable
figure it out, then your organization doesn't have the resources (people
or money) necessary to run Windows in a business environment. If that's
the case, I suggest you gain expertise in Linux or another free OS, and
learn to live with its quirks, or turn off your computers and use
pencils and paper.

Regards,
	Ryan

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 15:41:37 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 22:42:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help...we are using Outlook Express
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C0DD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Cheryl Runquist]
> We are using Windows XP and Outlook Express.  We were hit 
> last week with the virus and alleviated the virus with a 
> patch.  Everything was back to normal for a couple of days, 
> and then a virus invaded our e-mail.  We are now receiving 
> about a hundred junk e-mails a day from unfamiliar sources, 
> all with attachments, and the only message being "read the 
> attachment." 

[Ryan Malayter]
> Yours is not a spam problem. Spambayes will not help you.

This is not necessarily true.  If I understand Cheryl's message
correctly, they have removed the virus from their system and their
problem is a mass of bounce style messages, similar to the ones that are
killing everyone at the moment.  SpamBayes is quite capable of learning
to filter these messages.

[Cheryl Runquist]
> Our ISP suggested we download your filter system, but from 
> what I see it doesn't work with Outlook Express.

That is definitely not true.  Outlook Express doesn't have a plug-in
like Outlook does, but you can quite simply use the POP3 proxy (or IMAP,
whichever is appropriate).  You will end up with messages that you train
as bad being tagged with "spam" in the subject (or recipient list), and
can use the Outlook Express rules to filter those away (straight into
the trash, if desired).

All the instructions necessary are in the new readme, or in the
integration.txt file in the 1.0a4 release.  (A new release is due out
any time now, but you might not want to wait for it).

Whether spambayes is the *best* solution is another question, but it
should do the job fine.

=Tony Meyer

From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Aug 27 22:45:11 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Aug 27 22:45:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help...we are using Outlook Express
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D3CF@cliff.bai.org>

My apologies, Cheryl...  I forgot to mention in my previous message that
the virus messages you're seeing are coming from other infected
machines, most likely those still on your network, the network of
business partners, or on the home machines of your corporate users. Or
they might be all the way around the world. The messages will have
spoofed return addresses, and most likely spoofed message headers,
making their source difficult to determine. 

So you will have to filter the messages out. A respectable antivirus
software package will scan your incoming mail and quarantine the virus
messages. 

A spam filter might help, but only if the program's rule base knows to
filter this particular virus as spam. Most spam filters do not do this
by default: they look for spam, not viruses. Training spambayes to
filter these messages would be fairly easy, simply call them spam during
the training process.

However, spambayes is most likely not the right solution for you, since
there is no GUI plug-in for Outlook Express, and you probably do not
have the technical expertise to install and use a command-line based
mail proxy on each of your machines.

If you get a better ISP, or pay your current one more, they should scan
your incoming mail for viruses. Note this is not a substitute for
antivirus software on each desktop or a good firewall (not all viruses
spread via email).

Your cheapest solution, of course, is a little user training and the
delete key.

From stephen at theboulets.net  Wed Aug 27 23:17:45 2003
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:18:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy: "address already in use"?
Message-ID: <200308272217.45676.stephen@theboulets.net>

Running "/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py -b", I get the following messages. Does the 
command start the server as well as try to launch the browser? I'm also a 
little confused as to whether this needs to be run as root. How does 
spambayes figure out what my default browser is?

Thanks.


# /usr/bin/pop3proxy.py -b
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta1, version 0.1 (May 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading database... Done.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py", line 778, in ?
    run()
  File "/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py", line 772, in run
    main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
  File "/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py", line 708, in main
    httpServer = UserInterfaceServer(uiPort)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 89, 
in __init__
    Dibbler.HTTPServer.__init__(self, uiPort)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 296, in 
__init__
    (self, context), context._map)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 267, in 
__init__
    self.bind(port)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 312, in bind
    return self.socket.bind (addr)
socket.error: (98, 'Address already in use')


-- 
Stephen      
              From here to there
             and there to here,
           funny things are everywhere.  -- Dr Seuss



From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 28 00:25:41 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:26:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help...we are using Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D3CE@cliff.bai.org>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D3CE@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <20030827232131.V2696@thermonuclear.org>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Ryan Malayter wrote:

> *If you're unwilling to do the above, unable to afford it, or unable
> figure it out, then your organization doesn't have the resources (people
> or money) necessary to run Windows in a business environment. If that's
> the case, I suggest you gain expertise in Linux or another free OS, and
> learn to live with its quirks, or turn off your computers and use
> pencils and paper.

 Ryan -- the same thing will happen with Linux, FreeBSD or other non
 Windows variant.  Linux, while free, is not easier to administer, nor is
 it easier to lock down.  While you CAN lock it down, given that it has a
 built in firewall, an easy interface to see what is listening to what
 ports, etc., that does not make it easy to lock down.  It doesn't mean
 there aren't worms/viruses (open relays and proxies, rootkits, etc).  It
 doesn't mean they won't have problems -- just different ones.

 I agree with you on all counts -- get a firewall, get anti-virus software,
 and get someone (consultant, anyone) who has a clue about networks and
 systems admin and hire them on a contract-as-needed basis.  But turning to
 another OS will only bring them problems, albeit different ones, with a
 whole lot less people in the world to help them.

Beckman
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From jason.ahrens at rogers.com  Thu Aug 28 00:34:17 2003
From: jason.ahrens at rogers.com (Jason Ahrens)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:34:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] First time use problems?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0308272330480.8312@cougar.canadianwilds.org>

Hello, I am having a problem with getting SpamBayes to work for me.

I have tried both 1.0a4, and from CVS. In both instances I have the same
problem. I am trying to set up SpamBayes on a Linux 2.4 system, using
Python 2.3. My mailboxes are maildir format.

When I give the command "hammiefilter.py -n" to initialize a database, as
shows in the documentation, I get the following error:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/python-2.3/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 53, in ?
    from spambayes import hammie, Options, mboxutils
  File "/opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py",
line 260
    if __name__ == "__main__":
     ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

I've turned up nothing so far with searches through the archives of the
mailing list, so I am hoping someone can help me.

Thanks

Jason

--
The only thing you can change is yourself;
but sometimes, that changes everything.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 16:34:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:35:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy: "address already in use"?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C129@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Running "/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py -b", I get the following 
> messages. Does the command start the server as well as try to
> launch the browser?

If it has been given the information to do so, yes, it will start
everything up and open a browser window.  If you haven't entered in the
server details, then the port that is already in use is probably 8880,
the interface one.  Try "pop3proxy.py -u xxxx -b", where xxxx is a port
you know is available.

> I'm also a little confused as to whether this needs to be run as root.

It doesn't.  However, normal restrictions apply, so if only root
processes can bind ports <1024, then pop3proxy will need to proxy on
ports >= 1024 or run as root.

> How does spambayes figure out what my default browser is?

See section 11.1 of the Python documentation:

<http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-webbrowser.html>

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu Aug 28 00:22:30 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:38:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: GroupWise 6/6.5 and spambayes
In-Reply-To: <sf4cdc82.035@LSO_COMM>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGECJFIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Marshall Pinkston]
> Will this run on a Windows platform where Novell's GroupWise is the
> email client.

I haven't heard of anyone using spambayes with GroupWise, and don't know
whether it's feasible.  From what I remember of my days using GroupWise, it
was difficult to get it to interact with external programs.  The spambayes
pop3proxy approach *should* work with just about any email client, though.
If "pop3proxy" doesn't mean anything to you, ask an internal IT person to
look into it.

> Our legislators are drowning in spam and missing important msgs. from
> consituants.

Then they should use the time they save from not seeing those important
messages to craft stronger anti-spam legislation <wink>.

Have you read the following page?  If not, you should:

    http://tinyurl.com/lfjx

Based on what Novell says there, I'm confident that GroupWise 6.5's built-in
"junk mail handling" is approximately useless.  I expect they agree, since
they go on to give links to 11 third-party spam products claiming to work
with GroupWise.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 16:47:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:48:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] viewing the contents of the spambayes DB
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C13A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> what database technology does spambayes use?

It depends.  You can use a Python pickle, one of various dbms (bsddb,
gdbm), mySQL or postgreSQL (the two SQLs aren't in 1.0a4, and only
lightly tested).  I think that the tools in the pspam directory play
about with using ZODB, and this might be something that happens in the
future.  If you're using a binary of the Outlook plugin, then you're
using bsddb.  If you're using the Outlook plugin from source, you're
almost certainly using bsddb or a pickle.

> What tools can I 
> use to look at the spambayes database (specifically, one 
> generated by an outlook plug-in)? 

Take a look at the dbExpImp.py script in the main directory of the
source releases.  You can use this to convert the database to a '`'
separated text file, which you can then look at in anything you like.
The command will look like "dbExpImp.py -e -D default_bayes_database.db
-f default_bayes_database.txt".

=Tony Meyer

From stephen at theboulets.net  Wed Aug 27 23:54:38 2003
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Wed Aug 27 23:55:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy: "address already in use"?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C129@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C129@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308272254.38999.stephen@theboulets.net>

Thanks. I now have a new entry for BROWSER in my bash_profile. I guess I tried 
earlier to use port 8880 and it was bound, although I could find no running 
process associated with it.

Trying to save a config file from the web interface gets me this error:

[snip]

 File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 312, in bind
    return self.socket.bind (addr)

error: (13, 'Permission denied')

Looks like I need to run the browser as root, or use the source distribution 
from my local directory, so running "python setup.py install" maybe wasn't 
the correct thing to do.

-- Stephen

On Wednesday 27 August 2003 10:34 pm, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > Running "/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py -b", I get the following
> > messages. Does the command start the server as well as try to
> > launch the browser?
>
> If it has been given the information to do so, yes, it will start
> everything up and open a browser window.  If you haven't entered in the
> server details, then the port that is already in use is probably 8880,
> the interface one.  Try "pop3proxy.py -u xxxx -b", where xxxx is a port
> you know is available.
>
> > I'm also a little confused as to whether this needs to be run as root.
>
> It doesn't.  However, normal restrictions apply, so if only root
> processes can bind ports <1024, then pop3proxy will need to proxy on
> ports >= 1024 or run as root.
>
> > How does spambayes figure out what my default browser is?
>
> See section 11.1 of the Python documentation:
>
> <http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-webbrowser.html>
>
> =Tony Meyer

-- 
Stephen      
              From here to there
             and there to here,
           funny things are everywhere.  -- Dr Seuss



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 17:00:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 00:00:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy: "address already in use"?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C151@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Trying to save a config file from the web interface gets me 
> this error:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 312, in bind
>     return self.socket.bind (addr)
> 
> error: (13, 'Permission denied')
> 
> Looks like I need to run the browser as root,

It's not the browser that needs to run as root, it's the proxy, but yes,
that would fix it.  An easier solution, though, is just to proxy on high
ports.  For example, proxy pop.example.com:110 to yourmachine:1110.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 18:31:20 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 01:32:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing features in pop3proxy web interface
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C1C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> There are two missing features:
> 
> 1) Show message tokens
> 
> "Show spam clues" does not show all of them. Perhaps the list
> should be just paged. The Outlook add-in already does this.

At the moment, it shows all the tokens that were used in the
classification.  It wouldn't be that hard to change this to display the
same information as the Outlook plug-in (score, clues with counts,
message itself, all tokens), but I wonder if this is really necessary -
it ends up being a *huge* page, or very complicated and on several
pages.  How important do you think this is?

> 2) Word query should show all words starting with certain text if the
> user adds * in the end
> 
> For example: url:great*

That shouldn't be that hard to do.  Could you open a feature request on
sourceforge and assign it to me (anadelonbrin)?  I'm not sure I'll get
to this for the next release, but once we start adding features again
I'll get to it if I remember (having the sf tracker means that I will
definitely remember).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 18:40:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 01:41:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C1D2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I pulled the latest CVS this morning and tried it - same problem.

Oh well, it was a nice thought.

> I'm assuming you meant line 231, not 331, as the place to add the
> print statements, since 331 doesn't line up.

Opps.  Sorry, you're right.

> And the answer is:
[...]
> pulled " RCPT TO:<edrubins@mindspring.com>"
> pushed " RCPT TO: <edrubins@mindspring.com>"
[...]
> pulled " QUIT"
> pushed " QUIT "
> 
> There seems to be an extra space after the pushed QUIT, which 
> isn't there after the pulled QUIT, or any other command except
> the pushed RSET. Hope this helps.

It does, yes.  The proxy should only push what it pulls - exactly.  I
think that the smtp server is trying to use the space after the QUIT as
another command, which is not right.

I'll try and get a fix for this shortly, and let you know when it's done
so you can try it out.

Thanks for the help tracking this down.

=Tony Meyer

From job at webde-ag.de  Thu Aug 28 09:00:33 2003
From: job at webde-ag.de (Joerg Beyer)
Date: Thu Aug 28 02:01:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBCD@xatl01.atl.hp.com>
References: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBCD@xatl01.atl.hp.com>
Message-ID: <3F4D9A81.9050307@webde-ag.de>

ROTTENBERG,HAL (HP-USA,ex1) wrote:
> I saw an article the other day (freshmeat.net review of spam filters) that
> mentioned the position of the author that spam filtering at the server level
> should only consist of "checking outside of the envelope", not "opening the
> envelope".  In other words RBL and obviously fudged mail headers.  And leave
> the filtering of the content side to the client.  For CPU reasons surely
> that is a valid point.  
> 
> But can we do better?  What about installing clients on everyone's desktop,
> but the corpuses (corpusi?  :) will feed in to a master server, and it would

one corpus
two corpora

> do comparitive score analysis across the results and only keep the worst of
> the worst.  Even if that only catches 10% of the spam, that would save
> network bandwidth.

with one ham/spam statistic you have to find the x% of the mail,
on which every receiver agrees that it is spam - hard to tell, but not
impossible.

A solution that makes it possible that every receiver has it's own
statistic will be _much_ better.

	Joerg


From stephen at theboulets.net  Thu Aug 28 02:03:48 2003
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Thu Aug 28 02:04:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification not appearing
Message-ID: <200308280103.48043.stephen@theboulets.net>

I've gotten the pop3proxy.py setup such that it downloads my mail from my ISP. 
I don't however see any "X-Spambayes-Classification" in my headers. Any ideas 
on how to troubleshoot this?

Thanks.

-- 
Stephen      
              From here to there
             and there to here,
           funny things are everywhere.  -- Dr Seuss



From job at webde-ag.de  Thu Aug 28 09:06:23 2003
From: job at webde-ag.de (Joerg Beyer)
Date: Thu Aug 28 02:07:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <F413609729667C40B15EE599A43A94B801A0A1CF@entcmail1.harrahs.org>
References: <F413609729667C40B15EE599A43A94B801A0A1CF@entcmail1.harrahs.org>
Message-ID: <3F4D9BDF.8080305@webde-ag.de>

Bobby Wilkins wrote:
> My bayes DB is 17MB; we have over 1,000 users on an Exchange server; we might have upwards of 17GB of disk for bayes databases alone.  Considering we currently limit users to 100MB of storage, this would represent an increase of ~20% in our Exchange server disk.  I'd also warrant that it would be a more-than-20% increase in disk I/O for the database activity...


ok, that's what berkley db makes of it. They optimize for speed - as far
as I can see. Could you make a dump of you byes DB (to ascii, just
word and ham/spam count)? I assume that the dump is _much_ smaller.

I tested with a rather small byes DB and had a factor >15.

> To be commercially-viable, a server-based bayes implementation that kept individual databases would:
>  - have to be able to store its data efficiently (grouping 
>    common message information while keeping individual
>    scores sounds difficult off-the-cuff)
>  - potentially use a compressed database engine (don't know
>    if there is one of those around, but I've seen a few
>    proprietary ones)
>  - NOT hammer the server in either CPU or disk I/O
>  - NOT grow infinitely (automatically trim old data;
>    deciding what "old data" is, however, sounds hard)

you could even use a (or more) dedicted box(es).


	Joerg


From dman at dman13.dyndns.org  Thu Aug 28 03:31:58 2003
From: dman at dman13.dyndns.org (Derrick 'dman' Hudson)
Date: Thu Aug 28 02:32:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: alternatives to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <175746508612.20030827200528@kaishaku.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFC5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<175746508612.20030827200528@kaishaku.org>
Message-ID: <20030828063158.GA13546@dman13.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:05:28PM -0500, spambayes@kaishaku.org wrote:
| --> Wednesday, August 27, 2003, 6:43:49 PM, T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz wrote:

| > How were you running it?  As a service?  In a console window?
| > Double-clicking a script?
| 
| Running pop3proxy.pyw from Startup folder, goes into the background, no
| console window. I don't have the nerve to keep console windows for daemons
| sitting around my desktop.

Run the .py, not the .pyw, variant to get the error message.

-D

-- 
If your life is a hard drive,
Christ can be your backup.
 
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/
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From harri.pesonen at wicom.com  Thu Aug 28 11:25:30 2003
From: harri.pesonen at wicom.com (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Thu Aug 28 03:25:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
Message-ID: <FC2AA30A6C037640BBDC45785F0E9B2607632A@postman.wicom.com>

It seems that URL parsing could be improved in many ways.

1) Replace % escapes.

Currently tokenizer.py says that "If it's full of % escapes, cool --
that's a clue too." I don't think so, I believe that the better the more
it is normalized (like the body text being lower-cased).

2) Find server names for ip addresses.

Same as above, to get more matches. Drawback - gets slower.

3) Remove numbers from the end of domain names (experimental).

www.buythis123.com => url:buythis

Or add a special token for domains ending with a number. This would need
most testing.

Just ideas, would try these myself, but I'm not ready yet. There
probably is a downloadable test set of ham and spam messages somewhere,
and a test suite probably already comes with SpamBayes, would be
interesting to test these.

Harri

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 21:50:51 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 04:51:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C202@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1) Replace % escapes.

This is the decodes column.  A definite loss.

> 2) Find server names for ip addresses.

Still running.  This is very slow.  I'll post the results when they
arrive, but it would have to be amazing for it to be worth waiting this
long ;)

> 3) Remove numbers from the end of domain names (experimental).
>    www.buythis123.com => url:buythis

This is the no_num_urls column.  No difference.

> Or add a special token for domains ending with a number.

This is the url_end_nums column.  No effective difference.

---

filename:  standards       url_end_nums
                   no_num_urls     decodes
ham:spam:  7900:15260      7900:15260
                   7900:15260      7900:15260
fp total:        1       1       1       2
fp %:         0.01    0.01    0.01    0.03
fn total:      225     225     224     222
fn %:         1.47    1.47    1.47    1.45
unsure t:      531     531     533     558
unsure %:     2.29    2.29    2.30    2.41
real cost: $341.20 $341.20 $340.60 $353.60
best cost: $540.60 $540.80 $540.40 $547.40
h mean:       0.50    0.50    0.51    0.60
h sdev:       4.25    4.25    4.27    4.72
s mean:      93.44   93.43   93.46   93.46
s sdev:      20.68   20.69   20.64   20.41
mean diff:   92.94   92.93   92.95   92.86
k:            3.73    3.73    3.73    3.70

---

These are only my results, of course, and not guaranteed to match anyone
else's.  If you (or anyone) has the testing setup ready and would like
to run any of these, I can provide patches or alternative versions of
tokenizer.py; just let me know.

Other ideas?  (Testing is fun ;)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 21:59:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 05:00:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C203@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > There seems to be an extra space after the pushed QUIT, which
> > isn't there after the pulled QUIT, or any other command except
> > the pushed RSET. Hope this helps.
> I'll try and get a fix for this shortly, and let you know 
> when it's done so you can try it out.

This is fixed in smtpproxy v1.12, which I just checked in, so will
appear anytime from now to this time tomorrow in anonymous cvs.  If you
could give it a go when it does, that would be great.  (It would be even
better if this worked ;)

Thanks again.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 22:02:10 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 05:03:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification not appearing
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C204@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've gotten the pop3proxy.py setup such that it downloads my 
> mail from my ISP. 
> I don't however see any "X-Spambayes-Classification" in my 
> headers. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? 

Is it definitely pulling the mail via the proxy and not directly?  If
messages are turning up in the review page of the interface then it is,
otherwise it's not (or something else is wrong ;).

What email client are you using?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 22:11:12 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 05:11:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook add-in bug
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C205@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Clearly a bug, which can be avoided by creating Spam and 
> Unsure folders in Mailbox folder (where Inbox is). It seems 
> that Personal Folders are not supported correctly.

Mark: Harri is correct - mail does get treated differently (for show
clues at least) depending on whether a message is in a pst file or
whether it is on the Exchange server.

Strange things do happen, too, when moving messages between the two, as
well - I did 'show clues' on a message in a pst file, then moved it to
Exchange, did show clues again (fewer tokens), then moved it back to the
pst file, and did show clues again and it doesn't have the same number
as it originally did. (Neither of these folders are being watched.)

Thoughts?

=Tony Meyer

From harri.pesonen at wicom.com  Thu Aug 28 13:25:40 2003
From: harri.pesonen at wicom.com (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Thu Aug 28 05:25:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
Message-ID: <FC2AA30A6C037640BBDC45785F0E9B2606F5B9@postman.wicom.com>

Great, thanks! :-)

I wonder why 1) was a loss. Perhaps it should add a special token when
it finds any % escapes, and then replace them. Care to try this as well?
:-)

Please send me the source code, I am reading the Quick Python book at
the moment...

Harri

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: 28. elokuuta 2003 11:51
To: Harri Pesonen; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas


> 1) Replace % escapes.

This is the decodes column.  A definite loss.

> 2) Find server names for ip addresses.

Still running.  This is very slow.  I'll post the results when they
arrive, but it would have to be amazing for it to be worth waiting this
long ;)

> 3) Remove numbers from the end of domain names (experimental).
>    www.buythis123.com => url:buythis

This is the no_num_urls column.  No difference.

> Or add a special token for domains ending with a number.

This is the url_end_nums column.  No effective difference.

---

filename:  standards       url_end_nums
                   no_num_urls     decodes
ham:spam:  7900:15260      7900:15260
                   7900:15260      7900:15260
fp total:        1       1       1       2
fp %:         0.01    0.01    0.01    0.03
fn total:      225     225     224     222
fn %:         1.47    1.47    1.47    1.45
unsure t:      531     531     533     558
unsure %:     2.29    2.29    2.30    2.41
real cost: $341.20 $341.20 $340.60 $353.60
best cost: $540.60 $540.80 $540.40 $547.40
h mean:       0.50    0.50    0.51    0.60
h sdev:       4.25    4.25    4.27    4.72
s mean:      93.44   93.43   93.46   93.46
s sdev:      20.68   20.69   20.64   20.41
mean diff:   92.94   92.93   92.95   92.86
k:            3.73    3.73    3.73    3.70

---

These are only my results, of course, and not guaranteed to match anyone
else's.  If you (or anyone) has the testing setup ready and would like
to run any of these, I can provide patches or alternative versions of
tokenizer.py; just let me know.

Other ideas?  (Testing is fun ;)

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Aug 28 20:33:57 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Aug 28 05:34:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook add-in bug
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C205@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <0c2901c36d47$814d2c90$f502a8c0@eden>

Hmm - I appear to have lost the context of this bug (ie, I have no idea what
you are talking about :)  Sounds like a job for sourceforge.

Either-that-or-too-much-to-drink-and-smoke ly,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 7:11 PM
> To: Mark Hammond
> Cc: Harri Pesonen; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: Outlook add-in bug
> 
> 
> > Clearly a bug, which can be avoided by creating Spam and 
> > Unsure folders in Mailbox folder (where Inbox is). It seems 
> > that Personal Folders are not supported correctly.
> 
> Mark: Harri is correct - mail does get treated differently 
> (for show clues at least) depending on whether a message is 
> in a pst file or whether it is on the Exchange server.
> 
> Strange things do happen, too, when moving messages between 
> the two, as well - I did 'show clues' on a message in a pst 
> file, then moved it to Exchange, did show clues again (fewer 
> tokens), then moved it back to the pst file, and did show 
> clues again and it doesn't have the same number as it 
> originally did. (Neither of these folders are being watched.)
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> =Tony Meyer
> 
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From bkc at murkworks.com  Thu Aug 28 09:06:44 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Thu Aug 28 08:11:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <3F4D9A81.9050307@webde-ag.de>
References: <D40B270649ACD3118E2800A0C9E319F317D9FBCD@xatl01.atl.hp.com>
Message-ID: <3F4DB901.2061.42B31236@localhost>

On 28 Aug 2003 at 8:00, Joerg Beyer wrote:

> > do comparitive score analysis across the results and only keep the worst
> > of the worst.  Even if that only catches 10% of the spam, that would save
> > network bandwidth.
> 
> with one ham/spam statistic you have to find the x% of the mail,
> on which every receiver agrees that it is spam - hard to tell, but not
> impossible.
> 
> A solution that makes it possible that every receiver has it's own
> statistic will be _much_ better.

I've been thinking about this too. Suppose you had a company with 100 employees.

If you pick 5 people and use their combined preferences to flag messages as 
ham/spam, would that be workable?

So, you would just flag a message, still send it through and leave it to the user's mua to 
dispose of as it wishes.

Perhaps some kind of 'voting scheme' could be used (rather than a simple spam score 
average).

I don't have enough people here to try this with, but I'd like to experiment with the idea.



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From Unterste at dow.com  Thu Aug 28 08:18:10 2003
From: Unterste at dow.com (Unterste, Andreas (AU))
Date: Thu Aug 28 08:19:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
Message-ID: <7FFE53FCE00EE649BDF0D1C4E4A24EF7988363@USMDLMDOWM041.dow.com>

I definetly think, the 'flagging only' would work and be greatly appreciated by the user. Nothing to install on the local workstation and most people have sophisticated email rules anyway which could just be amended by one for the server spam fag if so desired. It's unlikely that it will learn to filger e.g. the Nigerian scam ever but will drastically reduce volume - and leave the decision what to do with it where to set the personal threshold to the end user.

Cheers,
Andreas

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Clements [mailto:bkc@murkworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 08:07
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution


On 28 Aug 2003 at 8:00, Joerg Beyer wrote:

> > do comparitive score analysis across the results and only keep the worst
> > of the worst.  Even if that only catches 10% of the spam, that would save
> > network bandwidth.
> 
> with one ham/spam statistic you have to find the x% of the mail,
> on which every receiver agrees that it is spam - hard to tell, but not
> impossible.
> 
> A solution that makes it possible that every receiver has it's own
> statistic will be _much_ better.

I've been thinking about this too. Suppose you had a company with 100 employees.

If you pick 5 people and use their combined preferences to flag messages as 
ham/spam, would that be workable?

So, you would just flag a message, still send it through and leave it to the user's mua to 
dispose of as it wishes.

Perhaps some kind of 'voting scheme' could be used (rather than a simple spam score 
average).

I don't have enough people here to try this with, but I'd like to experiment with the idea.



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


_______________________________________________
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From job at webde-ag.de  Thu Aug 28 16:26:23 2003
From: job at webde-ag.de (Joerg Beyer)
Date: Thu Aug 28 09:27:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <F413609729667C40B15EE599A43A94B801A0A1DB@entcmail1.harrahs.org>
References: <F413609729667C40B15EE599A43A94B801A0A1DB@entcmail1.harrahs.org>
Message-ID: <3F4E02FF.7030804@webde-ag.de>

Bobby Wilkins wrote:
> If you let me know a simple process to dump it, I will provide you the count.

this python snippet works for me:

----------------------------------------
import anydbm
import cPickle

filename = "hammie.db"

db = anydbm.open(filename)
for key in db.keys():
     obj = db[key]
     value = cPickle.loads(obj)
     print key, value
----------------------------------------

it reads your berkley format hammie database and dumps it as text to
console. Just count the bytes of the output (this is an upper bound,
since you could encode numbers smaller then as ascii text, ect).

	Joerg


From stephen at theboulets.net  Thu Aug 28 09:31:30 2003
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Thu Aug 28 09:37:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification not appearing
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C204@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C204@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200308280831.30157.stephen@theboulets.net>

Nevermind; I can't read apparently (in kmail I changed the name of my server 
but not its location).

On Thursday 28 August 2003 04:02 am, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > I've gotten the pop3proxy.py setup such that it downloads my
> > mail from my ISP.
> > I don't however see any "X-Spambayes-Classification" in my
> > headers. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
>
> Is it definitely pulling the mail via the proxy and not directly?  If
> messages are turning up in the review page of the interface then it is,
> otherwise it's not (or something else is wrong ;).
>
> What email client are you using?
>
> =Tony Meyer

-- 
Stephen      
              From here to there
             and there to here,
           funny things are everywhere.  -- Dr Seuss



From edrubins at andisplace.com  Thu Aug 28 10:47:01 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Thu Aug 28 09:47:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C203@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030828092805.0389a900@localhost>

At 08:59 PM 8/28/2003 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > > There seems to be an extra space after the pushed QUIT, which
> > > isn't there after the pulled QUIT, or any other command except
> > > the pushed RSET. Hope this helps.
> > I'll try and get a fix for this shortly, and let you know
> > when it's done so you can try it out.
>
>This is fixed in smtpproxy v1.12, which I just checked in, so will
>appear anytime from now to this time tomorrow in anonymous cvs.  If you
>could give it a go when it does, that would be great.  (It would be even
>better if this worked ;)
>
>Thanks again.
>
>=Tony Meyer

I'll try it as soon as I can get to the SF CVS server. Meanwhile I tried adding

         cooked = cooked.rstrip()

after line 230. That did get rid of the extra space, but not the problem. 
Time to SBATAB (Step Back and Think A Bit.)

1. The "500 Unrecognized command message" does not seem to come from a 
Python module (I grep'ed the entire directory tree, including spambayes 
with no hits.)

2. The error occurs before the Norton Anti-Virus popup showing the email 
being scanned.

3. Norton probably won't start scanning the email until it sees the QUIT 
command.

4. Norton probably doesn't know about SMTP on any port except 25, therefore 
is most likely sitting between smtpproxy and the server.

5. As far as we  know, this problem has only been seen by those using 
Eudora 5.x and Norton.

6. The other difference between you and I (at least as far as this is 
concerned <wink>) is I'm using Eudora 5.1 and you're on 5.2. I'm not sure 
what version of Python you're using. I have 2.2.3.

Given all the above, the actual error response is probably coming from 
Norton, and not the SMTP server. If 1.12 doesn't fix it, how can I dump 
smtpproxy's port 25 data? I tried some prints in asynchat and asyncore, but 
I'm exactly sure which data I was looking at.


Best, Ed



From rmalayter at bai.org  Thu Aug 28 10:21:18 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Thu Aug 28 10:22:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111509D@cliff.bai.org>

From: Harri Pesonen [mailto:harri.pesonen@wicom.com] 
>2) Find server names for ip addresses.

This will cause rather large issues with sites that have round-robin
DNS. Which address to you choose? All of them? Some sites have dozens,
and they change frequently. Try:
	nslookup www.yahoo.com
to see what I mean.

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Aug 28 11:20:22 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Aug 28 10:22:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: (no subject)
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB116@SPIKE.city>

But that behavior is apparently optional (at least up through V 0.7). If the user turned that option off, you could allow him to specify the Deleted Items folder as his spam folder. I'm indifferent to the idea myself: I don't quite trust Spambayes enough to go straight to deletion (besides, I add most of my spam to our user initialization corpus), and I always use the "Delete as Spam" button (which I've recolored red, BTW) to flush unrecognized spam. But it does appear that there's enough interest to make it worth considering.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:22 PM
> To: Coe, Bob; spambayes@Python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: (no subject)
> 
> 
> The Outlook addin explicitly prevents any folder with the "I 
> am a deleted items folder" folder from being used.  The big 
> issue is incremental training - we consider all items that 
> move into our "Spam" folder should be trained as Spam.  
> Clearly, if you were using Deleted Items, this incremental 
> training strategy would fail.
> 
> Mark.

From rkohlman at kapur-assoc.com  Thu Aug 28 10:44:50 2003
From: rkohlman at kapur-assoc.com (Randy Kohlman)
Date: Thu Aug 28 10:47:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SPAMBAY problem
Message-ID: <3F4E1562.3040909@kapur-assoc.com>

I installed the latest version of 7.0 on a machine. I setup everything 
and it seems like everything is operating normally. If I highlight a 
message and hit the "Delete a spam" button I get an error stating  "you 
must enable spambays before you can delete as spam"

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Randy



From vlastimil.schart at arcus.no  Thu Aug 28 17:57:18 2003
From: vlastimil.schart at arcus.no (Schart, Vlastimil)
Date: Thu Aug 28 10:55:45 2003
Subject: SV: [Spambayes] SPAMBAY problem
Message-ID: <BAA160C92C58D511AB080002A551A174023BC293@OBDC>

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-need-t
o-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out

> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra:	Randy Kohlman [SMTP:rkohlman@kapur-assoc.com]
> Sendt:	28. august 2003 16:45
> Til:	spambayes@python.org
> Emne:	[Spambayes] SPAMBAY problem
> 
> I installed the latest version of 7.0 on a machine. I setup everything 
> and it seems like everything is operating normally. If I highlight a 
> message and hit the "Delete a spam" button I get an error stating  "you 
> must enable spambays before you can delete as spam"
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From bezu at rcn.com  Thu Aug 28 12:29:09 2003
From: bezu at rcn.com (Beth Zucker)
Date: Thu Aug 28 11:29:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam not filtering
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAV0QLfGG7JU+e69JQ1c6tS8KAAAAQAAAAAxbKoVWaYU2Ia+a+XLwW6AEAAAAA@rcn.com>

I installed Spambayes yesterday and turned on filtering. So far Spambayes
has not caught any spam or possible spam..everything is remaining in my
inboxes. Is this normal until I have more messages in my spam folder or is
something wrong?

 

 

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From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 28 13:41:11 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Thu Aug 28 12:42:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification not appearing
In-Reply-To: <200308280831.30157.stephen@theboulets.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C204@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200308280831.30157.stephen@theboulets.net>
Message-ID: <20030828095554.D17928@thermonuclear.org>

I can't see them either though.

 My .spambayesrc contains:
    [Headers]
    include_evidence: True
    include_score: True
    include_thermostat: True

but I don't see anything in my headers.  Using procmail; the
X-SpamBayes-Classification is there, no other SB header.

Thoughts?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Stephen Boulet wrote:

> Nevermind; I can't read apparently (in kmail I changed the name of my server
> but not its location).
>
> On Thursday 28 August 2003 04:02 am, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > > I've gotten the pop3proxy.py setup such that it downloads my
> > > mail from my ISP.
> > > I don't however see any "X-Spambayes-Classification" in my
> > > headers. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From fuerte at sci.fi  Thu Aug 28 21:37:16 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Thu Aug 28 13:37:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing features in pop3proxy web interface
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C1C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C1C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3F4E3DCC.2050605@sci.fi>

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>>There are two missing features:
>>
>>1) Show message tokens
>>
>>"Show spam clues" does not show all of them. Perhaps the list
>>should be just paged. The Outlook add-in already does this.
>>    
>>
>
>At the moment, it shows all the tokens that were used in the
>classification.  It wouldn't be that hard to change this to display the
>same information as the Outlook plug-in (score, clues with counts,
>message itself, all tokens), but I wonder if this is really necessary -
>it ends up being a *huge* page, or very complicated and on several
>pages.  How important do you think this is?
>  
>
It would be nice for Spambayes developers. It could be a separate button.

>>2) Word query should show all words starting with certain text if the
>>user adds * in the end
>>
>>For example: url:great*
>>    
>>
>
>That shouldn't be that hard to do.  Could you open a feature request on
>sourceforge and assign it to me (anadelonbrin)?  I'm not sure I'll get
>to this for the next release, but once we start adding features again
>I'll get to it if I remember (having the sf tracker means that I will
>definitely remember).
>  
>
Did it!

Harri

From fuerte at sci.fi  Thu Aug 28 21:44:45 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Thu Aug 28 13:46:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes Digest, Vol 60, Issue 104
In-Reply-To: <E19sPC5-0003LU-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E19sPC5-0003LU-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3F4E3F8D.2060701@sci.fi>

spambayes-request@python.org wrote:

>From: "Ryan Malayter" <rmalayter@bai.org>
>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
>
>From: Harri Pesonen [mailto:harri.pesonen@wicom.com] 
>  
>
>>>2) Find server names for ip addresses.
>>    
>>
>
>This will cause rather large issues with sites that have round-robin
>DNS. Which address to you choose? All of them? Some sites have dozens,
>and they change frequently. Try:
>	nslookup www.yahoo.com
>to see what I mean.
>  
>
In fact I meant the opposite. If the url has http://216.109.118.76/, 
then SpamBayes should resolve address to the host name, yielding 
p13.www.dcn.yahoo.com in this case. It would be better to tokenize host 
addresses than ip numbers (perhaps? needs testing of course).

Harri

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Aug 28 15:14:49 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Aug 28 14:16:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook Plug-in - Queries re SB filtering ...
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB117@SPIKE.city>

Stop me if you think I'm wrong . . . . .

Since Spambayes filtering works exclusively on the client side, its conflicts, if any, will be with Outlook filtering rules that are applied on the client. But in an Exchange Server environment, most rules that dispatch to folders in the user's Exchange mailbox are executed on the server. (The "junk mail" and "adult content" rules may be exceptions, but you hardly need them if you're using Spambayes.) So if you don't have a .PST file or you're very selective about what mail folders you include in your .PST file(s), you should be able to effectively eliminate the effects of the non-determinicity of the interaction.

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:26 AM
> To: James Hamill; Spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in - Queries re SB filtering
> vs.OutlookFilters and high spam scores greater than thresholdsnotbeing
> sent to spam folder
> 
> ...
> 
> > 2.) What is the interaction between SpamBayes 
> > filtering/actions and those of Outlook's own filters/actions.
> 
> Unfortunately this is undefined.  Spambayes kicks in as soon as Outlook
> tells it that a message has arrived.  When Outlook decides to do this
> depends on a whole heap of things, including how busy the machine
> currently is.  You should probably take a look at the timer options in
> the configuration page (from the about page that you can get to via the
> main dialog), which solve some of these problems (they make spambayes
> kick in after all the rules).  Although they're experimental in the 007
> release, they've made it into the mainstream for the next release (due
> reasonably soon).

From j.hamill at intpower.com  Thu Aug 28 13:45:27 2003
From: j.hamill at intpower.com (James Hamill)
Date: Thu Aug 28 15:46:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Request to alter the destination of the Spambayes log
	file
Message-ID: <NDBBICHKDLGIGGNGFHNEIEBDCOAA.j.hamill@intpower.com>

I am using the Outlook plug-in (version 0.7),under  Windwoes 98SE.  I
request that the default location for the SB. log file NOT be in the Windows
temp directory.  Many users routinely  strip or delete this folder at each
reboot to prevent it from becoming a garbage pit.
Instead the Spambayes Log. file should be located in a private folder under
\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\.  A user-defined variable (in the
.ini file) or within SB. can be used to set long-term limits on the size of
this file, including overwrite/ append capability.   Routinely blind writing
to the windows temp directory is just not best-practice.

Keep up the good work on Spambayes!

Jim Hamill
International Power Technology
408-246-9040  (office)   ~OR~
408-286-8693  (home)  ~OR~
408-828-8040  (cell).

jhamill@pacbell.net <mailto:jhamill@pacbell.net>   ~OR~
j.hamill@intpower.com <mailto:j.hamill@intpower.com>



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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Aug 28 17:19:57 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Aug 28 16:21:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Request to alter the destination of the Spambayes
	logfile
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FA4C@SPIKE.city>

Shouldn't it actually write to the Application Event Log?

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165


> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Hamill [mailto:j.hamill@intpower.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:45 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Request to alter the destination of the Spambayes
> logfile
> 
> 
> I am using the Outlook plug-in (version 0.7),under  Windwoes 98SE.  I
> request that the default location for the SB. log file NOT be in the Windows
> temp directory.  Many users routinely  strip or delete this folder at each
> reboot to prevent it from becoming a garbage pit.
> Instead the Spambayes Log. file should be located in a private folder under
> \Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\.  A user-defined variable (in the
> .ini file) or within SB. can be used to set long-term limits on the size of
> this file, including overwrite/ append capability.   
> Routinely blind writing to the windows temp directory is just not best-practice.
> 
> Keep up the good work on Spambayes!

From calvertconsulting at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 28 15:52:08 2003
From: calvertconsulting at earthlink.net (David Calvert)
Date: Thu Aug 28 16:53:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] OutLook Plug In?
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA4S/ZnkgJHU257Oeu3zjqnMKAAAAQAAAARMjx9gVQR0OGLEqV3ZDiRgEAAAAA@earthlink.net>


Hi,
Downloaded and Installed outlook plug in. Trained and Filtered ok.
Tool Bar ok however  when clicking on delete spam I get the following
message:
You must enable Spam Bayes before you can delete as spam.
 
Question do I have to download something else ?
 
Thanks,

 

			
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From david.e.valdez at intel.com  Thu Aug 28 15:07:15 2003
From: david.e.valdez at intel.com (Valdez, David E)
Date: Thu Aug 28 17:07:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes quits functioning after several days
Message-ID: <2F96D50D6E58B649AA918B0B091282C1038CCED5@orsmsx401.jf.intel.com>

I have installed the latest spambayes version from binary, version 007.
It worked correctly after configuration for 4 days and has subsequently
stopped working, either through the toolbar or as a spam filter. Nothing
on my machine appears to have changed in that timeframe. I've read the
troubleshooting page and since the toolbar doesn't work, I can't confirm
that the config hasn't magically changed, but I did nothing to change
it.

I've uninstalled, verified the registry was clean of any spambayes and
tried to find any other entries to clean...then I've re-installed it to
no avail. Perhaps the most disturbing failure is that the spambayes
toolbar remains after uninstalling. Also, no log files are generated :-(

Any suggestions?

David E. Valdez
PROSet Core Team Manager
d          503.712.1798
david.e.valdez@intel.com
 

From rmalayter at bai.org  Thu Aug 28 17:23:30 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Thu Aug 28 17:24:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Request to alter the destination of the
	Spambayeslogfile
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A011150B6@cliff.bai.org>

From: Coe, Bob [mailto:rcoe@CambridgeMA.GOV] 

> Shouldn't it actually write to the Application Event Log?

Windows 98, which James is still using, doesn't have a system-wide event
logging system like the one built into windows NT/2000/XP/2003.
	-Ryan-

From bren at pintglass.org  Thu Aug 28 15:30:16 2003
From: bren at pintglass.org (Brendon Connelly)
Date: Thu Aug 28 17:30:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SPAMBAY problem
In-Reply-To: <10E6C696E40B654AB7B5A934DB181F9A021A7833@foxmail.georgefox.edu>
Message-ID: <10E6C696E40B654AB7B5A934DB181F9A01446E0E@foxmail.campus.georgefox.edu>

I'm a brand new user (who read the docs), but from the number of
messages on this group relating to the topic of "enabling spambayes", it
seems that two text changes could be made to help newbies who are using
the Outlook plugin.

First, make the "enable" error message read "You must enable spambayes
filtering before you can delete as spam".
Second, change the text on the "enable filtering" checkbox to say
"enable spambayes filtering".

That ought to help most newbies find their own answer without wading
through the docs or hitting this list...



> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Randy Kohlman
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] SPAMBAY problem
> 
> 
> I installed the latest version of 7.0 on a machine. I setup 
> everything 
> and it seems like everything is operating normally. If I highlight a 
> message and hit the "Delete a spam" button I get an error 
> stating  "you 
> must enable spambays before you can delete as spam"
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
> 


From beckman at purplecow.com  Thu Aug 28 18:52:22 2003
From: beckman at purplecow.com (Peter Beckman)
Date: Thu Aug 28 17:53:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes as a gatway solution
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308BFBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030828175105.W21425@thermonuclear.org>

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> >  What about a modified SpamBayes, where each incoming email
> > address has/creates  its own database?  That way, each user
> > would still have their own  individualized database, but they
> > would all use the same codebase.
>
> What are you saving here, though?  You're just moving the expense of the
> storage and processing to the server; clients tend to have this in
> abundance, servers have little to spare.  The only advantages that I see
> are that you save the cost of transferring mail between the server and
> the client, and clients don't have to install extra software.

 Users cannot and should not be left responsible for filtering spam.  They
 are usually stupid and computer illiterate, and won't be able to upgrade
 themselves.  A single codebase is operable by one sysadmin who knows what
 they are doing.  I don't mind if you run spambayes on the local machine
 using the codebase from a server, why not just do that?

Peter
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 11:45:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 18:47:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SPAMBAY problem
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C30A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm a brand new user (who read the docs), but from the number
> of messages on this group relating to the topic of "enabling 
> spambayes", it seems that two text changes could be made to 
> help newbies who are using the Outlook plugin.

The next release of the plug-in avoids all of this.  When you first
install SpamBayes, it pops up a wizard that walks you through the
training process.  It should be clear from this what needs to be done to
get everything enabled.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 11:50:29 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 18:51:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification not appearing
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C311@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>  My .spambayesrc contains:
>     [Headers]
>     include_evidence: True
>     include_score: True
>     include_thermostat: True
> 
> but I don't see anything in my headers.  Using procmail; the 
> X-SpamBayes-Classification is there, no other SB header.

You're using hammiefilter, yes?  At the moment only pop3proxy and
imapfilter can add those headers (or more accurately, any of the apps
that use the sbheader_message class in the message.py module).

OTOH, doesn't hammiefilter include the score in the classification
header?  And there's a hammie option ([Hammie]debug_header) that adds
the evidence header (under the 'debug' name).  I don't think there's any
way to get a thermostat header, though.

At some point hammiefilter probably will use the same class as the other
apps (it's one of the reasons it was created); it just hasn't happened
yet.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 12:03:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 19:05:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] OutLook Plug In?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C31D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> You must enable Spam Bayes before you can delete as spam.

Please read FAQ 3.8:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n
eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out>

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 12:05:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 19:11:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam not filtering
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C320@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I installed Spambayes yesterday and turned on filtering. So 
> far Spambayes has not caught any spam or possible 
> spam..everything is remaining in my inboxes. Is this normal 
> until I have more messages in my spam folder or is something wrong?

If you add the spam column to your view, are the messages getting
scored?  If they are, are the scores higher than the thresholds?

How many ham and spam have you trained it with?  If it's really
unbalanced towards ham, then this could account for it.

If the messages aren't being scored, try going through the
troubleshooting guide (you get to it via the "About" link on the main
dialog).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 14:28:22 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 21:29:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C3E8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> That did get rid of the extra space, but not 
> the problem. 

That doesn't bode well for the cvs version.  (Although these are fixes
that I should be making anyway; it's not just for this problem).

> 1. The "500 Unrecognized command message" does not seem to 
> come from a Python module

It's an error from the smtp server.  If you telnet to your smtp server
and simply hit return, you'll get the same message.  (Mine gives
'Unrecognised command, ""', but it'll always be something similar).

> 4. Norton probably doesn't know about SMTP on any port except 
> 25, therefore is most likely sitting between smtpproxy and the server.

I really don't know anything about what Norton is doing.  I wonder if
it's actually sitting between the smtpproxy and the server, or if it's
integrated into Eudora (through the plug-in architecture).  Either way,
at least in theory ;), it shouldn't make any difference, since our
smtpproxy is (or should be) passing on the command verbatim.  If you
telnet to the smtp server (i.e. bypass Eudora), then everything should
still work - this is all the proxy does, really.

> 6. The other difference between you and I (at least as far as this is 
> concerned <wink>) is I'm using Eudora 5.1 and you're on 5.2. 
> I'm not sure what version of Python you're using. I have 2.2.3.

I have both 2.3, which I use by default, and 2.2.3; I've tried both.

> Given all the above, the actual error response is probably 
> coming from Norton, and not the SMTP server. If 1.12 doesn't fix it,
> how can I dump smtpproxy's port 25 data? I tried some prints in
> asynchat and asyncore, but I'm exactly sure which data I was looking
at.

Well, the print statements print everything that is sent to port 25 by
Eudora, and sent from the proxy to the smtp server.  I'm not sure how to
get hold of the data coming back in the other direction, or how easy it
would be, but I don't think that would necessarily tell us anything.

One other thing is maybe this is a '\r\n' or '\n' issue.  SMTP data
should be terminated with '\r\n', not just '\n' (or '\r'), and that's
what we do on sending.  Maybe Eudora is only sending '\n', though, and
that's what your smtp server expects.  This seems unlikely, though, and
I think it would cause problems earlier on than QUIT.

(I'm not sure what to do if 1.12 doesn't work...hopefully I'll come up
with something!).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 14:44:32 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 21:45:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C3EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I wonder why 1) was a loss.

I suspect it is because the comment is right, and the presence of %
escapes is a clue.

> Perhaps it should add a special 
> token when it finds any % escapes, and then replace them. 
> Care to try this as well? :-)

I'm not sure exactly what you mean.  If I have "read%20me.html", do you
mean there is a token "read", a token "me", a token "html", and a "url:
has_escape" token?

> Please send me the source code

Note that this might not be (and for 2 *is* not) the fastest/best way to
do these things.  I was just going for a quick implementation to test
the concepts.

> > 1) Replace % escapes.

I added this after line 985 of tokenizer.py.
"""
            import urllib
            piece = urllib.unquote(piece)
"""

> > 2) Find server names for ip addresses.

(Results are still coming). I added this after line 984 of tokenizer.py.
"""
            if '.' in piece:
                import socket
                try:
                    piece = socket.gethostbyaddr(piece)[0]
                except:
                    pass
"""

> > 3) Remove numbers from the end of domain names (experimental).
> >    www.buythis123.com => url:buythis

I added this after line 985 of tokenizer.py.
"""
                while chunk and chunk[-1] in '0123456789':
                    chunk = chunk[:-1]
"""

> > Or add a special token for domains ending with a number.

I added this after line 985 of tokenizer.py.
"""
                if chunk and chunk[-1] in '0123456789':
                    pushclue("url: ends_in_number")
"""

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 14:50:32 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 22:26:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Testing
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C3F6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm a new Spambayes user, and I'm evaluating it at work, and 
> POPFile at home.  I'd like to know what needs testing and I 
> might be able to find some time to help in that area.

There are two types of testing - testing that the apps actually work
(the best way to do this is simply use them and push them as hard as you
can), and testing tokenizing (etc) options.  If you want to do the
latter, then you need to setup the test structure - all the instructions
are in the 1.0a5 readme.txt, or the cvs/1.0a6 readme-devel.txt.  (Or ask
if you need help!).  It would be good to get some more results on the
experimental_ham_spam_imbalance option, for a start.  I do something
like:

timtest.py -n5 > standard.txt
[change the option]
timtest.py -n5 > changed.txt
rates.py standard.txt
rates.py changed.txt
table.py standards.txt changeds.txt
(or cmp.py standards.txt changeds.txt)

>  Then OTOH POPFile can classify into multiple buckets and I'm 
> enjoying that at home.  Any plans on adding that to Spambayes?

Well, the n-way.py script (in contrib directory in cvs or 1.0a5) does
this.  However, from what I understand, POPFile was designed to do this
right from the start, and spambayes wasn't, so I suspect POPFile will
always be the better choice if you want n-way classification.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 16:40:19 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu Aug 28 23:41:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C48E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1.12 is not up on the CVS server yet.

It can't be that far off.  I checked it in at 8:57pm NZ time yesterday,
it's now 3:39pm.

> If it can't be fixed there are two choices that come to mind,
> neither very appealing, Wrap spambayes as a Eudora plug-in ala
> Outlook (I've downloaded the documnetation and SDK)

Well, this is an appealing option in many ways.  Except for the person
that has to write the code, of course ;)

> or just look at the error as a feature - sort of 
> an aural confirmation that the message was sent <wink>

:)

=Tony Meyer

From Boyo at hotpop.com  Fri Aug 29 00:55:55 2003
From: Boyo at hotpop.com (Boyo)
Date: Thu Aug 28 23:57:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bounce SPAM
Message-ID: <001401c36de1$767d7af0$05010a0a@boyoxplt>

Hi, I recently found a program that will send a Fake Bounce e-mail to
the sender, I saw something by searching thru the site about it being a
bad idea, by causing who-ever's email they faked, and by validating to
the spammers that you had a valid e-mail, but this program I found
looked pretty convincing to me that it was a real bounced e-mail. I
thought that it would be a really good idea, to add another button to
the spambayes bar to cause the e-mail to bounce. Here is a link to the
program that I found.
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,5402,00.asp
Thanks, Ray.
From edrubins at andisplace.com  Fri Aug 29 00:35:27 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Fri Aug 29 00:35:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C3E8@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030828231559.00ad04b0@localhost>

At 01:28 PM 8/29/2003 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> >> 1. The "500 Unrecognized command message" does not seem to
> >> come from a Python module
>
> > It's an error from the smtp server.  If you telnet to your smtp server
> > and simply hit return, you'll get the same message.  (Mine gives
> > 'Unrecognised command, ""', but it'll always be something similar).

         I know - just wanted to make sure it couldn't come from a Python 
module.


> >> 4. Norton probably doesn't know about SMTP on any port except
> >> 25, therefore is most likely sitting between smtpproxy and the server.
>
> > I really don't know anything about what Norton is doing.  I wonder if
> > it's actually sitting between the smtpproxy and the server, or if it's
> > integrated into Eudora (through the plug-in architecture).

         It doesn't show up on the list of plugins.

> > One other thing is maybe this is a '\r\n' or '\n' issue.  SMTP data
> > should be terminated with '\r\n', not just '\n' (or '\r'), and that's
> > what we do on sending.  Maybe Eudora is only sending '\n', though, and
> > that's what your smtp server expects.  This seems unlikely, though, and
>I>  think it would cause problems earlier on than QUIT.

         Agreed


> > (I'm not sure what to do if 1.12 doesn't work...hopefully I'll come up
> > with something!).

         1.12 is not up on the CVS server yet. If it can't be fixed there 
are two choices that come to mind, neither very appealing, 
Wrap        spambayes as a Eudora plug-in ala Outlook (I've downloaded the 
documnetation and SDK) or just look at the error as a feature -   sort of 
an aural confirmation that the message was sent <wink>

>=Tony Meyer

Best, Ed



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri Aug 29 15:45:58 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug 29 00:46:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Request to alter the destination of the Spambayes
	logfile
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICHKDLGIGGNGFHNEIEBDCOAA.j.hamill@intpower.com>
Message-ID: <05e201c36de8$7161f030$f502a8c0@eden>

> I am using the Outlook plug-in (version 0.7),under  Windwoes 98SE.  I
> request that the default location for the SB. log file NOT be
> in the Windows
> temp directory.  Many users routinely  strip or delete this
> folder at each
> reboot to prevent it from becoming a garbage pit.

Yeah, this is exactly why I decided to use it :)

> Instead the Spambayes Log. file should be located in a
> private folder under
> \Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\.  A user-defined
> variable (in the
> .ini file) or within SB. can be used to set long-term limits
> on the size of
> this file, including overwrite/ append capability.

Except of course that if we wait until we have loaded the config file etc,
there is a whole lot that could have gone wrong that will not be in the log.
It is important the log be created at the very earliest opportunity.

> Routinely blind writing
> to the windows temp directory is just not best-practice.

Why?  It can be safely deleted, and if everything is working fine, no user
should ever need to see it.  In the ideal world, we wouldn't need *any* log
as we wouldn't have any bugs <wink>.  These files are *not* "application
data" in the sense that they need to follow the user profile etc.  I am
afraid I am unconvinced.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri Aug 29 17:50:58 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri Aug 29 00:51:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bounce SPAM
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C4E8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Hi, I recently found a program that will send a Fake Bounce 
> e-mail to the sender, I saw something by searching thru the 
> site about it being a bad idea, by causing who-ever's email 
> they faked, and by validating to the spammers that you had a 
> valid e-mail, but this program I found looked pretty 
> convincing to me that it was a real bounced e-mail.

You've said yourself why this is a bad idea, and why it won't (ever,
probably) be added to spambayes.  It's near impossible to accurately
determine who sent a message, so impossible to accurately determine who
to bounce one back to.  In the rare case that the address is accurate,
then you are definitely telling the spammer that your address is valid,
and in this case (since you want a manual operation, not an automatic
one), that the message was (at least partially) read.

The last thing we want to do is *add* to the flood of bounce messages.
Just take a look at how many got sent/received over the last week.

=Tony Meyer

From richie at entrian.com  Fri Aug 29 07:20:53 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Fri Aug 29 01:21:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bounce SPAM
In-Reply-To: <001401c36de1$767d7af0$05010a0a@boyoxplt>
References: <001401c36de1$767d7af0$05010a0a@boyoxplt>
Message-ID: <shotkv8r0kqjtn4s6ek3a6noj09ugnrj30@4ax.com>


[Boyo]
> Hi, I recently found a program that will send a Fake Bounce e-mail to
> the sender, I saw something by searching thru the site about it being a
> bad idea, by causing who-ever's email they faked [...]

A spammer is currently using my email address as him From address.  I am
receiving about 2,000 bounce messages per day at the moment.  Please don't
add to that.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From fuerte at sci.fi  Fri Aug 29 10:00:17 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Fri Aug 29 02:00:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
In-Reply-To: <E19saze-0008UD-01@mail.python.org>
References: <E19saze-0008UD-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3F4EEBF1.8000808@sci.fi>

spambayes-request@python.org wrote:

>From: "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz>
>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] URL parsing improvement ideas
>
>  
>
>>> I wonder why 1) was a loss.
>>    
>>
>
>I suspect it is because the comment is right, and the presence of %
>escapes is a clue.
>
Yeah, but the idea behind these % must be that the Bayes database does 
not have that combination in it before. If you have a 8 letter domain, 
for example, then there are a lot of combinations if you use % encoding 
for a letter or more.

>>> Perhaps it should add a special 
>>> token when it finds any % escapes, and then replace them. 
>>> Care to try this as well? 
>>    
>>
>
>I'm not sure exactly what you mean.  If I have "read%20me.html", do you
>mean there is a token "read", a token "me", a token "html", and a "url:
>has_escape" token?
>
Yes, exactly. But I originally thought only about the host name. There 
is no reason to escape the host name, only spammers do it, to confuse Bayes.

>>> Please send me the source code
>>    
>>
>
>Note that this might not be (and for 2 *is* not) the fastest/best way to
>do these things.  I was just going for a quick implementation to test
>the concepts.
>
Great, thanks a lot! :-)

>>>> > 1) Replace % escapes.
>>>      
>>>
>
>I added this after line 985 of tokenizer.py.
>"""
>            import urllib
>            piece = urllib.unquote(piece)
>"""
>
>  
>
>>>> > 2) Find server names for ip addresses.
>>>      
>>>
>
>(Results are still coming). I added this after line 984 of tokenizer.py.
>"""
>            if '.' in piece:
>                import socket
>                try:
>                    piece = socket.gethostbyaddr(piece)[0]
>                except:
>                    pass
>"""
>  
>
Do you have so many ip addresses instead of host names in urls? This 
should not take *so* long. Or are you resolving file names as well 
(readme.htm)?

>>>> > 3) Remove numbers from the end of domain names (experimental).
>>>> >    www.buythis123.com => url:buythis
>>>      
>>>
>
>I added this after line 985 of tokenizer.py.
>"""
>                while chunk and chunk[-1] in '0123456789':
>                    chunk = chunk[:-1]
>"""
>
>  
>
>>>> > Or add a special token for domains ending with a number.
>>>      
>>>
>
>I added this after line 985 of tokenizer.py.
>"""
>                if chunk and chunk[-1] in '0123456789':
>                    pushclue("url: ends_in_number")
>"""
>
>=Tony Meyer
>

From RBohn at solution-pros.com  Fri Aug 29 08:51:44 2003
From: RBohn at solution-pros.com (Russ Bohn)
Date: Fri Aug 29 08:51:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problems
Message-ID: <81C1018127803F49AB81FFBA8B95916A5635DC@sp-svr.SolutionPros.dom>

One...
I have installed version 003 of Spambayes on a Windows XP machine running Outlook 2000 in the  early July timeframe. Spambayes was doing its job great until this week when it just "froze".

It stopped filtering and one cannot access either the "delete as spam" toolbar button, nor the "Spambayes" toolbar button.

I don't know whether to install the latest 007 release over the top of the existing program or uninstall and install from scratch the latest Outlook Add-in release.

What is the proper uninstall procedure?

Two...
Another user, Windows 2000 Pro and Outlook 2000, they "lost" their "Spam" folder. The system was working fine for about two weeks (again 003 release).  When one recreates the Spam folder, Spambayes not not recognize the folder, (when you tell Spambayes, where it is to "move" Spam).

Out of about 10+ workstation installations, these are the only two problems which stump me.

Great workstation product!!!    Any news on an Exchange Server version of the product where a good portion of the Spam could be intercepted before it got to the workstations?

Thank you for your time, 
Russ Bohn 
SolutionPros 
816-480-3807  voice 
816-480-3883  fax 
mailto:rbohn@solution-pros.com  
http://www.solution-pros.com




From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Fri Aug 29 10:45:03 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Fri Aug 29 09:45:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes Problems
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB119@SPIKE.city>

> From: Russ Bohn [mailto:RBohn@solution-pros.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:52 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problems
> 
> 
> One...
> 
> Two...
> Another user, Windows 2000 Pro and Outlook 2000, they "lost" 
> their "Spam" folder. The system was working fine for about 
> two weeks (again 003 release).  When one recreates the Spam 
> folder, Spambayes not not recognize the folder, (when you 
> tell Spambayes, where it is to "move" Spam).

This sounds like what happened to one of my users. It turned out that she had inadvertently dragged her spam folder into another folder in the tree (something that's far too easy to do in Outlook). But moving the folder didn't confuse Spambayes, which went ahead and continued to use it in its new location. When the user created a new folder of the same name, Spambayes ignored it, because it hadn't lost track of the original one. When I deleted the new folder and moved the old folder back where it belonged (which also didn't confuse Spambayes), things were back to normal.

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165

From andysb at lizaard.com  Fri Aug 29 10:47:44 2003
From: andysb at lizaard.com (Andy)
Date: Fri Aug 29 09:48:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes new user - strange error
Message-ID: <000201c36e34$203a43f0$ce07a8c0@lab.viget.com>

I've been using SpamBayes with Outlook 2002 SP2 on Win2k SP3 for a couple of
months and it has been working fine.  Just yesterday it stopped filtering
and if I try to run the filter manually I get the message "Found 0 spam 0
unsure and 0 good messages (67 errors)".

Before I run the filter manually the log has this in it:

==============
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\arankin\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\arankin\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 4382 spam and 4163 good messages
*** - message database has 9222 messages - bayes has 8545 - something is
screwey
Loaded databases in 77.7437ms
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder 1 - Viget
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder 2 - Lizaard
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder 3 - PU
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder 5. - Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder '1 - Viget' took 0.535822ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder '2 - Lizaard' took 73.6063ms
Error processing missed messages!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 671, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 945, in
ProcessMissedMessages
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 217, in
chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 319, in probability
AssertionError
==============

After I run it I get a block like this for each message it tried to check:

==============
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 217, in
chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 319, in probability
exceptions.AssertionError: 
Error filtering message '<MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Refill your medication online!'
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200006D737073742E646C6C00000000004
E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E6420536574746
96E67735C6172616E6B696E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C69636174696F6
E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B2E70737400/00
000000EB341A077227D411974600E0980A28DC24DB6A00>'
==============


I'm not all that technical and I snooped around some looking for the
solution but I couldn't find anything.  I suppose I could try reinstalling
SpamBayes but I'd rather not lose all the training data.

Thanks,
Andy


From edrubins at andisplace.com  Fri Aug 29 10:49:56 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Fri Aug 29 09:50:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C48E@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829093739.00b26d80@localhost>

At 03:40 PM 8/29/2003 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> >> If it can't be fixed there are two choices that come to mind,
> >> neither very appealing, Wrap spambayes as a Eudora plug-in ala
> >> Outlook (I've downloaded the documnetation and SDK)
>
> > Well, this is an appealing option in many ways.  Except for the person
> > that has to write the code, of course ;)

         Except that Eudora is remured to have a bayesian filter in 6.x. 
Then again, it might be an interesting exercise.


Best, Ed



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug 30 01:20:09 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug 29 10:20:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes new user - strange error
In-Reply-To: <000201c36e34$203a43f0$ce07a8c0@lab.viget.com>
Message-ID: <04fd01c36e38$a7c75bb0$f502a8c0@eden>

> I've been using SpamBayes with Outlook 2002 SP2 on Win2k SP3
> for a couple of
> months and it has been working fine.  Just yesterday it
> stopped filtering
> and if I try to run the filter manually I get the message
> "Found 0 spam 0
> unsure and 0 good messages (67 errors)".
>
> Before I run the filter manually the log has this in it:
>
> ==============
> SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
> Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\arankin\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\arankin\Application
> Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 4382 spam and 4163 good messages
> *** - message database has 9222 messages - bayes has 8545 -
> something is
> screwey
> Loaded databases in 77.7437ms
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder 1 - Viget

You are using quite an old version - please upgrade to the latest.  It does
look like you will need to re-train SpamBayes from scratch before it works
again, but the good news is that while this error was common in early
versions, but has yet to be reported in the new ones.

MArk.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sat Aug 30 01:24:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri Aug 29 10:25:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problems
In-Reply-To: <81C1018127803F49AB81FFBA8B95916A5635DC@sp-svr.SolutionPros.dom>
Message-ID: <053801c36e39$4f6ab3d0$f502a8c0@eden>

> I don't know whether to install the latest 007 release over 
> the top of the existing program or uninstall and install from 
> scratch the latest Outlook Add-in release.

Either way is fine, but see the "troubleshooting guide" (online at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html), and see how to reset the toolbars.

> What is the proper uninstall procedure?

The general answer to your question is that it doesn't matter if you
uninstall an old version or not.  Ununstalling does not remove your
configuration and training data, and the setup program is smart enough to
know a previous version is installed and not list it twice.

Mark.
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From itam627 at stanford.edu  Fri Aug 29 08:40:03 2003
From: itam627 at stanford.edu (Itamar Rosenn)
Date: Fri Aug 29 10:40:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering problem
Message-ID: <1062168003.3f4f65c335b59@webmail.stanford.edu>

Hello,

I've instantiated some rules on my Outlook Client (to send the dozens of 
sobig virus messages that my antivirus flags as well as the many other 
emails it sends me for notification) to a "virusbox" so i don't have to 
deal with them.

However, this seems to have made spambayes unable to filter automatically 
when I start my Outlook client; i have to filter manually. Has this 
occurred to anyone else? any tips on what might be going on? at the very 
least, perhaps its a flaw in the code that could be fixed...

Itamar Rosenn



From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Fri Aug 29 11:41:20 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Fri Aug 29 10:43:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problems
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357BB11B@SPIKE.city>

My experience has been that if the current version is around 003 or earlier, you'll lose your training and configuration data, no matter how you install the new version. But I've had no problem installing 007 over 005 or 006.

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Hammond
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:25 AM
> To: 'Russ Bohn'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Problems
> 
> 
> > I don't know whether to install the latest 007 release over 
> > the top of the existing program or uninstall and install from 
> > scratch the latest Outlook Add-in release.
> 
> Either way is fine, but see the "troubleshooting guide" 
> (online at 
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spam
bayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html), and see how to reset the toolbars.

> What is the proper uninstall procedure?

The general answer to your question is that it doesn't matter if you uninstall an old version or not.  Ununstalling does not remove your configuration and training data, and the setup program is smart enough to know a previous version is installed and not list it twice.

Mark.

From arharriger at tech.purdue.edu  Fri Aug 29 11:54:55 2003
From: arharriger at tech.purdue.edu (Harriger, Alka R.)
Date: Fri Aug 29 11:55:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] General configuration to change location of database
Message-ID: <843ADAD78A65D411BB5C00D0B71DEA411A0EAB40@sotcomm.tech.purdue.edu>

I am extremely pleased with the savings in productivity that SpamBayes has
given me in just two weeks! I found out from a colleague who was extremely
happy. I, too, forwarded the info to other friends. 

I am writing due to a problem using SpamBauyes in my work environment where
other people maintain my pc and require the use of roaming profiles which
restricts the amount of storage on my hard drive. I've tried changing the
location of the SpamBayes database (curently over 5MB) in a new files called
Bayescustomize.ini (as well as default_configuration.ini) in the folder with
the application. Regardless of what I place in the file or where I install
SpamBayes, it keeps going to C:\Documents and
Settings\myusername\Application Data\SpamBayes folder to maintain ini and db
files. If I want it to use the best-trained db, I have to copy it there,
which causes serious space problems on my roaming profile. (I can't shutdown
my pc)

I used the information I found in the SpamBayes documentation
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/Outlook2000/docs/configuration.html to create an entry for the location of
the db file I wanted it to use ([General]	data_directory: FilePath)

Other info about my system is:

OS: Windows 2000
Email: Outlook 2000
SpamBayes: Outlook Addin version 0.7

Any assistance you can provide about how to define the location of the db to
SpamBayes would be appreciated. It would be nice to add this as a feature to
the next version of SpamBayes (browsing to identify the location of where
the db file should be placed).

Thank you for sharing such a wonderful product with the user community :-)

Alka Harriger, Professor
Department of Computer Technology
Purdue University
Knoy Hall of Technology, Room 243
401 N. Grant Street
West Lafayette, IN 47907-2021
Ph: (765) 494-2565
Fax: (765) 496-1212
Email: arharriger@tech.purdue.edu
URL: http://www.tech.purdue.edu/cpt/facstaff/arharriger 


From bezu at rcn.com  Fri Aug 29 13:07:32 2003
From: bezu at rcn.com (Beth Zucker)
Date: Fri Aug 29 12:14:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Won't filter
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAV0QLfGG7JU+e69JQ1c6tS8KAAAAQAAAADHvhdzPoD0WWv+SUJux0zgEAAAAA@rcn.com>

No matter what I do my spam mail does not get moved to the Spam folder. The
spam score is correct in most cases but the spam remains in my inbox.  

 

I have filtering enabled.

I have rules set up to move 90% to spam folder and 15% to 90% to Spam Review
folder.

I have Spambayes "watching my 3 inboxes and all of them retain the over 15%
scored messages .

 

What do I do?

 

 

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From edrubins at andisplace.com  Fri Aug 29 15:07:20 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Fri Aug 29 14:07:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C48E@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829135741.00ac1f18@localhost>



I put together a small test program using the email and smtplib modules and 
used it to send the same short email to the same smtp server twice - once 
directly and once through smtpproxy. The 500 error is only returned when 
going through smtpproxy. Norton scans the message in both cases. This would 
seem to eliminate Eudora and Norton as the culprit. This was done with 
1.11. As soon as I can get 1.12 from CVS I'll rerun the test. Code below. 
Output attached.

import email, smtplib

payload = "Testing SMTP."
me = "someone@somewhere.com"
he = "someone@somewhere.com"

server = "mail.mindspring.com"
port = "25"
# or
# server = "localhost"
#port = 1135

my_mail = email.message_from_string(payload)
my_mail["From"] = me
my_mail["To"] = he
print my_mail.as_string()  # get a warm and fuzzy

my_smtp = smtplib.SMTP(server, port)
my_smtp.set_debuglevel(1)
my_smtp.sendmail(me, he, my_mail.as_string())
my_smtp.quit()



Best, Ed
-------------- next part --------------
From: someone@somewhere.com
To: someone@somewhere.com

Testing SMTP.

send: 'ehlo ed.Cornell-Mayo.com\r\n'
reply: '250-hall.mail.mindspring.net Hello h-67-100-47-4.phlapafg.covad.net [67.100.47.4]\r\n'
reply: '250-SIZE 10485760\r\n'
reply: '250-PIPELINING\r\n'
reply: '250 HELP\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: hall.mail.mindspring.net Hello h-67-100-47-4.phlapafg.covad.net [67.100.47.4]
SIZE 10485760
PIPELINING
HELP
send: 'mail FROM:<someone@somewhere.com> size=73\r\n'
reply: '250 <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct
send: 'rcpt TO:<someone@somewhere.com>\r\n'
reply: '250 <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct
send: 'data\r\n'
reply: '354 Please start mail input.\r\n'
reply: retcode (354); Msg: Please start mail input.
data: (354, 'Please start mail input.')
send: 'From: someone@somewhere.com\r\n\r\nTesting SMTP.\r\n.\r\n'
reply: '250 Mail queued for delivery.\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: Mail queued for delivery.
data: (250, 'Mail queued for delivery.')
send: 'quit\r\n'
reply: '221 Closing connection. Good bye.\r\n'
reply: retcode (221); Msg: Closing connection. Good bye.
-------------- next part --------------
From: someone@somewhere.com
To: someone@somewhere.com

Testing SMTP.

send: 'ehlo ed.Cornell-Mayo.com\r\n'
reply: '250-barry.mail.mindspring.net Hello h-67-100-47-4.phlapafg.covad.net [67.100.47.4]\r\n'
reply: '250-SIZE 10485760\r\n'
reply: '250-PIPELINING\r\n'
reply: '250 HELP\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: barry.mail.mindspring.net Hello h-67-100-47-4.phlapafg.covad.net [67.100.47.4]
SIZE 10485760
PIPELINING
HELP
send: 'mail FROM:<someone@somewhere.com> size=73\r\n'
reply: '250 <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct
send: 'rcpt TO:<someone@somewhere.com>\r\n'
reply: '250 <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: <someone@somewhere.com> is syntactically correct
send: 'data\r\n'
reply: '354 Please start mail input.\r\n'
reply: retcode (354); Msg: Please start mail input.
data: (354, 'Please start mail input.')
send: 'From: someone@somewhere.com\r\n\r\nTesting SMTP.\r\n.\r\n'
reply: '250 Mail queued for delivery.\r\n'
reply: retcode (250); Msg: Mail queued for delivery.
data: (250, 'Mail queued for delivery.')
send: 'quit\r\n'
reply: '500 Unrecognized command\r\n'
reply: retcode (500); Msg: Unrecognized command
From bezu at rcn.com  Fri Aug 29 16:26:50 2003
From: bezu at rcn.com (Beth Zucker)
Date: Fri Aug 29 15:27:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] More filtering problems
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAV0QLfGG7JU+e69JQ1c6tS8KAAAAQAAAArRluma6Tek6RkUoWK41KcAEAAAAA@rcn.com>

I finally got spambayes to move messages from my inbox , however I have 2
other inboxes that it scores but won't filter. I have the filters set up to
watch and filter these 2 other folders but apparently the outlook rule to
move messages as they arrive to these folders is overruling the spambayes
filter.

 

When I tried Inboxer this was not an issue.it easily moved messages from all
3 sources. Is it possible to do this with spambayes?

 

Thanks for any help,

 

Beth

 

 

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From Kristina_Saar at pcworld.com  Fri Aug 29 13:19:48 2003
From: Kristina_Saar at pcworld.com (Kristina Saar)
Date: Fri Aug 29 15:31:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fact Check for PC World [11hsbs SpamBayes]
Message-ID: <OF9D1BEAAA.89022492-ON88256D91.006A2EF2@pcworld.com>





Hello Gary,

Could one of you please verify these facts below ASAP?  Thanks! :)

Kristina

Please verify the following for publication in PC World, November issue.
The text is a paraphrase of that which will be printed. Please make any
changes in ALL CAPS (not in color or bold).

IMPORTANT: Please only notify us of changes that are strictly necessary for
the factual accuracy, spelling or punctuation of the material. Please do
not add text, only verify what is there.

I would be very grateful to receive your response as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Kristina Saar
Research Editor, PC World
phone: 415.974.7375
kristina_saar@pcworld.com

Product Information and/or excerpts from article or list text:

-- The free, open-source SpamBayes plug-in for Outlook 2000 and 2002 is a
2.8MB download.
-- Other antispam techniques rely on centralized databases of known spam
messages, or static rules that scan messages for words or attributes often
found in spam. Bayesian filtering differs by scanning the message's
content, then computing the probability that it is spam compared to other
messages already identified as spam or non-spam. Messages with a spam
probability of 90 or higher on a scale of 100 are moved to the Spam folder.
Messages that score 15 or lower stay in the inbox. Messages that fall in
between go to an Unsure Spam folder where you must determine their fate
manually. (You must first create these folders in Outlook, then configure
SpamBayes to use them.)
-- SpamBayes has a database
-- has an Unsure Spam folder
-- The SpamBayes plug-in adds buttons to Outlook's toolbar for jobs such as
a way to identify which spam messages it missed and the good messages it
wrongly identified as spam.

END


From RBohn at solution-pros.com  Fri Aug 29 17:15:43 2003
From: RBohn at solution-pros.com (Russ Bohn)
Date: Fri Aug 29 17:16:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Stopped Working on XP Pro Workstation
Message-ID: <81C1018127803F49AB81FFBA8B95916A5C3A80@sp-svr.SolutionPros.dom>


Problem...
I have installed version 003 of Spambayes on a Windows XP machine running Outlook 2000 in the  early July timeframe. Spambayes was doing its job great until this week when it just "froze".

It stopped filtering and one cannot access either the "delete as spam" toolbar button, nor the "Spambayes" toolbar button.

First Resolution to the problem...
I installed version 007 of the Outlook Add-in over the top of Spambayes since I was told from emails I received from the Spambayes email group, it did not make any difference whether one uninstalled or installed over the top of Spambayes to "fix" the problem.

Installing 007 did not work. Neither toolbar will do anything, i.e, delete a message as Spam, and  it will not allow you to go into the Spambayes "function" button. It is not filtering Spam.

Attached is the log file of the last day Spambayes worked on this computer, which was 8/26.
The log for today (Spambayes1.log) just showed that "Spambayes was registered", I assume this was from the 007 install over the top of the existing 003 program.


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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 30 18:09:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 30 01:10:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C519@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Except that Eudora is remured to have a bayesian 
> filter in 6.x. 

This is more than rumour I believe.  Then again, though, I've heard
rumoured that it's not that great.  I wouldn't know, though, not having
used it.

> Then again, it might be an interesting exercise.

Not one I have time for, unfortunately ;)

=Tony Meyer

From schung222 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 29 23:10:05 2003
From: schung222 at comcast.net (Shane Chung)
Date: Sat Aug 30 01:10:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] can't addin, can't enable spam
Message-ID: <002201c36eb4$fa940880$677ba8c0@shane>

Hi,

 

Please help me enabling spambayes manager. The spambayes icons were on
toolbar

But it was not in Add-In manager, not even a check box. I also went to about
outlook to see if it is

disabled but the add-in wasn't there at all.

 

Checking the Spam manager,I can't enable it. I followed the documentation to
train the database but it still wouldn't work.

I re-stalled the installer.exe but still the same. Attached are the log
screens and log file.

Hope you can help me to resolve the problem.

 

OS: Window XP

Outlook: 2002

Version of SpamBayes: 007

Log files as attached.

 

Thank you.

 

Shane

 

 

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From steveng at pop.jaring.my  Sat Aug 30 15:19:45 2003
From: steveng at pop.jaring.my (Stephen Ng)
Date: Sat Aug 30 02:20:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error
Message-ID: <3F504201.4000500@pop.jaring.my>

Hi!

I received the following error again on pop3proxy -

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x8596eb4> (socket.error:(110, 
'Connection timed out') [/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|82] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|recv|362])

After this error, mozilla mail or pop3proxy does not recover and it 
remains in the state waiting for a response from the mail server. Only 
way to recover seems to be to terminate pop3proxy and restart.

Regards,

Stephen Ng


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 03:36:54 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Aug 30 02:40:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fact Check for PC World [11hsbs SpamBayes]
In-Reply-To: <OF9D1BEAAA.89022492-ON88256D91.006A2EF2@pcworld.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEMEFIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Kristina Saar]
> Hello Gary,
>
> Could one of you please verify these facts below ASAP?  Thanks! :)
>
> Kristina
>
> Please verify the following for publication in PC World, November
> issue. The text is a paraphrase of that which will be printed. Please
> make any changes in ALL CAPS (not in color or bold).
>
> IMPORTANT: Please only notify us of changes that are strictly
> necessary for the factual accuracy, spelling or punctuation of the
> material. Please do not add text, only verify what is there.

Some of your info is out of date; see below.


> I would be very grateful to receive your response as soon as possible.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kristina Saar
> Research Editor, PC World
> phone: 415.974.7375
> kristina_saar@pcworld.com
>
> Product Information and/or excerpts from article or list text:
>
> -- The free, open-source SpamBayes plug-in for Outlook 2000 and 2002
> is a 2.8MB download.

SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe IS A 3.2MB DOWNLOAD.

> -- Other antispam techniques rely on centralized databases of known
> spam messages, or static rules that scan messages for words or
> attributes often found in spam. Bayesian filtering differs by
> scanning the message's content, then computing the probability that
> it is spam compared to other messages already identified as spam or
> non-spam.

WHILE CLASSICAL BAYESIAN CLASSIFIERS CLAIM TO COMPUTE A SPAM PROBABILITY,
THEY DON'T COMPUTE A PROBABILITY IN ANY REALISTIC SENSE.  SPAMBAYES DOES NOT
COMPUTE SPAM PROBABILITIES (AND ISN'T A CLASSICAL BAYESIAN CLASSIFIER).
SPAMBAYES DOES COMPUTE A SPAM "SCORE".

> Mssages with a spam probability of 90 or higher on a scale

CHANGE 'PROBABILITY' TO 'SCORE'.

> of 100 are moved to the Spam folder. Messages that score 15 or lower
> stay in the inbox.

90 AND 15 AREN'T HARDWIRED -- THE USER CAN SET THEM TO ANYTHING.

> Messages that fall in between go to an Unsure Spam
> folder where you must determine their fate manually. (You must first
> create these folders in Outlook, then configure SpamBayes to use
> them.)
> -- SpamBayes has a database
> -- has an Unsure Spam folder
> -- The SpamBayes plug-in adds buttons to Outlook's toolbar

THE SPAMBAYES PLUG-IN ADDS A NEW TOOLBAR (IT DOES NOT ADD BUTTONS TO
OUTLOOK'S TOOLBAR).

> for jobs such as a way to identify which spam messages it missed and
> the good messages it wrongly identified as spam.
>
> END


From camerons at cse.unsw.edu.au  Sat Aug 30 18:09:55 2003
From: camerons at cse.unsw.edu.au (Cameron Stone)
Date: Sat Aug 30 03:10:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] smtpproxy 500 error at end of smtp conversation
Message-ID: <20030830170955.1252047e.camerons@cse.unsw.edu.au>

I've installed spambayes-1.0a4 and I'm liking it a lot.

However, in using the smtp proxy, I'm getting a 500 Unrecognized command error
coming just after the data is finished sending. I'm pretty sure it's being
generated by the my smtp server, and the proxy is just echoing it through.
However, it must be a response to something strange the proxy is sending at the
end of the data, but my knowledge of python and the Dibbler library is not good
enough to find the error myself.

I've tested this using telnet, and the same smtp conversation works directly,
but gets the error when sent to the proxy. The mail gets sent correctly both
times, but my mail reader doesn't close the compose window on sending because of
the error. I like using the smtp proxy to train the filter, so I'd rather not
get rid of it. Any ideas?

Here's the direct connection:
$ telnet smtp 25
220 smtp smtp ready
HELO phaedrus.cse.unsw.edu.au
250 smtp
MAIL FROM:<camerons@cse.unsw.edu.au>
250 OK
RCPT TO:<camerons@cse.unsw.edu.au>
250 OK
DATA
354 Start mail input
Subject: Testing smtp proxy using telnet
This is the data
.
250 Mail spooled locally
QUIT
221 smtp SMTP service closing

And the proxy connection:
$ telnet localhost 12345
220 smtp smtp ready
HELO phaedrus.cse.unsw.edu.au
250 smtp
MAIL FROM:<camerons@cse.unsw.edu.au>
250 OK
RCPT TO:<camerons@cse.unsw.edu.au>
250 OK
DATA
354 Start mail input
Subject: Testing smtp proxy using telnet
This is the data
.
250 Mail spooled locally
500 unrecognised command
QUIT
221 smtp SMTP service closing


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 30 20:16:51 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 30 03:17:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] smtpproxy 500 error at end of smtp conversation
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C51A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> However, in using the smtp proxy, I'm getting a 500 
> Unrecognized command error coming just after the data is 
> finished sending.

Thanks for this.  We've just finished (or are about to) fixing this bug.
We're also about to put out a new release (within the next 24 hours,
probably), so you should find this fixed in 1.0a5 and be able to get
hold of it shortly.

(If you haven't already, you might be interested in subscribing to the
announce list, which will tell you when a new version is released:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes-announce )

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 30 21:27:39 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 30 04:28:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C51B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> As soon as I can get 1.12 from CVS I'll rerun the test. 

That would be great.

Note that this issue is now being tracked (someone else reported it)
here:
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=797316&gro
up_id=61702>

I really want to try and get this fixed today (so it makes it into
1.0a5, otherwise it probably won't), so I'm going to play around with it
some more now.  (If you don't get this until later, that's ok - at the
least it should make it into 1.0a6, which is scheduled for 04/09/03).

The person that submitted the bug says that removing the '\r\n' that is
added to "cooked" (right above where I got you to add the debugging
statements) works for him.  If I do this, though, the proxy doesn't
proxy anything - it hangs on the first command.  This is what I would
expect, too, because the RFC says that each command must be terminated
with CRLF (else how would it know it was done?).  Would you be able to
try that fix and let me know if it works for you?

If it does, then your SMTP server (and the other people that have
reported this) is really bizarre!  The cooked data can't already have
the '\r\n' on it, because then it would have been printed in the
debugging statements.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat Aug 30 21:33:05 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat Aug 30 04:34:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Fact Check for PC World [11hsbs SpamBayes]
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C51C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

SOME OF THIS INFORMATION WILL BE INCORRECT WITH THE RELEASE OF THE NEXT
VERSION OF THE OUTLOOK PLUG-IN, WHICH IS DUE VERY SOON (I WOULD EXPECT
BEFORE THIS GOES TO PRINT).  USE THIS IF YOU WISH.

> -- The free, open-source SpamBayes plug-in for Outlook 2000 
> and 2002 is a 2.8MB download.

THE LATEST VERSION (007) IS 3.8MB, BUT 008 WILL PROBABLY BE SIMILAR TO
THIS.

> (You 
> must first create these folders in Outlook, then configure 
> SpamBayes to use them.)

VERSION 008 OF THE PLUG-IN WILL CREATE THESE FOLDERS FOR YOU DURING
SETUP.

=Tony Meyer

From fuerte at sci.fi  Sun Aug 31 01:27:34 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Sat Aug 30 17:27:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy: find message by id, show clues, error
In-Reply-To: <E19t896-0000cL-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E19t896-0000cL-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3F5116C6.50704@sci.fi>


      500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "D:\SRC\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 398, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "D:\SRC\spambayes-1.0a4\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 425, in onShowclues
    message = state.unknownCorpus.get(key).getSubstance()

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getSubstance'


From rogerb at netspeed.com.au  Sun Aug 31 13:14:52 2003
From: rogerb at netspeed.com.au (Roger Booth)
Date: Sat Aug 30 22:16:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing pop3proxy
Message-ID: <000801c36f65$aa5a98f0$2eab21cb@rogerboo>

I have downloaded and extracted spambayes-1.0a4 and the latest version of Python.

When I run "pop3proxy.py - b" from the directory the files are in the compiler says it can't find the file "pop3proxy.py" which is there.

I can get the file to compile by opening it with python but the web interface doesn't open.

When I open the web interface manually and click the "Configuration Link" there browser can't find any such page.

I have consulted the documentation about configuring with "bayescustomize.ini" but I'm not clear what to do.

I'm wondering if it is worth continuing?

RB
From jason.ahrens at rogers.com  Sun Aug 31 12:29:39 2003
From: jason.ahrens at rogers.com (jason.ahrens@rogers.com)
Date: Sun Aug 31 11:30:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install error with SpamBayes
Message-ID: <20030831152939.NNVP367241.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost>

Hello.

I am new to SpamBayes, and trying to install it. As the subject suggests, I am having problems. I have been unable to find any reference to similar problems in the archives or through net searches, so I'm asking for help.

My platform is Linux 2.4.20 with Python 2.3.

I've downloaded spambayes (1.0a4, as well as the CVS on two different days) and every time I get the same problem during the setup.py install phase. Below is a snippet of what seems to be the relevant portion. In essence, Python tells me that hammie.py has a syntax error...

running install_lib
copying build/lib/spambayes/message.py -> /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayescopying build/lib/spambayes/Options.py -> /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayescopying build/lib/spambayes/Dibbler.py -> /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayescopying build/lib/spambayes/resources/ui_html.py -> /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/resources
copying build/lib/spambayes/UserInterface.py -> /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayesbyte-compiling /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Options.py to Options.pycbyte-compiling /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py to Dibbler.pycbyte-compiling /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py to hammie.pyc  File "/opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 260
    if __name__ == "__main__":
     ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
byte-compiling /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/resources/ui_html.py to ui_html.pycbyte-compiling /opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py to UserInterface.pycrunning install_scripts

If anyone can offer any assistance on what may be wrong, it will be much appreciated. I am interested in running spampays using procmail. Any additional information required/requested will be provided in a timely fashion..

Thanks!

Jason

1


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 31 18:16:09 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Aug 31 12:16:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install error with SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <20030831152939.NNVP367241.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost>
References: <20030831152939.NNVP367241.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost>
Message-ID: <qi74lv4bpm4991lufjhr5l7bml4l6ceccd@4ax.com>

Hi Jason,

> Python tells me that hammie.py has a syntax error

This was fixed in CVS on Tuesday 26 Aug - line 257 of Hammie.py is missing
a trailing close-parenthesis:

>   return Hammie(storage.open_storage((filename, mode), useDB))
                                                              ^^^

You could update from CVS, or fix your local copy of 1.0a4.  Soon you'll
be able to download 1.0a5, which is due out any day now.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From jason.ahrens at rogers.com  Sun Aug 31 13:58:00 2003
From: jason.ahrens at rogers.com (Jason Ahrens)
Date: Sun Aug 31 12:58:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Initialization error (Was: Re: Install error with
	SpamBayes)
In-Reply-To: <qi74lv4bpm4991lufjhr5l7bml4l6ceccd@4ax.com>
References: <20030831152939.NNVP367241.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost>
	<qi74lv4bpm4991lufjhr5l7bml4l6ceccd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0308311229270.25650@cougar.canadianwilds.org>

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Richie Hindle wrote:

> You could update from CVS, or fix your local copy of 1.0a4.  Soon you'll
> be able to download 1.0a5, which is due out any day now.

Thanks. My last CVS attempt was downloaded this morning at ~10am EST. The
error still existed then, at least from the CVS I got from SourceForge.

I have manually made the indicated modification to the CVS I got today,
and the byte-compile now completes successfully. Thanks for the help on
that.

Now, I'm going through the instructions on procmail filtering. The first
step is to create the database by running "hammiefilter.py -n"

Doing so however, produces the following error:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/python-2.3/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/opt/python-2.3/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 174, in main
    h.newdb()
  File "/opt/python-2.3/bin/hammiefilter.py", line 113, in newdb
    h = hammie.open(self.dbname, self.usedb, 'n')
  File "/opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py",
line 257, in open
    return Hammie(storage.open_storage((filename, mode), useDB))
  File "/opt/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py",
line 606, in open_storage
    if data_source_name.find('::') != -1:
AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'find'

This is now with SpamBayes CVS from 10am 2003-08-31, with the modification
suggested in the previous message.

Jason
(And as I write this, yet another SPAM drops into my inbox :P)

--
Other variants of Unix, including DEC Unix and some versions of Linux, have
migrated from 32-bit time representations to 64-bit. This allows future time
to be expressed up to about the year 292271023045, which is well after the sun
has exploded, consumed the earth, and removed all traces of MS-DOS.

From richie at entrian.com  Sun Aug 31 23:13:49 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Aug 31 17:13:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Initialization error (Was: Re: Install error with
	SpamBayes)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0308311229270.25650@cougar.canadianwilds.org>
References: <20030831152939.NNVP367241.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost>
	<qi74lv4bpm4991lufjhr5l7bml4l6ceccd@4ax.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0308311229270.25650@cougar.canadianwilds.org>
Message-ID: <thj4lv85tf1k05n2blg2bsjqbot2bdmh98@4ax.com>


[Jason]
> My last CVS attempt was downloaded this morning at ~10am EST. The
> error still existed then, at least from the CVS I got from SourceForge.

SourceForge's anonymous CVS must be lagging even further behind than
usual... glad you've successfully patched your sources.

> "hammiefilter.py -n"
> [...]
> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'find'

Nuts.  OK, I've just fixed that in CVS - see


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes-checkins/2003-August/001930.html

for the patch.

> (And as I write this, yet another SPAM drops into my inbox :P)

We'll soon put an end to that!  8-)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From edrubins at andisplace.com  Sun Aug 31 19:59:10 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Ed Rubinsky)
Date: Sun Aug 31 18:59:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SMTP Errors using Eudora
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130308C51B@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030831185210.00a89448@localhost>

At 08:27 PM 8/30/2003 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> >> As soon as I can get 1.12 from CVS I'll rerun the test.
>
> > That would be great.
>
> > Note that this issue is now being tracked (someone else reported it)
> > here:
> > <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=797316&gro
>up_id=61702>

Finally got 1.12 - same result (500 error from server.)

> > The person that submitted the bug says that removing the '\r\n' that is
> > added to "cooked" (right above where I got you to add the debugging
> > statements) works for him.  If I do this, though, the proxy doesn't
> > proxy anything - it hangs on the first command.  This is what I would
> > expect, too, because the RFC says that each command must be terminated
> > with CRLF (else how would it know it was done?).  Would you be able to
> > try that fix and let me know if it works for you?

         I get the same (expected) results - smtpproxy hangs on the EHLO 
cammand.

I feel pretty strongly that the 500 response is coming from Norton. I see 
the response before Norton pops up with the scanning email window. I can't 
believe they would forward the email to the server before it's scanned, and 
it makes sense that they wouldn't start scanning a single email until the 
QUIT command was processed. I'm going to try digging into asynchat/asyncore 
and try a find a place to dump the port 25 traffic.

Best, Ed



From gtriay at telus.net  Sun Aug 31 19:57:00 2003
From: gtriay at telus.net (George Triay)
Date: Sun Aug 31 21:57:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error while installing SpamBayes
Message-ID: <OFEDLFDFIMNGIDNANIHKIEOJCCAA.gtriay@telus.net>

Hi there, I don't see this error on any FAQ or in the list of bugs.
I've tried to install the software( SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-007.exe)
downloaded 3 times,
and every time during the installation process, I get an error message that
says:

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C/: Programs/SpamBayes Outlook addin/spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000

Click to retry again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or abort.

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Retying does not work, and I will not try the "ignore" until I know what is
going on.

My computer details are:

AMDK 1700XP
1GB RAM
80GB Hard Drive
running Windows XP Pro
and Microsoft Outlook SP-3


thanks, have a great day.

George Triay
Vancouver, Canada
www.triay-design.com