[spambayes-bugs] [ spambayes-Bugs-802543 ] Outlook Plug-in does not
filter mail moved by rules from inb
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Bugs item #802543, was opened at 2003-09-09 03:23
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Category: Outlook
Group: Outlook 001-007
Status: Pending
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: bill cann (newsguy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook Plug-in does not filter mail moved by rules from inb
Initial Comment:
Outlook 10 is configured to move email from inbox to
other folders based on email address of incoming mail.
Spambayes outlook plug-in filters the mail that remains
in inbox appropriately, but doesn't filter the mail that the
rules move. (either in the inbox prior to the move, or in
the destination folder after the move). All folders
inbox, and destination folders are specified for filtering.
When rules to move mail are disabled, (leaving all mail in
inbox), All mail is filtered appropriately.
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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2004-11-03 15:09
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I believe that this is most likely a dupe:
[ 824900 ] Spambayes incorrectly trains mail as good
<https://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=824900&group_id=61702&atid=498103>
Based on the comments below.
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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2004-11-03 14:58
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Is anyone still experiencing this problem with 1.0?
If they are, please reset the status of this item to "open",
and go through Kenny's most recent questions - particularly,
is Background Filtering definitely on and what are the timer
values?
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Comment By: Slappy (rural_cdn)
Date: 2004-02-10 06:25
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I'd like to add, I had this same problem.
I have 3 folders in my inbox, each folder representing a pop
account. When I selected inbox in the background filtering,
along with 'include subfolders' it would never work. I tried also
selecting each folder individually within the inbox also, no go.
They only way I could get filtering to work was to _not_
select the inbox, _but_ select each folder within. Voila, it
works. I've also _not_ selected include subfolders.
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Comment By: Kenny Pitt (kpitt)
Date: 2003-12-19 07:00
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Looks like SpamBayes is moving a message to your Spam
folder and then the Outlook rules are moving it back out
again. See the section of your log quoted below.
SpamBayes detects when a message is moved out of the
spam folder back to a filtered folder and takes that as an
indication that the message was misclassified, so it trains it
as a good message. This is the line that has "Training on
message '...' - trained as good". The "Moving and spam
training message..." line after it then indicates where you
clicked Delete as Spam on the message.
For some reason, SpamBayes is getting to the message first
even with background filtering on. What are your background
filtering delay values set to? How many different e-mail
accounts do you retreive from? Are any of them accessed
over dial-up or other slow links?
"""
Message 'Re: My instant access jgazv ivaz' had a Spam
classification of 'Yes'
Training on message 'Re: My instant access jgazv ivaz' -
trained as good
Moving and spam training message 'Re: My instant access
jgazv ivaz' - Training on message 'Re: My instant access
jgazv ivaz' - trained as spam
"""
Is there any chance that your background filtering is not
actually enabled? The log line "Processing 0 missed spam in
folder 'Inbox' took 169.808ms" should instead say "Processing
missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer" if background
filtering is enabled.
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Comment By: Simon Keen (simonkeen)
Date: 2003-12-19 06:36
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I do have all the destination mail boxes setup for filtering. I
have added the spam user field to my view as I have only just
started using the tool I wanted to see how it did. The
scoring is excellent.
Below is todays log, and you can see that I manually deleted
as spam several messages.
You can see that some were scored as unsure but none
moved to my suspected folder. They all had scores higher
than the threshold.
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Simon Keen\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Simon Keen\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 183 spam and 1003 good
messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9,
2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2
(July 2003))
on Windows 5.1.2600 ()
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200
32 bit (Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(mfbn68)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(Open Source)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(Simon)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(simon.keen)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(skeen)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(Small Office Tools)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
(Axiom)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox(Jack
Smiler)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder
Inbox/Outbox (Sharon)
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder SPAM
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 169.808ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox (mfbn68)' took
0.595048ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox (Open Source)' took
0.701206ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox (Simon)' took
133.575ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox (simon.keen)' took
182.86ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox (skeen)' took
2.27236ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox (Small Office Tools)'
took 0.465143ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox(Axiom)' took
0.504533ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox(Jack Smiler)' took
0.425194ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox/Outbox (Sharon)'
took 22.0567ms
FAILED to add the toolbar
item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-
2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -
2147467259), None)
Deleted the dead popup control - re-creating
Message 'NEW ASP jobs - apply today! 1661460'
had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'I b"ec.ame 10 ' times the man I use t:o b.e
popsejt' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure'
Message 'Re: Happy X-Mas Time! aqvq' had a Spam
classification of 'Yes'
Training on message 'I b"ec.ame 10 ' times the man I use t:o
b.e popsejt' - trained as good
Training on message 'Re: Happy X-Mas Time! aqvq' - trained
as good
Message 'Latest Jobs From CWJobs.co.uk' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Re: old (as in longtime) friends' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Latest jobs from the IT Job Board' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Latest Jobs From CWJobs.co.uk' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Latest Jobs From CWJobs.co.uk' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Jobsite Jobs-by-Email Alert' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Simon
Keen\Application Data\SpamBayes\Outlook.ini
Moving and spam training message 'Re: Happy X-Mas Time!
aqvq' - Training on message 'Re: Happy X-Mas Time! aqvq' -
trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'I b"ec.ame 10 ' times the
man I use t:o b.e popsejt' - Training on message 'I
b"ec.ame 10 ' times the man I use t:o b.e popsejt' -
trained as spam
Message 'SourceForge.net Account Registration' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Simon
Keen\Application Data\SpamBayes\Outlook.ini
Message '[ spambayes-Bugs-802543 ] Outlook Plug-in does
not filter mail moved by rules from inb' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Stop sp at m the smart way homology' had a Spam
classification of 'Yes'
Training on message 'Stop sp at m the smart way homology' -
trained as good
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Simon
Keen\Application Data\SpamBayes\Outlook.ini
Moving and spam training message 'Stop sp at m the smart way
homology' - Training on message 'Stop sp at m the smart way
homology' - trained as spam
Message '[ spambayes-Bugs-802543 ] Outlook Plug-in does
not filter mail moved by rules from inb' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'FW: xmas specials' had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'Re: My instant access jgazv ivaz' had a Spam
classification of 'Yes'
Training on message 'Re: My instant access jgazv ivaz' -
trained as good
Moving and spam training message 'Re: My instant access
jgazv ivaz' - Training on message 'Re: My instant access
jgazv ivaz' - trained as spam
Message '[ spambayes-Bugs-802543 ] Outlook Plug-in does
not filter mail moved by rules from inb' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
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Comment By: Kenny Pitt (kpitt)
Date: 2003-12-19 05:56
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The toolbar failure is normal, and SpamBayes just recreates
the SpamBayes menu. The next release should include an
improved message to indicate that this is expected.
When using background filtering, SpamBayes will not see
messages before they are moved out of your Inbox by
Outlook rules. If you want moved messages to also be
filtered for spam, make sure that you have included all folders
that messages could be moved *to* in the "Filter the
following folders" setting on the Filtering tab of SpamBayes
Manger.
How are you determining that messages are getting scored?
If you are checking them with the "Show spam clues"
command then that performs manual scoring of the message,
and does not indicate that SpamBayes scored the message
automatically.
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Comment By: Simon Keen (simonkeen)
Date: 2003-12-19 01:58
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I have now turned background filtering on and had it on for
3.5 hours, I have received more email and this is still not
being moved even though it has a high score.
I noticed this error message in every log put in at startup
time:
FAILED to add the toolbar
item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-
2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -
2147467259), None)
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Comment By: Simon Keen (simonkeen)
Date: 2003-12-18 22:28
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I can report experiencing similar problems. If I knew how to
add my logs files I would to assist.
I am running XP Home, Outlook 2002
Messages are moved from my Inbox to other folders with rules.
All messages are filtered, I get a score ( and a good one I
must admit) but they are not moved to the Spam or suspect
folders.
As very few messages are left in my inbox I can not yet tell if
those get moved correctly.
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Comment By: Nikolas Kyramarios (kyramas)
Date: 2003-10-29 21:09
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I can confirm that Outlook 2002 (winXP -v. 0.81) actually IS
filtering (even getting a score) my other folders but it does not
move the spams to the spam folder. (only applies to emails
that are moved by email-rules).
Main inbox is filtered OK and spams moved correctly.
I just read all the comments, since I am a new user, I will send
a log as soon as (if) I get the same results with background
proccessing enabled.
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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-10-27 14:32
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I'd like to see some logs for people who still see this
problem. Note that we know we have problems in this
scenario without Background mode enabled, so please make
sure you are using that before you attach the log.
Further, colforbin appears to have a different problem -
that the mail *is* filtered by SpamBayes but then ends up
back in the inbox! Everyone else seems to have the problem
that SB simply isn't filtering these other folders. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
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Comment By: Joe Pinto (colforbin)
Date: 2003-09-27 05:28
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I am experiencing the same scenario, the filter correctly (and
impressively!) identifies mail as spam, but the mail is not
moved. My environment is Outlook XP and Windows 2000
professional. I can see the e-mail 'visiting' the suspected and
junk mail folders while watching the folder view in Outlook,
but invariably they end up back in my inbox. I have turned
off my Rules, but it is still happening. BTW, kudos for
undertaking this effort, I will donate because this is such a
great cause (and I encourage others to not take a 'free ride'
also).
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Comment By: bill cann (newsguy)
Date: 2003-09-26 05:08
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I submitted the original report. At mhammond's suggestion, I
installed .81 and after enabling the background mode, re-
establishing all the fields for spam scoring, and filtering the
recipient folders as well as the inbox, The folders handled by
Outlook rules were also automatically filtered as intended.
When mail arrives, I can watch the mail initially being moved
from the inbox to the separate folders by outlook rules, and
then subsequently being moved from these folders to the
Spam & Possible Spam folders by SpamBayes.
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Comment By: Oded Agam (odedagam)
Date: 2003-09-26 01:42
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Same thing happened to me as well.
But, I checked and saw that the plug in does not appear in
the com add-in manager. I've removed the spambayes
software, deleted the spambayes folder under the application
folder, deleted the spambayes toolbar from within Outlook
and then installed the latest version 0081 of the plug-in.
Then I configured the add-in again but all of this does not
help. I can use the spambayes toolbar and click "delete as
spam" manually and it does the job right, but the automatic
filtering of spam while I receive emails does not work at all.
If anyone has a resolution for this I would appreciate it.
I'm using Office xp professional and Outlook xp (2002) with sp-
2.
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Comment By: Jochen Tuchbreiter (whynot)
Date: 2003-09-15 11:49
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I can confirm this for 0081. I am moving all mail from my
inbox into 4 designated folders. Moving the mail detected as
spam/unsure never works for me.
I have tried to select background processing. Including or
excluding Inbox in the list of filtered folders does not
help either.
Outlook XP (German version)
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Comment By: Ken McIntosh (informsystems)
Date: 2003-09-12 11:08
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I just started using Version 0081 today and this problem is
still occurring. (It was also occurring with the previous version
I used, 007).
Like the other fellow, I use rules to move mail immediately
from the Inbox to one of 6 different folders. In my case, each
of those folders represents a different email account.
I've tried just filtering the Inbox, but the messages seem to
get moved by the rules before SpamBaye filters them. I've
also tried filtering just the 6 folders and not the Inbox and it
seems to work sometimes but not other times. I have a
feeling that I might workaround the problem by filtering my 6
folders (not Inbox), while setting SpamBaye to "filter in the
background", but I haven't done enough experimenting to see
if this works for sure.
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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-09-09 15:40
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What version? If not version 008, can you please try it?
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