From chris at inetd.com.au  Wed Aug  2 04:36:42 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:06:42 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Daryl Tester wrote:

> Which probably means there's an impending SAPUG Meeting!
>
> <insert lack-lustre fanfare here>.
>
> Who's up for a chin-wag and chow?  And when?

Sounds good.  Tue & Thu best for me.

Since you started this thread, you'll have to pick
a date & place :-)

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From ryan at uanywhere.com.au  Wed Aug  2 17:20:14 2006
From: ryan at uanywhere.com.au (Ryan Verner)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:50:14 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Chris Foote wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Daryl Tester wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Which probably means there's an impending SAPUG Meeting!
>>
>><insert lack-lustre fanfare here>.
>>
>>Who's up for a chin-wag and chow?  And when?
>>    
>>
>
>Sounds good.  Tue & Thu best for me.
>
>Since you started this thread, you'll have to pick
>a date & place :-)
>
>  
>
No response, so I'll throw a suggestion in - how about next Thursday 
(10th August)?

Cheers,

R


From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Wed Aug  2 23:37:40 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:07:40 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Chris Foote wrote:

>> Who's up for a chin-wag and chow?  And when?

> Sounds good.  Tue & Thu best for me.
> 
> Since you started this thread, you'll have to pick
> a date & place :-)

(Late for work, brief non-spell chechked reply)

Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll
default to SA-AUUG mode and say "Marcellina's, 7pm"
(sorry for the lack of thought).  I could give a very
lightning presentation (aka no preperation, just working
code and hastily cobbled^W^Wproduction quality notes) on
the Quilter work I've been working on, which is a
qmail-milter mechanism with Python backend.



-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From chris at inetd.com.au  Thu Aug  3 08:31:27 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:01:27 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Daryl Tester wrote:

> Chris Foote wrote:
>
>>> Who's up for a chin-wag and chow?  And when?
>
>> Sounds good.  Tue & Thu best for me.
>>
>> Since you started this thread, you'll have to pick
>> a date & place :-)
>
> (Late for work, brief non-spell chechked reply)
>
> Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll
> default to SA-AUUG mode and say "Marcellina's, 7pm"
> (sorry for the lack of thought).  I could give a very
> lightning presentation (aka no preperation, just working
> code and hastily cobbled^W^Wproduction quality notes) on
> the Quilter work I've been working on, which is a
> qmail-milter mechanism with Python backend.

Sounds good.

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From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Thu Aug  3 23:40:40 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 07:10:40 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Ryan Verner wrote:

> No response, so I'll throw a suggestion in -

Bear in mind that some of the contracts I get into (like
my current one) forbid contractors the use of phones and
web access to emails, so there are occasional periods
where I appear go off air (I don't as such - I triage my
email when I get access to it and have to spend the
majority of the time on work issues).

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Sat Aug  5 06:46:54 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:16:54 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
In-Reply-To: <4859E105-525E-438A-AD03-D1B47B38A557@adam.com.au>
References: <44CAA41B.9000601@iocane.com.au>	<pan.2006.07.31.08.22.01.139725@toojays.net>
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stephen white wrote:

> Your spidey senses are probably picking up this URL:
> 
> 	http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/07/ 
> ruby_book_sales_pass_perl.html
> 
> which also links to:
> 
> 	http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/12/ 
> ruby_book_sales_surpass_python.html

So, you're saying I should switch to .NET then?


-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From ryan at uanywhere.com.au  Sat Aug  5 16:30:28 2006
From: ryan at uanywhere.com.au (Ryan Verner)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 00:00:28 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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On 03/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, Daryl Tester wrote:

> Chris Foote wrote:
>
>>> Who's up for a chin-wag and chow?  And when?
>
>> Sounds good.  Tue & Thu best for me.
>>
>> Since you started this thread, you'll have to pick
>> a date & place :-)
>
> (Late for work, brief non-spell chechked reply)
>
> Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll

Ah, next Tuesday is out for me, but anytime after that should be OK.

R


From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Sun Aug  6 00:28:03 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:58:03 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Ryan Verner wrote:

>> Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll

> Ah, next Tuesday is out for me, but anytime after that should be OK.

The following Tuesday is the LinuxSA meeting - would that
clash with anyone's schedule?



-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From chris at inetd.com.au  Sun Aug  6 06:13:14 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:43:14 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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References: <44CAA41B.9000601@iocane.com.au>
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, stephen white wrote:

> On 31/07/2006, at 5:52 PM, John Steele Scott wrote:
>>> Which probably means there's an impending SAPUG Meeting!
>
> Your spidey senses are probably picking up this URL:
>
> 	http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/07/
> ruby_book_sales_pass_perl.html
>
> which also links to:
>
> 	http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/12/
> ruby_book_sales_surpass_python.html

hehe... Does that mean you're advocating Javascript, the
one at the top of the graph ?   :-)

> So while you're using obsolete outdated computer languages, why not
> go for Objective C? :)

Or Common Lisp even :-)

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From steve at adam.com.au  Mon Aug  7 05:14:07 2006
From: steve at adam.com.au (stephen white)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:44:07 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608061340300.29802@py.inetd.com.au>
References: <44CAA41B.9000601@iocane.com.au>
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>> 	http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/12/
>> ruby_book_sales_surpass_python.html

Dazzaducks wrote:
> So, you're saying I should switch to .NET then?

On 06/08/2006, at 1:43 PM, Chris Foote wrote:
> hehe... Does that mean you're advocating Javascript, the
> one at the top of the graph ?   :-)

I hadn't reasoned my way to that unpleasant conclusion!

Compared to Javascript and .Net, Python is way way better.

Please continue!

PS. I'm reading that JavaScript isn't like Java, and is actually a  
nice language akin to Scheme? Lies?

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From chris at inetd.com.au  Mon Aug  7 07:42:17 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:12:17 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, stephen white wrote:

> PS. I'm reading that JavaScript isn't like Java, and is actually a
> nice language akin to Scheme? Lies?

It's actually called ECMAscript.  I think Netscape coined it "Javascript".
The trouble with it is that only a very old version / subset of the
language was implemented in different web browsers, so you're quite
limited by that :-(

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From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Mon Aug  7 13:59:53 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:29:53 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Daryl Tester wrote:

> Ryan Verner wrote:
> 
>>> Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll
> 
>> Ah, next Tuesday is out for me, but anytime after that should be OK.
> 
> The following Tuesday is the LinuxSA meeting - would that
> clash with anyone's schedule?

So that's a no then?  15th August is the final offer?  Going once?


-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From chris at inetd.com.au  Mon Aug  7 14:04:20 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:34:20 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Daryl Tester wrote:

> Daryl Tester wrote:
>
>> Ryan Verner wrote:
>>
>>>> Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll
>>
>>> Ah, next Tuesday is out for me, but anytime after that should be OK.
>>
>> The following Tuesday is the LinuxSA meeting - would that
>> clash with anyone's schedule?
>
> So that's a no then?  15th August is the final offer?  Going once?

cool for me.

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From ryan at uanywhere.com.au  Mon Aug  7 14:07:11 2006
From: ryan at uanywhere.com.au (Ryan Verner)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:37:11 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
In-Reply-To: <44D72B39.8000006@iocane.com.au>
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Daryl Tester wrote:
> Daryl Tester wrote:
> 
> >Ryan Verner wrote:
> >
> >>>Next Thursday is out for me, but Tuesday is OK.  I'll
> >
> >>Ah, next Tuesday is out for me, but anytime after that should be OK.
> >
> >The following Tuesday is the LinuxSA meeting - would that
> >clash with anyone's schedule?
> 
> So that's a no then?  15th August is the final offer?  Going once?

I'll probably be going to that personally, but don't arrange the meeting
around me - whatever suits anybody.  I'd probably go for that Thursday
or the Tuesday after?

R

> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.
> 

From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Mon Aug  7 14:09:50 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:39:50 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Ryan Verner wrote:

>> So that's a no then?  15th August is the final offer?  Going once?
> 
> I'll probably be going to that personally, but don't arrange the meeting
> around me - whatever suits anybody.  I'd probably go for that Thursday
> or the Tuesday after?

So the 17th?  Going twice?


-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From spam at afoyi.com  Tue Aug  8 01:04:57 2006
From: spam at afoyi.com (Darryl Ross)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:34:57 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Daryl Tester wrote:
> Ryan Verner wrote:
> 
>>> So that's a no then?  15th August is the final offer?  Going once?
>> I'll probably be going to that personally, but don't arrange the meeting
>> around me - whatever suits anybody.  I'd probably go for that Thursday
>> or the Tuesday after?
> 
> So the 17th?  Going twice?

Should be ok. Depending on the family midget :)

Cheers
D

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From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Tue Aug  8 11:37:41 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:07:41 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Darryl Ross wrote:

>> So the 17th?  Going twice?

Thursday the 17th it is, 7:00 pm.  Be there or be elsewhere.

> Should be ok. Depending on the family midget :)

"All I can give you are these chewable Prozac for kids. Your choice:
Manic Depressive Mouse, or the Bluebird of Unhappiness."



-- 
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  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From spam at afoyi.com  Wed Aug  9 03:07:14 2006
From: spam at afoyi.com (Darryl Ross)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:37:14 +0930
Subject: [sapug] The ol' spidey senses are tingling
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Daryl Tester wrote:

> Thursday the 17th it is, 7:00 pm.  Be there or be elsewhere.

Hmm, I should check my calendar more closely. The boss (wife!) has a
massage at 7pm on the 17th.

How long will you guys be hanging around? Is it worth coming down
afterwards?

Regards
D

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From chris at inetd.com.au  Wed Aug  9 05:16:54 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:46:54 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] Guido interview (podcast)
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very cool !
 	http://www.twit.tv/floss11

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From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Tue Aug 15 13:02:12 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:32:12 +0930
Subject: [sapug] SAPUG Bi-Whenever Meeting.
Message-ID: <44E1A9B4.8020403@iocane.com.au>

The South Australian Python Users Group proudly presents its
irregular meeting this Thursday, 17th August 7:00 pm at
Marcellina's on Hindley Street (home of the infamous Calzone
gang).  It's an informal thing, so it'll be some food, some
Python, some discussion, and myself giving a "round napkin"
talk (aka very little preparation) on a milter-like extension
to qmail that I've been working on.

All are welcome (except maybe Perl acolytes - they scare me,
and we're not big enough to rumble yet).

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From toojays at toojays.net  Tue Aug 15 13:17:38 2006
From: toojays at toojays.net (John Steele Scott)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:47:38 +0930
Subject: [sapug] SAPUG Bi-Whenever Meeting.
In-Reply-To: <44E1A9B4.8020403@iocane.com.au>
References: <44E1A9B4.8020403@iocane.com.au>
Message-ID: <20060815204738.5091bbea@fuzz.toojays.net>

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:32:12 +0930
Daryl Tester <Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au> wrote:

> The South Australian Python Users Group proudly presents its
> irregular meeting this Thursday, 17th August 7:00 pm at
> Marcellina's on Hindley Street (home of the infamous Calzone
> gang).  It's an informal thing, so it'll be some food, some
> Python, some discussion, and myself giving a "round napkin"
> talk (aka very little preparation) on a milter-like extension
> to qmail that I've been working on.

Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to this one.

cheers,

John

From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Fri Aug 18 13:31:24 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:01:24 +0930
Subject: [sapug] Me English Speak Good.
Message-ID: <44E5A50C.5020109@iocane.com.au>

In my usual inarticulate fashion, I was trying to remember a
graph at the get-together last night and all I could remember
was the "Trough of Disillusionment" (which was the wrong
graph completely).  The one I was trying to remember is
here:

http://www.erights.org/elib/concurrency/event-loop.html

and it's the graph under "Liveness: Avoiding Deadlocks".

The "Escape from Multithreaded Hell" is an interesting read
(at least, I remember it being an interesting read when
I read it, which is a while ago now).
-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From chris at inetd.com.au  Mon Aug 21 07:45:35 2006
From: chris at inetd.com.au (Chris Foote)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:15:35 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [sapug] Me English Speak Good.
In-Reply-To: <44E5A50C.5020109@iocane.com.au>
References: <44E5A50C.5020109@iocane.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608211514340.21734@py.inetd.com.au>

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Daryl Tester wrote:

> In my usual inarticulate fashion, I was trying to remember a
> graph at the get-together last night and all I could remember
> was the "Trough of Disillusionment" (which was the wrong
> graph completely).  The one I was trying to remember is
> here:
>
> http://www.erights.org/elib/concurrency/event-loop.html
>
> and it's the graph under "Liveness: Avoiding Deadlocks".
>
> The "Escape from Multithreaded Hell" is an interesting read
> (at least, I remember it being an interesting read when
> I read it, which is a while ago now).

Very good reading - thanks.

p.s. I hadn't ever heard of the 'E' language before.  (You think they
could have come up with a better name :-))

-- 
Chris Foote <chris at inetd.com.au>
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From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Tue Aug 22 14:47:42 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:17:42 +0930
Subject: [sapug] Me English Speak Good.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608211514340.21734@py.inetd.com.au>
References: <44E5A50C.5020109@iocane.com.au>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0608211514340.21734@py.inetd.com.au>
Message-ID: <44EAFCEE.2070804@iocane.com.au>

Chris Foote wrote:

>> The "Escape from Multithreaded Hell" is an interesting read
>> (at least, I remember it being an interesting read when
>> I read it, which is a while ago now).

Just in case I came across in the meet as an anti-thread racist,
I'm not really.  :-)  I've just come across too many developers/
programmers who've used threads to solve the wrong problem (e.g.
network latency), then surprised when its bit them elsewhere.
Multi-process on the other hand ...

> Very good reading - thanks.

I attempted to implement Vats under Python, but didn't understand
the model well enough (which is why I was implementing it in the
first place ...).

> p.s. I hadn't ever heard of the 'E' language before.  (You think they
> could have come up with a better name :-))

I suppose Ecstacy was already taken (pun intended).  The capability
stuff really intrigues me - E and its mate, the Eros operating
system.

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.