[Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: Can any cross platform gui framework limitations be filled with ctypes / pyobjc or other?

[Paul Wiseman]

On 9 July 2013 17:12, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal <chris.barker at noaa.gov>wrote:

> oops, sent only to Paul the first time....
>
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> From: Chris Barker - NOAA Federal <chris.barker at noaa.gov>
>
> Paul,
>
> > Qt looks great from my first impressions but one thing I'm not too sure
> > about is how native it can go, I know the controls are native and will
> use
> > carbon/cocoa underneath on mac for example.
>
> Personally I've used wxPython for years -- it would be a good option
> as well (and does use Cocoa under the hood in recent versions, so
> injecting some custom Ma-only code in there is quite doable.
>
> A lot of folks like QT a lot, it may be a good way to go -- honestly,
> I've stuck with wx mostly due to inertia -- never really considering
> alternatives.
>
>
I've used wxpython a lot in the past, and maintain some code that uses it
and I do like it, there are a couple of bits that have put me off though.
There doesn't seem to be an obvious way to implement an MVC type pattern
with it. I haven't used Qt much at all yet but QML looks extremely
interesting and pretty powerful. This signal and slots in qt reminds me a
lot of the outlet actions in the iOS world as well which helps a lot at
keeping everything de-coupled. I've found an awful lot of bugs with wx over
the time I've been using it as well which has put me off somewhat, but
that's probably true for a lot of systems/frameworks of that size that you
get very familiar with and use a lot.


> However, there is a key design difference -- wx wraps the native
> widgets, and QT, for the most part, re-implements them with low-level
> primitives. So while a QT Window is probably a Cocoa Window, the
> individual buttons, etc are not native. I don't know to what extent
> you can override this, but I do know that most of the QT apps I've
> seen on the Mac are not very native: not even using the native file
> open dialogs and the like. I'd be shocked if you couldn't do better
> with some care, but QT does not appear to do a very good job of native
> out of the box.
>

Do you know any Qt apps for mac? It would be quite useful to take a look at
a few to help weigh up my options.


>
> wxPython requires a bit of care to look and feel truly native as well,
> but it gets closer by default.
>
> IIUC, PySide is essentially an alternative to PyQT with a different
> (more liberal) licence. It is certainly under active development. For
> example, Enthought, Inc is relying on it for a lot of their stuff, and
> has hired Robin Dunn (ironically the wxPython founder/developer) to
> work on it. There was a sprint at last weeks' SciPy conference as
> well.
>
> If you do want to cal native code, PYObjC is likely the easiest way,
> but if that doesn't look right to you, Cython may be worth a shot --
> it's a good way to call C and C++ APIs.
>
> HTH,
>   -Chris
>
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>
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