From karstenwo at googlemail.com  Wed Feb  2 01:22:51 2011
From: karstenwo at googlemail.com (Karsten Wolf)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 01:22:51 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [py-appscript] is System Events sleeping ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikmQNPNgeJa+orYUWZjKH7Wit_ht1O=2BGC8L5+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikW5dZGVnqjFfKyiKzZCfdJ4Ow=vvbCRL5dT--E@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Nk7w3fwwPn+5fN+uEhuCpPFXBe6JzmDFypiuL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikmQNPNgeJa+orYUWZjKH7Wit_ht1O=2BGC8L5+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86ED2406-C0F3-4E35-AF2E-0C9249532CFE@googlemail.com>


Am 30.01.2011 um 16:12 schrieb Fandekasp:

> Ok so the only solution for me is to map a sleep key which will  
> call my
> program and plan some tasks (threading.Timer), and my program will  
> force my
> system to sleep after that.


If you're willing to dive into pyobjc, NSWorkspace may help you.

Ask for a NSWorkspaceWillSleepNotification and you get ca. 30 seconds  
to finish your pre-sleep duties, after that, well you're asleep.

This is a modified script from the pyobjc examples and works on  
python 2.7 with pyobjc 1.4 on OSX 10.4. YMMV.

-karsten

P.S.: There are many more notifications. Application launch/quit;  
volumes mount/unmount; sleep, wake, power-off. The original demo ran  
a script when a new volume was mounted. Read the NSWorkspace class  
reference.

#!/usr/bin/env python

import time

import Foundation
NSObject = Foundation.NSObject

import AppKit
NSWorkspace = AppKit.NSWorkspace
NSWorkspaceWillSleepNotification =  
AppKit.NSWorkspaceWillSleepNotification
NSWorkspaceDidWakeNotification = AppKit.NSWorkspaceDidWakeNotification

import PyObjCTools.AppHelper as AppHelper

class NotificationHandler(NSObject):
     """Class that handles the sleep notifications."""

     def handleSleepNotification_(self, aNotification):
         for i in range(1, 101):
             time.sleep(1)
             print str(i)+u"seconds yet.."

ws = NSWorkspace.sharedWorkspace()
notificationCenter = ws.notificationCenter()
sleepHandler = NotificationHandler.new()

notificationCenter.addObserver_selector_name_object_(
         sleepHandler,
         "handleSleepNotification:",
         NSWorkspaceWillSleepNotification,
         None)
print "Waiting for sheep count to start..."
AppHelper.runConsoleEventLoop()


From parkjv1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 04:23:34 2011
From: parkjv1 at gmail.com (John Parker)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:23:34 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some test code
Message-ID: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>

All,

I have written this test code

if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
     print "That card is Red"
     
elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs"):
     print "That card is Black"

It seems to work but prior to this code, it looked like this

if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
     print "That card is Red"
     
elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs")
     print "That card is Black"

Which didn't work.  Can someone set me straight because in class

The teacher gave an example like this which worked
 if (favcolor == "Red"):
    print "Roses are Red"
    
 elif (favcolor == "Blue"
    print "Violets are Blue"
       

So, why did I have to add a second : after my code for spades or clubs?

Thanks,

John
Python newbie




From pythonmac at rebertia.com  Thu Feb  3 05:45:14 2011
From: pythonmac at rebertia.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 20:45:14 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some test code
In-Reply-To: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>
References: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John Parker <parkjv1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have written this test code
>
> if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
> ? ? print "That card is Red"
>
> elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs"):
> ? ? print "That card is Black"

Note that the parentheses are completely unnecessary and not idiomatic style.
    if card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds":
is the normal way of writing compound conditions.

> It seems to work but prior to this code, it looked like this
>
> if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
> ? ? print "That card is Red"
>
> elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs")
> ? ? print "That card is Black"
>
> Which didn't work. ?Can someone set me straight because in class
>
> The teacher gave an example like this which worked
> ?if (favcolor == "Red"):
> ? ?print "Roses are Red"
>
> ?elif (favcolor == "Blue"
> ? ?print "Violets are Blue"

I can assure you that such code does not work. Either the example was
incorrect or there is some other key difference you accidentally
omitted. The colons are absolutely required.

> So, why did I have to add a second : after my code for spades or clubs?

All Python control structures require a colon.
The general form is:
<control keyword> <stuff>:
    <body>

In the specific case of if-elif-else, we have:
if condition:
    do_something
elif other_condition:
    do_something_else
else:
    do_a_third_thing

All the colons are always mandatory.

Also, your question isn't Mac-specific, so for future reference, it
would have been better posed to the more general and widely-read
python-list (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list ).

Cheers,
Chris
--
http://blog.rebertia.com

From hraban at fiee.net  Thu Feb  3 08:48:39 2011
From: hraban at fiee.net (Henning Hraban Ramm)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:48:39 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some test code
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E617EAD-4C6F-4D9E-BD0D-21B1352F6768@fiee.net>

Am 2011-02-03 um 05:45 schrieb Chris Rebert:

>> if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
>>     print "That card is Red"
>>
>> elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs"):
>>     print "That card is Black"
>
> Note that the parentheses are completely unnecessary and not  
> idiomatic style.
>    if card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds":
> is the normal way of writing compound conditions.

or even:

if card in ('Hearts', 'Diamonds'):


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net
https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)





From fandekasp at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 09:24:24 2011
From: fandekasp at gmail.com (Fandekasp)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:24:24 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some test code
In-Reply-To: <7E617EAD-4C6F-4D9E-BD0D-21B1352F6768@fiee.net>
References: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E617EAD-4C6F-4D9E-BD0D-21B1352F6768@fiee.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim_EwrGFVMG-UUjSArHuE4uWjVb1QjS5hLZAMYa@mail.gmail.com>

If you have only 4 type of cards, it's even better to write a oneliner :

print card in ["Hearts", "Diamonds"] and "That car is red" or "That card is
> Black"


On 3 February 2011 07:48, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban at fiee.net> wrote:

> Am 2011-02-03 um 05:45 schrieb Chris Rebert:
>
>
>  if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
>>>    print "That card is Red"
>>>
>>> elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs"):
>>>    print "That card is Black"
>>>
>>
>> Note that the parentheses are completely unnecessary and not idiomatic
>> style.
>>   if card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds":
>> is the normal way of writing compound conditions.
>>
>
> or even:
>
> if card in ('Hearts', 'Diamonds'):
>
>
> Greetlings from Lake Constance!
> Hraban
> ---
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> https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
>
>
>
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From pythonmac at rebertia.com  Thu Feb  3 09:39:15 2011
From: pythonmac at rebertia.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 00:39:15 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some test code
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim_EwrGFVMG-UUjSArHuE4uWjVb1QjS5hLZAMYa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E617EAD-4C6F-4D9E-BD0D-21B1352F6768@fiee.net>
	<AANLkTim_EwrGFVMG-UUjSArHuE4uWjVb1QjS5hLZAMYa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZVr2rTyQ2Ab9ELpKJ4Wi3nCgcDed2stmndS6P@mail.gmail.com>

> On 3 February 2011 07:48, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban at fiee.net> wrote:
>> Am 2011-02-03 um 05:45 schrieb Chris Rebert:
>>
>>>> if (card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds"):
>>>> ? ?print "That card is Red"
>>>>
>>>> elif (card == "Spades" or card == "Clubs"):
>>>> ? ?print "That card is Black"
>>>
>>> Note that the parentheses are completely unnecessary and not idiomatic
>>> style.
>>> ? if card == "Hearts" or card == "Diamonds":
>>> is the normal way of writing compound conditions.
>>
>> or even:
>>
>> if card in ('Hearts', 'Diamonds'):

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Fandekasp <fandekasp at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you have only 4 type of cards, it's even better to write a oneliner :
>>
>> print card in ["Hearts", "Diamonds"] and?"That car is red"?or "That card
>> is Black"

There's no need for that hack. Python has a proper ternary operator; use it:

print ("That car is red" if card in ["Hearts", "Diamonds"] else "That
card is Black")

Cheers,
Chris

From estartu at augusta.de  Thu Feb  3 14:54:53 2011
From: estartu at augusta.de (Gerhard Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:54:53 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problems with py2app
Message-ID: <4D4AB3AD.7080906@augusta.de>

HI,

I try to generate an MacOSX app from one of my wxPython projects. but 
I've run into some problems with py2app.

when I run python setup.py py2app i get the following error

running py2app
creating /home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist
*** filtering dependencies ***
242 total
238 filtered
0 orphaned
4 remaining
*** create binaries ***
*** byte compile python files ***
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py 
to boot_app.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/chdir_resource.py 
to chdir_resource.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/disable_linecache.py 
to disable_linecache.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/verwaltung.py to 
verwaltung.pyc
*** creating application bundle: ACFVereinsverwaltung ***
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 604, in _run
    self.run_normal()
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 675, in run_normal
    self.create_binaries(py_files, pkgdirs, extensions, loader_files)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 772, in create_binaries
    target, arcname, pkgexts, copyexts, target.script)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 1207, in build_executable
    appdir, resdir, plist = self.create_bundle(target, script)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 1130, in create_bundle
    use_runtime_preference=use_runtime_preference
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 1119, in create_appbundle
    extension=self.extension,
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/create_appbundle.py", 
line 34, in create_appbundle
    copy(srcmain, destmain)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/util.py", 
line 233, in mergecopy
    return macholib.util.mergecopy(src, dest)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/macholib/util.py", line 111, in 
mergecopy
    copy2(src, dest)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/macholib/util.py", line 43, in copy2
    shutil.copy2(fsencoding(src), fsencoding(dst))
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/shutil.py", 
line 100, in copy2
    copystat(src, dst)
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/shutil.py", 
line 77, in copystat
    os.chflags(dst, st.st_flags)
OSError: [Errno 45] Operation not supported: 
'/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/MacOS/Vereinsverwaltung'
 > 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/shutil.py(77)copystat()
-> os.chflags(dst, st.st_flags)
(Pdb)


ctrl-d and python setup.py py2app producers another error message

running py2app
*** filtering dependencies ***
242 total
238 filtered
0 orphaned
4 remaining
*** create binaries ***
*** byte compile python files ***
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py 
to boot_app.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/chdir_resource.py 
to chdir_resource.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/disable_linecache.py 
to disable_linecache.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/verwaltung.py to 
verwaltung.pyc
*** creating application bundle: ACFVereinsverwaltung ***
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 604, in _run
    self.run_normal()
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 675, in run_normal
    self.create_binaries(py_files, pkgdirs, extensions, loader_files)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 772, in create_binaries
    target, arcname, pkgexts, copyexts, target.script)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 1207, in build_executable
    appdir, resdir, plist = self.create_bundle(target, script)
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 1130, in create_bundle
    use_runtime_preference=use_runtime_preference
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", 
line 1119, in create_appbundle
    extension=self.extension,
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/create_appbundle.py", 
line 40, in create_appbundle
    copyfn=copy,
  File 
"/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/util.py", 
line 237, in mergetree
    return macholib.util.mergetree(src, dst, condition=condition, 
copyfn=copyfn)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/macholib/util.py", line 145, in 
mergetree
    raise IOError(errors)
IOError: 
[('/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/apptemplate/lib/__error__.sh', 
'/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/__error__.sh', 
OSError(45, 'Operation not supported')), 
('/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/apptemplate/lib/site.py', 
'/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/site.py', 
OSError(45, 'Operation not supported')), 
('/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/apptemplate/lib/site.pyc', 
'/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/site.pyc', 
OSError(45, 'Operation not supported'))]
 > 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/macholib/util.py(145)mergetree()
(Pdb)

again ctrl-d an restart runs without error

running py2app
*** filtering dependencies ***
242 total
238 filtered
0 orphaned
4 remaining
*** create binaries ***
*** byte compile python files ***
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py 
to boot_app.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/chdir_resource.py 
to chdir_resource.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/disable_linecache.py 
to disable_linecache.pyc
skipping byte-compilation of 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/verwaltung.py to 
verwaltung.pyc
*** creating application bundle: ACFVereinsverwaltung ***
copying verwaltung.py -> 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources
creating 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/lib
creating 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.6
copying 
build/bdist.macosx-10.6-universal/python2.6-semi_standalone/app/site-packages.zip 
-> 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.6
creating 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload
creating 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/Frameworks
stripping Vereinsverwaltung
stripping saved 33768 bytes (173528 / 207296)

i have stipped my .py file to do nothing at all, no imports just an 
empty .py file still the app produces an abort trap error

Process:         Vereinsverwaltung [1567]
Path:            
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/MacOS/Vereinsverwaltung
Identifier:      com.acf.vereinsverwaltung
Version:         0.0.1 (0.0.0)
Code Type:       X86 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [98]

Date/Time:       2011-02-03 14:51:30.293 +0100
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.6.6 (10J567)
Report Version:  6

Interval Since Last Report:          9498 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:           12
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   6
Anonymous UUID:                      8877B2B8-9749-4AB2-B12A-4A6408A8D4E4

Exception Type:  EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Application Specific Information:
__abort() called

Thread 0 Crashed:  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x96a18176 __kill + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x96a18168 kill$UNIX2003 + 32
2   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x96aaa89d raise + 26
3   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x96ac0951 __abort + 124
4   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x96aa362c 
release_file_streams_for_task + 0
5   com.acf.vereinsverwaltung         0x00003f25 start + 10393
6   com.acf.vereinsverwaltung         0x0000699e start + 21266
7   com.acf.vereinsverwaltung         0x00006f8c main + 285
8   com.acf.vereinsverwaltung         0x000016c2 start + 54

Thread 1:  Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dd982 kevent + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969de09c _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 215
2   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dd559 _dispatch_queue_invoke 
+ 163
3   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dd2fe 
_dispatch_worker_thread2 + 240
4   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dcd81 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dcbc6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dca12 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dcfa8 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2   libSystem.B.dylib                 0x969dcbc6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
  eax: 0x00000000  ebx: 0x96ac08e1  ecx: 0xbfffe86c  edx: 0x96a18176
  edi: 0x00000000  esi: 0x00000000  ebp: 0xbfffe888  esp: 0xbfffe86c
   ss: 0x0000001f  efl: 0x00000282  eip: 0x96a18176   cs: 0x00000007
   ds: 0x0000001f   es: 0x0000001f   fs: 0x00000000   gs: 0x00000037
  cr2: 0xffe178e8

Binary Images:
    0x1000 -     0x7ff7 +com.acf.vereinsverwaltung 0.0.1 (0.0.0) 
<6EA54C30-8072-41D2-C8FE-5938B665F31E> 
/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/MacOS/Vereinsverwaltung
0x8fe00000 - 0x8fe4162b  dyld 132.1 (???) 
<749D24EE-54BD-D74B-D305-C13F5E6C95D8> /usr/lib/dyld
0x9201f000 - 0x92022fe7  libmathCommon.A.dylib 315.0.0 (compatibility 
1.0.0) <1622A54F-1A98-2CBE-B6A4-2122981A500E> 
/usr/lib/system/libmathCommon.A.dylib
0x9218c000 - 0x92239fe7  libobjc.A.dylib 227.0.0 (compatibility 1.0.0) 
<C8925910-B927-968B-4B71-D83A4CEF8646> /usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib
0x925e3000 - 0x92629ff7  libauto.dylib ??? (???) 
<29422A70-87CF-10E2-CE59-FEE1234CFAAE> /usr/lib/libauto.dylib
0x93a31000 - 0x93a3ffe7  libz.1.dylib 1.2.3 (compatibility 1.0.0) 
<33C1B260-ED05-945D-FC33-EF56EC791E2E> /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib
0x969b6000 - 0x96b5dff7  libSystem.B.dylib 125.2.1 (compatibility 1.0.0) 
<4FFBF71A-D603-3C64-2BC6-BFBFFFD562F0> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x97b47000 - 0x97bb1fe7  libstdc++.6.dylib 7.9.0 (compatibility 7.0.0) 
<411D87F4-B7E1-44EB-F201-F8B4F9227213> /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib
0x982e4000 - 0x9845ffe7  com.apple.CoreFoundation 6.6.4 (550.42) 
<C78D5079-663E-9734-7AFA-6CE79A0539F1> 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
0x98dfe000 - 0x98f80fe7  libicucore.A.dylib 40.0.0 (compatibility 1.0.0) 
<35DB7644-0780-D2AB-F6A9-45F28D2D434A> /usr/lib/libicucore.A.dylib
0xffff0000 - 0xffff1fff  libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) 
<4FFBF71A-D603-3C64-2BC6-BFBFFFD562F0> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib

Model: iMac4,1, BootROM IM41.0055.B08, 2 processors, Intel Core Duo, 2 
GHz, 1,5 GB, SMC 1.1f5
Graphics: ATI Radeon X1600, ATY,RadeonX1600, PCIe, 128 MB
Memory Module: global_name
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x89), 
Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.131.36.1)
Bluetooth: Version 2.3.8f7, 2 service, 12 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD2500JS-40NGB2, 232,89 GB
Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R   UJ-846
USB Device: Built-in iSight, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x8501, 0xfd400000
USB Device: iPhone, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x1294, 0xfd300000
USB Device: Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x1003, 
0x1d100000
USB Device: Apple Optical USB Mouse, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x0304, 
0x1d110000
USB Device: Apple Pro Keyboard, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x020c, 0x1d130000
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x8206, 
0x7d100000
USB Device: IR Receiver, 0x05ac  (Apple Inc.), 0x8240, 0x7d200000

the setup.py locks like this

"""
This is a setup.py script generated by py2applet

Usage:
    python setup.py py2app
"""

import os, sys

from setuptools import setup

APP = ['verwaltung.py']
DATA_FILES = []
OPTIONS = {'plist': dict(CFBundleName               = 
"ACFVereinsverwaltung",
                         CFBundleShortVersionString = "0.0.1",     # 
must be in X.X.X format
                         CFBundleGetInfoString      = 
"ACFVereinsverwaltung 0.0.1",
                         CFBundleExecutable         = "Vereinsverwaltung",
                         CFBundleIdentifier         = 
"com.acf.vereinsverwaltung",
                         )
#          ,'packages':      'wx'
#          ,'site_packages': True
          }

setup(app=APP
     ,data_files=DATA_FILES
     ,options={'py2app': OPTIONS}
     ,setup_requires=['py2app']
)

I don't understand whats going wrong with py2app.

Regards
    Gerhard



From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Feb  3 20:17:27 2011
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:17:27 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some test code
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96F4396.8367%parkjv1@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimAr4qTpXzpguqxAYwMqkgLeQ+JJg1Uv1VbuU0Y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D4AFF47.7050502@noaa.gov>

On 2/2/11 8:45 PM, Chris Rebert wrote:

> Also, your question isn't Mac-specific, so for future reference, it
> would have been better posed to the more general and widely-read
> python-list (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list ).

or better yet, the python tutor list:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Fri Feb  4 13:39:09 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:39:09 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problems with py2app
In-Reply-To: <4D4AB3AD.7080906@augusta.de>
References: <4D4AB3AD.7080906@augusta.de>
Message-ID: <922D5B08-DD5F-4D01-B857-198EB966833B@mac.com>


On 3 Feb, 2011, at 14:54, Gerhard Schmidt wrote:

> HI,
> 
> I try to generate an MacOSX app from one of my wxPython projects. but I've run into some problems with py2app.
> 
> when I run python setup.py py2app i get the following error
> 
> running py2app
> creating /home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist
> *** filtering dependencies ***
> 242 total
> 238 filtered
> 0 orphaned
> 4 remaining
> *** create binaries ***
> *** byte compile python files ***
> skipping byte-compilation of /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py to boot_app.pyc
> skipping byte-compilation of /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/chdir_resource.py to chdir_resource.pyc
> skipping byte-compilation of /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/bootstrap/disable_linecache.py to disable_linecache.pyc
> skipping byte-compilation of /home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/verwaltung.py to verwaltung.pyc
> *** creating application bundle: ACFVereinsverwaltung ***
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 604, in _run
>   self.run_normal()
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 675, in run_normal
>   self.create_binaries(py_files, pkgdirs, extensions, loader_files)
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 772, in create_binaries
>   target, arcname, pkgexts, copyexts, target.script)
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 1207, in build_executable
>   appdir, resdir, plist = self.create_bundle(target, script)
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 1130, in create_bundle
>   use_runtime_preference=use_runtime_preference
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 1119, in create_appbundle
>   extension=self.extension,
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/create_appbundle.py", line 34, in create_appbundle
>   copy(srcmain, destmain)
> File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg/py2app/util.py", line 233, in mergecopy
>   return macholib.util.mergecopy(src, dest)
> File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/macholib/util.py", line 111, in mergecopy
>   copy2(src, dest)
> File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/macholib/util.py", line 43, in copy2
>   shutil.copy2(fsencoding(src), fsencoding(dst))
> File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/shutil.py", line 100, in copy2
>   copystat(src, dst)
> File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/shutil.py", line 77, in copystat
>   os.chflags(dst, st.st_flags)
> OSError: [Errno 45] Operation not supported: '/home/users/estartu/projekte/acf/vereinsverwaltung/dist/ACFVereinsverwaltung.app/Contents/MacOS/Vereinsverwaltung'
> > /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/shutil.py(77)copystat()
> -> os.chflags(dst, st.st_flags)
> (Pdb)

This is very odd, it seems that the object copied into the application bundle is not a regular file.  The other issues you're haveing are likely related to this.


> 
> I don't understand whats going wrong with py2app.

I don't understand as well. I'll try to reproduce your problem, hopefully I'll be able to do so and find a fix.

Ronald


From antoine at nagafix.co.uk  Fri Feb  4 19:46:41 2011
From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:46:41 +0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] gtk/pygtk + py2app recipe
Message-ID: <4D4C4991.9040907@nagafix.co.uk>

Hi,

I've seen a number of questions about how to bundle pygtk applications
using py2app (*) and I've also spent a fair amount of time figuring
things out so I thought I would share my findings here. Especially since
there are no recipes for it built-in, no pygtk specific info on the
py2app website, and I could not find much through googling either.

My own instructions are based on tryton's, so this should be your first
stop:
http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/BuildingMacOSXInstall
If that works for you great, but for some reason these were not
sufficient in my case (maybe because of extra dependencies), so I also
added gtk-osx's "ige-mac-bundler" to the mix:
http://winswitch.org/dev/macosx.html
Clearly not all sections will be relevant to you, but hopefully this
will be helpful to some...

Cheers
Antoine

(*) examples of questions on the mailing list:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2011-January/022910.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/pythonmac-sig at python.org/msg09123.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/pythonmac-sig at python.org/msg09030.html

From dgodon at juno.com  Sat Feb  5 03:09:35 2011
From: dgodon at juno.com (dgodon at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 02:09:35 GMT
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript: Newbie trying to script using System
	Events
Message-ID: <20110204.180935.21744.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

Can anyone share some good examples of scripting System Events?  For instance, to select sub-menu options of an app, or to open/close app windows, or dock panels in Photoshop.  

Thanks,

-Demian

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From silver.francis at mac.com  Sat Feb  5 10:34:46 2011
From: silver.francis at mac.com (Francis Young)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:34:46 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] need help installing py2app
Message-ID: <3CA35C20-34A0-4A3C-A8AB-0FDAC323F95E@mac.com>

Hi there, 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 106, in <module>
    **extra_args
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/distutils/core.py", line 112, in setup
    _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/distribute-0.6.4-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py", line 224, in __init__
    _Distribution.__init__(self,attrs)
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/distutils/dist.py", line 267, in __init__
    self.finalize_options()
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/distribute-0.6.4-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py", line 257, in finalize_options
    ep.load()(self, ep.name, value)
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/distribute-0.6.4-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py", line 1922, in load
    raise ImportError("%r has no %r attribute" % (entry,attr))
ImportError: <module 'setuptools.dist' from '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/distribute-0.6.4-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.pyc'> has no 'check_packages' attribute
Francis-Youngs-iMac:py2app-0.5.2 FrancisYoung$ 

This is the error message i got and being new to python programming i don't understand how to work around this problem. Could someone please help?

From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Sat Feb  5 16:27:43 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 15:27:43 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript: Newbie trying to script using System
 Events
Message-ID: <4D4D6C6F.8030206@virgin.net>

dgodon wrote:

 > Can anyone share some good examples of scripting System Events?  For 
 > instance, to select sub-menu options of an app, or to open/close app 
 > windows, or dock panels in Photoshop.

GUI Scripting's a last resort where applications don't provide a 
suitable scripting interface of their own. It's brittle and fiddly, and 
finding your way around the structure of and application's is a chore. 
Best (paid) solution would be to use UI Browser 
(http://pfiddlesoft.com/uibrowser/) to generate AppleScript commands and 
convert them to Python via ASTranslate. Or you could use appscript's 
interactive help system to browse objects in SE; see the appscript 
manual for more info.

HTH

has



From dgodon at juno.com  Sat Feb  5 19:15:11 2011
From: dgodon at juno.com (dgodon at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:15:11 GMT
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript: Newbie trying to script using System
	Ev	ents
Message-ID: <20110205.101511.11570.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks for the help.  I'm considering using System Events for test automation.  To the extent where the app under test is script-able, that would certainly be preferable, but unfortunately, there are significant areas not exposed via the app's dictionary.  Most other test automation for the mac relies on screen capture (like Siluli or TestPlant) which is very fragile and doesn't scale.  System Events seemed like a potentially better option, but I was not enthusiastic about using AppleScript.  appscript seemed like a good way to go.  

Given your feedback below, is appscript+System Events a reasonable approach for test automation?

FYI, there is Mac automation tool that doesn't rely on screen capture - called Squish.  I've just started evaluating it.

thanks,

-Demian

---------- Original Message ----------
From: has <hengist.podd at virgin.net>
To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript: Newbie trying to script using System Events
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 15:27:43 +0000

dgodon wrote:

 > Can anyone share some good examples of scripting System Events?  For 
 > instance, to select sub-menu options of an app, or to open/close app 
 > windows, or dock panels in Photoshop.

GUI Scripting's a last resort where applications don't provide a 
suitable scripting interface of their own. It's brittle and fiddly, and 
finding your way around the structure of and application's is a chore. 
Best (paid) solution would be to use UI Browser 
(http://pfiddlesoft.com/uibrowser/) to generate AppleScript commands and 
convert them to Python via ASTranslate. Or you could use appscript's 
interactive help system to browse objects in SE; see the appscript 
manual for more info.

HTH

has


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From vze26m98 at optonline.net  Sat Feb  5 20:37:21 2011
From: vze26m98 at optonline.net (Charles Turner)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript: Newbie trying to script using
 System	Ev ents
In-Reply-To: <20110205.101511.11570.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110205.101511.11570.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <21FDA496-355D-448D-BD8F-51B2D995DBE1@optonline.net>

On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:15 PM, dgodon at juno.com wrote:

> Given your feedback below, is appscript+System Events a reasonable approach for test automation?

I'm sure there are many with greater experience, but I'd second everything has said about scripting system events: brittle and fiddly pretty well sums it up.

UIBrowser would be essential to keep your sanity, and you should program in py-appscript instead of Applescript.

One of the things that I find most bothersome is the timing of actions: some commands can't be made before a menu or window is instantiated. I've found often that KeyboardMaestro often gets around these issues, but on the other hand, doesn't offer as complete access to System Events as py-appscript would. KeyboardMaestro is itself py-appscript-able, so you could mix and match at will.

Also, a lot is dependent on your application(s) supporting System Events, which isn't (still) always the case.

So, I think you could use py-appscript to aid your testing, which isn't impossible to do, but as things get more complex and big, your scripts might become un-manageable. If you can split your testing into smaller tasks, you'll be in better good shape.

HTH, Charles




From brendan.simon at etrix.com.au  Sun Feb  6 10:47:37 2011
From: brendan.simon at etrix.com.au (Brendan Simon (eTRIX))
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:47:37 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] C++ ABI 1002/102 incompatibility with wxPython
In-Reply-To: <4D3F0301.3030209@noaa.gov>
References: <4D3E95F8.5000101@etrix.com.au> <4D3F0301.3030209@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <4D4E6E39.70808@etrix.com.au>

On 26/01/11 4:06 AM, Christopher Barker wrote:
> On 1/25/11 1:20 AM, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
>> I have a wxPython app that is built with py2app. A user recently
>> reported the following error when trying to run the app.
>>
>>     Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions
>>     detected.
>>     The library used 2.8 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx
>>     containers,compatible with 2.6),
>>     and your program used 2.8 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI
>>     102,wx containers,compatible with 2.6).
>>     Abort trap
>>     logout

As others have informed me, the C++ ABI changed from gcc-3.3 to gcc-3.4
(and beyond).

> Meanwhile a couple questions/thoughts:
> 
>  > It appears to be a difference in the wx libraries on the target system
>> and the wx libraries on the build system.
>>
>> Unfortunately, at this stage, I do not know what the OS X version is on
>> the target system.
>>
>> The app was built using Python 2.5.4, (wxPython 2.8.11.0 or 2.8.4.2 ??)
>> on OS X 10.6.6.
> 
> Is that the "apple's" python? i.e. the one in:
> 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5
> 
> If so, that is likely your problem. py2app does not bundle up everything
> if you're using Apple's python, so your python install and your users
> may be different.


It's not Apple's python.  It is 2.5.4 from Python.org.


>> Is there anyway to fix this with a py2app setting ??
> 
> not until we figure out what's wrong...
> 
>> Doesn't py2app copy all the libraries to the app bundle ??
> 
> it should, but it won't if you are using Apple's python, and sometimes
> things go wrong. wxPython puts itself in /usr/local/, while putting
> nifty sys.path manipulations in the python installs, so things can get a
> bit confused. But it's done so that one installer can support both
> python,org and apple pythons.
> 
>> I guess that
>> doesn't guarantee that the libraries will load on any OS.
> 
> no, it doesn't, but it should load on any version that your supporting
> libs are built for -- the standard wxPython installers are built for
> 10.4 and above (maybe 10.3.9 --not sure about that), and so is the
> python,org python -- are you using any other third-party libs that
> aren't pure python?


I have more info now.  The app is being run on a PPC Mac with 10.4.11
(Tiger).  Tiger should be fine in terms of ABI compatibility for
wxPython and Python.

I now have a 10.4.11 PowerPC Mac and can replicate the problem, though
it was a 10.2 (Jaguar) system that I upgraded to 10.4 (Tiger).  i.e.
it's not a fresh install of Tiger.

$ file /Applications/MyApp.app/Contents/MyApp
MyApp: Mach-O fat file with 2 architectures
MyApp (for architecture ppc):    Mach-O executable ppc
MyApp (for architecture i386):   Mach-O executable i386

$ /Applications/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp
Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions
detected.
The library used 2.8 (debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx
containers,compatible with 2.6)
and wxPython used 2.8 (debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx
containers,compatible with 2.6)
Abort

$ /Applications/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/python
Could not find platform independent libraries <exec_prefix>
Consider setting $PYTHONPATH to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin

>>> import sys
>>> for l in sys.path: print l
...

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python25.zip
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-darwin
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac/lib-scriptpackages
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-tk
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/lib-dynload
>>>

$ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/
$

No output from above command, but it shouldn't matter right, as all
libraries should be in the app bundle, right ??


From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Sun Feb  6 19:56:23 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:56:23 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [ann] py-appscript 1.0.0 final release
Message-ID: <AANLkTikgq+A6PDX4q-s6yY+rhmb+ebF9NaFFN-tkvLNC@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just to let you know that Python appscript 1.0.0 has finally been released:

	http://pypi.python.org/pypi/appscript

Enjoy,

has

From rans at email.com  Sun Feb  6 19:01:18 2011
From: rans at email.com (Michael Rans)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:01:18 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing modules with py2app
Message-ID: <919857.40180.qm@web25905.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Try putting env={} in subprocess

For MacOS (and probably Linux if it were running through Freeze or the like), 
you need to pass env as an empty dict. For Windows and py2exe, you pass env as 
None.


I don't know if this post will get through as I'm not intending to subscribe to 
this list, but I thought I'd try sending an answer as I came across your post.

Cheers,
Mike

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Mier, Alejandro <alej... at ti.com
> wrote:


> Hello
>
> I have a script that installs Python, and then installs some modules with:
>
> subprocess.call("python setup.py install")
>
> The script works on Windows with py2exe, but gives me this error when using
> py2app:
>
> File setup.py
>    from distutils.core import setup
> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
>
> I tried explicitly including distutils when building the .app bundle, with
> python setup.py py2app --packages distutils (and several variations of
> --includes), but then I get this error:
>
> error: invalid command 'install'
>
> What do I need to do to make this work on mac?
>
> Thanks!
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From kestrel.andre at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 20:03:04 2011
From: kestrel.andre at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Renault?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:03:04 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [ann] py-appscript 1.0.0 final release
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Hooray!

On 2011-02-06, at 1:56 PM, has <hengist.podd at virgin.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just to let you know that Python appscript 1.0.0 has finally been released:
> 
>    http://pypi.python.org/pypi/appscript
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> has
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From nad at acm.org  Mon Feb  7 00:43:31 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:43:31 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [ann] py-appscript 1.0.0 final release
References: <AANLkTikgq+A6PDX4q-s6yY+rhmb+ebF9NaFFN-tkvLNC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA6A1C14-40FD-41C2-976B-BB02340AF043@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nad-4636EC.15433106022011@news.gmane.org>

In article <AA6A1C14-40FD-41C2-976B-BB02340AF043 at gmail.com>,
 Andre Renault <kestrel.andre at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-02-06, at 1:56 PM, has <hengist.podd at virgin.net> wrote:
>>Just to let you know that Python appscript 1.0.0 has
>>finally been released: 
>>   http://pypi.python.org/pypi/appscript
> Hooray!

+1.0.0 !

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From cohar at conncoll.edu  Mon Feb  7 01:26:41 2011
From: cohar at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [ann] py-appscript 1.0.0 final release
In-Reply-To: <nad-4636EC.15433106022011@news.gmane.org>
References: <AANLkTikgq+A6PDX4q-s6yY+rhmb+ebF9NaFFN-tkvLNC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA6A1C14-40FD-41C2-976B-BB02340AF043@gmail.com>
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Mazel tov!
How long have you been at this, has?  It's a massive project & a massive
service.

Charles Hartman

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Ned Deily <nad at acm.org> wrote:

> In article <AA6A1C14-40FD-41C2-976B-BB02340AF043 at gmail.com>,
>  Andre Renault <kestrel.andre at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2011-02-06, at 1:56 PM, has <hengist.podd at virgin.net> wrote:
> >>Just to let you know that Python appscript 1.0.0 has
> >>finally been released:
> >>   http://pypi.python.org/pypi/appscript
> > Hooray!
>
> +1.0.0 !
>
> --
>  Ned Deily,
>  nad at acm.org
>
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From brendan.simon at etrix.com.au  Tue Feb  8 12:55:14 2011
From: brendan.simon at etrix.com.au (Brendan Simon (eTRIX))
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:55:14 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] C++ ABI 1002/102 incompatibility with wxPython
In-Reply-To: <4D4E6E39.70808@etrix.com.au>
References: <4D3E95F8.5000101@etrix.com.au> <4D3F0301.3030209@noaa.gov>
	<4D4E6E39.70808@etrix.com.au>
Message-ID: <4D512F22.6090701@etrix.com.au>

I'm still stuck on this.  Has anyone got any suggestions to help solve
the ABI compatibility issue with wx ??

I think it's something to do with building on 10.6 Intel, and trying to
run on 10.4 PPC.  It seems to work ok when run on 10.4 Intel.

My 10.4 Intel box has Apple python 2.3.1 (/usr/bin/python) and wx
2.5.3.1 installed, and python.org 2.5.1 (/usr/local/bin/python) and wx
2.8 (i think).

My 10.4 PPC box has Apple python 2.3.1 (/usr/bin/python) and wx 2.5.3.1
installed.

It really shouldn't matter what I have installed if py2app is truly
packaging up all libraries and dependencies (assuming they are universal
builds).

Thanks, Brendan.


On 6/02/11 8:47 PM, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
> On 26/01/11 4:06 AM, Christopher Barker wrote:
>> On 1/25/11 1:20 AM, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
>>> I have a wxPython app that is built with py2app. A user recently
>>> reported the following error when trying to run the app.
>>>
>>>     Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions
>>>     detected.
>>>     The library used 2.8 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx
>>>     containers,compatible with 2.6),
>>>     and your program used 2.8 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI
>>>     102,wx containers,compatible with 2.6).
>>>     Abort trap
>>>     logout
> 
> As others have informed me, the C++ ABI changed from gcc-3.3 to gcc-3.4
> (and beyond).
> 
>> Meanwhile a couple questions/thoughts:
>>
>>  > It appears to be a difference in the wx libraries on the target system
>>> and the wx libraries on the build system.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, at this stage, I do not know what the OS X version is on
>>> the target system.
>>>
>>> The app was built using Python 2.5.4, (wxPython 2.8.11.0 or 2.8.4.2 ??)
>>> on OS X 10.6.6.
>>
>> Is that the "apple's" python? i.e. the one in:
>>
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5
>>
>> If so, that is likely your problem. py2app does not bundle up everything
>> if you're using Apple's python, so your python install and your users
>> may be different.
> 
> 
> It's not Apple's python.  It is 2.5.4 from Python.org.
> 
> 
>>> Is there anyway to fix this with a py2app setting ??
>>
>> not until we figure out what's wrong...
>>
>>> Doesn't py2app copy all the libraries to the app bundle ??
>>
>> it should, but it won't if you are using Apple's python, and sometimes
>> things go wrong. wxPython puts itself in /usr/local/, while putting
>> nifty sys.path manipulations in the python installs, so things can get a
>> bit confused. But it's done so that one installer can support both
>> python,org and apple pythons.
>>
>>> I guess that
>>> doesn't guarantee that the libraries will load on any OS.
>>
>> no, it doesn't, but it should load on any version that your supporting
>> libs are built for -- the standard wxPython installers are built for
>> 10.4 and above (maybe 10.3.9 --not sure about that), and so is the
>> python,org python -- are you using any other third-party libs that
>> aren't pure python?
> 
> 
> I have more info now.  The app is being run on a PPC Mac with 10.4.11
> (Tiger).  Tiger should be fine in terms of ABI compatibility for
> wxPython and Python.
> 
> I now have a 10.4.11 PowerPC Mac and can replicate the problem, though
> it was a 10.2 (Jaguar) system that I upgraded to 10.4 (Tiger).  i.e.
> it's not a fresh install of Tiger.
> 
> $ file /Applications/MyApp.app/Contents/MyApp
> MyApp: Mach-O fat file with 2 architectures
> MyApp (for architecture ppc):    Mach-O executable ppc
> MyApp (for architecture i386):   Mach-O executable i386
> 
> $ /Applications/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp
> Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions
> detected.
> The library used 2.8 (debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx
> containers,compatible with 2.6)
> and wxPython used 2.8 (debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx
> containers,compatible with 2.6)
> Abort
> 
> $ /Applications/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/python
> Could not find platform independent libraries <exec_prefix>
> Consider setting $PYTHONPATH to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27)
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
> 
>>>> import sys
>>>> for l in sys.path: print l
> ...
> 
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python25.zip
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-darwin
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac/lib-scriptpackages
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-tk
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/lib-dynload
>>>>
> 
> $ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/
> $
> 
> No output from above command, but it shouldn't matter right, as all
> libraries should be in the app bundle, right ??
> 
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From cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu  Tue Feb  8 22:48:51 2011
From: cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu (Chris Weisiger)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:48:51 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Cannot import name PyPIRCCommand
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZ-N1DOxL5vzTYFP5oFXO9QaGd33adwROxE51A@mail.gmail.com>

This is really bizarre. I have a Python program that I've built many times
successfully in the past. Now I'm getting this error when I try to build it.
Nothing in the program itself has changed since I last built it
successfully, and I'm fairly confident that I haven't changed my Python
install either, so I have no idea why the build process would be different
now. Here's the full traceback:

% /usr/local/bin/python2.5 setup.py py2app
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 18, in <module>
    setup_requires=['py2app'],
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/distutils/core.py",
line 112, in setup
    _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
line 260, in __init__
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
line 284, in fetch_build_eggs
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
line 563, in resolve
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
line 799, in best_match
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
line 811, in obtain
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
line 327, in fetch_build_egg
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 446, in easy_install
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 476, in install_item
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 655, in install_eggs
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 930, in build_and_install
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 919, in run_setup
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
line 62, in run_setup
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
line 105, in run
  File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
line 64, in <lambda>
  File "setup.py", line 12, in <module>
    OPTIONS = {}
ImportError: cannot import name PyPIRCCommand


I'm not able to cd into the egg to examine its contents, sadly, so I can't
figure out what exactly it's trying to do. Has anyone seen an error like
this before?

-Chris
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From cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu  Tue Feb  8 23:24:59 2011
From: cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu (Chris Weisiger)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:24:59 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Cannot import name PyPIRCCommand
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZ-N1DOxL5vzTYFP5oFXO9QaGd33adwROxE51A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZ-N1DOxL5vzTYFP5oFXO9QaGd33adwROxE51A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1rCXjJu+t0k1hqygZ7f0PKfYXp4u9WQLyZYjE@mail.gmail.com>

On further investigation, presumably what has changed is that one of the
dependencies that is automatically downloaded by setup.py / py2app now
doesn't work properly. I didn't include those in the previous paste, but on
cleaning my directory and then rebuilding, I see that the build fails when
trying to process altgraph 0.7.2 from
http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/a/altgraph/altgraph-0.7.2.tar.gz#md5=effd9f891355ae9bc243a848f6c3a519

Is there some way to specify the desired version to download? I see that
altgraph was last updated January 31st. altgraph 0.7.0, which was released
in January 2010, should work just fine if I can figure out how to tell
py2app to use it instead.

-Chris

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Chris Weisiger <cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu>wrote:

> This is really bizarre. I have a Python program that I've built many times
> successfully in the past. Now I'm getting this error when I try to build it.
> Nothing in the program itself has changed since I last built it
> successfully, and I'm fairly confident that I haven't changed my Python
> install either, so I have no idea why the build process would be different
> now. Here's the full traceback:
>
> % /usr/local/bin/python2.5 setup.py py2app
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "setup.py", line 18, in <module>
>     setup_requires=['py2app'],
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/distutils/core.py",
> line 112, in setup
>     _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
> line 260, in __init__
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
> line 284, in fetch_build_eggs
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
> line 563, in resolve
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
> line 799, in best_match
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
> line 811, in obtain
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
> line 327, in fetch_build_egg
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 446, in easy_install
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 476, in install_item
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 655, in install_eggs
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 930, in build_and_install
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 919, in run_setup
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
> line 62, in run_setup
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
> line 105, in run
>   File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
> line 64, in <lambda>
>   File "setup.py", line 12, in <module>
>     OPTIONS = {}
> ImportError: cannot import name PyPIRCCommand
>
>
> I'm not able to cd into the egg to examine its contents, sadly, so I can't
> figure out what exactly it's trying to do. Has anyone seen an error like
> this before?
>
> -Chris
>
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From cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu  Wed Feb  9 18:25:22 2011
From: cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu (Chris Weisiger)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:25:22 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Cannot import name PyPIRCCommand
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1rCXjJu+t0k1hqygZ7f0PKfYXp4u9WQLyZYjE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZ-N1DOxL5vzTYFP5oFXO9QaGd33adwROxE51A@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin1rCXjJu+t0k1hqygZ7f0PKfYXp4u9WQLyZYjE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=SdV5WhDMLKw-WMzm9cP6R4PrnDRnHiJoaJxD0@mail.gmail.com>

I get a working app if I build with Python 2.6, so apparently something that
altgraph changed has broken compatibility with 2.5, somehow. Unfortunately
this doesn't completely fix my problem, as I have another app I need to be
able to build that only works with Python 2.5.

-Chris

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Chris Weisiger <cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu>wrote:

> On further investigation, presumably what has changed is that one of the
> dependencies that is automatically downloaded by setup.py / py2app now
> doesn't work properly. I didn't include those in the previous paste, but on
> cleaning my directory and then rebuilding, I see that the build fails when
> trying to process altgraph 0.7.2 from
> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/a/altgraph/altgraph-0.7.2.tar.gz#md5=effd9f891355ae9bc243a848f6c3a519
>
> Is there some way to specify the desired version to download? I see that
> altgraph was last updated January 31st. altgraph 0.7.0, which was released
> in January 2010, should work just fine if I can figure out how to tell
> py2app to use it instead.
>
> -Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Chris Weisiger <cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu>wrote:
>
>> This is really bizarre. I have a Python program that I've built many times
>> successfully in the past. Now I'm getting this error when I try to build it.
>> Nothing in the program itself has changed since I last built it
>> successfully, and I'm fairly confident that I haven't changed my Python
>> install either, so I have no idea why the build process would be different
>> now. Here's the full traceback:
>>
>> % /usr/local/bin/python2.5 setup.py py2app
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "setup.py", line 18, in <module>
>>     setup_requires=['py2app'],
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/distutils/core.py",
>> line 112, in setup
>>     _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>> line 260, in __init__
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>> line 284, in fetch_build_eggs
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
>> line 563, in resolve
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
>> line 799, in best_match
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",
>> line 811, in obtain
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>> line 327, in fetch_build_egg
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 446, in easy_install
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 476, in install_item
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 655, in install_eggs
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 930, in build_and_install
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 919, in run_setup
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>> line 62, in run_setup
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>> line 105, in run
>>   File
>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.5.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>> line 64, in <lambda>
>>   File "setup.py", line 12, in <module>
>>     OPTIONS = {}
>> ImportError: cannot import name PyPIRCCommand
>>
>>
>> I'm not able to cd into the egg to examine its contents, sadly, so I can't
>> figure out what exactly it's trying to do. Has anyone seen an error like
>> this before?
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>
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From animator333 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 08:45:14 2011
From: animator333 at yahoo.com (Prashant Saxena)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:15:14 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac and Python (absolute begineer)
Message-ID: <737690.44432.qm@web94910.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I am new on Mac platform, have some patience with me. 

Leopard Intel 10.5.5
XCode 3.1.4

I am using Mac to port a python application developed on Linux and finally 
create a 

deployment package. On linux, app is using python 2.6.6 and wxpython 2.8.10.1.

On Mac 10.5.5 default python is 2.5.1 and wxPython is 2.8.4.x.

Q. How do I install python 2.6.6 on Mac? There is a build available on 
python.org.(python-2.6.6-macosx10.3.dmg). Is it OK if I download and install the 
.dmg file directly?
Is it going to make 2.6.6 default one automatically or there are some post 
installation settings required?

Q. I don't know if it's a universal build (python-2.6.6-macosx10.3.dmg) or not.
As per py2app docs, make  sure that you use a universal build of python to make 
your app
compatible for PPC and Intel. If above mentioned version is not universal then 
how do I get
a universal build of python? Do I have to compile on Mac?

If above is solved then installing wxpython is straight forward and build is 
compatible for both
(ppc and i686) architecture.

Q. In case you are building C-Extensions for python using cython or swig or 
anything else, how do you
make sure that extension are universal and will run on both (ppc and i686) 
platform?

Q. If a package is deployed on 10.5.5, is it going to work on minor version such 
as 10.5.1 or even 10.4.x?

I may have asked things in an inappropriate way as I don't know much about Mac 
platform.
accept my apologies in advance.

Cheers

Prashant




From kw at codebykevin.com  Thu Feb 10 15:49:15 2011
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:49:15 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac and Python (absolute begineer)
In-Reply-To: <737690.44432.qm@web94910.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <737690.44432.qm@web94910.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D53FAEB.4050909@codebykevin.com>

Hi Prashant,

Welcome to the Mac!  Please see some answers below:

> Q. How do I install python 2.6.6 on Mac? There is a build available on
> python.org.(python-2.6.6-macosx10.3.dmg). Is it OK if I download and install the
> .dmg file directly?
> Is it going to make 2.6.6 default one automatically or there are some post
> installation settings required?

The installer will update your ~/.profile to place the build of Python 
on your $PATH.

>
> Q. I don't know if it's a universal build (python-2.6.6-macosx10.3.dmg) or not.

It is universal.

> As per py2app docs, make  sure that you use a universal build of python to make
> your app
> compatible for PPC and Intel. If above mentioned version is not universal then
> how do I get
> a universal build of python? Do I have to compile on Mac?

Compiling is not hard, but the installer should do the trick for you.
>
> If above is solved then installing wxpython is straight forward and build is
> compatible for both
> (ppc and i686) architecture.

Yes, wxPython does a good job of providing binary installers for the Mac.

>
> Q. In case you are building C-Extensions for python using cython or swig or
> anything else, how do you
> make sure that extension are universal and will run on both (ppc and i686)
> platform?

I'm not sure about Cython or Swig, but extensions build with distutils 
pick up the settings of your Python installation and should do the right 
thing.

>
> Q. If a package is deployed on 10.5.5, is it going to work on minor version such
> as 10.5.1 or even 10.4.x?

A package built on 10.5.x should run fine on 10.5.x. Backwards 
compatibility (building on 10.5, running on 10.4) can be done but is a 
bit tricky. Others on the list can help with that.

Good luck!

Kevin

-- 
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Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Feb 10 16:35:03 2011
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:35:03 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac and Python (absolute begineer)
In-Reply-To: <4D53FAEB.4050909@codebykevin.com>
References: <737690.44432.qm@web94910.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
	<4D53FAEB.4050909@codebykevin.com>
Message-ID: <4D5405A7.6050400@noaa.gov>

On 2/10/11 6:49 AM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> I'm not sure about Cython or Swig, but extensions build with distutils
> pick up the settings of your Python installation and should do the right
> thing.

They both produce C code, how you compile them is up to you -- they also 
both have confusing directions about that on some sites -- so make sure 
to use ditutils to build -- i.e. write a  "setup.py". That's the best 
way to do it on other platfroms anyway.

-Chris



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From christian at prinoth.name  Fri Feb 11 12:22:38 2011
From: christian at prinoth.name (Christian Prinoth)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:22:38 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript and Office 2011, not working?
Message-ID: <AANLkTincot2zL0C86CxJKOT2TPGL51R0wBixjNSNv1Ac@mail.gmail.com>

Just upgraded to Office 2011, and it appears appscript is not working
correctly with Excel 2011.

If I do the following:

> app(u'/Applications/Microsoft Office 2011/Microsoft
> Excel').ranges[u'B2'].value()


I get:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
AttributeError                            Traceback (most recent call last)
/Users/c.prinoth/<ipython console> in <module>()
/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/appscript-1.0.0-py2.6-macosx-10.6-universal.egg/appscript/reference.pyc
in __getitem__(self, selector)
    587         def __getitem__(self, selector):
    588                 if isinstance(selector, basestring): # by-name
--> 589                         return Reference(self.AS_appdata,
self.AS_aemreference.byname(selector))
    590                 elif isinstance(selector, (GenericReference,
Reference, Test)): # by-test
    591                         if isinstance(selector, GenericReference):
AttributeError: 'Property' object has no attribute 'byname'

while issuing the corresponding command in Applescript editor works
perfectly:

*
*

*tell* *application* "Microsoft Excel"

*get* value *of* *range* "B2"

 --> "seweqwe"

*end tell*

*Result:*

"seweqwe"
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From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Sun Feb 13 19:12:32 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:32 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript and Office 2011, not working?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAEhSbOyHq1FGmpwjWmAYyAEuVme7xXAZZ5aO0@mail.gmail.com>

Christian Prinoth wrote:

> Just upgraded to Office 2011, and it appears appscript is not working
> correctly with Excel 2011.
>
> If I do the following:
>
> app(u'/Applications/Microsoft Office 2011/Microsoft
> Excel').ranges[u'B2'].value()
>
> I get:
>
> AttributeError: 'Property' object has no attribute 'byname'
>
> while issuing the corresponding command in Applescript editor works
> perfectly:

Wild guess: Excel's dictionary defines both a 'ranges' property and a
'range' class (plural 'ranges'). AppleScript can just about deal with
that sort of ambiguity as the compiler can determine from context if a
'ranges' keyword is being used as a property name or element name.
Appscript doesn't have that luxury, so has to favour one
interpretation or the other; in this case, the former. If you need it
to go the other way, you'll need to drop down to the aem API
(equivalent to using chevron syntax in AS); something like:

app('Microsoft Excel').AS_newreference(aem.app.elements('xxxx'))['B2'].value()

You'll need to use ASDictionary to export the Excel dictionary as
plain text in order to look up the correct four-char code to use in
the aem reference.

I won't bother suggesting you file a bug report on Excel - feel free
to do so, but I don't imagine the developers will want to change
anything as long as it's working in AS (no small achievement itself).
It's not really their fault anyway: Apple have never provided an
adequate spec for application developers to follow, never mind
validation tools to check their application dictionaries are formally
correct. So the best that any application developer can realistically
do is test that their app works okay with AS, as that's the de facto
standard. Appscript tries to be quirk-for-quirk compatible with AS to
minimize these sorts of compatibility problems, but there are limits
to what it can reasonably achieve and sometimes you just have to fall
back to the lower-level APIs to deal with such issues.

HTH

has

From i at yaofur.com  Tue Feb 15 11:34:27 2011
From: i at yaofur.com (Fur Yao)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:34:27 +0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with PyObjC memory usage ~
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJVFkFEWg_qCevASh7zD_GfzrqEcDdtmZOGzPk@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Everyone~

I have develop a soft using Python to do something.

So create a header .h and implement it with Python.

Then I use  Py_Initialize and PyRun_SimpleFile
    to load the necessary module by running 'main.py'.

It works fine.  But I found it will couse a lot of memory usage( without
Python about 20M and with Python it goes up to 50M or higher).

I want to know how to release the unnecessary memory usage~

Or I have to rewrite all the python code to Objective-C~

And another question , if I use PyObjC in my project. Should I open my
source?

And if I open my source , can I sell my own opensource soft in AppStore. If
so , which license should I use?

Thanks for your help , and forgive me pool English.


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From hsoft at hardcoded.net  Tue Feb 15 11:54:51 2011
From: hsoft at hardcoded.net (Virgil Dupras)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:54:51 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with PyObjC memory usage ~
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimJVFkFEWg_qCevASh7zD_GfzrqEcDdtmZOGzPk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimJVFkFEWg_qCevASh7zD_GfzrqEcDdtmZOGzPk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2751BE8-F33F-4E1D-B79C-E16A4FA6B2C3@hardcoded.net>


On 2011-02-15, at 11:34 AM, Fur Yao wrote:

> 
> It works fine.  But I found it will couse a lot of memory usage( without Python about 20M and with Python it goes up to 50M or higher).
> 
> I want to know how to release the unnecessary memory usage~

When importing modules like "Foundation" or "Appkit" in Python, big files with metadata are loaded up. As long as you import those modules, you'll get this high memory usage. Addressing this problem is on PyObjC's roadmap, but its maintainer, Ronald, is pretty much the only one working on it, so development is slow.

If you want to reduce memory usage, you might have to convert a part of your code to Objective-C, yes. I wrote an article about that a while ago: http://www.hardcoded.net/articles/embedded-pyobjc.htm

> Or I have to rewrite all the python code to Objective-C~
> 
> And another question , if I use PyObjC in my project. Should I open my source?
> 

No, it's licensed under MIT.

Virgil

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 15 13:32:11 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:32:11 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] gtk/pygtk + py2app recipe
In-Reply-To: <4D4C4991.9040907@nagafix.co.uk>
References: <4D4C4991.9040907@nagafix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <314F9BCB-F07B-4B35-BB15-F2A02043C3F8@mac.com>


On 4 Feb, 2011, at 19:46, Antoine Martin wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've seen a number of questions about how to bundle pygtk applications
> using py2app (*) and I've also spent a fair amount of time figuring
> things out so I thought I would share my findings here. Especially since
> there are no recipes for it built-in, no pygtk specific info on the
> py2app website, and I could not find much through googling either.

AFAIK nobody has written py2app recipies for gtk. If someone does write a recipe I'd be happy to include it (preferably the recipe would be accompanied by a small example that will allow me to test if the recipe still works after updates).

Ronald


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 15 13:37:31 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:37:31 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with PyObjC memory usage ~
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimJVFkFEWg_qCevASh7zD_GfzrqEcDdtmZOGzPk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimJVFkFEWg_qCevASh7zD_GfzrqEcDdtmZOGzPk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <997292B7-F654-42FB-8C7A-5AD30A385405@mac.com>


On 15 Feb, 2011, at 11:34, Fur Yao wrote:

> Hi, Everyone~
> 
> I have develop a soft using Python to do something.
> 
> So create a header .h and implement it with Python.
> 
> Then I use  Py_Initialize and PyRun_SimpleFile 
>  to load the necessary module by running 'main.py'.
> 
> It works fine.  But I found it will couse a lot of memory usage( without Python about 20M and with Python it goes up to 50M or higher).

Looking into PyObjC memory usage is on my todolist, but I haven't gotten around to doing the work.

> 
> I want to know how to release the unnecessary memory usage~
> 
> Or I have to rewrite all the python code to Objective-C~

Is the memory use bothering you? 

> 
> And another question , if I use PyObjC in my project. Should I open my source?

No. PyObjC is released with the MIT license and that allows you to use it in closed source software. 

> 
> And if I open my source , can I sell my own opensource soft in AppStore. If so , which license should I use?

I'm not a lawyer and haven't studied the AppStore requirements, but as long as you own the copyright on the application itself you can  relicense your code as much as you want and hence sell it on the AppStore.  I'd be carefull w.r.t. including (L)GPL-ed code in your application though, the iOS appstore requirements are incompatible with that license and I'd be surprised if the OSX appstore were any different.

Ronald
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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 15 14:12:17 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:12:17 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with PyObjC memory usage ~
In-Reply-To: <F2751BE8-F33F-4E1D-B79C-E16A4FA6B2C3@hardcoded.net>
References: <AANLkTimJVFkFEWg_qCevASh7zD_GfzrqEcDdtmZOGzPk@mail.gmail.com>
	<F2751BE8-F33F-4E1D-B79C-E16A4FA6B2C3@hardcoded.net>
Message-ID: <07A5ADE5-ACA0-452D-9187-A668CAEB5A77@mac.com>


On 15 Feb, 2011, at 11:54, Virgil Dupras wrote:

> 
> On 2011-02-15, at 11:34 AM, Fur Yao wrote:
> 
>> 
>> It works fine.  But I found it will couse a lot of memory usage( without Python about 20M and with Python it goes up to 50M or higher).
>> 
>> I want to know how to release the unnecessary memory usage~
> 
> When importing modules like "Foundation" or "Appkit" in Python, big files with metadata are loaded up. As long as you import those modules, you'll get this high memory usage. Addressing this problem is on PyObjC's roadmap, but its maintainer, Ronald, is pretty much the only one working on it, so development is slow.

To be clear: "pretty much the only one" means that I'm the only one working on PyObjC except for some contributed bugfixes (mostly be Virgil in the last year).

Researching and (hopefully) fixing the memory usage of PyObjC requires several days of work, which I just don't have at the moment. I do almost all my work on PyObjC in my not very copious free time, and that means progress is slow and I tend to prefer to work on more interesting things that this issue.

Ronald


From animator333 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 16 14:19:18 2011
From: animator333 at yahoo.com (Prashant Saxena)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:49:18 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app -> .app size is too big
Message-ID: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Leopard 10.5.5 Intel
XCode 3.1.4
Python 2.6.6 universal
wxpython 2.8.11.0 universal

After installing py2app using "python setup.py install", I created an .app of 
default wxpython's example name "supperdoodle".
The resulting superdoodle.app is around 48.5 MB. Am I missing something in 
setup.py or this is normal size for wxpython based applications?

Cheers


Prashant



From cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu  Wed Feb 16 16:59:35 2011
From: cweisiger at msg.ucsf.edu (Chris Weisiger)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:59:35 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app -> .app size is too big
In-Reply-To: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Joz2MZF5d89QhSy0HX1P_FxdhGPKN+FYbebBq@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds about right. Remember that your app also includes the Python
interpreter and a whole bunch of support libraries. Even simple apps are not
very small. One of the prices you pay for using Python.

-Chris

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Prashant Saxena <animator333 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Leopard 10.5.5 Intel
> XCode 3.1.4
> Python 2.6.6 universal
> wxpython 2.8.11.0 universal
>
> After installing py2app using "python setup.py install", I created an .app
> of
> default wxpython's example name "supperdoodle".
> The resulting superdoodle.app is around 48.5 MB. Am I missing something in
> setup.py or this is normal size for wxpython based applications?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Prashant
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hraban at fiee.net  Wed Feb 16 16:40:41 2011
From: hraban at fiee.net (Henning Hraban Ramm)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:40:41 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app -> .app size is too big
In-Reply-To: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4260F986-AD65-4C73-8249-5714D2CF44E0@fiee.net>

Am 2011-02-16 um 14:19 schrieb Prashant Saxena:

> After installing py2app using "python setup.py install", I created  
> an .app of
> default wxpython's example name "supperdoodle".
> The resulting superdoodle.app is around 48.5 MB. Am I missing  
> something in
> setup.py or this is normal size for wxpython based applications?

That's (unfortunately) completely normal.


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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Feb 16 17:46:06 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:46:06 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app -> .app size is too big
In-Reply-To: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110216164605.GB4945@panix.com>

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011, Prashant Saxena wrote:
>
> Leopard 10.5.5 Intel
> XCode 3.1.4
> Python 2.6.6 universal
> wxpython 2.8.11.0 universal
> 
> After installing py2app using "python setup.py install", I created an .app of 
> default wxpython's example name "supperdoodle".
> The resulting superdoodle.app is around 48.5 MB. Am I missing something in 
> setup.py or this is normal size for wxpython based applications?

wxpython by itself probably accounts for about 10MB.  You should be able
to compress that down to around 15MB if you're distributing an installer
package.
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"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Feb 16 18:21:03 2011
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:21:03 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app -> .app size is too big
In-Reply-To: <20110216164605.GB4945@panix.com>
References: <76465.11467.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
	<20110216164605.GB4945@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4D5C077F.3020101@noaa.gov>

On 2/16/11 8:46 AM, Aahz wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011, Prashant Saxena wrote:

>> After installing py2app using "python setup.py install", I created an .app of
>> default wxpython's example name "superdoodle".
>> The resulting superdoodle.app is around 48.5 MB.

> wxpython by itself probably accounts for about 10MB.  You should be able
> to compress that down to around 15MB if you're distributing an installer
> package.

Actually, wxPython is really big, and with the universal build, it's 
twice as big.

On my system (Python 2.6 Universal):

minimal python app  : 9.1MB
minimal wxPython app: 43MB

But the wxPython one does compress down to 17MB

wxPython is so big because it has all of the wx C++ libs, plus all the 
wrapper code to access it. It is unfortunately pretty monolithic, so 
it's very hard to bring in just what you need. But disk space is cheap 
these days.

-Chris


-- 
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Oceanographer

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From estartu at augusta.de  Thu Feb 17 11:05:09 2011
From: estartu at augusta.de (Gerhard Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:05:09 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
Message-ID: <4D5CF2D5.8040107@augusta.de>

Hi,

i try to genrate an app from a wxPython project.

Generation the App runs without an error. But when i try to start the
App it terminates.

The logs show that import wx doesn't work.

What am i missing.

Regards
    Gerhard
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From christian at prinoth.name  Thu Feb 17 11:41:31 2011
From: christian at prinoth.name (Christian Prinoth)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:41:31 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript and Office 2011, not working?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=1ApgCvx_m0iHDRSGhmrMSes6WvzUO5oZEG2eQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has,
 thanks for your reply. I have tried doing what you suggest. the four char
code for the range object is X117, so I did the following:

app('Microsoft
Excel').AS_newreference(aem.app.elements('X117'))['A1'].value()

and this works fine in both Excel 2008 and Excel 2011. My problem is that
this way I can only reference a range in the currently active worksheet.
Using standard appscript syntax I would do the following:

app('Microsoft Excel').worksheets['Sheet1'].ranges['A1'].value()

to access data on a specific cell on a specific worksheet. How do I do that
with the AEM syntax you suggested?

I tried something along the lines of:

ws.AS_newreference(aem.app.elements('X117'))[address]

which won't work since a reference to a worksheet object does not have
the AS_newreference method. Tried playing a bit with AS_aemreference but I
am not getting how this is supposed to work.

Thanks
Christian



> Wild guess: Excel's dictionary defines both a 'ranges' property and a
> 'range' class (plural 'ranges'). AppleScript can just about deal with
> that sort of ambiguity as the compiler can determine from context if a
> 'ranges' keyword is being used as a property name or element name.
> Appscript doesn't have that luxury, so has to favour one
> interpretation or the other; in this case, the former. If you need it
> to go the other way, you'll need to drop down to the aem API
> (equivalent to using chevron syntax in AS); something like:
>
> app('Microsoft
> Excel').AS_newreference(aem.app.elements('xxxx'))['B2'].value()
>
> You'll need to use ASDictionary to export the Excel dictionary as
> plain text in order to look up the correct four-char code to use in
> the aem reference.
>
>
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From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Thu Feb 17 13:34:02 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:34:02 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript and Office 2011, not working?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimy3FADtnP_gR+cqfFd16GFOZ1xt=uL0u-N9ZP4@mail.gmail.com>

Christian Prinoth wrote:

> My problem is that this way I can only reference a range in the currently active worksheet.
> Using standard appscript syntax I would do the following:
>
> app('Microsoft Excel').worksheets['Sheet1'].ranges['A1'].value()
>
> to access data on a specific cell on a specific worksheet. How do I do that
> with the AEM syntax you suggested?

	excel = app('Microsoft Excel')
	ws = excel.worksheets['Sheet1']
	excel.AS_newreference(ws.AS_aemreference.elements('X117'))[address]

HTH

has

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Feb 17 18:12:36 2011
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:12:36 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <4D5CF2D5.8040107@augusta.de>
References: <4D5CF2D5.8040107@augusta.de>
Message-ID: <4D5D5704.8070803@noaa.gov>

On 2/17/11 2:05 AM, Gerhard Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i try to generate an app from a wxPython project.
>
> Generation the App runs without an error. But when i try to start the
> App it terminates.

versions of python (and which binary install), py2app, wxPython, OS-X ?

> The logs show that import wx doesn't work.

can you build a really, really simple wx app? (see enclosed)

> What am i missing.

I'm not sure, but you do have something extra:

                          CFBundleIdentifier         = 
"com.acf.vereinsverwaltung",
                          )
           ,'packages':      'wx'

you don't need to specify the wx package -- if there is an "import wx" 
in your code, py2app will find it.


           ,'site_packages': True

And I don't remember what this does -- try taking it out and see what 
you get.

-Chris


-- 
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Oceanographer

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From christian at prinoth.name  Fri Feb 18 16:34:11 2011
From: christian at prinoth.name (Christian Prinoth)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:34:11 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript and Office 2011, not working? (has)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinvE-pLeUu1j-tPuRS7rcOMZZF3GmpnaBAbXWSd@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, works great now!


>        excel = app('Microsoft Excel')
>        ws = excel.worksheets['Sheet1']
>        excel.AS_newreference(ws.AS_aemreference.elements('X117'))[address]
>
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From animator333 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 12:22:22 2011
From: animator333 at yahoo.com (Prashant Saxena)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:52:22 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app and module finding
Message-ID: <213358.18737.qm@web94916.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

It's related to my previous post regarding .app bundle size produce by py2app. 
When I looked inside the .app bundle,
It gives me some confusion:

1. I have a custom package name "core". There is directory structure inside 
filled with scripts. Some of the scripts are compiled
using cython. This give you three version of single script (.py, .pyc and .so). 
py2app is copying .so to .lib folder inside bundle as
well as it's also copying .py and .pyc inside "site-package/core". Why it's like 
that?

2. Not only python scripts but every thing under the folder is going inside the 
.app. It seems py2app is globing all the files  instead of required 
modules/scripts.

I am using a very simple setup.py. It's almost the same as 
examples/wxpython/2.5/superdoodle


Prashant




From brendan.simon at etrix.com.au  Sun Feb 20 23:11:26 2011
From: brendan.simon at etrix.com.au (Brendan Simon (eTRIX))
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:11:26 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <mailman.60.1298026802.18181.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.60.1298026802.18181.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <4D61918E.1010308@etrix.com.au>

On 18/02/2011 10:00 PM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
> Subject:
> Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
> From:
> Christopher Barker <Chris.Barker at noaa.gov>
> Date:
> Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:12:36 -0800
>
> To:
> pythonmac-sig at python.org
>
>
> On 2/17/11 2:05 AM, Gerhard Schmidt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i try to generate an app from a wxPython project.
>>
>> Generation the App runs without an error. But when i try to start the
>> App it terminates.
>
> versions of python (and which binary install), py2app, wxPython, OS-X ?
>
>> The logs show that import wx doesn't work.
>
> can you build a really, really simple wx app? (see enclosed)
>
>> What am i missing.
>
> I'm not sure, but you do have something extra:
>
>                          CFBundleIdentifier         = 
> "com.acf.vereinsverwaltung",
>                          )
>           ,'packages':      'wx'
>
> you don't need to specify the wx package -- if there is an "import wx" 
> in your code, py2app will find it.
>
>
>           ,'site_packages': True
>
> And I don't remember what this does -- try taking it out and see what 
> you get.
>
> -Chris

Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7 
requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.

Cheers, Brendan.

-- 
Brendan Simon
www.etrix.com.au

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From nad at acm.org  Mon Feb 21 00:46:05 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:46:05 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
References: <mailman.60.1298026802.18181.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<4D61918E.1010308@etrix.com.au>
Message-ID: <nad-B32DB9.15460520022011@news.gmane.org>

In article <4D61918E.1010308 at etrix.com.au>,
 "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" <brendan.simon at etrix.com.au> wrote:
> Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
> It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7 
> requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.

That sounds very suspicious.  On OS X installs, bin/python and 
bin/pythonw are supposed to be identical.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From dave at bcs.co.nz  Mon Feb 21 00:56:23 2011
From: dave at bcs.co.nz (David Brooks)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:56:23 +1300
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Allow multiple executables in a single py2app bundle
Message-ID: <4D61AA27.10107@bcs.co.nz>

Resending, as didn't make it to the list when sent on 18 February...


Hi,

The following patch enables the name of the stub executable to determine 
the Python script to run. This allows multiple scripts to use a common 
runtime.

Required manual steps are to make copies of the stub in ./MacOS and to 
copy the actual Python scripts into ./Resources.

N.B. The py2app/apptemplate/prebuilt contents need to be recreated by 
running 'python setup.py build' in py2app/apptemplate, before running 
the main 'setup.py install'.


Enjoy!

Dave

=================================================

diff --git a/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c b/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c
--- a/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c
+++ b/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c
@@ -1017,8 +1017,9 @@

      argv_new = alloca((argc + 1) * sizeof(char *));
      argv_new[argc] = NULL;
-    argv_new[0] = c_mainScript;
-    memcpy(&argv_new[1],&argv[1], (argc - 1) * sizeof(char *));
+    //argv_new[0] = c_mainScript;
+    //memcpy(&argv_new[1],&argv[1], (argc - 1) * sizeof(char *));
+    memcpy(argv_new, argv, argc * sizeof(char *));
      py2app_PySys_SetArgv(argc, argv_new);


diff --git a/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py b/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py
--- a/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py
+++ b/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
      site.addsitedir(os.path.join(base, 'Python', 'site-packages'))
      if not scripts:
          import __main__
-    for script in scripts:
-        path = os.path.join(base, script)
-        sys.argv[0] = __file__ = path
-        execfile(path, globals(), globals())
+    script = sys.argv[0].split('/')[-1] + '.py'
+    path = os.path.join(base, script)
+    sys.argv[0] = __file__ = path
+    execfile(path, globals(), globals())

=================================================



From brendan.simon at etrix.com.au  Mon Feb 21 12:33:38 2011
From: brendan.simon at etrix.com.au (Brendan Simon (eTRIX))
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:33:38 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <4D624D92.5070608@etrix.com.au>

On 21/02/11 10:00 PM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
> Subject:
> Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
> From:
> Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
> Date:
> Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:46:05 -0800
>
> To:
> pythonmac-sig at python.org
>
>
> In article <4D61918E.1010308 at etrix.com.au>,
>  "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" <brendan.simon at etrix.com.au> wrote:
>> > Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
>> > It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7 
>> > requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.
> That sounds very suspicious.  On OS X installs, bin/python and 
> bin/pythonw are supposed to be identical.
Indeed you are right.  The python and pythonw varieties are identical
for Python 2.7 and my wxPython application works fine with either.

I tried again with my Python 2.5.4 install and that does have the problem.

"pythonw myapp.py" works fine.

"python myapp.py" fails with the following error.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "myapp.py", line 18, in <module>
    import main as myMain
  File "/Users/brendan/src/main.py", line 19, in <module>
    from theapp import MyApp
  File "/Users/brendan/src/theapp.py", line 20, in <module>
    import wxAnyThread
ImportError: No module named wxAnyThread

It looks like it is just a path issue.  So it should be easy to solve,
but there is a difference in behaviour between python and pythonw with
Python 2.5.4, even though the binaries are identical.  I presume that
the the interpreter looks at the command that it is invoked with and
does something different with sys.path ??

Cheers, Brendan.

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From nad at acm.org  Mon Feb 21 13:00:31 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:00:31 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
References: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<4D624D92.5070608@etrix.com.au>
Message-ID: <nad-64B668.04003121022011@news.gmane.org>

In article <4D624D92.5070608 at etrix.com.au>,
 "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" <brendan.simon at etrix.com.au> wrote:
> I tried again with my Python 2.5.4 install and that does have the problem.
> 
> "pythonw myapp.py" works fine.
> 
> "python myapp.py" fails with the following error.
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "myapp.py", line 18, in <module>
>     import main as myMain
>   File "/Users/brendan/src/main.py", line 19, in <module>
>     from theapp import MyApp
>   File "/Users/brendan/src/theapp.py", line 20, in <module>
>     import wxAnyThread
> ImportError: No module named wxAnyThread
> 
> It looks like it is just a path issue.  So it should be easy to solve,
> but there is a difference in behaviour between python and pythonw with
> Python 2.5.4, even though the binaries are identical.  I presume that
> the the interpreter looks at the command that it is invoked with and
> does something different with sys.path ??

That still seems suspicious. If you are using Python 2.5.4 from the 
python.org installer, it also installs identical bin/python2.5 and 
bin/pythonw2.5 binaries, with bin/python and bin/pythonw as symlinks to 
the versioned names.  So all four names *should* behave identically, 
assuming all the names are being picked up from the framework bin 
directory, /Library/Frameworks/Python.frameworks/Versions/2.5/bin.  Make 
sure you are really using them:

  which pythonw
  which python

If necessary, you may need to specify absolute paths to the bin 
directory or temporarily change your shell PATH to ensure the 2.5 bin 
directory comes first (note, that Apple ships its own version of Python 
2.5, linked in /usr/bin, in both OS X 10.5 and 10.6).

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From bejarar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 20:38:01 2011
From: bejarar at gmail.com (Rafael Bejarano)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:38:01 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] The time module
Message-ID: <C937B19B-9FED-415F-85B1-4C2C86E151AA@gmail.com>

Hello,

I can't get the clock() function in the time module to work. I would  
appreciate any helpful suggestions.

Below is a copy of the Terminal session, for your perusal.

Thanks.
Rafael Bejarano

Last login: Mon Feb 21 13:02:48 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
173-216-77-254-arka:~ Rafael$ python
Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import time
 >>> clock()
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'clock' is not defined
 >>>












From listmail at gearyweb.com  Mon Feb 21 20:43:34 2011
From: listmail at gearyweb.com (Michael Geary)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:43:34 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] The time module
In-Reply-To: <C937B19B-9FED-415F-85B1-4C2C86E151AA@gmail.com>
References: <C937B19B-9FED-415F-85B1-4C2C86E151AA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEF30D9E-BC90-4D7A-A395-2484F6930FCF@gearyweb.com>

>>> import time
>>> time.clock()
0.059185000000000001


or:

>>> from time import clock
>>> clock()

best,

mg


On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I can't get the clock() function in the time module to work. I would appreciate any helpful suggestions.
> 
> Below is a copy of the Terminal session, for your perusal.
> 
> Thanks.
> Rafael Bejarano
> 
> Last login: Mon Feb 21 13:02:48 on ttyp1
> Welcome to Darwin!
> 173-216-77-254-arka:~ Rafael$ python
> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import time
> >>> clock()
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> NameError: name 'clock' is not defined
> >>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
> unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG


From nad at acm.org  Mon Feb 21 21:08:25 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:08:25 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] The time module
References: <C937B19B-9FED-415F-85B1-4C2C86E151AA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nad-20CEBD.12082521022011@news.gmane.org>

In article <C937B19B-9FED-415F-85B1-4C2C86E151AA at gmail.com>,
 Rafael Bejarano <bejarar at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't get the clock() function in the time module to work. I would  
> appreciate any helpful suggestions.
> 
> Below is a copy of the Terminal session, for your perusal.
> 
> Thanks.
> Rafael Bejarano
> 
> Last login: Mon Feb 21 13:02:48 on ttyp1
> Welcome to Darwin!
> 173-216-77-254-arka:~ Rafael$ python
> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>  >>> import time
>  >>> clock()
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> NameError: name 'clock' is not defined
>  >>>

Importing a module creates a new namespace for the names in that module.:

$ python3.2
Python 3.2 (r32:88452, Feb 20 2011, 11:12:31) 
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import time
>>> time.clock()
0.091744

You might want to review the Python tutorial here:
http://docs.python.org/py3k/tutorial/index.html

And, by the way, you should upgrade to Python 3.2 as soon as possible.  
Python 3.0.1 was a very early release of Python 3.  It is known to be 
buggy and is no longer supported.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 22 10:54:47 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:54:47 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app and module finding
In-Reply-To: <213358.18737.qm@web94916.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <213358.18737.qm@web94916.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0EDAD305-5A69-4328-A543-277BFF872478@mac.com>


On 19 Feb, 2011, at 12:22, Prashant Saxena wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It's related to my previous post regarding .app bundle size produce by py2app. 
> When I looked inside the .app bundle,
> It gives me some confusion:
> 
> 1. I have a custom package name "core". There is directory structure inside 
> filled with scripts. Some of the scripts are compiled
> using cython. This give you three version of single script (.py, .pyc and .so). 
> py2app is copying .so to .lib folder inside bundle as
> well as it's also copying .py and .pyc inside "site-package/core". Why it's like 
> that?

The .so is copied into lib-dynload, the .py/.pyc inside the zipfile are special loader scripts that will load the extension from lib-dynload. This is needed because extensions cannot be in the zipfile.

> 
> 2. Not only python scripts but every thing under the folder is going inside the 
> .app. It seems py2app is globing all the files  instead of required 
> modules/scripts.

py2app currently copies all data files in a python package directory. This is done because setuptools allows you to have such data, and without copying data files some python software don't work.

Why do you have files in your python package directory that aren't needed to run the software?

Ronald



From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 22 10:57:51 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:57:51 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <4D624D92.5070608@etrix.com.au>
References: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<4D624D92.5070608@etrix.com.au>
Message-ID: <714A4776-E0B0-458E-A519-F4A1E96766B5@mac.com>


On 21 Feb, 2011, at 12:33, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:

> On 21/02/11 10:00 PM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
>> From: Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:46:05 -0800
>> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
>> In article <4D61918E.1010308 at etrix.com.au>,
>>  "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" <brendan.simon at etrix.com.au> wrote:
>>> > Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
>>> > It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7 
>>> > requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.
>> That sounds very suspicious.  On OS X installs, bin/python and 
>> bin/pythonw are supposed to be identical.
> Indeed you are right.  The python and pythonw varieties are identical for Python 2.7 and my wxPython application works fine with either.
> 
> I tried again with my Python 2.5.4 install and that does have the problem.

Which python 2.5.4 is that (that is, how did you install it)? Are you sure that 'python' and 'pythonw' refer to the same python installation (what is sys.prefix for these two commands)?

Ronald

> 
> "pythonw myapp.py" works fine.
> 
> "python myapp.py" fails with the following error.
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "myapp.py", line 18, in <module>
>     import main as myMain
>   File "/Users/brendan/src/main.py", line 19, in <module>
>     from theapp import MyApp
>   File "/Users/brendan/src/theapp.py", line 20, in <module>
>     import wxAnyThread
> ImportError: No module named wxAnyThread
> 
> It looks like it is just a path issue.  So it should be easy to solve, but there is a difference in behaviour between python and pythonw with Python 2.5.4, even though the binaries are identical.  I presume that the the interpreter looks at the command that it is invoked with and does something different with sys.path ??
> 
> Cheers, Brendan.
> 
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From brendan.simon at etrix.com.au  Tue Feb 22 12:03:21 2011
From: brendan.simon at etrix.com.au (Brendan Simon (eTRIX))
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:03:21 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <714A4776-E0B0-458E-A519-F4A1E96766B5@mac.com>
References: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
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On 22/02/11 8:57 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> On 21 Feb, 2011, at 12:33, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
>
>> On 21/02/11 10:00 PM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
>>> From:
>>> Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
>>> Date:
>>> Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:46:05 -0800
>>>
>>> To:
>>> pythonmac-sig at python.org
>>>
>>>
>>> In article <4D61918E.1010308 at etrix.com.au>,
>>>  "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" <brendan.simon at etrix.com.au> wrote:
>>>> > Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
>>>> > It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7 
>>>> > requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.
>>> That sounds very suspicious.  On OS X installs, bin/python and 
>>> bin/pythonw are supposed to be identical.
>> Indeed you are right.  The python and pythonw varieties are identical
>> for Python 2.7 and my wxPython application works fine with either.
>>
>> I tried again with my Python 2.5.4 install and that does have the
>> problem.
>
> Which python 2.5.4 is that (that is, how did you install it)? Are you
> sure that 'python' and 'pythonw' refer to the same python installation
> (what is sys.prefix for these two commands)?
I'm using standard python.org builds.


brendan$ python
Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys
>>> print sys.prefix
/Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/..


brendan$ pythonw
Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys
>>> print sys.prefix
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5


Hmmm, it might be something to do with my virtualenv setup (I've only
just started using virtualenv).

brendan$ ls -l ~/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python*
-rwxrwxr-x  1 brendan  staff  30028 27 Jan 22:11
/Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python
lrwxr-xr-x  1 brendan  staff      6 27 Jan 22:11
/Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python2.5 -> python
lrwxr-xr-x  1 brendan  staff     61 27 Jan 22:20
/Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/pythonw ->
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/pythonw


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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 22 14:27:28 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:27:28 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
Message-ID: <FC08E36F-99EE-4EBA-90C4-EADA9513F613@mac.com>


Don't install Xcode 4 when you use PyObjC for your GUIs and want to use Interface Builder.  The Interface Builder that's included with Xcode 4 no longer supports Python.

I've filed a bug in Apple's tracker, but I have no idea if that will have any effect at all. It'll probably not help a lot, I filed the same bug just after WWDC last year and that didn't help either.

Ronald

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Feb 22 15:18:04 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:18:04 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <4D6397F9.1030806@etrix.com.au>
References: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<4D624D92.5070608@etrix.com.au>
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On 22 Feb, 2011, at 12:03, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:

> On 22/02/11 8:57 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> 
>> On 21 Feb, 2011, at 12:33, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
>> 
>>> On 21/02/11 10:00 PM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
>>>> From: Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
>>>> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:46:05 -0800
>>>> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
>>>> In article <4D61918E.1010308 at etrix.com.au>,
>>>>  "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" <brendan.simon at etrix.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> > Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
>>>>> > It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7 
>>>>> > requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.
>>>> That sounds very suspicious.  On OS X installs, bin/python and 
>>>> bin/pythonw are supposed to be identical.
>>> Indeed you are right.  The python and pythonw varieties are identical for Python 2.7 and my wxPython application works fine with either.
>>> 
>>> I tried again with my Python 2.5.4 install and that does have the problem.
>> 
>> Which python 2.5.4 is that (that is, how did you install it)? Are you sure that 'python' and 'pythonw' refer to the same python installation (what is sys.prefix for these two commands)?
> I'm using standard python.org builds.
> 
> 
> brendan$ python
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27) 
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import sys
> >>> print sys.prefix
> /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/..
> 
> 
> brendan$ pythonw
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27) 
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import sys
> >>> print sys.prefix
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5
> 
> 
> Hmmm, it might be something to do with my virtualenv setup (I've only just started using virtualenv).
> 
> brendan$ ls -l ~/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python*
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 brendan  staff  30028 27 Jan 22:11 /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 brendan  staff      6 27 Jan 22:11 /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python2.5 -> python
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 brendan  staff     61 27 Jan 22:20 /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/pythonw -> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/pythonw


AFAIK pythonw doesn't work in virtualenvs and within a virtualenv the python command is the real embedded interpreter, not the pythonw wrapper you get otherwise.

This is something that needs to be fixed by someone. I'm more likely to work on a simular tool that supports both 2.x and 3.x and doesn't install crap I didn't ask for and isn't mentioned in the documentation.

Ronald

> 
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From kw at codebykevin.com  Tue Feb 22 17:04:37 2011
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:04:37 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
In-Reply-To: <FC08E36F-99EE-4EBA-90C4-EADA9513F613@mac.com>
References: <FC08E36F-99EE-4EBA-90C4-EADA9513F613@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D63DE95.4020609@codebykevin.com>

On 2/22/11 8:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
> Don't install Xcode 4 when you use PyObjC for your GUIs and want to use Interface Builder.  The Interface Builder that's included with Xcode 4 no longer supports Python.
>
> I've filed a bug in Apple's tracker, but I have no idea if that will have any effect at all. It'll probably not help a lot, I filed the same bug just after WWDC last year and that didn't help either.

Unbelievable. Apple's "scripting bridge" push, its claim of full Cocoa 
support for Python, Ruby, etc. seems hard to believe now. What other 
options are there? Specify your GUI by hand? Use the XML format from 
GNUStep? (Renaissance, I think)?

--Kevin

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From brendan.simon at etrix.com.au  Tue Feb 22 23:24:42 2011
From: brendan.simon at etrix.com.au (Brendan Simon (eTRIX))
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:24:42 +1100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <F5B99255-C5F0-455E-994A-A92F006ED0E8@mac.com>
References: <mailman.40.1298286003.8191.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<4D624D92.5070608@etrix.com.au>
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On 23/02/2011 1:18 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
> On 22 Feb, 2011, at 12:03, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
>
>> On 22/02/11 8:57 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>> On 21 Feb, 2011, at 12:33, Brendan Simon (eTRIX) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 21/02/11 10:00 PM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
>>>>> From:
>>>>> Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
>>>>> Date:
>>>>> Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:46:05 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>> To:
>>>>> pythonmac-sig at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article<4D61918E.1010308 at etrix.com.au>,
>>>>>   "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)"<brendan.simon at etrix.com.au>  wrote:
>>>>>> >  Do you need to specify 'pythonw' as the interpreter ??
>>>>>> >  It may depend on python version.  I found (on OS X) that Python 2.7
>>>>>> >  requires pythonw rather than python to run my wxPython apps.
>>>>> That sounds very suspicious.  On OS X installs, bin/python and
>>>>> bin/pythonw are supposed to be identical.
>>>> Indeed you are right.  The python and pythonw varieties are 
>>>> identical for Python 2.7 and my wxPython application works fine 
>>>> with either.
>>>>
>>>> I tried again with my Python 2.5.4 install and that does have the 
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Which python 2.5.4 is that (that is, how did you install it)? Are 
>>> you sure that 'python' and 'pythonw' refer to the same python 
>>> installation (what is sys.prefix for these two commands)?
>> I'm using standard python.org <http://python.org> builds.
>>
>>
>> brendan$ python
>> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27)
>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> >>> import sys
>> >>> print sys.prefix
>> /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/..
>>
>>
>> brendan$ pythonw
>> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67917, Dec 23 2008, 14:57:27)
>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> >>> import sys
>> >>> print sys.prefix
>> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5
>>
>>
>> Hmmm, it might be something to do with my virtualenv setup (I've only 
>> just started using virtualenv).
>>
>> brendan$ ls -l ~/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python*
>> -rwxrwxr-x  1 brendan  staff  30028 27 Jan 22:11 
>> /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python
>> lrwxr-xr-x  1 brendan  staff      6 27 Jan 22:11 
>> /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/python2.5 -> python
>> lrwxr-xr-x  1 brendan  staff     61 27 Jan 22:20 
>> /Users/brendan/virtualenv/xxx-py25/bin/pythonw -> 
>> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/pythonw
>
>
> AFAIK pythonw doesn't work in virtualenvs and within a virtualenv the 
> python command is the real embedded interpreter, not the pythonw 
> wrapper you get otherwise.
>
> This is something that needs to be fixed by someone. I'm more likely 
> to work on a simular tool that supports both 2.x and 3.x and doesn't 
> install crap I didn't ask for and isn't mentioned in the documentation.

I'm not clear which tool you are referring too.  I'm presuming 
virtualenv, right ??  or are you referring to the pythonw wrapper ??

Does virtualenv have some downsides that I'm not aware of ??
It seems like a great idea to be able to install separate modules into 
separate virtual environments so that each project can use different 
modules, or different versions of the same module, etc.

Cheers, Brendan.

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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Wed Feb 23 07:52:51 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
In-Reply-To: <4D63DE95.4020609@codebykevin.com>
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On 22 Feb, 2011, at 17:04, Kevin Walzer wrote:

> On 2/22/11 8:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> 
>> Don't install Xcode 4 when you use PyObjC for your GUIs and want to use Interface Builder.  The Interface Builder that's included with Xcode 4 no longer supports Python.
>> 
>> I've filed a bug in Apple's tracker, but I have no idea if that will have any effect at all. It'll probably not help a lot, I filed the same bug just after WWDC last year and that didn't help either.
> 
> Unbelievable. Apple's "scripting bridge" push, its claim of full Cocoa support for Python, Ruby, etc. seems hard to believe now. What other options are there? Specify your GUI by hand? Use the XML format from GNUStep? (Renaissance, I think)?

The easiest option for now is to continue using Xcode 3, and file a bug at http://bugreporter.apple.com/ to complain about this regression (I've already filed one, the more people file a similar issue the more likely it is that the issue gets attention).

I'm currently thinking about what to do in the longer run, specifying the GUI by hand is definitely an option although I'd prefer to use a GUI design tool.  Renaissance <http://www.gnustep.it/Renaissance/> would be an option for that.

Ronald

> 
> --Kevin
> 
> -- 
> Kevin Walzer
> Code by Kevin
> http://www.codebykevin.com
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From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Wed Feb 23 17:48:33 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG]  a word of warning for pyobjc users
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6TN+RoJEcbYtEqa-NWUb-vGFuY4QPNKzsC80w@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin Walzer wrote:

On 2/22/11 8:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
> > Don't install Xcode 4 when you use PyObjC for your GUIs and want to use Interface Builder.  The Interface Builder that's included with Xcode 4 no longer supports Python.
> >
> > I've filed a bug in Apple's tracker, but I have no idea if that will have any effect at all. It'll probably not help a lot, I filed the same bug just after WWDC last year and that didn't help either.
>
> Unbelievable. Apple's "scripting bridge" push,

You mean BridgeSupport (http://bridgesupport.macosforge.org/), which
provides XML descriptions of the non-introspectable bits of Cocoa APIs
for easy consumption by PyObjC, MacRuby, etc.


> its claim of full Cocoa support for Python, Ruby, etc. seems hard to believe now.

I would suggest dropping a note to Laurent Sansonetti (BridgeSupport +
MacRuby lead) and other bridge & runtime devs
(http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaBridges)
(http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaLanguages) to find out if
they're also affected. Laurent may also be in a marginally better
position to agitate, seeing as he's an Apple employee.
(http://www.macruby.org/)


> What other options are there? Specify your GUI by hand?

Is it just the Read/Write Class Files functionality that's affected,
or has Xcode 4 also lost the ability to specify IB classes manually?
(IB 2 was good at this; IB 3 not so good but I think it was still
possible.)

HTH

has

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Wed Feb 23 22:42:10 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:42:10 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6TN+RoJEcbYtEqa-NWUb-vGFuY4QPNKzsC80w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6TN+RoJEcbYtEqa-NWUb-vGFuY4QPNKzsC80w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17EE67A4-21E1-41C1-B885-B2AAC26C7AC7@mac.com>


On 23 Feb, 2011, at 17:48, has wrote:

> Kevin Walzer wrote:
> 
> On 2/22/11 8:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't install Xcode 4 when you use PyObjC for your GUIs and want to use Interface Builder.  The Interface Builder that's included with Xcode 4 no longer supports Python.
>>> 
>>> I've filed a bug in Apple's tracker, but I have no idea if that will have any effect at all. It'll probably not help a lot, I filed the same bug just after WWDC last year and that didn't help either.
>> 
>> Unbelievable. Apple's "scripting bridge" push,
> 
> You mean BridgeSupport (http://bridgesupport.macosforge.org/), which
> provides XML descriptions of the non-introspectable bits of Cocoa APIs
> for easy consumption by PyObjC, MacRuby, etc.

There's also the Cocoa Scripting Bridge <http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ScriptingBridgeConcepts/Introduction/Introduction.html>, which is simular to objc-appscript in scope.

The BridgeSupport project is a mess, the specification is too lax to be useful. PyObjC uses its own variation of those files because there are slight diffferences in the semantics that RubyCocoa and PyObjC expect, even though I worked with Laurent on the initial version of these files.   Current PyObjC versions diverge slightly further to be able to add more useful information to the bridgesupport files, and future versions might move to something else altogether.

> 
> 
>> its claim of full Cocoa support for Python, Ruby, etc. seems hard to believe now.
> 
> I would suggest dropping a note to Laurent Sansonetti (BridgeSupport +
> MacRuby lead) and other bridge & runtime devs
> (http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaBridges)
> (http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaLanguages) to find out if
> they're also affected. Laurent may also be in a marginally better
> position to agitate, seeing as he's an Apple employee.
> (http://www.macruby.org/)

Ruby seems to be affected as well (although I'm not sure if I use the right syntax).

> 
> 
>> What other options are there? Specify your GUI by hand?
> 
> Is it just the Read/Write Class Files functionality that's affected,
> or has Xcode 4 also lost the ability to specify IB classes manually?
> (IB 2 was good at this; IB 3 not so good but I think it was still
> possible.)

I haven't found a way to do "Read Class Files", probably because IB is now part of the Xcode IDE and no longer a standalone program (which means IB immediately knows when files are added or updated). 

There are probably good technical reasons why it is no longer easy to support scripting languages in IB, but the new behavior sucks nonetheless.


Ronald


From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Thu Feb 24 10:16:41 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:16:41 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
In-Reply-To: <17EE67A4-21E1-41C1-B885-B2AAC26C7AC7@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTin6TN+RoJEcbYtEqa-NWUb-vGFuY4QPNKzsC80w@mail.gmail.com>
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Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>>> Unbelievable. Apple's "scripting bridge" push,
>>
>> You mean BridgeSupport
>
> There's also the Cocoa Scripting Bridge

Folks often use 'scripting bridge' to mean 'scripting language to ObjC
bridge' (PyObjC, RubyCocoa, etc). The misleadingly named Scripting
Bridge is Apple's attempt at ObjC to Apple event bindings, but isn't
relevant here beyond being one of the many APIs that PyObjC & co. can
talk to.


> The BridgeSupport project is a mess, the specification is too lax to be useful.

Not the first time I've heard this criticism, but there are enough
bridge and runtime developers around these days that they ought to be
able to pull together some improvements. I know with OSS it's common
for everyone to do their own thing, but a coherent group effort might
register better on Apple's radar when they're deciding what's worth
their support.


>> I would suggest dropping a note to Laurent Sansonetti (BridgeSupport +
>> MacRuby lead) and other bridge & runtime devs
>
>Ruby seems to be affected as well (although I'm not sure if I use the right syntax).

RubyCocoa and/or MacRuby? RubyCocoa uses the same method name swizzle
as PyObjC, minus the trailing underscore, e.g.

	[obj foo: x bar: y] -> obj.foo_bar(x, y).
	
MacRuby uses heavier syntactic sugar to make positional args look like
keyword args, e.g.

	[obj foo: x bar: y] -> obj.foo(x, bar: y)


>>> What other options are there? Specify your GUI by hand?
>>
>> Is it just the Read/Write Class Files functionality that's affected,
>> or has Xcode 4 also lost the ability to specify IB classes manually?
>> (IB 2 was good at this; IB 3 not so good but I think it was still
>> possible.)
>
>I haven't found a way to do "Read Class Files", probably because IB is now part of the Xcode IDE and no longer a standalone program (which means IB immediately knows when files are added or updated).

So can you still define class structures manually? Or is that gone too?


>There are probably good technical reasons why it is no longer easy to support scripting languages in IB, but the new behavior sucks nonetheless.

I doubt there's a good technical reason; my guess'd be that due to
some combination ignorance, arrogance, insufficient time and/or
managerial diktat [1] they've coupled it tightly to ObjC with little
thought for creating a more flexible, reusable solution. Apple have
always had a lukewarm attitude to any language not already called
"Objective-C", treating even their own AppleScript language as the
red-headed stepchild they'd club to death the moment everyone's backs
are turned.

Again, I'd recommend you have a pow-wow with all the other bridge and
runtime developers, as you're the folks who are best able to describe
the problem in both technical and practical terms and rally your user
bases in concerted protest.

Regards,

has (trundling web- and Linux-ward for a reason)


[1] This is what got appscript & co. rejected from 10.5 in favour of
the crappy in-house solution. I always thought the ObjC bridges would
be quite safe though, seeing as they hanged with the cool kids (ObjC &
Cocoa) rather than the old-skool losers (AppleScript + Carbon), but
sympathies if not.

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Thu Feb 24 10:31:53 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:31:53 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=myoGjhs1OU+6fx7ENceVvcw=EdjC3Bph3Jn3x@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6TN+RoJEcbYtEqa-NWUb-vGFuY4QPNKzsC80w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <03FA5440-5F98-401E-8F94-FFED9F8C940A@mac.com>


On 24 Feb, 2011, at 10:16, has wrote:

> 
> 
>> The BridgeSupport project is a mess, the specification is too lax to be useful.
> 
> Not the first time I've heard this criticism, but there are enough
> bridge and runtime developers around these days that they ought to be
> able to pull together some improvements. I know with OSS it's common
> for everyone to do their own thing, but a coherent group effort might
> register better on Apple's radar when they're deciding what's worth
> their support.

I've tried to work with Laurent to get something usefull going, but in the end this didn't work out. One example is the 'b' type string that is used for 'BOOL' in bridgesupport files: this got through several rounds of review without anyone noticing that  "sizeof(bool) == sizeof(BOOL)" is not always true (IIRC sizeof(bool) is 4 on PPC32).

> 
> 
>>> I would suggest dropping a note to Laurent Sansonetti (BridgeSupport +
>>> MacRuby lead) and other bridge & runtime devs
>> 
>> Ruby seems to be affected as well (although I'm not sure if I use the right syntax).
> 
> RubyCocoa and/or MacRuby? RubyCocoa uses the same method name swizzle
> as PyObjC, minus the trailing underscore, e.g.
> 
> 	[obj foo: x bar: y] -> obj.foo_bar(x, y).
> 	
> MacRuby uses heavier syntactic sugar to make positional args look like
> keyword args, e.g.
> 
> 	[obj foo: x bar: y] -> obj.foo(x, bar: y)

Method definitions aren't even relevant yet in my experiments, I've defined a subclass of NSObject and that wasn't seen by the IB component in Xcode.

class MyController < OSX:NSObject
    attr_writer :button
    def clicked(sender)
        puts "Button clicked!"
    end
end

> 
> 
>>>> What other options are there? Specify your GUI by hand?
>>> 
>>> Is it just the Read/Write Class Files functionality that's affected,
>>> or has Xcode 4 also lost the ability to specify IB classes manually?
>>> (IB 2 was good at this; IB 3 not so good but I think it was still
>>> possible.)
>> 
>> I haven't found a way to do "Read Class Files", probably because IB is now part of the Xcode IDE and no longer a standalone program (which means IB immediately knows when files are added or updated).
> 
> So can you still define class structures manually? Or is that gone too?

This seems to be gone too.  That's not unsuprising because the IB component hooks directly into the editor which in turn uses clang to have an up-to-date semantic model of the code you type (as long as it's (Objective-)C related.

> 
> 
>> There are probably good technical reasons why it is no longer easy to support scripting languages in IB, but the new behavior sucks nonetheless.
> 
> I doubt there's a good technical reason;

The "good" reason is probably that Xcode has an internal semantic model of the code using the clang project and adding support for scripting languages to that is relatively hard because there are not off-the-shelve components they could use for that.    That's a lame reason for completely dropping the support they had in Xcode3, but is understandable.

> 
> 
> Again, I'd recommend you have a pow-wow with all the other bridge and
> runtime developers, as you're the folks who are best able to describe
> the problem in both technical and practical terms and rally your user
> bases in concerted protest.

I'm not very interested in doing that as I hardly have any time to work on pyobjc as it is and I'd prefer to spend that on moving the project forward rather than trying to move a big corporation. Unless a lot of users start complaining (or a number of very large customers) this likely will have minimal priority within Apple.

Ronald


From benjamin.j.golder at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 00:11:29 2011
From: benjamin.j.golder at gmail.com (Benjamin Golder)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:11:29 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript = creating variables of basic k. types
Message-ID: <AANLkTik25YNJH8A-0oj3_r+yY6q-mDEU7aAVrJibf=7C@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm learning and enjoying the appscript module, but I'm a little confused
about how to instantiate basic k. type objects.
for example, if I want to create a variable that holds a k.boolean value to
use while scripting an application,
how do I create it, and then pass it to the set() method of a property
within that application?

let's say I'm scripting Adobe Illustrator:

il = app('Adobe Illustrator')
doc = il.current_document.get()
layers = doc.layers.get()
layer = layers[1]

in Illustrator, a layer object has a property layer.visible, which has a
k.boolean value.

how do I create a variable m which is a k.boolean type, such that:

layer.visible.set(m)

will set the .visible property to a different k.boolean value?

m = k.boolean(True) doesn't work
m = make(new k.boolean) doesn't work

there must be a simple answer, but I don't know it.

Any and all help or advice is appreciated, thanks!!

-Ben
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From benjamin.j.golder at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 00:20:33 2011
From: benjamin.j.golder at gmail.com (Benjamin Golder)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:20:33 -0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript module - creating k. type objects
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-z74-d02Pp7Evqx7tR4sHSSLjSACbCkCpp9O6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm learning and enjoying the appscript module, but I'm a little confused
about how to instantiate basic k. type objects.
for example, if I want to create a variable that holds a k.boolean value to
use while scripting an application,
how do I create it, and then pass it to the set() method of a property
within that application?

let's say I'm scripting Adobe Illustrator:

il = app('Adobe Illustrator')
doc = il.current_document.get()
layers = doc.layers.get()
layer = layers[1]

in Illustrator, a layer object has a property layer.visible, which has a
k.boolean value.

how do I create a variable m which is a k.boolean type, such that:

layer.visible.set(m)

will set the .visible property to a different k.boolean value?

m = k.boolean(True) doesn't work
m = make(new k.boolean) doesn't work

there must be a simple answer, but I don't know it.

Any and all help or advice is appreciated, thanks!!

-Ben
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From estartu at augusta.de  Mon Feb 28 10:38:54 2011
From: estartu at augusta.de (Gerhard Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <4D5D5704.8070803@noaa.gov>
References: <4D5CF2D5.8040107@augusta.de> <4D5D5704.8070803@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <4D6B6D2E.1020105@augusta.de>

Hi,

Sorry was ill some time. Couldn't reply sooner.

Am 17.02.2011 18:12, schrieb Christopher Barker:
> On 2/17/11 2:05 AM, Gerhard Schmidt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i try to generate an app from a wxPython project.
>>
>> Generation the App runs without an error. But when i try to start the
>> App it terminates.
> 
> versions of python (and which binary install), py2app, wxPython, OS-X ?

Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Jun 24 2010, 21:47:49)
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

py2app-0.5.2-py2.6.egg
wx-2.8-mac-unicode
MaxOS 10.6.6

>> The logs show that import wx doesn't work.
> 
> can you build a really, really simple wx app? (see enclosed)
> 
>> What am i missing.
> 
> I'm not sure, but you do have something extra:
> 
>                          CFBundleIdentifier         =
> "com.acf.vereinsverwaltung",
>                          )
>           ,'packages':      'wx'
> 
> you don't need to specify the wx package -- if there is an "import wx" in your
> code, py2app will find it.
> 
> 
>           ,'site_packages': True
> 
> And I don't remember what this does -- try taking it out and see what you get.
Doesn't change the problem. Still can't run the app.

I have the loglines attached.

Regards
	Estartu

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From estartu at augusta.de  Mon Feb 28 10:47:00 2011
From: estartu at augusta.de (Gerhard Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:47:00 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app with wxpython
In-Reply-To: <4D5D5704.8070803@noaa.gov>
References: <4D5CF2D5.8040107@augusta.de> <4D5D5704.8070803@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <4D6B6F14.2010005@augusta.de>

Am 17.02.11 18:12, schrieb Christopher Barker:
> On 2/17/11 2:05 AM, Gerhard Schmidt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i try to generate an app from a wxPython project.
>>
>> Generation the App runs without an error. But when i try to start the
>> App it terminates.
> 
> versions of python (and which binary install), py2app, wxPython, OS-X ?
> 
>> The logs show that import wx doesn't work.
> 
> can you build a really, really simple wx app? (see enclosed)

calling python basicwx.py from terminal works after setting
VERSIONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT=yes

maybe thats the problem. Is there a way to force py2app to chose the 32
bit version or to set the env accordlingly

buiold the app works, starting doesn't.

console logs the following
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
Traceback (most recent call last):
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
  File
"/Users/Estartu/Desktop/test/dist/basicwx.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py",
line 103, in <module>
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
    _argv_emulation()
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
  File
"/Users/Estartu/Desktop/test/dist/basicwx.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py",
line 101, in _argv_emulation
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
    _get_argvemulator().mainloop()
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
  File
"/Users/Estartu/Desktop/test/dist/basicwx.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py",
line 40, in mainloop
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
    stoptime = Evt.TickCount() + timeout
28.02.11 10:41:27	[0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'TickCount'
28.02.11 10:41:28	basicwx[2946]	basicwx Error
28.02.11 10:41:28	basicwx[2946]	basicwx Error
28.02.11 10:41:35	com.apple.launchd.peruser.502[693]
([0x0-0xe70e7].org.pythonmac.unspecified.basicwx[2946]) Exited with exit
code: 255
28.02.11 10:41:59	com.apple.launchd.peruser.502[693]
([0x0-0xe80e8].org.python.buildapplet[2953]) Exited: Killed

Regards
    Estartu


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From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Mon Feb 28 21:04:15 2011
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:04:15 +0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] a word of warning for pyobjc users
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References: <AANLkTin6TN+RoJEcbYtEqa-NWUb-vGFuY4QPNKzsC80w@mail.gmail.com>
	<17EE67A4-21E1-41C1-B885-B2AAC26C7AC7@mac.com>
	<AANLkTi=myoGjhs1OU+6fx7ENceVvcw=EdjC3Bph3Jn3x@mail.gmail.com>
	<03FA5440-5F98-401E-8F94-FFED9F8C940A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D6BFFBF.7060407@virgin.net>

On 24/02/11 09:31, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>>> There are probably good technical reasons why it is no longer
>>> easy to support scripting languages in IB, but the new behavior
>>> sucks nonetheless.

One last thought: did you try AppleScriptObjC? It's a PyObjC-style 
bridge introduced in 10.6 with project templates included in Xcode 3.2. 
Its presence (or absence) in Xcode 4 should tell you something.

Regards,

has

From dave at bcs.co.nz  Fri Feb 18 00:10:25 2011
From: dave at bcs.co.nz (David Brooks)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:10:25 +1300
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Allow multiple executables in a single py2app bundle
Message-ID: <4D5DAAE1.2010503@bcs.co.nz>

Hi,

The following patch enables the name of the stub executable to determine 
the Python script to run. This allows multiple scripts to use a common 
runtime.

Required manual steps are to make copies of the stub in ./MacOS and to 
copy the actual Python scripts into ./Resources.

N.B. The py2app/apptemplate/prebuilt contents need to be recreated by 
running 'python setup.py build' in py2app/apptemplate, before running 
the main 'setup.py install'.


Enjoy!

Dave

=================================================

diff --git a/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c b/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c
--- a/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c
+++ b/py2app/apptemplate/src/main.c
@@ -1017,8 +1017,9 @@

      argv_new = alloca((argc + 1) * sizeof(char *));
      argv_new[argc] = NULL;
-    argv_new[0] = c_mainScript;
-    memcpy(&argv_new[1],&argv[1], (argc - 1) * sizeof(char *));
+    //argv_new[0] = c_mainScript;
+    //memcpy(&argv_new[1],&argv[1], (argc - 1) * sizeof(char *));
+    memcpy(argv_new, argv, argc * sizeof(char *));
      py2app_PySys_SetArgv(argc, argv_new);


diff --git a/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py b/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py
--- a/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py
+++ b/py2app/bootstrap/boot_app.py
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
      site.addsitedir(os.path.join(base, 'Python', 'site-packages'))
      if not scripts:
          import __main__
-    for script in scripts:
-        path = os.path.join(base, script)
-        sys.argv[0] = __file__ = path
-        execfile(path, globals(), globals())
+    script = sys.argv[0].split('/')[-1] + '.py'
+    path = os.path.join(base, script)
+    sys.argv[0] = __file__ = path
+    execfile(path, globals(), globals())

=================================================