From vip at avatar.com.au  Fri Aug  1 00:54:00 2008
From: vip at avatar.com.au (DavidW)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:54:00 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py access to speech synth?
In-Reply-To: <4AEAF986-AD57-48E5-9754-D55BD9638296@alcidesfonseca.com>
References: <AA4EE2A6-3243-41DA-A10C-EAD1B11DDF79@avatar.com.au>
	<4AEAF986-AD57-48E5-9754-D55BD9638296@alcidesfonseca.com>
Message-ID: <457598F2-84D6-4B9E-B2DC-40161B214E3F@avatar.com.au>


Thanks for replying. I know about "say".
What's wrong with such high-level control is, for example, that there  
isn't any tempo or prosody control
or phoneme control - if that's their synthesis method -
(a 'cello that is fixated on the Hall of the Mountain King would soon  
become my enemy :-)

I haven't used PyObjC before so I'll have a go at   
NSSpeechSynthesizer. Thanks!

Any other views?
David

On 31/07/2008, at 9:08 PM, Alcides Fonseca wrote:

>
> Em 2008/07/31, ?s 10:54, DavidW escreveu:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Does anyone know whether there's any work being done on a python  
>> interface to the OSX speech synthesiser?
>>
>
> What's wrong with
>
> import os
> os.system("say -v Cellos Python does not have braces have braces  
> have bracesThats why I love python so much")
>
> I guess there is already a OSA interface, and you can translate the  
> following AppleScript to Python:
>
> say "To see other application windows again, select Show All from  
> the Finder menu." using "Vicki"
>
> Hope it helped...
>
> Alcides



From patrick at raptr.com  Fri Aug  1 23:52:26 2008
From: patrick at raptr.com (Patrick Li)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] using py2app to include the python interpreter?
Message-ID: <2b5a48740808011452k697c7f70kf840eea7d89889b4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just used py2app to bundle my app on Leopard.  It works fine on my
computer.  However, when I let my friend run the app on his machine that is
running Tiger, it returned an error regarding the python runtime:

"A Python runtime could be located.  You may need to install a framework
build of Python, or edit the PyRuntimeLocations array in this application's
Info.plist file."

After further investigation, it appears that Leopard comes with python 2.5
and Tiger comes with python 2.3.  As a result, it was not able to find the
python runtime to execute my application.

I was under the assumption that py2app is supposed to bundle python all
together so that it can run on any machine as a standalone without depending
on python being installed on their machine?  Am I missing something?

Thanks in advance,
Patrick
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From rowen at cesmail.net  Sat Aug  2 02:08:46 2008
From: rowen at cesmail.net (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] using py2app to include the python interpreter?
References: <2b5a48740808011452k697c7f70kf840eea7d89889b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <rowen-31464F.17084601082008@news.gmane.org>

In article 
<2b5a48740808011452k697c7f70kf840eea7d89889b4 at mail.gmail.com>,
 "Patrick Li" <patrick at raptr.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just used py2app to bundle my app on Leopard.  It works fine on my
> computer.  However, when I let my friend run the app on his machine that is
> running Tiger, it returned an error regarding the python runtime:
> 
> "A Python runtime could be located.  You may need to install a framework
> build of Python, or edit the PyRuntimeLocations array in this application's
> Info.plist file."
> 
> After further investigation, it appears that Leopard comes with python 2.5
> and Tiger comes with python 2.3.  As a result, it was not able to find the
> python runtime to execute my application.
> 
> I was under the assumption that py2app is supposed to bundle python all
> together so that it can run on any machine as a standalone without depending
> on python being installed on their machine?  Am I missing something?

All you have to do is install your own python and use that to run 
py2app. then py2app will bundle the python in your app. (It will not 
bundle the system python for various good reasons.)

Installing your own python is a good thing to do in any case. You can 
add and update packages and you can update python without fear of 
messing up the system.

-- Russell


From patrick at raptr.com  Sat Aug  2 02:47:26 2008
From: patrick at raptr.com (Patrick Li)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] using py2app to include the python interpreter?
In-Reply-To: <rowen-31464F.17084601082008@news.gmane.org>
References: <2b5a48740808011452k697c7f70kf840eea7d89889b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<rowen-31464F.17084601082008@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <2b5a48740808011747s3850e7e0w1d32d9a63c6b300e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!  It took me further... However, I'm now getting the following
error.  Do you know what may cause this?

*** creating application bundle: Raptr ***
copying
build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/python2.5-standalone/app/site-packages.zip ->
/Users/patrickli/client/gxl/trunk/client/src/dist/Raptr.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"/Users/patrickli/python/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2app-0.4.2-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py",
line 579, in _run
    self.run_normal()
  File
"/Users/patrickli/python/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2app-0.4.2-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py",
line 650, in run_normal
    self.create_binaries(py_files, pkgdirs, extensions, loader_files)
  File
"/Users/patrickli/python/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2app-0.4.2-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py",
line 767, in create_binaries
    platfiles = mm.run()
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOStandalone.py", line
102, in run
    mm.run_file(fn)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOGraph.py", line 66,
in run_file
    m = self.createNode(MachO, pathname)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOStandalone.py", line
23, in createNode
    res = super(FilteredMachOGraph, self).createNode(cls, name)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/altgraph/ObjectGraph.py", line 148,
in createNode
    m = cls(name, *args, **kw)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 61, in
__init__
    self.load(file(filename, 'rb'))
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 76, in
load
    self.load_header(fh, 0, size)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 106, in
load_header
    hdr = MachOHeader(self, fh, offset, size, magic, hdr, endian)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 146, in
__init__
    self.load(fh)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 178, in
load
    raise ValueError("Unknown load command: %d" % (cmd_load.cmd,))
ValueError: Unknown load command: 27
>
/Users/patrickli/client/gxl/trunk/client/src/build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py(178)load()
(Pdb)


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Russell E. Owen <rowen at cesmail.net> wrote:

> In article
> <2b5a48740808011452k697c7f70kf840eea7d89889b4 at mail.gmail.com>,
>  "Patrick Li" <patrick at raptr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just used py2app to bundle my app on Leopard.  It works fine on my
> > computer.  However, when I let my friend run the app on his machine that
> is
> > running Tiger, it returned an error regarding the python runtime:
> >
> > "A Python runtime could be located.  You may need to install a framework
> > build of Python, or edit the PyRuntimeLocations array in this
> application's
> > Info.plist file."
> >
> > After further investigation, it appears that Leopard comes with python
> 2.5
> > and Tiger comes with python 2.3.  As a result, it was not able to find
> the
> > python runtime to execute my application.
> >
> > I was under the assumption that py2app is supposed to bundle python all
> > together so that it can run on any machine as a standalone without
> depending
> > on python being installed on their machine?  Am I missing something?
>
> All you have to do is install your own python and use that to run
> py2app. then py2app will bundle the python in your app. (It will not
> bundle the system python for various good reasons.)
>
> Installing your own python is a good thing to do in any case. You can
> add and update packages and you can update python without fear of
> messing up the system.
>
> -- Russell
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>
>
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From georgewr at bigpond.net.au  Sat Aug  2 14:28:41 2008
From: georgewr at bigpond.net.au (George Wright)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:28:41 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Installation of 2.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.50.1217671215.6603.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.50.1217671215.6603.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <FE0DF25B-9AD4-43BD-A3E0-78E0CE18B155@bigpond.net.au>

Gidday
I have just purchased a new MacBook with OS X 10.5.2 installed.
I want to set up a virtualenv with the latest python.org version of 2.5
There has been heaps of discussion on this list about this kind of  
thing and I doubt If I have
read and understood it all.
Does anyone have a reference to a simple step by step "how to" for  
this installation?

George Wright
georgewr at bigpond.net.au
http://mywebsite.bigpond.net.au/georgewr/
http://labyrinth.net.au/~gwright/



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From tkpmep at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 04:39:14 2008
From: tkpmep at gmail.com (Thomas Philips)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:39:14 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Teething troubles - Getting up an running on a mac
Message-ID: <9fb0d900808021939w2c5819ddo65e319d6ff2f3254@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a new iMac, have installed Python 2.5.2 on it, and am now trying to
run my existing Python programs on it (these are typically number crunching
programs that I run from IDLE). Some things work, while others don't, and as
this is my first time grappling with Unix and MacOS X, I appreciate some
guidance on how to get up and running. Here are details of my setup
interspersed with my woes and my questions. Your assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Item 1. I downloaded and installed 2.5.2 from python.org. Runs fine, it
installed a MacPython directory under applications, which has a few icons,
including IDLE. However, I have absolutely NO idea where all the Python
files are kept.

Question 1: How can I locate the Python installation? There a few files
under Applications > MacPython 2.5, but this is clearly not the entire
installation.

Question 2: In Finder, If I click on Search For > Past week, I can see a
sequence of folders under the horizontal scroll bar at the bottom of the
window, allowing me to determine that some files that were placed under
Applications > MacPython 2.5> Extra> Demo. But I do not seem to be able to
see the sequence of folders under the horizontal scroll bar in any finder
window. What do I need to do to make the folder sequence visible in all
Finder Windows?


Item 2. I downloaded and installed the SciPy superpack from
Macinscience,org. Scipy seems to import correctly into the Python 2.5.1 that
comes with the Mac, but i cannot import it into MacPython 2.5.2.

Question 3. What do I have to do in order to make SciPy work with both
Python 2.5.1 (that comes with the Mac) and 2.5.2 (that I installed myself)?


Item 3. I accidentally clicked on something (not sure what) and suddenly
found the path to the numpy folder was Macintosh HD > Developer > SDKs >
MacOSX10.5.sdk>System>
Library>Frameworks>Python.framework>Versions>2.5>extras>lib>Python>numpy.
This is insane!!! Where would the superpack have installed SciPy, and how
can I find it?

Question 4. How do I get MacPython 2.5.2 to see SciPy, NumPy etc.
Question 5. How can I find the current value of the PYTHONPATH environment
variable, and how can I edit it and add a directory in which I keep my
Python programs.
Question 6. Apparently there's a Property List Editor that must be used to
create a file called ~ /.MacOSX/environment.plist. I can't find a directory
called ~/.MacOSX. Is this a hidden directory?


Item 4. I opened a terminal window, and typed ipython. Here's what I got:

Welcome to IPython. I will try to create a personal configuration directory
where you can customize many aspects of IPython's functionality in:

/Users/tom/.ipython
WARNING:
Installation error. IPython's directory was not found.

Check the following:

The ipython/IPython directory should be in a directory belonging to your
PYTHONPATH environment variable (that is, it should be in a directory
belonging to sys.path). You can copy it explicitly there or just link to it.

IPython will create a minimal default configuration for you.
Ipython actually runs once I hit enter, but I do not seem to be able to
import and run my programs.

Question 7. What is this cryptic message all about? I'm completely confused.


I never thought I'd say this, but it actually seemed a lot easier to get
Python and any associated programs up and running on Windows! I suspect that
a large fraction of my troubles are due to the fact that I am brand new to
the Mac and to Unix, but I bought the Mac in part because I thought that
using it was effortless.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely

Thomas Philips
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From kw at codebykevin.com  Sun Aug  3 16:12:23 2008
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Teething troubles - Getting up an running on a
 mac
In-Reply-To: <9fb0d900808021939w2c5819ddo65e319d6ff2f3254@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9fb0d900808021939w2c5819ddo65e319d6ff2f3254@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>

Thomas Philips wrote:

> Item 1. I downloaded and installed 2.5.2 from python.org. Runs fine, it
> installed a MacPython directory under applications, which has a few icons,
> including IDLE. However, I have absolutely NO idea where all the Python
> files are kept.

/Library/Frameworks/Python
> 
> Question 1: How can I locate the Python installation? There a few files
> under Applications > MacPython 2.5, but this is clearly not the entire
> installation.

Those are just the GUI bits, see above.
> 
> Question 2: In Finder, If I click on Search For > Past week, I can see a
> sequence of folders under the horizontal scroll bar at the bottom of the
> window, allowing me to determine that some files that were placed under
> Applications > MacPython 2.5> Extra> Demo. But I do not seem to be able to
> see the sequence of folders under the horizontal scroll bar in any finder
> window. What do I need to do to make the folder sequence visible in all
> Finder Windows?

Finder doesn't work that way--not sure what to tell you.
> 
> 
> Item 2. I downloaded and installed the SciPy superpack from
> Macinscience,org. Scipy seems to import correctly into the Python 2.5.1 that
> comes with the Mac, but i cannot import it into MacPython 2.5.2.

Looks like it works with the System Python, not the one you installed?

> 
> Question 3. What do I have to do in order to make SciPy work with both
> Python 2.5.1 (that comes with the Mac) and 2.5.2 (that I installed myself)?
> 
You can't. They have different library paths.

> 
> Item 3. I accidentally clicked on something (not sure what) and suddenly
> found the path to the numpy folder was Macintosh HD > Developer > SDKs >
> MacOSX10.5.sdk>System>
> Library>Frameworks>Python.framework>Versions>2.5>extras>lib>Python>numpy.
> This is insane!!! Where would the superpack have installed SciPy, and how
> can I find it?

Ask the Macsinscience developers.
> 
> Question 4. How do I get MacPython 2.5.2 to see SciPy, NumPy etc.
> Question 5. How can I find the current value of the PYTHONPATH environment
> variable, and how can I edit it and add a directory in which I keep my
> Python programs.

Not sure. Pythonpath is more used on Unix, not on OS X.
> Question 6. Apparently there's a Property List Editor that must be used to
> create a file called ~ /.MacOSX/environment.plist. I can't find a directory
> called ~/.MacOSX. Is this a hidden directory?

Yes.
> 
> 
> Item 4. I opened a terminal window, and typed ipython. Here's what I got:
> 
> Welcome to IPython. I will try to create a personal configuration directory
> where you can customize many aspects of IPython's functionality in:
> 
> /Users/tom/.ipython
> WARNING:
> Installation error. IPython's directory was not found.
> 
> Check the following:
> 
> The ipython/IPython directory should be in a directory belonging to your
> PYTHONPATH environment variable (that is, it should be in a directory
> belonging to sys.path). You can copy it explicitly there or just link to it.
> 
> IPython will create a minimal default configuration for you.
> Ipython actually runs once I hit enter, but I do not seem to be able to
> import and run my programs.
> 
> Question 7. What is this cryptic message all about? I'm completely confused.

Not sure. Looks like ipython doesn't see Python?
> 
> 
> I never thought I'd say this, but it actually seemed a lot easier to get
> Python and any associated programs up and running on Windows! I suspect that
> a large fraction of my troubles are due to the fact that I am brand new to
> the Mac and to Unix, but I bought the Mac in part because I thought that
> using it was effortless.

  It isn't the same as Windows and other Unixes, so it's not surprising 
that you're having some difficulty adjusting to the platform-specific 
quirks.Once you work through them, things should be smooth.

Kevin

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From njriley at uiuc.edu  Sun Aug  3 19:10:25 2008
From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Teething troubles - Getting up an running on a
	mac
In-Reply-To: <4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>
References: <9fb0d900808021939w2c5819ddo65e319d6ff2f3254@mail.gmail.com>
	<4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>
Message-ID: <20080803171025.GA6745@uiuc.edu>

On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:12:23AM -0400, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> >Question 2: In Finder, If I click on Search For > Past week, I can see a
> >sequence of folders under the horizontal scroll bar at the bottom of the
> >window, allowing me to determine that some files that were placed under
> >Applications > MacPython 2.5> Extra> Demo. But I do not seem to be able to
> >see the sequence of folders under the horizontal scroll bar in any finder
> >window. What do I need to do to make the folder sequence visible in all
> >Finder Windows?
> 
> Finder doesn't work that way--not sure what to tell you.

Actually, this isn't the case in Leopard - you can use View > Show
Path Bar to turn it on.  (However, this uses way too much screen space
for me - I find it easier to Command-click - or, also new in Leopard,
right-click - on the window title.)

-- 
Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

From vivacarlie at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 22:48:43 2008
From: vivacarlie at gmail.com (Nehemiah Dacres)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:48:43 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Teething troubles - Getting up an running on a
	mac
In-Reply-To: <4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>
References: <9fb0d900808021939w2c5819ddo65e319d6ff2f3254@mail.gmail.com>
	<4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>
Message-ID: <65fadfc30808031348q1f445469o6aaef40e302d474d@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>
>> Question 3. What do I have to do in order to make SciPy work with both
>> Python 2.5.1 (that comes with the Mac) and 2.5.2 (that I installed
>> myself)?
>>
>>  You can't. They have different library paths.

hmm, I wouldn't say that You probiblly shouldln't have even bothered with
installing 5,2 im not sure what the improvements are but the system python
has a perfectly fine terminal interface. juset pick one. python packages
installed via the installer now install for system python becasue thats what
ran the "setup.py" script

>
> Item 3. I accidentally clicked on something (not sure what) and suddenly
> found the path to the numpy folder was Macintosh HD > Developer > SDKs >
> MacOSX10.5.sdk>System>
> Library>Frameworks>Python.framework>Versions>2.5>extras>lib>Python>numpy.
> This is insane!!! Where would the superpack have installed SciPy, and how
> can I find it?
>

Ask the Macsinscience developers.

have you actually checked the documentation on SciPy, try looking in
/Library/Python/site-packages or everything else listed by
python
>>> import sys
>>> print sys.path
that lists everything in pythonpath. also, if you want to include any other
files, just drop them in one of those directories or put symlinks(or aliases
aka shortcuts) to them in one of those folders.

>
>
>> Question 4. How do I get MacPython 2.5.2 to see SciPy, NumPy etc.
>> Question 5. How can I find the current value of the PYTHONPATH environment
>> variable, and how can I edit it and add a directory in which I keep my
>> Python programs.
>>
>
> Not sure. Pythonpath is more used on Unix, not on OS X.
>
like i said, drop them in one of the site-packagees directories or put links
to them from those directories. otherwise, in your shell's environment (did
u even google this? google : "edit mac path or environmen") or edit the
envrionmental plist or better yet, theres a free GUI tool to do that,
http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCEnvironment/

>
>
>>
>> Item 4. I opened a terminal window, and typed ipython. Here's what I got:
>>
>> Welcome to IPython. I will try to create a personal configuration
>> directory
>> where you can customize many aspects of IPython's functionality in:
>
> or perhaps you never installed iPython, Why r u using this?

>
>
> I never thought I'd say this, but it actually seemed a lot easier to get
> Python and any associated programs up and running on Windows! I suspect
> that
> a large fraction of my troubles are due to the fact that I am brand new to
> the Mac and to Unix, but I bought the Mac in part because I thought that
> using it was effortless.
>

 It isn't the same as Windows and other Unixes, so it's not surprising that
> you're having some difficulty adjusting to the platform-specific quirks.Once
> you work through them, things should be smooth.
>
> DIDO, you want a GUI inviornment in a unix python world, now that macs are
unix, you can have a unix python which is much less intrusive. If you keep
using IDLE instead of ipython and realize you dont have to install more
python, you'll be fine.
I realize I'm a cs major not a mathmatition or scientist so i use it
differently but I do all my programming as scripts and then execute them, i
only use it interactively when I want to test something out. Otherwise, have
u looked at R? http://www.r-project.org/

-- 

"lalalalala! it's not broken because I can use it"

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=194281&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=15927703
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From georgewr at bigpond.net.au  Mon Aug  4 00:43:28 2008
From: georgewr at bigpond.net.au (George Wright)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:43:28 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Installation of 2.5
In-Reply-To: <65fadfc30808021618k3af4c79rfeafecf8a29dc50d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.50.1217671215.6603.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<FE0DF25B-9AD4-43BD-A3E0-78E0CE18B155@bigpond.net.au>
	<65fadfc30808021618k3af4c79rfeafecf8a29dc50d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC6DE3E1-95B3-4686-B4C9-485287544F4F@bigpond.net.au>


On 03/08/2008, at 9:18 AM, Nehemiah Dacres wrote:

> r u talking about sandboxing? thats a little difficult, apple  
> didn't provide much documentation on that. there's 3rd party  
> documentation here
> http://www.318.com/techjournal/?p=107
>
Well no. Just a simple installation of python.org 2.5.2 behind a  
virtualenv
See for example these threads:
[Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel  
MacBook Pro Tiger
[Pythonmac-SIG] non-framework Python 2.5.2 has empty lib-dynload
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] problems with sys.path
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Leopard easy_install chokes on appscript egg
and maybe others

> or are u refering to this http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python- 
> dev/2006-July/067046.html
> that i referenced from here (do a string search for sandboxing)  
> http://old.itconnection.ru/pipermail/zopyrus/2006-August/083936.html
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:28 AM, George Wright  
> <georgewr at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Gidday
> I have just purchased a new MacBook with OS X 10.5.2 installed.
Actually the preinstalled is 2.5.1 - just a typo sorry.
> I want to set up a virtualenv with the latest python.org version of  
> 2.5
> There has been heaps of discussion on this list about this kind of  
> thing and I doubt If I have
> read and understood it all.
> Does anyone have a reference to a simple step by step "how to" for  
> this installation?
>



George Wright
georgewr at bigpond.net.au
http://mywebsite.bigpond.net.au/georgewr/
http://labyrinth.net.au/~gwright/



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From santagada at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 04:12:11 2008
From: santagada at gmail.com (Leonardo Santagada)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:12:11 -0300
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [py2app] problems running .app built on 10.5	on
	standard 10.4
In-Reply-To: <4E286598-0A14-4782-A0E9-4ACC985F3650@mac.com>
References: <1de4b0f00807310649s2b377f55pb17f7eb457cf948d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4891E972.3010107@noaa.gov>
	<4E286598-0A14-4782-A0E9-4ACC985F3650@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1A8CBC9C-C904-462E-8D3A-5F6960F98843@gmail.com>


On 31/07/2008, at 17:40, Mike Covill wrote:

> On 31-Jul-08, at 12:33 PM, Christopher Barker wrote:
>
>> Mike Keith wrote:
>>> are my problems down to the fact that i'm using apple's python 2.5  
>>> to
>>> build the .app?
>>
>> yes.
>>
>>> if so, any advice on how to proceed?
>>
>> Install the python.org python ,and use that to built your app -- it  
>> should then run on all systems >= 10.3.9
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>
>
> Corollary to installing python.org python (currently 2.5.2, I  
> believe), how can I install and use the PyObjC version 2.0 for  
> Leopard packages?  I have tried downloading the subversion copy of  
> PyObjC at "http://svn.red-bean.com/pyobjc/trunk" and the script  
> inside pyobjc fails (02-develop-all.sh).  Is this script working for  
> everyone else?
>
> Any hints would be appreciated, thanks.


I would like to know this, and if anything else is going to stop  
working how to fix it. Leopard's default python has support for  
Instruments right? Is this supported on python.org build?

--
Leonardo Santagada




From the_shelter at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 18:45:46 2008
From: the_shelter at yahoo.com (the Shelter)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app- python code packed in clear ascii
Message-ID: <656617.10764.qm@web56306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi,

after a lot of python programming on linux and windows I have now taken up the task of converting/ adapting my apps (python/wxPython) to the mac.
I tried to bundle my apps w/ py2app but had to find out that it seems like it packs my sources in clear ascii and not in binary form- somewhat unusual after having worked w/ py2exe ...

Am I missing something?

Right now I am on 10.4 w/ latest python and py2app- all from python.org- not the Apple versions.

thanX 


      

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Mon Aug  4 20:53:52 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] using py2app to include the python interpreter?
In-Reply-To: <2b5a48740808011747s3850e7e0w1d32d9a63c6b300e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b5a48740808011452k697c7f70kf840eea7d89889b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<rowen-31464F.17084601082008@news.gmane.org>
	<2b5a48740808011747s3850e7e0w1d32d9a63c6b300e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48975040.2010403@noaa.gov>

Patrick Li wrote:
> Thanks!  It took me further... However, I'm now getting the following 
> error.  Do you know what may cause this?
>   File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 178, 
> in load
>     raise ValueError("Unknown load command: %d" % (cmd_load.cmd,))
> ValueError: Unknown load command: 27

I think you need a newer macholib. I had hoped the would be updated in 
the latest release version, but I guess not. try:

$ easy_install macholib==dev

-Chris


-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
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7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

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From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Mon Aug  4 20:59:51 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Installation of 2.5
In-Reply-To: <FE0DF25B-9AD4-43BD-A3E0-78E0CE18B155@bigpond.net.au>
References: <mailman.50.1217671215.6603.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<FE0DF25B-9AD4-43BD-A3E0-78E0CE18B155@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <489751A7.1080909@noaa.gov>



George Wright wrote:
> Does anyone have a reference to a simple step by step "how to" for this 
> installation?

just got to python.,org, and download and install the 2.5.2 *.pkg.

Then make sure that any other packages you install are built for that 
version. There are some here:

http://pythonmac.org/packages/py25-fat/index.html

Though that's not being maintained well at this point :-(

The other option is to build from source:

$ python setup.py build
$ sudo python setup.py install

Which works with many packages. You do need to have the developer tools 
installed for this to work with C-coded extensions.

setuptools also often works:

$ easy_install ThePackageName

-Chris



-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

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From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Mon Aug  4 21:15:36 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:15:36 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Teething troubles - Getting up an running on a
	mac
In-Reply-To: <4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>
References: <9fb0d900808021939w2c5819ddo65e319d6ff2f3254@mail.gmail.com>
	<4895BCC7.8000008@codebykevin.com>
Message-ID: <48975558.9040002@noaa.gov>

Kevin Walzer wrote:
>> Item 2. I downloaded and installed the SciPy superpack from
>> Macinscience,org. Scipy seems to import correctly into the Python 
>> 2.5.1 that
>> comes with the Mac, but i cannot import it into MacPython 2.5.2.
> 
> Looks like it works with the System Python, not the one you installed?

The Superpack is supposed to install into either one. I think the key is 
to make sure that MacPython is the default one on your path before 
installing the superpack. What do you get if you type:

$ which python

At the command line? I get:

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/python

which is python.org python.

You can also try:

 >>> import datetime
 >>> datetime.__file__
'/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/datetime.so'

to see which python you are running -- the above is from python.org python

>> Question 3. What do I have to do in order to make SciPy work with both
>> Python 2.5.1 (that comes with the Mac) and 2.5.2 (that I installed 
>> myself)?

You may be able to install it in both places, but that can get ugly -- 
just choose one (and if you listen to me, you'll choose python.org version)

>> Item 3. I accidentally clicked on something (not sure what) and suddenly
>> found the path to the numpy folder was Macintosh HD > Developer > SDKs >
>> MacOSX10.5.sdk>System>
>> Library>Frameworks>Python.framework>Versions>2.5>extras>lib>Python>numpy.
>> This is insane!!!

It does seem so, but that may be their trick to get it seen by either 
version. wxPython installs into /usr/local/lib/, so that both pythons 
can see it.

Another option is to check out the Enthought Python Distribution. I 
haven't tried it yet, but there is a lot of nice stuff in there.

>> Question 4. How do I get MacPython 2.5.2 to see SciPy, NumPy etc.
>> Question 5. How can I find the current value of the PYTHONPATH 
>> environment variable,

echo $PYTHONPATH

>> and how can I edit it and add a directory in which I keep my
>> Python programs.

change it in your .profile folder. However, I have never needed to use 
it -- are you sure you do? If you have a bunch of your own pacakges, you 
might want to install them with:

easy_install develop

which seems less fragile than PYTHONPATH.

>> Question 6. Apparently there's a Property List Editor that must be 
>> used to
>> create a file called ~ /.MacOSX/environment.plist. I can't find a 
>> directory

I've never gotten this to work, but you're right, that's supposed to be 
how you can set an environment variable that will be seen everywhere, 
even outside of a login shell.

>> called ~/.MacOSX. Is this a hidden directory?

I recommend you figure out how to set the Finder to show hidden files -- 
it's really handy. I did it with a utility called "Tinker Tool" or 
something like that.


>> I never thought I'd say this, but it actually seemed a lot easier to get
>> Python and any associated programs up and running on Windows!

>  It isn't the same as Windows and other Unixes, so it's not surprising 
> that you're having some difficulty adjusting to the platform-specific 
> quirks.Once you work through them, things should be smooth.

Yes, but it really is a lot harder -- why? because There are WAY TOO 
MANY ways to get Python on the Mac. Almost everyone uses python.org on 
Windows (with a few using ActiveState, though they are very compatible), 
so that's what you do and you're done.

On the Mac, there is Apple's python, python.org's, fink, macports, 
build-your-own, ..... Then you have PPC, and Intel, and it's really a mess.

Can't we all just agree on using the python.org one?

Oh well,

-Chris


-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

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From mcovill at mac.com  Tue Aug  5 14:08:53 2008
From: mcovill at mac.com (Mike Covill)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:08:53 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app- python code packed in clear ascii
In-Reply-To: <656617.10764.qm@web56306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <656617.10764.qm@web56306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D3A69AE5-5938-4F8B-AB24-7F0D06F980BB@mac.com>

the shelter,

The last time I built an app bundle, the only source file from my code  
in plain ascii was my main.py file.  Everything else was precompiled  
and zipped up in a sub-folder.  So the strategy to hide all source  
code was to create a main.py file which simply imports another file  
containing what used to be in the main.py file, and run it from there.

Here are some py2app resources I found useful:

http://svn.pythonmac.org/py2app/py2app/trunk/doc/index.html
http://undefined.org/python/py2app.html

Mike


On 4-Aug-08, at 12:45 PM, the Shelter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> after a lot of python programming on linux and windows I have now  
> taken up the task of converting/ adapting my apps (python/wxPython)  
> to the mac.
> I tried to bundle my apps w/ py2app but had to find out that it  
> seems like it packs my sources in clear ascii and not in binary  
> form- somewhat unusual after having worked w/ py2exe ...
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Right now I am on 10.4 w/ latest python and py2app- all from  
> python.org- not the Apple versions.
>
> thanX
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From noboru.yamamoto at kek.jp  Wed Aug  6 08:48:57 2008
From: noboru.yamamoto at kek.jp (Noboru Yamamoto)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:48:57 +0900
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py access to speech synth?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9784.1217521894.920.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.9784.1217521894.920.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <48994959.5050808@kek.jp>

Hi David,

> Hello all,
> 
> Does anyone know whether there's any work being done on a python  
> interface to the OSX speech synthesiser?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ________________________________________________
> David Worrall.

I wrote the macspeechX.py for MacOSX sometime before.
You can just replace macspeech.py for Mac OS.
I just test it with python 2.4/2.5 and it uses ctype module to access 
system library.
You should be able to find the code at:

http://www-acc.kek.jp/WWW-ACC-exp/KEKB/control/member/N.Yamamoto/Python/macspeech/macspeechX.py


If you have problem to get the source code, please let me know.

Thanks.

Noboru

From anjiro at cc.gatech.edu  Wed Aug  6 20:43:16 2008
From: anjiro at cc.gatech.edu (Daniel Ashbrook)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] including python interpreter window?
Message-ID: <4899F0C4.5090801@cc.gatech.edu>

I've done some searching but can't exactly figure out how to do this. 
How can I include a menu item or somesuch that will bring up a live 
python interpreter window in my PyObjC app? I've seen the examples of 
injecting a python interpreter into a running app, but I want to build 
in the functionality (it seems like it would be awesome for debugging), 
and I think somewhere I saw a comment from Bob that it wouldn't work for 
PyObjC apps anyway...

Thanks for any help,


dan

From mattjomeara at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 22:37:47 2008
From: mattjomeara at gmail.com (Matthew O'Meara)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] module 'New' no in MacPython?
Message-ID: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I'm trying to port a swig based application to run on OSX.  But it
seems that MacPython does not build the module 'New' by default (upon
which Swig depends)?  Can someone confirm that this is the case and or
comment on it's status in past/current/future releases?



Thanks,
Matt

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Aug  6 22:43:44 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:43:44 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] module 'New' no in MacPython?
In-Reply-To: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489A0D00.70608@noaa.gov>

Matthew O'Meara wrote:
> I'm trying to port a swig based application to run on OSX.  But it
> seems that MacPython does not build the module 'New' by default

I haven't had any issues with SWIG on OS-X. I also have no idea what the 
module "New" is. Can you be more specific as to what exactly you are 
doing, and what errors you get?

You also may want to try on the SWIG list.

-chris


-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
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7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

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From mattjomeara at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 23:46:30 2008
From: mattjomeara at gmail.com (Matthew O'Meara)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:46:30 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] module 'New' no in MacPython?
In-Reply-To: <489A0D00.70608@noaa.gov>
References: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com>
	<489A0D00.70608@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <e8e2f1300808061446x7e767275tff986d96d6140070@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your quick response, It seems like the issue is due to
running python in an X11 terminal.  It seems to run fine through
Terminal.  I don't know if I'll dig into the problem, but that at
least gives me somewhere to look first.


Thanks again,

Matt


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Chris Barker <Chris.Barker at noaa.gov> wrote:
> Matthew O'Meara wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to port a swig based application to run on OSX.  But it
>> seems that MacPython does not build the module 'New' by default
>
> I haven't had any issues with SWIG on OS-X. I also have no idea what the
> module "New" is. Can you be more specific as to what exactly you are doing,
> and what errors you get?
>
> You also may want to try on the SWIG list.
>
> -chris
>
>
> --
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
> Oceanographer
>
> Emergency Response Division
> NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>
> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

From janssen at parc.com  Thu Aug  7 06:10:05 2008
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:10:05 PDT
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] module 'New' no in MacPython?
In-Reply-To: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08Aug6.211010pdt."58698"@synergy1.parc.xerox.com>

There is a Python standard library module called "new", and the Mac
filesystem is case-insensitive...  Try doing

   % touch new
   % touch New
   % ls

Bill

From pascal.bompard at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 15:34:27 2008
From: pascal.bompard at gmail.com (Pascal Bompard)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:34:27 +0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>

Returning to this 3 week old chestnut, (apologies for delay - my  
second child was born in the interim), and thanks to all who attempted  
to help, but I am still struggling with this issue.

> Christopher Barker wrote:
> If you have scripts you want to run from anywhere, make them  
> executable:

This is exactly what I need to occur with this particular script

> chmod a+x MyScript.py

permissions are set to 755 (i.e. full permissions)

> and put:  #!usr/bin/env python   at the top.

yes, that is in place

> Then either:
>
> put them in a standard place that should be on your PATH, like:
>
> /usr/local/bin
>
> or put the path to your scripts in your PATH -- often people use:
>
> ~/bin

I actually have this in my PATH,
/Users/pascal/Documents/Python/Dev/myapp

and with all the above I get:

Administrator:~ pascal$ python test.py
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/ 
Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: can't open file 'test.py': [Errno 2]  
No such file or directory

whereas calling the script from within it's parent directory does work.

What could I possibly be doing wrong here?

> do buy a book or surf the web for info about using the terminal on  
> OS-X -- it's a great skill to have.

You're right. I have recently acquired a great book called "From Bash  
to Z-Shell", but it's tough to retain all the tricks when I use the  
terminal so seldom.



> -Chris
>
> -- 
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
> Oceanographer
>
> Emergency Response Division
> NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>
> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From mcovill at mac.com  Thu Aug  7 15:45:57 2008
From: mcovill at mac.com (Mike Covill)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>

On 7-Aug-08, at 9:34 AM, Pascal Bompard wrote:

> Returning to this 3 week old chestnut, (apologies for delay - my  
> second child was born in the interim), and thanks to all who  
> attempted to help, but I am still struggling with this issue.
>
>> Christopher Barker wrote:
>> If you have scripts you want to run from anywhere, make them  
>> executable:
>
> This is exactly what I need to occur with this particular script
>
>> chmod a+x MyScript.py
>
> permissions are set to 755 (i.e. full permissions)
>
>> and put:  #!usr/bin/env python   at the top.
>
> yes, that is in place
>
>> Then either:
>>
>> put them in a standard place that should be on your PATH, like:
>>
>> /usr/local/bin
>>
>> or put the path to your scripts in your PATH -- often people use:
>>
>> ~/bin
>
> I actually have this in my PATH,
> /Users/pascal/Documents/Python/Dev/myapp
>
> and with all the above I get:
>
> Administrator:~ pascal$ python test.py
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/ 
> Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: can't open file 'test.py': [Errno  
> 2] No such file or directory
>
> whereas calling the script from within it's parent directory does  
> work.
>
> What could I possibly be doing wrong here?

Your PATH is only used to find the executable (python), not the  
document (test.py).  The document must include either the relative  
path from where you are, or the absolute path.

Mike

>
>
>> do buy a book or surf the web for info about using the terminal on  
>> OS-X -- it's a great skill to have.
>
> You're right. I have recently acquired a great book called "From  
> Bash to Z-Shell", but it's tough to retain all the tricks when I use  
> the terminal so seldom.
>
>
>
>> -Chris
>>
>> -- 
>> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
>> Oceanographer
>>
>> Emergency Response Division
>> NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
>> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
>> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>>
>> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From mcovill at mac.com  Thu Aug  7 15:58:26 2008
From: mcovill at mac.com (Mike Covill)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
	<B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ECFD68D8-E557-4D1B-AC67-E845BAEA0726@mac.com>


On 7-Aug-08, at 9:45 AM, Mike Covill wrote:

> On 7-Aug-08, at 9:34 AM, Pascal Bompard wrote:
>
>> Returning to this 3 week old chestnut, (apologies for delay - my  
>> second child was born in the interim), and thanks to all who  
>> attempted to help, but I am still struggling with this issue.
>>
>>> Christopher Barker wrote:
>>> If you have scripts you want to run from anywhere, make them  
>>> executable:
>>
>> This is exactly what I need to occur with this particular script
>>
>>> chmod a+x MyScript.py
>>
>> permissions are set to 755 (i.e. full permissions)
>>
>>> and put:  #!usr/bin/env python   at the top.
>>
>> yes, that is in place
>>
>>> Then either:
>>>
>>> put them in a standard place that should be on your PATH, like:
>>>
>>> /usr/local/bin
>>>
>>> or put the path to your scripts in your PATH -- often people use:
>>>
>>> ~/bin
>>
>> I actually have this in my PATH,
>> /Users/pascal/Documents/Python/Dev/myapp
>>
>> and with all the above I get:
>>
>> Administrator:~ pascal$ python test.py
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/ 
>> Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: can't open file 'test.py': [Errno  
>> 2] No such file or directory
>>
>> whereas calling the script from within it's parent directory does  
>> work.
>>
>> What could I possibly be doing wrong here?
>
> Your PATH is only used to find the executable (python), not the  
> document (test.py).  The document must include either the relative  
> path from where you are, or the absolute path.

You should be able to execute your script by typing just your script  
name from anywhere, leave out "python":

Administrator:~ pascal$ test.py

in this case test.py is the 'executable', and your system will look  
for it using your PATH setting.

Mike

>
>>
>>
>>> do buy a book or surf the web for info about using the terminal on  
>>> OS-X -- it's a great skill to have.
>>
>> You're right. I have recently acquired a great book called "From  
>> Bash to Z-Shell", but it's tough to retain all the tricks when I  
>> use the terminal so seldom.
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
>>> Oceanographer
>>>
>>> Emergency Response Division
>>> NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
>>> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
>>> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>>>
>>> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug  7 18:17:16 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:17:16 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] module 'New' no in MacPython?
In-Reply-To: <08Aug6.211010pdt.58698@synergy1.parc.xerox.com>
References: <e8e2f1300808061337jd6c9729re08245fdce02051f@mail.gmail.com>
	<08Aug6.211010pdt.58698@synergy1.parc.xerox.com>
Message-ID: <489B200C.4020607@noaa.gov>

Bill Janssen wrote:
> There is a Python standard library module called "new", and the Mac
> filesystem is case-insensitive...  Try doing
> 
>    % touch new
>    % touch New
>    % ls

case-insensitive, yet case-preserving -- weird. apparently the case 
preserving does effect *nix apps like python. You can:
import new

but not:

import New

but if it's called "new" on other systems, why was the OP having problems?

Matthew O'Meara wrote:

> Thanks for your quick response, It seems like the issue is due to
> running python in an X11 terminal.  It seems to run fine through
> Terminal.  I don't know if I'll dig into the problem, but that at
> least gives me somewhere to look first.

Are you sure you're running the same python from the X11 terminal as 
from Terminal? is your PATH the same? Have you installed fink, macports, 
or some other python?

-Chris



-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From timothy.grant at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 18:28:44 2008
From: timothy.grant at gmail.com (Timothy Grant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <ECFD68D8-E557-4D1B-AC67-E845BAEA0726@mac.com>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
	<B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>
	<ECFD68D8-E557-4D1B-AC67-E845BAEA0726@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e775286d0808070928l5273feaduaf4bcdbb30226dd4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Mike Covill <mcovill at mac.com> wrote:
>
> On 7-Aug-08, at 9:45 AM, Mike Covill wrote:
>
>> On 7-Aug-08, at 9:34 AM, Pascal Bompard wrote:
>>
>>> Returning to this 3 week old chestnut, (apologies for delay - my second
>>> child was born in the interim), and thanks to all who attempted to help, but
>>> I am still struggling with this issue.
>>>
>>>> Christopher Barker wrote:
>>>> If you have scripts you want to run from anywhere, make them executable:
>>>
>>> This is exactly what I need to occur with this particular script
>>>
>>>> chmod a+x MyScript.py
>>>
>>> permissions are set to 755 (i.e. full permissions)
>>>
>>>> and put:  #!usr/bin/env python   at the top.
>>>
>>> yes, that is in place
>>>
>>>> Then either:
>>>>
>>>> put them in a standard place that should be on your PATH, like:
>>>>
>>>> /usr/local/bin
>>>>
>>>> or put the path to your scripts in your PATH -- often people use:
>>>>
>>>> ~/bin
>>>
>>> I actually have this in my PATH,
>>> /Users/pascal/Documents/Python/Dev/myapp
>>>
>>> and with all the above I get:
>>>
>>> Administrator:~ pascal$ python test.py
>>>
>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python:
>>> can't open file 'test.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
>>>
>>> whereas calling the script from within it's parent directory does work.
>>>
>>> What could I possibly be doing wrong here?
>>
>> Your PATH is only used to find the executable (python), not the document
>> (test.py).  The document must include either the relative path from where
>> you are, or the absolute path.
>
> You should be able to execute your script by typing just your script name
> from anywhere, leave out "python":
>
> Administrator:~ pascal$ test.py
>
> in this case test.py is the 'executable', and your system will look for it
> using your PATH setting.
>
> Mike
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> do buy a book or surf the web for info about using the terminal on OS-X
>>>> -- it's a great skill to have.
>>>
>>> You're right. I have recently acquired a great book called "From Bash to
>>> Z-Shell", but it's tough to retain all the tricks when I use the terminal so
>>> seldom.

While command lines can be made to lie, it concerns me that it looks
like you're using and Administrator account to do all this work.
Administrators have far to much power and can do far too much damage
far too quickly. Especially if you're writing code that might
manipulate any files, I would strongly encourage you to use a regular
user account for doing your real work and only log in as an
administrator when required.

Of course if the command line was lying about the type of account
you're using completely ignore the previous paragraph.

-- 
Stand Fast,
tjg.  [Timothy Grant]

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug  7 18:48:51 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:48:51 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <e775286d0808070928l5273feaduaf4bcdbb30226dd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
	<B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>
	<ECFD68D8-E557-4D1B-AC67-E845BAEA0726@mac.com>
	<e775286d0808070928l5273feaduaf4bcdbb30226dd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489B2773.3070103@noaa.gov>

Timothy Grant wrote:

> While command lines can be made to lie, it concerns me that it looks
> like you're using and Administrator account to do all this work.
> Administrators have far to much power and can do far too much damage
> far too quickly.

very true. However, OS-X be default does not allow anyone to log in as 
root. An "Administrator" is someone that is allowed to use sudo to do 
administrative tasks, so he's probably safe.

Do be careful with sudo though!

-Chris



-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From timothy.grant at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 20:27:11 2008
From: timothy.grant at gmail.com (Timothy Grant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:27:11 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <489B2773.3070103@noaa.gov>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
	<B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>
	<ECFD68D8-E557-4D1B-AC67-E845BAEA0726@mac.com>
	<e775286d0808070928l5273feaduaf4bcdbb30226dd4@mail.gmail.com>
	<489B2773.3070103@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <e775286d0808071127r52c4b92dqdf8f6c55fb5ca31b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Chris Barker <Chris.Barker at noaa.gov> wrote:
> Timothy Grant wrote:
>
>> While command lines can be made to lie, it concerns me that it looks
>> like you're using and Administrator account to do all this work.
>> Administrators have far to much power and can do far too much damage
>> far too quickly.
>
> very true. However, OS-X be default does not allow anyone to log in as root.
> An "Administrator" is someone that is allowed to use sudo to do
> administrative tasks, so he's probably safe.
>
> Do be careful with sudo though!
>
> -Chris

Wow Chris, I've been using this PowerBook for nigh-unto four years
now, vast quantities of that time at the command prompt and I didn't
know that (I thought they were synonymous).

Thank you for teaching me something new.

-- 
Stand Fast,
tjg.  [Timothy Grant]

From christopher.e.kees at usace.army.mil  Thu Aug  7 20:16:10 2008
From: christopher.e.kees at usace.army.mil (Chris Kees)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:16:10 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.6 trunk
Message-ID: <74320681-2C94-40E2-B1C9-6A5327B8FF92@usace.army.mil>

Hi,

I'm trying to rebuild my 4-way universal framework build of python 2.6  
using the latest revision in the trunk.  I  got a compile error due to  
a redefinition of FSIORefNum in some of the Mac/Modules files (see   
svn diff output at end of email).  After changing that, I still get a  
problem running 'make test' at 'test_array'. My machine starts  
grinding away and the resident memory of the python process goes  
through the roof.  I went ahead and tried 'make  install' anyway, and  
got  the problem below, which looks like a simple error in a config  
file.  Has anybody seen these problems or have any suggestions? I may  
just need to roll it back to Ronald's revision (63955), but I thought  
I would try a more recent version.

Thanks,
Chris

python-trunk/build: arch -386 -ppc ../python.exe ../../Mac/scripts/ 
cachersrc.py -v /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/ 
lib/python2.6/plat-mac /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/ 
2.6/Mac/Tools
arch: Unknown architecture: 386


Index: Mac/Modules/MacOS.c
===================================================================
--- Mac/Modules/MacOS.c	(revision 65574)
+++ Mac/Modules/MacOS.c	(working copy)
@@ -30,10 +30,6 @@
  #include <Carbon/Carbon.h>
  #include <ApplicationServices/ApplicationServices.h>

-#ifndef HAVE_MACOS105_SDK
-typedef SInt16	FSIORefNum;
-#endif
-
  static PyObject *MacOS_Error; /* Exception MacOS.Error */

  #define PATHNAMELEN 1024
Index: Mac/Modules/file/_Filemodule.c
===================================================================
--- Mac/Modules/file/_Filemodule.c	(revision 65574)
+++ Mac/Modules/file/_Filemodule.c	(working copy)
@@ -7,10 +7,6 @@

  #include "pymactoolbox.h"

-#ifndef HAVE_MACOS105_SDK
-typedef SInt16	FSIORefNum;
-#endif
-
  /* Macro to test whether a weak-loaded CFM function exists */
  #define PyMac_PRECHECK(rtn) do { if ( &rtn == NULL )  {\
          PyErr_SetString(PyExc_NotImplementedError, \


From xkenneth at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 21:32:44 2008
From: xkenneth at gmail.com (Kenneth Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
Message-ID: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>

Has anyone had success with this?

This is what I'm encountering.

Here i printed the sys.path, why does this include modules local to  
the machine? I want it to be independent of any local resources?

8/7/08 2:22:55 PM ['/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/dist/ 
MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources', '/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/ 
tkpyro/dist/MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources', '/System/Library/ 
Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python25.zip', '/System/ 
Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5', '/ 
System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/ 
plat-darwin', '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ 
2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac', '/System/Library/Frameworks/ 
Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac/lib- 
scriptpackages', '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ 
2.5/Extras/lib/python', '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/ 
Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-tk', '/System/Library/Frameworks/ 
Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload', '/Users/ 
xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/dist/MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources/ 
lib/python2.5/site-packages.zip', '/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/ 
tkpyro/dist/MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources/Python/site-packages']  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]

Here's the traceback of the error.

8/7/08 2:22:55 PM Traceback (most recent call last):  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM   File "/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/dist/ 
MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", line 31, in <module>  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM     _run('main.py')  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM   File "/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/dist/ 
MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", line 28, in _run  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM     execfile(path, globals(), globals())  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM   File "/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/dist/ 
MWDConfig.app/Contents/Resources/main.py", line 3, in <module>  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM     from tkpyro import run  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM   File "tkpyro/__init__.pyc", line 2, in <module>  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM   File "lxml/etree.pyc", line 18, in <module>  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM   File "lxml/etree.pyc", line 15, in __load  
[0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM ImportError: '/System/Library/Frameworks/ 
Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/lxml/etree.so'  
not found [0x0-0x59059].org.pythonmac.unspecified.MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM MWDConfig Error MWDConfig[1483]
8/7/08 2:22:55 PM MWDConfig Error
An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script

ImportError: '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/ 
lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/lxml/etree.so' not found
  MWDConfig[1483]


So it's looking for etree.so here:
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/ 
lib-dynload/lxml/etree.so

But it exists here in the app:
./Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/lxml

Note:
	I'm using __import__ in certain sections of my code, but it's choking  
before it gets to this.

Anyone have any ideas?

Regards,
Ken




From anjiro at cc.gatech.edu  Thu Aug  7 22:48:02 2008
From: anjiro at cc.gatech.edu (Daniel Ashbrook)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
Message-ID: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>

Anybody know how to make #pragma mark work with python in xcode?


dan

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug  7 22:59:41 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
In-Reply-To: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>
References: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>

Kenneth Miller wrote:
> This is what I'm encountering.
> 
> Here i printed the sys.path, why does this include modules local to the 
> machine? I want it to be independent of any local resources?
> '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5', 

This is Apple's installed python. by default, if you run py2app with 
Apple's system python, it will link to that, rather than embedding all 
of python with it.

I don't know if you can override that, but if you want your app bundle 
to run on pre 10.5 machines, you need to install the python.org python, 
and use that. py2app will embed the whole thing in your app bundle, and 
it should run on any max, OS-X 10.3.9 and above.

I don't know if there are any special issues with LXML, but I'd get a 
simple app with only the standard library working first, and then try 
your full app.

-Chris




-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From xkenneth at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 23:03:24 2008
From: xkenneth at gmail.com (Kenneth Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
In-Reply-To: <489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>
References: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>
	<489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>

Chris,

     How can I build python to link to the OS X Tkinter libraries?  
That's the ONLY reason I'm using the system python. I usually use the  
python built by macports.

Regards,
Ken

On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Chris Barker wrote:

> Kenneth Miller wrote:
>> This is what I'm encountering.
>> Here i printed the sys.path, why does this include modules local to  
>> the machine? I want it to be independent of any local resources?
>> '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
>> python2.5',
>
> This is Apple's installed python. by default, if you run py2app with  
> Apple's system python, it will link to that, rather than embedding  
> all of python with it.
>
> I don't know if you can override that, but if you want your app  
> bundle to run on pre 10.5 machines, you need to install the  
> python.org python, and use that. py2app will embed the whole thing  
> in your app bundle, and it should run on any max, OS-X 10.3.9 and  
> above.
>
> I don't know if there are any special issues with LXML, but I'd get  
> a simple app with only the standard library working first, and then  
> try your full app.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
>
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From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Fri Aug  8 00:18:26 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
In-Reply-To: <6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>
References: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>
	<489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>
	<6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489B74B2.9000702@noaa.gov>

Kenneth Miller wrote:
>     How can I build python to link to the OS X Tkinter libraries? That's 
> the ONLY reason I'm using the system python. I usually use the python 
> built by macports.

I'm pretty sure the build you get from python.org works fine with 
Tkinter -- it is well integerated with OS-X, rather than separate and 
"unixy" like macports and fink.

-Chris




From pascal.bompard at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 04:20:54 2008
From: pascal.bompard at gmail.com (Pascal Bompard)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:20:54 +0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <ECFD68D8-E557-4D1B-AC67-E845BAEA0726@mac.com>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
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	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
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Thank you! This solved it for me.

I knew it had to be something as ridiculously n00bish as keeping  
"python" in the script call.

On 07/08/2008, at 9:58 PM, Mike Covill wrote:

> You should be able to execute your script by typing just your script  
> name from anywhere, leave out "python":
>
> Administrator:~ pascal$ test.py
>
> in this case test.py is the 'executable', and your system will look  
> for it using your PATH setting.


From krabby at mac.com  Fri Aug  8 07:29:22 2008
From: krabby at mac.com (Mike Keith)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:29:22 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
In-Reply-To: <489B74B2.9000702@noaa.gov>
References: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>
	<489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>
	<6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>
	<489B74B2.9000702@noaa.gov>
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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Christopher Barker
<Chris.Barker at noaa.gov> wrote:
> Kenneth Miller wrote:
>>
>>    How can I build python to link to the OS X Tkinter libraries? That's
>> the ONLY reason I'm using the system python. I usually use the python built
>> by macports.
>
> I'm pretty sure the build you get from python.org works fine with Tkinter --
> it is well integerated with OS-X, rather than separate and "unixy" like
> macports and fink.

i used the python.org build for exactly this (a script using Tkinter)
and it worked great.

cheers,

Mike

From kw at codebykevin.com  Fri Aug  8 16:00:18 2008
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
In-Reply-To: <6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>
References: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>	<489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>
	<6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489C5172.5080803@codebykevin.com>

Kenneth Miller wrote:
> Chris,
> 
>     How can I build python to link to the OS X Tkinter libraries? That's 
> the ONLY reason I'm using the system python. I usually use the python 
> built by macports.
> 
> Regards,
> Ken
> 

You can build Python yourself using the source code at Python.org. I 
think the flags are ./configure  --enable-framework 
--enable-universalsdk. That will link to the system Tcl/Tk installation.

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From xkenneth at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 16:06:31 2008
From: xkenneth at gmail.com (Kenneth Miller)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:06:31 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] LXML with py2app
In-Reply-To: <489B74B2.9000702@noaa.gov>
References: <A76BEEBD-E9A1-43C2-B587-3274A22ACD7F@mac.com>
	<489B623D.90905@noaa.gov>
	<6AEA8ED3-A920-4E2B-8E28-9270433E3B9D@gmail.com>
	<489B74B2.9000702@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <ED73341E-8BFB-417D-9D9E-71C767D53EB5@gmail.com>

Alright,

    So i get macpython, and after this is the problem I run into..

Installed /Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/altgraph-0.6.7-py2.5.egg
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 17, in <module>
    setup_requires = modules,
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
python2.5/distutils/core.py", line 112, in setup
    _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c8-py2.5.egg/setuptools/ 
dist.py", line 223, in __init__
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
python2.5/distutils/dist.py", line 267, in __init__
    self.finalize_options()
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c8-py2.5.egg/setuptools/ 
dist.py", line 256, in finalize_options
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c8-py2.5.egg/pkg_resources.py",  
line 1912, in load
  File "/Users/xkenneth/work/mwdconfig/tkpyro/py2app-0.3.6-py2.5.egg/ 
py2app/build_app.py", line 27, in <module>
    import macholib.MachOStandalone
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOStandalone.py",  
line 8, in <module>
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOGraph.py", line  
17, in <module>
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachO.py", line 15,  
in <module>
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/util.py", line 56,  
in <module>
TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases
    cannot create 'builtin_function_or_method' instances


Any ideas?

Regards,
Ken

On Aug 7, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Christopher Barker wrote:

> Kenneth Miller wrote:
>>    How can I build python to link to the OS X Tkinter libraries?  
>> That's the ONLY reason I'm using the system python. I usually use  
>> the python built by macports.
>
> I'm pretty sure the build you get from python.org works fine with  
> Tkinter -- it is well integerated with OS-X, rather than separate  
> and "unixy" like macports and fink.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>


From vivacarlie at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 16:11:55 2008
From: vivacarlie at gmail.com (Nehemiah Dacres)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Yet another problem with path
In-Reply-To: <7BB6D438-821B-45BC-8FC7-E5314E84967B@gmail.com>
References: <7FCB2300-D7D7-4205-87CB-62014F590F85@gmail.com>
	<487AAC30.2080808@codebykevin.com>
	<6FFC88EC-39E1-4A18-8D71-5ED6206094B6@gmail.com>
	<487AB0D4.6080607@codebykevin.com>
	<0EFC7A38-5599-460C-99F9-2A0FD59C59BA@gmail.com>
	<487BA49E.4000206@noaa.gov>
	<B9D88428-F91D-4A74-8CF1-A7367E719B0B@gmail.com>
	<B859EA7D-ECC0-44E0-A780-AAC9726243EA@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <65fadfc30808080711m20de968cpfdf0c9606b3238bc@mail.gmail.com>

have all of you forgotten that the current directory isn't in the path
either? to excecute a script in the current directory at the command line,
you type at the '$'
$ ./MyScript
else you do
$python MyScript
but then you wouldn't need the 'shebang' line '#!/bin/env python' or
'#!/usr/bin/python

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Pascal Bompard <pascal.bompard at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thank you! This solved it for me.
>
> I knew it had to be something as ridiculously n00bish as keeping "python"
> in the script call.
>
> On 07/08/2008, at 9:58 PM, Mike Covill wrote:
>
>  You should be able to execute your script by typing just your script name
>> from anywhere, leave out "python":
>>
>> Administrator:~ pascal$ test.py
>>
>> in this case test.py is the 'executable', and your system will look for it
>> using your PATH setting.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>



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From vivacarlie at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 18:36:48 2008
From: vivacarlie at gmail.com (Nehemiah Dacres)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:36:48 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>

python has pragmas? I dont thinks so

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Daniel Ashbrook <anjiro at cc.gatech.edu>wrote:

> Anybody know how to make #pragma mark work with python in xcode?
>
>
> dan
> _______________________________________________
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From bwinton at latte.ca  Fri Aug  8 18:45:12 2008
From: bwinton at latte.ca (Blake Winton)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:45:12 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>

Nehemiah Dacres wrote:
> Daniel Ashbrook wrote:
>> Anybody know how to make #pragma mark work with python in xcode?
> python has pragmas? I dont thinks so

No, but XCode has pragmas.  Well, #pragma mark at least.

Sadly, Dan, I don't know the answer to your question, but I am 
interested in any (intelligent) replies you get, because I've been using 
the #pragma mark in my Objective-C stuff for a while, and found it quite 
handy.

Thanks,
Blake.


From negativesum at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 23:52:07 2008
From: negativesum at gmail.com (David Hostetler)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:52:07 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Help! I can't get py2app v0.4.2 to correctly embed
	Authorization
Message-ID: <687a7c670808081452x8c6be67i15b957243eb3cf5e@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to build a fairly simple app (on osx 10.5.4) that leverages
the Authorization module (v0.1).

The py2app build succeeds, but when I run the app, I get an exception that says:

'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/Authorization/_Authorization.so'
not found

A bit of investigation makes this look like a macholib problem - i.e.
it's not correcting the path reference to use the
'@execution_path/../Frameworks/etc/etc..' stunt which would allow the
app to use a relative copy.

I can't figure out how to get this to work correctly.

I'm on the svn tip of py2app as well as all of the associated
dependencies (macholib, modulegraph, altgraph, etc..).

Note that in my resulting app bundle, there is *nothing* in
Contents/Frameworks, but there is a '_Authorization.so' in
Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/Authorization/.

Am I failing to pass some critical option to my setup.py?

I'm not particularly OSX saavy, so any help is appreciated.

regards,

-David

From nabble.5.warren at recursor.net  Sat Aug  9 00:20:47 2008
From: nabble.5.warren at recursor.net (Warren Harris)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG]  managing python 2.4 and 2.5 on leopard
Message-ID: <18899870.post@talk.nabble.com>


I'm trying to understand the correct way to manage both a 2.4 and 2.5
installation on the same machine (mac 10.5.4). Actually, I have several
installed already, and I'd like to clean up this mess, but I'm afraid of
breaking things. Here's what I have installed:

1) python that comes with leopard: 

$ /usr/bin/python -V
Python 2.5.1
$ ll /usr/bin/python
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  72 Mar  2 23:58 /usr/bin/python@ ->
../../System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/python

2) python installed by macports (can't remember why I seemed to need this,
or that the system python wasn't enough):

$ /opt/local/bin/python2.5 -V
Python 2.5.2

3) python 2.4 installed from dmg:
http://www.pythonmac.org/packages/py24-fat/dmg/python-2.4.4-macosx2006-10-18.dmg
(I had tried to install 2.4 from macports, but this failed for some reason
-- I needed 2.4 for a project):

$ /usr/local/bin/python -V
Python 2.4.4
$ ll /usr/local/bin/python 
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  68 Jul 24 16:24 /usr/local/bin/python@ ->
../../../Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python

4) looks like I've got a 2.3 installed too
(/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3)

My questions are: 

- Is there a better way to install 2.4 to live along side 2.5?
- How to uninstall the 2.4 version cleanly?
- Why does one live under /System/Library and the other under /Library (I
notice a bunch of things under /Library that appear to be duplicates, e.g.
perl, tcl, etc)?
- Should I upgrade my system 2.5 version to 2.5.2 (and the correct method)?

Thanks,

wh

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From georg.seifert at gmx.de  Sat Aug  9 17:56:31 2008
From: georg.seifert at gmx.de (Georg Seifert)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:56:31 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with Framework
Message-ID: <63E50C2B-DA5C-49DB-BC9C-FC04C1B7B0F4@gmx.de>

Hello,

I use some python code in my Cocoa app witch target Leopard.

main.m:

#import <Python/Python.h>

and:

Py_Initialize();

in my code I use:

PyRun_SimpleString(..)

It works fine on my machine but on other machines it crashes on  
startup with:

Date/Time:       2008-08-07 00:08:39.219 +0100
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.5.4 (9E17)
Report Version:  6

Exception Type:  EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread:  0

Dyld Error Message:
   Library not loaded: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ 
2.4/Python
   Referenced from: /Users/Tim/Desktop/Pantografer.app/Contents/MacOS/ 
Pantografer
   Reason: image not found

I do not have any python 2.4 on my machine and link again the 2.5  
framework.

what could be wrong.

Thanks
Georg

From georg.seifert at gmx.de  Sun Aug 10 12:06:10 2008
From: georg.seifert at gmx.de (Georg Seifert)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:06:10 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with Framework
In-Reply-To: <E36562D0-DCA7-4542-AC57-C41C718421C4@cwi.nl>
References: <63E50C2B-DA5C-49DB-BC9C-FC04C1B7B0F4@gmx.de>
	<E36562D0-DCA7-4542-AC57-C41C718421C4@cwi.nl>
Message-ID: <F13F182C-8802-42F2-B82D-65E08B028348@gmx.de>

is there a way to select witch framework to use?

Georg
>
> On  9-Aug-2008, at 17:56 , Georg Seifert wrote:
>
>> Dyld Error Message:
>>  Library not loaded: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ 
>> 2.4/Python
>>  Referenced from: /Users/Tim/Desktop/Pantografer.app/Contents/MacOS/ 
>> Pantografer
>>  Reason: image not found
>
> Here's the smoking gun: it tries to load a user-installed copy of  
> Python 2.4 which doesn't exist.
>
> I assume that on your development machine you have 2.4 installed,  
> and /Library (with the user-installed 2.4) takes precedence over / 
> System/Library (with the Apple-installed 2.5) when you built the app.
>
>
> --
> Jack Jansen, <Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack
> If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma  
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From Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl  Sun Aug 10 21:39:58 2008
From: Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl (Jack Jansen)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:39:58 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with Framework
In-Reply-To: <F13F182C-8802-42F2-B82D-65E08B028348@gmx.de>
References: <63E50C2B-DA5C-49DB-BC9C-FC04C1B7B0F4@gmx.de>
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On 10-Aug-2008, at 12:06 , Georg Seifert wrote:

> is there a way to select witch framework to use?

I've never found one. I have two tricks (working together) I use when  
I build software to distribute:
1. After building my distribution, I run a script   
"testdependencies" (attached to this message) that uses otool -L to  
ensure all dependencies are in Apple-maintained locations (i.e. no / 
Library, no /usr/local, etc).
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2. If this script returns a warning (about one out of two times:-) I  
do a temporary "sudo chmod 0 /usr/local /Library/Frameworks/ 
Python ..." and rebuild the whole distribution. If there's anything  
that I really need from /Library or /usr/local I copy it into the  
bundle and mangle the name with install_name_tool. For Python-based  
projects py2app can do this for you, too.

>
> Georg
>>
>> On  9-Aug-2008, at 17:56 , Georg Seifert wrote:
>>
>>> Dyld Error Message:
>>>  Library not loaded: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ 
>>> 2.4/Python
>>>  Referenced from: /Users/Tim/Desktop/Pantografer.app/Contents/ 
>>> MacOS/Pantografer
>>>  Reason: image not found
>>
>> Here's the smoking gun: it tries to load a user-installed copy of  
>> Python 2.4 which doesn't exist.
>>
>> I assume that on your development machine you have 2.4 installed,  
>> and /Library (with the user-installed 2.4) takes precedence over / 
>> System/Library (with the Apple-installed 2.5) when you built the app.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jack Jansen, <Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack
>> If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma  
>> Goldman
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Mon Aug 11 06:03:40 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:03:40 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] managing python 2.4 and 2.5 on leopard
In-Reply-To: <18899870.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <18899870.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <489FBA1C.5020204@noaa.gov>

Warren Harris wrote:
> I'm trying to understand the correct way to manage both a 2.4 and 2.5
> installation on the same machine (mac 10.5.4). Actually, I have several
> installed already, and I'd like to clean up this mess, but I'm afraid of
> breaking things. 

You'll only break things if the things you uninstall are using them!

Anyway, here is my advise:

For 2.5: use either Apple's or the one from python .org. You can search 
this list for pluses and minuses, but I'd go with python.org's. A bit 
more about that later...

> 1) python that comes with leopard: 

This is Apple's -- don't mess with it -- Apple uses it for some utilities.

> 2) python installed by macports (can't remember why I seemed to need this,
> or that the system python wasn't enough):

If you're not using macports for other stuff, I'd get rid of this one.

> 3) python 2.4 installed from dmg:
> http://www.pythonmac.org/packages/py24-fat/dmg/python-2.4.4-macosx2006-10-18.dmg
> -- I needed 2.4 for a project):

If you still need 2.4 for something then keep this one.

> 4) looks like I've got a 2.3 installed too
> (/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3)

If you're not using it, you don't need it, but it won't hurt to have it 
there.

> - Is there a better way to install 2.4 to live along side 2.5?

nope, you've got it fine.

> - How to uninstall the 2.4 version cleanly?

1) you don't need to -- it won't hurt to have it there.
2) delete: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4
    delete whatever says 2.4 under Applications/MacPython (I think -- I 
don't have a mac at home)

> - Why does one live under /System/Library and the other under /Library (I
> notice a bunch of things under /Library that appear to be duplicates, e.g.
> perl, tcl, etc)?

/System is for stuff installed and maintained by Apple -- don't mess 
with anything there.

/Library is for stuff installed by third parties -- that's where you put 
an updated python, etc.

> - Should I upgrade my system 2.5 version to 2.5.2 (and the correct method)?

No. Do not upgrade anything of Apple's. However, you might want 2.5.2, 
in which case, install the binary from python.org, it will go into 
/Library/Frameworks/...

Any number of python installations can live quite happily on one system. 
The question is, which do you get when you type:

$ python

That will be determined by your PATH environment variable. Type:

$ echo $PATH

to see what yours is. YOU can change it by editing your ~/.profile or 
~./bash_profile file (whichever you have).

Once you've got the one you want as default, you can get another one by 
typing:

$ python24

or

$ python25

(or putting that in your #! line)

Any extra packages you need will need to be installed in the version you 
want them for, maybe one for each version. If you install binaries, make 
sure they are for the version you want. If you install with setup.py, 
make sure to run setup.py with the version you want. If you use 
easy_install, it's a bit trickier. easy_install will use one of them by 
default. I'm not entirely sure how to get it to use another python -- 
I'd have to poke around a bit on my Mac. Maybe someone else here knows.

-Chris


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From anjiro at cc.gatech.edu  Mon Aug 11 14:45:19 2008
From: anjiro at cc.gatech.edu (Daniel Ashbrook)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:45:19 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Can't import QTKit: Fatal Python error
Message-ID: <48A0345F.1040206@cc.gatech.edu>

When I try to import QTKit and build and run my app, I get "Fatal Python 
error: Interpreter not initialized (version mismatch?)". Any ideas?


dan

From porter.mike at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 15:25:52 2008
From: porter.mike at gmail.com (Mike Porter)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:25:52 -0300
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app OpenGL example error
Message-ID: <b355ab670808110625h49364ad5tbe905635baaa9f5c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am unable to run an app of the OpenGL example (found at
http://svn.pythonmac.org/py2app/py2app/trunk/examples/PyOpenGL/) using
py2app.

The app is created successfully, but when I run it I get "ImportError:
No module named OpenGL.GL".

If I look inside the app, the OpenGL directory is there (in
Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5/)... so I know it is being copied
from my Python site-packages folder.

The script itself (lesson5.py) runs fine.

Using --alias or --packages OpenGL doesn't help.

I tried re-installing both py2app and PyOpenGL, and have searched the
mailing list archives to no avail.

If anyone can suggest why I might be getting this error, I would
appreciate the help.

Thanks,
Mike Porter

From vivacarlie at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 16:21:41 2008
From: vivacarlie at gmail.com (Nehemiah Dacres)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:21:41 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
	<489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
Message-ID: <65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Blake Winton <bwinton at latte.ca> wrote:

> Nehemiah Dacres wrote:
>
>> Daniel Ashbrook wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody know how to make #pragma mark work with python in xcode?
>>>
>> python has pragmas? I dont thinks so
>>
>
> No, but XCode has pragmas.  Well, #pragma mark at least.
>
> Sadly, Dan, I don't know the answer to your question, but I am interested
> in any (intelligent) replies you get, because I've been using the #pragma
> mark in my Objective-C stuff for a while, and found it quite handy.
>
> Thanks,
> Blake.
>
>
What are u using a #pragma for in python? You See that POUND sign your
using, thats a COMPILER DIRECTIVE, python is an interpreted scripting
language, no PREPROCESSING allowed , (except for the .pyc code but thats
compiled if you want to get technical with me)
Am I misinterpreting you intentions?

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From anjiro at cc.gatech.edu  Mon Aug 11 17:10:38 2008
From: anjiro at cc.gatech.edu (Daniel Ashbrook)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:10:38 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>	
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>	
	<489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
	<65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>

Nehemiah Dacres wrote:
  > What are u using a #pragma for in python? You See that POUND sign your
> using, thats a COMPILER DIRECTIVE, python is an interpreted scripting 
> language, no PREPROCESSING allowed , (except for the .pyc code but thats 
> compiled if you want to get technical with me)
> Am I misinterpreting you intentions?

Yes.

Xcode supports "#pragma mark foo" that puts "foo" into a dropdown menu 
above your code in the editor so you can quickly jump between sections.


dan

From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Mon Aug 11 19:50:13 2008
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:50:13 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with Framework
In-Reply-To: <mailman.44.1218448818.16542.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.44.1218448818.16542.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <9FF037A4-D85F-4359-8B9C-746095F2E0B6@virgin.net>

Georg Seifert wrote:

> is there a way to select witch framework to use?


You need to bind the framework yourself rather than using #import,  
e.g. see py2app's bundletemplate/src/main.m, or PyOSA's pythonloader.c  
file.

HTH

has
-- 
Control AppleScriptable applications from Python, Ruby and ObjC:
http://appscript.sourceforge.net


From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Mon Aug 11 22:02:43 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:02:43 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
	<489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
	<65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <48A09AE3.2060206@noaa.gov>

Daniel Ashbrook wrote:
> Xcode supports "#pragma mark foo" that puts "foo" into a dropdown menu 
> above your code in the editor so you can quickly jump between sections.


As "#" is a comment in python, it certainly could be done just the same 
way, but not if Apple hasn't enabled that.

Well, XCode, as a rule, does not support python that well. Nor does 
Apple show any intention of opening up XCode so that good 
language-specific modes could be written by third parties. So I suggest 
you find another editor!

-Chris




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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Aug 12 14:30:43 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.6 trunk
In-Reply-To: <74320681-2C94-40E2-B1C9-6A5327B8FF92@usace.army.mil>
References: <74320681-2C94-40E2-B1C9-6A5327B8FF92@usace.army.mil>
Message-ID: <F4719029-C6D7-43DA-8A1A-08A4093BBA17@mac.com>


On 7 Aug, 2008, at 20:16, Chris Kees wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to rebuild my 4-way universal framework build of python  
> 2.6 using the latest revision in the trunk.  I  got a compile error  
> due to a redefinition of FSIORefNum in some of the Mac/Modules files  
> (see  svn diff output at end of email).  After changing that, I  
> still get a problem running 'make test' at 'test_array'. My machine  
> starts grinding away and the resident memory of the python process  
> goes through the roof.

I have the same problems when testing, that's due to exterme memory  
usage in the testset. I had to reset my machine the last time I tried  
to run the tests. At least one test creates a list a very large numer  
of elements (look for test_overflow in Lib/test/test_list.py).

> I went ahead and tried 'make  install' anyway, and got  the problem  
> below, which looks like a simple error in a config file.  Has  
> anybody seen these problems or have any suggestions? I may just need  
> to roll it back to Ronald's revision (63955), but I thought I would  
> try a more recent version.

For some reason configure doesn't seem to have detected that the 10.5  
SDK. Are you building on OSX 10.5? If so, could you check pyconfig.h  
to check if HAVE_MACOS105_SDK is defined? (Which it should be when  
you're building a 4-way universal binary).

Reverting to the 63955 version wouldn't be helpful in this case, the  
typedef on the trunk is needed to ensure that the code compiles on 10.4.

BTW. I build the 4-way universal framework using:

mkdir build64
../configure --with-universal-archs=all  --with-framework- 
name=Python64 --enable-framework --enable-universalsdk=/
make
make install

The --with-framework-name option is optional and allows you to have  
both a regular 32-bit build and a 4-way universal build (which is  
helpful while testing).

>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> python-trunk/build: arch -386 -ppc ../python.exe ../../Mac/scripts/ 
> cachersrc.py -v /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/ 
> lib/python2.6/plat-mac /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/ 
> Versions/2.6/Mac/Tools
> arch: Unknown architecture: 386

That's a real bug, that should be "-i386" instead of "-386".

I've just commited a fix for this (rev. 65652).

To anyone that is interested in a 4-way build: please test this  
configuration, the 2.6 release is getting closer and hence there is  
little time left to get bugfixes into the repository.


>
>
>
> Index: Mac/Modules/MacOS.c
> ===================================================================
> --- Mac/Modules/MacOS.c	(revision 65574)
> +++ Mac/Modules/MacOS.c	(working copy)
> @@ -30,10 +30,6 @@
> #include <Carbon/Carbon.h>
> #include <ApplicationServices/ApplicationServices.h>
>
> -#ifndef HAVE_MACOS105_SDK
> -typedef SInt16	FSIORefNum;
> -#endif
> -
> static PyObject *MacOS_Error; /* Exception MacOS.Error */
>
> #define PATHNAMELEN 1024
> Index: Mac/Modules/file/_Filemodule.c
> ===================================================================
> --- Mac/Modules/file/_Filemodule.c	(revision 65574)
> +++ Mac/Modules/file/_Filemodule.c	(working copy)
> @@ -7,10 +7,6 @@
>
> #include "pymactoolbox.h"
>
> -#ifndef HAVE_MACOS105_SDK
> -typedef SInt16	FSIORefNum;
> -#endif
> -
> /* Macro to test whether a weak-loaded CFM function exists */
> #define PyMac_PRECHECK(rtn) do { if ( &rtn == NULL )  {\
>         PyErr_SetString(PyExc_NotImplementedError, \
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Aug 12 14:36:03 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:36:03 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <EECC412D-2C48-4F49-BCE4-A6ADDAB28DC3@mac.com>


On 7 Aug, 2008, at 22:48, Daniel Ashbrook wrote:

> Anybody know how to make #pragma mark work with python in xcode?

That doesn't seem to work, I guess Xcode only looks for "#pragma mark"  
in C code and not in python code. If you have an ADC account you can  
file a feature request for this at bugreport.apple.com.

Ronald


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Aug 12 14:43:38 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:43:38 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.6 trunk
In-Reply-To: <F4719029-C6D7-43DA-8A1A-08A4093BBA17@mac.com>
References: <74320681-2C94-40E2-B1C9-6A5327B8FF92@usace.army.mil>
	<F4719029-C6D7-43DA-8A1A-08A4093BBA17@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6F8BDE2B-42F7-42E1-B87C-9BDA64F959DB@mac.com>


On 12 Aug, 2008, at 14:30, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>
>
> For some reason configure doesn't seem to have detected that the  
> 10.5 SDK. Are you building on OSX 10.5? If so, could you check  
> pyconfig.h to check if HAVE_MACOS105_SDK is defined? (Which it  
> should be when you're building a 4-way universal binary).

Never mind, there was a real bug here. The actual #define is called  
HAVE_OSX105_SDK.

I've fixed this in r65653.

Ronald



From mcovill at mac.com  Tue Aug 12 14:49:04 2008
From: mcovill at mac.com (Mike Covill)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:49:04 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
	<489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
	<65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <7705530B-FD45-44DC-9F3C-299E9AF32988@mac.com>


On 11-Aug-08, at 11:10 AM, Daniel Ashbrook wrote:

> Nehemiah Dacres wrote:
> > What are u using a #pragma for in python? You See that POUND sign  
> your
>> using, thats a COMPILER DIRECTIVE, python is an interpreted  
>> scripting language, no PREPROCESSING allowed , (except for the .pyc  
>> code but thats compiled if you want to get technical with me)
>> Am I misinterpreting you intentions?
>
> Yes.
>
> Xcode supports "#pragma mark foo" that puts "foo" into a dropdown  
> menu above your code in the editor so you can quickly jump between  
> sections.
>
>
> dan


 From Apple's "Xcode Workspace Guide:, chapter 6, section 2:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/XcodeWorkspace/600-The_Text_Editor/chapter_6_section_2.html

you can use these inside a comment and the drop down will display them  
in bold, like the #pragma mark does in C code:

MARK:
TODO:
FIXME:
!!!:
???:

You can use "MARK:" just like you use "#pragma mark" in C code, and it  
("MARK:") will not show up in the drop down, just the comment  
following it.  The others will be included in the drop down item.

#MARK: Section 1
   displays as:   "Section 1"

#!!!: Look at this now!
   displays as:   "!!! Look at this now"

Mike


From joaoleao at gmx.net  Tue Aug 12 14:56:28 2008
From: joaoleao at gmx.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Le=E3o?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:56:28 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problem with CoreGraphics and py2app
Message-ID: <8CD707B9-104D-485F-B905-17970CC52A6E@gmx.net>

Hi list

Is anyone having trouble building applications from CoreGraphics  
scripts?
Details here:
(meanwhile I updated to 10.5.4 but the behavior is the same)

> Hi
>
> I'm running Mac OS X 10.5.2 on a G4 MacBook and I didn't install any  
> addons in what concerns Python.
> I was happy to see that apple is now including PyObjc and py2app.
>
> I tried to build applications with py2app from my old CoreGraphics  
> scripts (made on 10.4 / python2.3) that used to work ok. py2app  
> actually creates the application but when I run it, it unexpectedly  
> quits. The Console spits this:
> 5/23/08 7:12:19 PM [0x0-0x85085].org.pythonmac.unspecified.Test[647]  
> Fatal Python error: Interpreter not initialized (version mismatch?)
> 5/23/08 7:12:36 PM com.apple.launchd[66]  
> ([0x0-0x85085].org.pythonmac.unspecified.Test[647]) Exited  
> abnormally: Abort trap
>
> To exclude some error in my script, I tried this with one the Apple  
> supplied examples under /Developer/Examples/Quartz/Python/.
> I ran py2app with the following "setup.py" (I chose the example  
> "circle.py"):
> ###
> from distutils.core import setup
> import py2app
>
> setup(
>   name='Test',
>   app=["circle.py"],
> )
> ###
>
> Incidentally, I discovered that my system isn't finding py2applet too:
> ibook-joao:Desktop joao$ py2applet --make-setup circle.py
> -bash: py2applet: command not found
>
> Finally, py2app seems to work ok with other scripts that don't use  
> CoreGraphics.
>
> Thanks.
> Jo?o

From anjiro at cc.gatech.edu  Tue Aug 12 15:16:28 2008
From: anjiro at cc.gatech.edu (Daniel Ashbrook)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <7705530B-FD45-44DC-9F3C-299E9AF32988@mac.com>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
	<489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
	<65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>
	<7705530B-FD45-44DC-9F3C-299E9AF32988@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48A18D2C.6040305@cc.gatech.edu>

Heeeey, awesome! Who woulda thought that reading the documentation would 
actually come in handy? Much obliged, Mike!


dan


Mike Covill wrote:
>  From Apple's "Xcode Workspace Guide:, chapter 6, section 2:
> 
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/XcodeWorkspace/600-The_Text_Editor/chapter_6_section_2.html 
> 
> 
> you can use these inside a comment and the drop down will display them 
> in bold, like the #pragma mark does in C code:
> 
> MARK:
> TODO:
> FIXME:
> !!!:
> ???:
> 
> You can use "MARK:" just like you use "#pragma mark" in C code, and it 
> ("MARK:") will not show up in the drop down, just the comment following 
> it.  The others will be included in the drop down item.
> 
> #MARK: Section 1
>   displays as:   "Section 1"
> 
> #!!!: Look at this now!
>   displays as:   "!!! Look at this now"
> 
> Mike
> 


From Christopher.E.Kees at usace.army.mil  Wed Aug 13 04:49:51 2008
From: Christopher.E.Kees at usace.army.mil (Kees, Christopher E)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:51 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.6 trunk
In-Reply-To: <6F8BDE2B-42F7-42E1-B87C-9BDA64F959DB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C4C7B5FF.17C8%Christopher.E.Kees@usace.army.mil>

I updated to r65653 and it seems to be working OK. There are some test
failures. I saved all the output in case it's of any use.

My problem is now with the numpy module, which builds fine but says it can't
install when cross-compiling.  I apparently had an old version of numpy in
site-packages that must not have been a universal but which was running
without any problems as long as I was running in 32 bit. Anybody had any
luck with a 4-way universal numpy build?

Thanks,
Chris

...
317 tests OK.
10 tests failed:
    test_aepack test_applesingle test_array test_distutils
    test_httpservers test_macostools test_scriptpackages test_signal
    test_site test_socket
33 tests skipped:
    test_al test_bsddb test_bsddb3 test_cd test_cl test_codecmaps_cn
    test_codecmaps_hk test_codecmaps_jp test_codecmaps_kr
    test_codecmaps_tw test_curses test_dl test_epoll test_gdbm test_gl
    test_imageop test_imgfile test_largefile test_linuxaudiodev
    test_normalization test_ossaudiodev test_pep277 test_py3kwarn
    test_socketserver test_startfile test_sunaudiodev test_tcl
    test_timeout test_urllib2net test_urllibnet test_winreg
    test_winsound test_zipfile64
2 skips unexpected on darwin:
    test_tcl test_dl
make: *** [test] Error 1



On 8/12/08 7:43 AM, "Ronald Oussoren" <ronaldoussoren at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On 12 Aug, 2008, at 14:30, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> For some reason configure doesn't seem to have detected that the
>> 10.5 SDK. Are you building on OSX 10.5? If so, could you check
>> pyconfig.h to check if HAVE_MACOS105_SDK is defined? (Which it
>> should be when you're building a 4-way universal binary).
> 
> Never mind, there was a real bug here. The actual #define is called
> HAVE_OSX105_SDK.
> 
> I've fixed this in r65653.
> 
> Ronald
> 
> 


From JKelly at nemetschek.net  Wed Aug 13 08:09:05 2008
From: JKelly at nemetschek.net (Jim Kelly)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:09:05 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problems with py2app and wx on leopard
Message-ID: <C4C7F2C1.10994%JKelly@nemetschek.net>

I'm experiencing a bit of odd behavior with py2app and wx.  The shared
object files from wx, when inspected with otool, are looking for:

/usr/lib/libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib (compatibility version 2.6.0, current
version 2.8.4)

That is based on wx installed in the site-packages of the system python that
ships with leopard.

Now I installed python from python.org, got wxPython source, and tried
again.  This time, in my wx directory, otool shows no such requirement.
That's what I want, so that works well.

But it turns out that py2app was still pulling from the system wx.  So I set
use_pythonpath to True, thinking it would prefer mine over the system one.
Now it is including *both*, mine goes to Frameworks in the app bundle, while
the system one goes into Resources in the app bundle.  At runtime, if I'm
running on a system without the libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib file, it still
fails.  This is what I am seeing when I grep for _windows_ (one of the so
files from wx) from my py2app build output:

byte-compiling 
/Users/jkelly/Documents/Code/Projects/Installer/Dev/demo/demovwinstaller/bui
ld/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/python2.5-standalone/app/temp/wx/_windows_.py to
wx/_windows_.pyc
copying 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/w
x-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_windows_.so ->
/Users/jkelly/Documents/Code/Projects/Installer/Dev/demo/demovwinstaller/dis
t_osx/VWInstaller.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/wx
copying 
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-package
s/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_windows_.so ->
/Users/jkelly/Documents/Code/Projects/Installer/Dev/demo/demovwinstaller/dis
t_osx/VWInstaller.app/Contents/Frameworks
stripping _windows_.so

So how do I make py2app ignore the system install version of wx completely?

Thanks!
Jim

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From vivacarlie at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 17:16:45 2008
From: vivacarlie at gmail.com (Nehemiah Dacres)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:16:45 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pragma mark with python in xcode?
In-Reply-To: <48A18D2C.6040305@cc.gatech.edu>
References: <489B5F82.2030202@cc.gatech.edu>
	<65fadfc30808080936i3fc2e87csda9f8f8c24b9309d@mail.gmail.com>
	<489C7818.6040508@latte.ca>
	<65fadfc30808110721h50aaad26x4a5ca33ea38382d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A0566E.7010709@cc.gatech.edu>
	<7705530B-FD45-44DC-9F3C-299E9AF32988@mac.com>
	<48A18D2C.6040305@cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <65fadfc30808130816v13312e0u4f9ae5d2fd5ace99@mail.gmail.com>

Sigh, now you see my misunderstanding, sorry for the abuse of CAPS LOCK but
#pragma marks are only called  #pragma because of the preprocessor, which is
why GCC is getting away from that. (note the gcc handbook, i checked it out
one week) anyway, it would be silly for an editor to detect things that are
language specific in a non language spesific way. if you just said you
wanted to mark places in your code, then you would have gotten that sooner.
(in an editor spesific manor) note : I use Vim

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Daniel Ashbrook <anjiro at cc.gatech.edu>wrote:

> Heeeey, awesome! Who woulda thought that reading the documentation would
> actually come in handy? Much obliged, Mike!
>
>
> dan
>
>
>
> Mike Covill wrote:
>
>>  From Apple's "Xcode Workspace Guide:, chapter 6, section 2:
>>
>>
>> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/XcodeWorkspace/600-The_Text_Editor/chapter_6_section_2.html
>>
>> you can use these inside a comment and the drop down will display them in
>> bold, like the #pragma mark does in C code:
>>
>> MARK:
>> TODO:
>> FIXME:
>> !!!:
>> ???:
>>
>> You can use "MARK:" just like you use "#pragma mark" in C code, and it
>> ("MARK:") will not show up in the drop down, just the comment following it.
>>  The others will be included in the drop down item.
>>
>> #MARK: Section 1
>>  displays as:   "Section 1"
>>
>> #!!!: Look at this now!
>>  displays as:   "!!! Look at this now"
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Aug 13 19:25:53 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:25:53 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problems with py2app and wx on leopard
In-Reply-To: <C4C7F2C1.10994%JKelly@nemetschek.net>
References: <C4C7F2C1.10994%JKelly@nemetschek.net>
Message-ID: <48A31921.1090801@noaa.gov>

Jim Kelly wrote:
> So how do I make py2app ignore the system install version of wx completely?

The easiest way is to not use the system python at all -- use the 
python.org build. Then py2app will bundle up all of that and what you've 
installed.

If you want to distribute to 1.4 users, you'll need to do that anyway.

Is there a reason you want to use Apple's Python?

-Chris




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From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Aug 13 19:27:04 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:27:04 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.6 trunk
In-Reply-To: <C4C7B5FF.17C8%Christopher.E.Kees@usace.army.mil>
References: <C4C7B5FF.17C8%Christopher.E.Kees@usace.army.mil>
Message-ID: <48A31968.8040702@noaa.gov>

Kees, Christopher E wrote:
> Anybody had any
> luck with a 4-way universal numpy build?

I'd ask on the numpy list, but I don't think I've seen anyone talk about it.

-Chris



-- 
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From JKelly at nemetschek.net  Wed Aug 13 23:05:12 2008
From: JKelly at nemetschek.net (James Kelly)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:05:12 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Problems with py2app and wx on leopard
In-Reply-To: <C4C7F2C1.10994%JKelly@nemetschek.net>
Message-ID: <C4C8C4C8.10A22%JKelly@nemetschek.net>

Okay, with the benefit of some sleep, I've been able to resolve this
problem.  I'll recount what was wrong below for the benefit of others.  To
clear up what was probably a confusing email based on Chris's response, I
was tring to use the python.org python, not the system python, but there
were some problems, mostly caused by some stupid moves on my part while
trying to solve other problems.

The problem I had was that I had added the system python site-packages to my
$PYTHONPATH, so it makes sense now why py2app was looking in there.  Perhaps
a little odd that it was sucking up two versions of wx libraries, but it
seems a plausible explanation as the the behavior I was seeing.  Do
something dumb while debugging, get dumb results.  :)

So then, after getting the py2app and related dependencies from svn, the app
actually built.

I then had another issue.  First, I tried to run the app on Tiger, and it
was not happy about the version of libiconv.  No problem, I built the app on
Tiger.  We've had to do this before, so it didn't phase me too much.  When I
build on Tiger, and run on leopard, it complains: Library not loaded:
@executable_path/../Frameworks/libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib.  It goes on to say
that the reason is that the image is not found.  But it is indeed there, in
the app bundle, with read and execute permissions for all.

With the app bundle built on Tiger and run on Tiger, I get an os import
error.

It turns out this was related to our use of the Authorization module.  We
were just passing sys.argv[0] into executeWithPrivileges, which, as it makes
sense now, was just the path to our primary python file in the Resources
directory.  I tried a few things here, using /usr/bin/open on the app bundle
for example, but in the end what worked properly is passing the path to the
app itself in side Contents/MacOS.

This clears up all the issues above.  Anyway, if there is any lesson to be
learned from this, it's that marathon debugging sessions are a bad idea.
You just keep doing increasingly stupid things until you wrap yourself in a
circle.  :)

Jim

On 8/13/08 2:09 AM, "Jim Kelly" <JKelly at nemetschek.net> wrote:

> I'm experiencing a bit of odd behavior with py2app and wx.  The shared
> object files from wx, when inspected with otool, are looking for:
> 
> /usr/lib/libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib (compatibility version 2.6.0, current
> version 2.8.4)
> 
> That is based on wx installed in the site-packages of the system python that
> ships with leopard.
> 
> Now I installed python from python.org, got wxPython source, and tried
> again.  This time, in my wx directory, otool shows no such requirement.
> That's what I want, so that works well.
> 
> But it turns out that py2app was still pulling from the system wx.  So I set
> use_pythonpath to True, thinking it would prefer mine over the system one.
> Now it is including *both*, mine goes to Frameworks in the app bundle, while
> the system one goes into Resources in the app bundle.  At runtime, if I'm
> running on a system without the libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib file, it still
> fails.  This is what I am seeing when I grep for _windows_ (one of the so
> files from wx) from my py2app build output:
> 
> byte-compiling 
> /Users/jkelly/Documents/Code/Projects/Installer/Dev/demo/demovwinstaller/bui
> ld/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/python2.5-standalone/app/temp/wx/_windows_.py to
> wx/_windows_.pyc
> copying 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/w
> x-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_windows_.so ->
> /Users/jkelly/Documents/Code/Projects/Installer/Dev/demo/demovwinstaller/dis
> t_osx/VWInstaller.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/wx
> copying 
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-package
> s/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_windows_.so ->
> /Users/jkelly/Documents/Code/Projects/Installer/Dev/demo/demovwinstaller/dis
> t_osx/VWInstaller.app/Contents/Frameworks
> stripping _windows_.so
> 
> So how do I make py2app ignore the system install version of wx completely?
> 
> Thanks!
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From christopher.e.kees at usace.army.mil  Thu Aug 14 20:38:54 2008
From: christopher.e.kees at usace.army.mil (Chris Kees)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Numpy-discussion] Mac OSX 4-way universal Re:
 python 2.6 trunk
In-Reply-To: <3d375d730808131608p2e3233feq40aac81906e88543@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4C9E5EE.1BDD%christopher.e.kees@usace.army.mil>

The 4-way universal install of numpy-1.1.1 is working now with the Python
2.6b2+ (trunk:65678), and  all the tests pass (running as i386 and x86_64 at
least). Unfortunately, I didn't find exactly what  was  causing it. I just
erased /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework and rebuilt the 4-way
universal python and numpy module again because I had noticed that  the
numpy build directory kept coming up with this structure:

%ls build
lib.macosx-10.5-universal-2.6        scripts.macosx-10.5-universal-2.6
src.macosx-10.3-i386-2.6        temp.macosx-10.5-universal-2.6

Apparently something in my python framework was leftover from a previous
install and causing the src.macosx-10.3-i386-2.6 to get built, which seems
to be related to distutils deciding that I was cross-compiling. Anyway,
thanks  for the help and sorry for the trouble. I guess one should always
erase the python framework before re-installing it? Should I be running an
uninstall script instead  of just erasing it?

Chris


On 8/13/08 6:08 PM, "robert.kern at gmail.com" <robert.kern at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2008-08-13, David Cournapeau <cournape at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Odd. I can't find the string "Can't install when cross-compiling"
>>> anywhere in the numpy or Python sources. Can you try again with the
>>> environment variable DISTUTILS_DEBUG=1 set?
>> 
>> You can find it in python svn: the message seems python 2.6 specific.
> 
> Okay, it looks like this happens when distutils.util.get_platform()
> and the build command's plat_name are different. Chris, can you do the
> following and show me the output?
> 
> $ python setup.py build --help
> ...
> $ python -c "from distutils import util;print util.get_platform()"
> ...
> 
> Probably a workaround is to do
> 
> $ python setup.py build --plat-name=... install
> 
> where ... is whatever the output of the second command above gives.


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 15 04:41:41 2008
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:41:41 +1200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app: email.iterators
Message-ID: <F70303A5-B4FA-4CE4-B147-F44D213D7903@onjapan.net>

I'm using py2app 0.3.6 and python.org Python 2.5.2 to bundle up a new  
application that uses the email module.  The special 'email' recipe  
seems to pick up all of the files in email/ except iterators.pyc and  
generator.pyc... and when I launch my newly made application an error  
appears:
   ImportError: No module named iterators
Do I need to something more than just specify the email package?


From georgewr at bigpond.net.au  Fri Aug 15 08:59:34 2008
From: georgewr at bigpond.net.au (George Wright)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:59:34 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] virtualenv problems
In-Reply-To: <mailman.60.1218016813.18463.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.60.1218016813.18463.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <906989F2-4625-468D-A2BE-9EC9EAF1EA30@bigpond.net.au>

Gidday again

I am having trouble getting a virtualenv to use the python version I  
want on my OSX 10.5.4.
? I have installed Python 2.5.2 and used ~/.bash_profile to export  
PATH so that this one comes up when I type python at the shell prompt.  
(I haven't made a ~/.profile entry. I wonder if that would help?)
? I have installed the latest "virtualenv"
? When I create a virtualenv from the command line like this:
$ virtualenv ENV
that works  but the python available after activating is the OSX  
installed global version 2.5.1 and not the 2.5.2 I hoped for. ??
? The virtualenv docs suggest you can call it like this:
$ python virtualenv.py ENV
Which might ensure that 252 came up - But I get this error message:
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/ 
Contents/MacOS/Python: can't open file 'virtualenv.py': [Errno 2] No  
such file or directory
AND I can't find a virtualenv.py anywhere
? The docs (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv#id2) suggest that  
one can 'name a python' but there is no indication as to how that is  
done.
? I have tried the no_site-packages option too.

Any suggestions?
George Wright

From rowen at u.washington.edu  Fri Aug 15 19:42:26 2008
From: rowen at u.washington.edu (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:42:26 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Build Tkinter against custom tcl/tk?
Message-ID: <rowen-B4A55C.10422615082008@news.gmane.org>

I'm trying to build a non-framework python on MacOS X 10.5 using a 
custom tcl/tk that lives in an arbitrary directory. (For complicated 
reasons we don't want the system tcl/tk). It is easy to build an X11 
tcl/tk this way (and we are content with X11) so I did that.

Unfortunately I can't seem to build Python in such a way that it sees 
this tcl/tk.

The only documented way to do this I found was to edit Modules/Setup or 
Setup.local, so I did the following:
$ /configure --prefix=/Users/rowen/TestBuild/pythonroot/ 
--disable-framework
Edit Modules/Setup.local to add this text (based on comments in 
Modules/Setup):
_tkinter _tkinter.c tkappinit.c -DWITH_APPINIT \
  -L/Users/rowen/TestBuild/tcltkroot/lib \
  -I/Users/rowen/TestBuild/tcltkroot/include \
  -ltk8.4 -ltcl8.4 \
  -I/usr/X11R6/include \
  -L/usr/X11R6/lib \
  -lX11
$ make
$ make install

This builds, but the resulting python is missing the _tkinter library.

I tried setting CFLAGS:
$ export CFLAGS="-I/Users/rowen/TestBuild/tcltkroot/include 
-L/Users/rowen/TestBuild/tcltkroot/bin"
before running configure, but that didn't help.

So...any advice? Any obvious mistake? (I did double-check each path in 
the text I added to Setup.local) Is there some way to convince configure 
to use my tcl/tk (that would potentially be simpler than editing 
Modules/Setup.local).

-- Russell


From travis_caldwell2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 05:20:32 2008
From: travis_caldwell2000 at yahoo.com (Travis Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript -- Getting 1708 Error on count command
	for word 2008
Message-ID: <799565.27802.qm@web45315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


 Not sure if this is user error or a bug, but I can't seem to send the count command to Word 2008 via appscript.

>>> word.documents.count()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/appscript-0.18.1-py2.5-macosx-10.5-i386.egg/appscript/reference.py", line 439, in __call__
appscript.reference.CommandError: CommandError -1708: Application could not handle this command.
	Failed command: app(u'/Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app').documents.count()

I can call help on the count command via the same path so I think I'm calling count() from the right place:

>>> word.documents.count.help()
==============================================================================
Help (-t)

Reference: app(u'/Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app').documents.count

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Description of reference

Terminology for count command
[...]

And Word seems to support the count command since this works from the script editor:

tell application "Microsoft Word"
	display dialog (get count of documents)
end tell


And finally, I tried doing a count with TextEdit and that seems to work fine:

>>> te = app('TextEdit')
>>> te.activate()
>>> te.documents.count()
3


Any help would be appreciated.

             _Travis_Caldwell_


      


From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Sat Aug 16 23:50:08 2008
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:50:08 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript -- Getting 1708 Error on count
	command for word 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40.1218880815.28159.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.40.1218880815.28159.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <F611F3F1-B111-4028-A9B6-B09C1103F756@virgin.net>

Travis Caldwell wrote:

> Not sure if this is user error or a bug, but I can't seem to send  
> the count command to Word 2008 via appscript.


Word's count command requires an 'each' parameter, e.g.:

app('microsoft word').count(each=k.document)

A number of Carbon apps do require an 'each' parameter, e.g. Word,  
Finder. The reason you can get away with not specifying one yourself  
in AppleScript is that AppleScript quietly munges the reference passed  
as the direct parameter to create one. Appscript mimics quite a bit of  
AppleScript's behind-the-scenes chicanery for compatibility's sake,  
but this isn't one of them. (The 'each' parameter is itself a design  
wart; Apple event IPC has a lot of those.) Adding a note about this  
particular issue to the FAQ is on the TODO list... along with the rest  
of the FAQ. (I'm afraid work's keeping me pretty busy these days, but  
fingers crossed it'll happen someday.)

HTH

has
-- 
Control AppleScriptable applications from Python, Ruby and ObjC:
http://appscript.sourceforge.net


From christopher.e.kees at usace.army.mil  Mon Aug 18 21:09:35 2008
From: christopher.e.kees at usace.army.mil (Chris Kees)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:09:35 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.6 universal problems
Message-ID: <C4CF331F.1D3E%christopher.e.kees@usace.army.mil>

I'm running into a problem building/installing from svn source r65809 for
the 64-bit universal configuration on 10.5. The installer can't find the
FSpOpenResFile function during the install phase. Here is a summary of what
is happening:

% uname -a
Darwin ... 9.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.4.0: Mon Jun  9 19:30:53 PDT 2008;
root:xnu-1228.5.20~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
%gcc --version
i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5484)
%../configure --with-universal-archs=64-bit --with-framework-name=Python64
--enable-framework --enable-universalsdk=/ MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5
%make
%make test
...
319 tests OK.
8 tests failed:
    test_aepack test_applesingle test_array test_distutils
    test_httpservers test_macostools test_scriptpackages test_signal
33 tests skipped:
    test_al test_bsddb test_bsddb3 test_cd test_cl test_codecmaps_cn
    test_codecmaps_hk test_codecmaps_jp test_codecmaps_kr
    test_codecmaps_tw test_curses test_dl test_epoll test_gdbm test_gl
    test_imageop test_imgfile test_largefile test_linuxaudiodev
    test_normalization test_ossaudiodev test_pep277 test_py3kwarn
    test_socketserver test_startfile test_sunaudiodev test_tcl
    test_timeout test_urllib2net test_urllibnet test_winreg
    test_winsound test_zipfile64
2 skips unexpected on darwin:
    test_tcl test_dl
%sudo make install
...
running install_egg_info
Removing 
/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynloa
d/Python-2.6b2_-py2.6.egg-info
Writing 
/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynloa
d/Python-2.6b2_-py2.6.egg-info
ln -fs "../../../Python64"
"/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/config/li
bpython2.6.a"
cd Mac && make installmacsubtree DESTDIR=""
DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=/Users/cekees/src/pyadh-compilers/python-trunk/build4wu:
../python.exe ../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py -v
/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/plat-mac
/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/Mac/Tools
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py", line 44, in <module>
    main()
  File "../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py", line 41, in main
    os.path.walk(dir, handler, (verbose, force))
  File "./../Lib/posixpath.py", line 224, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py", line 23, in handler
    macresource.open_pathname(os.path.join(dirname, fn), verbose=verbose)
  File 
"/Users/cekees/src/pyadh-compilers/python-trunk/Lib/plat-mac/macresource.py"
, line 81, in open_pathname
    refno = Res.FSpOpenResFile(pathname, 1)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'FSpOpenResFile'
make[1]: *** [installmacsubtree] Error 1
make: *** [frameworkinstallmaclib] Error 2

I looked in the Mac subdirectory at the source for the _Res extension module
where FSpOpenResFile is defined, but it looks like if _LP64_ is defined
these function definitions are skipped. Also, if I build the 32-bit or 4-way
('all') universals I get the same output from 'make test' but the installer
is happy. After some additional testing with the 4-way universal I'm
beginning to find that it has some problems with some extension modules when
run as 64-bit, which is why I went back to test the 64-bit  universal. Does
anybody recognize this error? Is anybody actually using a 64-bit framework
build on OSX 10.5 (of 2.6 or 2.5.2)?

Chris 


From raine001 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Aug 19 01:53:11 2008
From: raine001 at tc.umn.edu (John Raines)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:53:11 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Leopard Python library ?missing functions?
Message-ID: <EF9FD3C5-E566-4CC8-A888-32EBE850E5DB@tc.umn.edu>

I did a google search on "python calendar" and was surprised to see  
that several new modules have been added in Python 2.5. I was  
preparing to try to fix a bug in some code that turned the old  
calendar modules result into an html version, so I thought I would  
look at what the new functions did.

I was further surprised to get:
> ImportError: No module named HTMLCalendar

Did they not implement all of the new library on Leopard? Whyever not?

From nad at acm.org  Tue Aug 19 04:31:50 2008
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:31:50 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Leopard Python library ?missing functions?
References: <EF9FD3C5-E566-4CC8-A888-32EBE850E5DB@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <nad-D34849.19314918082008@news.gmane.org>

In article <EF9FD3C5-E566-4CC8-A888-32EBE850E5DB at tc.umn.edu>,
 John Raines <raine001 at tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> I did a google search on "python calendar" and was surprised to see  
> that several new modules have been added in Python 2.5. I was  
> preparing to try to fix a bug in some code that turned the old  
> calendar modules result into an html version, so I thought I would  
> look at what the new functions did.
> 
> I was further surprised to get:
> > ImportError: No module named HTMLCalendar
> 
> Did they not implement all of the new library on Leopard? Whyever not?

AFAIK, HTMLCalendar has never been part of the standard Python library.  
See the Python Package Index here:

   http://pypi.python.org/pypi/HTMLCalendar/

and install via setuptools:

   easy_install HTMLCalendar

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Tue Aug 19 08:41:07 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:41:07 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.6 universal problems
In-Reply-To: <C4CF331F.1D3E%christopher.e.kees@usace.army.mil>
References: <C4CF331F.1D3E%christopher.e.kees@usace.army.mil>
Message-ID: <C4CE7B12-66C1-4076-B3CB-73B7C460B35B@mac.com>

The cachersrc.py module uses API's that are not available in 64-bit  
mode.  I don't have time to look into fixing that (or even research if  
the cachersrc.py script should be called for a 64-bit install, there's  
a significant chance that it is not needed).

Ronald

On 18 Aug, 2008, at 21:09, Chris Kees wrote:

> I'm running into a problem building/installing from svn source  
> r65809 for
> the 64-bit universal configuration on 10.5. The installer can't find  
> the
> FSpOpenResFile function during the install phase. Here is a summary  
> of what
> is happening:
>
> % uname -a
> Darwin ... 9.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.4.0: Mon Jun  9 19:30:53  
> PDT 2008;
> root:xnu-1228.5.20~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
> %gcc --version
> i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5484)
> %../configure --with-universal-archs=64-bit --with-framework- 
> name=Python64
> --enable-framework --enable-universalsdk=/  
> MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5
> %make
> %make test
> ...
> 319 tests OK.
> 8 tests failed:
>    test_aepack test_applesingle test_array test_distutils
>    test_httpservers test_macostools test_scriptpackages test_signal
> 33 tests skipped:
>    test_al test_bsddb test_bsddb3 test_cd test_cl test_codecmaps_cn
>    test_codecmaps_hk test_codecmaps_jp test_codecmaps_kr
>    test_codecmaps_tw test_curses test_dl test_epoll test_gdbm test_gl
>    test_imageop test_imgfile test_largefile test_linuxaudiodev
>    test_normalization test_ossaudiodev test_pep277 test_py3kwarn
>    test_socketserver test_startfile test_sunaudiodev test_tcl
>    test_timeout test_urllib2net test_urllibnet test_winreg
>    test_winsound test_zipfile64
> 2 skips unexpected on darwin:
>    test_tcl test_dl
> %sudo make install
> ...
> running install_egg_info
> Removing
> /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/ 
> lib-dynloa
> d/Python-2.6b2_-py2.6.egg-info
> Writing
> /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/ 
> lib-dynloa
> d/Python-2.6b2_-py2.6.egg-info
> ln -fs "../../../Python64"
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/ 
> config/li
> bpython2.6.a"
> cd Mac && make installmacsubtree DESTDIR=""
> DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=/Users/cekees/src/pyadh-compilers/python-trunk/ 
> build4wu:
> ../python.exe ../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py -v
> /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/ 
> plat-mac
> /Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/Mac/Tools
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py", line 44, in <module>
>    main()
>  File "../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py", line 41, in main
>    os.path.walk(dir, handler, (verbose, force))
>  File "./../Lib/posixpath.py", line 224, in walk
>    func(arg, top, names)
>  File "../../Mac/scripts/cachersrc.py", line 23, in handler
>    macresource.open_pathname(os.path.join(dirname, fn),  
> verbose=verbose)
>  File
> "/Users/cekees/src/pyadh-compilers/python-trunk/Lib/plat-mac/ 
> macresource.py"
> , line 81, in open_pathname
>    refno = Res.FSpOpenResFile(pathname, 1)
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'FSpOpenResFile'
> make[1]: *** [installmacsubtree] Error 1
> make: *** [frameworkinstallmaclib] Error 2
>
> I looked in the Mac subdirectory at the source for the _Res  
> extension module
> where FSpOpenResFile is defined, but it looks like if _LP64_ is  
> defined
> these function definitions are skipped. Also, if I build the 32-bit  
> or 4-way
> ('all') universals I get the same output from 'make test' but the  
> installer
> is happy. After some additional testing with the 4-way universal I'm
> beginning to find that it has some problems with some extension  
> modules when
> run as 64-bit, which is why I went back to test the 64-bit   
> universal. Does
> anybody recognize this error? Is anybody actually using a 64-bit  
> framework
> build on OSX 10.5 (of 2.6 or 2.5.2)?
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From james.collins75 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 19:32:46 2008
From: james.collins75 at yahoo.com (James Collins)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] unsiscribe
Message-ID: <251265.55407.qm@web44915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

how do i unsiscribe?


      
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From vivacarlie at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:53 2008
From: vivacarlie at gmail.com (Nehemiah Dacres)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] unsiscribe
In-Reply-To: <251265.55407.qm@web44915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <251265.55407.qm@web44915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65fadfc30808191042y28193996of46ad0ecd8b03f0b@mail.gmail.com>

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


funny you should ask,

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM, James Collins
<james.collins75 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> how do i unsiscribe?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org

<<<

> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

<<<

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From m.vanland at gmail.com  Wed Aug 20 05:05:04 2008
From: m.vanland at gmail.com (Michael VanLandingham)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:05:04 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] building bundles with setuptools, py2app,
	64-bit python 2.6
Message-ID: <b364be0808192005l31bd4633p8983e97d738cd724@mail.gmail.com>

I recently built a Python64.framework & interpreter from the 2.6 sources
(using Ronald O's recently recommended build settings), and then build
PyObjC.   Because I got an error running PyObjC's build script, (setup tries
to pull down an URL that's non-existent:
http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/s/setuptools/setuptools-0.6c8-py2.6.egg), I
built and installed setuptools from svn.python.org with/for my 4-way fat
python build.

I need to create 64-bit compatible versions of some PyObjC bundles that
we're using.  However, when I tried to use it, like this:

$ /usr/local/python64 setup.py py2app

I got the error below.  Which points to what looks like a problem in
setuptools.  Can anyone offer any advice here?   Maybe I need a less cutting
edge version of setuptools?
Is anyone using 64-bit python, PyObjC to build 64-bit or 4-way fat apps or
plugin bundles, and if so, how?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

here's the traceback:
------
running py2app
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/py2app/py2app/build_app.py", line 579, in
_run
    self.run_normal()
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/py2app/py2app/build_app.py", line 631, in
run_normal
    mf = self.get_modulefinder()
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/py2app/py2app/build_app.py", line 539, in
get_modulefinder
    debug=debug,
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/find_modules.py",
line 255, in find_modules
    find_needed_modules(mf, scripts, includes, packages)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/find_modules.py",
line 176, in find_needed_modules
    mf.run_script(path)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 369, in run_script
    self.scan_code(co, m)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 610, in scan_code
    self._safe_import_hook(name, m, fromlist)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 540, in _safe_import_hook
    mods = self.import_hook(name, caller)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 380, in import_hook
    q, tail = self.find_head_package(parent, name)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 419, in find_head_package
    q = self.import_module(head, qname, parent)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 493, in import_module
    parent and parent.packagepath, parent)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 680, in find_module
    fp, buf, stuff = find_module(name, path)
  File "/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py",
line 114, in find_module
    if isinstance(importer, pkg_resources.ImpWrapper):
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'ImpWrapper'
>
/Volumes/Sandbox/pyobjc/modulegraph/modulegraph/modulegraph.py(114)find_module()
-> if isinstance(importer, pkg_resources.ImpWrapper):

(Pdb) pkg_resources
<module 'pkg_resources' from
'/Library/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.7a1dev_r65222-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.pyc'>
(Pdb) list
109      for entry in path:
110          importer = pkg_resources.get_importer(entry)
111          loader = importer.find_module(name)
112          if loader is None: continue
113
114  ->        if isinstance(importer, pkg_resources.ImpWrapper):
115              filename = loader.filename
116              if filename.endswith('.pyc') or filename.endswith('.pyo'):
117                  fp = open(filename, 'rb')
118                  description = ('.pyc', 'rb', imp.PY_COMPILED)
119                  return (fp, filename, description)
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From rowen at u.washington.edu  Thu Aug 21 01:34:51 2008
From: rowen at u.washington.edu (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:34:51 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting py2app to work with svn 1.5.1?
Message-ID: <rowen-0FD767.16345120082008@news.gmane.org>

I just realized I can no longer build my Python application using py2app 
since upgrading to svn 1.5.1. The application uses Tkinter, matplotlib 
and Image (PIL). I am on MacOS X 10.4.11 using Python 2.5.2 from 
python.org and ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.4.19.

The first symptom were well-known problems "Unknown load command: 27" 
and "global name 'log' is not defined". After reading these:
<http://bugs.python.org/setuptools/issue4>
<http://www.nabble.com/-py2app---pygame--can't-build-my-app-td17936557.ht
ml>
and trying various fixes I got rid of those problems and ended up with a 
new one (more below) which I've not found a solution for.


I decided to try a clean install of easy_install and py2app so:
- Delete everything from site-packages related to easy_install and 
py2app including bdist_mpkg , macholib and modulegraph and setuptools.
- Download ez_setup.py
$ python ez_setup.py
  This installed setuptools==0.6c8
$ easy_install py2app
  This installed:
- py2app 0.3.6
- bdist-mpkg 0.4.3
- modulegraph 0.7 

py2app fails to build my app with the following error:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-pac
kages/py2app-0.3.6-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 548, in _run
    self.run_normal()
  File 
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-pac
kages/py2app-0.3.6-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 600, in 
run_normal
    mf = self.get_modulefinder()
  File 
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-pac
kages/py2app-0.3.6-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 508, in 
get_modulefinder
    debug=debug,
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/modulegraph/find_modules.py", 
line 243, in find_modules
    find_needed_modules(mf, scripts, includes, packages)
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/modulegraph/find_modules.py", 
line 179, in find_needed_modules
    path = m.packagepath[0]
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable


I then tried installing the dev version of py2app:
$ easy_install py2app==dev
complains about modulegraph so:
$ easy_install modulegraph==dev
But I still get the same error (and I'd rather not use these dev 
versions without some idea if they are stable and recommended).

I have not located this one on google (except one unanswered query from 
a wx user from May). Any ideas?

-- Russell


From djcypod at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 03:08:42 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:08:42 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] applescript bundle droplet
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0808201808s21382d04gbd4a494be940fb79@mail.gmail.com>

I am using apple script to create a droplet that basically lets you
pass the incoming file as an argument to a bundled python script. The
python script then displays the output in a UI made with Tkinter.
Questions:

1. is it possible to quit the apple script before python sends it's exit code?
2. Is there anyway to suppress the console so only the UI shows up on screen?
3. How can I change the name of the title on the menu bar from python
to my app's name?

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Thu Aug 21 13:02:40 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:02:40 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] building bundles with setuptools, py2app,
	64-bit python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <b364be0808192005l31bd4633p8983e97d738cd724@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b364be0808192005l31bd4633p8983e97d738cd724@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4013567-CA32-4C66-B245-76F195717ECB@mac.com>


On 20 Aug, 2008, at 5:05, Michael VanLandingham wrote:

>
> I recently built a Python64.framework & interpreter from the 2.6  
> sources (using Ronald O's recently recommended build settings), and  
> then build PyObjC.   Because I got an error running PyObjC's build  
> script, (setup tries to pull down an URL that's non-existent:  http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/s/setuptools/setuptools-0.6c8-py2.6.egg) 
> , I built and installed setuptools from svn.python.org with/for my 4- 
> way fat python build.
>
> I need to create 64-bit compatible versions of some PyObjC bundles  
> that we're using.  However, when I tried to use it, like this:
>
> $ /usr/local/python64 setup.py py2app
>
> I got the error below.  Which points to what looks like a problem in  
> setuptools.  Can anyone offer any advice here?   Maybe I need a less  
> cutting edge version of setuptools?
> Is anyone using 64-bit python, PyObjC to build 64-bit or 4-way fat  
> apps or plugin bundles, and if so, how?

There might be issues with py2app and setuptools 0.7 (the trunk of  
setuptools), the 0.6 branch of setuptools should work fine.

The main problem at the moment is PyObjC: the code supports 4-way  
builds (or rather, 3-way builds, libffi is broken on PPC64), but the  
repository is not as stable as it should be.  I want to do a proper  
release of PyObjC, but progress is going very slowly at the moment due  
to lack of time and due to the general suckiness of the work that IMO  
must be done before a next release.

I'm very, very slowly adding unittests for all global functions, and  
other interesting items,  in wrapped frameworks because that's the  
only way to be sure that the wrappers work as advertised. I'm also  
working on my own copy of the bridgesupport files that Apple ships  
with Leopard, mostly because I ran into several issues with those  
files and would prefer shipping my own, correct, version of the  
metadata files rather than trying to work around the issues in Apple's  
build.

Writing these tests takes quite a lot of time and is not  
intellectually rewarding, which results in slow progress.

Ronald
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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Thu Aug 21 13:07:55 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:07:55 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] applescript bundle droplet
In-Reply-To: <fc5507fa0808201808s21382d04gbd4a494be940fb79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc5507fa0808201808s21382d04gbd4a494be940fb79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8B290FA-5998-4229-ABAC-9F98C4730A91@mac.com>


On 21 Aug, 2008, at 3:08, beau wrote:

> I am using apple script to create a droplet that basically lets you
> pass the incoming file as an argument to a bundled python script. The
> python script then displays the output in a UI made with Tkinter.
> Questions:
>
> 1. is it possible to quit the apple script before python sends it's  
> exit code?
> 2. Is there anyway to suppress the console so only the UI shows up  
> on screen?
> 3. How can I change the name of the title on the menu bar from python
> to my app's name?

I'd drop the apple script and go for a .app bundle instead.  Py2app  
(which is included with the system install of Python on Leopard) can  
build standalone application bundles for you, as an alternative you  
could use the same trick as I use to build the IDLE.app that's  
included with the binary installers on Python.org (see http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Mac/IDLE/ 
  for the code that builds the app bundle and http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/idlelib/macosxSupport.py?view=markup 
  for the code in IDLE that deals with "open file" events.

Either option would solve all of your questions.

Ronald


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Thu Aug 21 14:13:12 2008
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:13:12 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Next PyObjC release -- help with unit tests?
In-Reply-To: <7F3800F2-A535-496C-8CDF-046CCDF27584@integrateddevcorp.com>
References: <b364be0808192005l31bd4633p8983e97d738cd724@mail.gmail.com>
	<A4013567-CA32-4C66-B245-76F195717ECB@mac.com>
	<7F3800F2-A535-496C-8CDF-046CCDF27584@integrateddevcorp.com>
Message-ID: <FE91F7FE-F43B-44CD-8DC8-6E55AF9F1E01@mac.com>


On 21 Aug, 2008, at 13:31, s s wrote:

>
> On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
>> The main problem at the moment is PyObjC: the code supports 4-way  
>> builds (or rather, 3-way builds, libffi is broken on PPC64), but  
>> the repository is not as stable as it should be.  I want to do a  
>> proper release of PyObjC, but progress is going very slowly at the  
>> moment due to lack of time and due to the general suckiness of the  
>> work that IMO must be done before a next release.
>
> Sorry if this is obvious but is there a list of these generally  
> sucky parts?

The most important things that should be done for PyObjC itself:

1) Modernize all sample projects.

A signficant subset of the examples in the repository still use  
PyObjCTools.NibClassBuilder. That module is deprecated and shouldn't  
be used in new code (and doesn't work with IB3 at all), all examples  
should be modified to work without NibClassBuilder. This means:

- Add explicit base classes instead of NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass
- Add outlet definitions (objc.IBOutlet definitions)
- Add @objc.IBAction decorator to actions (needed for IB3)

All examples should have a "readme.txt" and a "summary.txt", the  
latter is used on the website in the list of examples.

2) There are a number of examples in the pyobjc-core project, those  
should be moved to the most appropriate pyobjc-framework-* framework  
wrapper

3) IMHO there should be sample code for all wrapped framework, if only  
be translating an existing (Objective-)C example

4) All metadata (bridgesupport files) should be verified, see below

5) (very hard): Libffi is broken on PPC64

To be precise: the basic functionality works, but calls through libffi  
break Objective-C exception handling. This totally breaks PyObjC and  
fixing that probably requires help from a compiler guru.   My gut  
fealing is to ignore PPC64, fixing libffi is too much of an effort.

6) Port PyObjC to OSX 10.4.  This should be fairly easy once step 4 is  
finished, the code already contains the hooks that are necessary for  
this port and has worked on 10.4 in the past.

7) Move pyobjc-core/Lib/objc/test to pyobjc-core/PyObjCTest.

I've already moved the tests for framework wrappers out of the package  
that is installed by distutils, the same should be done for pyobjc- 
core. This can wait until a later release.


Py2app also needs some loving (proper egg support, testsuite), but  
that can wait until after a release of PyObjC itself.

>
>
>> I'm very, very slowly adding unittests for all global functions,  
>> and other interesting items,  in wrapped frameworks because that's  
>> the only way to be sure that the wrappers work as advertised. I'm  
>> also working on my own copy of the bridgesupport files that Apple  
>> ships with Leopard, mostly because I ran into several issues with  
>> those files and would prefer shipping my own, correct, version of  
>> the metadata files rather than trying to work around the issues in  
>> Apple's build.
>>
>> Writing these tests takes quite a lot of time and is not  
>> intellectually rewarding, which results in slow progress.
>
> Again, is there a list?  I could put in a bit of time on some of the  
> mechanical tests if I had a place to find the checklist.

There is no list, at least not outside of my head.

I've just commited the current state of the tests for the Cocoa  
frameworks, see
<https://svn.red-bean.com/pyobjc/trunk/pyobjc/pyobjc-framework-Cocoa/PyObjCTest/ 
 >.

Adding tests for other frameworks should be a lot easier, most of them  
should contain almost no entities for which tests are needed.

I'd like to see tests for all:
* C functions (CGContextCreate, ...)
* All structs: are the right fields present
* All methods that have a custom wrapper (that is, anything with a  
manually written wrapper in the Modules directory)
* All methods with pointer arguments

The tests should check if the Python wrapper works and has the right  
interface (as described in the PyObjC intro.txt document). Testing if  
the framework functions correctly is not a goal, unless a OS bug  
affects the functioning of PyObjC itself.

During this task we might run into API's that we don't want to  
support, or cannnot support, in Python. Those should be documented.

I'm currently also adding tests that check the presence of global  
variables (and values of enums), but those are less important.

Ronald


From a.h.jaffe at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 17:11:16 2008
From: a.h.jaffe at gmail.com (Andrew Jaffe)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
Message-ID: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi All,

I know this comes up every few months, but there is never a definitive 
answer given.

The short version is: what is the best Python to use under Leopard?

The longer version is: What is the best Python to use under leopard if:
    - I want to use PyObjC
    - I want to use more recent versions of packages like numpy that 
come installed
    - I want to use ipython and readline
    - I think I want to be able to use more recent versions of Python 
(and I certainly will once 2.6 comes out).

Currently I am using a framework build of 2.5.1 (since I was doing so 
under Tiger) but this seems to be a problem for pyobjc.

It would also be great if there were a single place on the web where 
this is answered; if you search -- even with this group -- you get very 
different pieces of advice.

Yours,

Andrew


From kw at codebykevin.com  Thu Aug 21 17:53:36 2008
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:53:36 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <48AD8F80.1050400@codebykevin.com>

Andrew Jaffe wrote:
>
> 
> It would also be great if there were a single place on the web where 
> this is answered; if you search -- even with this group -- you get very 
> different pieces of advice.
>

The reason you get different pieces of advice is because there is no one 
correct answer. There are too many variables involved and everyone's 
situation is diffeent.

If you are installing a bunch of Unix software that depends on Python, 
and using Fink or MacPorts to do it, you will get the Python that those 
systems install. It's because both systems build everything in their own 
sandbox to keep better control of dependencies. If you don't need Fink 
or MacPorts for one of their specific packages, I don't think there's a 
compelling reason to use them to install Python.

This leaves the standard Python.org build of Python,  Apple's system 
version of Python, or a Python you build yourself.

The standard Python.org build is the easiest. It's more up-to-date than 
Apple's, which tends to change only when a new version of OS X comes 
out. You can install/build more recent versions of various packages such 
as numpy, as you've noted.

The biggest advantage of Apple's version of Python is that, at the 
moment, it appears to play nicer with PyObjC 2.0 than anything else. 
Xcode integration seems to work well. From what I've seen, PyObjC 2.0 is 
in a state of flux outside Apple's sandbox--a lot of things, such as 
documentation, test suites and examples, are still getting updated. 
(Someone please correct me if I am wrong.)

You can always build your own version of Python as well. I do, because 
my Tkinter Python apps need to link to Tk 8.5, and the official 
Python.org build (and Apple's version) links to 8.4.

Hope this helps,
Kevin

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From schimaf at boulder.nist.gov  Thu Aug 21 18:07:26 2008
From: schimaf at boulder.nist.gov (Frank Schima)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:07:26 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>

Hi Andrew,


On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote:

> I know this comes up every few months, but there is never a  
> definitive answer given.
>
> The short version is: what is the best Python to use under Leopard?
>
> The longer version is: What is the best Python to use under leopard  
> if:
>   - I want to use PyObjC
>   - I want to use more recent versions of packages like numpy that  
> come installed
>   - I want to use ipython and readline
>   - I think I want to be able to use more recent versions of Python  
> (and I certainly will once 2.6 comes out).
>
> Currently I am using a framework build of 2.5.1 (since I was doing  
> so under Tiger) but this seems to be a problem for pyobjc.
>
> It would also be great if there were a single place on the web where  
> this is answered; if you search -- even with this group -- you get  
> very different pieces of advice.

I can vouch for using MacPorts to do what you want. I currently use it  
for programming with the latest Python 2.5.x, numpy, scipy, ipython,  
wxpython, tkinter, pmw and many more add-ons. They are all kept up to  
date and it's very easy to install and maintain (i.e. keep up to  
date). Python 3.0 (alpha) is supported and 2.6 is close to being  
added. I cannot, though, personally vouch for pyObjC in MacPorts  
because I don't use it myself - I have to support multiple platforms.  
But pyObjC is supported in MacPorts.

<http://www.macports.org/>


Cheers!
Frank Schima
Boulder, CO
schimaf at boulder.nist.gov





From a.h.jaffe at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 22:08:52 2008
From: a.h.jaffe at gmail.com (Andrew Jaffe)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:08:52 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>
Message-ID: <g8ki0k$ik2$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi All,

Thanks for the advice!

However, I'm pretty sure I don't need the overhead of a fink or MacPorts 
install -- I've been very happy with Framwork installs so  far (and I'm 
pretty sure that's necessary for PyObjC).

I think the detailed questions are: is there a  way to use  PyObjC with 
a self-installed Framework install (or at least, will it be possible 
once 2.6 comes out)? Alternately, is there any problem installing new 
versions of (say) numpy with the built-in python (e.g., by using 
easy_install)?

Yours,

Andrew

Frank Schima wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> 
> On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote:
> 
>> I know this comes up every few months, but there is never a definitive 
>> answer given.
>>
>> The short version is: what is the best Python to use under Leopard?
>>
>> The longer version is: What is the best Python to use under leopard if:
>>   - I want to use PyObjC
>>   - I want to use more recent versions of packages like numpy that 
>> come installed
>>   - I want to use ipython and readline
>>   - I think I want to be able to use more recent versions of Python 
>> (and I certainly will once 2.6 comes out).
>>
>> Currently I am using a framework build of 2.5.1 (since I was doing so 
>> under Tiger) but this seems to be a problem for pyobjc.
>>
>> It would also be great if there were a single place on the web where 
>> this is answered; if you search -- even with this group -- you get 
>> very different pieces of advice.
> 
> I can vouch for using MacPorts to do what you want. I currently use it 
> for programming with the latest Python 2.5.x, numpy, scipy, ipython, 
> wxpython, tkinter, pmw and many more add-ons. They are all kept up to 
> date and it's very easy to install and maintain (i.e. keep up to date). 
> Python 3.0 (alpha) is supported and 2.6 is close to being added. I 
> cannot, though, personally vouch for pyObjC in MacPorts because I don't 
> use it myself - I have to support multiple platforms. But pyObjC is 
> supported in MacPorts.
> 
> <http://www.macports.org/>
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> Frank Schima
> Boulder, CO
> schimaf at boulder.nist.gov
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
> 


From listservs at mac.com  Thu Aug 21 23:10:46 2008
From: listservs at mac.com (Chris Fonnesbeck)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:10:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>
	<g8ki0k$ik2$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20080821T210910-892@post.gmane.org>

Andrew Jaffe <a.h.jaffe <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Thanks for the advice!
> 
> However, I'm pretty sure I don't need the overhead of a fink or MacPorts 
> install -- I've been very happy with Framwork installs so  far (and I'm 
> pretty sure that's necessary for PyObjC).
> 
I can vouch for the new Enthought Python:

http://www.enthought.com/products/epddownload.php

It comes with a variety of scientific programming packages, and uses egg
packages, so it is very easy to maintain and update.





From pythonnutter at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 01:56:18 2008
From: pythonnutter at gmail.com (Python Nutter)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:56:18 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20080821T210910-892@post.gmane.org>
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>
	<g8ki0k$ik2$1@ger.gmane.org> <loom.20080821T210910-892@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <af90b3410808211656l58fa66eeh453b0e482a332c7f@mail.gmail.com>

If you go the ports route, download and install Porticus (highly
recommended) to give you graphical management of the ports packages,
to clean, download, install, activate/deactivate, handle dependencies,
show you all variations of a particular port and just checkmark all
the optional compiles you want to build.

I went for the Python.org framework over Apple's framework because it
was a simple install without worrying about ports. The only problem
you may encounter is if you start doing game programming with Pygame,
etc. While this may not be a worry because for years Pygame.org never
had any up-to-date current OS X binaries. However, they just released
the latest version for OS X and if you use the Python.org framework
you will have to install PyObjC 1.4 (on their download page) to make
it work with Leopard. Other than that I've found no headaches or
worries by going with the Python.org framework install.

Other things I added to my framework install to make life easier was
iPython, virtualenv (and virtualenvwrapper from the python magazine
article) which will also make use of the PEAK easy install setup tool.
If it was not for these last few tools working together I would
probably have gone full hog into the port route of making sure I got
the most up-to-date files. With them its more like an apt management
system in Debian/Ubuntu systems for binaries/eggs instead of ports and
the whole compilation process.

Whichever you choose, bets of luck.
Cheers,
PN

2008/8/22 Chris Fonnesbeck <listservs at mac.com>:
> Andrew Jaffe <a.h.jaffe <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Thanks for the advice!
>>
>> However, I'm pretty sure I don't need the overhead of a fink or MacPorts
>> install -- I've been very happy with Framwork installs so  far (and I'm
>> pretty sure that's necessary for PyObjC).
>>
> I can vouch for the new Enthought Python:
>
> http://www.enthought.com/products/epddownload.php
>
> It comes with a variety of scientific programming packages, and uses egg
> packages, so it is very easy to maintain and update.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

From djcypod at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 01:47:55 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Tkinter save image of GUI
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0808221647n1d485ffdrf16b0763d94f42b1@mail.gmail.com>

what is the best way to export an image of the GUI that Tkinter makes?

maybe:
Python Image LIbrary(PIL)

py2svg:
http://wmula.republika.pl/proj/canvas2svg/canvasvg.py


Ideally I would like to end up with a tif file equivalent to a screen
grab of the UI that Tkinter made. Possible options would include
various sizes?

From muralimkrishna26 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 09:05:28 2008
From: muralimkrishna26 at yahoo.com (murali krishna)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:35:28 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to click on a Mac OS X button using python
Message-ID: <154905.27573.qm@web94710.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
Can anyone tell how to click on a MAC OS X button using python
script...I can do that easily in Windows but i have no clue to do it on
Mac.


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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:33:57 +0530 (IST)
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:33:57 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to click on a Mac OS X button using python
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From dav at alum.mit.edu  Sat Aug 23 18:25:21 2008
From: dav at alum.mit.edu (Dav Clark)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:25:21 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <af90b3410808211656l58fa66eeh453b0e482a332c7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>
	<g8ki0k$ik2$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<loom.20080821T210910-892@post.gmane.org>
	<af90b3410808211656l58fa66eeh453b0e482a332c7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC482103-E9F6-4E47-9CC4-E199A846272B@alum.mit.edu>

Andrew, I have

I will add that if you need pyobjc, I had weird problems with pyobjc  
1.4 on leopard and a python.org framework build.  Stuff just didn't  
work (wasn't receiving messages from an external library for hardware  
interface).  I switched to the system python w/ objc 2.0 and  
everything worked fine.  I don't know of any serious issues between  
2.5.1 and 2.5.2 that provide a compelling argument to upgrade to the  
Framework build either.

The eggs for the scipy superpack (at drop.io/superpack) install fine  
into the system python (and there is no longer, to my knowledge, a  
fortran compiler installed by the script - you should get that from  
macresearch.org).  In my experience, it was a huge hassle keeping up  
with the bleeding edge dependencies for numpy, scipy and crew using  
ports or Fink.  Installing the few libs that aren't already part of  
the OSX system was easy enough into /usr/local/lib.

I know of no other way to get bleeding edge numpy, scipy, ipython,  
etc. on OSX except to build it yourself (which is not so bad these  
days - but does require install of some random things like fortran).   
But if you can try the system python with like 15 minutes of setup,  
you may as well.  It's easy enough to switch to something else later!

I'm at the SciPy conference right now, and they are interested in  
including objc 2.0 in EPD, but it is not currently there.  I have  
added a ticket (with Dave Peterson's blessing) to the Trac to get this  
feature added.  EPD is also, however, not really that bleeding edge.

Cheers,
DC

> 2008/8/22 Chris Fonnesbeck <listservs at mac.com>:
>> Andrew Jaffe <a.h.jaffe <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice!
>>>
>>> However, I'm pretty sure I don't need the overhead of a fink or  
>>> MacPorts
>>> install -- I've been very happy with Framwork installs so  far  
>>> (and I'm
>>> pretty sure that's necessary for PyObjC).
>>>
>> I can vouch for the new Enthought Python:
>>
>> http://www.enthought.com/products/epddownload.php
>>
>> It comes with a variety of scientific programming packages, and  
>> uses egg
>> packages, so it is very easy to maintain and update.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From dwf at cs.toronto.edu  Sun Aug 24 08:41:38 2008
From: dwf at cs.toronto.edu (David Warde-Farley)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] "Best" Mac Python under Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <AC482103-E9F6-4E47-9CC4-E199A846272B@alum.mit.edu>
References: <g8k0ik$flh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<63DF957D-EBEC-48E9-AF99-7D187BE052D0@boulder.nist.gov>
	<g8ki0k$ik2$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<loom.20080821T210910-892@post.gmane.org>
	<af90b3410808211656l58fa66eeh453b0e482a332c7f@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC482103-E9F6-4E47-9CC4-E199A846272B@alum.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <E8445470-BDBD-48C6-BDBA-5E05B1943CE0@cs.toronto.edu>

On 23-Aug-08, at 9:25 AM, Dav Clark wrote:

> Andrew, I have
>
> I will add that if you need pyobjc, I had weird problems with pyobjc  
> 1.4 on leopard and a python.org framework build.  Stuff just didn't  
> work (wasn't receiving messages from an external library for  
> hardware interface).  I switched to the system python w/ objc 2.0  
> and everything worked fine.  I don't know of any serious issues  
> between 2.5.1 and 2.5.2 that provide a compelling argument to  
> upgrade to the Framework build either.

Dav and I were arguing this in person at the SciPy08 code sprint :)  
Opinions in the room were mixed.

First of all, if you want to build bundle .app's that are  
redistributable, it's a good idea not to use the system Python,  
especially if you want to support Tiger (10.4). There are things in  
Apple's Python (i.e. DTrace support) that I imagine won't play nicely  
on an older OS.

That said, DTrace support is a huge bonus for some people. Personally  
I don't really trust the Apple engineers to care enough about Python  
to iron out all the issues one might face.

> I know of no other way to get bleeding edge numpy, scipy, ipython,  
> etc. on OSX except to build it yourself (which is not so bad these  
> days - but does require install of some random things like  
> fortran).  But if you can try the system python with like 15 minutes  
> of setup, you may as well.  It's easy enough to switch to something  
> else later!

gfortran is actually remarkably easy to install now thanks to a well  
maintained binary (the link is on scipy.org, which is undergoing a  
much-needed overhaul very soon).  Building SciPy is indeed not too  
painful anymore, no matter what Python distribution you're using, and  
I personally feel it's worth it to check out the latest trunk from SVN  
-- SciPy is moving so fast that stable releases often don't include  
vital new features (NumPy is more stable, but there's still a lot of  
exciting stuff being added, particularly stride_tricks).

The nice thing about EPD is that it's a one-stop shop for the  
scientific computing folks, and maintained by extremely competent  
folks who have a vested interest in making this stuff work on all the  
platforms they support (not to mention that well over half of the  
Enthought guys at SciPy08 were using Macs!).

Unlike back in the Tiger days, it seems that most of the options on  
the table (System, Python.org, EPD) are quite acceptable, but YMMV.  
Certainly if you run into specific issues with any one of these  
distributions, please make a note of it on this list so that others  
can benefit. We really need to spruce up the MacPython FAQ again...

Regards,

David

From dwf at cs.toronto.edu  Sun Aug 24 08:58:31 2008
From: dwf at cs.toronto.edu (David Warde-Farley)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:58:31 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to click on a Mac OS X button using python
In-Reply-To: <154905.27573.qm@web94710.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <154905.27573.qm@web94710.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AC221BF9-0566-4C45-BE50-80A8162FB243@cs.toronto.edu>


On 23-Aug-08, at 12:05 AM, murali krishna wrote:

> Hi,
> Can anyone tell how to click on a MAC OS X button using python  
> script...I can do that easily in Windows but i have no clue to do it  
> on Mac.

Hi Murali,

You really needn't send three messages to the list within he span of  
two hours. This isn't a terribly high traffic list and people will get  
back to you.  Your message was also marked as spam for at least me,  
possibly due to the fact that you sent an HTML message, which is bad  
mailing list karma. Two "ping" messages in two hours might be  
appropriate on some web bulletin boards but it is certainly not  
appropriate here.

To answer your question, almost all applications on Mac OS X are  
scriptable via AppleScript (which can be accessed from Python, with  
Python syntax, with the appscript module - http://appscript.sourceforge.net/ 
  ).

If the app exposes a scripting interface for the specific action that  
this button performs, you can use that. Open up the application in  
Script Editor with "File->Open Dictionary..." and take a look at what  
actions the app exposes. This is a good way of making sure your script  
does what you think it should do even if things about that button  
change in the future.

If what you want to do is not in the dictionary for the app you're  
hoping to script, what you'll need to look into is GUI scripting.   http://www.apple.com/applescript/uiscripting/ 
   This exposes AppleScript support for "clicking a button" and things  
like that. Note that you need to have it enabled in the Universal  
Access preference pane.

Good luck, and please be more patient with your messages in the future.

David

From dwf at cs.toronto.edu  Sun Aug 24 10:41:37 2008
From: dwf at cs.toronto.edu (David Warde-Farley)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:41:37 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] catching the Cmd+Q event
Message-ID: <3CFD0273-F649-47E2-A9F5-5CD584C24B87@cs.toronto.edu>

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to catch Cmd+Q in a threaded  
wx/Tkinter/etc. event loop.

The reason is that ipython ( http://ipython.sourceforge.net/ )  
supports several plotting toolkits for interactive data analysis,  
however if you habitually hit Cmd+Q to close the window, things get  
all screwy. Essentially the event somehow blocks and the thread goes  
stale.

Ideally, we'd like to mask (i.e. ignore) it, or somehow map it to the  
close window action. Is there any way to do this, at all? (ideally it  
wouldn't involve PyObjC, but realistically I think it most likely will).

Thanks,

David

From hraban at fiee.net  Sun Aug 24 11:08:25 2008
From: hraban at fiee.net (Henning Hraban Ramm)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:08:25 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] catching the Cmd+Q event
In-Reply-To: <3CFD0273-F649-47E2-A9F5-5CD584C24B87@cs.toronto.edu>
References: <3CFD0273-F649-47E2-A9F5-5CD584C24B87@cs.toronto.edu>
Message-ID: <16E15E07-0BE0-4E91-A039-6182AD15E81A@fiee.net>

Am 2008-08-24 um 10:41 schrieb David Warde-Farley:

> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to catch Cmd+Q in a threaded  
> wx/Tkinter/etc. event loop.

I remember catching the quit event of a wxPython loop on Windows  
several years ago, because there was a zombie process left if I didn't  
close the last window carefully.
As far as I can remember, I overwrote the __del__ method of the  
application.


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
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From hraban at fiee.net  Sun Aug 24 12:02:55 2008
From: hraban at fiee.net (Henning Hraban Ramm)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:02:55 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] controlling Mail.app and GnuPG
Message-ID: <6BF57D23-DE0D-417D-B31F-2ADED40761D0@fiee.net>

The issue was raised before, but I didn't find any hints how to solve  
my little problems...

BTW, this is framework Python 2.5.2 on OSX 10.5

It is known that the public API of Apple's Mail.app is incomplete and  
buggy, therefore stuff like the GnuPG plugin stay in eternal beta (and  
just don't work on my German system - I guess i might my a language  
problem).
Anyway.

I tried to write a little helper for GPG encrypted mails - before I  
dragged the "encrypted.asc" attachment in some folder, called gpg in  
the bash, copied the decrypted text back in my reply window and  
replaced all the MIME codes with proper umlauts etc.
(I can encrypt the mail via S/MIME, my friend can decrypt that, but  
didn't get S/MIME encryption to work in her Linux Thunderbird or  
Evolution, so she sends GPG encrypted...)

So, my script gets the selected message in Mail.app...

* issue (1) [appscript syntax for Mail.app]:
I can list the attachments with appscript, but I didn't find a way to  
save them or to access them as files.

Thus, I read the source of the message.

* issue (2) [dysfunctional email module]:
The email module (std lib) claims to be able to decode multipart MIME,  
but finds only 1 part in that text that consists of at least 2  
attachments. So I cannot use that.

Thus, I extract the "PGP MESSAGE" part using regular expressions.

In the cheeseshop there are two modules to access GnuPG:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pygpgme/0.1
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/GnuPGInterface/0.3.2

The first is from 2006 and seems unmaintained, the latter has a really  
ugly, un-pythonic syntax. I could also call gnupg via system calls.
I don't care about security issues on my own system, otherwise I could  
just forget any approach, for I must store my passphrase anywhere, and  
if the decrypted text stays in my bash history, it isn't safe anymore.

Ok, so I decrypt the encrypted part via GnuPGInterface (you must open  
and close 3 different file handles for that). The decrypted text still  
contains header information and signature and is in MIME encoding  
(i.e. "quoted-printable").

Using regular expressions I look for the MIME boundary string and  
extract the message part.
The headers tell me, it's in ISO-8859-15 encoding (= latin-9), same as  
8859-1 (= latin-1) plus Euro sign.

unicode(text, 'quoted-printable') isn't possible, because it returns  
string, not unicode.

Of course - "quoted-printable" is no encoding by itself, but needs an  
encoding defined.

unicode(text.decode('quoted-printable'), 'iso-8859-15') should work.

* issue (3) [missing encoding in Python]:
Python doesn't know ISO-8859-15! -- Hey, that exists since 1999!

So I can't just use the detected encoding, but hardcode 'latin-1'  
instead (should usually fit my needs, but isn't generally usable),  
i.e. unicode(text.decode('quoted-printable'), 'latin-1')

Now I've finally the readable text of the message in proper unicode.
Let's make a reply mail:

reply = message.reply(opening_window=True)

I don't understand why usually a message window is invisible, but  
anyway, that works so far.

reply.content.set(decrypted_text)

Doesn't work: If I try it in PyCrust, the new text appears above the  
initial content, can't delete that.
In my script I get only a CommandError:

CommandError -10000: Apple event handler failed.
	Failed command: app(u'/Applications/ 
Mail.app').outgoing_messages.ID(409455472).content.set(u'bla')

Despite that error, when I close Mail.app, a new message containing my  
text appears, i.e. instead of setting the content of my previously  
created reply mail, it makes a new outgoing message in the background.

* issue (4) [appscript syntax for Mail.app]:
How can I set the complete content of a reply message?


Your help on any of that issues is appreciated!


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
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From the.spider at gmx.de  Sun Aug 24 21:28:21 2008
From: the.spider at gmx.de (N3buK4Dn3ZZ4r)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG]  Creating Application()
Message-ID: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi there. 
I'm not a complete newbie in python, but in building GUIs. I've worked
around a bit with Tkinter and I think, I can handle this one, but I also
tried to work with the "FrameWork" module, to create Menubars and this kind
of stuff. But I did not even get a Application() object createt. Could
anyone please post a simple code example, that creates a Application()
Object and a Menuitem or something like this?
Thank you very much,
N3buK4Dn3ZZ4r
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From Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl  Sun Aug 24 23:28:51 2008
From: Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl (Jack Jansen)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:51 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Creating Application()
In-Reply-To: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3CD63ABF-4357-4786-8FF9-00A25999F731@cwi.nl>


On  24-Aug-2008, at 21:28 , N3buK4Dn3ZZ4r wrote:

>
> Hi there.
> I'm not a complete newbie in python, but in building GUIs. I've worked
> around a bit with Tkinter and I think, I can handle this one, but I  
> also
> tried to work with the "FrameWork" module, to create Menubars and  
> this kind
> of stuff. But I did not even get a Application() object createt. Could
> anyone please post a simple code example, that creates a Application()
> Object and a Menuitem or something like this?

Unless you have a very good reason to use FrameWork (and it appears  
you don't, as you're just starting): stay away from FrameWork. It is  
almost 15 years old (originally written by Guido himself), uses MacOS9  
APIs that are likely to disappear some time soon and hasn't been  
maintained in 7 years or so (I know, I was the last maintainer).

If you want to try something new for GUI development: look at Cocoa/ 
PyObjC. It is completely unlike anything else and the learning curve  
can be pretty steep when you come from another GUI toolkit, but that's  
mainly because you have to un-learn a lot of things. A Cocoa GUI  
almost writes itself. I always have the feeling that I've somehow  
cheated when I'm done: the GUI works, but I don't remember actually  
writing any code:-)


--
Jack Jansen, <Jack.Jansen at cwi.nl>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack
If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma  
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From dwf at cs.toronto.edu  Mon Aug 25 07:45:26 2008
From: dwf at cs.toronto.edu (David Warde-Farley)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:45:26 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] catching the Cmd+Q event
In-Reply-To: <16E15E07-0BE0-4E91-A039-6182AD15E81A@fiee.net>
References: <3CFD0273-F649-47E2-A9F5-5CD584C24B87@cs.toronto.edu>
	<16E15E07-0BE0-4E91-A039-6182AD15E81A@fiee.net>
Message-ID: <30043800-2E7E-4E13-9FF7-350C256AA7E7@cs.toronto.edu>

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. Do you mean to say __del__ of wx.App?

David

On 24-Aug-08, at 5:08 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Am 2008-08-24 um 10:41 schrieb David Warde-Farley:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to catch Cmd+Q in a  
>> threaded wx/Tkinter/etc. event loop.
>
> I remember catching the quit event of a wxPython loop on Windows  
> several years ago, because there was a zombie process left if I  
> didn't close the last window carefully.
> As far as I can remember, I overwrote the __del__ method of the  
> application.
>
>
> Greetlings from Lake Constance!
> Hraban
> ---
> http://www.fiee.net
> https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig


From hraban at fiee.net  Mon Aug 25 17:26:26 2008
From: hraban at fiee.net (Henning Hraban Ramm)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:26:26 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Creating Application()
In-Reply-To: <3CD63ABF-4357-4786-8FF9-00A25999F731@cwi.nl>
References: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<3CD63ABF-4357-4786-8FF9-00A25999F731@cwi.nl>
Message-ID: <604D2671-52BA-44F0-85F6-C8FB7F021C8F@fiee.net>

Am 2008-08-24 um 23:28 schrieb Jack Jansen:

>> I'm not a complete newbie in python, but in building GUIs. I've  
>> worked
>> around a bit with Tkinter and I think, I can handle this one, but I  
>> also
>> tried to work with the "FrameWork" module, to create Menubars and  
>> this kind
>> of stuff. But I did not even get a Application() object createt.  
>> Could
>> anyone please post a simple code example, that creates a  
>> Application()
>> Object and a Menuitem or something like this?
>
> Unless you have a very good reason to use FrameWork (and it appears  
> you don't, as you're just starting): stay away from FrameWork. It is  
> almost 15 years old (originally written by Guido himself), uses  
> MacOS9 APIs that are likely to disappear some time soon and hasn't  
> been maintained in 7 years or so (I know, I was the last maintainer).
>
> If you want to try something new for GUI development: look at Cocoa/ 
> PyObjC. It is completely unlike anything else and the learning curve  
> can be pretty steep when you come from another GUI toolkit, but  
> that's mainly because you have to un-learn a lot of things. A Cocoa  
> GUI almost writes itself. I always have the feeling that I've  
> somehow cheated when I'm done: the GUI works, but I don't remember  
> actually writing any code:-)

Do you think Cocoa is really usable without understanding a bit of ObjC?

I'd suggest trying wxPython, preferably via dabo (see dabodev.com);  
unfortunately the documentation isn't that good, but the developers  
are really helpful.

I agree that Cocoa is probably better, if you target OSX only.


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net
https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)




From djcypod at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 18:41:56 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:41:56 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Creating Application()
In-Reply-To: <604D2671-52BA-44F0-85F6-C8FB7F021C8F@fiee.net>
References: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<3CD63ABF-4357-4786-8FF9-00A25999F731@cwi.nl>
	<604D2671-52BA-44F0-85F6-C8FB7F021C8F@fiee.net>
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0808250941g693f9607p55b1207f35a1d6f@mail.gmail.com>

can anyone recommend some tutorials for Cocoa ObjectiveC?

basically I'm trying to great a gui program that reads a file and then
displays a visualization of it, with a slide.

so everytime the ui will be different

with Tkinter that was easy just write a function that packs things to
the screen.

ex:
for item in list:
  Label(scrollfrawm(), text= item).grid(row=rows, column=0, sticky=W)
  rows += 1


On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban at fiee.net> wrote:
> Am 2008-08-24 um 23:28 schrieb Jack Jansen:
>
>>> I'm not a complete newbie in python, but in building GUIs. I've worked
>>> around a bit with Tkinter and I think, I can handle this one, but I also
>>> tried to work with the "FrameWork" module, to create Menubars and this
>>> kind
>>> of stuff. But I did not even get a Application() object createt. Could
>>> anyone please post a simple code example, that creates a Application()
>>> Object and a Menuitem or something like this?
>>
>> Unless you have a very good reason to use FrameWork (and it appears you
>> don't, as you're just starting): stay away from FrameWork. It is almost 15
>> years old (originally written by Guido himself), uses MacOS9 APIs that are
>> likely to disappear some time soon and hasn't been maintained in 7 years or
>> so (I know, I was the last maintainer).
>>
>> If you want to try something new for GUI development: look at
>> Cocoa/PyObjC. It is completely unlike anything else and the learning curve
>> can be pretty steep when you come from another GUI toolkit, but that's
>> mainly because you have to un-learn a lot of things. A Cocoa GUI almost
>> writes itself. I always have the feeling that I've somehow cheated when I'm
>> done: the GUI works, but I don't remember actually writing any code:-)
>
> Do you think Cocoa is really usable without understanding a bit of ObjC?
>
> I'd suggest trying wxPython, preferably via dabo (see dabodev.com);
> unfortunately the documentation isn't that good, but the developers are
> really helpful.
>
> I agree that Cocoa is probably better, if you target OSX only.
>
>
> Greetlings from Lake Constance!
> Hraban
> ---
> http://www.fiee.net
> https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

From m.vanland at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 23:15:41 2008
From: m.vanland at gmail.com (Michael VanLandingham)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:15:41 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] building bundles with setuptools, py2app,
	64-bit python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <A4013567-CA32-4C66-B245-76F195717ECB@mac.com>
References: <b364be0808192005l31bd4633p8983e97d738cd724@mail.gmail.com>
	<A4013567-CA32-4C66-B245-76F195717ECB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D4DBCE3C-527E-43F0-8114-8904685084CF@gmail.com>

Finally getting back to this...
So I built and installed setuptools from the 0.6 branch, which got me  
further, but now I get this macholib error (below) during py2app's  
linking phase.  Any way around this or clues as to what it is?   I  
don't see this error if I use the 32-bit python, just the 64 / 4-way  
fat.

Another thing I'm seeing is that running setup.py py2app on my plugin  
w/ the 64-bit python and PyObjC is that it pulls in the 'whole world',  
OpenGL, documentation, everything.  Running the same thing with the  
system Python doesn't do this.  Consequently the resulting plugin  
bundle is too big and it takes much longer to build.

Finally, doing 'lipo -info python2.6-64' suggests that the python-64  
binary isn't just 64-bit, it's 4-way.  Is that intentional?

Thanks again,
Michael



linking /Volumes/max/Sandbox/workshop/PyTestBundle/dist/ 
PyTester.plugin/Contents/Frameworks/Python64.framework/Versions/ 
Current -> 2.6
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/py2app/py2app/ 
build_app.py", line 579, in _run
     self.run_normal()
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/py2app/py2app/ 
build_app.py", line 650, in run_normal
     self.create_binaries(py_files, pkgdirs, extensions, loader_files)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/py2app/py2app/ 
build_app.py", line 758, in create_binaries
     mm.mm.run_file(runtime)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
MachOGraph.py", line 66, in run_file
     m = self.createNode(MachO, pathname)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
MachOStandalone.py", line 23, in createNode
     res = super(FilteredMachOGraph, self).createNode(cls, name)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/altgraph/altgraph/ 
ObjectGraph.py", line 148, in createNode
     m = cls(name, *args, **kw)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
MachO.py", line 63, in __init__
     self.load(file(filename, 'rb'))
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
MachO.py", line 73, in load
     self.load_fat(fh)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
MachO.py", line 81, in load_fat
     self.fat = fat_header.from_fileobj(fh)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
ptypes.py", line 44, in from_fileobj
     return cls.from_str(f.read(cls._size_), **kw)
   File "/Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
ptypes.py", line 48, in from_str
     return cls.from_tuple(struct.unpack(endian + cls._format_, s),  
**kw)
error: unpack requires a string argument of length 8
 > /Volumes/max/Sandbox/pyobjc_public/pyobjc/macholib/macholib/ 
ptypes.py(48)from_str()
-> return cls.from_tuple(struct.unpack(endian + cls._format_, s), **kw)
(Pdb)



On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:02 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
> On 20 Aug, 2008, at 5:05, Michael VanLandingham wrote:
>> I recently built a Python64.framework & interpreter from the 2.6  
>> sources (using Ronald O's recently recommended build settings), and  
>> then build PyObjC.   Because I got an error running PyObjC's build  
>> script, (setup tries to pull down an URL that's non-existent:  http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/s/setuptools/setuptools-0.6c8-py2.6.egg) 
>> , I built and installed setuptools from svn.python.org with/for my  
>> 4-way fat python build.
>>
>> I need to create 64-bit compatible versions of some PyObjC bundles  
>> that we're using.  However, when I tried to use it, like this:
>>
>> $ /usr/local/python64 setup.py py2app
>>
>> I got the error below.  Which points to what looks like a problem  
>> in setuptools.  Can anyone offer any advice here?   Maybe I need a  
>> less cutting edge version of setuptools?
>> Is anyone using 64-bit python, PyObjC to build 64-bit or 4-way fat  
>> apps or plugin bundles, and if so, how?
>
> There might be issues with py2app and setuptools 0.7 (the trunk of  
> setuptools), the 0.6 branch of setuptools should work fine.




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From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Mon Aug 25 23:44:14 2008
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:44:14 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] controlling Mail.app and GnuPG
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40.1219658411.27384.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.40.1219658411.27384.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <6BCAF426-4EE3-47F1-85E1-8B303A8C24AB@virgin.net>

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> It is known that the public API of Apple's Mail.app is incomplete  
> and buggy, therefore stuff like the GnuPG plugin stay in eternal  
> beta (and just don't work on my German system - I guess i might my a  
> language problem).
> Anyway.
>
> I tried to write a little helper for GPG encrypted mails - before I  
> dragged the "encrypted.asc" attachment in some folder, called gpg in  
> the bash, copied the decrypted text back in my reply window and  
> replaced all the MIME codes with proper umlauts etc.
> (I can encrypt the mail via S/MIME, my friend can decrypt that, but  
> didn't get S/MIME encryption to work in her Linux Thunderbird or  
> Evolution, so she sends GPG encrypted...)
>
> So, my script gets the selected message in Mail.app...
>
> * issue (1) [appscript syntax for Mail.app]:
> I can list the attachments with appscript, but I didn't find a way  
> to save them or to access them as files.

Something like this should work (assuming the files don't already  
exist in the destination folder):

message = app('Mail').selection()[0]
for attachment in message.mail_attachments():
	attachment.save(in_=mactypes.File(u'/path/to/outfolder/' +  
attachment.name()))


> Now I've finally the readable text of the message in proper unicode.
> Let's make a reply mail:
>
> reply = message.reply(opening_window=True)
>
> I don't understand why usually a message window is invisible, but  
> anyway, that works so far.
>
> reply.content.set(decrypted_text)
>
> Doesn't work: If I try it in PyCrust, the new text appears above the  
> initial content, can't delete that.
> In my script I get only a CommandError:
>
> CommandError -10000: Apple event handler failed.
> 	Failed command: app(u'/Applications/ 
> Mail.app').outgoing_messages.ID(409455472).content.set(u'bla')
>
> Despite that error, when I close Mail.app, a new message containing  
> my text appears, i.e. instead of setting the content of my  
> previously created reply mail, it makes a new outgoing message in  
> the background.
>
> * issue (4) [appscript syntax for Mail.app]:
> How can I set the complete content of a reply message?


Dunno offhand; might have time to look into it tomorrow unless anyone  
else has any ideas. As you say, Mail's scripting interface is less  
than stellar. BTW, you could also try asking on Apple's AppleScript- 
users mailing list; I expect there's a few folk there who've had  
dealings with Mail as well and might be able to shed some light on the  
problem.

HTH

has
-- 
Control AppleScriptable applications from Python, Ruby and ObjC:
http://appscript.sourceforge.net


From pascal.bompard at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 04:17:18 2008
From: pascal.bompard at gmail.com (Pascal Bompard)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:17:18 +0800
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Creating Application()
In-Reply-To: <fc5507fa0808250941g693f9607p55b1207f35a1d6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<3CD63ABF-4357-4786-8FF9-00A25999F731@cwi.nl>
	<604D2671-52BA-44F0-85F6-C8FB7F021C8F@fiee.net>
	<fc5507fa0808250941g693f9607p55b1207f35a1d6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D149AEF-CF80-498D-8252-95063613CE91@gmail.com>

This tutorial series is brand new: http://lethain.com/entry/2008/aug/22/an-epic-introduction-to-pyobjc-and-cocoa/

Looks like a good one too, although I can't verify that as I haven't  
had the time to work through it yet.

I have worked through a few tuts at http://cocoadevcentral.com/ and  
can vouch that they're very good, although they're pure Cocoa/ObjC  -  
not PyObjC.

Also, if you'd like a walk through of using Xcode 3 to produce Cocoa  
apps, I found this to be a nice introduction: http://www.viddler.com/explore/cocoaheads/videos/1/



On 26/08/2008, at 12:41 AM, beau wrote:

> can anyone recommend some tutorials for Cocoa ObjectiveC?
>
> basically I'm trying to great a gui program that reads a file and then
> displays a visualization of it, with a slide.
>
> so everytime the ui will be different
>
> with Tkinter that was easy just write a function that packs things to
> the screen.
>
> ex:
> for item in list:
>  Label(scrollfrawm(), text= item).grid(row=rows, column=0, sticky=W)
>  rows += 1
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm  
> <hraban at fiee.net> wrote:
>> Am 2008-08-24 um 23:28 schrieb Jack Jansen:
>>
>>>> I'm not a complete newbie in python, but in building GUIs. I've  
>>>> worked
>>>> around a bit with Tkinter and I think, I can handle this one, but  
>>>> I also
>>>> tried to work with the "FrameWork" module, to create Menubars and  
>>>> this
>>>> kind
>>>> of stuff. But I did not even get a Application() object createt.  
>>>> Could
>>>> anyone please post a simple code example, that creates a  
>>>> Application()
>>>> Object and a Menuitem or something like this?
>>>
>>> Unless you have a very good reason to use FrameWork (and it  
>>> appears you
>>> don't, as you're just starting): stay away from FrameWork. It is  
>>> almost 15
>>> years old (originally written by Guido himself), uses MacOS9 APIs  
>>> that are
>>> likely to disappear some time soon and hasn't been maintained in 7  
>>> years or
>>> so (I know, I was the last maintainer).
>>>
>>> If you want to try something new for GUI development: look at
>>> Cocoa/PyObjC. It is completely unlike anything else and the  
>>> learning curve
>>> can be pretty steep when you come from another GUI toolkit, but  
>>> that's
>>> mainly because you have to un-learn a lot of things. A Cocoa GUI  
>>> almost
>>> writes itself. I always have the feeling that I've somehow cheated  
>>> when I'm
>>> done: the GUI works, but I don't remember actually writing any  
>>> code:-)
>>
>> Do you think Cocoa is really usable without understanding a bit of  
>> ObjC?
>>
>> I'd suggest trying wxPython, preferably via dabo (see dabodev.com);
>> unfortunately the documentation isn't that good, but the developers  
>> are
>> really helpful.
>>
>> I agree that Cocoa is probably better, if you target OSX only.
>>
>>
>> Greetlings from Lake Constance!
>> Hraban
>> ---
>> http://www.fiee.net
>> https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From kw at codebykevin.com  Tue Aug 26 16:02:57 2008
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Creating Application()
In-Reply-To: <9D149AEF-CF80-498D-8252-95063613CE91@gmail.com>
References: <19133860.post@talk.nabble.com>	<3CD63ABF-4357-4786-8FF9-00A25999F731@cwi.nl>	<604D2671-52BA-44F0-85F6-C8FB7F021C8F@fiee.net>	<fc5507fa0808250941g693f9607p55b1207f35a1d6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D149AEF-CF80-498D-8252-95063613CE91@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B40D11.1010407@codebykevin.com>


> On 26/08/2008, at 12:41 AM, beau wrote:
> 
>> can anyone recommend some tutorials for Cocoa ObjectiveC?
>>
>> basically I'm trying to great a gui program that reads a file and then
>> displays a visualization of it, with a slide.
>>
>> so everytime the ui will be different
>>
>> with Tkinter that was easy just write a function that packs things to
>> the screen.
>>
>> ex:
>> for item in list:
>>  Label(scrollfrawm(), text= item).grid(row=rows, column=0, sticky=W)
>>  rows += 1
>>

If you've used Tkinter and are comfortable with it, why not just use 
that for your GUI?  It runs fine on the Mac, and is much simpler, 
especially if you don't need the bells and whistles of Cocoa.

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From kaerbuhez at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 13:39:32 2008
From: kaerbuhez at gmail.com (Kaer Buhez)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:39:32 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app and bdist_mpkg on Linux?
Message-ID: <f45780780808270439v5f885ca5n19e728212d08b628@mail.gmail.com>

Arne Babenhauserheide
(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2008-May/020023.html)
wrote:
>The use of py2app on GNU/Linux is, that I want to distribute apps to non-linux
>users, but I don't have MacOSX running anywhere near.
>
>I develop on my Gentoo Box, and I want to be able to create programs for
>friends of mine who use MacOSX.
>
>Python is cross platform, but to really use that advantage, I need to be able
>to distribute Python programs for individual platforms easily.
>
>And I want to enable other Linux users to do the same.

Kevin Walzer (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2008-May/020024.html)
wrote:
>If you want to distribute standalone apps with the Python interpreter
>embedded, that can't be done in a cross-platform manner. A Python binary
>built on Linux won't run on OS X.

Ronald Oussoren
(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2008-May/020046.html)
wrote:
>It should in theory be possible to enhance py2app to support this. The
>Carbon.File dependency is only needed for alias builds, and those are
>only useful during development anyway.
>
>I'd be surprised if this works out of the box though, first of all
>distutils isn't very well suited to cross-compilation anyway and
>py2app probably has hardcoded locations that won't exist on you're
>Gentoo box.
>
>And as a final observation: distributing builds without testing is
>wishful thinking. It would be much more worthwhile to ask one of
>you're friends if you can use their system to do the initial debugging
>on MacOSX and afterwards ask them to build the MacOSX binaries for you.

I develop a standalone cross-platform python/wxpython app on linux and
I have exactly the same concern (on ubuntu). I would make sure that
there is no simple solution to use py2app on linux to build the
comprehensive bundle (with a python interpreter and wxpython in it)
that I can send to mac os x users.

I planned to use one (not two) mac to test the bundle anyway and I
could use it to run py2app. My concern is that I need to test the
bundle on this mac afterwards and I am afraid that my (wx)python
installs will false the test. Then my question: what is the best way
to install python and test afterwards ? different users, uninstall
everything ... how ?

Thx in advance for your ideas, suggestions ...

KB

From djcypod at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 21:11:44 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:11:44 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app import framework
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0808271211w67332394ye5eb3d3e86f573e5@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to do a framework build to import tk and python2.5 for my
application bundle with py2app

This is the page I've been looking at:
http://livingcode.org/tag/distribution

"""
This is a setup.py script generated by py2applet

Usage:
    python setup.py py2app
"""

import objc, AppKit, Foundation, os

from setuptools import setup

objc.loadBundle('Tcl.framework', globals(),
bundle_path='/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework')

APP = ['appName.py']
DATA_FILES = []
OPTIONS = {'argv_emulation': True}

setup(
    app=APP,
    data_files=DATA_FILES,
    options={'py2app': OPTIONS},
    setup_requires=['Tcl.framework'],
)


do I have to add anything to the appName.py to inorder to build these
and execute them on other machines that maynot have tk or have an
earlier version of python installed? also are there any command line
arguments when running the /usr/bin/pyhton setup.py py2app
--framework=Tcl.framework --framework=Python.framework?

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Aug 27 21:53:29 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:53:29 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app import framework
In-Reply-To: <fc5507fa0808271211w67332394ye5eb3d3e86f573e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc5507fa0808271211w67332394ye5eb3d3e86f573e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B5B0B9.8000206@noaa.gov>

beau wrote:
> I am trying to do a framework build to import tk and python2.5 for my
> application bundle with py2app

> """
> This is a setup.py script generated by py2applet
> 
> Usage:
>     python setup.py py2app
> """
> 
> import objc, AppKit, Foundation, os
> 
> from setuptools import setup
> 
> objc.loadBundle('Tcl.framework', globals(),
> bundle_path='/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework')
> 
> APP = ['appName.py']
> DATA_FILES = []
> OPTIONS = {'argv_emulation': True}
> 
> setup(
>     app=APP,
>     data_files=DATA_FILES,
>     options={'py2app': OPTIONS},
>     setup_requires=['Tcl.framework'],
> )

Is that the exact script you got from py2applet? All that 
objc.loadbundle etc should not be required.

Did you try the very simplest setup.py first? A tk app should just built 
automagically.


> do I have to add anything to the appName.py to inorder to build these
> and execute them on other machines that maynot have tk or have an
> earlier version of python installed? 

what python are you using? if you are using the Framework build from 
python.org, then it should all "just work". If you are using the Apple 
supplied python, then py2app will not include python itself.

-Chris

-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

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From selassid at carleton.edu  Wed Aug 27 20:43:37 2008
From: selassid at carleton.edu (David Selassie)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:43:37 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app PyOpenGL "Unable to find an implementation"
	Error
Message-ID: <fc20dab30808271143h65131805l1e51eaf5693609a8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to package up a program I wrote that uses
PyOpenGL-3.0.0b4-py2.5.egg, numpy-1.1.1-py2.5-macosx-10.3-ppc.egg
installed with easy_install and PIL. I know there's been a bit of
trouble getting PyOpenGL scripts to play nicely in py2app, but I have
not been able to find any help about anyone that has run into the
error "RuntimeError: Unable to find an implementation for the 'darwin'
('posix') platform". Generating the app file runs without complaint
but this error occurs when trying to run the program.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to the cause or what to do?

The console log is as follows:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM PyTensor[4893] PyTensor Error
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM PyTensor[4893] PyTensor Error
An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script

RuntimeError: Unable to find an implementation for the 'darwin'
('posix') platform

8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893] Traceback (most
recent call last):
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Users/selassid/Projects/PyTensor/dist/PyTensor.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py",
line 158, in <module>
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]
_run('PyTensor.py')
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Users/selassid/Projects/PyTensor/dist/PyTensor.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py",
line 134, in _run
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]
execfile(path, globals(), globals())
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Users/selassid/Projects/PyTensor/dist/PyTensor.app/Contents/Resources/PyTensor.py",
line 10, in <module>
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]     from
OpenGL.GL import *
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyOpenGL-3.0.0b4-py2.5.egg/OpenGL/GL/__init__.py",
line 2, in <module>
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]     from
OpenGL.raw.GL import *
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyOpenGL-3.0.0b4-py2.5.egg/OpenGL/raw/GL/__init__.py",
line 6, in <module>
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]     from
OpenGL.raw.GL.constants import *
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyOpenGL-3.0.0b4-py2.5.egg/OpenGL/raw/GL/constants.py",
line 7, in <module>
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]     from OpenGL
import platform, arrays
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyOpenGL-3.0.0b4-py2.5.egg/OpenGL/platform/__init__.py",
line 57, in <module>
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]     _load()
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]   File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyOpenGL-3.0.0b4-py2.5.egg/OpenGL/platform/__init__.py",
line 53, in _load
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]
sys.platform, os.name,
8/27/08 11:29:25 AM
[0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893] RuntimeError:
Unable to find an implementation for the 'darwin' ('posix') platform
8/27/08 11:29:27 AM com.apple.launchd[149]
([0x0-0x6e06e].org.pythonmac.unspecified.PyTensor[4893]) Exited with
exit code: 255
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for your help.

- David Selassie

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug 28 17:47:07 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:47:07 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app import framework
In-Reply-To: <fc5507fa0808271759u29b6164aiba21a980197a8737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc5507fa0808271211w67332394ye5eb3d3e86f573e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<48B5B0B9.8000206@noaa.gov>
	<fc5507fa0808271759u29b6164aiba21a980197a8737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B6C87B.1070605@noaa.gov>

beau wrote:
>> Is that the exact script you got from py2applet? All that objc.loadbundle
>> etc should not be required.
> 
> 
> No this is the modification of script based on the webpage that I
> found just switching Tcl.framework for Renaissance.framework

That is probably not required -- Tcl/Tk comes standard with python -- it 
should not need any special handling.

> it works on my machine where I built TK and Python2.5 but not on other
> machines that don't have those libraries.  So I'm trying to build a
> bundle that is totally self contained.

again:

>> what python are you using?

This can make all the difference. not just the version number, but what 
build, how/where was it installed?

I think the build from python,org is your best bet if you want to 
distribute with py2app.

-Chris



-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug 28 19:39:39 2008
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Christopher Barker)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:39:39 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app import framework
In-Reply-To: <fc5507fa0808281023h1760fc97x53dec82c3ae0b472@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc5507fa0808271211w67332394ye5eb3d3e86f573e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<48B5B0B9.8000206@noaa.gov>
	<fc5507fa0808271759u29b6164aiba21a980197a8737@mail.gmail.com>
	<48B6C87B.1070605@noaa.gov>
	<fc5507fa0808281023h1760fc97x53dec82c3ae0b472@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B6E2DB.9080902@noaa.gov>

Please make sure your messages go to the pythonmac list also -- it's not 
the default if you hit "reply"

beau wrote:
>>>> what python are you using?
>> This can make all the difference. not just the version number, but what
>> build, how/where was it installed?>
> 
> I built it from source code downloaded at python.org

why not just use the standard binary?

> Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 15 2008, 22:57:26)
> 
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  group  72 Aug 13 19:00 /usr/bin/python ->
> ../../System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/python

That's odd -- I didn't think the source distro installed into "System". 
Are you sure you're not using Apple-supplied one? Are you on 10.5?

anyway, I'm sorry I can't help with a self-built one -- i have no idea 
what extra issues there may be.

-Chris




-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer

Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From djcypod at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 23:04:36 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:04:36 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app import framework
In-Reply-To: <48B6E2DB.9080902@noaa.gov>
References: <fc5507fa0808271211w67332394ye5eb3d3e86f573e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<48B5B0B9.8000206@noaa.gov>
	<fc5507fa0808271759u29b6164aiba21a980197a8737@mail.gmail.com>
	<48B6C87B.1070605@noaa.gov>
	<fc5507fa0808281023h1760fc97x53dec82c3ae0b472@mail.gmail.com>
	<48B6E2DB.9080902@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0808281404g2f59590cp82794f03f58c3fc9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Christopher Barker
<Chris.Barker at noaa.gov> wrote:
> Please make sure your messages go to the pythonmac list also -- it's not the
> default if you hit "reply"
>
> beau wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> what python are you using?
>>>
>>> This can make all the difference. not just the version number, but what
>>> build, how/where was it installed?>
>>
>> I built it from source code downloaded at python.org
>
> why not just use the standard binary?
>
>> Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 15 2008, 22:57:26)
>>
>> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  group  72 Aug 13 19:00 /usr/bin/python ->
>> ../../System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/python
>
> That's odd -- I didn't think the source distro installed into "System". Are
> you sure you're not using Apple-supplied one? Are you on 10.5?
>
> anyway, I'm sorry I can't help with a self-built one -- i have no idea what
> extra issues there may be.

I wanted to build it as a framework, I'll try the binary since you
said that it worked for you


> -Chris
>
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
> Oceanographer
>
> Emergency Response Division
> NOAA/NOS/OR&R            (206) 526-6959   voice
> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>
> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
>

From hraban at fiee.net  Fri Aug 29 18:15:51 2008
From: hraban at fiee.net (Henning Hraban Ramm)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:15:51 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] controlling Mail.app and GnuPG
In-Reply-To: <6BCAF426-4EE3-47F1-85E1-8B303A8C24AB@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.40.1219658411.27384.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<6BCAF426-4EE3-47F1-85E1-8B303A8C24AB@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <09856A6C-614E-415A-942E-F7FF35C7C567@fiee.net>

Am 2008-08-25 um 23:44 schrieb has:

>> * issue (1) [appscript syntax for Mail.app]:
>> I can list the attachments with appscript, but I didn't find a way  
>> to save them or to access them as files.
>
> Something like this should work (assuming the files don't already  
> exist in the destination folder):
>
> message = app('Mail').selection()[0]
> for attachment in message.mail_attachments():
> 	attachment.save(in_=mactypes.File(u'/path/to/outfolder/' +  
> attachment.name()))

Thank you, that works.
Now I can drop my MIME attachment decoding.

>> Now I've finally the readable text of the message in proper unicode.
>> Let's make a reply mail:
>>
>> reply = message.reply(opening_window=True)
>>
>> I don't understand why usually a message window is invisible, but  
>> anyway, that works so far.
>>
>> reply.content.set(decrypted_text)
>>
>> Doesn't work: If I try it in PyCrust, the new text appears above  
>> the initial content, can't delete that.
>> In my script I get only a CommandError:
>>
>> CommandError -10000: Apple event handler failed.
>> 	Failed command: app(u'/Applications/ 
>> Mail.app').outgoing_messages.ID(409455472).content.set(u'bla')
>>
>> Despite that error, when I close Mail.app, a new message containing  
>> my text appears, i.e. instead of setting the content of my  
>> previously created reply mail, it makes a new outgoing message in  
>> the background.
>>
>> * issue (4) [appscript syntax for Mail.app]:
>> How can I set the complete content of a reply message?
>
> Dunno offhand; might have time to look into it tomorrow unless  
> anyone else has any ideas. As you say, Mail's scripting interface is  
> less than stellar. BTW, you could also try asking on Apple's  
> AppleScript-users mailing list; I expect there's a few folk there  
> who've had dealings with Mail as well and might be able to shed some  
> light on the problem.


I found a blog entry that collects some of Mail.app's bugs, including  
this:
http://willwont.blogspot.com/2008/04/applescripting-mailapp.html

I also found a thread on an Apple list, where several guys tried to  
get replies working (and didn't) - strangely at one of them's machine  
it worked (but even there only after each other restart of Mail.app):
http://lists.apple.com/archives/applescript-users/2007/Jan/threads.html#00085

Remember I got it partly working from PyCrust, but not from my own  
script - there's a trick involved anywhere...

Here's another attempt:


reply = message.reply(opening_window=True)
reply.close(saving=k.no) # close useless reply

for m in mailapp.outgoing_messages():
	m.visible.set(True) # make hidden messages visible


I tried "everything", but didn't manage to set any outgoing_message's  
content or add a recipient.
I thought the following should work:

  reply.to_recipients.end.make(
  	new=k.recipient,
  		with_properties={
  			'address': message.sender.extract_address_from(),
  			'name': message.sender.extract_name_from()
  		})
  reply.content.set(decrypted)


Now I just copy my content to the clipboard  
( osax.ScriptingAddition.set_clipboard_to() ), so I can paste it as  
reply.


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
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From joelosco at frontiernet.net  Sat Aug 30 19:33:02 2008
From: joelosco at frontiernet.net (Joseph W. Losco)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2App and Appscript / wxPython
Message-ID: <4A5DDCCC-AA71-4EBA-A5F6-F8505736037C@frontiernet.net>

Hey all,
I have an app that I've been trying to compile / bundle with py2app  
for a little while now.  I have been having some trouble and I did a  
little research online and learned that py2app can't bundle egg files,  
except I thought I saw somewhere that the SVN version can.. So I've  
tried with easy_install py2app==dev with its dependancy  
modulegraph==dev.  I also tried downloading the uncompiled source of  
appscript (which I'm not sure if i did properly, but i did a python  
setup.py develop so that it would not compile to an egg.

The error I'm getting is listed below as well as my setup.py    (with  
minor error differences that I can tell from the versions of py2app  
and appscript)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Joe Losco


Error after running python setup.py py2app

running py2app
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/Users/josephlosco/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/ 
py2app-0.4.2-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 579, in _run
     self.run_normal()
   File "/Users/josephlosco/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/ 
py2app-0.4.2-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 631, in run_normal
     mf = self.get_modulefinder()
   File "/Users/josephlosco/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/ 
py2app-0.4.2-py2.5.egg/py2app/build_app.py", line 539, in  
get_modulefinder
     debug=debug,
   File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/modulegraph/ 
find_modules.py", line 255, in find_modules
     find_needed_modules(mf, scripts, includes, packages)
   File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/modulegraph/ 
find_modules.py", line 190, in find_needed_modules
     path = m.packagepath[0]
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable
 > /Users/josephlosco/Code/hg/CalendarSyncGUI/build/bdist.macosx-10.3- 
i386/egg/modulegraph/find_modules.py(190)find_needed_modules()



My setup.py file is as follows.

#!/usr/bin/env python
"""
setup.py - script for building CalendarSync

Usage:
     % python setup.py py2app
"""
from distutils.core import setup
import py2app
from plistlib import Plist
import os

name = 'CalendarSync'
version = '1.0.0'

# Build the .app file
setup(
     app=[ name + '.py' ],
     options=dict(
         py2app=dict(
             iconfile='CalendarSync.icns',
             packages=['wx','appscript'],
             site_packages=True,
             resources=['resources/COPYING','CalendarSync.icns'],
             plist=dict(
                 CFBundleName               = "CalendarSync",
                 CFBundleShortVersionString = "1.0.0",     # must be  
in X.X.X format
                 CFBundleGetInfoString      = "CalendarSync 1.0.0",
                 CFBundleExecutable         = "CalendarSync",
             ),
         ),
     ),

)


From coolcucumber at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 03:43:01 2008
From: coolcucumber at gmail.com (John Porter Simons)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:43:01 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Making setuptools compile for x86_64
Message-ID: <678ff0e00808301843r32228730ia1ef4c4c7ce04284@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to this list, sorry if this was already asked.

I installed (py-)appscript using "setup.py install" and it works fine from
an interactive session, but when I try to use it from python loaded into
Apache through mod_python, I get this error:

Could not import darkporter.jukebox.views. Error was:
dlopen(/Library/WebServer/.python-eggs/appscript-0.19.0-py2.5-macosx-10.5-i386.egg-tmp/aem/ae.so,
2): no suitable image found.  Did find:
	/Library/WebServer/.python-eggs/appscript-0.19.0-py2.5-macosx-10.5-i386.egg-tmp/aem/ae.so:
no matching architecture in universal wrapper

Which I think is because Apache runs in 64-bit so any scripts loaded in also
will? If I do "file" on that .so I get:

/Library/WebServer/.python-eggs/appscript-0.19.0-py2.5-macosx-10.5-i386.egg-tmp/aem/ae.so:
Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
/Library/WebServer/.python-eggs/appscript-0.19.0-py2.5-macosx-10.5-i386.egg-tmp/aem/ae.so
(for architecture i386):    Mach-O bundle i386
/Library/WebServer/.python-eggs/appscript-0.19.0-py2.5-macosx-10.5-i386.egg-tmp/aem/ae.so
(for architecture ppc7400):    Mach-O bundle ppc

Any way to inform setuptools that I also need "x86_64" architecture? I also
ran into this problem while installing mod_python, dinked around with the
makefile flags but gave up until I discovered that the latest subversion
trunk has the correct flags for 64-bit.

If I really have to I could recompile Apache in 32-bit, but I'm hoping that
won't be necessary.
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From coolcucumber at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 05:02:08 2008
From: coolcucumber at gmail.com (John Porter Simons)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:02:08 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Rocketship in the Dock
Message-ID: <678ff0e00808302002ra6c4c93xe6b2bf3b1355f628@mail.gmail.com>

There was a thread back in April:

On 29 Mar 2008, at 09:11, Alex MacCaw wrote:
>
> >* Thanks - that works.
> *>* I'm wondering how to get rid of the python rocket ship that appears
> *>* in the dock when I start sending applescript events. I've tried
> *>* deleting the object reference to app('Finder') but to no avail.
> *
>
> The command line python interpreter automatically upgrades to a full
> GUI process whenever OS APIs linked to the Window Manager are called.
> In appscript's case, it uses the Carbon Process Manager to launch
> applications and obtain their process IDs.
>
> This behaviour is useful when running scripts that need to display
> dialogs, etc. to users, but it's a nuisance the rest of the time and
> is something I'd like to get rid of if possible. I'm stuffed for spare
> time at the moment, but if anyone else fancies rewriting the relevant
> code then do let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> has
> --
> Control AppleScriptable applications from Python, Ruby and ObjC:
> http://appscript.sourceforge.net
>
> I can run appscript from an interactive session and just ignore the
rocketship in the dock, but when I run the same script from a
Apache/mod_python, it hangs. Probably because Apache doesn't run as a normal
user so it can't get a GUI context. This is a bummer, I was able to use
rb-appscript from a web script, I wish I could use py-appscript...

Someone on this thread mentioned forking appscript to take out the GUI
stuff, any chance they would share those changes with me?
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From airdrummer at wheel.org  Sun Aug 31 14:40:51 2008
From: airdrummer at wheel.org (tom wible)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:40:51 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Rocketship in the Dock
In-Reply-To: <678ff0e00808302002ra6c4c93xe6b2bf3b1355f628@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678ff0e00808302002ra6c4c93xe6b2bf3b1355f628@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BA9153.5080402@wheel.org>

> Apache/mod_python, it hangs. Probably because Apache doesn't run as a 
> normal user so it can't get a GUI context. This is a bummer, I was able 

i solved that problem by modding the sudoers file:

Cmnd_Alias      DVR_cmds=/usr/bin/osascript, /DVR/webAccess/scripts/*.sh
www     ALL=(DVR_ra)    NOPASSWD: DVR_cmds