Kelvin: Which Tk/TCL stuff from Scriptics did you use? Some choices (of binaries) are: mactk8.0.3.sea.hqx mactk8.0.4.sea.hqx mactk8.0.5.sea.hqx mactk8.1a2.sea.hqx mactk8.2.1.sea.hqx MacTk8.2.Final.PPC.sea.hqx MacTk8.3.0.sea.hqx -- jim m.