From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Mon May 20 12:21:29 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:21:29 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. Message-ID: <9605201121.AA04015=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Folks, a new Python distribution is available, 1.3.3. It is available as either a 68K binary distribution, a PPC binary distribution or (new!) a source distribution. Get it from and let me know what you think. If people could download it and try it that would be very helpful, I'm going to advertise it to a wider audience in a few days. Here's the highlights of the differences between 1.3.2 and 1.3.3: - Tcl/Tk support now uses final 7.5 and 4.1 distributions - Interfaces to Scrap, TextEdit and Waste (a textedit-on-steroids) added - Many new demo programs and some documentation -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Wed May 22 11:50:39 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:50:39 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. In-Reply-To: Message by Ivan Herman , Wed, 22 May 1996 09:33:15 +0200 , <9605220733.AA17452=ivan@petunia.cwi.nl> Message-ID: <9605221050.AA19348=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Recently, Ivan Herman said: > Before I engage into complicated problems on my mac, just some questions. > > - I presume the (binary) distribution include all the library hierarchy > , too Correct. It also contains documentation, examples, etc, everything you need for a fully functional system. > - some of your earlier remarks on Tk made be a bit afraid (you know, it > is > slow and big). What happens on a mac 68K? Does the binary interpreter include > > large portions of Tk code, i.e., the interpreter will swallow twice as much > memory as before even if I use 'traditional', i.e., non-Tk tools? Or is there > > some dynamic link possibility on the 68K, too? Hmm. Tk should slow you down if you don't need it, but it *does* take up memory. I can't check runtime size at the moment (my Mac here is dead), but the disk footprint is 1.6Mb. I could put together a leaner interpreter if people are interested, in which I would leave out Tcl/Tk (and possibly other stuff, img and stdwin come to mind). Let me know if there is interest in this. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Wed May 22 15:01:43 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:01:43 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Problems with 1.3.any distributions Message-ID: <9605221401.AA20554=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> To whoever I had a conversation with over the last few days on the 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 distrubtions for PPC not working (sorry, I lost the messages otherwise I would have sent personal mail): purely by accident I found the problem. Since 1.3.1 Python contains QuickTime support, and due to an oversight on my side this means that Quicktime Powerplug is *required*. If you don't have it the MkPluginAliases scripts will fail to work. I will fix this for future distributions, for now you should just drop the Quicktime Powerplug into your system folder and you should be all set. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From jstrout@ucsd.edu Wed May 22 15:51:54 1996 From: jstrout@ucsd.edu (Joseph Strout) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. In-Reply-To: <9605221050.AA19348=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 1996, Jack Jansen wrote: > I could put together a leaner interpreter if people are interested, in > which I would leave out Tcl/Tk (and possibly other stuff, img and > stdwin come to mind). Let me know if there is interest in this. I think this is a good idea. A "Python 68K Lite" or some such. My Mac at work is a Classic II with 4MB of RAM, so I need a stripped-down version of Python if it's to run at all. ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Department of Neuroscience, UCSD | | jstrout@ucsd.edu http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/~jstrout/ | `------------------------------------------------------------------' ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From jeff@ollie.clive.ia.us Wed May 22 16:33:35 1996 From: jeff@ollie.clive.ia.us (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Date: Wed, 22 May 96 10:33:35 -0500 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. Message-ID: <199605221533.KAA23769@worf.netins.net> On Wed, 22 May 1996, Jack Jansen wrote: > > I could put together a leaner interpreter if people are interested, in > which I would leave out Tcl/Tk (and possibly other stuff, img and > stdwin come to mind). Let me know if there is interest in this. I haven't taken a look at the Mac Python yet (way too much real work for me to do) but how much use is being made of the shared library functionality available in the latest releases of the Mac OS? I know that this would probably tie the interpreter to newer releases of the operating system but it should make the interpreter itself much smaller as well as saving space if standalone applications are ever produced. -- Jeffrey C. Ollie ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Wed May 22 16:48:05 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:48:05 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. In-Reply-To: Message by "Jeffrey C. Ollie" , Wed, 22 May 96 10:33:35 -0500 , <199605221533.KAA23769@worf.netins.net> Message-ID: <9605221548.AA21238=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Recently, "Jeffrey C. Ollie" said: > > I haven't taken a look at the Mac Python yet (way too much real work for > me to do) but how much use is being made of the shared library > functionality available in the latest releases of the Mac OS? I know that > this would probably tie the interpreter to newer releases of the > operating system but it should make the interpreter itself much smaller > as well as saving space if standalone applications are ever produced. PPC python does use the Code Fragment Manager, and has most modules in dynamically loadable libraries (hence they don't bother you until you use them). 68K Python will use CFM68K at some point, but I'm currently too busy to look into it. Some work has already be done on it by Guido and myself, so anyone with CW9 (or possibly CW8) could have a stab at it. The older shared-library architectures (ASLM, Code fragments, Component mgr, XFCN's) don't have enough functionality for Python (mainly the ability to do back-and-forth references). -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From managan@llnl.gov Wed May 22 17:35:23 1996 From: managan@llnl.gov (Rob Managan) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:23 -0700 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. In-Reply-To: <9605221548.AA21238=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> References: Message by "Jeffrey C. Ollie" , Wed, 22 May 96 10:33:35 -0500 , <199605221533.KAA23769@worf.netins.net> Message-ID: Speaking of modules being dynamically loadable I looked through the 1.3.3 list and did not see the numeric module. That is my main interest in Python at the moment and was wondering how hard it would be to compile it for the Mac. I have the MPW compilers and would be willing to help. I realize Python itself is compiled with MetroWerks but may be a module could be easily compiled with a number of compilers and be added to those available? 4U X#l-b F#h-d3e#r4].'cQ#y}@8G`%b7Et`%`5f5aI`i;NF"y;@`dQ9 aYei`4z &#j jE1GnU&sqQKu9@Pt" QA(CI>ZBHZ bP"NYP6P#?~1f}tT"dIw }O "9J* - Kev!? I can't seem to get Python 1.3.3 installed. I tossed Python Preferences and PythonCore, as instructed, but when I start, a Preferences file is created, but MkPluginAliases still complains that it can't find the os module. I played around with it (using Python68K to help explore), and it seems that the Preferences file that 1.3.3 creates doesn't match the current file structure. Has anyone been able to figure out a workaround? It occurred to me that if I re-installed 1.3.2 (I wiped it when I brought in 1.3.3, unfortunately), I could edit the Prefs to match the new file structure, and then I should be able to move over to 1.3.3 -- assuming that 1.3.2 and 1.3.3 had the same Preferences file format. If you've got it installed successfully, could you send me a copy of your Preferences file? Thanks! Mark -------------------------- Mark Guzdial : Georgia Tech : College of Computing : Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 (404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial@cc.gatech.edu http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Faculty/Mark.Guzdial.html ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Fri May 24 22:53:57 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 23:53:57 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. In-Reply-To: Message by Rob Managan , Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:23 -0700 , Message-ID: <9605242153.AA06691=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> No, compiling extension modules with mpw is impossible (as far as I know), because you will need to satisfy external references *from* the extnsion module *to* the PythonCore, and I think there is no way to do that. Is there anyone on the list with (a) CodeWarrior (b) a 1.3.3 source distribution, (c) interest in numerics and (d) time? If not I can look into it, but it will probably be after my holiday, somewhere halfway july. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Fri May 24 22:53:57 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 23:53:57 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. In-Reply-To: Message by Rob Managan , Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:23 -0700 , Message-ID: <9605242153.AA06691=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> No, compiling extension modules with mpw is impossible (as far as I know), because you will need to satisfy external references *from* the extnsion module *to* the PythonCore, and I think there is no way to do that. Is there anyone on the list with (a) CodeWarrior (b) a 1.3.3 source distribution, (c) interest in numerics and (d) time? If not I can look into it, but it will probably be after my holiday, somewhere halfway july. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From demars@netcom.com Sat May 25 18:02:14 1996 From: demars@netcom.com (Dennis C. De Mars) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 10:02:14 -0700 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available. Message-ID: At 11:53 PM 5/24/96, Jack Jansen wrote: >No, compiling extension modules with mpw is impossible (as far as I >know), because you will need to satisfy external references *from* the >extnsion module *to* the PythonCore, and I think there is no way to do >that. > >Is there anyone on the list with (a) CodeWarrior (b) a 1.3.3 source >distribution, (c) interest in numerics and (d) time? > >If not I can look into it, but it will probably be after my holiday, >somewhere halfway july. >-- >Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ >Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ >http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm > >================= >PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh > >send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org >administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org >================= I have (a), (b) and (c). I may have (d) this weekend. I have previously melded the numeric stuff into a previous version of Python for the Mac, and it wasn't too hard, but it didn't have all the features of the more recent versions of MacPython (like Tk support). Now that I have the "whole kit" for 1.3.3 I'll see if I can come up with a build with Numeric Python built in. For the information of those interested, there is a little more to it than simply adding a module (although that is required too). The Numeric Python code augments the Python parser to allow it to understand the extensions to the indexing syntax, as well as to recognize complex constants and maybe other stuff I can't think of right now. I know the latest Python release can parse the complex constants now, but probably doesn't parse the other stuff yet. Anyhow, my point is that the Python interpreter has to be recompiled with some files modified to support the numeric syntax, you can't just add a module. - Dennis D. ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Tue May 28 14:01:10 1996 From: friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com (Robin Friedrich) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 08:01:10 -0500 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor Message-ID: <199605281301.IAA04785@darwin.rsoc.rockwell.com> Just checking - Is there anyone using the Alpha text editor and hacked a python mode for it?? Otherwise I'll have to learn TCL enough to do it myself(groan). -Robin ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US Tue May 28 14:07:56 1996 From: guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 09:07:56 -0400 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 May 1996 08:01:10 CDT." <199605281301.IAA04785@darwin.rsoc.rockwell.com> References: <199605281301.IAA04785@darwin.rsoc.rockwell.com> Message-ID: <199605281307.JAA14531@monty> > Just checking - Is there anyone using the Alpha text editor and hacked a > python mode for it?? Otherwise I'll have to learn TCL enough to do > it myself(groan). I haven't written a Python mode for it yet, but I do use (and love!) Alpha. If you come up with something I would be able to beta test & bugfix it. --Guido ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Tue May 28 14:58:01 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 15:58:01 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor In-Reply-To: Message by Guido van Rossum , Tue, 28 May 1996 09:07:56 -0400 , <199605281307.JAA14531@monty> Message-ID: <9605281358.AA08241=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Recently, Guido van Rossum said: > > Just checking - Is there anyone using the Alpha text editor and hacked a > > python mode for it?? Otherwise I'll have to learn TCL enough to do > > it myself(groan). > > I haven't written a Python mode for it yet, but I do use (and love!) Alpha. > If you come up with something I would be able to beta test & bugfix it. Anyone here who has used both BBEdit and Alpha? I'm pretty fond of BBEdit (I *love* the startup speed), does Alpha have features that BBEdit misses? -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Ivan.Herman@cwi.nl Tue May 28 15:18:52 1996 From: Ivan.Herman@cwi.nl (Ivan Herman) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 16:18:52 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 May 1996 15:58:01 MET DST." <9605281358.AA08241=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Message-ID: <9605281418.AA07847=ivan@petunia.cwi.nl> Yes, I did use both of them. Alpha is much richer than BBEdit; you can be an Alpha hacker just as you can be an Emacs hacker! (One can have various modes, with different keysetting and all that stuff, all written in Tcl). As a consequence, yes, there are may be a lot of features BBEdit does not have (sorry, I should say BBEDit Lite, and not BBEdit; I have never used the commercial version of BBEdit). Alpha has a very rich (emacs-like) default keybinding, so certain operations can be done much faster; one can iconify windows (a real thing if you use a small Mac screen...) etc. Surprisingly, there is one thing Alpha does not have (at least not the version I used to run), namely to have a smooth control over the creator of a generated file. Something which is important for Python... However, all this has a price: Alpha is big, slow to start up, takes a lot of memory. Ideally, one uses it as using emacs on UNIX: start it when bootstrapping the machine, and leave it as a background. However, if memory is low... These were the main reasons why I switched to BBEdit: it is smaller, faster, and gives most of what you need. All this is a personal choice, however. Ivan ------------------ Your Original Message: -------------------- > > Recently, Guido van Rossum said: > > > Just checking - Is there anyone using the Alpha text editor and hacked a > > > python mode for it?? Otherwise I'll have to learn TCL enough to do > > > it myself(groan). > > > > I haven't written a Python mode for it yet, but I do use (and love!) Alpha. > > If you come up with something I would be able to beta test & bugfix it. > > Anyone here who has used both BBEdit and Alpha? I'm pretty fond of > BBEdit (I *love* the startup speed), does Alpha have features that > BBEdit misses? > -- > Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ > Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ > http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm > > ================= > PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh > > send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org > administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org > ================= ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US Tue May 28 15:16:44 1996 From: guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:16:44 -0400 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 May 1996 15:58:01 +0200." <9605281358.AA08241=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> References: <9605281358.AA08241=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Message-ID: <199605281416.KAA14686@monty> > Anyone here who has used both BBEdit and Alpha? I'm pretty fond of > BBEdit (I *love* the startup speed), does Alpha have features that > BBEdit misses? I've only seen BBEdit lite. The big boon of Alpha for me is that it understands most Emacs key bindings... It also has a nice html highlighting mode. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Tue May 28 16:35:16 1996 From: friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com (Robin Friedrich) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:35:16 -0500 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor Message-ID: <199605281535.KAA04888@darwin.rsoc.rockwell.com> |> From: Ivan Herman |> Sender: owner-pythonmac-sig@python.org |> Yes, I did use both of them. Alpha is much richer than BBEdit; you can be an |> Alpha hacker just as you can be an Emacs hacker! (One can have various modes, |> with different keysetting and all that stuff, all written in Tcl). As a ... |> However, all this has a price: Alpha is big, slow to start up, takes a lot of |> memory. Ideally, one uses it as using emacs on UNIX: start it when |> bootstrapping the machine, and leave it as a background. However, if memory is |> low... These were the main reasons why I switched to BBEdit: it is smaller, |> faster, and gives most of what you need. All this is a personal choice, |> however. I've used BBeditLite for a while now and I do like it but what I need is a python mode. I even got emacs for the Mac. It's a full implimentation of GNU 18.xx emacs and python-mode.el does work with it but it is very keyboard driven (e.g. you can't drag select anything, and I can't live without that). Alpha looks like a fine compromise. It starts up quick for me (because of the machine I run on, performance and memory consumption is not a problem:-) But Alpha is just screaming for a python mode. -Robin ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From da@maigret.cog.brown.edu Tue May 28 21:37:30 1996 From: da@maigret.cog.brown.edu (David Ascher) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 16:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] please make numeric python available when it's ready Message-ID: <199605282037.QAA05075@maigret> I don't remember who said they'd work on patching the new python w/ the numeric extension, but when they do, I'd like a copy -- and I suspect others would too. If that person doesn't have a place to put it and python.org is deemed an unsuitable place for non-release software, I could host it. Thanks in advance. --david ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Tue May 28 22:55:35 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 23:55:35 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] please make numeric python available when it's ready In-Reply-To: Message by da@maigret.cog.brown.edu (David Ascher) , Tue, 28 May 1996 16:37:30 -0400 (EDT) , <199605282037.QAA05075@maigret> Message-ID: <9605282155.AA10755=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> If whoever does this work sends the results to me I'll integrate it in the "official" macpython release, provided it isn't too big for the poor 68K release. I would do it myself, but I don't have the time... -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Tue May 28 22:55:35 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 23:55:35 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] please make numeric python available when it's ready In-Reply-To: Message by da@maigret.cog.brown.edu (David Ascher) , Tue, 28 May 1996 16:37:30 -0400 (EDT) , <199605282037.QAA05075@maigret> Message-ID: <9605282155.AA10755=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> If whoever does this work sends the results to me I'll integrate it in the "official" macpython release, provided it isn't too big for the poor 68K release. I would do it myself, but I don't have the time... -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From steve@estel.uindy.edu Wed May 29 12:29:35 1996 From: steve@estel.uindy.edu (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Wed, 29 May 96 06:29:35 -0500 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] please make numeric python available when it's ready In-Reply-To: <9605282155.AA10755=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> (message from Jack Jansen on Tue, 28 May 1996 23:55:35 +0200) Message-ID: <9605291129.AA22828@estel.uindy.edu> Hi folks... I'd be willing to do this, if you can wait a couple of days. Having said that, the numeric extension has been working on the Mac since I sent the patches in back in the 0.33 days. The easiest thing to do is to install the package on a unix machine and copy the modified source files to your Mac. I've got them all, but I'd have to go through the numeric distribution to sort out what files get changed (and my mac config.c has a lot of other stuff that you guys won't want.. that I should take out.) Of course, if someone else has the time to do this now... be my guest. :-) -steve >>>>> "Jack" == Jack Jansen writes: Jack> If whoever does this work sends the results to me I'll Jack> integrate it in the "official" macpython release, provided Jack> it isn't too big for the poor 68K release. I would do it Jack> myself, but I don't have the time... -- Jack Jansen | ++++ ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl Wed May 29 15:06:42 1996 From: Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:06:42 +0200 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python workshop Message-ID: <9605291406.AA15948=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Folks, Fred Drake asked the various SIG organizers whether their SIG wanted to present anything, organize a SIG sessions, etc. However, since I'm not going to the workshop *I* definitely won't be organizing anything. If members of the list want to get together during the workshop please contact Fred as soon as possible. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen@cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From managan@llnl.gov Wed May 29 23:56:13 1996 From: managan@llnl.gov (Rob Managan) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:56:13 -0700 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python workshop In-Reply-To: <9605291406.AA15948=jack@schelvis.cwi.nl> Message-ID: Greetings, I have been a lurker on this list for a while now. I would love to learn more about how Mac folks are using Python. I have tried out Python to limited extent. Since I am local I plan to go to the conference next week (but maybe not every session). If any other Mac users will be attending let me know and we can try to get together for an informal group meeting. It sounds like one thing that could be discussed is what features should be in a Python mode for Alpha based on recent discussions in the mailing list. Hopefully I will find time to play more with Python before the conference starts! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-**-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Rob Managan managan@llnl.gov LLNL ph: 510-423-0903 P.O. Box 808, L-178 FAX: 510-423-5804 Livermore, CA 94551-0808 ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org ================= From guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US Thu May 30 00:00:14 1996 From: guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Guido van Rossum) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:00:14 -0400 Subject: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python workshop In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 May 1996 15:56:13 PDT." References: Message-ID: <199605292300.TAA26917@monty> > Since I am local I plan to go to the conference next week (but maybe not > every session). If any other Mac users will be attending let me know and we > can try to get together for an informal group meeting. I'll be there :-) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig@python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request@python.org =================