From klove at iress.com.au  Wed Nov  6 07:16:45 2013
From: klove at iress.com.au (Kieran Love)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:16:45 +1100
Subject: [Python.NET] Python for .net and python 3.2
Message-ID: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06045F2A329@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>

I've downloaded "pythonnet-2.0-Beta0-clr4.0_140_py27_UCS2_x86.zip"
and unzipped its contents to my python32/DLLs folder.

Then when I try to use it I get the following error:-

>>> import clr
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (PyInit_clr)

Three questions:

1.       I'm assuming this release was for use with .net4 and python version 2.7, is that correct?


2.       Is there an official release of python for .net that works with python 3.2? Currently I'm using these beta builds (http://www.pyxll.com/pythonnet/) that I found from reading the mailing lists.



3.       Is there a different reason why my python code example isn't working with the official release?


Thanks for your time.
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From mihhail.maslakov at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 11:27:45 2013
From: mihhail.maslakov at gmail.com (Mihhail Maslakov)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:27:45 +0200
Subject: [Python.NET] Python .NET on Windows 8.1
Message-ID: <CAGLvTFJ2Lm5fQ2Zyv8j3Z_1rdQdsZ5ojeFYgsao3VQ=0iUxoJg@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using python.net for about 5 years for my project at work.
Usually everything worked or at least there was a way to fix it. Right now,
there is a situation, that I cannot understand.

Since my PC got upgraded from W7 to W8.1 imports stopped working. It seems
that something happens on clr module initialization stage, because when I
try clr.AddReference("...") python answers: "AttributeError: 'module'
object has no attribute 'AddReference'"

When debugging with freshly built clr.pyd/Python.Runtime.dll I see that
Runtime.Initialize() finishes without exception and clr module methods are
added via InitializeModuleMembers(). Yet still, when I run my program clr
doesn't work properly and seems like import hooks are not there
(breakpoints at AddReference and other methods are not fired).

Do you have any pointers for me in this situation?

Thank you,
Mihhail Maslakov
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From kyle.rocha at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 17:29:13 2013
From: kyle.rocha at gmail.com (Kyle Rocha)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 08:29:13 -0800
Subject: [Python.NET] Python for .net and python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06045F2A329@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>
References: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06045F2A329@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>
Message-ID: <CACObT9y464RPfK72V+_T_OQNt67u1A2GBdBa2o4wXfi0A0T=8Q@mail.gmail.com>

The source forge work seems to have gone a bit stale. I've found that
https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/ has been the most active and
stable fork.


On 5 November 2013 22:16, Kieran Love <klove at iress.com.au> wrote:

> I?ve downloaded ?pythonnet-2.0-Beta0-clr4.0_140_py27_UCS2_x86.zip?
>
> and unzipped its contents to my python32/DLLs folder.
>
>
>
> Then when I try to use it I get the following error:-
>
>
>
> *>>> import clr*
>
> *Traceback (most recent call last):*
>
> *  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>*
>
> *ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (PyInit_clr)*
>
>
>
> Three questions:
>
> 1.       I?m assuming this release was for use with .net4 and python
> version 2.7, is that correct?
>
>
>
> 2.       Is there an official release of python for .net that works with
> python 3.2? Currently I?m using these beta builds (
> http://www.pyxll.com/pythonnet/) that I found from reading the mailing
> lists.
>
>
>
> 3.       Is there a different reason why my python code example isn?t
> working with the official release?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
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From klove at iress.com.au  Sun Nov 10 23:38:33 2013
From: klove at iress.com.au (Kieran Love)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:38:33 +1100
Subject: [Python.NET] Python for .net and python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <CACObT9y464RPfK72V+_T_OQNt67u1A2GBdBa2o4wXfi0A0T=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06045F2A329@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>
 <CACObT9y464RPfK72V+_T_OQNt67u1A2GBdBa2o4wXfi0A0T=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06048D471CC@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>

Thanks. Is this fork successfully compiling against Python 3.x?
The readme seems to talk about PYTHON24 and PYTHON25 environment variables.

From: Kyle Rocha [mailto:kyle.rocha at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2013 3:29 AM
To: Kieran Love
Cc: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Python for .net and python 3.2

The source forge work seems to have gone a bit stale. I've found that https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/ has been the most active and stable fork.

On 5 November 2013 22:16, Kieran Love <klove at iress.com.au<mailto:klove at iress.com.au>> wrote:
I've downloaded "pythonnet-2.0-Beta0-clr4.0_140_py27_UCS2_x86.zip"
and unzipped its contents to my python32/DLLs folder.

Then when I try to use it I get the following error:-

>>> import clr
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (PyInit_clr)

Three questions:

1.       I'm assuming this release was for use with .net4 and python version 2.7, is that correct?


2.       Is there an official release of python for .net that works with python 3.2? Currently I'm using these beta builds (http://www.pyxll.com/pythonnet/) that I found from reading the mailing lists.



3.       Is there a different reason why my python code example isn't working with the official release?


Thanks for your time.
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From kyle.rocha at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 23:48:35 2013
From: kyle.rocha at gmail.com (Kyle Rocha)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:48:35 -0800
Subject: [Python.NET] Python for .net and python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06048D471CC@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>
References: <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06045F2A329@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>
 <CACObT9y464RPfK72V+_T_OQNt67u1A2GBdBa2o4wXfi0A0T=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <E562343C2F421F4981462E6A74F8BCA06048D471CC@melexchnode1.devel.iress.com.au>
Message-ID: <CACObT9yyaF4q3DOQ+ufB2aFRQXCBsKTYmtnzwJ5CFGtw_pMRHw@mail.gmail.com>

Ya, much of the documentation is old and needs to be cleaned up no doubt.

I've been using it with .net4 x64 and python 3.3.

You'll need to set the define for with version of python you want to define
PYTHON32.


On 10 November 2013 14:38, Kieran Love <klove at iress.com.au> wrote:

> Thanks. Is this fork successfully compiling against Python 3.x?
>
> The readme seems to talk about PYTHON24 and PYTHON25 environment variables.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kyle Rocha [mailto:kyle.rocha at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 November 2013 3:29 AM
> *To:* Kieran Love
> *Cc:* pythondotnet at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Python.NET] Python for .net and python 3.2
>
>
>
> The source forge work seems to have gone a bit stale. I've found that
> https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/ has been the most active and
> stable fork.
>
>
>
> On 5 November 2013 22:16, Kieran Love <klove at iress.com.au> wrote:
>
> I?ve downloaded ?pythonnet-2.0-Beta0-clr4.0_140_py27_UCS2_x86.zip?
>
> and unzipped its contents to my python32/DLLs folder.
>
>
>
> Then when I try to use it I get the following error:-
>
>
>
> *>>> import clr*
>
> *Traceback (most recent call last):*
>
> *  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>*
>
> *ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (PyInit_clr)*
>
>
>
> Three questions:
>
> 1.       I?m assuming this release was for use with .net4 and python
> version 2.7, is that correct?
>
>
>
> 2.       Is there an official release of python for .net that works with
> python 3.2? Currently I?m using these beta builds (
> http://www.pyxll.com/pythonnet/) that I found from reading the mailing
> lists.
>
>
>
> 3.       Is there a different reason why my python code example isn?t
> working with the official release?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
>
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From jgill at tokiomillennium.com  Tue Nov 12 14:28:37 2013
From: jgill at tokiomillennium.com (John Gill)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:28:37 +0000
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github
Message-ID: <CEA58BDE8F3913468BE4A3F1F32C370C1E51F08D@TMREXMB01.tokiomillennium.com>

As has been mentioned on the list here, Tony Roberts' version in github is currently the most actively maintained version of python dot net:

https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/

As I understand things, the original author, Brian Lloyd is still active in the project, but has less time to work on it than previously.

It would be good if work could consolidate on a single source base.    I think moving to github would help with that, certainly makes merging Tony's changes with the official release easier.

This is a really useful project, I am finding it wonderful to be able to use .NET and cpython seamlessly + it would be good not to fragment the user base by having multiple versions of the code.

John

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From btribble at ea.com  Tue Nov 12 18:42:08 2013
From: btribble at ea.com (Tribble, Brett)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:42:08 -0800
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github
In-Reply-To: <CEA58BDE8F3913468BE4A3F1F32C370C1E51F08D@TMREXMB01.tokiomillennium.com>
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I'm all for having it reside wherever it is easiest to continue development!

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org] On Behalf Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:29 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github

As has been mentioned on the list here, Tony Roberts' version in github is currently the most actively maintained version of python dot net:

https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/

As I understand things, the original author, Brian Lloyd is still active in the project, but has less time to work on it than previously.

It would be good if work could consolidate on a single source base.    I think moving to github would help with that, certainly makes merging Tony's changes with the official release easier.

This is a really useful project, I am finding it wonderful to be able to use .NET and cpython seamlessly + it would be good not to fragment the user base by having multiple versions of the code.

John
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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 23 20:16:24 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:16:24 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS256C2144D1B2D0AFDBDC455AFE30@phx.gbl>

+1 on that!

I would love to see the official code base move to git and ideally
github.com. The current situation, with an official very inactive repository
and forks that are more current is really not good for the project. I also
simply think that if the project was on github it would be easier to find
people to contribute.

I guess the main question is whether the three maintainers of the official
project think this is a good idea, and if yes, then to do the migration. I'd
be happy to help with the latter.

Best,
David 

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at
python.org] On Behalf Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:29 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github

As has been mentioned on the list here, Tony Roberts' version in github is
currently the most actively maintained version of python dot net:

https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/

As I understand things, the original author, Brian Lloyd is still active in
the project, but has less time to work on it than previously.

It would be good if work could consolidate on a single source base.    I
think moving to github would help with that, certainly makes merging Tony's
changes with the official release easier.

This is a really useful project, I am finding it wonderful to be able to use
.NET and cpython seamlessly + it would be good not to fragment the user base
by having multiple versions of the code.

John
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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 23 20:24:48 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:24:48 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Python .NET on Windows 8.1
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS9726609FA7D76AAC7449C5AFE30@phx.gbl>

I had the same problem and the following fix in the file
runtime/assemblymanager.cs made things work for me. I believe the problem is
that on Win 8.1 there seem to be generic types that aren't in a namespace.
My patch just skips those and thus prevents a crash. I am not sure whether
that is the right way to handle it, but it does fix the crash.

Best,
David

diff --git a/pythonnet/src/runtime/assemblymanager.cs
b/pythonnet/src/runtime/assemblymanager.cs
index 80c838d..2d369b5 100644
--- a/pythonnet/src/runtime/assemblymanager.cs
+++ b/pythonnet/src/runtime/assemblymanager.cs
@@ -283,7 +283,7 @@ internal class AssemblyManager {
                     namespaces[ns].Add(assembly, String.Empty);
                 }

-                if (t.IsGenericTypeDefinition) {
+                if (ns !=null && t.IsGenericTypeDefinition) {
                     GenericUtil.Register(t);
                 }
             }

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at
python.org] On Behalf Of Mihhail Maslakov
Sent: Wed Nov 6 11:27:45 CET 2013
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: [Python.NET] Python .NET on Windows 8.1

I have been using python.net for about 5 years for my project at work.
Usually everything worked or at least there was a way to fix it. Right now,
there is a situation, that I cannot understand.

Since my PC got upgraded from W7 to W8.1 imports stopped working. It seems
that something happens on clr module initialization stage, because when I
try clr.AddReference("...") python answers: "AttributeError: 'module'
object has no attribute 'AddReference'"

When debugging with freshly built clr.pyd/Python.Runtime.dll I see that
Runtime.Initialize() finishes without exception and clr module methods are
added via InitializeModuleMembers(). Yet still, when I run my program clr
doesn't work properly and seems like import hooks are not there
(breakpoints at AddReference and other methods are not fired).

Do you have any pointers for me in this situation?

Thank you,
Mihhail Maslakov


From dirk.krause at pixelpark.com  Tue Nov 26 10:48:38 2013
From: dirk.krause at pixelpark.com (Dirk Krause)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:48:38 +0000
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS256C2144D1B2D0AFDBDC455AFE30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU403-EAS256C2144D1B2D0AFDBDC455AFE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0926D33929389548BBE8826CA4FAC8A44AC59DCC@Hydra.bitlab.de>

+1, too.

Cheers,
  Dirk
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From: PythonDotNet [pythondotnet-bounces+dirk.krause=pixelpark.com at python.org] on behalf of davidacoder [davidacoder at hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:16 PM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github

+1 on that!

I would love to see the official code base move to git and ideally
github.com. The current situation, with an official very inactive repository
and forks that are more current is really not good for the project. I also
simply think that if the project was on github it would be easier to find
people to contribute.

I guess the main question is whether the three maintainers of the official
project think this is a good idea, and if yes, then to do the migration. I'd
be happy to help with the latter.

Best,
David

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at
python.org] On Behalf Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:29 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: [Python.NET] Moving the project to github

As has been mentioned on the list here, Tony Roberts' version in github is
currently the most actively maintained version of python dot net:

https://github.com/renshawbay/pythonnet/

As I understand things, the original author, Brian Lloyd is still active in
the project, but has less time to work on it than previously.

It would be good if work could consolidate on a single source base.    I
think moving to github would help with that, certainly makes merging Tony's
changes with the official release easier.

This is a really useful project, I am finding it wonderful to be able to use
.NET and cpython seamlessly + it would be good not to fragment the user base
by having multiple versions of the code.

John
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From jgill at tokiomillennium.com  Tue Nov 26 13:46:32 2013
From: jgill at tokiomillennium.com (John Gill)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:32 +0000
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
Message-ID: <CEA58BDE8F3913468BE4A3F1F32C370C1E522FED@TMREXMB01.tokiomillennium.com>

Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.

He would be happy to:


1.       Put a link on our "Related projects" page

2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post

3.       Add a dedicated doc page

4.       Etc.

Subject to:


1.       The project is actively maintained

2.       Up to date docs

3.       It "works"

a.       Reliable & robust

b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn't crash, ...)

It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the current install process "copy these dll's" is simple and effective, but a direct install from PTVS would be good.

I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from PTVS.

John

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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 26 15:37:08 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:37:08 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
In-Reply-To: <CEA58BDE8F3913468BE4A3F1F32C370C1E522FED@TMREXMB01.tokiomillennium.com>
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Great idea!

 

Best,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:47 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of
PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.

 

He would be happy to:

 

1.       Put a link on our "Related projects" page

2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post

3.       Add a dedicated doc page

4.       Etc.

 

Subject to:

 

1.       The project is actively maintained

2.       Up to date docs

3.       It "works"

a.       Reliable & robust

b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn't crash, .)

 

It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the
current install process "copy these dll's" is simple and effective, but a
direct install from PTVS would be good.

 

I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split
between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from
PTVS.

 

John

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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 26 15:50:04 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:50:04 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] pip and wheel
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS39482E6AB32C2983DD8AD6EAFEC0@phx.gbl>

Hi,

 

I think one major barrier for easier adoption of pythondotnet right now is
setup, i.e. how you get to a point where you can just use it.

 

I think there are a couple of issues:

 

- the download page on sourceforge is confusing. There are five folders on
the first page that don't seem to follow some common naming scheme. Three
have a pythonnet version in it, one doesn't have any version in the name and
the last one refers to a CLR version. If I land there I just don't know what
to do next.

- There doesn't seem to be a win x64 download, which I would assume to be
the major version in use right now.

- In general the builds seem to be old

- There don't seem to be mono builds (although, should there be?)

 

At the same time I feel that with the new package stuff happening in the
general python world the idea of having a binary zip file download is
getting old in any case.

 

One potentially elegant way around this is to provide binary wheels for
pythondotnet that are hosted on pypi.python.org for windows. I don't know
how the mono stuff would work and multi-platform things, though. In any
case, I think it should be feasible at that point to simply use pip to
install pythondotnet:

 

pip install pythondotnet

 

and that would do the trick. And now that pip is bundled in the default
python distribution, I feel that would essentially solve the distribution
problem completely, right? I think such a pip install should just make the
clr module available for import. I am less sure whether such a wheel install
should also put npython.exe somewhere onto the path (scripts folder?).

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks,

David

 

 

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From btribble at ea.com  Tue Nov 26 23:35:53 2013
From: btribble at ea.com (Tribble, Brett)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:35:53 +0000
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS111094DB4A0A313AB70D01AAFEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <CEA58BDE8F3913468BE4A3F1F32C370C1E522FED@TMREXMB01.tokiomillennium.com>
 <BLU403-EAS111094DB4A0A313AB70D01AAFEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f24977267ed74f4889071a39e9af33ad@CO1PR07MB379.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

So, who is willing to be the primary maintainer of the github repository? I think we should wait for a little while to see if Brian or Barton respond. I see that tiran has a github account as well: https://github.com/tiran

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org] On Behalf Of davidacoder
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:37 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

Great idea!

Best,
David

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:47 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org<mailto:pythondotnet at python.org>
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.

He would be happy to:


1.       Put a link on our "Related projects" page

2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post

3.       Add a dedicated doc page

4.       Etc.

Subject to:


1.       The project is actively maintained

2.       Up to date docs

3.       It "works"

a.       Reliable & robust

b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn't crash, ...)

It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the current install process "copy these dll's" is simple and effective, but a direct install from PTVS would be good.

I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from PTVS.

John
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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 04:21:13 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:21:13 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
In-Reply-To: <f24977267ed74f4889071a39e9af33ad@CO1PR07MB379.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CEA58BDE8F3913468BE4A3F1F32C370C1E522FED@TMREXMB01.tokiomillennium.com>
 <BLU403-EAS111094DB4A0A313AB70D01AAFEC0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS220290F7AA54A4B9F38A18AFEF0@phx.gbl>

I guess my preferred option would be to create a github organization and
host the repo there. So something like github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet. In
that case the organization can have multiple owners, so the whole thing is
also less dependent on one person.

 

If, on the other hand, one of the original maintainers wanted to host it
under their account, I would also understand that, i.e. if this is really
someone's baby.

 

Finally, I guess the official short name is "pythonnet", right? Or
"pythondotnet", like the mailing list alias?

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: Tribble, Brett [mailto:btribble at ea.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36 PM
To: davidacoder; pythondotnet at python.org; brian.lloyd at revolution.com
Subject: RE: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

So, who is willing to be the primary maintainer of the github repository? I
think we should wait for a little while to see if Brian or Barton respond. I
see that tiran has a github account as well: https://github.com/tiran

 

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org]
On Behalf Of davidacoder
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:37 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Great idea!

 

Best,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:47 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of
PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.

 

He would be happy to:

 

1.       Put a link on our "Related projects" page

2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post

3.       Add a dedicated doc page

4.       Etc.

 

Subject to:

 

1.       The project is actively maintained

2.       Up to date docs

3.       It "works"

a.       Reliable & robust

b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn't crash, .)

 

It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the
current install process "copy these dll's" is simple and effective, but a
direct install from PTVS would be good.

 

I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split
between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from
PTVS.

 

John

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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 04:15:04 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>

Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up such
that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org
<mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> , and not the email of the person one is
replying to?

 

I've gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails
that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me,
presumably because people just hit "reply". I guess that many more answers
to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)

 

Cheers,

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From brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 04:39:01 2013
From: brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
In-Reply-To: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEtbAyOM071ksLXYjUUyKqDMfwJ7SMyNp4sSTSkV9KCqdg0wOA@mail.gmail.com>

Right now we are using MailMan - traffic is light enough that I am able to
filter out obvious spam. If you guys have bandwidth I am happy to delegate
to others and other solutions...


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:15 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up
> such that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org, and
> not the email of the person one is replying to?
>
>
>
> I?ve gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails
> that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me,
> presumably because people just hit ?reply?. I guess that many more answers
> to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> _________________________________________________
> Python.NET mailing list - PythonDotNet at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythondotnet
>



-- 
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From tony at pyxll.com  Wed Nov 27 12:03:59 2013
From: tony at pyxll.com (Tony Roberts)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:03:59 +0000
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
In-Reply-To: <BLU404-EAS220290F7AA54A4B9F38A18AFEF0@phx.gbl>
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Hi David,

that would seem to fit with the way most other projects work, and should
make it easier for anyone looking for the project on github to find it.

I'm happy to help out with the migration and maintenance if it is decided
to go ahead with this. The fork I created doesn't have the history from
svn, so I think it would be better to start again with the sourceforge
project and pull it into git with all the history and then merge in the
various changes already in github.

cheers,
Tony



On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:21 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I guess my preferred option would be to create a github organization and
> host the repo there. So something like github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet. In
> that case the organization can have multiple owners, so the whole thing is
> also less dependent on one person.
>
>
>
> If, on the other hand, one of the original maintainers wanted to host it
> under their account, I would also understand that, i.e. if this is really
> someone?s baby.
>
>
>
> Finally, I guess the official short name is ?pythonnet?, right? Or
> ?pythondotnet?, like the mailing list alias?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* Tribble, Brett [mailto:btribble at ea.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36 PM
> *To:* davidacoder; pythondotnet at python.org; brian.lloyd at revolution.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
>
>
>
> So, who is willing to be the primary maintainer of the github repository?
> I think we should wait for a little while to see if Brian or Barton
> respond. I see that tiran has a github account as well:
> https://github.com/tiran
>
>
>
> *From:* PythonDotNet [
> mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org<pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *davidacoder
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:37 AM
> *To:* pythondotnet at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
>
>
>
> Great idea!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* PythonDotNet [
> mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org<pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *John Gill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:47 AM
> *To:* pythondotnet at python.org
> *Subject:* [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET
>
>
>
> Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of
> PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.
>
>
>
> He would be happy to:
>
>
>
> 1.       Put a link on our ?Related projects? page
>
> 2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post
>
> 3.       Add a dedicated doc page
>
> 4.       Etc.
>
>
>
> Subject to:
>
>
>
> 1.       The project is actively maintained
>
> 2.       Up to date docs
>
> 3.       It ?works?
>
> a.       Reliable & robust
>
> b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn?t crash, ?)
>
>
>
> It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the
> current install process ?copy these dll?s? is simple and effective, but a
> direct install from PTVS would be good.
>
>
>
> I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split
> between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from
> PTVS.
>
>
>
> John
>
> This communication and any attachments contain information which is
> confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive
> use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s)
> please note that any form of disclosure, distribution, copying, printing or
> use of this communication or the information in it or in any attachments is
> strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this
> communication in error, please return it with the title "received in error"
> to postmaster at tokiomillennium.com and then permanently delete the email
> and any attachments from your system.
>
>
>
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> information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. It is the recipient's
> responsibility to ensure that e-mail transmissions and any attachments are
> virus free. We do not accept liability for any damages or other
> consequences caused by information that is intercepted, corrupted, amended,
> lost, destroyed, arrives late or incomplete or contains viruses.
>
> ******************************************
>
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From kyle.rocha at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 10:38:45 2013
From: kyle.rocha at gmail.com (Kyle Rocha)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 01:38:45 -0800
Subject: [Python.NET] pip and wheel
In-Reply-To: <BLU404-EAS39482E6AB32C2983DD8AD6EAFEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU404-EAS39482E6AB32C2983DD8AD6EAFEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CACObT9zhgiU-+LpURT4MQJqY+nLAa3hOsY__PWbM41jRspDEUw@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to continue to see proper mono support available.

That does lead me to some questions about that unmanaged exports package.
1. Does that stuff work correctly when you're using something like
monodevelop?

2. Why was the change made to use that over the manually written clr
bindings? Was it only to simplify the binding process?

/ Kyle
On Nov 26, 2013 9:18 AM, "davidacoder" <davidacoder at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I think one major barrier for easier adoption of pythondotnet right now is
> setup, i.e. how you get to a point where you can just use it.
>
>
>
> I think there are a couple of issues:
>
>
>
> - the download page on sourceforge is confusing. There are five folders on
> the first page that don?t seem to follow some common naming scheme. Three
> have a pythonnet version in it, one doesn?t have any version in the name
> and the last one refers to a CLR version. If I land there I just don?t know
> what to do next.
>
> - There doesn?t seem to be a win x64 download, which I would assume to be
> the major version in use right now.
>
> - In general the builds seem to be old
>
> - There don?t seem to be mono builds (although, should there be?)
>
>
>
> At the same time I feel that with the new package stuff happening in the
> general python world the idea of having a binary zip file download is
> getting old in any case.
>
>
>
> One potentially elegant way around this is to provide binary wheels for
> pythondotnet that are hosted on pypi.python.org for windows. I don?t know
> how the mono stuff would work and multi-platform things, though? In any
> case, I think it should be feasible at that point to simply use pip to
> install pythondotnet:
>
>
>
> pip install pythondotnet
>
>
>
> and that would do the trick. And now that pip is bundled in the default
> python distribution, I feel that would essentially solve the distribution
> problem completely, right? I think such a pip install should just make the
> clr module available for import. I am less sure whether such a wheel
> install should also put npython.exe somewhere onto the path (scripts
> folder?).
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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 15:06:32 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:06:32 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] github migration
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS21545B84C90E9BD2B47B9A8AFEF0@phx.gbl>

Alright, I started this now. I created the github organization and the repo.
I will also have a stab at migrating the svn history.

 

I've marked the github repo as experimental for now so that it is clear that
at this point it is not the official source (yet).

 

I'll keep the list updated as I make progress.

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Tony Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:04 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Hi David,

 

that would seem to fit with the way most other projects work, and should
make it easier for anyone looking for the project on github to find it.

 

I'm happy to help out with the migration and maintenance if it is decided to
go ahead with this. The fork I created doesn't have the history from svn, so
I think it would be better to start again with the sourceforge project and
pull it into git with all the history and then merge in the various changes
already in github.

 

cheers,

Tony

 

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:21 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

I guess my preferred option would be to create a github organization and
host the repo there. So something like github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet
<http://github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet> . In that case the organization can
have multiple owners, so the whole thing is also less dependent on one
person.

 

If, on the other hand, one of the original maintainers wanted to host it
under their account, I would also understand that, i.e. if this is really
someone's baby.

 

Finally, I guess the official short name is "pythonnet", right? Or
"pythondotnet", like the mailing list alias?

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: Tribble, Brett [mailto:btribble at ea.com <mailto:btribble at ea.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36 PM
To: davidacoder; pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> ;
brian.lloyd at revolution.com <mailto:brian.lloyd at revolution.com> 
Subject: RE: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

So, who is willing to be the primary maintainer of the github repository? I
think we should wait for a little while to see if Brian or Barton respond. I
see that tiran has a github account as well: https://github.com/tiran

 

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org]
On Behalf Of davidacoder
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:37 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Great idea!

 

Best,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:47 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of
PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.

 

He would be happy to:

 

1.       Put a link on our "Related projects" page

2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post

3.       Add a dedicated doc page

4.       Etc.

 

Subject to:

 

1.       The project is actively maintained

2.       Up to date docs

3.       It "works"

a.       Reliable & robust

b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn't crash, .)

 

It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the
current install process "copy these dll's" is simple and effective, but a
direct install from PTVS would be good.

 

I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split
between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from
PTVS.

 

John

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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 16:38:33 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:38:33 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
In-Reply-To: <CAEtbAyOM071ksLXYjUUyKqDMfwJ7SMyNp4sSTSkV9KCqdg0wOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>
 <CAEtbAyOM071ksLXYjUUyKqDMfwJ7SMyNp4sSTSkV9KCqdg0wOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS43002EF58690C37B0AEAE39AFEF0@phx.gbl>

Well, I guess we shouldn't change too many things at once, so ideally we
would just stick with the current setup but maybe change that one setting,
so that the default reply-to address is the list? I'm not familiar with
MailMan, so afraid I don't know how to do that.

 

Also, are you approving individual messages right now? Is there may be a way
to whitelist certain senders, so that those emails go to the list right
away? Seems like a lot of work for you, otherwise.

 

Cheers,

David

 

 

From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:39 PM
To: davidacoder
Cc: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config

 

Right now we are using MailMan - traffic is light enough that I am able to
filter out obvious spam. If you guys have bandwidth I am happy to delegate
to others and other solutions...

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:15 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up such
that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org
<mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> , and not the email of the person one is
replying to?

 

I've gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails
that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me,
presumably because people just hit "reply". I guess that many more answers
to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)

 

Cheers,

David


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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 20:13:12 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] github migration
In-Reply-To: <BLU404-EAS21545B84C90E9BD2B47B9A8AFEF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU404-EAS21545B84C90E9BD2B47B9A8AFEF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS168649F61348EAAC671FB21AFEF0@phx.gbl>

I'm trying to create an as pretty history conversion as possible. Ideally I
want to convert the user names in the svn history to the standard git format
of "Firstname Lastname <email>". To that extend I've contacted all the
people that have ever committed to the svn repo to ask for their permission
to include their email address in the new git history. My current plan is to
wait a couple of days to see who responds. If I don't get a respond, I
intend to just use the "svnusername <unknown>" for those people.

 

I also created another repo that can host the homepage for the project, so
that http://pythonnet.github.io works.

 

So, nothing will happen for a couple of days until I hear back from previous
contributors, and then I'll update you all again.

 

Best,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of davidacoder
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:07 AM
To: 'Tony Roberts'; pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: [Python.NET] github migration

 

Alright, I started this now. I created the github organization and the repo.
I will also have a stab at migrating the svn history.

 

I've marked the github repo as experimental for now so that it is clear that
at this point it is not the official source (yet).

 

I'll keep the list updated as I make progress.

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Tony Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:04 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Hi David,

 

that would seem to fit with the way most other projects work, and should
make it easier for anyone looking for the project on github to find it.

 

I'm happy to help out with the migration and maintenance if it is decided to
go ahead with this. The fork I created doesn't have the history from svn, so
I think it would be better to start again with the sourceforge project and
pull it into git with all the history and then merge in the various changes
already in github.

 

cheers,

Tony

 

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:21 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

I guess my preferred option would be to create a github organization and
host the repo there. So something like github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet
<http://github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet> . In that case the organization can
have multiple owners, so the whole thing is also less dependent on one
person.

 

If, on the other hand, one of the original maintainers wanted to host it
under their account, I would also understand that, i.e. if this is really
someone's baby.

 

Finally, I guess the official short name is "pythonnet", right? Or
"pythondotnet", like the mailing list alias?

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: Tribble, Brett [mailto:btribble at ea.com <mailto:btribble at ea.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36 PM
To: davidacoder; pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> ;
brian.lloyd at revolution.com <mailto:brian.lloyd at revolution.com> 
Subject: RE: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

So, who is willing to be the primary maintainer of the github repository? I
think we should wait for a little while to see if Brian or Barton respond. I
see that tiran has a github account as well: https://github.com/tiran

 

From: PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+btribble=ea.com at python.org]
On Behalf Of davidacoder
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:37 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Great idea!

 

Best,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of John Gill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:47 AM
To: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: [Python.NET] PTVS and python.NET

 

Related to a move to github, I have been in touch with the maintainer of
PTVS asking if they are aware of this project.  It seems such a natural fit.

 

He would be happy to:

 

1.       Put a link on our "Related projects" page

2.       Identify some interesting scenarios and do a blog post

3.       Add a dedicated doc page

4.       Etc.

 

Subject to:

 

1.       The project is actively maintained

2.       Up to date docs

3.       It "works"

a.       Reliable & robust

b.      Works with PTVS (eg PTVS doesn't crash, .)

 

It would be great if PTVS was able to install python .NET for people (the
current install process "copy these dll's" is simple and effective, but a
direct install from PTVS would be good.

 

I think we would need to resolve the current situation with the code split
between github and sourceforge before we could get the endorsement from
PTVS.

 

John

This communication and any attachments contain information which is
confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use
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From brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 20:20:16 2013
From: brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
In-Reply-To: <BLU404-EAS43002EF58690C37B0AEAE39AFEF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>
 <CAEtbAyOM071ksLXYjUUyKqDMfwJ7SMyNp4sSTSkV9KCqdg0wOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BLU404-EAS43002EF58690C37B0AEAE39AFEF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEtbAyOL4-f0MHqQkcF5pm97p-_-BXj-uKP7uOc3Rr--qzsxSw@mail.gmail.com>

I only have to approve messages from folks who are not subscribed to the
list. I'm not a mailman guru either, but I changed the default reply-to to
be the list instead of the sender.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Well, I guess we shouldn?t change too many things at once, so ideally we
> would just stick with the current setup but maybe change that one setting,
> so that the default reply-to address is the list? I?m not familiar with
> MailMan, so afraid I don?t know how to do that.
>
>
>
> Also, are you approving individual messages right now? Is there may be a
> way to whitelist certain senders, so that those emails go to the list right
> away? Seems like a lot of work for you, otherwise.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:39 PM
> *To:* davidacoder
> *Cc:* pythondotnet at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
>
>
>
> Right now we are using MailMan - traffic is light enough that I am able to
> filter out obvious spam. If you guys have bandwidth I am happy to delegate
> to others and other solutions...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:15 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up
> such that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org, and
> not the email of the person one is replying to?
>
>
>
> I?ve gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails
> that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me,
> presumably because people just hit ?reply?. I guess that many more answers
> to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
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From dirk.krause at pixelpark.com  Wed Nov 27 20:21:33 2013
From: dirk.krause at pixelpark.com (Dirk Krause)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:21:33 +0000
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
In-Reply-To: <CAEtbAyOL4-f0MHqQkcF5pm97p-_-BXj-uKP7uOc3Rr--qzsxSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>
 <CAEtbAyOM071ksLXYjUUyKqDMfwJ7SMyNp4sSTSkV9KCqdg0wOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BLU404-EAS43002EF58690C37B0AEAE39AFEF0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAEtbAyOL4-f0MHqQkcF5pm97p-_-BXj-uKP7uOc3Rr--qzsxSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0926D33929389548BBE8826CA4FAC8A44AC6B3AC@Hydra.bitlab.de>

seems to be working.

-- Dirk
________________________________
From: PythonDotNet [pythondotnet-bounces+dirk.krause=pixelpark.com at python.org] on behalf of Brian Lloyd [brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:20 PM
To: davidacoder
Cc: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config

I only have to approve messages from folks who are not subscribed to the list. I'm not a mailman guru either, but I changed the default reply-to to be the list instead of the sender.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Well, I guess we shouldn?t change too many things at once, so ideally we would just stick with the current setup but maybe change that one setting, so that the default reply-to address is the list? I?m not familiar with MailMan, so afraid I don?t know how to do that.

Also, are you approving individual messages right now? Is there may be a way to whitelist certain senders, so that those emails go to the list right away? Seems like a lot of work for you, otherwise.

Cheers,
David


From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com<mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:39 PM
To: davidacoder
Cc: pythondotnet at python.org<mailto:pythondotnet at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config

Right now we are using MailMan - traffic is light enough that I am able to filter out obvious spam. If you guys have bandwidth I am happy to delegate to others and other solutions...

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:15 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up such that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org<mailto:pythondotnet at python.org>, and not the email of the person one is replying to?

I?ve gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me, presumably because people just hit ?reply?. I guess that many more answers to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)

Cheers,
David

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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 20:22:59 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
In-Reply-To: <0926D33929389548BBE8826CA4FAC8A44AC6B3AC@Hydra.bitlab.de>
References: <BLU404-EAS757EF911E569EC4C2905B6AFEF0@phx.gbl>
 <CAEtbAyOM071ksLXYjUUyKqDMfwJ7SMyNp4sSTSkV9KCqdg0wOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BLU404-EAS43002EF58690C37B0AEAE39AFEF0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAEtbAyOL4-f0MHqQkcF5pm97p-_-BXj-uKP7uOc3Rr--qzsxSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <0926D33929389548BBE8826CA4FAC8A44AC6B3AC@Hydra.bitlab.de>
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS2291923EC0366D17B9194F1AFEF0@phx.gbl>

Perfect, thanks! Best, David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Dirk Krause
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:22 PM
To: A list for users and developers of Python for .NET
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config

 

seems to be working. 

 

-- Dirk

  _____  

From: PythonDotNet
[pythondotnet-bounces+dirk.krause=pixelpark.com at python.org] on behalf of
Brian Lloyd [brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:20 PM
To: davidacoder
Cc: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config

I only have to approve messages from folks who are not subscribed to the
list. I'm not a mailman guru either, but I changed the default reply-to to
be the list instead of the sender. 

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Well, I guess we shouldn't change too many things at once, so ideally we
would just stick with the current setup but maybe change that one setting,
so that the default reply-to address is the list? I'm not familiar with
MailMan, so afraid I don't know how to do that.

 

Also, are you approving individual messages right now? Is there may be a way
to whitelist certain senders, so that those emails go to the list right
away? Seems like a lot of work for you, otherwise.

 

Cheers,

David

 

 

From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com
<mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:39 PM
To: davidacoder
Cc: pythondotnet at python.org <mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> 
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config

 

Right now we are using MailMan - traffic is light enough that I am able to
filter out obvious spam. If you guys have bandwidth I am happy to delegate
to others and other solutions...

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:15 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up such
that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org
<mailto:pythondotnet at python.org> , and not the email of the person one is
replying to?

 

I've gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails
that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me,
presumably because people just hit "reply". I guess that many more answers
to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)

 

Cheers,

David


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From kyle.rocha at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 20:54:15 2013
From: kyle.rocha at gmail.com (Kyle Rocha)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:54:15 -0800
Subject: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
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That's great, thank you.


On 27 November 2013 11:22, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Perfect, thanks! Best, David
>
>
>
> *From:* PythonDotNet [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=
> hotmail.com at python.org] *On Behalf Of *Dirk Krause
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:22 PM
> *To:* A list for users and developers of Python for .NET
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> *Subject:* Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
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>
>
> seems to be working.
>
>
>
> -- Dirk
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> *From:* PythonDotNet [pythondotnet-bounces+dirk.krause=
> pixelpark.com at python.org] on behalf of Brian Lloyd [
> brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:20 PM
> *To:* davidacoder
> *Cc:* pythondotnet at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
>
> I only have to approve messages from folks who are not subscribed to the
> list. I'm not a mailman guru either, but I changed the default reply-to to
> be the list instead of the sender.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well, I guess we shouldn?t change too many things at once, so ideally we
> would just stick with the current setup but maybe change that one setting,
> so that the default reply-to address is the list? I?m not familiar with
> MailMan, so afraid I don?t know how to do that.
>
>
>
> Also, are you approving individual messages right now? Is there may be a
> way to whitelist certain senders, so that those emails go to the list right
> away? Seems like a lot of work for you, otherwise.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian.d.lloyd at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:39 PM
> *To:* davidacoder
> *Cc:* pythondotnet at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Python.NET] Mailinglist config
>
>
>
> Right now we are using MailMan - traffic is light enough that I am able to
> filter out obvious spam. If you guys have bandwidth I am happy to delegate
> to others and other solutions...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:15 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Who controls the mailing list settings? Is there a way to set things up
> such that the default reply-to address is pythondotnet at python.org, and
> not the email of the person one is replying to?
>
>
>
> I?ve gotten three responses to emails in the last three days to my emails
> that were clearly meant to reach everyone but were only sent to me,
> presumably because people just hit ?reply?. I guess that many more answers
> to emails on this list never actually reach the list due to this setting :)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
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From barton at bcdesignswell.com  Thu Nov 28 17:33:21 2013
From: barton at bcdesignswell.com (Barton)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:33:21 -0800
Subject: [Python.NET] pip and wheel
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From brad at fie.us  Thu Nov 28 18:01:12 2013
From: brad at fie.us (Bradley Friedman)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:01:12 -0400
Subject: [Python.NET] pip and wheel
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And have worked for me with mono on OSX both under mono-develop and also via make.  Both with precompiled 32-bit mono and also custom compiled 64-bit mono.  With some hammering.  If we made an effort to get it set right for pypi, I'd think it would be worth getting that build support settled once and for all as well.

-brad

On Nov 28, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Barton <barton at bcdesignswell.com> wrote:

> On point #1:
> Yes, both package management and the unmanaged exports package work correctly on linux under MD.
> 
> On 11/27/2013 1:38 AM, Kyle Rocha wrote:
>> I would like to continue to see proper mono support available.
>> 
>> That does lead me to some questions about that unmanaged exports package.
>> 1. Does that stuff work correctly when you're using something like monodevelop?
>> 
>> 2. Why was the change made to use that over the manually written clr bindings? Was it only to simplify the binding process?
>> 
>> / Kyle
>> 
>> On Nov 26, 2013 9:18 AM, "davidacoder" <davidacoder at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> I think one major barrier for easier adoption of pythondotnet right now is setup, i.e. how you get to a point where you can just use it.
>> 
>>  
>> I think there are a couple of issues:
>> 
>>  
>> - the download page on sourceforge is confusing. There are five folders on the first page that don?t seem to follow some common naming scheme. Three have a pythonnet version in it, one doesn?t have any version in the name and the last one refers to a CLR version. If I land there I just don?t know what to do next.
>> 
>> - There doesn?t seem to be a win x64 download, which I would assume to be the major version in use right now.
>> 
>> - In general the builds seem to be old
>> 
>> - There don?t seem to be mono builds (although, should there be?)
>> 
>>  
>> At the same time I feel that with the new package stuff happening in the general python world the idea of having a binary zip file download is getting old in any case.
>> 
>>  
>> One potentially elegant way around this is to provide binary wheels for pythondotnet that are hosted on pypi.python.org for windows. I don?t know how the mono stuff would work and multi-platform things, though? In any case, I think it should be feasible at that point to simply use pip to install pythondotnet:
>> 
>>  
>> pip install pythondotnet
>> 
>>  
>> and that would do the trick. And now that pip is bundled in the default python distribution, I feel that would essentially solve the distribution problem completely, right? I think such a pip install should just make the clr module available for import. I am less sure whether such a wheel install should also put npython.exe somewhere onto the path (scripts folder?).
>> 
>>  
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
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From xingfukun at 126.com  Thu Nov 28 18:37:47 2013
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unsubscribe

From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 28 19:17:14 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] pip and wheel
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That is great news.

 

I originally suggested that a binary wheel upload to pypi might be good, but
thinking about that I'm actually not so sure anymore that that is needed.
Maybe just a source release with a working setup.py would do? After all, on
windows msbuild and the c# compiler are installed by default on pretty much
any machine in any case, compile times shouldn't be much of a problem, and
so if my understanding of pip is correct, we could have full pip support
with a source release on pypi.

 

I actually also saw that Tony's fork had a setupwin.py already, so I guess
it would be a matter of integrating that stuff into the default setup.py,
making sure that it works on windows/linux/osx and clr/mono, and that should
get us pretty close to getting "pip install pythonnet" work, right?

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
[mailto:pythondotnet-bounces+davidacoder=hotmail.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Bradley Friedman
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:01 PM
To: pythondotnet at python.org
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] pip and wheel

 

And have worked for me with mono on OSX both under mono-develop and also via
make.  Both with precompiled 32-bit mono and also custom compiled 64-bit
mono.  With some hammering.  If we made an effort to get it set right for
pypi, I'd think it would be worth getting that build support settled once
and for all as well.

 

-brad

 

On Nov 28, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Barton <barton at bcdesignswell.com
<mailto:barton at bcdesignswell.com> > wrote:





On point #1:
Yes, both package management and the unmanaged exports package work
correctly on linux under MD.

On 11/27/2013 1:38 AM, Kyle Rocha wrote:

I would like to continue to see proper mono support available.

That does lead me to some questions about that unmanaged exports package.
1. Does that stuff work correctly when you're using something like
monodevelop?

2. Why was the change made to use that over the manually written clr
bindings? Was it only to simplify the binding process?

/ Kyle 

On Nov 26, 2013 9:18 AM, "davidacoder" <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I think one major barrier for easier adoption of pythondotnet right now is
setup, i.e. how you get to a point where you can just use it.

 

I think there are a couple of issues:

 

- the download page on sourceforge is confusing. There are five folders on
the first page that don't seem to follow some common naming scheme. Three
have a pythonnet version in it, one doesn't have any version in the name and
the last one refers to a CLR version. If I land there I just don't know what
to do next.

- There doesn't seem to be a win x64 download, which I would assume to be
the major version in use right now.

- In general the builds seem to be old

- There don't seem to be mono builds (although, should there be?)

 

At the same time I feel that with the new package stuff happening in the
general python world the idea of having a binary zip file download is
getting old in any case.

 

One potentially elegant way around this is to provide binary wheels for
pythondotnet that are hosted on pypi.python.org <http://pypi.python.org/>
for windows. I don't know how the mono stuff would work and multi-platform
things, though. In any case, I think it should be feasible at that point to
simply use pip to install pythondotnet:

 

pip install pythondotnet

 

and that would do the trick. And now that pip is bundled in the default
python distribution, I feel that would essentially solve the distribution
problem completely, right? I think such a pip install should just make the
clr module available for import. I am less sure whether such a wheel install
should also put npython.exe somewhere onto the path (scripts folder?).

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks,

David

 

 


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From code.zane at gmail.com  Fri Nov 29 19:28:37 2013
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com>wrote:

> After all, on windows msbuild and the c# compiler are installed by default
> on pretty much any machine in any case, compile times shouldn?t be much of
> a problem, and so if my understanding of pip is correct, we could have full
> pip support with a source release on pypi.
>
>
The .NET Client Profile is installed by default, but not the full framework
nor the developer tools.  In fact, most of the python developers I know do
not have the .NET development tools installed.  Being forced to install
them would be a barrier to entry for them.  The users of their apps
definitely don't have the compiler installed, nor should they have to.
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From davidacoder at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 29 21:34:36 2013
From: davidacoder at hotmail.com (davidacoder)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:34:36 -0500
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You are right, I had forgotten about that. I think the Client Profile is
discontinued starting with .Net 4.5, but given that Python.NET should work
with older versions as well, that doesn't really help.

 

Well, I guess that does mean that wheels would be nice. Either way, the
first step will be to create a working setup.py for both windows/linux/mac.

 

Cheers,

David

 

From: PythonDotNet
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Of Zane D. Purvis
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 1:29 PM
To: A list for users and developers of Python for .NET
Subject: Re: [Python.NET] pip and wheel

 

 

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM, davidacoder <davidacoder at hotmail.com
<mailto:davidacoder at hotmail.com> > wrote:

After all, on windows msbuild and the c# compiler are installed by default
on pretty much any machine in any case, compile times shouldn't be much of a
problem, and so if my understanding of pip is correct, we could have full
pip support with a source release on pypi.

 

The .NET Client Profile is installed by default, but not the full framework
nor the developer tools.  In fact, most of the python developers I know do
not have the .NET development tools installed.  Being forced to install them
would be a barrier to entry for them.  The users of their apps definitely
don't have the compiler installed, nor should they have to.


 

 

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