[python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 9
Sophie Hendley
sophie.hendley at digvis.co.uk
Tue Dec 6 12:35:33 EST 2016
Thanks everyone for the feedback.
They are both genuinely excellent positions for the right person. Of course
I have lots more info on both roles for anyone who is interested or wishes
to recommend someone.
@Steve thanks for your detailed response- will take this onboard
Have a good evening all!
Sophie
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> 1. Re: python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 6 (Matthew Webber)
> 2. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k
> (Richard Smith)
> 3. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k (Tom Wright)
> 4. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k
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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:12:03 +0000
> From: Matthew Webber <matthew at unsolvable.org>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 6
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> >> Also my name is Sophie not "recruiter".
> Hi Sophie,
> My apologies for any offence caused by my part in this.
> In fact in my original message, when I said "recruiter" rather than your
> name, it was because I didn't want to make it personal. Guess I should have
> thought it through a little more!
> Matthew
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> From: Richard Smith <richard at indigo3.com>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to
> ?95k
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> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:59 Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > A little innocent fun is OK, but when it runs the risk of being hurtful
> > it's probably gone far enough. It would be horrible if the Python
> community
> > got a name for being snide.
> >
>
> +1
>
> While I didn't post, I considered making something of a contribution, which
> was, in hindsight not going to be a positive contribution.
>
> However, lets not forget what the original post was, which is spam. I
> object to having that kind of content in my mailbox (have subsequently
> added the OP to my shitlist in GApps).
>
> Dyslexia or not, the content of the opportunities that was advertised were
> not of acceptable standard:
>
> - no salary definitions
> - no explanation of benefits
> - nothing but a technology stack as way of skills requirements which is
> next to pointless
> - no info on precise location in London
> - naught but a slightly vague title
> - a salary carrot on a long stick (the "up to ?95k").
>
> It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making the post
> and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some fish
> biting.
>
> Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more accommodating. As
> it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents.
>
> ~ Rich
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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:29:35 +0000
> From: Tom Wright <tom at tatw.name>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
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> Perhaps replying immediately doesn't count as pause, but I hope this
> constitutes thought.
>
> I would make three points:
>
> I. The tone of the response may in part be due to the recruitment topic
> more than anything else. This is unfortunately a rather fraught subject.
> Bulk recruitment ads are so common it is unsurprising that people would
> view them as a piece of text rather than a correspondence with a real
> person.
>
> II. I suspect that many readers do not view this list as for communication
> that requires "professional" standards. And might view the imposition of
> professionalism in this context as problematic.
>
> This represents the key conflict at the heart of codes of conduct: in-group
> behaviour that can be damagingly exclusionary, versus the imposition of
> strict rules that impinge upon an informal setting.
>
> III. I don't know if the guidance on this list for jobs posts is
> particularly clear, and if I am not mistaken is mostly held in people's
> heads. An unfortunate side effect of no clearly defined rules is that the
> informal rules can be unforced rather unfriendlily.
>
> On 6 Dec 2016 1:46 p.m., "David Wilson" <dw+python-uk at hmmz.org> wrote:
>
> > While I quite enjoyed this thread and, especially considering the
> > recruiter's followup, it appears to have somewhat been in bad taste.
> >
> > I can't speak for others, but I'm in my mid 30s and regularly confuse
> > license/licence, prescribe/proscribe and without doubt a bunch more,
> > either through finger memory or plain old thinko. It would not be
> > without embarrassment to have strangers publicly ridicule such errors,
> > especially in a professional context as occurred here.
> >
> > This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the underlying
> > insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of Conduct,
> > therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect on it.
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:57:00PM +0000, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
> > > On 06/12/16 13:20, Roger Gammans wrote:
> > > > If your set of Prinicpia is Russell's not Newton's you may not
> > > > have simple values.
> > >
> > > Our principal aim is to express a complete and consistent set of
> > > misspelled principles.
> > >
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:49:49 +0000
> From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
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> Yes, it's a pity the more rational feedback didn't come first, but knees do
> tend to jerk at recruitment communications. S
>
> Steve Holden
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Tom Wright <tom at tatw.name> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps replying immediately doesn't count as pause, but I hope this
> > constitutes thought.
> >
> > I would make three points:
> >
> > I. The tone of the response may in part be due to the recruitment topic
> > more than anything else. This is unfortunately a rather fraught subject.
> > Bulk recruitment ads are so common it is unsurprising that people would
> > view them as a piece of text rather than a correspondence with a real
> > person.
> >
> > II. I suspect that many readers do not view this list as for
> communication
> > that requires "professional" standards. And might view the imposition of
> > professionalism in this context as problematic.
> >
> > This represents the key conflict at the heart of codes of conduct:
> > in-group behaviour that can be damagingly exclusionary, versus the
> > imposition of strict rules that impinge upon an informal setting.
> >
> > III. I don't know if the guidance on this list for jobs posts is
> > particularly clear, and if I am not mistaken is mostly held in people's
> > heads. An unfortunate side effect of no clearly defined rules is that the
> > informal rules can be unforced rather unfriendlily.
> >
> > On 6 Dec 2016 1:46 p.m., "David Wilson" <dw+python-uk at hmmz.org> wrote:
> >
> >> While I quite enjoyed this thread and, especially considering the
> >> recruiter's followup, it appears to have somewhat been in bad taste.
> >>
> >> I can't speak for others, but I'm in my mid 30s and regularly confuse
> >> license/licence, prescribe/proscribe and without doubt a bunch more,
> >> either through finger memory or plain old thinko. It would not be
> >> without embarrassment to have strangers publicly ridicule such errors,
> >> especially in a professional context as occurred here.
> >>
> >> This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the underlying
> >> insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of Conduct,
> >> therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect on it.
> >>
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:57:00PM +0000, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
> >> > On 06/12/16 13:20, Roger Gammans wrote:
> >> > > If your set of Prinicpia is Russell's not Newton's you may not
> >> > > have simple values.
> >> >
> >> > Our principal aim is to express a complete and consistent set of
> >> > misspelled principles.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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