From tom at viner.tv Thu Apr 2 10:40:12 2015 From: tom at viner.tv (Tom Viner) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:40:12 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Announcing: London Dojo Thursday 9th April Message-ID: Hi all, For April's Dojo we'll be with Skimlinks, in their office just North of Old Street. As usual we'll have pizza, drinks and all the group coding you can manage. We'll have a couple of lightning talks too. There'll also be the prize draw for a random O'Reilly Python book. Get your tickets while they're hot - especially if you've never come before, we really welcome everyone: *https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-6-episode-8 * If you need any more information (or want to volunteer as a "cat herder" of a dojo), contact the team via Twitter: @ldnpydojo or via email team at ldnpydojo.org.uk Look forward to seeing you all next Thursday. Tom @tomviner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alistair.broomhead at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 11:07:35 2015 From: alistair.broomhead at gmail.com (Alistair Broomhead) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 09:07:35 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Announcing: London Dojo Thursday 9th April In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Just a quick update: Due to a couple of cancellations we have a couple of tickets available for tomorrow's dojo - if you've been unable to pick up tickets thus far, now's your chance. Also contrary to the previous email we're trying something a bit different in terms of food - it's a surprise, but we hope you'll all like it. Al On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 at 09:40 Tom Viner wrote: > Hi all, > > For April's Dojo we'll be with Skimlinks, in their office just North of > Old Street. > > As usual we'll have pizza, drinks and all the group coding you can manage. > We'll have a couple of lightning talks too. > > There'll also be the prize draw for a random O'Reilly Python book. > > Get your tickets while they're hot - especially if you've never come > before, we really welcome everyone: > *https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-6-episode-8 > * > > If you need any more information (or want to volunteer as a "cat herder" > of a dojo), contact the team via Twitter: > @ldnpydojo or via email > team at ldnpydojo.org.uk > > Look forward to seeing you all next Thursday. > > Tom > @tomviner > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marimarbr at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 23:51:25 2015 From: marimarbr at gmail.com (Mar Bartolome) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 22:51:25 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Announcing: London Dojo Thursday 9th April In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone. I think I'd rather give up my ticket also, since I'm feeling sick =( Maybe next time! 2015-04-08 10:07 GMT+01:00 Alistair Broomhead : > Hi All, > > Just a quick update: > > Due to a couple of cancellations we have a couple of tickets available for > tomorrow's dojo - if you've been unable to pick up tickets thus far, now's > your chance. > > Also contrary to the previous email we're trying something a bit different > in terms of food - it's a surprise, but we hope you'll all like it. > > Al > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 at 09:40 Tom Viner wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> For April's Dojo we'll be with Skimlinks, in their office just North of >> Old Street. >> >> As usual we'll have pizza, drinks and all the group coding you can >> manage. We'll have a couple of lightning talks too. >> >> There'll also be the prize draw for a random O'Reilly Python book. >> >> Get your tickets while they're hot - especially if you've never come >> before, we really welcome everyone: >> *https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-6-episode-8 >> * >> >> If you need any more information (or want to volunteer as a "cat herder" >> of a dojo), contact the team via Twitter: >> @ldnpydojo or via email >> team at ldnpydojo.org.uk >> >> Look forward to seeing you all next Thursday. >> >> Tom >> @tomviner >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.FANGOHR at soton.ac.uk Mon Apr 13 18:00:26 2015 From: H.FANGOHR at soton.ac.uk (Fangohr H.) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:00:26 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Summer Academy on Computational Modelling in June - registration open now. References: Message-ID: <2B24E13D-D351-4FE2-B202-5F2596251DB6@soton.ac.uk> Hi Pythonistas, the one-week workshop described below in Southampton is centered around Python in Science and Engineering (in particular for Computational Modelling and simulation, but also visualisation and [big] data processing). Of particular interest for this community may be the course on IPython (Fernando Perez and his team will be delivering this), the course on Pandas and the course on Python based dolfin finite element library. Other courses, such as the VTK/Paraview course will teach scripting of VTK/Paraview from Python, and even the courses closer to hardware will use Python where possible (PyCUDA etc). Places are subsidised for PhD students (at 25 pounds, full cost ~550 pounds). More details in summary and links below. Best wishes, Hans Welcome to the NGCM Summer Academy Welcome to the webpages of the Summer Academy of the EPSRC Centre for Doctoral Training (CDT) in Next Generation Computational Modelling. The inaugural NGCM Summer Academy will be held at the University of Southampton from Sunday, 21 June to Friday, 26 June 2015. The NGCM Summer Academy is a one-week event bringing together PhD students from across the UK who work on computer simulation of science and engineering problems, and want to extend their training through the workshops available at the Summer Academy. The training is delivered by world-leading experts and key developers of the relevant software tools, and includes 3-day courses on IPython and the IPyton Notebook, VTK and Paraview, and GPU programming using CUDA, and 2-day courses on the Pandas Python library for data handling, Azure Cloud Computing, Programming the Intel Xeon Phi and Fenics and dolfin multiphysics finite element suite Prerequisites vary from course to course, but generally include at least some programming experience. Prior to the main programme outlined above, we offer a course aimed at those just starting with computational work. This course provides a more basic introduction to Python, version control and testing and can be attended separately as a one-day event. The NGCM summer school offers 50 subsidised spaces available to UK PhD students working with computational modelling. General registration will open on 1 April 2015. There is a nominal attendance fee of ?25 (or ?5 for the one-day introductory course). For further information please visit the Summer Academy?s webpage at http://ngcm.soton.ac.uk/summer-academy/, or register here. -- Dr Susanne Ufermann Centre Manager EPSRC Centre for Doctoral Training in Next Generation Computational Modelling Engineering and the Environment Southampton Boldrewood Innovation Campus Southampton SO16 7QF United Kingdom www: http://www.ngcm.soton.ac.uk e: ngcm at soton.ac.uk p: +44 (0) 23 8059 1272 From ntoll at ntoll.org Thu Apr 16 17:09:02 2015 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:09:02 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python in Education - now available Message-ID: <552FD08E.70700@ntoll.org> Hi Folks, Apologies for the shameless plug, but I just realised I've not mentioned this to anyone in the UK! My FREE short report for O'Reilly on Python in Education is available here: http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp If lots of people download it then O'Reilly might finally get the message that tech-education is an important sub-category (my editor is trying to push this but seems to hit blank faces from higher-ups, apparently number of unique downloads matters). ;-) Many many thanks to UK based Pythonistas: Carrie Anne Philbin, Naomi Ceder and Tim Golden for their proof reading of an early version. All feedback most welcome! Best wishes, Nicholas. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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S > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:09:02 +0100 > From: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" > To: python-uk at python.org > Subject: [python-uk] Python in Education - now available > Message-ID: <552FD08E.70700 at ntoll.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Folks, > > Apologies for the shameless plug, but I just realised I've not mentioned > this to anyone in the UK! > > My FREE short report for O'Reilly on Python in Education is available here: > > http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp > > If lots of people download it then O'Reilly might finally get the > message that tech-education is an important sub-category (my editor is > trying to push this but seems to hit blank faces from higher-ups, > apparently number of unique downloads matters). ;-) > > Many many thanks to UK based Pythonistas: Carrie Anne Philbin, Naomi > Ceder and Tim Golden for their proof reading of an early version. > > All feedback most welcome! > > Best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > From andy at reportlab.com Fri Apr 17 14:15:26 2015 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:15:26 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python in education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone know what textbooks are being used for the new computing GCSE, which apparently uses Python? This must be the best opportunity ever for a few good Python authors and for O'Reilly - or another publisher who beats them to it ;-) - Andy On 17 April 2015 at 12:56, SW wrote: > It has certainly started off well, but now I need to get back to doing the > stuff that gets me paid for the afternoon so I'll have to read more later. > > Perhaps the people at O'Reilly have decided that they'll be out of business > in 10 years? If not, their higher ups should really understand that trying > to promote better technical education in schools will increase the > attractiveness of their offerings over time. > > There I go bringing this 'logic' thing in again. I'll stop! > > S >> >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:09:02 +0100 >> From: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" >> To: python-uk at python.org >> Subject: [python-uk] Python in Education - now available >> Message-ID: <552FD08E.70700 at ntoll.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> Apologies for the shameless plug, but I just realised I've not mentioned >> this to anyone in the UK! >> >> My FREE short report for O'Reilly on Python in Education is available >> here: >> >> http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp >> >> If lots of people download it then O'Reilly might finally get the >> message that tech-education is an important sub-category (my editor is >> trying to push this but seems to hit blank faces from higher-ups, >> apparently number of unique downloads matters). ;-) >> >> Many many thanks to UK based Pythonistas: Carrie Anne Philbin, Naomi >> Ceder and Tim Golden for their proof reading of an early version. >> >> All feedback most welcome! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Nicholas. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From j.g.metcalfe at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 16:51:19 2015 From: j.g.metcalfe at gmail.com (Joe Metcalfe) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 15:51:19 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 140, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm at 'Hacking the Curriculum' today (at BCS in London) where we are starting to write a WikiBook "KS3 Computing". On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send python-uk mailing list submissions to > python-uk at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-uk-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-uk-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of python-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Python in education (SW) > 2. Re: Python in education (Andy Robinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:56:57 +0100 > From: SW > To: python-uk at python.org > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Python in education > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed > > It has certainly started off well, but now I need to get back to doing > the stuff that gets me paid for the afternoon so I'll have to read more > later. > > Perhaps the people at O'Reilly have decided that they'll be out of > business in 10 years? If not, their higher ups should really understand > that trying to promote better technical education in schools will > increase the attractiveness of their offerings over time. > > There I go bringing this 'logic' thing in again. I'll stop! > > S > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:09:02 +0100 > > From: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" > > To: python-uk at python.org > > Subject: [python-uk] Python in Education - now available > > Message-ID: <552FD08E.70700 at ntoll.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Apologies for the shameless plug, but I just realised I've not mentioned > > this to anyone in the UK! > > > > My FREE short report for O'Reilly on Python in Education is available > here: > > > > http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp > > > > If lots of people download it then O'Reilly might finally get the > > message that tech-education is an important sub-category (my editor is > > trying to push this but seems to hit blank faces from higher-ups, > > apparently number of unique downloads matters). ;-) > > > > Many many thanks to UK based Pythonistas: Carrie Anne Philbin, Naomi > > Ceder and Tim Golden for their proof reading of an early version. > > > > All feedback most welcome! > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nicholas. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:15:26 +0100 > From: Andy Robinson > To: UK Python Users > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Python in education > Message-ID: > < > CABjtApsPuhoNdLpH9Pe3_tKiu9nZ4neTvmR1r85ffrGPFkQAnw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Does anyone know what textbooks are being used for the new computing > GCSE, which apparently uses Python? > > This must be the best opportunity ever for a few good Python authors > and for O'Reilly - or another publisher who beats them to it ;-) > > - Andy > > > > > > On 17 April 2015 at 12:56, SW wrote: > > It has certainly started off well, but now I need to get back to doing > the > > stuff that gets me paid for the afternoon so I'll have to read more > later. > > > > Perhaps the people at O'Reilly have decided that they'll be out of > business > > in 10 years? If not, their higher ups should really understand that > trying > > to promote better technical education in schools will increase the > > attractiveness of their offerings over time. > > > > There I go bringing this 'logic' thing in again. I'll stop! > > > > S > >> > >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:09:02 +0100 > >> From: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" > >> To: python-uk at python.org > >> Subject: [python-uk] Python in Education - now available > >> Message-ID: <552FD08E.70700 at ntoll.org> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Folks, > >> > >> Apologies for the shameless plug, but I just realised I've not mentioned > >> this to anyone in the UK! > >> > >> My FREE short report for O'Reilly on Python in Education is available > >> here: > >> > >> http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp > >> > >> If lots of people download it then O'Reilly might finally get the > >> message that tech-education is an important sub-category (my editor is > >> trying to push this but seems to hit blank faces from higher-ups, > >> apparently number of unique downloads matters). ;-) > >> > >> Many many thanks to UK based Pythonistas: Carrie Anne Philbin, Naomi > >> Ceder and Tim Golden for their proof reading of an early version. > >> > >> All feedback most welcome! > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Nicholas. > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > End of python-uk Digest, Vol 140, Issue 6 > ***************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Full details of the talks can be seen on Eventbrite: http://python-glasgow-2015-may-talks.eventbrite.co.uk/ There are 40 places and last time we had a full house, so don't delay in getting your ticket! Dougal From a.grandi at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 11:30:03 2015 From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:30:03 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK Message-ID: Hi! My current company, Yoyo Wallet, will be hosting the first DJUGL of 2015 in collaboration with Austin Fraser. There will be Python/Django related talks, pizza and beer offered by our sponsor. Sorry for this late notice, but I hope you are still in time to make your plans and come to the event :) We still have around 28 tickets available and you can register and find more informations here http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/djugl-tickets-16561179935 The address is: Yoyo - c/o WayraUK Shropshire House 2-10 Capper Street WC1E 6JA London United Kingdom See you this evening! -- Andrea Grandi - Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia Developer Champion website: http://www.andreagrandi.it From tom at viner.tv Wed Apr 22 12:40:45 2015 From: tom at viner.tv (Tom Viner) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:40:45 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andrea n all, Pity, I love DJUGL (it was my first ever London meetup), but this is too late notice. Joint twitter / this-listserv announcements would be appreciated by me for one. Tom On 22 April 2015 at 10:30, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote: > Hi! > > My current company, Yoyo Wallet, will be hosting the first DJUGL of > 2015 in collaboration with Austin Fraser. > > There will be Python/Django related talks, pizza and beer offered by > our sponsor. > > Sorry for this late notice, but I hope you are still in time to make > your plans and come to the event :) > > We still have around 28 tickets available and you can register and > find more informations here > http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/djugl-tickets-16561179935 > > The address is: > > Yoyo - c/o WayraUK > Shropshire House > 2-10 Capper Street > WC1E 6JA London > United Kingdom > > See you this evening! > > -- > Andrea Grandi - Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia Developer > Champion > website: http://www.andreagrandi.it > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sorry :( On 22 April 2015 at 11:44, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > On 22/04/15 11:40, Tom Viner wrote: >> Joint twitter / this-listserv announcements would be appreciated by me >> for one. >> > > Seconded... if we don't know it's happening... etc... > > N. > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -- Andrea Grandi - Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia Developer Champion website: http://www.andreagrandi.it From sparks.m at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 12:54:41 2015 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:54:41 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> Message-ID: I don't know about others, but unless you check twitter all the time, then a lot of announcements tend to disappear into the ether. (Much as I like twitter) Regional announcements would be nice to see more on this list too. (I often can't make them due to family/work commitments, but still, I can hope :-) Regards, Michael. 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URL: From j.gould at austinfraser.com Wed Apr 22 12:59:48 2015 From: j.gould at austinfraser.com (Jon Gould) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:59:48 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hands up.... guilty, sorry, that was my fault. It's been a while since DJUGL has happened. Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to help with the running of the event. There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to change the typical perception and become an active member of the Django community. It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups happening this week. Hopefully by having a bigger group involved in the organising, we'll be able to avoid future clashes. If anyone is keen to get involved, please give me a shout. Cheers, Jon *Jon Gould* / Manager / Web & Digital /*Tel* +44(0)1189520159 / austinfraser.com / Twitter / LinkedIn / ?2015. Austin Fraser Ltd. Terms and Conditions. We are proud to share our achievements and involvement in ? The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2013 The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2014 The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2015 The Sunday Times Fast Track 100 Investors in People|GOLD APSCo . Austin Fraser Ltd is registered in England: 05684470. Austin Fraser Limited, One Forbury Square, The Forbury, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 3BB On 22 April 2015 at 11:54, Michael wrote: > I don't know about others, but unless you check twitter all the time, then > a lot of announcements tend to disappear into the ether. (Much as I like > twitter) > > Regional announcements would be nice to see more on this list too. (I > often can't make them due to family/work commitments, but still, I can hope > :-) > > Regards, > > > Michael. > > On 22 April 2015 at 11:48, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I tweeted it a couple of times and even the official DJUGL account >> tweeted about it, but we all forgot to post here. >> >> I'm sorry :( >> >> On 22 April 2015 at 11:44, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: >> > On 22/04/15 11:40, Tom Viner wrote: >> >> Joint twitter / this-listserv announcements would be appreciated by me >> >> for one. >> >> >> > >> > Seconded... if we don't know it's happening... etc... >> > >> > N. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > python-uk mailing list >> > python-uk at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrea Grandi - Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia Developer >> Champion >> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote: > Hands up.... guilty, sorry, that was my fault. > > It's been a while since DJUGL has happened. > > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to > help with the running of the event. > > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to > change the typical perception and become an active member of the Django > community. > > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups > happening this week. Hopefully by having a bigger group involved in the > organising, we'll be able to avoid future clashes. > > If anyone is keen to get involved, please give me a shout. > > Cheers, Jon > > > > *Jon Gould* / Manager / Web & Digital / > *Tel* +44(0)1189520159 / > austinfraser.com / Twitter / > LinkedIn / > > > ?2015. Austin Fraser Ltd. > Terms and Conditions. > > We are proud to share our achievements and involvement in ? > The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2013 > > The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2014 > > The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2015 > > The Sunday Times Fast Track 100 > > Investors in People|GOLD > APSCo . > > Austin Fraser Ltd is registered in England: 05684470. Austin Fraser > Limited, One Forbury Square, The Forbury, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 3BB > > > On 22 April 2015 at 11:54, Michael > wrote: > > I don't know about others, but unless you check twitter all the > time, then a lot of announcements tend to disappear into the ether. > (Much as I like twitter) > > Regional announcements would be nice to see more on this list too. > (I often can't make them due to family/work commitments, but still, > I can hope :-) > > Regards, > > > Michael. > > On 22 April 2015 at 11:48, a.grandi at gmail.com > > wrote: > > Hi, > > I tweeted it a couple of times and even the official DJUGL account > tweeted about it, but we all forgot to post here. > > I'm sorry :( > > On 22 April 2015 at 11:44, Nicholas H.Tollervey > wrote: > > On 22/04/15 11:40, Tom Viner wrote: > >> Joint twitter / this-listserv announcements would be > appreciated by me > >> for one. > >> > > > > Seconded... if we don't know it's happening... etc... > > > > N. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > > -- > Andrea Grandi - Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia > Developer Champion > website: http://www.andreagrandi.it > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dr. Seuss From akumria at acm.org Wed Apr 22 14:07:20 2015 From: akumria at acm.org (Anand Kumria) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:07:20 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> Hi Jon, On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote: > > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to > help with the running of the event. Why? If you feel you don't have the time / energy, why continue to run it? What particular need do you feel DJUGL is serving? > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to > change the typical perception and become an active member of the > Django community. I've never seen you come to a London Django meetup - that was the one last night. Nor did I see you at any of the London Django coding sessions; nor the (recent) Django sprint. No one expects you to come to every possible event but *only* going to the ones that you put on indicates that your perception of the community is limited. Particularly if you've not been able to over the last 7 years. The "negative impression" is something I've heard many times; a number of speakers have resented that the fact that their presentation needed to be "vetted" for recruitment statements and they felt obliged not to say "we're hiring" in their presentations. > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups > happening this week. You wrote me a email complaining about that, but *why* is it a shame? I think it is something to celebrate that London has a sufficiently large Django community to be able to easily support two meetups during the week. I know plenty of people who are going to both; it seems like a win for the community to have choice. Anand -- ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss From a.grandi at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 14:18:29 2015 From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:18:29 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: <55378F11.2040003@acm.org> References: <55378F11.2040003@acm.org> Message-ID: <553791c2.05d4b40a.4cf1.ffff9d94@mx.google.com> Hi, No the venue is the same. They just released more tickets because we have organized the same space in a better way and we can actually host more people. Cheers Sent from my Windows Phone -----Original Message----- From: "Anand Kumria" Sent: ?22/?04/?2015 13:08 To: "python-uk at python.org" ; "a.grandi at gmail.com" Subject: Re: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK On 22/04/15 10:30, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote: > We still have around 28 tickets available and you can register and Interesting. Last night, there were no tickets left. Has the venue changed? Thanks, Anand -- ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.gould at austinfraser.com Wed Apr 22 16:04:20 2015 From: j.gould at austinfraser.com (Jon Gould) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:04:20 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> Message-ID: Thanks Anand, There are some interesting points raised. I love that the Django community has grown so much in recent years. Likewise the number of events happening in London, each offering something different. One thing that I have always encouraged at DJUGL if for speakers to promote the fact that they are hiring especially as not everyone wants (or is able) to pay recruitment fees. This even includes my own existing clients. What purpose does DJUGL serve? great question. Would really be interested to see what the community thinks? As a long term sponsor, I inherited the running of DJUGL a 3 years or so ago as various people's workloads increased as they pursued new ventures. My own workload has increased (one of a few reason's the event hasn't happened) recently, which is why I feel it would be useful for other people to help out to keep it relevant. One thing that I am able to offer is a good knowledge of people working on interesting Python/Django projects and find unique speakers to give either lightning or longer talks. Granted I haven't been to many other Python events bar DJUGL, having a young family and working long hours doesn't always lend itself to giving up many evenings/weekends to attend meetups. The Python Dojo for example, has limited space and tickets normally go quickly, I wouldn't want to take the place there of someone who would actually be able to take part in the coding challenges. Happy to speak further on this and as always, I'm always open to wider feedback. Thanks Jon *Jon Gould* / Manager / Web & Digital /*Tel* +44(0)1189520159 / austinfraser.com / Twitter / LinkedIn / ?2015. Austin Fraser Ltd. Terms and Conditions. We are proud to share our achievements and involvement in ? The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2013 The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2014 The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2015 The Sunday Times Fast Track 100 Investors in People|GOLD APSCo . Austin Fraser Ltd is registered in England: 05684470. Austin Fraser Limited, One Forbury Square, The Forbury, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 3BB On 22 April 2015 at 13:07, Anand Kumria wrote: > Hi Jon, > > On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote: > > > > > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to > > help with the running of the event. > > Why? > > If you feel you don't have the time / energy, why continue to run it? > > What particular need do you feel DJUGL is serving? > > > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters > > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who > > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to > > change the typical perception and become an active member of the > > Django community. > > I've never seen you come to a London Django meetup - that was the one > last night. Nor did I see you at any of the London Django coding > sessions; nor the (recent) Django sprint. > > No one expects you to come to every possible event but *only* going to > the ones that you put on indicates that your perception of the community > is limited. Particularly if you've not been able to over the last 7 years. > > The "negative impression" is something I've heard many times; a number > of speakers have resented that the fact that their presentation needed > to be "vetted" for recruitment statements and they felt obliged not to > say "we're hiring" in their presentations. > > > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups > > happening this week. > > You wrote me a email complaining about that, but *why* is it a shame? > > I think it is something to celebrate that London has a sufficiently > large Django community to be able to easily support two meetups during > the week. > > I know plenty of people who are going to both; it seems like a win for > the community to have choice. > > Anand > > -- > ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From agonzalezro at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 16:55:47 2015 From: agonzalezro at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?w4FsZXggR29uesOhbGV6?=) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:55:47 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> Message-ID: Hi g(uy|irl)s, my 2 cents here. As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to find sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship offers from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that you (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of relationship: - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know Django as a keyword. - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner & beer networking included. Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of event, but it's not the case at all. In case that it was I would completely agree with you & probably don't go to the DJUGL meetup again. But, I repeat, it's not the case, it's just a win-win relation here. You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he doesn't want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was hiring, Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides in advance. And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2 events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions. Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and in case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community will be the one winning. Regards, ?lex Gonz?lez On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Jon Gould wrote: > Thanks Anand, > > There are some interesting points raised. I love that the Django community > has grown so much in recent years. Likewise the number of events happening > in London, each offering something different. > > One thing that I have always encouraged at DJUGL if for speakers to > promote the fact that they are hiring especially as not everyone wants (or > is able) to pay recruitment fees. This even includes my own existing > clients. > > What purpose does DJUGL serve? great question. Would really be interested > to see what the community thinks? > > As a long term sponsor, I inherited the running of DJUGL a 3 years or so > ago as various people's workloads increased as they pursued new ventures. > My own workload has increased (one of a few reason's the event hasn't > happened) recently, which is why I feel it would be useful for other people > to help out to keep it relevant. > > One thing that I am able to offer is a good knowledge of people working on > interesting Python/Django projects and find unique speakers to give either > lightning or longer talks. > > Granted I haven't been to many other Python events bar DJUGL, having a > young family and working long hours doesn't always lend itself to giving up > many evenings/weekends to attend meetups. The Python Dojo for example, has > limited space and tickets normally go quickly, I wouldn't want to take the > place there of someone who would actually be able to take part in the > coding challenges. > > Happy to speak further on this and as always, I'm always open to wider > feedback. > > Thanks > > Jon > > > > *Jon Gould* / Manager / Web & Digital /*Tel* +44(0)1189520159 / austinfraser.com > / Twitter / > LinkedIn / > > > ?2015. Austin Fraser Ltd. > Terms and Conditions. > > We are proud to share our achievements and involvement in ? > The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2013 > > The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2014 > > The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2015 > > The Sunday Times Fast Track 100 > > Investors in People|GOLD > APSCo . > > Austin Fraser Ltd is registered in England: 05684470. Austin Fraser > Limited, One Forbury Square, The Forbury, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 3BB > > On 22 April 2015 at 13:07, Anand Kumria wrote: > >> Hi Jon, >> >> On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote: >> >> > >> > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to >> > help with the running of the event. >> >> Why? >> >> If you feel you don't have the time / energy, why continue to run it? >> >> What particular need do you feel DJUGL is serving? >> >> > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters >> > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who >> > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to >> > change the typical perception and become an active member of the >> > Django community. >> >> I've never seen you come to a London Django meetup - that was the one >> last night. Nor did I see you at any of the London Django coding >> sessions; nor the (recent) Django sprint. >> >> No one expects you to come to every possible event but *only* going to >> the ones that you put on indicates that your perception of the community >> is limited. Particularly if you've not been able to over the last 7 years. >> >> The "negative impression" is something I've heard many times; a number >> of speakers have resented that the fact that their presentation needed >> to be "vetted" for recruitment statements and they felt obliged not to >> say "we're hiring" in their presentations. >> >> > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups >> > happening this week. >> >> You wrote me a email complaining about that, but *why* is it a shame? >> >> I think it is something to celebrate that London has a sufficiently >> large Django community to be able to easily support two meetups during >> the week. >> >> I know plenty of people who are going to both; it seems like a win for >> the community to have choice. >> >> Anand >> >> -- >> ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -- @agonzalezro or my blog Please, don't send me files with extensions: .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt and/or .pptx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philtysoe at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 17:52:11 2015 From: philtysoe at gmail.com (Phil Tysoe) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:52:11 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> Message-ID: In total agreement with Peter on this, I have been a long time attendee of DJUGL and have always found it hugely enjoyable and well organised, with varied and interesting talks. Thank Jon for your hard work, it is much appreciated. On 22 April 2015 at 15:55, ?lex Gonz?lez wrote: > Hi g(uy|irl)s, > > my 2 cents here. > > As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to find > sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship offers > from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that you > (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: > > I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of relationship: > > - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people > around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk > to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know > Django as a keyword. > - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner & > beer networking included. > > Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of > event, but it's not the case at all. In case that it was I would completely > agree with you & probably don't go to the DJUGL meetup again. But, I > repeat, it's not the case, it's just a win-win relation here. > > You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he doesn't > want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. > > I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was hiring, > Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides in > advance. > > And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the same > technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try to > suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2 > events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions. > > Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and in > case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community will > be the one winning. > > Regards, > ?lex Gonz?lez > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Jon Gould > wrote: > >> Thanks Anand, >> >> There are some interesting points raised. I love that the Django >> community has grown so much in recent years. Likewise the number of events >> happening in London, each offering something different. >> >> One thing that I have always encouraged at DJUGL if for speakers to >> promote the fact that they are hiring especially as not everyone wants (or >> is able) to pay recruitment fees. This even includes my own existing >> clients. >> >> What purpose does DJUGL serve? great question. Would really be interested >> to see what the community thinks? >> >> As a long term sponsor, I inherited the running of DJUGL a 3 years or so >> ago as various people's workloads increased as they pursued new ventures. >> My own workload has increased (one of a few reason's the event hasn't >> happened) recently, which is why I feel it would be useful for other people >> to help out to keep it relevant. >> >> One thing that I am able to offer is a good knowledge of people working >> on interesting Python/Django projects and find unique speakers to give >> either lightning or longer talks. >> >> Granted I haven't been to many other Python events bar DJUGL, having a >> young family and working long hours doesn't always lend itself to giving up >> many evenings/weekends to attend meetups. The Python Dojo for example, has >> limited space and tickets normally go quickly, I wouldn't want to take the >> place there of someone who would actually be able to take part in the >> coding challenges. >> >> Happy to speak further on this and as always, I'm always open to wider >> feedback. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> *Jon Gould* / Manager / Web & Digital /*Tel* +44(0)1189520159 / austinfraser.com >> / Twitter / >> LinkedIn / >> >> >> ?2015. Austin Fraser Ltd. >> Terms and Conditions. >> >> We are proud to share our achievements and involvement in ? >> The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2013 >> >> The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2014 >> >> The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2015 >> >> The Sunday Times Fast Track 100 >> >> Investors in People|GOLD >> APSCo . >> >> Austin Fraser Ltd is registered in England: 05684470. Austin Fraser >> Limited, One Forbury Square, The Forbury, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 3BB >> >> On 22 April 2015 at 13:07, Anand Kumria wrote: >> >>> Hi Jon, >>> >>> On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to >>> > help with the running of the event. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> If you feel you don't have the time / energy, why continue to run it? >>> >>> What particular need do you feel DJUGL is serving? >>> >>> > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters >>> > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who >>> > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to >>> > change the typical perception and become an active member of the >>> > Django community. >>> >>> I've never seen you come to a London Django meetup - that was the one >>> last night. Nor did I see you at any of the London Django coding >>> sessions; nor the (recent) Django sprint. >>> >>> No one expects you to come to every possible event but *only* going to >>> the ones that you put on indicates that your perception of the community >>> is limited. Particularly if you've not been able to over the last 7 >>> years. >>> >>> The "negative impression" is something I've heard many times; a number >>> of speakers have resented that the fact that their presentation needed >>> to be "vetted" for recruitment statements and they felt obliged not to >>> say "we're hiring" in their presentations. >>> >>> > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups >>> > happening this week. >>> >>> You wrote me a email complaining about that, but *why* is it a shame? >>> >>> I think it is something to celebrate that London has a sufficiently >>> large Django community to be able to easily support two meetups during >>> the week. >>> >>> I know plenty of people who are going to both; it seems like a win for >>> the community to have choice. >>> >>> Anand >>> >>> -- >>> ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> > > > -- > @agonzalezro or my blog > > Please, don't send me files with extensions: .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, > .ppt and/or .pptx > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rachid.belaid at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 18:36:22 2015 From: rachid.belaid at gmail.com (Rachid Belaid) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:36:22 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> Message-ID: Hey, I haven't been doing much meetup lately but I always enjoyed the djugl.. organizing talk is hard (I think that the London Django meetup know well about that) and I'm very thankful to Jon and his team to spend the time of doing it. If they do that from interest, I'm 200% fine with that as the result is a very well organized event which is very welcoming for newbie... personally I never been poached or harass during the event, It was as technical as any other meetup. Considering that the events are not doing the same thing: informal pub meetup and the other is doing talks ... I think that it's completely fine of having both events the same week and people do what they are appeal to or even both... Now, people organizing python related event know the email of each other so why not sending a courtesy email next time before planning your next event. It will take you 5min and we will avoid this kind of thread about clashing event which seems to annoy some people. Thanks for both team: Djugl and London Django Meetup to organize events for the community. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Phil Tysoe wrote: > In total agreement with Peter on this, I have been a long time attendee of DJUGL > and have always found it hugely enjoyable and well organised, with varied > and interesting talks. > > Thank Jon for your hard work, it is much appreciated. > > On 22 April 2015 at 15:55, ?lex Gonz?lez wrote: > >> Hi g(uy|irl)s, >> >> my 2 cents here. >> >> As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to find >> sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship offers >> from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that you >> (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: >> >> I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of >> relationship: >> >> - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people >> around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk >> to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know >> Django as a keyword. >> - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner & >> beer networking included. >> >> Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of >> event, but it's not the case at all. In case that it was I would completely >> agree with you & probably don't go to the DJUGL meetup again. But, I >> repeat, it's not the case, it's just a win-win relation here. >> >> You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he doesn't >> want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. >> >> I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was hiring, >> Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides in >> advance. >> >> And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the >> same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try >> to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2 >> events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions. >> >> Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and in >> case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community will >> be the one winning. >> >> Regards, >> ?lex Gonz?lez >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Jon Gould >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Anand, >>> >>> There are some interesting points raised. I love that the Django >>> community has grown so much in recent years. Likewise the number of events >>> happening in London, each offering something different. >>> >>> One thing that I have always encouraged at DJUGL if for speakers to >>> promote the fact that they are hiring especially as not everyone wants (or >>> is able) to pay recruitment fees. This even includes my own existing >>> clients. >>> >>> What purpose does DJUGL serve? great question. Would really be >>> interested to see what the community thinks? >>> >>> As a long term sponsor, I inherited the running of DJUGL a 3 years or so >>> ago as various people's workloads increased as they pursued new ventures. >>> My own workload has increased (one of a few reason's the event hasn't >>> happened) recently, which is why I feel it would be useful for other people >>> to help out to keep it relevant. >>> >>> One thing that I am able to offer is a good knowledge of people working >>> on interesting Python/Django projects and find unique speakers to give >>> either lightning or longer talks. >>> >>> Granted I haven't been to many other Python events bar DJUGL, having a >>> young family and working long hours doesn't always lend itself to giving up >>> many evenings/weekends to attend meetups. The Python Dojo for example, has >>> limited space and tickets normally go quickly, I wouldn't want to take the >>> place there of someone who would actually be able to take part in the >>> coding challenges. >>> >>> Happy to speak further on this and as always, I'm always open to wider >>> feedback. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> *Jon Gould* / Manager / Web & Digital /*Tel* +44(0)1189520159 / austinfraser.com >>> / Twitter / >>> LinkedIn / >>> >>> >>> ?2015. Austin Fraser Ltd. >>> Terms and Conditions. >>> >>> We are proud to share our achievements and involvement in ? >>> The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2013 >>> >>> The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2014 >>> >>> The Sunday Times Best Small Companies to Work For 2015 >>> >>> The Sunday Times Fast Track 100 >>> >>> Investors in People|GOLD >>> APSCo . >>> >>> Austin Fraser Ltd is registered in England: 05684470. Austin Fraser >>> Limited, One Forbury Square, The Forbury, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 3BB >>> >>> On 22 April 2015 at 13:07, Anand Kumria wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jon, >>>> >>>> On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to >>>> > help with the running of the event. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> >>>> If you feel you don't have the time / energy, why continue to run it? >>>> >>>> What particular need do you feel DJUGL is serving? >>>> >>>> > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters >>>> > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who >>>> > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to >>>> > change the typical perception and become an active member of the >>>> > Django community. >>>> >>>> I've never seen you come to a London Django meetup - that was the one >>>> last night. Nor did I see you at any of the London Django coding >>>> sessions; nor the (recent) Django sprint. >>>> >>>> No one expects you to come to every possible event but *only* going to >>>> the ones that you put on indicates that your perception of the community >>>> is limited. Particularly if you've not been able to over the last 7 >>>> years. >>>> >>>> The "negative impression" is something I've heard many times; a number >>>> of speakers have resented that the fact that their presentation needed >>>> to be "vetted" for recruitment statements and they felt obliged not to >>>> say "we're hiring" in their presentations. >>>> >>>> > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups >>>> > happening this week. >>>> >>>> You wrote me a email complaining about that, but *why* is it a shame? >>>> >>>> I think it is something to celebrate that London has a sufficiently >>>> large Django community to be able to easily support two meetups during >>>> the week. >>>> >>>> I know plenty of people who are going to both; it seems like a win for >>>> the community to have choice. >>>> >>>> Anand >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> python-uk mailing list >>> python-uk at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> @agonzalezro or my blog >> >> Please, don't send me files with extensions: .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, >> .ppt and/or .pptx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From akumria at acm.org Thu Apr 23 18:06:32 2015 From: akumria at acm.org (Anand Kumria) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:06:32 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> Message-ID: <55391888.3000807@acm.org> Hi Alex, [ Note, I've changed the subject since this is specific to DJUGL anymore ] On 22/04/15 15:55, ?lex Gonz?lez wrote: > Hi g(uy|irl)s, > > my 2 cents here. > > As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to > find sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship > offers from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason > that you (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: I didn't mention any specific reason, please don't put words into my mouth. > I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of > relationship: Rubbish. You absolutely care. If the Klu Klux Klan decided to sponsor DJUGL, you'd be OK with that? I hope not. What if the Free Software Foundation offered sponsorship? Each sponsor brings both an agenda and moral baggage. > - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people > around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to > talk to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that > just know Django as a keyword. That is your choice and, no doubt, part of the agenda behind their (Austin Fraser's) sponsorship. > - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner > & beer networking included. > > Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of > event, but it's not the case at all Again, please don't put words into my mouth. I've not complained about the event. I queried it's raison d'?tre . I also query what it means to say you are "part of the community". > You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he > doesn't want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. The thing is, Jon said "I have worked hard over the last 7 years to change the typical perception [of recruiters] and become an active member of the Django community." What does "active member of the Django community" mean? Jon, for example, also notes that he has been involved with DJUGL for 3 years; so in the prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean? Personally I feel that community involvement is a range of activities, the least important of which is organising physical face to face meetings. Why do I say that? The Django community - indeed most communities - existed before there were physical meetings and will continue to exist when Django becomes just another boring technology where there isn't a need to meet others involved in it. Like C, or assembly or COBOL. I'm sure those programmers get together and discuss things, but in-person? I'd be surprised. Eventually both Python and Django will get to that point. > I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was > hiring, Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my > slides in advance. That is good to hear. The reports I've heard are not accurate regarding mentions of hiring then. > And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the > same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and > I try to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested > in this 2 events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for > time restrictions. Both events are not the same and - arguably - even if they were there are different moral imperatives behind them. > Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and > in case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the > community will be the one winning. Community .. it's an easy word to co-opt. But somewhat harder to define. Thanks for listening. Cheers, Anand -- ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnublade at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:14:18 2015 From: gnublade at gmail.com (Andy Kilner) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:14:18 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: <55391888.3000807@acm.org> References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> <55391888.3000807@acm.org> Message-ID: "so in the prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean?" Jon used to come along to the pyssup meetups I used to organise, that was about 7 years ago. He did so for a number of years before other meetups such as DJUGL took off and his eventual rescue when nobody was there to take it on. His participation was always exemplary taking the time to get to know the people there and I guess to really get to understand us - strange breed that we are. He also bought more than his fair share of the rounds. Anand, you know how difficult it is to organise these things (note Jon is more than just a sponsor) - let's give him a break. Cheers Andy On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 at 17:07 Anand Kumria wrote: > Hi Alex, > > [ Note, I've changed the subject since this is specific to DJUGL anymore ] > > On 22/04/15 15:55, ?lex Gonz?lez wrote: > > Hi g(uy|irl)s, > > my 2 cents here. > > As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to find > sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship offers > from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that you > (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: > > > I didn't mention any specific reason, please don't put words into my mouth. > > I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of > relationship: > > > Rubbish. > > You absolutely care. If the Klu Klux Klan decided to sponsor DJUGL, you'd > be OK with that? > > I hope not. What if the Free Software Foundation offered sponsorship? > > Each sponsor brings both an agenda and moral baggage. > > - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people > around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk > to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know > Django as a keyword. > > > That is your choice and, no doubt, part of the agenda behind their (Austin > Fraser's) sponsorship. > > - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner & > beer networking included. > > Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of > event, but it's not the case at all > > > Again, please don't put words into my mouth. I've not complained about the > event. > I queried it's raison d'?tre . I also query what it means to say you are > "part of the community". > > You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he doesn't > want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. > > > The thing is, Jon said "I have worked hard over the last 7 years to change > the typical perception [of recruiters] and become an active member of the > Django community." > > What does "active member of the Django community" mean? Jon, for example, > also notes that he has been involved with DJUGL for 3 years; so in the > prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean? > > Personally I feel that community involvement is a range of activities, the > least important of which is organising physical face to face meetings. > > Why do I say that? > > The Django community - indeed most communities - existed before there were > physical meetings and will continue to exist when Django becomes just > another boring technology where there isn't a need to meet others involved > in it. > > Like C, or assembly or COBOL. I'm sure those programmers get together and > discuss things, but in-person? I'd be surprised. Eventually both Python and > Django will get to that point. > > > I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was > hiring, Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides > in advance. > > > That is good to hear. The reports I've heard are not accurate regarding > mentions of hiring then. > > And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the > same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try > to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2 > events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions. > > > Both events are not the same and - arguably - even if they were there are > different moral imperatives behind them. > > Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and in > case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community will > be the one winning. > > > Community .. it's an easy word to co-opt. But somewhat harder to define. > > Thanks for listening. > > Cheers, > Anand > > -- > ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philtysoe at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 01:13:26 2015 From: philtysoe at gmail.com (Phil Tysoe) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:13:26 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> <55391888.3000807@acm.org> Message-ID: This all feels very unpleasant and beyond the scope of the Python UK mailing list. Speaking personally, I subscribe to this list to keep in touch with what is happening in the Python community in a positive and productive sense. On 23 April 2015 at 18:14, Andy Kilner wrote: > > "so in the prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean?" > > Jon used to come along to the pyssup meetups I used to organise, that was > about 7 years ago. He did so for a number of years before other meetups > such as DJUGL took off and his eventual rescue when nobody was there to > take it on. His participation was always exemplary taking the time to get > to know the people there and I guess to really get to understand us - > strange breed that we are. He also bought more than his fair share of the > rounds. > > Anand, you know how difficult it is to organise these things (note Jon is > more than just a sponsor) - let's give him a break. > > Cheers > Andy > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 at 17:07 Anand Kumria wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> >> [ Note, I've changed the subject since this is specific to DJUGL anymore ] >> >> On 22/04/15 15:55, ?lex Gonz?lez wrote: >> >> Hi g(uy|irl)s, >> >> my 2 cents here. >> >> As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to >> find sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship >> offers from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that >> you (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: >> >> >> I didn't mention any specific reason, please don't put words into my >> mouth. >> >> I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of >> relationship: >> >> >> Rubbish. >> >> You absolutely care. If the Klu Klux Klan decided to sponsor DJUGL, you'd >> be OK with that? >> >> I hope not. What if the Free Software Foundation offered sponsorship? >> >> Each sponsor brings both an agenda and moral baggage. >> >> - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people >> around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk >> to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know >> Django as a keyword. >> >> >> That is your choice and, no doubt, part of the agenda behind their >> (Austin Fraser's) sponsorship. >> >> - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner >> & beer networking included. >> >> Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of >> event, but it's not the case at all >> >> >> Again, please don't put words into my mouth. I've not complained about >> the event. >> I queried it's raison d'?tre . I also query what it means to say you are >> "part of the community". >> >> You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he >> doesn't want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. >> >> >> The thing is, Jon said "I have worked hard over the last 7 years to >> change the typical perception [of recruiters] and become an active member >> of the Django community." >> >> What does "active member of the Django community" mean? Jon, for example, >> also notes that he has been involved with DJUGL for 3 years; so in the >> prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean? >> >> Personally I feel that community involvement is a range of activities, >> the least important of which is organising physical face to face meetings. >> >> Why do I say that? >> >> The Django community - indeed most communities - existed before there >> were physical meetings and will continue to exist when Django becomes just >> another boring technology where there isn't a need to meet others involved >> in it. >> >> Like C, or assembly or COBOL. I'm sure those programmers get together and >> discuss things, but in-person? I'd be surprised. Eventually both Python and >> Django will get to that point. >> >> >> I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was >> hiring, Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides >> in advance. >> >> >> That is good to hear. The reports I've heard are not accurate regarding >> mentions of hiring then. >> >> And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the >> same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try >> to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2 >> events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions. >> >> >> Both events are not the same and - arguably - even if they were there are >> different moral imperatives behind them. >> >> Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and >> in case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community >> will be the one winning. >> >> >> Community .. it's an easy word to co-opt. But somewhat harder to define. >> >> Thanks for listening. >> >> Cheers, >> Anand >> >> -- >> ?Don?t be sad because it?s over. Smile because it happened.? ? Dr. Seuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ntoll at ntoll.org Fri Apr 24 01:15:28 2015 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:15:28 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> <55391888.3000807@acm.org> Message-ID: <55397D10.7080705@ntoll.org> Hi, This thread makes me feel extremely sad. I've written several emails in reply and thrown them all away simply because they made me feel ashamed of how such dismissive attitudes have got under my skin. I am diminished as a result. Anand, Jon, Alex, Andy, *everyone*: you will *always* be made most welcome _without prejudice_ at any event I help to organise. I will welcome you as a friend and celebrate with you the *positive* contributions that you make no matter how small they may appear. That is all. N. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As a complete outsider (I've never met Jon or attended any of his meetings) it sounds like he's at least marginally clued-up on how to interact with open source communities. Somebody doubted this (perhaps because of prior experiences with idiot recruiters, who appear to be legion) and so someone else better-informed provided information to dispel the doubter's ignorance (which I define merely as lack of specific information). On that basis I'm looking forward to meeting Jon and encouraging him to continue to engage, but since none of the principals in the conversation appear to be uncomfortable about it you may prefer to simply not read the rest of the thread. S On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Phil Tysoe wrote: > This all feels very unpleasant and beyond the scope of the Python UK mailing list. Speaking personally, I subscribe to this list to keep in touch with what is happening in the Python community in a positive and productive sense. > > On 23 April 2015 at 18:14, Andy Kilner wrote: > > "so in the prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean?" > > Jon used to come along to the pyssup meetups I used to organise, that was about 7 years ago. He did so for a number of years before other meetups such as DJUGL took off and his eventual rescue when nobody was there to take it on. His participation was always exemplary taking the time to get to know the people there and I guess to really get to understand us - strange breed that we are. He also bought more than his fair share of the rounds. > > Anand, you know how difficult it is to organise these things (note Jon is more than just a sponsor) - let's give him a break. > -- Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com / +1 571 484 6266 / +44 113 320 2335 / @holdenweb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at holdenweb.com Fri Apr 24 01:47:04 2015 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 16:47:04 -0700 Subject: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: <55397D10.7080705@ntoll.org> References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> <55391888.3000807@acm.org> <55397D10.7080705@ntoll.org> Message-ID: +1 to everything but the sadness. People should be free to express their feelings. I haven't seen anybody being aggressive, demeaning or dismissive so I believe this thread is at least maintaining the rules of reasonable discourse. Unanimity is next to impossible. Therefore tolerance such as is shown in your message is necessary to allow us all to get along with our own little lives. S On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:15 PM, "Nicholas H.Tollervey" wrote: > Hi, > > This thread makes me feel extremely sad. I've written several emails in > reply and thrown them all away simply because they made me feel ashamed > of how such dismissive attitudes have got under my skin. I am diminished > as a result. > > Anand, Jon, Alex, Andy, *everyone*: you will *always* be made most > welcome _without prejudice_ at any event I help to organise. I will > welcome you as a friend and celebrate with you the *positive* > contributions that you make no matter how small they may appear. > > That is all. > > N. > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -- Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com / +1 571 484 6266 / +44 113 320 2335 / @holdenweb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ntoll at ntoll.org Fri Apr 24 08:55:46 2015 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:55:46 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK In-Reply-To: References: <55377B80.3000807@ntoll.org> <55378EF8.4080501@acm.org> <55391888.3000807@acm.org> <55397D10.7080705@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <5539E8F2.1010001@ntoll.org> On 24/04/15 00:47, Steve Holden wrote: > +1 to everything but the sadness. People should be free to express their > feelings. As I hope is clear, the sadness is entirely of my own doing (it's how I felt when trying to compose a reply to this thread). I totally agree with you about freedom to express feelings. I was, of course, exercising said freedom in my original reply. ;-) With the very best of wishes, N. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Polling stations will be closed by the time the Dojo finishes, so make your arrangements to vote beforehand! *** If you want to give a lighting talk send us an email at team at ldnpydojo.org.uk I look forward to seeing you all next Thursday! Gautier From mail at timgolden.me.uk Thu Apr 30 13:41:15 2015 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:41:15 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Dojo Thursday 7th May In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554214DB.3010009@timgolden.me.uk> On 30/04/2015 12:35, Gautier HAYOUN wrote: > If you want to give a lighting talk send us an email at team at ldnpydojo.org.uk And if anyone's interested in giving a brief talk on a subject other than lighting, then feel free to send to the same address! :) TJG