From ntoll at ntoll.org  Mon Mar  1 15:47:53 2010
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:47:53 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] London Python Code Dojo this Thursday
Message-ID: <DCDCCA05-50F1-48C7-A482-25E24DACEE29@ntoll.org>

Folks,

Just a quick reminder that the 7th London Python Code Dojo is this Thursday 4th March at 6:30pm. It's at the offices of Fry-IT with the usual free pizza and beer (thanks Fry-IT) followed by lots of adventures in Python. Participants also get a chance to win an O'Reilly book (thanks O'Reilly). Pub at the end.

We?re going to try another small-groups based exercise with a ?show and tell? at the end as we continue to build the world?s greatest adventure game. Problems we might want to tackle include: a command parser, keeping track of game state/score/objects, NPCs/AI, authoring tools, turning it into a MUD (and so the list goes on...)

Full details and sign up here (if only so Fry-IT know how much pizza/beer to order): http://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/7th-london-python-code-dojo

Looking forward to seeing you there,

Nicholas.

From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk  Wed Mar  3 21:20:59 2010
From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 20:20:59 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] CamPUG: April meeting moved to Tue 13th
Message-ID: <460D6AE5-B9D9-4A4B-8EC1-FBFF82274B0D@tibsnjoan.co.uk>

Part of a post to our google group:

After some discussion at the pub after yesterdays meeting, because the April meeting *would* be Tuesday 6th April, and thus the day after Easter Monday, we're going to move it to the following Tuesday instead, i.e., 13th April. This gives a shorter gap before the May meeting, but I think we can put up with that.

So, that's:

* 7.30pm Tuesday 13th April, CodeDojo meeting, at RealVNC
* 7.30pm Tuesday 4th May, talks meeting, at RealVNC

and so on, alternating the two types of meeting.

Tibs

From bld at otfrom.com  Sun Mar  7 16:26:45 2010
From: bld at otfrom.com (Bruce Durling)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:26:45 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
Message-ID: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I know from a number of python dojos that most of you don't use emacs, but I
thought there might be some people lurking out there who might have an
opinion on this.

I'm currently using emacs-starter-kit [1] for my emacs set up having had
.emacs files for .emacs.d directories lovingly handcrafted (or copy and
pasted from emacswiki.org) with thousands of lines (though many of them were
skeleton templates.

While I really like emacs-starter-kit, the python support is poor. It also
seems like there are a number of different ways for python to be supported
in emacs (python-mode.el, python.el, ropemacs).

Does anyone have any configurations or cool emacs python tips that they want
to share? I'd like to look into improving the python support in
emacs-starter-kit and I'd be interested in getting some suggestions.

cheers,
Bruce


1. http://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit
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From mamading at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 00:01:13 2010
From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:01:13 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
In-Reply-To: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57a935971003071501r7e031274se14d781e492b1074@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 March 2010 15:26, Bruce Durling <bld at otfrom.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any configurations or cool emacs python tips that they want
> to share? I'd like to look into improving the python support in
> emacs-starter-kit and I'd be interested in getting some suggestions.
>

I'm interested in hearing about this stuff too.  I maintain my own
fork of the aquamacs-emacs-starter-kit which has diverged considerably
from the original but still has poor python support.

http://github.com/evangineer/aquamacs-emacs-starter-kit

-- 
Regards,
Mamading Ceesay

Twitter: http://twitter.com/evangineer

From john.chandler.lists at googlemail.com  Mon Mar  8 09:19:11 2010
From: john.chandler.lists at googlemail.com (John Chandler)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:19:11 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
In-Reply-To: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B94B2FF.8050206@googlemail.com>

Hi Bruce,

> Does anyone have any configurations or cool emacs python tips that they 
> want to share? I'd like to look into improving the python support in 
> emacs-starter-kit and I'd be interested in getting some suggestions.


I use Aquamacs on the Mac, hence my clumsy fingers at the Dojo, with the 
default Python mode which isn't great. Will check out the 
emacs-starter-kit and see how it works out. Would love to improve the 
Python support for EMACS, as I've been spoilt with WingIDE at work.


John

From kshipras at packtpub.com  Mon Mar  8 12:18:33 2010
From: kshipras at packtpub.com (Kshipra Singh)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:48:33 +0530
Subject: [python-uk] Opportunity to author Python books- Packt Publishing.
Message-ID: <AAFBDB6943164D8BAC3A101222C6BFEE@sonyPC>

Hi All,

I am writing to you for Packt Publishing, the publishers computer related books.

We are planning to extend our catalogue of cookbooks and are currently inviting "Python" fanatics interested in writing a cookbook. So, if you love "Python" and are interested in writing a cookbook, please contact us with your book ideas at author at packtpub.com. Even if you do not have a book idea and are simply interested in authoring a cookbook, we are keen to hear from you. 

More details about the opportunity are available at: http://authors.packtpub.com/content/python-fanatics-invited-write-packt

Thanks
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Author Relationship Manager
Packt Publishing
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Skype: kshiprasingh15
Twitter: http://twitter.com/kshipras
 
Interested in becoming an author? Visit http://authors.packtpub.com for all the information you need about writing for Packt.
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From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Mar  8 15:49:42 2010
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:49:42 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Northants Geek Meet, 11th March (this Thursday) 7:30pm,
 Malt Shovel Pub
Message-ID: <4B950E86.6070001@voidspace.org.uk>

Hello all,

Just a heads up, the Northants Geek Meet is this Thursday evening (March 
11th) at the Malt Shovel pub in Northampton, 7:30pm.

Link to the Malt Shovel pub: http://www.maltshoveltavern.com/

121 Bridge Street
Northampton
NN1 1QF

I've created a @northantsgeeks twitter account for announcements. 
http://twitter.com/northantsgeeks

All the best,

Michael Foord

-- 
http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog

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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Mar  8 15:49:07 2010
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:49:07 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Northants Geek Meet, 11th March (this Thursday) 7:30pm,
 Malt Shovel Pub
Message-ID: <4B950E63.6040005@voidspace.org.uk>

Hello all,

Just a heads up, the Northants Geek Meet is this Thursday evening (March 
11th) at the Malt Shovel pub in Northampton, 7:30pm.

Link to the Malt Shovel pub: http://www.maltshoveltavern.com/

121 Bridge Street
Northampton
NN1 1QF

I've created a @northantsgeeks twitter account for announcements. 
http://twitter.com/northantsgeeks

All the best,

Michael Foord

-- 
http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog

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From renesd at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 17:03:52 2010
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:03:52 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
Message-ID: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com>

Hellos,

Tom Viner and I started chatting about pyweek at the last code dojo,
and then decided to start a pyweek team.  We're wondering if anyone
else from the london python code dojo would like to join our team?

Here's our pyweek entry page:
    http://www.pyweek.org/e/ldnpydojo/

Here's the pyweek web page for those interested in finding out more about it:
    http://www.pyweek.org/


It starts in 19 days, 7 hours, and 57 minutes from... NOW, and goes for a week.

So, if anyone wants to join us, please email me, or email Tom.
Otherwise you can chat to us about it at the next dojo if you want.


cheers,

From tom at viner.tv  Tue Mar  9 18:07:35 2010
From: tom at viner.tv (Tom Viner)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:07:35 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
In-Reply-To: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just to add to what Rene has said, don't be put off if you don't have in
depth experience of pygame already. I only installed it recently and have
been going through some of the online
tutorials<http://www.pygame.org/wiki/tutorials>& previous
pyweek entries <http://pyweek.org/all_games/>. For me it's great to have a
fixed deadline where I have to make time & learn something quickly, before
the challenge begins. Then the actual week of coding, the
idea<http://pyweek.org/s/rules/> being
"Must be challenging and fun" and "Will let a lot of people actually finish
a game".

There's lots of areas to contribute to: coding, testing & reviewing but
also game ideas, story boarding, music & sound effects, art working,
3d modelling(?), scriptwriting etc.

There's no minimum commitment required btw, I mean obviously you'll have to
take most of the week off work, but 5 hours of sleep per night is scheduled
into the plan so don't worry. Seriously though, we don't have a set game
idea or even a game type yet, so if any of the above sounds like fun, let us
know and come create a game in a week!

Tom



On 8 March 2010 16:03, Ren? Dudfield <renesd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hellos,
>
> Tom Viner and I started chatting about pyweek at the last code dojo,
> and then decided to start a pyweek team.  We're wondering if anyone
> else from the london python code dojo would like to join our team?
>
> Here's our pyweek entry page:
>    http://www.pyweek.org/e/ldnpydojo/
>
> Here's the pyweek web page for those interested in finding out more about
> it:
>    http://www.pyweek.org/
>
>
> It starts in 19 days, 7 hours, and 57 minutes from... NOW, and goes for a
> week.
>
> So, if anyone wants to join us, please email me, or email Tom.
> Otherwise you can chat to us about it at the next dojo if you want.
>
>
> cheers,
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 21:21:28 2010
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:21:28 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Gaming at EuroPython
Message-ID: <ff8a32f1003091221o60a02cb4o754bea131d0a62d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All Python Gamers!

Seeing the activity on gaming - dojo, pygame week, etc, I thought that i
should say that:

Richard Jones, http://www.mechanicalcat.net, will be giving a tutorial
Introduction to Python Gaming at EuroPython. As well as being a gamer,
Richard is a core Python developer, and we're hoping that his contribution
will be the start of a good Gaming Track at EP  this year,

So please submit your Gaming talks at http://www.europython.eu/submission/

Thanks!

Oh and Extra Early Bird Rate is still available, as no one has got around to
taking it off yet, it will be changed this week though!

John
--
John Pinner
EuroPython is coming - http://www.europython.eu - 17th-24th July 2010,
Birmingham, UK
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From renesd at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 16:17:36 2010
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:17:36 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Gaming at EuroPython
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f1003091221o60a02cb4o754bea131d0a62d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f1003091221o60a02cb4o754bea131d0a62d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64ddb72c1003120717mc8594a5o2bb92d067fdb5860@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:21 PM, John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All Python Gamers!
>
> Seeing the activity on gaming - dojo, pygame week, etc, I thought that i
> should say that:
>
> Richard Jones, http://www.mechanicalcat.net, will be giving a tutorial
> Introduction to Python Gaming at EuroPython. As well as being a gamer,
> Richard is a core Python developer, and we're hoping that his contribution
> will be the start of a good Gaming Track at EP  this year,
>
> So please submit your Gaming talks at http://www.europython.eu/submission/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Oh and Extra Early Bird Rate is still available, as no one has got around
> to taking it off yet, it will be changed this week though!
>
> John
> --
> John Pinner
> EuroPython is coming - http://www.europython.eu - 17th-24th July 2010,
> Birmingham, UK
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
>

Hello John,

I've put a note about europython up on the pygame website.
http://www.pygame.org/news.html

Should be a good europython!


cheers,
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From stephenemslie at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 15:11:25 2010
From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:11:25 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] March Pyssup
Message-ID: <51f97e531003130611h1c7b4cectb51fe1aa4d705c60@mail.gmail.com>

psst...


Pythonistas

This month's London Pyssup will take place this Wednesday the 17th at
Chandos near Trafalgar Square. It's a Sam Smiths pub again so as not to
clash with revellers of St Guinness day, but in case it gets particularly
busy you will be able to find us downstairs till at least 8pm, after which
we may move around.

As usual, we're on twtvite: http://twtvite.com/ddm6ys and the hashtag is
#pyssup. Here's the pub: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/65/657/

The Pyssup is an informal monthly meetup for anyone interested in Python or
programming in general.

Can of spam or similarly Python related items/clothing will be on display to
identify us if it wasn't already apparent.


See you there

Stephen Emslie and Andy Kilner
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Mon Mar 15 12:26:08 2010
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:26:08 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Announcing the 8th London Python Code Dojo 1st April
	2010
Message-ID: <CEAD2AF7-55A0-4CD0-80DE-0249C5F555F8@ntoll.org>

Folks,

Yes, I realise the significance of the date - but this is no joke (despite being sorely tempted to announce the event as the first London Assembly Dojo)... 

Sign-up here: http://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/8th-london-python-code-dojo

Last time we added game state and in-game objects to our continuing project of creating an old-skool style text adventure game. Several "teams" added extra ?features? such as a chat bot and ?monsters? (!?). The code can be found here:http://github.com/ntoll/code-dojo/tree/master/adventure/week3/.

At the end of the last dojo the group decided to ?bless? only one of the solutions so we avoid another tedious ?refactoring? dojo. I?ll also attempt to use Holger?s branch to merge in ?monsters? and prepare a ready-to-go area in the repos for our next task?

Everyone seemed to like the small group / show-and-tell style so we?ll do the same thing again. Problems we might want to tackle include: a command parser that doesn?t suck (bye-bye CMD), NPCs/AI (monsters), authoring tools (Hello Bruce and John), turning it into a MUD (and so the list goes on?)

Photos from all the dojos so far can be found here: http://divvyshot.com/event/IsJtx/ (a photo sharing site built w/Python)

Free pizza and beer will be provided. (Thanks Fry-IT)

Participants get the chance to win a cool book (thanks O?Reilly ? poor old Josette was ill ? hence the silence about the last dojo).

It'll take place at the usual time in the usual place. Remember to bring a laptop with Python and GIT installed (actually, shouldn't we be using Mercurial..?)

Looking forward to it,

Nicholas.

From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 15 12:44:13 2010
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:44:13 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
In-Reply-To: <b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'd like to be part of the LdnPyDojo team!

Ciar?n

From umarhafeez at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 15 12:57:50 2010
From: umarhafeez at yahoo.com (umar hafeez)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <893579.51150.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Can we get material from the previous dojos..
Apologies in advance if you have a web page somewhere that I should have googled?




________________________________
From: Ciar?n Mooney <general.mooney at googlemail.com>
To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
Sent: Mon, 15 March, 2010 12:44:13
Subject: Re: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?

Hi,

I'd like to be part of the LdnPyDojo team!

Ciar?n
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From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 15 13:37:34 2010
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:37:34 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
In-Reply-To: <893579.51150.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com>
	<893579.51150.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3e4e51a81003150537q70c227afif22d24ce89db5a6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> Can we get material from the previous dojos..

I believe the rules state you are not allowed to use any code that you
have pre-developed unless it has already been published before the
event. ie All teams start off with a blank slate.

http://pyweek.org/s/rules/#entries-are-to-be-written-from-scratch

> Apologies in advance if you have a web page somewhere that I should have
> googled?

pyweek.org

Ciar?n

From xtian at babbageclunk.com  Mon Mar 15 13:55:11 2010
From: xtian at babbageclunk.com (xtian)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:55:11 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a420c071003150555lf8783fbs2fbdfc827ac47c8c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm keen! Please add me to the team!

My pyweek username is xtian.

From alex at moreati.org.uk  Mon Mar 15 16:52:58 2010
From: alex at moreati.org.uk (Alex Willmer)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:52:58 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] EuroPython 2010 - Open for registration and reminder of
	participation
Message-ID: <425e93af1003150852l11cf0f66u8c20c16eef7f29c@mail.gmail.com>

EuroPython 2010 - 17th to 24th July 2010
----------------------------------------
EuroPython is a conference for the Python programming language
community, including the Django, Zope and Plone communities. It is
aimed at everyone in the Python community, of all skill levels, both
users and programmers.

Last year's conference was the largest open source conference in the
UK and one of the largest community organised software conferences in
Europe.

This year EuroPython will be held from the 17th to 24th July in
Birmingham, UK. It will include over 100 talks, tutorials, sprints and
social events.

Registration
------------
Registration is open now at: http://www.europython.eu/registration/

For the best registration rates, book as soon as you can! Extra Early
Bird closes soon, after which normal Early Bird rate will apply until
10th May

Talks, Activities and Events
----------------------------
Do you have something you wish to present at EuroPython? You want to
give a talk, run a tutorial or sprint?
Go to http://www.europython.eu/talks/cfp/ for information and advice!
Go to http://wiki.europython.eu/Sprints to plan a sprint!

Help Us Out
-----------
EuroPython is run by volunteers, like you! We could use a hand, and
any contribution is welcome.
Go to http://wiki.europython.eu/Helping to join us!
Go to http://www.europython.eu/contact/ to contact us directly!

Sponsors
--------
Sponsoring EuroPython is a unique opportunity to affiliate with this
prestigious conference and to reach a large number of Python users
from computing professionals to academics, from entrepreneurs to
motivated and well-educated job seekers.
http://www.europython.eu/sponsors/

Spread the Word
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From xtian at babbageclunk.com  Mon Mar 15 13:59:24 2010
From: xtian at babbageclunk.com (xtian)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:59:24 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] pyweek. london python code dojo pyweek team?
In-Reply-To: <8a420c071003150555lf8783fbs2fbdfc827ac47c8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64ddb72c1003080803w43889944s211dbd64948bd34c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b8f7bb8d1003090907w25a1c00fka014292bd111dea1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3e4e51a81003150444m2945d6d6wb1b45ff8f3535453@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8a420c071003150555lf8783fbs2fbdfc827ac47c8c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:55 PM, xtian <xtian at babbageclunk.com> wrote:
> I'm keen! Please add me to the team!
>
> My pyweek username is xtian.
>

In lieu of a letter of marque, I offer my coveted 'Best Quack' award.

From gnublade at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 16 14:51:11 2010
From: gnublade at googlemail.com (Andy Kilner)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:51:11 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] March Pyssup
In-Reply-To: <51f97e531003130611h1c7b4cectb51fe1aa4d705c60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51f97e531003130611h1c7b4cectb51fe1aa4d705c60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6294ac991003160651u39a5a806y777a662365a78f0c@mail.gmail.com>

Quick reminder all, for those of you not out on the Guiness tomorrow
night, we'll be meeting at the Chandros near Traf Square.  There's
plenty of Python themed events coming up on the calendar so much to
discuss, including the next dojo, pyweek and europython.

The officially unofficial start is 7pm but I might be eager and turn
up early at 6.30 or as soon as I can get there.

Details at: http://twtvite.com/ddm6ys

Hope to see you there,

Andy

On 13 March 2010 14:11, Stephen Emslie <stephenemslie at gmail.com> wrote:
> psst...
>
> Pythonistas
> This month's London Pyssup will take place this Wednesday the 17th at
> Chandos near Trafalgar Square. It's a Sam Smiths pub again so as not to
> clash with revellers of St Guinness day, but in case it gets particularly
> busy you will be able to find us downstairs till at least 8pm, after which
> we may move around.
> As usual, we're on twtvite:?http://twtvite.com/ddm6ys?and the hashtag is
> #pyssup. Here's the pub:?http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/65/657/
> The Pyssup is an informal monthly meetup for anyone interested in Python or
> programming in general.
>
> Can of spam or similarly Python related items/clothing will be on display to
> identify us if it wasn't already apparent.
>
> See you there
> Stephen Emslie and Andy Kilner
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
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>

From menno at freshfoo.com  Wed Mar 17 14:35:34 2010
From: menno at freshfoo.com (Menno Smits)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:35:34 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
In-Reply-To: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100317133534.GA24381@mslin.bats.com>

Hi Bruce,

I use both python-mode.el and ropemacs. The aren't
exclusive. python-mode.el provides (imperfect) syntax highlighting,
Python indentation, pdbtrack and other goodies. ropemacs
gives some powerful refactoring tools.

If you want to look, my Emacs config is at the Mercurial repo here:
http://freshfoo.com/repos/config/trunk/
(look under the emacs/.emacs.d directory)

It's browesable here:
http://freshfoo.com/hg/config/trunk/file/165cdccf341e/emacs

All Python dependencies used by the Emacs config (eg. Pymacs,
ropemacs) are included in the config tree and loaded from
there. There's no need to install extra Python modules.

Let me know if you have any suggestions or more specific
questions. I'm always looking to improve my setup.

Regards,
Menno

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 03:26:45PM +0000, Bruce Durling wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know from a number of python dojos that most of you don't use emacs, but I
> thought there might be some people lurking out there who might have an
> opinion on this.
> 
> I'm currently using emacs-starter-kit [1] for my emacs set up having had
> .emacs files for .emacs.d directories lovingly handcrafted (or copy and
> pasted from emacswiki.org) with thousands of lines (though many of them were
> skeleton templates.
> 
> While I really like emacs-starter-kit, the python support is poor. It also
> seems like there are a number of different ways for python to be supported
> in emacs (python-mode.el, python.el, ropemacs).
> 
> Does anyone have any configurations or cool emacs python tips that they want
> to share? I'd like to look into improving the python support in
> emacs-starter-kit and I'd be interested in getting some suggestions.
> 
> cheers,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 1. http://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit

> _______________________________________________
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> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk


From gnublade at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 17 15:30:01 2010
From: gnublade at googlemail.com (Andy Kilner)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:30:01 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
In-Reply-To: <20100317133534.GA24381@mslin.bats.com>
References: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100317133534.GA24381@mslin.bats.com>
Message-ID: <6294ac991003170730y44f25216nb004fc8880092d33@mail.gmail.com>

You'll both be at the pyssup tonight so you can go and form a little
emacs corner somewhere....  the cellar maybe?

On 17 March 2010 13:35, Menno Smits <menno at freshfoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I use both python-mode.el and ropemacs. The aren't
> exclusive. python-mode.el provides (imperfect) syntax highlighting,
> Python indentation, pdbtrack and other goodies. ropemacs
> gives some powerful refactoring tools.
>
> If you want to look, my Emacs config is at the Mercurial repo here:
> http://freshfoo.com/repos/config/trunk/
> (look under the emacs/.emacs.d directory)
>
> It's browesable here:
> http://freshfoo.com/hg/config/trunk/file/165cdccf341e/emacs
>
> All Python dependencies used by the Emacs config (eg. Pymacs,
> ropemacs) are included in the config tree and loaded from
> there. There's no need to install extra Python modules.
>
> Let me know if you have any suggestions or more specific
> questions. I'm always looking to improve my setup.
>
> Regards,
> Menno
>
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 03:26:45PM +0000, Bruce Durling wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know from a number of python dojos that most of you don't use emacs, but I
>> thought there might be some people lurking out there who might have an
>> opinion on this.
>>
>> I'm currently using emacs-starter-kit [1] for my emacs set up having had
>> .emacs files for .emacs.d directories lovingly handcrafted (or copy and
>> pasted from emacswiki.org) with thousands of lines (though many of them were
>> skeleton templates.
>>
>> While I really like emacs-starter-kit, the python support is poor. It also
>> seems like there are a number of different ways for python to be supported
>> in emacs (python-mode.el, python.el, ropemacs).
>>
>> Does anyone have any configurations or cool emacs python tips that they want
>> to share? I'd like to look into improving the python support in
>> emacs-starter-kit and I'd be interested in getting some suggestions.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> 1. http://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>

From ms at cerenity.org  Wed Mar 17 15:44:14 2010
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:44:14 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
In-Reply-To: <6294ac991003170730y44f25216nb004fc8880092d33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100317133534.GA24381@mslin.bats.com>
	<6294ac991003170730y44f25216nb004fc8880092d33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003171444.14876.ms@cerenity.org>

On Wednesday 17 March 2010 14:30:01 Andy Kilner wrote:
> You'll both be at the pyssup tonight so you can go and form a little
> emacs corner somewhere....  the cellar maybe?

Surely you're not suggesting putting all the emacs users in a deep dark hole 
in the ground, are you ?

;-)

Michael.

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Mar 17 16:30:51 2010
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:30:51 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
In-Reply-To: <201003171444.14876.ms@cerenity.org>
References: <21582cc81003070726i1985221fw4f2764aae01aa493@mail.gmail.com>	<20100317133534.GA24381@mslin.bats.com>	<6294ac991003170730y44f25216nb004fc8880092d33@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003171444.14876.ms@cerenity.org>
Message-ID: <4BA0F5AB.4060901@voidspace.org.uk>

On 17/03/2010 14:44, Michael Sparks wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 March 2010 14:30:01 Andy Kilner wrote:
>    
>> You'll both be at the pyssup tonight so you can go and form a little
>> emacs corner somewhere....  the cellar maybe?
>>      
> Surely you're not suggesting putting all the emacs users in a deep dark hole
> in the ground, are you ?
>    

Now *there's* a good idea.

Michael

> ;-)
>
> Michael.
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From ed.hartley at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 17:07:22 2010
From: ed.hartley at gmail.com (Edward Hartley)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:07:22 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit
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On 17 Mar 2010, at 14:44, Michael Sparks <ms at cerenity.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 March 2010 14:30:01 Andy Kilner wrote:
>> You'll both be at the pyssup tonight so you can go and form a little
>> emacs corner somewhere....  the cellar maybe?
>
> Surely you're not suggesting putting all the emacs users in a deep  
> dark hole
> in the ground, are you ?
>
If he does I may have to join them as I find myself in town today.
:)
> ;-)
>
> Michael.
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From david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 17 19:16:58 2010
From: david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com (David Craddock)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:16:58 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
Message-ID: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>

Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they are
called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.

I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it, does it
work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?

Thanks,
David
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From subscriber at dcuktec.com  Wed Mar 17 19:33:42 2010
From: subscriber at dcuktec.com (subscriber)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:33:42 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
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Well I use it exclusively, it gets things done for me(I do like the unit 
test/Pylint/Coverage integration and it works nicely with Mercurial).

But I am far from a fan of it, personally I think it is only marginally 
better then a 'roll your own IDE' based on vim/emacs. And the only 
reason that I am sticking with it is because I am too lazy to learn any 
other one.

My biggest complaint is that the IDE doesn't feel pythonic, which is no 
surprise since it is full of Java idioms. Still way better than the IDE 
I am probably never going to write.

my ? 1/50
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On 03/17/10 18:16, David Craddock wrote:
> Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they 
> are called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of 
> the Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
>
> I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it, 
> does it work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
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From theology at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 20:32:11 2010
From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
In-Reply-To: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1f5d7041003171232m63299fe1gfc67c1985a99a860@mail.gmail.com>

On 17 March 2010 18:16, David Craddock
<david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they are
> called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
> Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
> I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it, does it
> work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?

I tried it a few times, but found it a bit overkill so went back to
emacs. That however was some years ago now, so I would be interested
to hear how you get on.

From dw at darrenworrall.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 22:30:18 2010
From: dw at darrenworrall.co.uk (Darren Worrall)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:30:18 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
In-Reply-To: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA149EA.3070707@darrenworrall.co.uk>

On 17/03/10 18:16, David Craddock wrote:
> Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they are
> called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
> Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
> 
> I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it, does
> it work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
> 
> Thanks,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

I use it a fair bit - for projects of reasonable size where a good
graphical debugger can be useful. It's big and chunky for sure, and I
_really_ wish it would break on exception by itself, but it does a job
for me, and the chunkiness is only really a problem when it starts. You
can turn it to Java and C very easily as well if you have to, which is a
plus. Given the choice I'd probably use Wing but pydev is pretty damn
good for free.

Django support is a bit lacking but Fabio has said that will be
addressed in the next release.

HTH

Darren

From alex_integra at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 18 13:44:47 2010
From: alex_integra at hotmail.com (Alex Anderson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:44:47 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
In-Reply-To: <b1f5d7041003171232m63299fe1gfc67c1985a99a860@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>,
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> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000
> From: theology at gmail.com
> To: python-uk at python.org
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
> 
> On 17 March 2010 18:16, David Craddock
> <david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they are
> > called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
> > Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
> > I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it, does it
> > work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
> 
> I tried it a few times, but found it a bit overkill so went back to
> emacs. That however was some years ago now, so I would be interested
> to hear how you get on.


I use this combination on a daily basis. I find the syntax highlighting is good, including the spellcheck inside string literals (I'm a clumsy typer with sausage fingers. Spell checking is good) The "undefined identifier" and "unused identifier" highlights in the newer version are good, as well. And the code completion is, so far, the best I've seen for Python.

And I find the pylint integration a bonus for unit testing/test driven development as I can run a suite of unit tests from a single keystroke.

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From aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 12:44:55 2010
From: aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com (Aaron Watkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:44:55 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
In-Reply-To: <SNT140-w51D3ADFB854D84ADA83456E22B0@phx.gbl>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b1f5d7041003171232m63299fe1gfc67c1985a99a860@mail.gmail.com> 
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I also use this on a daily basis and am totally happy with it.

I have to say, for it to be useful, you absolutely need to have PyDev
Extensions installed. This used to be separate (paid-for) product, but is
now rolled into the main PyDev product.

The only complaint I have is that the IDE as a whole is a bit of a memory
hog. I've found this to get much worse since I turned on redirection of the
pylint output directly into the Eclipse console.

Aaron Watkins


On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Alex Anderson <alex_integra at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000
> > From: theology at gmail.com
> > To: python-uk at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
>
> >
> > On 17 March 2010 18:16, David Craddock
> > <david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they
> are
> > > called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
> > > Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
> > > I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it, does
> it
> > > work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
> >
> > I tried it a few times, but found it a bit overkill so went back to
> > emacs. That however was some years ago now, so I would be interested
> > to hear how you get on.
>
>
> I use this combination on a daily basis. I find the syntax highlighting is
> good, including the spellcheck inside string literals (I'm a clumsy typer
> with sausage fingers. Spell checking is good) The "undefined identifier" and
> "unused identifier" highlights in the newer version are good, as well. And
> the code completion is, so far, the best I've seen for Python.
>
> And I find the pylint integration a bonus for unit testing/test driven
> development as I can run a suite of unit tests from a single keystroke.
>
> A
>
>
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From david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 23 22:00:21 2010
From: david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com (David Craddock)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:00:21 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
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References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for all the responses, they were very interesting and helpful.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Aaron Watkins
<aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com>wrote:

> I also use this on a daily basis and am totally happy with it.
>
> I have to say, for it to be useful, you absolutely need to have PyDev
> Extensions installed. This used to be separate (paid-for) product, but is
> now rolled into the main PyDev product.
>
> The only complaint I have is that the IDE as a whole is a bit of a memory
> hog. I've found this to get much worse since I turned on redirection of the
> pylint output directly into the Eclipse console.
>
> Aaron Watkins
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Alex Anderson <alex_integra at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000
>> > From: theology at gmail.com
>> > To: python-uk at python.org
>> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
>>
>> >
>> > On 17 March 2010 18:16, David Craddock
>> > <david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they
>> are
>> > > called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
>> > > Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
>> > > I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it,
>> does it
>> > > work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
>> >
>> > I tried it a few times, but found it a bit overkill so went back to
>> > emacs. That however was some years ago now, so I would be interested
>> > to hear how you get on.
>>
>>
>> I use this combination on a daily basis. I find the syntax highlighting is
>> good, including the spellcheck inside string literals (I'm a clumsy typer
>> with sausage fingers. Spell checking is good) The "undefined identifier" and
>> "unused identifier" highlights in the newer version are good, as well. And
>> the code completion is, so far, the best I've seen for Python.
>>
>> And I find the pylint integration a bonus for unit testing/test driven
>> development as I can run a suite of unit tests from a single keystroke.
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>>
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From walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk  Tue Mar 23 22:33:52 2010
From: walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk (Ed Stafford)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:33:52 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
In-Reply-To: <37093321003231400w66366aeaud0aea5c10a625013@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
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If I can add my two (c|p)ents. From a complete work flow perspective there's
a lot to be said for Eclipse and PyDev. With integrated source control
systems and the Mylyn extensions for Trac, Bugzilla and a number of other
systems it can improve your efficiency quite a bit if you buy into a little
of the Eclipse way of doing things.

For a python editor it can seem rather bloated until you start to see how
you can use a number of the plugins available to you. Ram is cheap these
days and a cross platform, full featured Python IDEs are in short supply.

Don't get me wrong though, Eclipse can sometimes make you want to pull your
hair out. For the most part the little trouble I've had has been well worth
it.

Cheers,
-Ed Stafford

On 23 March 2010 21:00, David Craddock
<david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Thanks for all the responses, they were very interesting and helpful.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Aaron Watkins <aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I also use this on a daily basis and am totally happy with it.
>>
>> I have to say, for it to be useful, you absolutely need to have PyDev
>> Extensions installed. This used to be separate (paid-for) product, but is
>> now rolled into the main PyDev product.
>>
>> The only complaint I have is that the IDE as a whole is a bit of a memory
>> hog. I've found this to get much worse since I turned on redirection of the
>> pylint output directly into the Eclipse console.
>>
>> Aaron Watkins
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Alex Anderson <alex_integra at hotmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000
>>> > From: theology at gmail.com
>>> > To: python-uk at python.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On 17 March 2010 18:16, David Craddock
>>> > <david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> > > Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they
>>> are
>>> > > called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of the
>>> > > Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
>>> > > I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it,
>>> does it
>>> > > work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
>>> >
>>> > I tried it a few times, but found it a bit overkill so went back to
>>> > emacs. That however was some years ago now, so I would be interested
>>> > to hear how you get on.
>>>
>>>
>>> I use this combination on a daily basis. I find the syntax highlighting
>>> is good, including the spellcheck inside string literals (I'm a clumsy typer
>>> with sausage fingers. Spell checking is good) The "undefined identifier" and
>>> "unused identifier" highlights in the newer version are good, as well. And
>>> the code completion is, so far, the best I've seen for Python.
>>>
>>> And I find the pylint integration a bonus for unit testing/test driven
>>> development as I can run a suite of unit tests from a single keystroke.
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
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>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>
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From dave.x.kirby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 12:23:08 2010
From: dave.x.kirby at gmail.com (Dave Kirby)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:23:08 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
In-Reply-To: <616544d41003231433w7addbbeereb711df523f433fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1f5d7041003171232m63299fe1gfc67c1985a99a860@mail.gmail.com>
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	<48e7fafd1003200444r1fbb42e6v7eece4d13c3e0bf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<37093321003231400w66366aeaud0aea5c10a625013@mail.gmail.com>
	<616544d41003231433w7addbbeereb711df523f433fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <596657641003240423i3e1b6911pad1b840e11e90cb0@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have experience of using Eclipse + Pydev with the Eclim
[1] plug that runs Vim inside Eclipse?

I have occasionally been tempted to try Eclipse for the benefits that
Pydev allegedly offer, but Eclipse's lack of a decent (i.e. Vim)
editor has put me off [2].   Can you combine Eclim and Pydev and get
the benefits of Pydev in a real editor?

Dave

[1] www.eclim.org

[2] that and the fact that last time I tried Eclipse it brought my PC
to a grinding halt and forced me to reboot - a common occurrence with
Java bloatware on my system.



On 23 March 2010 21:33, Ed Stafford <walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk> wrote:
> If I can add my two (c|p)ents. From a complete work flow perspective there's
> a lot to be said for Eclipse and PyDev. With integrated source control
> systems and the Mylyn extensions for Trac, Bugzilla and a number of other
> systems it can improve your efficiency quite a bit if you buy into a little
> of the Eclipse way of doing things.
>
> For a python editor it can seem rather bloated until you start to see how
> you can use a number of the plugins available to you. Ram is cheap these
> days and a cross platform, full featured Python IDEs are in short supply.
>
> Don't get me wrong though, Eclipse can sometimes make you want to pull your
> hair out. For the most part the little trouble I've had has been well worth
> it.
>
> Cheers,
> -Ed Stafford
>
> On 23 March 2010 21:00, David Craddock <david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all the responses, they were very interesting and helpful.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Aaron Watkins
>> <aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I also use this on a daily basis and am totally happy with it.
>>> I have to say, for it to be useful, you absolutely need to have PyDev
>>> Extensions installed. This used to be separate (paid-for) product, but is
>>> now rolled into the main PyDev product.
>>> The only complaint I have is that the IDE as a whole is a bit of a memory
>>> hog. I've found this to get much worse since I turned on redirection of the
>>> pylint output directly into the Eclipse console.
>>>
>>> Aaron Watkins
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Alex Anderson
>>> <alex_integra at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000
>>>> > From: theology at gmail.com
>>>> > To: python-uk at python.org
>>>> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Eclipse + Pydev?
>>>> >
>>>> > On 17 March 2010 18:16, David Craddock
>>>> > <david.paul.craddock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > Without wanting to start an editor discussion or, more often as they
>>>> > > are
>>>> > > called, arguments - I would like to find out what people think of
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > Eclipse + Pydev combination for python development.
>>>> > > I'm keen to try this, but how does it work for you? If you use it,
>>>> > > does it
>>>> > > work well for you? Any complaints? Best features of this setup?
>>>> >
>>>> > I tried it a few times, but found it a bit overkill so went back to
>>>> > emacs. That however was some years ago now, so I would be interested
>>>> > to hear how you get on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use this combination on a daily basis. I find the syntax highlighting
>>>> is good, including the spellcheck inside string literals (I'm a clumsy typer
>>>> with sausage fingers. Spell checking is good) The "undefined identifier" and
>>>> "unused identifier" highlights in the newer version are good, as well. And
>>>> the code completion is, so far, the best I've seen for Python.
>>>>
>>>> And I find the pylint integration a bonus for unit testing/test driven
>>>> development as I can run a suite of unit tests from a single keystroke.
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> python-uk mailing list
>>>> python-uk at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> python-uk mailing list
>>> python-uk at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>
>
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From jjl at pobox.com  Wed Mar 24 20:44:47 2010
From: jjl at pobox.com (John J Lee)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:44:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [python-uk] Netbeans (was Re:  Eclipse + Pydev?)
In-Reply-To: <596657641003240423i3e1b6911pad1b840e11e90cb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1f5d7041003171232m63299fe1gfc67c1985a99a860@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT140-w51D3ADFB854D84ADA83456E22B0@phx.gbl>
	<48e7fafd1003200444r1fbb42e6v7eece4d13c3e0bf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<37093321003231400w66366aeaud0aea5c10a625013@mail.gmail.com>
	<616544d41003231433w7addbbeereb711df523f433fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<596657641003240423i3e1b6911pad1b840e11e90cb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1003241926390.3455@alice>

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dave Kirby wrote:

> Does anyone have experience of using Eclipse + Pydev with the Eclim
> [1] plug that runs Vim inside Eclipse?
[...]

No, but another possibility is Netbeans.  A colleague of mine has switched 
from Eclipse -> Netbeans for Python development, and appears to be 
sticking with it after some months.  I think he said there's some useful 
Python refactoring & code browsing support, though like Eclipse it's far 
from perfect.  Netbeans does have free vim emulation support available -- 
this is claimed to have proper vim-ness, not just a thin set of 
keybindings [1].  Last I looked, Eclipse didn't any free support for 
vi-style editing.  Netbeans also has a GPL-compatible license, unlike 
Eclipse.  I don't know any more about it than that, since nothing has 
pushed me away from emacs + viper yet :-)

http://jvi.sourceforge.net/


John


From jjl at pobox.com  Wed Mar 24 20:52:54 2010
From: jjl at pobox.com (John J Lee)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:52:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [python-uk] Netbeans (was Re:  Eclipse + Pydev?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1003241926390.3455@alice>
References: <37093321003171116ud7dea8fva29ca45197268f5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1f5d7041003171232m63299fe1gfc67c1985a99a860@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT140-w51D3ADFB854D84ADA83456E22B0@phx.gbl>
	<48e7fafd1003200444r1fbb42e6v7eece4d13c3e0bf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<37093321003231400w66366aeaud0aea5c10a625013@mail.gmail.com>
	<616544d41003231433w7addbbeereb711df523f433fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<596657641003240423i3e1b6911pad1b840e11e90cb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1003241926390.3455@alice>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1003241951220.3455@alice>

A tutorial with screenshots: "Developing a Python Application Using 
NetBeans":

http://netbeans.org/kb/docs/python/temperature-converter.html


John

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, John J Lee wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dave Kirby wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience of using Eclipse + Pydev with the Eclim
>> [1] plug that runs Vim inside Eclipse?
> [...]
>
> No, but another possibility is Netbeans.  A colleague of mine has switched 
> from Eclipse -> Netbeans for Python development, and appears to be sticking 
> with it after some months.  I think he said there's some useful Python 
> refactoring & code browsing support, though like Eclipse it's far from 
> perfect.  Netbeans does have free vim emulation support available -- this is 
> claimed to have proper vim-ness, not just a thin set of keybindings [1]. 
> Last I looked, Eclipse didn't any free support for vi-style editing. 
> Netbeans also has a GPL-compatible license, unlike Eclipse.  I don't know any 
> more about it than that, since nothing has pushed me away from emacs + viper 
> yet :-)
>
> http://jvi.sourceforge.net/
>
>
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>


From ntoll at ntoll.org  Thu Mar 25 17:28:23 2010
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:28:23 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] A week until next London Python Code Dojo
Message-ID: <F663D9D9-2101-4DB2-9246-D0C1D5185F4A@ntoll.org>

Folks,

Just a quick reminder that the next code dojo is a week away on Thursday (April 1st). 

Sign-up here: http://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/8th-london-python-code-dojo

We'll be continuing with the adventure game problem. Free pizza and beer will be provided (thanks Fry-IT). Participants also get the chance to win a cool book (thanks O?Reilly ? poor old Josette was ill ? hence the silence about the last dojo).

It'll take place at the usual time in the usual place. Remember to bring a laptop with Python and GIT installed (actually, shouldn't we be using Mercurial..?)

Looking forward to it,

Nicholas.

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Mar 29 22:42:33 2010
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:42:33 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Northants Geek Meet, 29th April 7:30pm,
	Malt Shovel Pub Northampton
Message-ID: <4BB110B9.5000900@voidspace.org.uk>

Hello all,

The next exciting Northants Geek Meet is Thursday 29th April at the Malt 
Shovel pub in Northampton, 7:30pm.

Link to the Malt Shovel pub: http://www.maltshoveltavern.com/ 
<http://www.maltshoveltavern.com/>

121 Bridge Street
Northampton
NN1 1QF

Follow @northantsgeeks on twitter for announcements. 
http://twitter.com/northantsgeeks <http://twitter.com/northantsgeeks>

All the best,

Michael Foord

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From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk  Tue Mar 30 20:28:23 2010
From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:28:23 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Reminder: next CamPUG meeting Tue 13th April 2010
Message-ID: <C2A697DD-D862-400E-A3B9-9D91886465F7@tibsnjoan.co.uk>

Just a reminder that  because the first Tuesday of April is immediately after Easter Monday, the next meeting of the Cambridge and East Anglia Python User Group will be:

* Tuesday 13th April, CodeDojo meeting, 7.30pm, at RealVNC

Subsequent meetings will be back to normal:

* 7.30pm Tuesday 4th May, talks meeting, 7.30pm, at RealVNC

Tibs

From mike.maccana at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 22:12:32 2010
From: mike.maccana at gmail.com (Mike MacCana)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:12:32 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] easy_install pip won't work,
	am concerned Ministry of Packaging may 	chase after me.
Message-ID: <73d18a591003301312m4a68885cq32d5ef258fff451f@mail.gmail.com>

Hey UK Pythonistas,

In accordance with the new directives issed at
http://s3.pixane.com/python_comrades.png, I've installed virtualenv and
virtualenv_wrapper, made, and activated a project like so:

# mkvirtualenv imeveryone
# workon imeveryone

However using the easy_install inside the virtualenv to install pip doesn't
seem to be working. But easy_install inside the virtualenv does successfully
install other packages (eg, I tried installing ipython and it was fine).

Am I doing something wrong? I'm not really experienced with the various
Python packaging tools.

[Note the system is Ubuntu 10.04 beta, but I don't think that's the cause of
the prob]

Full output is below.

Thanks for your help, much appreciated,

Mike

(imeveryone)root at mike-desktop:~# easy_install pip
/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
pkg_resources was already imported from
/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py,
but /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
  from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module site
was already imported from
/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site.pyc, but
/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
  from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
Searching for pip
Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/pip/
Reading http://pip.openplans.org
Best match: pip 0.6.3
Downloading
http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pip/pip-0.6.3.tar.gz#md5=0602fa9179cfaa98e41565d4a581d98c
Processing pip-0.6.3.tar.gz
Running pip-0.6.3/setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir
/tmp/easy_install-bgHiZO/pip-0.6.3/egg-dist-tmp-9OS3pv
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install", line 8, in <module>
    load_entry_point('setuptools==0.6c9', 'console_scripts',
'easy_install')()
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 1671, in main

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 1659, in with_ei_usage

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 1675, in <lambda>

  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 152, in setup
    dist.run_commands()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 975, in run_commands
    self.run_command(cmd)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 995, in run_command
    cmd_obj.run()
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 211, in run

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 446, in easy_install

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 476, in install_item

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 655, in install_eggs

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 930, in build_and_install

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
line 919, in run_setup

  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
line 27, in run_setup
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
line 63, in run
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
line 29, in <lambda>
  File "setup.py", line 48, in <module>
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 113, in setup
    _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
line 223, in __init__
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 270, in __init__
    self.finalize_options()
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
line 256, in finalize_options
  File
"/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py",
line 1918, in load
    while parts and parts[-1]=='00000000':
ImportError: <module 'setuptools.dist' from
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From walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk  Tue Mar 30 22:19:09 2010
From: walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk (Ed Stafford)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:19:09 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] easy_install pip won't work,
	am concerned Ministry of 	Packaging may chase after me.
In-Reply-To: <73d18a591003301312m4a68885cq32d5ef258fff451f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73d18a591003301312m4a68885cq32d5ef258fff451f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <616544d41003301319i72d15c08pd6656149981a4923@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

You should really use easy_install to install pip under your main python
site-packages along with virtualenv/virtualenvwrapper and then use PIP after
you mkvirtualenv. PIP is aware of virtual environments so you shouldn't have
any trouble in this regard.

Basically, install PIP in your global (main) site-packages, not your virtual
environment.

Another nice lib to use is yolk, which you can use to spit out what and
where various python packages are installed.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
-Ed

On 30 March 2010 21:12, Mike MacCana <mike.maccana at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey UK Pythonistas,
>
> In accordance with the new directives issed at
> http://s3.pixane.com/python_comrades.png, I've installed virtualenv and
> virtualenv_wrapper, made, and activated a project like so:
>
> # mkvirtualenv imeveryone
> # workon imeveryone
>
> However using the easy_install inside the virtualenv to install pip doesn't
> seem to be working. But easy_install inside the virtualenv does successfully
> install other packages (eg, I tried installing ipython and it was fine).
>
> Am I doing something wrong? I'm not really experienced with the various
> Python packaging tools.
>
> [Note the system is Ubuntu 10.04 beta, but I don't think that's the cause
> of the prob]
>
> Full output is below.
>
> Thanks for your help, much appreciated,
>
> Mike
>
> (imeveryone)root at mike-desktop:~# easy_install pip
> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
> pkg_resources was already imported from
> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py,
> but /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module site
> was already imported from
> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site.pyc, but
> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
> Searching for pip
> Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/pip/
> Reading http://pip.openplans.org
> Best match: pip 0.6.3
> Downloading
> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pip/pip-0.6.3.tar.gz#md5=0602fa9179cfaa98e41565d4a581d98c
> Processing pip-0.6.3.tar.gz
> Running pip-0.6.3/setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir
> /tmp/easy_install-bgHiZO/pip-0.6.3/egg-dist-tmp-9OS3pv
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install", line 8, in
> <module>
>     load_entry_point('setuptools==0.6c9', 'console_scripts',
> 'easy_install')()
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 1671, in main
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 1659, in with_ei_usage
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 1675, in <lambda>
>
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 152, in setup
>     dist.run_commands()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 975, in run_commands
>     self.run_command(cmd)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 995, in run_command
>     cmd_obj.run()
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 211, in run
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 446, in easy_install
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 476, in install_item
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 655, in install_eggs
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 930, in build_and_install
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
> line 919, in run_setup
>
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
> line 27, in run_setup
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
> line 63, in run
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
> line 29, in <lambda>
>   File "setup.py", line 48, in <module>
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 113, in setup
>     _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
> line 223, in __init__
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 270, in __init__
>     self.finalize_options()
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
> line 256, in finalize_options
>   File
> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py",
> line 1918, in load
>     while parts and parts[-1]=='00000000':
> ImportError: <module 'setuptools.dist' from
> '/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py'>
> has no 'check_packages' attribute
>
>
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From mike.maccana at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 22:38:08 2010
From: mike.maccana at gmail.com (Mike MacCana)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:38:08 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] easy_install pip won't work,
	am concerned Ministry of 	Packaging may chase after me.
In-Reply-To: <616544d41003301319i72d15c08pd6656149981a4923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73d18a591003301312m4a68885cq32d5ef258fff451f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<616544d41003301319i72d15c08pd6656149981a4923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73d18a591003301338x154d1c24ga426eea2d5a6810c@mail.gmail.com>

Walter, you are a god amongst men.

It turns out this is a bug in Ubuntu 10.4's virtualenv package. See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-virtualenv/+bug/517390

But your advice has successfully worked around it.

For anyone else wanting a quick method to get pip + virtualenv running on
Ubuntu 10,4, here's what I did to get things working:

1. aptitude install python-virtualenv and python-setuptools packages
2. easy_install pip
3. easy_install virtualenv-wrapper
4. mkvirtualenv <project>
5. pip -E <project> install <python module>

Mike

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Ed Stafford <
walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> You should really use easy_install to install pip under your main python
> site-packages along with virtualenv/virtualenvwrapper and then use PIP after
> you mkvirtualenv. PIP is aware of virtual environments so you shouldn't have
> any trouble in this regard.
>
> Basically, install PIP in your global (main) site-packages, not your
> virtual environment.
>
> Another nice lib to use is yolk, which you can use to spit out what and
> where various python packages are installed.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
> -Ed
>
> On 30 March 2010 21:12, Mike MacCana <mike.maccana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey UK Pythonistas,
>>
>> In accordance with the new directives issed at
>> http://s3.pixane.com/python_comrades.png, I've installed virtualenv and
>> virtualenv_wrapper, made, and activated a project like so:
>>
>> # mkvirtualenv imeveryone
>> # workon imeveryone
>>
>> However using the easy_install inside the virtualenv to install pip
>> doesn't seem to be working. But easy_install inside the virtualenv does
>> successfully install other packages (eg, I tried installing ipython and it
>> was fine).
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong? I'm not really experienced with the various
>> Python packaging tools.
>>
>> [Note the system is Ubuntu 10.04 beta, but I don't think that's the cause
>> of the prob]
>>
>> Full output is below.
>>
>> Thanks for your help, much appreciated,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> (imeveryone)root at mike-desktop:~# easy_install pip
>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
>> pkg_resources was already imported from
>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py,
>> but /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module site
>> was already imported from
>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site.pyc, but
>> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
>> Searching for pip
>> Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/pip/
>> Reading http://pip.openplans.org
>> Best match: pip 0.6.3
>> Downloading
>> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pip/pip-0.6.3.tar.gz#md5=0602fa9179cfaa98e41565d4a581d98c
>> Processing pip-0.6.3.tar.gz
>> Running pip-0.6.3/setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir
>> /tmp/easy_install-bgHiZO/pip-0.6.3/egg-dist-tmp-9OS3pv
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install", line 8, in
>> <module>
>>     load_entry_point('setuptools==0.6c9', 'console_scripts',
>> 'easy_install')()
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 1671, in main
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 1659, in with_ei_usage
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 1675, in <lambda>
>>
>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 152, in setup
>>     dist.run_commands()
>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 975, in run_commands
>>     self.run_command(cmd)
>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 995, in run_command
>>     cmd_obj.run()
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 211, in run
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 446, in easy_install
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 476, in install_item
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 655, in install_eggs
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 930, in build_and_install
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>> line 919, in run_setup
>>
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>> line 27, in run_setup
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>> line 63, in run
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>> line 29, in <lambda>
>>   File "setup.py", line 48, in <module>
>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 113, in setup
>>     _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>> line 223, in __init__
>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 270, in __init__
>>     self.finalize_options()
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>> line 256, in finalize_options
>>   File
>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py",
>> line 1918, in load
>>     while parts and parts[-1]=='00000000':
>> ImportError: <module 'setuptools.dist' from
>> '/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py'>
>> has no 'check_packages' attribute
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>>
>
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From walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk  Tue Mar 30 23:14:50 2010
From: walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk (Ed Stafford)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:14:50 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] easy_install pip won't work,
	am concerned Ministry of 	Packaging may chase after me.
In-Reply-To: <73d18a591003301338x154d1c24ga426eea2d5a6810c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73d18a591003301312m4a68885cq32d5ef258fff451f@mail.gmail.com>
	<616544d41003301319i72d15c08pd6656149981a4923@mail.gmail.com>
	<73d18a591003301338x154d1c24ga426eea2d5a6810c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <616544d41003301414mb6e54f7ldf1199d7ddc123d5@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

Glad it worked for you. Although the Ubuntu team does a fine job of package
management I'm still a bit hesitant to use their python packages. It's easy
enough using vanilla python to get everything you need going. In the future
you can do the following just as easily.

`wget http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py`
`sudo python ez_setup.py`
`sudo easy_install pip virtualenv virtualenvwrapper`

Then continue on your way using virtual environments and pip.

Cheers,
-Ed

On 30 March 2010 21:38, Mike MacCana <mike.maccana at gmail.com> wrote:

> Walter, you are a god amongst men.
>
> It turns out this is a bug in Ubuntu 10.4's virtualenv package. See
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-virtualenv/+bug/517390
>
> But your advice has successfully worked around it.
>
> For anyone else wanting a quick method to get pip + virtualenv running on
> Ubuntu 10,4, here's what I did to get things working:
>
> 1. aptitude install python-virtualenv and python-setuptools packages
> 2. easy_install pip
> 3. easy_install virtualenv-wrapper
> 4. mkvirtualenv <project>
> 5. pip -E <project> install <python module>
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Ed Stafford <
> walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> You should really use easy_install to install pip under your main python
>> site-packages along with virtualenv/virtualenvwrapper and then use PIP after
>> you mkvirtualenv. PIP is aware of virtual environments so you shouldn't have
>> any trouble in this regard.
>>
>> Basically, install PIP in your global (main) site-packages, not your
>> virtual environment.
>>
>> Another nice lib to use is yolk, which you can use to spit out what and
>> where various python packages are installed.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Ed
>>
>> On 30 March 2010 21:12, Mike MacCana <mike.maccana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey UK Pythonistas,
>>>
>>> In accordance with the new directives issed at
>>> http://s3.pixane.com/python_comrades.png, I've installed virtualenv and
>>> virtualenv_wrapper, made, and activated a project like so:
>>>
>>> # mkvirtualenv imeveryone
>>> # workon imeveryone
>>>
>>> However using the easy_install inside the virtualenv to install pip
>>> doesn't seem to be working. But easy_install inside the virtualenv does
>>> successfully install other packages (eg, I tried installing ipython and it
>>> was fine).
>>>
>>> Am I doing something wrong? I'm not really experienced with the various
>>> Python packaging tools.
>>>
>>> [Note the system is Ubuntu 10.04 beta, but I don't think that's the cause
>>> of the prob]
>>>
>>> Full output is below.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help, much appreciated,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> (imeveryone)root at mike-desktop:~# easy_install pip
>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
>>> pkg_resources was already imported from
>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py,
>>> but /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>>>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
>>> site was already imported from
>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site.pyc, but
>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>>>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
>>> Searching for pip
>>> Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/pip/
>>> Reading http://pip.openplans.org
>>> Best match: pip 0.6.3
>>> Downloading
>>> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pip/pip-0.6.3.tar.gz#md5=0602fa9179cfaa98e41565d4a581d98c
>>> Processing pip-0.6.3.tar.gz
>>> Running pip-0.6.3/setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir
>>> /tmp/easy_install-bgHiZO/pip-0.6.3/egg-dist-tmp-9OS3pv
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install", line 8, in
>>> <module>
>>>     load_entry_point('setuptools==0.6c9', 'console_scripts',
>>> 'easy_install')()
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 1671, in main
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 1659, in with_ei_usage
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 1675, in <lambda>
>>>
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 152, in setup
>>>     dist.run_commands()
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 975, in run_commands
>>>     self.run_command(cmd)
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 995, in run_command
>>>     cmd_obj.run()
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 211, in run
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 446, in easy_install
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 476, in install_item
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 655, in install_eggs
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 930, in build_and_install
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>> line 919, in run_setup
>>>
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>>> line 27, in run_setup
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>>> line 63, in run
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>>> line 29, in <lambda>
>>>   File "setup.py", line 48, in <module>
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 113, in setup
>>>     _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>>> line 223, in __init__
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 270, in __init__
>>>     self.finalize_options()
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>>> line 256, in finalize_options
>>>   File
>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py",
>>> line 1918, in load
>>>     while parts and parts[-1]=='00000000':
>>> ImportError: <module 'setuptools.dist' from
>>> '/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py'>
>>> has no 'check_packages' attribute
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From mike.maccana at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 23:39:20 2010
From: mike.maccana at gmail.com (Mike MacCana)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:39:20 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] easy_install pip won't work,
	am concerned Ministry of 	Packaging may chase after me.
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Thanks. I understand what you're saying, but personally I'd like to have
Ubuntu own site-packages, and have everything required for each project
installed via VirtualEnv:

- A large part of a lot of OSs (particularly Linux and OS X) uses python,
and therefore site-packages, and there's been a few cases of apps trashing
site packages that were used by the OS (this isn't Python specific, and
could just as well occur with Ruby gems if you were using puppet).

- I like the Ubuntu security updates and knowing everything outside my own
development environment is taken care of

- My app can still get whatever it wants inside the virtualenv, and I have
the ease of deployment associated with having and independent site-packages.

Cheers (and thanks again for your help),

Mike


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Ed Stafford <
walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Glad it worked for you. Although the Ubuntu team does a fine job of package
> management I'm still a bit hesitant to use their python packages. It's easy
> enough using vanilla python to get everything you need going. In the future
> you can do the following just as easily.
>
> `wget http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py`<http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py%60>
> `sudo python ez_setup.py`
> `sudo easy_install pip virtualenv virtualenvwrapper`
>
> Then continue on your way using virtual environments and pip.
>
> Cheers,
> -Ed
>
>
> On 30 March 2010 21:38, Mike MacCana <mike.maccana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Walter, you are a god amongst men.
>>
>> It turns out this is a bug in Ubuntu 10.4's virtualenv package. See
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-virtualenv/+bug/517390
>>
>> But your advice has successfully worked around it.
>>
>> For anyone else wanting a quick method to get pip + virtualenv running on
>> Ubuntu 10,4, here's what I did to get things working:
>>
>> 1. aptitude install python-virtualenv and python-setuptools packages
>> 2. easy_install pip
>> 3. easy_install virtualenv-wrapper
>> 4. mkvirtualenv <project>
>> 5. pip -E <project> install <python module>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Ed Stafford <
>> walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> You should really use easy_install to install pip under your main python
>>> site-packages along with virtualenv/virtualenvwrapper and then use PIP after
>>> you mkvirtualenv. PIP is aware of virtual environments so you shouldn't have
>>> any trouble in this regard.
>>>
>>> Basically, install PIP in your global (main) site-packages, not your
>>> virtual environment.
>>>
>>> Another nice lib to use is yolk, which you can use to spit out what and
>>> where various python packages are installed.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Ed
>>>
>>> On 30 March 2010 21:12, Mike MacCana <mike.maccana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey UK Pythonistas,
>>>>
>>>> In accordance with the new directives issed at
>>>> http://s3.pixane.com/python_comrades.png, I've installed virtualenv and
>>>> virtualenv_wrapper, made, and activated a project like so:
>>>>
>>>> # mkvirtualenv imeveryone
>>>> # workon imeveryone
>>>>
>>>> However using the easy_install inside the virtualenv to install pip
>>>> doesn't seem to be working. But easy_install inside the virtualenv does
>>>> successfully install other packages (eg, I tried installing ipython and it
>>>> was fine).
>>>>
>>>> Am I doing something wrong? I'm not really experienced with the various
>>>> Python packaging tools.
>>>>
>>>> [Note the system is Ubuntu 10.04 beta, but I don't think that's the
>>>> cause of the prob]
>>>>
>>>> Full output is below.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help, much appreciated,
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> (imeveryone)root at mike-desktop:~# easy_install pip
>>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
>>>> pkg_resources was already imported from
>>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py,
>>>> but /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>>>>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
>>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install:5: UserWarning: Module
>>>> site was already imported from
>>>> /root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site.pyc, but
>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages is being added to sys.path
>>>>   from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
>>>> Searching for pip
>>>> Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/pip/
>>>> Reading http://pip.openplans.org
>>>> Best match: pip 0.6.3
>>>> Downloading
>>>> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pip/pip-0.6.3.tar.gz#md5=0602fa9179cfaa98e41565d4a581d98c
>>>> Processing pip-0.6.3.tar.gz
>>>> Running pip-0.6.3/setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir
>>>> /tmp/easy_install-bgHiZO/pip-0.6.3/egg-dist-tmp-9OS3pv
>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>   File "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/bin/easy_install", line 8, in
>>>> <module>
>>>>     load_entry_point('setuptools==0.6c9', 'console_scripts',
>>>> 'easy_install')()
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 1671, in main
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 1659, in with_ei_usage
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 1675, in <lambda>
>>>>
>>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 152, in setup
>>>>     dist.run_commands()
>>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 975, in run_commands
>>>>     self.run_command(cmd)
>>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 995, in run_command
>>>>     cmd_obj.run()
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 211, in run
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 446, in easy_install
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 476, in install_item
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 655, in install_eggs
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 930, in build_and_install
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py",
>>>> line 919, in run_setup
>>>>
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>>>> line 27, in run_setup
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>>>> line 63, in run
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/sandbox.py",
>>>> line 29, in <lambda>
>>>>   File "setup.py", line 48, in <module>
>>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/core.py", line 113, in setup
>>>>     _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>>>> line 223, in __init__
>>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/dist.py", line 270, in __init__
>>>>     self.finalize_options()
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py",
>>>> line 256, in finalize_options
>>>>   File
>>>> "/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/pkg_resources.py",
>>>> line 1918, in load
>>>>     while parts and parts[-1]=='00000000':
>>>> ImportError: <module 'setuptools.dist' from
>>>> '/root/.virtualenvs/imeveryone/lib/python2.6/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg/setuptools/dist.py'>
>>>> has no 'check_packages' attribute
>>>>
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Wed Mar 31 10:41:39 2010
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:41:39 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] London Python Dojo Tomorrow!
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Folks,

It's the dojo tomorrow!

Sign-up here: http://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/8th-london-python-code-dojo

Free pizza, beer and code. 

It'll take place at the usual time in the usual place. Remember to bring a laptop with Python and GIT installed.

Looking forward to it,

Nicholas.