From SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk Wed Feb 4 04:52:09 2004 From: SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk (SBrunning@trisystems.co.uk) Date: Wed Feb 4 04:54:35 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference 2004 Message-ID: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D01200F1A@intrepid> Andy's wondering about this year's conference... http://www.halfcooked.com/mt/archives/000698.html Cheers, Simon B. simon@brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ --LongSig ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. TriSystems Ltd. cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the senders own. From andy at reportlab.com Wed Feb 4 05:10:19 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed Feb 4 05:10:23 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D01200F1A@intrepid> Message-ID: Thanks. I will do an announcement later this afternoon or tomorrow, as almost all the bios and abstracts are in. The programme is up at http://www.accu.org/conference/prog.html In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, the ACCU prefer to "design" a programme and had very strong views on the kind of event they wanted to "bring Python back into the fold". Specifically it had to be about the language and about programming, not about specific Open Source projects and frameworks, and they wanted a small number of talks by big names rather than a community event. They asked me to be co-organiser of the track with one of their guys, who then faded out somewhat so it became a last minute dash. It's done and it's going to be good (but not cheap). There should be plenty of BOF space and room for extra lightning talks or short talks in the breaks; we will 'call for' those in a week or two. And the preceding Open Source event is going to be AWESOME! - Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: python-uk-bounces@python.org > [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of > SBrunning@trisystems.co.uk > Sent: 04 February 2004 09:52 > To: python-uk@python.org > Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference 2004 > > > Andy's wondering about this year's conference... > > http://www.halfcooked.com/mt/archives/000698.html > > Cheers, > Simon B. > simon@brunningonline.net > http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ > --LongSig > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally > privileged. > It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by > anyone else > is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in > reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. TriSystems Ltd. cannot > accept liability for statements made which are clearly the senders own. > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Wed Feb 4 05:10:30 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Wed Feb 4 05:14:49 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference 2004 In-Reply-To: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D01200F1A@intrepid> Message-ID: There's a UK Conference - who what when where why and how??? Or is this the Oxford thing?? As in ACCU? If so there was a little discussion of it back in September but hasn't been anything since then... > Andy's wondering about this year's conference... > > http://www.halfcooked.com/mt/archives/000698.html > > Cheers, > Simon B. > simon@brunningonline.net > http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ -- Phil "Requirements - what are they I just hack something together that does what I think they want" ;) From mwh at python.net Wed Feb 4 06:50:25 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Wed Feb 4 06:50:50 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement References: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D01200F1A@intrepid> Message-ID: <2mllnjf4hq.fsf@starship.python.net> "Andy Robinson" writes: > Thanks. I will do an announcement later this afternoon > or tomorrow, as almost all the bios and abstracts are in. > > The programme is up at > http://www.accu.org/conference/prog.html > > > In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, the ACCU > prefer to "design" a programme and had very strong views > on the kind of event they wanted to "bring Python back > into the fold". Here was me not being aware that Python was ever IN the fold... what a strange thing to say. > Specifically it had to be about the language and about programming, > not about specific Open Source projects and frameworks, and they > wanted a small number of talks by big names rather than a community > event. Also odd, from POV, but there you go. > They asked me to be co-organiser of the track with one of their > guys, who then faded out somewhat so it became a last minute dash. Argh. > It's done and it's going to be good (but not cheap). It certainly sounds like a contrast to EuroPython, that's for sure... Cheers, mwh -- The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism. -- Paul Tomblin, asr From andy at reportlab.com Wed Feb 4 08:23:31 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (andy@reportlab.com) Date: Wed Feb 4 08:23:33 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference: Oxford, April 16-17 2004 Message-ID: <55590.192.223.140.55.1075901011.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> At long last I am pleased to announce that there will once again be a UK Python event this year. This is being organised as a track within the ACCU (Association of C and C++ Users) conference. It will be held at the Randolph Hotel in centre of Oxford on Frday 16th and Saturday 17th April. The dates were chosen so people could take less time off work or get cheaper flights across Saturday. It follows a 2-day Open Source event with Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt and a host of other interesting speakers. A provisional programme and details are available at https://www.accu.org/conference/prog.html Python stuff is "bottom right". The general theme is "where Python goes next". In keeping with the other ACCU tracks, it is an event about the language and about programming. Speakers provisionally include Eric Raymond, Alex Martelli, Samuele Pedroni, Armin Rigo, Duncan Booth, Chris Withers David Ascher, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Michael Hudson, myself and (to be confirmed) David Ascher. There may be a PyPy sprint concurrent with the event. ---- Tha ACCU event will be unlike any other Python event adn has certainly been organised differently, so let me add a few remarks on how it came about.... Whether we call it a track or "the UK Python conference" is up to the community :-) The ACCU conference I supposed to be a place where professional programmers can take a week out to follow all the latest and greatest developments in languages, methodologies and tools. The Python track aims to follow this theme. I would like to express my gratitude to the ACCU for putting on an event at their own financial risk, with their own professional staff, and which puts Python on an equally serious foooting with C++ and Java in the development world. This is explicitly NOT (1) a budget event (it's actually about GBP 100 per day if you sign up fast) (2) a place to show off specific neat Python apps or projects (3) a democratic, commnunity run event EuroPython fills all those roles perfectly and we don't want to conflict with it. The lack of (3) is more an accident of peoples' schedules than a planned conspiracy. The ACCU does not normally issue calls for papers; the committee recruits from their membership which comprises the top echelons of the C, C++ and Java worlds (e.g. Stroustrup, Coplien, and various ISO working groups which are co-hosted). They assumed I'd do the same, I assumed we were all going to do a call for papers, and in December we cleared up the confusion, panicked, and did it the ACCU way :-) A number of issues were up in the air until last week which prevented an announcement. We will now be publicising it regularly. There will be considerable space for mini-talks in the breaks, for BOFs, a possible PyPy sprint, and for low-cost sponsorship options for open source projects and consulting firms. I'll be posting updates at approximately weekly intervals. Best Regards, Andy Robinson ReportLab (and ACCU Python track chair) From andy at reportlab.com Wed Feb 4 08:24:45 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (andy@reportlab.com) Date: Wed Feb 4 08:24:47 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference: Oxford, April 16-17 2004 Message-ID: <61644.192.223.140.55.1075901085.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> UK Python Conference: Oxford, April 16-17 2004 At long last I am pleased to announce that there will once again be a UK Python event this year. This is being organised as a track within the ACCU (Association of C and C++ Users) conference. It will be held at the Randolph Hotel in centre of Oxford on Frday 16th and Saturday 17th April. The dates were chosen so people could take less time off work or get cheaper flights across Saturday. It follows a 2-day Open Source event with Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt and a host of other interesting speakers. A provisional programme and details are available at https://www.accu.org/conference/prog.html Python stuff is "bottom right". The general theme is "where Python goes next". In keeping with the other ACCU tracks, it is an event about the language and about programming. Speakers provisionally include Eric Raymond, Alex Martelli, Samuele Pedroni, Armin Rigo, Duncan Booth, Chris Withers David Ascher, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Michael Hudson, myself and (to be confirmed) David Ascher. There may be a PyPy sprint concurrent with the event. ---- Tha ACCU event will be unlike any other Python event adn has certainly been organised differently, so let me add a few remarks on how it came about.... Whether we call it a track or "the UK Python conference" is up to the community :-) The ACCU conference I supposed to be a place where professional programmers can take a week out to follow all the latest and greatest developments in languages, methodologies and tools. The Python track aims to follow this theme. I would like to express my gratitude to the ACCU for putting on an event at their own financial risk, with their own professional staff, and which puts Python on an equally serious foooting with C++ and Java in the development world. This is explicitly NOT (1) a budget event (it's actually about GBP 100 per day if you sign up fast) (2) a place to show off specific neat Python apps or projects (3) a democratic, commnunity run event EuroPython fills all those roles perfectly and we don't want to conflict with it. The lack of (3) is more an accident of peoples' schedules than a planned conspiracy. The ACCU does not normally issue calls for papers; the committee recruits from their membership which comprises the top echelons of the C, C++ and Java worlds (e.g. Stroustrup, Coplien, and various ISO working groups which are co-hosted). They assumed I'd do the same, I assumed we were all going to do a call for papers, and in December we cleared up the confusion, panicked, and did it the ACCU way :-) A number of issues were up in the air until last week which prevented an announcement. We will now be publicising it regularly. There will be considerable space for mini-talks in the breaks, for BOFs, a possible PyPy sprint, and for low-cost sponsorship options for open source projects and consulting firms. I'll be posting updates at approximately weekly intervals. Best Regards, Andy Robinson ReportLab (and ACCU Python track chair) From andy at reportlab.com Wed Feb 4 08:28:16 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (andy@reportlab.com) Date: Wed Feb 4 08:28:18 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference: Oxford, April 16-17 2004 In-Reply-To: <55590.192.223.140.55.1075901011.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> References: <55590.192.223.140.55.1075901011.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> Message-ID: <45220.192.223.140.55.1075901296.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> Sorry about the double post - webmail and a dodgy connection... - Andy From andy at reportlab.com Wed Feb 4 15:59:20 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed Feb 4 15:59:27 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <2mllnjf4hq.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: > > In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, the ACCU > > prefer to "design" a programme and had very strong views > > on the kind of event they wanted to "bring Python back > > into the fold". > > Here was me not being aware that Python was ever IN the fold... what a > strange thing to say. It's my wording attempting to sum up a general feeling shared by the ACCU conference-organizing list. I think I worded it a bit better in the announcement. The good news is that all these people regard Python as a full equal to Java and C++ with its own niche, found our crowd very interesting, and even tried very hard to get Guido back as lead speaker. (Sadly he did not dare commit to 4 events this year.) - Andy From drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 05:54:09 2004 From: drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 05:54:14 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205105409.85002.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Andy, What a great job you've done in putting this all together! With regard to an earlier email (Michael Hudson), it might be worthwhile providing an opportunity during Fri/Sat for interested individuals to discuss the way that PyUK 2005 is organised ( - spreading the load and all that). Tim --- Andy Robinson wrote: > > > In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, > the ACCU > > > prefer to "design" a programme and had very > strong views > > > on the kind of event they wanted to "bring > Python back > > > into the fold". > > > > Here was me not being aware that Python was ever > IN the fold... what a > > strange thing to say. > > It's my wording attempting to sum up a general > feeling > shared by the ACCU conference-organizing list. I > think > I worded it a bit better in the announcement. The > good news > is that all these people regard Python as a full > equal to Java > and C++ with its own niche, found our crowd very > interesting, > and even tried very hard to get Guido back as lead > speaker. > (Sadly he did not dare commit to 4 events this > year.) > > - Andy > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From subscribed at red56.co.uk Thu Feb 5 09:22:20 2004 From: subscribed at red56.co.uk (Tim Diggins) Date: Thu Feb 5 09:22:26 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <20040205105409.85002.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Hi Andy and others, as a new-comer, or non-comer, to Python conferences [to date, at least], and a previous lurker on this list, can I ask a few questions - Despite the name of the overall conf. - the Python strand isn't primarily for C developers of python, right? The paper titles look interesting and very python-centric. Coming from a relatively unorthodox computing background, I have no C/C++ ancestry to fall back on, and don't want to shell out hard-earned dosh on something that would turn out to be too incomprehensible. (I mean there's always that risk with any conference, but I don't want to stack the odds exceptionally). Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for assistance whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm scrabbling around for a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool (I'm a UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am dissatisfied by my previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, Illustrator, Powerpoint, and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and was wondering whether anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of python-based prototyping / rapid development frameworks - (like BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I can balance them against the graphical-ease / designer-focus of things like Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that matter). (Ultimately I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at least I know that). Any pointers or comments useful. Hope I haven't gone too widely offtopic, but I'm not sure what's exactly ontopic ! Tim --------------------------- Tim Diggins http://www.red56.co.uk/people/tim > -----Original Message----- > From: python-uk-bounces@python.org > [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tim Couper > Sent: 05 February 2004 10:54 > To: UK Python Users > Subject: RE: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- > pre-announcement > > > Andy, > > What a great job you've done in putting this all > together! With regard to an earlier email (Michael > Hudson), it might be worthwhile providing an > opportunity during Fri/Sat for interested individuals > to discuss the way that PyUK 2005 is organised ( - > spreading the load and all that). > > Tim > > --- Andy Robinson wrote: > > > > In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, > > the ACCU > > > > prefer to "design" a programme and had very > > strong views > > > > on the kind of event they wanted to "bring > > Python back > > > > into the fold". > > > > > > Here was me not being aware that Python was ever > > IN the fold... what a > > > strange thing to say. > > > > It's my wording attempting to sum up a general > > feeling > > shared by the ACCU conference-organizing list. I > > think > > I worded it a bit better in the announcement. The > > good news > > is that all these people regard Python as a full > > equal to Java > > and C++ with its own niche, found our crowd very > > interesting, > > and even tried very hard to get Guido back as lead > > speaker. > > (Sadly he did not dare commit to 4 events this > > year.) > > > > - Andy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today > and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From andy47 at halfcooked.com Thu Feb 5 10:31:44 2004 From: andy47 at halfcooked.com (Andy Todd) Date: Thu Feb 5 10:37:19 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> References: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: <402261E0.5010105@halfcooked.com> Tim Diggins wrote: > Hi Andy and others, > > as a new-comer, or non-comer, to Python conferences [to date, at least], and > a previous lurker on this list, can I ask a few questions - > > Despite the name of the overall conf. - the Python strand isn't primarily > for C developers of python, right? The paper titles look interesting and > very python-centric. Coming from a relatively unorthodox computing > background, I have no C/C++ ancestry to fall back on, and don't want to > shell out hard-earned dosh on something that would turn out to be too > incomprehensible. (I mean there's always that risk with any conference, but > I don't want to stack the odds exceptionally). > > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for assistance > whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area > consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? > > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm scrabbling around for > a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool (I'm a > UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am dissatisfied by my > previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, Illustrator, Powerpoint, > and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and was wondering whether > anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of python-based prototyping / > rapid development frameworks - (like BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I > can balance them against the graphical-ease / designer-focus of things like > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that matter). (Ultimately > I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at least I know that). Any > pointers or comments useful. > > Hope I haven't gone too widely offtopic, but I'm not sure what's exactly > ontopic ! > > > Tim > > --------------------------- > Tim Diggins > http://www.red56.co.uk/people/tim > > Tim, The Python track is designed for Python people, you may also want to check out EuroPython (http://www.europython.org/) which is a bit more community oriented. As for prototyping tools, I'm a member of the PythonCard development team and would be happy to help/chat/point you in the right direction at any time. One of the things we are desperate for is feedback from as wide a variety of users as possible. At the moment most of the people using the package are programmers so your input would be very useful. Take a look at the web site (http://www.pythoncard.org/) and/or sign up to the mailing list (http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pythoncard-users) for a wider audience. Regards, Andy Todd -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/ From duncan at suttree.com Thu Feb 5 11:00:06 2004 From: duncan at suttree.com (duncan gough) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:17:12 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> References: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: <5DD79156-57F4-11D8-8DAF-0003937CE0AA@suttree.com> You might want to take a look at wxPython - the examples included cover most things so you should be able to modify the code to find out whether it can do what you want, but it's probably not as user friendly as PythonCard or Boa. On 5 Feb 2004, at 14:22, Tim Diggins wrote: > Hi Andy and others, > > as a new-comer, or non-comer, to Python conferences [to date, at > least], and > a previous lurker on this list, can I ask a few questions - > > Despite the name of the overall conf. - the Python strand isn't > primarily > for C developers of python, right? The paper titles look interesting > and > very python-centric. Coming from a relatively unorthodox computing > background, I have no C/C++ ancestry to fall back on, and don't want to > shell out hard-earned dosh on something that would turn out to be too > incomprehensible. (I mean there's always that risk with any > conference, but > I don't want to stack the odds exceptionally). > > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for > assistance > whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area > consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? > > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm scrabbling > around for > a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool (I'm a > UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am dissatisfied by my > previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, Illustrator, > Powerpoint, > and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and was wondering > whether > anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of python-based > prototyping / > rapid development frameworks - (like BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) > so I > can balance them against the graphical-ease / designer-focus of things > like > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that matter). > (Ultimately > I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at least I know that). Any > pointers or comments useful. > > Hope I haven't gone too widely offtopic, but I'm not sure what's > exactly > ontopic ! > > > Tim > > --------------------------- > Tim Diggins > http://www.red56.co.uk/people/tim > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: python-uk-bounces@python.org >> [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tim Couper >> Sent: 05 February 2004 10:54 >> To: UK Python Users >> Subject: RE: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- >> pre-announcement >> >> >> Andy, >> >> What a great job you've done in putting this all >> together! With regard to an earlier email (Michael >> Hudson), it might be worthwhile providing an >> opportunity during Fri/Sat for interested individuals >> to discuss the way that PyUK 2005 is organised ( - >> spreading the load and all that). >> >> Tim >> >> --- Andy Robinson wrote: > > > >> In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, >>> the ACCU >>>>> prefer to "design" a programme and had very >>> strong views >>>>> on the kind of event they wanted to "bring >>> Python back >>>>> into the fold". >>>> >>>> Here was me not being aware that Python was ever >>> IN the fold... what a >>>> strange thing to say. >>> >>> It's my wording attempting to sum up a general >>> feeling >>> shared by the ACCU conference-organizing list. I >>> think >>> I worded it a bit better in the announcement. The >>> good news >>> is that all these people regard Python as a full >>> equal to Java >>> and C++ with its own niche, found our crowd very >>> interesting, >>> and even tried very hard to get Guido back as lead >>> speaker. >>> (Sadly he did not dare commit to 4 events this >>> year.) >>> >>> - Andy >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> python-uk mailing list >>> python-uk@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today >> and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From mwh at python.net Thu Feb 5 11:40:31 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:41:00 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement References: <20040205105409.85002.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: <2moesdeayo.fsf@starship.python.net> "Tim Diggins" writes: > Hi Andy and others, > > as a new-comer, or non-comer, to Python conferences [to date, at > least], and a previous lurker on this list, can I ask a few > questions - > > Despite the name of the overall conf. - the Python strand isn't primarily > for C developers of python, right? Corrent. > The paper titles look interesting and very python-centric. Certainly my talk (should I sort out my life enough to actually make it to the con) will not assume any knowledge of C... > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for > assistance whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python > specific-area consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for > that? Well, there's also the general python-list, but no, I think this list is pretty good for that. > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm scrabbling > around for a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool > (I'm a UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am > dissatisfied by my previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, > Illustrator, Powerpoint, and hand-rolling various programmatic > solutions) and was wondering whether anyone had any pointers on > papers or reviews of python-based prototyping / rapid development > frameworks - (like BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I can balance > them against the graphical-ease / designer-focus of things like > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that > matter). (Ultimately I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at > least I know that). Any pointers or comments useful. Well, you could buy a mac and play with PyObjC, but I'm not sure you wanted to hear that :-) Cheers, mwh -- MARVIN: Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the blink again. -- The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Episode 12 From drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 11:13:52 2004 From: drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:45:25 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: <20040205161352.58570.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Tim, Python UK is a great opportunity to meet up with other pythoneers, and get insights into techniques and tricks- both at meetings and off-piste ... It's hosted within the ACCU conference for "win-win" cost reasons, and the relationship with that organisation has been positive and helpful (and ACCU has a wider interest than just C& C++). Tim --- Tim Diggins wrote: > Hi Andy and others, > > as a new-comer, or non-comer, to Python conferences > [to date, at least], and > a previous lurker on this list, can I ask a few > questions - > > Despite the name of the overall conf. - the Python > strand isn't primarily > for C developers of python, right? The paper titles > look interesting and > very python-centric. Coming from a relatively > unorthodox computing > background, I have no C/C++ ancestry to fall back > on, and don't want to > shell out hard-earned dosh on something that would > turn out to be too > incomprehensible. (I mean there's always that risk > with any conference, but > I don't want to stack the odds exceptionally). > > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out > calls for assistance > whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python > specific-area > consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for > that? > > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), > I'm scrabbling around for > a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) > tool (I'm a > UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am > dissatisfied by my > previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, > Illustrator, Powerpoint, > and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and > was wondering whether > anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of > python-based prototyping / > rapid development frameworks - (like > BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I > can balance them against the graphical-ease / > designer-focus of things like > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for > that matter). (Ultimately > I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at > least I know that). Any > pointers or comments useful. > > Hope I haven't gone too widely offtopic, but I'm not > sure what's exactly > ontopic ! > > > Tim > > --------------------------- > Tim Diggins > http://www.red56.co.uk/people/tim > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: python-uk-bounces@python.org > > [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of > Tim Couper > > Sent: 05 February 2004 10:54 > > To: UK Python Users > > Subject: RE: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference > 2004- > > pre-announcement > > > > > > Andy, > > > > What a great job you've done in putting this all > > together! With regard to an earlier email (Michael > > Hudson), it might be worthwhile providing an > > opportunity during Fri/Sat for interested > individuals > > to discuss the way that PyUK 2005 is organised ( - > > spreading the load and all that). > > > > Tim > > > > --- Andy Robinson wrote: > > > > > > In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, > > > the ACCU > > > > > prefer to "design" a programme and had very > > > strong views > > > > > on the kind of event they wanted to "bring > > > Python back > > > > > into the fold". > > > > > > > > Here was me not being aware that Python was > ever > > > IN the fold... what a > > > > strange thing to say. > > > > > > It's my wording attempting to sum up a general > > > feeling > > > shared by the ACCU conference-organizing list. > I > > > think > > > I worded it a bit better in the announcement. > The > > > good news > > > is that all these people regard Python as a full > > > equal to Java > > > and C++ with its own niche, found our crowd very > > > interesting, > > > and even tried very hard to get Guido back as > lead > > > speaker. > > > (Sadly he did not dare commit to 4 events this > > > year.) > > > > > > - Andy > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > python-uk mailing list > > > python-uk@python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up > online today > > and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From andy at reportlab.com Thu Feb 5 13:27:51 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu Feb 5 13:27:56 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: It's a 2-day Python conference, for Python programmers, kindly hosted organised and financed by a larger association devoted to programming in general. Does anyone disagree with calling it the "UK Python Conference 2004"? That would be the best way to market it and it's up to us. ACCU once upon a time stood for "Association of C & C++ Users". It now officially means "Association of C, C++, Java and Python users (as well as other programmers) so the acronym is not expanded any longer. And this is the only UK Python list I know of so fire away. My company is looking for Python programmers too :-) I'll leave the last question to others. - Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: python-uk-bounces@python.org > [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tim Diggins > Sent: 05 February 2004 14:22 > To: 'UK Python Users' > Subject: RE: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement > > > Hi Andy and others, > > as a new-comer, or non-comer, to Python conferences [to date, at > least], and > a previous lurker on this list, can I ask a few questions - > > Despite the name of the overall conf. - the Python strand isn't primarily > for C developers of python, right? The paper titles look interesting and > very python-centric. Coming from a relatively unorthodox computing > background, I have no C/C++ ancestry to fall back on, and don't want to > shell out hard-earned dosh on something that would turn out to be too > incomprehensible. (I mean there's always that risk with any > conference, but > I don't want to stack the odds exceptionally). > > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for assistance > whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area > consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? > > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm scrabbling > around for > a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool (I'm a > UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am dissatisfied by my > previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, Illustrator, Powerpoint, > and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and was wondering whether > anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of python-based prototyping / > rapid development frameworks - (like BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I > can balance them against the graphical-ease / designer-focus of > things like > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that matter). > (Ultimately > I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at least I know that). Any > pointers or comments useful. > > Hope I haven't gone too widely offtopic, but I'm not sure what's exactly > ontopic ! > > > Tim > > --------------------------- > Tim Diggins > http://www.red56.co.uk/people/tim > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: python-uk-bounces@python.org > > [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tim Couper > > Sent: 05 February 2004 10:54 > > To: UK Python Users > > Subject: RE: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- > > pre-announcement > > > > > > Andy, > > > > What a great job you've done in putting this all > > together! With regard to an earlier email (Michael > > Hudson), it might be worthwhile providing an > > opportunity during Fri/Sat for interested individuals > > to discuss the way that PyUK 2005 is organised ( - > > spreading the load and all that). > > > > Tim > > > > --- Andy Robinson wrote: > > > > > In a nutshell: there was not a call for papers, > > > the ACCU > > > > > prefer to "design" a programme and had very > > > strong views > > > > > on the kind of event they wanted to "bring > > > Python back > > > > > into the fold". > > > > > > > > Here was me not being aware that Python was ever > > > IN the fold... what a > > > > strange thing to say. > > > > > > It's my wording attempting to sum up a general > > > feeling > > > shared by the ACCU conference-organizing list. I > > > think > > > I worded it a bit better in the announcement. The > > > good news > > > is that all these people regard Python as a full > > > equal to Java > > > and C++ with its own niche, found our crowd very > > > interesting, > > > and even tried very hard to get Guido back as lead > > > speaker. > > > (Sadly he did not dare commit to 4 events this > > > year.) > > > > > > - Andy > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > python-uk mailing list > > > python-uk@python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today > > and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From alansalmoni at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 16:19:34 2004 From: alansalmoni at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20James=20Salmoni?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:19:38 2004 Subject: [python-uk] RE: User interface prototyping tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205211934.47042.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm scrabbling around for > a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool (I'm a > UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am dissatisfied by my > previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, Illustrator, Powerpoint, > and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and was wondering whether > anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of python-based prototyping / > rapid development frameworks - (like BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I > can balance them against the graphical-ease / designer-focus of things like > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that matter). > (Ultimately > I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at least I know that). Any > pointers or comments useful. Hi Tim, This may seem like a curious answer, but there is a PyGame "extra" called Pyzzle (http://pyzzle.sourceforge.net/). What this does is allow people to write games (using Python, natch) like Myst and Riven. You can incorporate graphics, videos, sounds, have mouse hotspots and so on, but I think it could be an enormously powerful tool for UI design. I recommend downloading the demo game to give it a whirl, then just imagine the graphics of the room replaced with a prototype interface. I haven't looked in detail at the programming side of things, but it seems to be quite straightforward Python stuff, though a RAD designer would make it quite powerful indeed. Of course, UI design is not what it was designed for, but hey, if it works? Alan. ===== Alan James Salmoni SalStat Statistics http://salstat.sunsite.dk ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Feb 6 04:34:53 2004 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri Feb 6 04:31:35 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> References: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: <40235FBD.6020709@simplistix.co.uk> Hi Tim, Tim Diggins wrote: > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for assistance > whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area > consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? I think this is the right list for UK-based people/companies. EuroPython will give you Europe-wide coverage. cheers, Chris From drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 6 05:27:40 2004 From: drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Fri Feb 6 05:27:45 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040206102740.36176.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Andy Robinson wrote: > It's a 2-day Python conference, for Python programmers, > kindly hosted organised and financed by a larger > association devoted to programming in general. > > Does anyone disagree with calling it the "UK Python > Conference 2004"? On the contrary, I'd positively support such a name. >That would be the best way to market it and > it's up to us. Definitely Tim ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From mwh at python.net Fri Feb 6 06:03:00 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:03:22 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- pre-announcement References: <001a01c3ebf3$77006240$1502a8c0@tim8500> <40235FBD.6020709@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <2mekt8eahn.fsf@starship.python.net> Chris Withers writes: > Hi Tim, > > Tim Diggins wrote: > >> Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls for assistance >> whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area >> consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? > > I think this is the right list for UK-based > people/companies. EuroPython will give you Europe-wide coverage. Also, the EuroPython list is very much about the EuroPython *conference* -- if you're casting your net that wide, you should probably aim for the world and use python-list or the Python job board. Cheers, mwh -- Unfortunately, nigh the whole world is now duped into thinking that silly fill-in forms on web pages is the way to do user interfaces. -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp From tim at red56.co.uk Fri Feb 6 09:37:12 2004 From: tim at red56.co.uk (Tim Diggins) Date: Fri Feb 6 09:40:00 2004 Subject: [python-uk] RE: User interface prototyping tools In-Reply-To: <20040205211934.47042.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c3ecbe$b5983b60$2800a8c0@tim8500> Thanks all for the useful/interesting responses. There's an interesting variety of python-based approaches to follow up. I'll post to the list if/when I've found the holy grail... best Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: python-uk-bounces@python.org > [mailto:python-uk-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Alan James Salmoni > Sent: 05 February 2004 21:20 > To: python-uk@python.org > Subject: [python-uk] RE: User interface prototyping tools > > > > Also (while I'm in the flow of asking questions), I'm > scrabbling around for > > a replacement UI simulation-building (prototyping) tool (I'm a > > UI/Interaction designer most of the time and I've am > dissatisfied by my > > previous and current tools (Director, Photoshop, > Illustrator, Powerpoint, > > and hand-rolling various programmatic solutions) and was > wondering whether > > anyone had any pointers on papers or reviews of > python-based prototyping / > > rapid development frameworks - (like > BoaConstructor/Pype/PythonCard) so I > > can balance them against the graphical-ease / > designer-focus of things like > > Flash (or Norpath Studio Elements, or Director for that matter). > > (Ultimately > > I'm looking for a protoyping holy grail, but at least I > know that). Any > > pointers or comments useful. > > Hi Tim, > > This may seem like a curious answer, but there is a PyGame > "extra" called > Pyzzle (http://pyzzle.sourceforge.net/). What this does is > allow people to > write games (using Python, natch) like Myst and Riven. You > can incorporate > graphics, videos, sounds, have mouse hotspots and so on, but > I think it could > be an enormously powerful tool for UI design. I recommend > downloading the > demo game to give it a whirl, then just imagine the graphics > of the room > replaced with a prototype interface. > > I haven't looked in detail at the programming side of things, > but it seems to > be quite straightforward Python stuff, though a RAD designer > would make it > quite powerful indeed. Of course, UI design is not what it > was designed for, > but hey, if it works? > > Alan. > > > ===== > Alan James Salmoni > SalStat Statistics > http://salstat.sunsite.dk > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today > and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From andy at reportlab.com Wed Feb 11 08:23:10 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:23:15 2004 Subject: [python-uk] FW: Tim O'Reilly in London next Thursday Message-ID: FYI - sadly I cannot be there... - Andy Robinson > -----Original Message----- > From: Josette Garcia [mailto:Josette@Oreilly.co.uk] > Sent: 11 February 2004 13:16 > To: Andy Robinson > Subject: RE: Tim O'Reilly in London > > > Hi Andy > Details of Tim's Talk can be found on www.ukcfug.org. > The talk is free but people have to register (security reason) - > REgistration is on > http://www.ukcfug.org/index.cfm?objectid=34A5AE57-0AA2-93EF-B8EE09 > 920B923A51. I found the registration page so difficult to find > that I think quoting the url is better. > > > Resume: > > The Open Source Paradigm Shift > > The computer industry has gone through a sea change in the past > few years. The killer applications of the web era turned out not > to be PC-based software packages like the web browser, but web > hosted applications like google, mapquest and amazon.com. These > applications are built on top of Linux and Apache, yet they are > themselves fiercely proprietary. > > But what would most developers do with their source code? These > massive systems are valuable for their data as much as for their > programs. And by opening up XML web services APIs to that data, > the most innovative of these sites are creating new opportunities > for hackers to "scratch their own itch." One of the greatest > challenges for open source in the next few years is to understand > and adapt to the paradigm shift implicit in network computing, > and to shed the legacy thinking of the desktop era. > > All the best > Josette > From chris at psychofx.com Thu Feb 19 17:12:02 2004 From: chris at psychofx.com (Chris Miles) Date: Thu Feb 19 17:13:58 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup Message-ID: Hi all, Is anyone interested in using meetup.com for Python-UK (or London) meeting organisation? http://python.meetup.com/ I usually vote for a London venue each month, but I think I may be the only one! If others are willing to use it we may be able to have some more regular Python-UK meetups. Having bought myself a Mac for xmas I'd be keen to talk to any others about MacPython and PyObjC, etc. Cheers, Chris. -- Chris Miles http://chrismiles.info/ From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Thu Feb 19 19:23:03 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Thu Feb 19 19:27:47 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hi all, > > Is anyone interested in using meetup.com for Python-UK (or London) > meeting > organisation? > http://python.meetup.com/ > > I usually vote for a London venue each month, but I think I may be the > only > one! > > If others are willing to use it we may be able to have some more regular > Python-UK meetups. > > Having bought myself a Mac for xmas I'd be keen to talk to any others > about > MacPython and PyObjC, etc. > > Cheers, > Chris. I have to be honest London is too far south for my taste...;) I would prefer something further North as London is a long way to travel - not to mention expensive in terms of accomodation... But I am interested in chatting with other Pythoneers out there in the UK... My primary usage is to automate simply tasks. Although we, my company, have used it for a full-blown test system for an UUT, controlling physical IO, etc. with various C based extensions that we wrote. -- Phil "No plan survives contact with the enemy" - Sir Arthur Wellesley (Lord Wellington) From tug at wilson.co.uk Fri Feb 20 04:44:05 2004 From: tug at wilson.co.uk (John Wilson) Date: Fri Feb 20 04:44:13 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52DFCEBD-6389-11D8-ADC5-000A95B9441C@wilson.co.uk> On 20 Feb 2004, at 00:23, Phil Hornby wrote: [snip] > I have to be honest London is too far south for my taste...;) I would > prefer > something further North as London is a long way to travel - not to > mention > expensive in terms of accomodation... > > But I am interested in chatting with other Pythoneers out there in the > UK... Milton Keynes is a possibility ;) > > My primary usage is to automate simply tasks. Although we, my company, > have > used it for a full-blown test system for an UUT, controlling physical > IO, > etc. with various C based extensions that we wrote. > > -- > Phil > > "No plan survives contact with the enemy" > - Sir Arthur Wellesley (Lord Wellington) I always thought that quote was attributed to Helmuth von Moltke (the elder) From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Fri Feb 20 05:19:12 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Fri Feb 20 05:19:18 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup In-Reply-To: <52DFCEBD-6389-11D8-ADC5-000A95B9441C@wilson.co.uk> Message-ID: >> "No plan survives contact with the enemy" >> - Sir Arthur Wellesley (Lord Wellington) > > I always thought that quote was attributed to Helmuth von Moltke (the > elder) You may be right.... But I had always been told it was Wellington... suppose I should just remove the name just in case... Sounds more like an Englishman to me than a Prussian to me though... -- Phil "No plan survives contact with the enemy" From dr.midgley at homefieldsurgery.nhs.uk Fri Feb 20 07:12:41 2004 From: dr.midgley at homefieldsurgery.nhs.uk (Adrian Midgley) Date: Fri Feb 20 07:58:34 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077279160.1983.1662.camel@nereid.homefieldsurgery.nhs.uk> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 10:19, Phil Hornby wrote: > >> "No plan survives contact with the enemy" > > I always thought that quote was attributed to Helmuth von Moltke (the > > elder) I had it down as Clausewitz, but he could well be quoting. Wellington's one I remember was "All great battles are fought at the junction of four map sheets". ob.Python er ... > -- > Dr Adrian Midgley from the office using Open Source > Homefield Surgery because it is better > Exeter UK www.homefieldsurgery.nhs.uk > 01392 214151 www.defoam.net > www.oshca.org > Homefield Surgery Heavitree Exeter 01392 214151 From andy47 at halfcooked.com Fri Feb 20 09:20:52 2004 From: andy47 at halfcooked.com (Andy Todd) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:22:00 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403617C4.20501@halfcooked.com> Chris Miles wrote: > Hi all, > > Is anyone interested in using meetup.com for Python-UK (or London) meeting > organisation? > http://python.meetup.com/ > > I usually vote for a London venue each month, but I think I may be the only > one! > > If others are willing to use it we may be able to have some more regular > Python-UK meetups. > > Having bought myself a Mac for xmas I'd be keen to talk to any others about > MacPython and PyObjC, etc. > > Cheers, > Chris. > Simon Brunning has a page up; http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/python/boozeup.cgi To the best of my knowledge these rarely happen though. Mind you, mention beer and technical talk and Simon will be there. I, of course, won't be far behind. Regards, Andy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/ From SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk Fri Feb 20 09:54:19 2004 From: SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk (SBrunning@trisystems.co.uk) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:57:42 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Meetup Message-ID: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D01200FB2@intrepid> > From: Andy Todd [mailto:andy47@halfcooked.com] > > Simon Brunning has a page up; > > http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/python/boozeup.cgi I'd forgotten about that! > To the best of my knowledge these rarely happen though. Mind you, > mention beer and technical talk and Simon will be there. I, > of course, > won't be far behind. To the best of my knowledge, these have *never* happened. ;-) So, I'd strongly advise that anyone planning to go to one of these should email this list first, to make sure that they won't end up on their own. As Andy suggests, I'd usually be up for it. One other thing: when I set this page up, I requested some venue suggestions (), but didn't get any, so I came up with a list of my own. But it's not to late if you don't like my list: . Cheers, Simon B. simon@brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski From IOWLADKMQBOG at yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 01:16:49 2004 From: IOWLADKMQBOG at yahoo.com (Roger Pena) Date: Tue Feb 24 01:17:49 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Dear Friend Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20040224/e452acb7/attachment.html From chris at simplistix.co.uk Tue Feb 24 14:11:46 2004 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:11:24 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Impromptu London Meet ;-) Message-ID: <403BA1F2.1050302@simplistix.co.uk> Hi there, Steve Alexander and myself were meeting up for a drink and a bit of food on Thursday night and thought dropping a note to a coupleof lists and seeing who else wanted to come along would be the thing to do... We'll be at Chandos, near Trafalgar Square, from about 19:30 to 22:00. Drop us a mail if you fancy turning up to :-) cheers, Chris From SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk Thu Feb 26 04:12:16 2004 From: SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk (SBrunning@trisystems.co.uk) Date: Thu Feb 26 04:14:42 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Impromptu London Meet ;-) Message-ID: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D01200FDD@intrepid> > From: Chris Withers [mailto:chris@simplistix.co.uk] > Steve Alexander and myself were meeting up for a drink and a > bit of food on > Thursday night and thought dropping a note to a coupleof > lists and seeing who > else wanted to come along would be the thing to do... > > We'll be at Chandos, near Trafalgar Square, from about 19:30 to 22:00. > > Drop us a mail if you fancy turning up to :-) See you there! http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/657/ Cheers, Simon B. simon@brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. TriSystems Ltd. cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the senders own. From jorjun at mac.com Thu Feb 26 05:43:29 2004 From: jorjun at mac.com (jorjun morre) Date: Thu Feb 26 05:42:54 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Impromptu London Meet ;-) In-Reply-To: <403BA1F2.1050302@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <9D8D8CE6-6848-11D8-AE43-0003936CD80C@mac.com> I think I would like to come along to a Meet at some point, since I'm about to start a new job in London. But I still have an important decision to make : to rent another place 'dahn sahf' or join the Legions on the Daily Train Ride from my current provincial habitat. I mention this only because it will affect my future drinking habits... On Tuesday, February 24, 2004, at 07:11 pm, Chris Withers wrote: > simplistix.co.uk From zhpht at mtv.com.br Sat Feb 28 07:11:01 2004 From: zhpht at mtv.com.br (Aimee Walters) Date: Sat Feb 28 07:20:22 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Learn how to make BIG PROFITS with tiny little ads on the world's biggest search engine Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20040228/6a4f0555/attachment.html From tim at red56.co.uk Sat Feb 28 09:16:10 2004 From: tim at red56.co.uk (Tim Diggins) Date: Sat Feb 28 09:16:16 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference 2004- banquet?? In-Reply-To: <40235FBD.6020709@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <004c01c3fe05$6ac828e0$3302a8c0@tim8500> Hi - having just signed up for the python days of ACCU (rather wanted to go to the other days, too, some of the workshops look really good - but have to economise somewhere) - was trying to decide whether to go for the "speakers banquet" - is that just for speakers or does everyone tend to go anyway - is it regarded as a "fun thing"? best Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: python-uk-bounces+subscribed=red56.co.uk@python.org > [mailto:python-uk-bounces+subscribed=red56.co.uk@python.org] > On Behalf Of Chris Withers > Sent: 06 February 2004 09:35 > To: UK Python Users > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Re: UK Python Conference 2004- > pre-announcement > > > Hi Tim, > > Tim Diggins wrote: > > > Also, is this list a reasonable one for putting out calls > for assistance > > whether (a) python subcontractors or (b) python specific-area > > consultants/mentors - or is there a better place for that? > > I think this is the right list for UK-based people/companies. > EuroPython will > give you Europe-wide coverage. > > cheers, > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From andy at reportlab.com Sun Feb 29 02:49:41 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Sun Feb 29 02:49:52 2004 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conference 2004- banquet?? In-Reply-To: <004c01c3fe05$6ac828e0$3302a8c0@tim8500> Message-ID: > Hi - > > having just signed up for the python days of ACCU (rather wanted to go to > the other days, too, some of the workshops look really good - but have to > economise somewhere) - was trying to decide whether to go for the > "speakers > banquet" - is that just for speakers or does everyone tend to go > anyway - is > it regarded as a "fun thing"? > Most people go and yes, it's fun! - Andy Robinson