From z.soebhan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 09:14:29 2011
From: z.soebhan at gmail.com (Zaheer Soebhan)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:14:29 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jan-Jaap,


That's a great idea!

What's the prior knowledge people need to have when they want to attend this
meeting?

Good luck!


Gr,
Zaheer

2011/5/31 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
>
> At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
>
> For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> from you where we can improve our setup.
>
> I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
>
> My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
>
> See you soon,
>
> JJ
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
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From pepijndevos at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 10:55:37 2011
From: pepijndevos at gmail.com (Pepijn de Vos)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:55:37 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
	management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C4580B0-5EDF-4F59-82B5-F696CD021709@gmail.com>

Nice idea. I'm looking for a solution to deploy both PHP and Python together. Looking at the website of Puppet, it seems you have to pay for it?

Groeten,
Pepijn de Vos
--
Sent from my iPod Shuffle
http://pepijndevos.nl

On Jun 1, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Zaheer Soebhan wrote:

> Hi Jan-Jaap,
> 
> 
> That's a great idea!
> 
> What's the prior knowledge people need to have when they want to attend this meeting?
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> 
> Gr,
> Zaheer
> 
> 2011/5/31 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>
> Hi,
> 
> During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
> 
> At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
> 
> For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> from you where we can improve our setup.
> 
> I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
> 
> http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
> 
> My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
> 
> See you soon,
> 
> JJ
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
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From joost at cassee.net  Wed Jun  1 11:06:37 2011
From: joost at cassee.net (Joost Cassee)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:06:37 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <2C4580B0-5EDF-4F59-82B5-F696CD021709@gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C4580B0-5EDF-4F59-82B5-F696CD021709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=pz09wLQSt7ARKtaRCRO6wO1UagA@mail.gmail.com>

2011/6/1 Pepijn de Vos <pepijndevos at gmail.com>:
> Nice idea. I'm looking for a solution to deploy both PHP and Python
> together. Looking at the website of Puppet, it seems you have to pay for it?

Nee hoor, ze zijn er wel een "enterprise laag" overheen aan het
leggen, maar het is gewoon open source.

Groeten,
Joost

-- 
Joost Cassee
http://joost.cassee.net

From dwight at dwightgunning.com  Wed Jun  1 12:45:09 2011
From: dwight at dwightgunning.com (Dwight Gunning)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:45:09 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet: Slides available?
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=xbE-BS43-3tFiv02d3+rYpe96Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I'm really interested in how one would put puppet to use for in a
lightweight manner for small-medium complexity execution/production
environment.

Real life examples are always better!

I can't make these dates - will there be some slides?

Cheers,

Dwight
--
Dwight Gunning
Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
+31 (0)6 2363 8344 | Twitter/Skype: dwightgunning
dwight at dwightgunning.com | http://dwightgunning.com



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>
> Hi,
>
> During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
>
> At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
>
> For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> from you where we can improve our setup.
>
> I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
>
> My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
>
> See you soon,
>
> JJ
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:14:29 +0200
> From: Zaheer Soebhan <z.soebhan at gmail.com>
> To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
>        management + buildout + puppet
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Jan-Jaap,
>
>
> That's a great idea!
>
> What's the prior knowledge people need to have when they want to attend
> this
> meeting?
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Gr,
> Zaheer
>
> 2011/5/31 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> > spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> > intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
> >
> > At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> > to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> > the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
> >
> > For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> > from you where we can improve our setup.
> >
> > I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
> >
> > http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
> >
> > My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
> >
> > See you soon,
> >
> > JJ
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Python-nl at python.org
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> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:55:37 +0200
> From: Pepijn de Vos <pepijndevos at gmail.com>
> To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
>        management + buildout + puppet
> Message-ID: <2C4580B0-5EDF-4F59-82B5-F696CD021709 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Nice idea. I'm looking for a solution to deploy both PHP and Python
> together. Looking at the website of Puppet, it seems you have to pay for it?
>
> Groeten,
> Pepijn de Vos
> --
> Sent from my iPod Shuffle
> http://pepijndevos.nl
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Zaheer Soebhan wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan-Jaap,
> >
> >
> > That's a great idea!
> >
> > What's the prior knowledge people need to have when they want to attend
> this meeting?
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
> > Gr,
> > Zaheer
> >
> > 2011/5/31 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>
> > Hi,
> >
> > During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> > spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> > intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
> >
> > At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> > to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> > the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
> >
> > For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> > from you where we can improve our setup.
> >
> > I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
> >
> > http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
> >
> > My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
> >
> > See you soon,
> >
> > JJ
> > _______________________________________________
> > Python-nl mailing list
> > Python-nl at python.org
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> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:06:37 +0200
> From: Joost Cassee <joost at cassee.net>
> To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
>        management + buildout + puppet
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>
> 2011/6/1 Pepijn de Vos <pepijndevos at gmail.com>:
> > Nice idea. I'm looking for a solution to deploy both PHP and Python
> > together. Looking at the website of Puppet, it seems you have to pay for
> it?
>
> Nee hoor, ze zijn er wel een "enterprise laag" overheen aan het
> leggen, maar het is gewoon open source.
>
> Groeten,
> Joost
>
> --
> Joost Cassee
> http://joost.cassee.net
>
>
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From jeroen at dekkers.ch  Thu Jun  2 22:05:07 2011
From: jeroen at dekkers.ch (Jeroen Dekkers)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:05:07 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session:
	release	management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <2C4580B0-5EDF-4F59-82B5-F696CD021709@gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C4580B0-5EDF-4F59-82B5-F696CD021709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871uzcngng.wl%jeroen@dekkers.ch>

Puppet also isn't the only configuration management system, you also
have cfengine, chef, bcfg2 and probably others. I'm using bcfg2
myself, but at the moment only for general system administration, not
for deployment of webapps. I'm quite happy with it, but I haven't used
any of the other systems so I can't compare them. One of the reasons I
choosed bcfg2 is that's written in python (puppet and chef are written
in ruby, cfengine is written in C).

Regards,

Jeroen Dekkers

At Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:55:37 +0200,
Pepijn de Vos wrote:
> 
> Nice idea. I'm looking for a solution to deploy both PHP and Python together. Looking at the website of Puppet, it seems you have to pay for it?
> 
> Groeten,
> Pepijn de Vos
> --
> Sent from my iPod Shuffle
> http://pepijndevos.nl
> 
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Zaheer Soebhan wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jan-Jaap,
> > 
> > 
> > That's a great idea!
> > 
> > What's the prior knowledge people need to have when they want to attend this meeting?
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > 
> > Gr,
> > Zaheer
> > 
> > 2011/5/31 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>
> > Hi,
> > 
> > During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> > spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> > intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
> > 
> > At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> > to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> > the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
> > 
> > For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> > from you where we can improve our setup.
> > 
> > I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
> > 
> > http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
> > 
> > My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
> > 
> > See you soon,
> > 
> > JJ
> > _______________________________________________
> > Python-nl mailing list
> > Python-nl at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Python-nl mailing list
> > Python-nl at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl

From janjaapdriessen at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 21:03:38 2011
From: janjaapdriessen at gmail.com (Jan-Jaap Driessen)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:03:38 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinozjMP1D_thFiijn8=3ZN-PU1Gaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimi6Z07+2cFQype1FO0h=zqm+s=0g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Zaheer Soebhan <z.soebhan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jan-Jaap,
>
> That's a great idea!
> What's the prior knowledge people need to have when they want to attend this
> meeting?
> Good luck!
>
> Gr,
> Zaheer

Hi Zaheer,

No prior knowledge is required. The meeting is geared towards people
who deploy web applications.

Cheers,

Jan-Jaap

From janjaapdriessen at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 21:15:43 2011
From: janjaapdriessen at gmail.com (Jan-Jaap Driessen)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:15:43 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin7uE6P11AO5ivhYR2HvG-yFE35JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen
<janjaapdriessen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> During the last hackathon at my office and at the most recent PUN, I
> spoke to some of you about the way we deploy applications at THA. I
> intend to host a knowledge session on this topic:
>
> At THA we use proper release management, buildout and puppet in order
> to make hosting applications a breeze. I'll present a walkthrough of
> the technologies we use in order to keep things organized.
>
> For me, this session serves as a reality check: I would like to hear
> from you where we can improve our setup.
>
> I put up a doodle and hope you can make it:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/vehdavf9kuymah87
>
> My plan is to start at 13:00 and continue into the evening.
>
> See you soon,
>
> JJ

The doodle die has been cast! We'll meet on Thursday, June 16. Feel
free to come to my office (Proveniersstraat 43b, Rotterdam, north exit
central station) between 12:30 and 13:00.

I'll prepare coffee and slides. Depending on your attention span, we
can continue into the night and go for dinner.

Cheers,

JJ

From janjaapdriessen at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 21:00:30 2011
From: janjaapdriessen at gmail.com (Jan-Jaap Driessen)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:00:30 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin7uE6P11AO5ivhYR2HvG-yFE35JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTin7uE6P11AO5ivhYR2HvG-yFE35JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikNAEtg5FKPDsOW_Eh39ysd4KJ2Hw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen
<janjaapdriessen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> The doodle die has been cast! We'll meet on Thursday, June 16. Feel
> free to come to my office (Proveniersstraat 43b, Rotterdam, north exit
> central station) between 12:30 and 13:00.

I'd really like to start at 13:00; if you are late, you're buying the
first round of beers!

Cheers,

JJ

From z.soebhan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 08:39:18 2011
From: z.soebhan at gmail.com (Zaheer Soebhan)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:39:18 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikNAEtg5FKPDsOW_Eh39ysd4KJ2Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTin7uE6P11AO5ivhYR2HvG-yFE35JQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikNAEtg5FKPDsOW_Eh39ysd4KJ2Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikw7RfetSc8Jct8=i=s_y3FDPQvRw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, can't make it. Forgot to check out.

Have fun!

Gr,
Zaheer

2011/6/14 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>

> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen
> <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > The doodle die has been cast! We'll meet on Thursday, June 16. Feel
> > free to come to my office (Proveniersstraat 43b, Rotterdam, north exit
> > central station) between 12:30 and 13:00.
>
> I'd really like to start at 13:00; if you are late, you're buying the
> first round of beers!
>
> Cheers,
>
> JJ
> _______________________________________________
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From pepijndevos at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 09:59:37 2011
From: pepijndevos at gmail.com (Pepijn de Vos)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:59:37 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
	management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikw7RfetSc8Jct8=i=s_y3FDPQvRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTin7uE6P11AO5ivhYR2HvG-yFE35JQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikNAEtg5FKPDsOW_Eh39ysd4KJ2Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikw7RfetSc8Jct8=i=s_y3FDPQvRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14FF919F-878B-40F1-BCB0-9381E9F2E2E8@gmail.com>

I can?t make it either. Well, technically I can, but that?d mean 4 hours of travel for one or two hours hacking.

Groeten,
Pepijn de Vos
--
Sent from my iPod Shuffle
http://pepijndevos.nl

On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Zaheer Soebhan wrote:

> Sorry, can't make it. Forgot to check out.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Gr,
> Zaheer
> 
> 2011/6/14 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen
> <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > The doodle die has been cast! We'll meet on Thursday, June 16. Feel
> > free to come to my office (Proveniersstraat 43b, Rotterdam, north exit
> > central station) between 12:30 and 13:00.
> 
> I'd really like to start at 13:00; if you are late, you're buying the
> first round of beers!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> JJ
> _______________________________________________
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From gewoonanthony at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 10:06:33 2011
From: gewoonanthony at gmail.com (Gewoonanthony gewoonanthony)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:06:33 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <14FF919F-878B-40F1-BCB0-9381E9F2E2E8@gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimgn-43hTo-p1OB1uRFY0iKXeYZpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTin7uE6P11AO5ivhYR2HvG-yFE35JQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikNAEtg5FKPDsOW_Eh39ysd4KJ2Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikw7RfetSc8Jct8=i=s_y3FDPQvRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14FF919F-878B-40F1-BCB0-9381E9F2E2E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim_bp6co27=zdc_mhs9HYsbM5byZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Welleens gedacht aan online samenwerken?

2011/6/15 Pepijn de Vos <pepijndevos at gmail.com>

> I can?t make it either. Well, technically I can, but that?d mean 4 hours of
> travel for one or two hours hacking.
>
> Groeten,
> Pepijn de Vos
> --
> Sent from my iPod Shuffle
> http://pepijndevos.nl
>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Zaheer Soebhan wrote:
>
> Sorry, can't make it. Forgot to check out.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Gr,
> Zaheer
>
> 2011/6/14 Jan-Jaap Driessen <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com>
>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen
>> <janjaapdriessen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> > The doodle die has been cast! We'll meet on Thursday, June 16. Feel
>> > free to come to my office (Proveniersstraat 43b, Rotterdam, north exit
>> > central station) between 12:30 and 13:00.
>>
>> I'd really like to start at 13:00; if you are late, you're buying the
>> first round of beers!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> JJ
>> _______________________________________________
>> Python-nl mailing list
>> Python-nl at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>
>
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From peter at bubblefoundry.com  Wed Jun 15 12:21:14 2011
From: peter at bubblefoundry.com (Peter Robinett)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:21:14 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
	management + buildout + puppet
Message-ID: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>

I'm still planning on coming... Do we have enough people?

Peter Robinett
+31 645157473
+1 6506819197
bubblefoundry.com


From remco at maykinmedia.nl  Wed Jun 15 13:12:19 2011
From: remco at maykinmedia.nl (Remco Wendt)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:12:19 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>
References: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik1d9vDOFecX-vSgEkF1RSsunhUwQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:21, Peter Robinett <peter at bubblefoundry.com>wrote:

> I'm still planning on coming... Do we have enough people?
>

I'm coming as well, bringing one of our employees with me. Have a meeting in
the morning, so I'll try hard to be on time.

Remco
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From janjaapdriessen at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 13:55:45 2011
From: janjaapdriessen at gmail.com (Jan-Jaap Driessen)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:55:45 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>
References: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinFkudL-5kRxUbaBjDQ4NnSY2H=+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Peter Robinett
<peter at bubblefoundry.com> wrote:
> I'm still planning on coming... Do we have enough people?
>
> Peter Robinett

We have enough people.

See you tomorrow,

Jan-Jaap

From roland at micite.net  Wed Jun 15 20:56:37 2011
From: roland at micite.net (Roland van Laar)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:56:37 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Next PUN
Message-ID: <4DF90065.1000001@micite.net>

Hallo,

Deze zomer wordt er weer een open community camp[0] georganiseerd.
Het OCC is in oegstgeest van zondag-middag 17 juli tot zondag-middag 24 
juli.

Er zijn drie mogelijke data voor de PUN.

Mijn voorstel is om de PUN zaterdag middag de 23e te houden.
Er na is er namelijk een BBQ.

De andere opties zijn 's avonds dinsdag de 19e en 's avond woensdag de 20e.
Om de voorkeur te peilen is er een Doodle aangemaakt:
http://www.doodle.com/wepcnds5uzv2x5et

Groeten,

Roland van Laar

[0]http://opencommunitycamp.org/site/


From roland at micite.net  Thu Jun 16 08:06:52 2011
From: roland at micite.net (Roland van Laar)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:06:52 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinFkudL-5kRxUbaBjDQ4NnSY2H=+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>
	<BANLkTinFkudL-5kRxUbaBjDQ4NnSY2H=+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DF99D7C.8000001@micite.net>

On 06/15/2011 01:55 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Peter Robinett
> <peter at bubblefoundry.com>  wrote:
>> I'm still planning on coming... Do we have enough people?
>>
>> Peter Robinett
> We have enough people.

Is there place for one more?
I'd like to come.

Roland van Laar
> See you tomorrow,
>
> Jan-Jaap


From janjaapdriessen at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 08:43:19 2011
From: janjaapdriessen at gmail.com (Jan-Jaap Driessen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:43:19 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <4DF99D7C.8000001@micite.net>
References: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>
	<BANLkTinFkudL-5kRxUbaBjDQ4NnSY2H=+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DF99D7C.8000001@micite.net>
Message-ID: <4248009093014423956@unknownmsgid>

No problem.

On Jun 16, 2011, at 8:17, Roland van Laar <roland at micite.net> wrote:

> On 06/15/2011 01:55 PM, Jan-Jaap Driessen wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Peter Robinett
>> <peter at bubblefoundry.com>  wrote:
>>> I'm still planning on coming... Do we have enough people?
>>>
>>> Peter Robinett
>> We have enough people.
>
> Is there place for one more?
> I'd like to come.
>
> Roland van Laar
>> See you tomorrow,
>>
>> Jan-Jaap
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Python-nl at python.org
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From marcelvandenelst at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 11:43:22 2011
From: marcelvandenelst at gmail.com (Marcel van den Elst)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:43:22 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] deployment knowledge sharing session: release
 management + buildout + puppet
In-Reply-To: <4248009093014423956@unknownmsgid>
References: <C7AEDAA3-3795-486E-9363-43104A75B12D@bubblefoundry.com>	<BANLkTinFkudL-5kRxUbaBjDQ4NnSY2H=+Q@mail.gmail.com>	<4DF99D7C.8000001@micite.net>
	<4248009093014423956@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <4DF9D03A.8040201@gmail.com>

Sorry for the late notice, stuff came up, I regret not being able to 
join this afternoon - Marcel van den Elst
>> Is there place for one more?
>> I'd like to come.
>>
>> Roland van Laar

From nheyning at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 12:16:58 2011
From: nheyning at gmail.com (Nicolaas Heyning)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:16:58 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Next PUN
In-Reply-To: <4DF90065.1000001@micite.net>
References: <4DF90065.1000001@micite.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikgU4dFNFw19v5=hF2ergc=riXv6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hoi!

Ik ben nieuw in de python community maar het lijkt me erg leuk om iedereen
te leren kennen.
Ben zelf verantwoordlijk voor de ontwikkeling van www.l1nda.nl, geschreven
in Django.

Ik hoor graag van jullie.

Groeten,
Nicolaas

2011/6/15 Roland van Laar <roland at micite.net>

> Hallo,
>
> Deze zomer wordt er weer een open community camp[0] georganiseerd.
> Het OCC is in oegstgeest van zondag-middag 17 juli tot zondag-middag 24
> juli.
>
> Er zijn drie mogelijke data voor de PUN.
>
> Mijn voorstel is om de PUN zaterdag middag de 23e te houden.
> Er na is er namelijk een BBQ.
>
> De andere opties zijn 's avonds dinsdag de 19e en 's avond woensdag de 20e.
> Om de voorkeur te peilen is er een Doodle aangemaakt:
> http://www.doodle.com/wepcnds5uzv2x5et
>
> Groeten,
>
> Roland van Laar
>
> [0]http://opencommunitycamp.org/site/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
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From roland at micite.net  Fri Jun 24 22:25:33 2011
From: roland at micite.net (Roland van Laar)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:25:33 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Next PUN
Message-ID: <4E04F2BD.8030307@micite.net>

Hallo,

De volgende PUN is dinsdag 19 Juli in Oegstgeest tijdens het open 
community camp [0]
Meld je aan op de PUN wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PUN/OCC0711.

Tot dan,

Roland van Laar

[0]http://opencommunitycamp.org/site/

From ik at gerardjp.com  Mon Jun 27 08:46:59 2011
From: ik at gerardjp.com (Gerard @ Gmail)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:46:59 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Apache deployment refactored
Message-ID: <4E082763.3030504@gerardjp.com>

Hi All,

In succession to the deployment meet some of you had in Rotterdam. Some 
recent work of mine:

http://www.gerardjp.com/2011/06/25/refactoring-apache-vhosts/

Regards,

Gerard.

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 05:18:09 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:18:09 -0500
Subject: [python-nl] Python User Group International Survey
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=DTyPaywa=_Tx_0o=b18q63v=v5Q@mail.gmail.com>

The PSF is happy to launch today an international survey of Python user
group organizers to help it better serve the large and ever-expanding
international Python user community.

The survey contains questions on user group organization, events,
demographics, and growth. There are some questions with numerical
answers, and while your best guess is fine, you may find it helpful to
gather some statistics on your user group membership before starting
the survey (example statistics include the number of active members
and the size and topics for recent user group events).

We expect this survey to take around 30 minutes to complete. We
appreciate your time and honesty in answering these questions.

The PSF blog post announcing the survey:
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2011/06/tell-us-about-your-user-group.html

The survey was written by Jessica McKellar (http://jesstess.com),
organizer for the Boston Python Meetup
(http://meetup.bostonpython.com), and Jesse Noller
(http://jessenoller.com/), PSF board member and PyCon chair with input
and feedback from survey specialists and others.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BWLG8SZ

The survey was pretested with a handful of user group organizers, and
their answers were phenomenal. Organizers have tons to say about these
topics, and we hope to get a lot of great, actionable data for
strengthening the relationship between the PSF and Python user groups
out of this effort.

Outreach, education, diversity and community building are critical for
Python as a community, and the Foundation - this data should greatly
assist in our targeting our resources and furthering the mission of
the Foundation in all ways.

Thank you

The Python Software Foundation
Jessica McKellar
Jesse Noller
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 05:19:14 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:19:14 -0500
Subject: [python-nl] Python User Group International Survey
Message-ID: <BANLkTikv5fM7OcEcVXYwU67+LA0u_GjNCg@mail.gmail.com>

The PSF is happy to launch today an international survey of Python user
group organizers to help it better serve the large and ever-expanding
international Python user community.

The survey contains questions on user group organization, events,
demographics, and growth. There are some questions with numerical
answers, and while your best guess is fine, you may find it helpful to
gather some statistics on your user group membership before starting
the survey (example statistics include the number of active members
and the size and topics for recent user group events).

We expect this survey to take around 30 minutes to complete. We
appreciate your time and honesty in answering these questions.

The PSF blog post announcing the survey:
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2011/06/tell-us-about-your-user-group.html

The survey was written by Jessica McKellar (http://jesstess.com),
organizer for the Boston Python Meetup
(http://meetup.bostonpython.com), and Jesse Noller
(http://jessenoller.com/), PSF board member and PyCon chair with input
and feedback from survey specialists and others.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BWLG8SZ

The survey was pretested with a handful of user group organizers, and
their answers were phenomenal. Organizers have tons to say about these
topics, and we hope to get a lot of great, actionable data for
strengthening the relationship between the PSF and Python user groups
out of this effort.

Outreach, education, diversity and community building are critical for
Python as a community, and the Foundation - this data should greatly
assist in our targeting our resources and furthering the mission of
the Foundation in all ways.

Thank you

The Python Software Foundation
Jessica McKellar
Jesse Noller
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From remco at maykinmedia.nl  Wed Jun 29 12:56:46 2011
From: remco at maykinmedia.nl (Remco Wendt)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:56:46 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Python User Group International Survey
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikv5fM7OcEcVXYwU67+LA0u_GjNCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikv5fM7OcEcVXYwU67+LA0u_GjNCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimsYh4gCdVT97r8DdF4QQv7uRdpBg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Brian,

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 05:19, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:

> The PSF is happy to launch today an international survey of Python user
> group organizers to help it better serve the large and ever-expanding
> international Python user community.
>

Thanks for doing this! It is great seeing that the PSF is very willing to
connect with the local communities. I just filled in the survey with our
experiences in organizing the local Python and Django meetups and of course
DjangoCon Europe 2011.

Cheers,
Remco
-- 
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From vm at klankschap.nl  Wed Jun 29 16:01:38 2011
From: vm at klankschap.nl (Floris van Manen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:01:38 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
Message-ID: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>

For those of you who know everything about the basic python syntax & semantics ...
I get stuck in a simple context issue (i think)


this version works, it return the stored float value

def rewrite( d ):
    for key in d:
        for k in d[key]['next']:
            c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
            d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = c
    return d



this doesn't
if i call the function it will return a (random?) identical value for all stored lambda functions.

def rewrite( d ):
    for key in d:
        for k in d[key]['next']:
            c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
            d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = lambda : c
    return d


There is most likely a reason to it.
Can someone explain me what that reason is ?

Thanks!
.Floris



From tikitu at buzzcapture.com  Wed Jun 29 16:28:54 2011
From: tikitu at buzzcapture.com (Tikitu de Jager -- Buzzcapture)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:28:54 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
Message-ID: <4E0B36A6.2090706@buzzcapture.com>

There's a good StackOverflow answer on this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2295290/what-do-lambda-function-closures-capture-in-python

The question is actually by my boss, but that's something of a 
coincidence: I found it with google then remembered that he had stumbled 
on the problem before.

gr,
Tikitu

-- 
Tikitu de Jager

From sylvain at infrae.com  Wed Jun 29 16:30:44 2011
From: sylvain at infrae.com (Sylvain Viollon)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:30:44 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
Message-ID: <20110629163044.024992c1@bluedwarf.infrae>

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:01:38 +0200
Floris van Manen <vm at klankschap.nl> wrote:

  Hello,

> this doesn't
> if i call the function it will return a (random?) identical value for
> all stored lambda functions.
> 
> def rewrite( d ):
>     for key in d:
>         for k in d[key]['next']:
>             c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
>             d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = lambda : c
>     return d
> 
> 
> There is most likely a reason to it.
> Can someone explain me what that reason is ?
> 

  c refer to only one variable, which scope is the function rewrite.

  lambda here create a closure that return the value of this unique
  variable, that will have as value the one computed in the last
  iteration of your loop (that's not random).

  Regards,

  Sylvain,

-- 
Sylvain Viollon -- Infrae
t +31 10 243 7051 -- http://infrae.com
Hoevestraat 10 3033GC Rotterdam -- The Netherlands

From a.t.hofkamp at tue.nl  Wed Jun 29 16:53:48 2011
From: a.t.hofkamp at tue.nl (A.T.Hofkamp)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:53:48 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Opschonen programma (was:  lambda rewrite question)
In-Reply-To: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
Message-ID: <4E0B3C7C.1080604@tue.nl>

On 29/06/11 16:01, Floris van Manen wrote:
> For those of you who know everything about the basic python syntax&  semantics ...
> I get stuck in a simple context issue (i think)
>
>
> this version works, it return the stored float value
>
> def rewrite( d ):
>      for key in d:
>          for k in d[key]['next']:
>              c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
>              d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = c
>      return d

Anderen hebben je vraag al opgelost, ik wil alleen even opmerken dat je programma mooier kan met 
behulp van d.itervalues():

def rewrite( d ):
      for v in d.itervalues():
          for w in v['next'].itervalues():
              c = float(w['prob'])
              w['prob'] = c
      return d


Verder is de 'return' is niet nodig, de aanroeper heeft al een referentie naar d.

In mijn programma's betekent teruggeven van een waarde na een aanroep altijd 'hier heb je een nieuwe 
waarde, de oude is ongewijzigd'. Dat geldt hier niet. Weglaten van de return maakt dat meer expliciet.


Albert

From wichert at wiggy.net  Wed Jun 29 16:44:04 2011
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:44:04 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <20110629163044.024992c1@bluedwarf.infrae>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
	<20110629163044.024992c1@bluedwarf.infrae>
Message-ID: <4E0B3A34.8080706@wiggy.net>

On 06/29/2011 04:30 PM, Sylvain Viollon wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:01:38 +0200
> Floris van Manen<vm at klankschap.nl>  wrote:
>
>    Hello,
>
>> this doesn't
>> if i call the function it will return a (random?) identical value for
>> all stored lambda functions.
>>
>> def rewrite( d ):
>>      for key in d:
>>          for k in d[key]['next']:
>>              c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
>>              d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = lambda : c
>>      return d
>>
>>
>> There is most likely a reason to it.
>> Can someone explain me what that reason is ?
>>
>    c refer to only one variable, which scope is the function rewrite.
>
>    lambda here create a closure that return the value of this unique
>    variable, that will have as value the one computed in the last
>    iteration of your loop (that's not random).

(zullen we python-nl gewoon in het nederlands houden?)

Als workaround kan je dit herschrijven als "lambda x=c: x"

Wichert.


From vm at klankschap.nl  Wed Jun 29 17:30:22 2011
From: vm at klankschap.nl (Floris van Manen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:30:22 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
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References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
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On Jun 29, 2011, at 16:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote:

> Als workaround kan je dit herschrijven als "lambda x=c: x"

Dat is ook weer wel zo duidelijk.

.F


From kitblake at infrae.com  Wed Jun 29 17:35:12 2011
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:35:12 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <4E0B3A34.8080706@wiggy.net>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
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On 29 Jun 2011, at 16:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> (zullen we python-nl gewoon in het nederlands houden?)

Hij is een Fransman. (Maar toch bezig met een cursus nederlands :)

Kit


> Als workaround kan je dit herschrijven als "lambda x=c: x"
>
> Wichert.
>
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From vm at klankschap.nl  Wed Jun 29 17:28:29 2011
From: vm at klankschap.nl (Floris van Manen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:28:29 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Opschonen programma (was: lambda rewrite question)
In-Reply-To: <4E0B3C7C.1080604@tue.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
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A.

Dat ruimt inderdaad mooi op.
De leesbaarheid is er vooralsnog toch nog vooral voor de mens achter de programmeur :-)
Dank!

.F


On Jun 29, 2011, at 16:53, A.T.Hofkamp wrote:

> On 29/06/11 16:01, Floris van Manen wrote:
>> For those of you who know everything about the basic python syntax&  semantics ...
>> I get stuck in a simple context issue (i think)
>> 
>> 
>> this version works, it return the stored float value
>> 
>> def rewrite( d ):
>>     for key in d:
>>         for k in d[key]['next']:
>>             c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
>>             d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = c
>>     return d
> 
> Anderen hebben je vraag al opgelost, ik wil alleen even opmerken dat je programma mooier kan met behulp van d.itervalues():
> 
> def rewrite( d ):
>     for v in d.itervalues():
>         for w in v['next'].itervalues():
>             c = float(w['prob'])
>             w['prob'] = c
>     return d
> 
> 
> Verder is de 'return' is niet nodig, de aanroeper heeft al een referentie naar d.
> 
> In mijn programma's betekent teruggeven van een waarde na een aanroep altijd 'hier heb je een nieuwe waarde, de oude is ongewijzigd'. Dat geldt hier niet. Weglaten van de return maakt dat meer expliciet.
> 
> 
> Albert
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From wichert at wiggy.net  Wed Jun 29 17:36:11 2011
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:36:11 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <91AE5F9F-A567-4D6A-803C-9328455AAD5C@infrae.com>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>	<20110629163044.024992c1@bluedwarf.infrae>	<4E0B3A34.8080706@wiggy.net>
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On 06/29/2011 05:35 PM, Kit BLAKE wrote:
> On 29 Jun 2011, at 16:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>> (zullen we python-nl gewoon in het nederlands houden?)
>
> Hij is een Fransman. (Maar toch bezig met een cursus nederlands :)

Prima reden om hier nederlands te proberen dan! En anders is er vast 
python-fr :)



From sylvain at infrae.com  Wed Jun 29 17:51:22 2011
From: sylvain at infrae.com (Sylvain Viollon)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:51:22 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:36:11 +0200
Wichert Akkerman <wichert at wiggy.net> wrote:

> On 06/29/2011 05:35 PM, Kit BLAKE wrote:
> > On 29 Jun 2011, at 16:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> >> (zullen we python-nl gewoon in het nederlands houden?)
> >
> > Hij is een Fransman. (Maar toch bezig met een cursus nederlands :)
> 
> Prima reden om hier nederlands te proberen dan! En anders is er vast 
> python-fr :)
> 

  En de vraag was in engels.

  Sylvain,

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From rob at hooft.net  Wed Jun 29 18:18:11 2011
From: rob at hooft.net (Rob Hooft)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:18:11 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=2h22MM-Rhn6x00LdP89tz7TXXwg@mail.gmail.com>

2011/6/29 Floris van Manen <vm at klankschap.nl>:
> For those of you who know everything about the basic python syntax & semantics ...
> I get stuck in a simple context issue (i think)
>
>
> this version works, it return the stored float value
>
> def rewrite( d ):
> ? ?for key in d:
> ? ? ? ?for k in d[key]['next']:
> ? ? ? ? ? ?c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
> ? ? ? ? ? ?d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = c
> ? ?return d
>
>
>
> this doesn't
> if i call the function it will return a (random?) identical value for all stored lambda functions.
>
> def rewrite( d ):
> ? ?for key in d:
> ? ? ? ?for k in d[key]['next']:
> ? ? ? ? ? ?c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
> ? ? ? ? ? ?d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = lambda : c
> ? ?return d
>
>
> There is most likely a reason to it.
> Can someone explain me what that reason is ?

The latter function will set all values to the same function,
returning the value of "c". So, they will all report the last value of
"c". Your lambda is almost the same as defining the function
elsewhere:

 def rewrite( d ):
    def utility():
          return c
    for key in d:
        for k in d[key]['next']:
            c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
            d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = utility
    return d

Rob

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From remco at maykinmedia.nl  Wed Jun 29 18:23:23 2011
From: remco at maykinmedia.nl (Remco Wendt)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:23:23 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
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2011/6/29 Sylvain Viollon <sylvain at infrae.com>

>  En de vraag was in engels.
>

Gaat al de goede kant op Sylvain! Het is alleen: de vraag was in _het_
Engels.

Groetjes,
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From vm at klankschap.nl  Wed Jun 29 18:15:50 2011
From: vm at klankschap.nl (Floris van Manen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:15:50 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
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On Jun 29, 2011, at 17:51, Sylvain Viollon wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:36:11 +0200
> Wichert Akkerman <wichert at wiggy.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 06/29/2011 05:35 PM, Kit BLAKE wrote:
>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 16:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>>>> (zullen we python-nl gewoon in het nederlands houden?)
>>> 
>>> Hij is een Fransman. (Maar toch bezig met een cursus nederlands :)
>> 
>> Prima reden om hier nederlands te proberen dan! En anders is er vast 
>> python-fr :)
>> 
> 
>  En de vraag was in engels.


Exactement ...
En python zelf is ook niet helemaal 100% autochtoon, qua syntax en alles :-)

.F



From remco at maykinmedia.nl  Wed Jun 29 18:56:57 2011
From: remco at maykinmedia.nl (Remco Wendt)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:56:57 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Startupweekend in Amsterdam
Message-ID: <BANLkTinYPbYn0+SdtwvqWz6fvLzAn_9Phw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

A couple of python/django developers will join in during
http://amsterdam.startupweekend.org (July 8th - July 10th) in Pakhuis de
Zwijger, also location where DjangoCon Europe was hosted. Startupweekend is
a non-stop marathon to create a startup in... yeah a weekend. It basically
means you team up with people with a diverse set of expertises to build
something that people want to use over the course of a weekend and you end
up with something working that you can demo. It is fun and developers are
much needed!

Jan-Jaap Driessen and I created an API for the Ipad Cash register, using
Grok, during the last Startup Weekend in Eindhoven:
http://www.ipadkassasysteem.nl/

If you want to join in: Dwight Gunning, one of the organizers and fellow
pythonista, has given us a special coupon code for a 20% discount: SW_PUN.

Maybe see you there,
Remco
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From faassen at startifact.com  Wed Jun 29 20:21:41 2011
From: faassen at startifact.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:21:41 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Startupweekend in Amsterdam
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinYPbYn0+SdtwvqWz6fvLzAn_9Phw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi there,

Sounds like a lot of fun! Unfortunately I can't make it this time, but
keep us posted about how it went and if it happens again.

Regards,

Martijn

From dirkjan at ochtman.nl  Wed Jun 29 21:03:07 2011
From: dirkjan at ochtman.nl (Dirkjan Ochtman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:03:07 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <353F0233-B321-4D83-826B-5A4DDC6D8755@klankschap.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
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2011/6/29 Floris van Manen <vm at klankschap.nl>:
> Exactement ...
> En python zelf is ook niet helemaal 100% autochtoon, qua syntax en alles :-)

Nouja, de syntax zelf is vrij taalneutraal... ;)

Groet,

Dirkjan

From vm at klankschap.nl  Thu Jun 30 01:36:57 2011
From: vm at klankschap.nl (Floris van Manen)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:36:57 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
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On Jun 29, 2011, at 21:03, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:

> 2011/6/29 Floris van Manen <vm at klankschap.nl>:
>> Exactement ...
>> En python zelf is ook niet helemaal 100% autochtoon, qua syntax en alles :-)
> 
> Nouja, de syntax zelf is vrij taalneutraal... ;)

( try if def while else not except )
autochtoon in de zin van een stukje polder beleving ...

.F

From wichert at wiggy.net  Thu Jun 30 13:25:09 2011
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:25:09 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Startupweekend in Amsterdam
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinYPbYn0+SdtwvqWz6fvLzAn_9Phw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinYPbYn0+SdtwvqWz6fvLzAn_9Phw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E0C5D15.1040001@wiggy.net>

On 06/29/2011 06:56 PM, Remco Wendt wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> A couple of python/django developers will join in during 
> http://amsterdam.startupweekend.org (July 8th - July 10th) in Pakhuis 
> de Zwijger, also location where DjangoCon Europe was hosted. 
> Startupweekend is a non-stop marathon to create a startup in... yeah a 
> weekend. It basically means you team up with people with a diverse set 
> of expertises to build something that people want to use over the 
> course of a weekend and you end up with something working that you can 
> demo. It is fun and developers are much needed!

Leuk idee, ik heb me net opgegeven. Wel suf dat er bij Python meteen 
Django achterstaat ;)

Wichert.


From info at elit.nl  Wed Jun 29 16:33:20 2011
From: info at elit.nl (Elit)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:33:20 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] lambda rewrite question
In-Reply-To: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
References: <2AC7CE18-A963-4858-80C2-650EC5BE40A5@klankschap.nl>
Message-ID: <4E0B37B0.2010204@elit.nl>

Hi,

I think the problem is that the lamba function tries to return the value stored 
at variable 'c', but that variable is only defined within the inner loop. So, if 
the lambda function gets called later on, it references 'c' which is not valid 
anymore.

You might be able to solve it by  doing:

d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = lambda : float(c)

(So, move the float function into the lambda)

I hope this works (and that I'm not wrong :) )

Good luck,

Rinze



On 29-6-2011 16:01, Floris van Manen wrote:
> For those of you who know everything about the basic python syntax&  semantics ...
> I get stuck in a simple context issue (i think)
>
>
> this version works, it return the stored float value
>
> def rewrite( d ):
>      for key in d:
>          for k in d[key]['next']:
>              c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
>              d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = c
>      return d
>
>
>
> this doesn't
> if i call the function it will return a (random?) identical value for all stored lambda functions.
>
> def rewrite( d ):
>      for key in d:
>          for k in d[key]['next']:
>              c = float(d[key]['next'][k]['prob'])
>              d[key]['next'][k]['prob'] = lambda : c
>      return d
>
>
> There is most likely a reason to it.
> Can someone explain me what that reason is ?
>
> Thanks!
> .Floris
>
>
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