From andreas.roehler at online.de  Sat Apr 25 09:44:01 2009
From: andreas.roehler at online.de (Andreas Roehler)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:44:01 +0200
Subject: [Python-mode] pdbtrack
Message-ID: <49F2BF41.6050600@online.de>


Hi Ken,

thanks a lot writing `pdbtrack'.

AFAIU it starts, if `py-pdbtrack-do-tracking-p' is set
to `t' and an error occurs.

Would prefer to have it started as soon
`py-pdbtrack-do-tracking-p' is set.

Presently I get that, inserting a pdb.set_trace() into
the head of the python-file.

Do you or does someone know a better solution here?

Thanks again

Andreas R?hler

--
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode/python-mode.el/files
https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/

From barry at python.org  Sat Apr 25 16:49:40 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Python-mode] pdbtrack
In-Reply-To: <49F2BF41.6050600@online.de>
References: <49F2BF41.6050600@online.de>
Message-ID: <71A9FB80-5E02-4173-B0BF-869E8E4C5A3A@python.org>

On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote:

> thanks a lot writing `pdbtrack'.
>
> AFAIU it starts, if `py-pdbtrack-do-tracking-p' is set
> to `t' and an error occurs.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  It always just starts for me  
when I hit a pdb prompt.

>
> Would prefer to have it started as soon
> `py-pdbtrack-do-tracking-p' is set.
>
> Presently I get that, inserting a pdb.set_trace() into
> the head of the python-file.
>
> Do you or does someone know a better solution here?

-Barry

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From andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de  Mon Apr 27 14:41:34 2009
From: andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmVhcyBSw7ZobGVy?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:41:34 +0200
Subject: [Python-mode] [Fwd: Re: python setup ?]
Message-ID: <49F5A7FE.1030608@easy-emacs.de>

Hi Barry,

as some questions about Emacs and python are raised, I forward that here.

Tend to delete all files beside python-mode.el from my branch.

Good idea? Agreed?


Andreas
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From barry at python.org  Mon Apr 27 15:21:07 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:21:07 -0400
Subject: [Python-mode] [Fwd: Re: python setup ?]
In-Reply-To: <49F5A7FE.1030608@easy-emacs.de>
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Message-ID: <17149201-1E96-405E-90D8-7B7C98613E04@python.org>

On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Andreas R?hler wrote:

> as some questions about Emacs and python are raised, I forward that  
> here.
>
> Tend to delete all files beside python-mode.el from my branch.
>
> Good idea? Agreed?

I generally leave the other files there, but only use python-mode.el.

-Barry

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From andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de  Mon Apr 27 16:34:47 2009
From: andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:34:47 +0200
Subject: [Python-mode] [Fwd: Re: python setup ?]
In-Reply-To: <17149201-1E96-405E-90D8-7B7C98613E04@python.org>
References: <49F5A7FE.1030608@easy-emacs.de>
	<17149201-1E96-405E-90D8-7B7C98613E04@python.org>
Message-ID: <49F5C287.8000901@easy-emacs.de>

Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Andreas R?hler wrote:
>
>> as some questions about Emacs and python are raised, I forward that
>> here.
>>
>> Tend to delete all files beside python-mode.el from my branch.
>>
>> Good idea? Agreed?
>
> I generally leave the other files there, but only use python-mode.el.
>
> -Barry
>

The point is, I don't really understand until now, if I should branch
these files into my repo or not.

Sure, you should keep it. Or better to say:  we should keep a general
repo for python-tools written so far.
OTOH, while developing certain files, we must not clone the whole repo.
Or must we
because of zar bazaars will?

Cheers

Andreas





From andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de  Mon Apr 27 16:54:25 2009
From: andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmVhcyBSw7ZobGVy?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:54:25 +0200
Subject: [Python-mode] [Fwd: Re: python setup ?]
Message-ID: <49F5C721.3070105@easy-emacs.de>

Hi Thierry,

thanks for the help. Forwarded it to python-mode at python.org and will
see, if we get it into the archive at launchpad. (BTW  seeing no
contradiction towards emacs-wiki, just different tools /possibilities.
Vive la difference!)


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From barry at python.org  Mon Apr 27 17:04:51 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Python-mode] [Fwd: Re: python setup ?]
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On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Andreas R?hler wrote:

> Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Andreas R?hler wrote:
>>
>>> as some questions about Emacs and python are raised, I forward that
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Tend to delete all files beside python-mode.el from my branch.
>>>
>>> Good idea? Agreed?
>>
>> I generally leave the other files there, but only use python-mode.el.
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>
> The point is, I don't really understand until now, if I should branch
> these files into my repo or not.
>
> Sure, you should keep it. Or better to say:  we should keep a general
> repo for python-tools written so far.
> OTOH, while developing certain files, we must not clone the whole  
> repo.
> Or must we
> because of zar bazaars will?

If you 'bzr branch lp:python-mode' you'll get all the files.  I always  
just leave them there when I work on branches of the code.  There's  
really no reason to delete them.

-Barry

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From andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de  Thu Apr 30 09:25:40 2009
From: andreas.roehler at easy-emacs.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:25:40 +0200
Subject: [Python-mode] python setup ?
In-Reply-To: <200904280634.n3S6YctW009278@zogzog.maillard.mobi>
References: <200904280634.n3S6YctW009278@zogzog.maillard.mobi>
Message-ID: <49F95274.4000801@easy-emacs.de>

Xavier Maillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
>    Richard Riley wrote:
>
>    >> The python-mode used is 5.1.0.
>
>    I've changed python-mode a little bit.
>    Purpose was to make movements a little bit easier,
>    more predictible.
>
> Easier, how easier ? What is so difficult with the default
> bindings ? (serious questions).
>   

Hi Xavier,

well, what means "easier"?

Our personal notion about whats best or fittest not
always is acknowledged by others obviously. Tastes
differ. From that I mean its better not just to look
for the one-and-all solution, but to offer flavors of
modes, so people have the choice. Thats already done
with perl-mode and cperl-mode for example. Nonetheless,
the one-and-all idea seems deep-rooted not just in
religion.

With python-mode.el, people may have good reasons, to
use it as it is - and me to leave it as it is.  Thats
fine with bazaar and other DVCs, we can do that. My
branch doesn't hamper the origin and any further branch
will not. Its just freedom to try and see.

Branch orginated from some request, to close forms more
definitely, more specific. Whilst python looks easy and
indeed is, editing it poses some specific difficulties
resulting from special meaning of whitespace.

Python-mode solved this by offering some repeats: if
you are not at the right indentation, just try the next
one - outer or inner.

Thats OK, thats a possible approach. Here the request
came from a user, who must care to save keystrokes.

Thus I wrote commands precisely closing function or
class, resp. last block. Block conceived as the
smollest hierarchical unit - themselves if no hierarchy
exists.

Too I had some other things in mind: reduction of
complexity, generalisation. Something remains to be
done.

Some reporting facilities have been introduced and
shall be still.

Here new functions as `bzr log' displays it:

`py-next-statement' and `py-previous-statement' set cursor at first char
on line instead of beginning of line
 
py-forward-block, py-backward-block

  py-beginning-of-def-or-class
  py-class-at-point
  py-function-at-point
  py-beginning-of-function
  py-beginning-of-class
  py-end-of-function
  py-end-of-class
  py-end-of-def-or-class
  py-line-at-point
  py-block-at-point
  py-beginning-of-block
  py-end-of-block
 
  py-whats-at-point
 
  py-beginning-of-def-or-class (really "or")
 
  py-beginning-of-def-or-class-if-arg

########

So far

Andreas R?hler

--
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https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/

>    BTW have a look at pydb from Rocky Bernstein, if not done already.
>
> What is it useful for ?
>
> 	Xavier
>   


From barry at python.org  Thu Apr 30 15:24:46 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:24:46 -0400
Subject: [Python-mode] python setup ?
In-Reply-To: <49F95274.4000801@easy-emacs.de>
References: <200904280634.n3S6YctW009278@zogzog.maillard.mobi>
	<49F95274.4000801@easy-emacs.de>
Message-ID: <CAA3F59D-282D-4257-91B5-1BBAB661900E@python.org>

On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:25 AM, Andreas R?hler wrote:

> With python-mode.el, people may have good reasons, to
> use it as it is - and me to leave it as it is.  Thats
> fine with bazaar and other DVCs, we can do that. My
> branch doesn't hamper the origin and any further branch
> will not. Its just freedom to try and see.

This is true, and experimentation a good thing in the short term.  In  
the long term though, a proliferation of branches just confuses people  
because no one's sure which is the official branch.  Our lives are  
more difficult too because of the python-mode.el/python.el split.

So I encourage you to experiment and get user feedback.  Old-timers  
(and remember, python-mode.el's been in widespread use for 15 years)  
will be wedded to their muscle memory, but if you introduce a user- 
visible change that people like, they can be made configurable with  
defaults providing the old behavior.  Then it will be possible to  
merge your changes back into the official branch.  If you modularize  
your changes, then the less controversial ones can get merged in sooner.

-Barry

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From andreas.roehler at online.de  Thu Apr 30 22:07:48 2009
From: andreas.roehler at online.de (Andreas Roehler)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:07:48 +0200
Subject: [Python-mode] pdbtrack
Message-ID: <49FA0514.4020107@online.de>


Hi Barry,

I'll send you two screenshots offlist.  Please feel
free to forward them to interested persons, just didn't
want to publish my path at the list.

20090428_pdbtrack3.png displays pdbtrack opened second
windows, cursor displayed at line 4 "import"

With 20090428_pdbtrack4.png you see  shell-output
from line 8, but cursor in second window still is at line 4.

Always get "Traceback cue not found"

Cause seems var `py-pdbtrack-stack-entry-regexp'.

That doesn't happen, if pdb.set_trace() is inside the
python-file.

Did someone else remark this?

Andreas