Choosing a Python IDE. what is your Pythonish recommendation? I

[Antonio Caminero Garcia]

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:10:04 PM UTC-8, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
> On 04.01.2017 07:54, Antonio Caminero Garcia wrote:
> > Unfortunately most of the time I am still using print and input functions.
I know that sucks, I did not use the pdb module, I guess that IDE debuggers 
leverage such module.
> pdb is actually quite useful. On my Windows PCs I can invoke python on
> any .py file with the -i command line switch by right clicking in the
> Explorer and selecting "Debug". Now when the script crashes, I can
> inspect variables without launching a full-scale IDE or starting the
> script from the command line. For such quick fixes I have also a context
> menu entry "Edit" for editing with Pythonwin, which is still quite OK as
> editor and has no licensing restrictions or installation requirements.
> This is a nice option when you deploy your installation to many PCs over
> the network.
I am on MacOS but interesting way of debugging, I will take the idea.
>
> For the print functions vs. debugger:
> The most useful application for a debugger like Wing is not for
> bug-fixing, but to set a break point and then interactively develop on
> the debugger console and with the IDE editor's autocompletion using
> introspection on the live objects. This is very helpful for hardware
> interfacing, network protocols or GUI programs. It really boosted my
> productivity in a way I could not believe before. This is something most
> people forget when they evaluate programming languages. It's not the
> language or syntax that counts, but the overall environment. Probably
> the only other really interactive language and environment is Forth.
>
This is exactly part of the capabilities that I am looking for. I loved you 
brought that up. When I think of an ideal IDE (besides the desirable features 
that I already mentioned previously) as a coworker who is telling me the 
values,types and ids that the objects are getting as you are setting 
breakpoints. So why not use the debugger interactively to develop applications. 
As long as one sets the breakpoints in a meaningful way so you can trace your 
code in a very productive way. Is that what you mean by interactive 
environment?

> > If it happens to be Arduino I normally use a sublime plugin called Stino
> > https://github.com/Robot-Will/Stino
> > (1337 people starred that cool number :D)
> Well, it is CodeWarrior which was quite famous at the time of the 68k Macs.
> The company was bought by Motorola and the IDE is still around for
> Freescale/NXP/Qualcomm microcontrollers like the HCS08 8 bit series.
> Around ten years ago the original CodeWarrior IDE was migrated to
> something Eclipse based.
> When I last evaluated HCS08 vs. Arduino, the HCS08 won due to the better
> debug interface and native USB support. HCS08 is still quite cool, but
> when it comes to documentation, learning curve, tools etc. the Arduinos
> win....
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dietmar