"More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3"
Mark Lawrence
breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Jan 6 18:02:05 EST 2014
On 06/01/2014 22:41, Nicholas Cole wrote:
> I hardly know which of the various threads on this topic to reply to!
>
> No one is taking Python 2.7 away from anyone. It is going to be on the
> net for years to come. Goodness! I expect if I wanted to go and
> download Python 1.5 I could find it easily enough.
>
> Like everyone else, when Python 3 came out I was nervous. A lot of my
> code broke - but it broke for a good reason. I had been being cavalier
> about strings and ASCII and bytes. A lot of my code was working by
> accident rather than by design, or because my users had never fed it
> anything that would make it fall over. Of course, my first reaction was
> a defensive one, but once I had got over that and got my head around
> Python 3's view of the world, I was pleased I had. I find writing in
> Python 3 leads to more robust code. I like the way it forces me to do
> the right thing, and I like the way it raises errors if I try to get
> away with something I shouldn't. Going back to Python 2 now feels a bit
> like stepping back to the seductive and permissive hell of PHP in some
> ways! If I could be sure that I was coding just for me and not having
> to support things still running on Python 2, I would move to Python 3.3
> and not look back. Except, yes, there are still libraries that haven't
> made the change....blast!
>
> Python 2.7 is there if your software was written to run on the 2 series.
> I am sure it will either be distributed with (as default or option)
> major operating systems for some time. I am totally unpersuaded by the
> argument that 'back porting' more and more into Python 2 will ease the
> transition. I think it will just use up developer time, and delay
> further the day when releasing new code for Python 3 only becomes not
> only reasonable but the natural and default choice.
>
> I am really glad to see that at least one distribution of Linux is
> moving to Python 3 as the default. I'd much rather see developer time
> spent improving Python 3 than managing a transition.
> I realised when Python 3.0 came out that eventually I would have to move
> to Python 3. I spent the next release in a state of denial. But I had
> years to get used to it, and I'm glad I have. It "feels" more robust.
> Of course, I haven't ported every little program: but no one is
> forcing me too!
>
> All of these threads are written as if everyone's code is about to be
> broken. It isn't. But if you want the new features, you need to make a
> move, and it is probably time to write all new code in Python 3. If
> there's a dependency holding you back, then there will be a Python 2
> interpreter around to run your code. That all seems pretty reasonable
> and straightforward to me.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
The first sentence from the blog which gives this thread its title "It's
becoming increasingly harder to have reasonable discussions about the
differences between Python 2 and 3 because one language is dead and the
other is actively developed". Funny really as I see bug fixes going
into Python 2.7 on a daily basis so I can only assume that their
definition of dead is different to mine and presumably yours.
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark Lawrence
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