beginner question (True False help)
Terry Reedy
tjreedy at udel.edu
Thu Aug 8 16:29:00 EDT 2013
On 8/8/2013 7:41 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:20 AM, <wxjmfauth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> def z2():
>> ... letters = 'abc'
>> ... while True:
>> ... c = input('letter: ')
>> ... if c not in letters:
>> ... print('end, fin, Schluss')
>> ... break
>> ... else:
>> ... print('do stuff')
>
>
> Minor quibble: I don't like having a hard exit followed by an "else".
Whereas I tend to prefer to have the two alternatives cleanly marked as
alternatives by both being indented the same.
Many alternatives are not so trivial as the above. I remember reading
one snippet in the CPython codebase where the 'else' was omitted and the
if clause subdivided into about three paths. It took at least a minute
to determine that all paths terminated in such a way that there really
was an inplied else. How much easier it would have been to read the code
if the author had explicitly types the 'else'.
> If the "if" branch will unconditionally quit the loop (with a break,
> here, but could also be a return, a thrown exception, etc etc), I
> would prefer to see the "else" removed and its code unindented one
> level. Maybe this is just personal preference, though, learned from
> assembly language programming where a "block if" looks something like
> this:
>
> ; if x == y:
> CMP x,y
> JNZ .else
> ; Code for "x == y"
> JMP .endif
> .else:
> ; Code for "else"
> .endif
>
> Putting an unconditional departure in the "x == y" branch makes the
> "JMP .endif" redundant.
Python is not assembly ;-). 3.3 effectively ignores the extraneous
'else:'. Either way, if the condition is false, control jumps to the
second print. For what little it matters, the bytecode is the same length.
def f():
while True:
if a:
b = 1
break
else:
b = 2
>>> dis(f)
2 0 SETUP_LOOP 25 (to 28)
3 >> 3 LOAD_GLOBAL 0 (a)
6 POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE 19
4 9 LOAD_CONST 1 (1)
12 STORE_FAST 0 (b)
5 15 BREAK_LOOP
16 JUMP_ABSOLUTE 3
7 >> 19 LOAD_CONST 2 (2)
22 STORE_FAST 0 (b)
25 JUMP_ABSOLUTE 3
>> 28 LOAD_CONST 0 (None)
31 RETURN_VALUE
def f():
while True:
if a:
b = 1
break
b = 2
>>> dis(f)
2 0 SETUP_LOOP 25 (to 28)
3 >> 3 LOAD_GLOBAL 0 (a)
6 POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE 19
4 9 LOAD_CONST 1 (1)
12 STORE_FAST 0 (b)
5 15 BREAK_LOOP
16 JUMP_FORWARD 0 (to 19)
6 >> 19 LOAD_CONST 2 (2)
22 STORE_FAST 0 (b)
25 JUMP_ABSOLUTE 3
>> 28 LOAD_CONST 0 (None)
31 RETURN_VALUE
--
Terry Jan Reedy
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