Ubuntu package "python3" does not include tkinter

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On Apr 19, 10:42 pm, lcrocker <leedanielcroc... at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 10:35 am, Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2013.04.19 12:17, lcrocker wrote:> Am I mistaken in my belief that tkinter is a non-optional part of the
> > > Python language? I installed the "python3" package on Ubuntu, and
> > > tkinter is not included--it's an optional package "python3-tk" that
> > > has to be installed separately. I reported this as a bug as was
> > > summarily slapped down.
>
> > Forcing Tkinter as a dependency would result in a ton of things being installed to support it. Why should a web server using Django have X
> > installed and running because Python /can/ support a GUI in the standard library? It's trivial to install Tkinter if you need it, but it
> > would be a huge mess to try to remove it from an installation that requires it - even if you never use Tkinter. Ubuntu is far from alone
> > here. FreeBSD (and probably the other BSDs) and most Linux distros do something similar. There is zero reason to force Tkinter and its
> > dependencies on all Python users.
> > --
> > CPython 3.3.0 | Windows NT 6.2.9200 / FreeBSD 9.1
>
> I understand that for something like a server distribution, but Ubuntu
> is a user-focused desktop distribution. It has a GUI, always. The
> purpose of a distro like that is to give users a good experience. If I
> install Python on Windows, I get to use Python. On Ubuntu, I don't,
> and I think that will confuse some users. I recently recommended
> Python to a friend who wants to start learning programming. Hurdles
> like this don't help someone like him.

Well I guess you could take the example of kde.
kde has a kde-standard and a kde-full.
Likewise one could imagine python-standard being what is currently
called python and python-full pulling in other dependencies like
tkinter.
If there were a number of such it may even make sense, if not it looks
like overkill (to me)