WxPython versus Tkinter.

[Octavian Rasnita]

From: "Grant Edwards" <invalid at invalid.invalid>
> So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
> nor presumably in communication itself?

No, I don't want to say that, but I want to say that if it is obviously that
the others don't care about the main issue discussed, then the communication
just for the sake of communication has no value.
If the others do care, but they are just uninformed, then I guess they
wouldn't be upset by a direct communication that just tell them what's
wrong.

> If you don't care about communicating with others, then being civil
> probably does have no value (except for keeping a job or being
> avoiding being beaten up on the playground).  If you want to
> communicate (especially if you want somebody else to _do_ something),
> then being civil and following normal social rules (etiquette) is
> _very_ valuable. Without it the only thing you accomplish is to turn
> people against you and whatever you're saying.

How can we talk about etiquette when exactly this etiquette is the one that
needs to be changed?
As you say, the etiquette is in favor of the preferences of the majority,
but how should react someone, what he/she should say in order to make the
others understand that that etiquette is bad because it discriminates some
categories of people?
And those minorities are not minorities because they want, or because they
simply don't want to change their way, but because they can't do that.

> There is no inherent "value" in driving on the right side of the road
> vs. the left.  However, there is a lot of value in driving on the side
> of road that others expect you to.  I'd tell you to try driving on the
> other side of the road sometime to see how "easing communication" can
> be valuable, but I'm afraid you'd try it...

You are right in that case, but the comparison is not good because yes there
is a value in creating accessible GUIS. Those who drive on the left, the
minority, can adapt to drive on the right. If their cars have the wheels on
the right, there are technical solutions for that problem... they ccan
change their cars. But if an application uses Tk, those minorities that have
problems don't have any technical solution to solve them, because there are
not accessible versions for all the inaccessible apps.

Try to imagine that it will appear an incurable disease for those who drive
on the right. What do you think it will happen? Probably they all would
start driving on the left.
But what it would be happening if only a small minorities of those who drive
on the right will get that disease, say those between 18 and 25? Probably it
won't happen anything and those that are below 25 won't be able to drive a
car, because they are too few and too unimportant, and they would have too
small power to change things in favor of all.
And that would mean discrimination.

The people are free and as someone said, the man is a rational animal, so
the power differences rank the world and not the truth and etiquette,
because the etiquette is also imposed by the majority and about those who
have the power.
And I fully agree with you and others said regarding to this, but what I
said is that all that majority should do what it wants, however it should
always remember at least that it is not doing the right thing.
Yes, I know that this opinion that those who create shortcomings should not
feel good for what they do or even think, is something which is not helpful
for me, and it might not be helpful for those who use a screen reader either
in the present, exactly because of those bad and unfair sentiments, but I
hope that this will change in the future. And here I agree, I am not talking
only about the accessibility to computers, but about all the image that the
blind people have in the healthy's people mind.

Octavian