At 2008-05-30T17:40:17Z, "Diez B. Roggisch" <deets at nospam.web.de> writes: > Of course you can get the self - just use the first paramter, because it > *is* self. Self is just a parameter - nothing special. If I blame it on being a long week, can I keep my geek card? -- Kirk Strauser The Day Companies