pygame and python 2.5

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On Feb 10, 4:07?pm, "Ben Sizer" <kylo... at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:31 am, "mensana... at aol.com" <mensana... at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 9, 11:39?am, "Ben Sizer" <kylo... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hopefully in the future, some of those convoluted steps will be fixed,
> > > but that requires someone putting in the effort to do so. As is often
> > > the case with Python, and indeed many open source projects, the people
> > > who are knowledgeable enough to do such things usually don't need to
> > > do them, as their setup already works just fine.
>
> > So you're saying the knowledgeable people's attitude
> > is "fuck everyone else as lomg as it's not MY problem"?
>
> > And you people complain about Microsoft.
>
> Am I one of "those people"? You don't exactly make it clear.

I'm talking about the people who complain about Microsoft
making the VC6 compiler no longer legally available and
yet are so irresponsible that they use it for the latest
release.

>
> But yes, there is a lot of "well, it works for me" going around. If
> you do that long enough, people stop complaining, so people wrongly
> assume there's no longer a problem. This is partly why Python has
> various warts on Windows and why the standard libraries are oddly
> biased, why configuring Linux almost always ends up involving hand-
> editing a .conf file, why the leading cross-platform multimedia
> library SDL still doesn't do hardware graphics acceleration a decade
> after such hardware became mainstream, and so on.
>
> However, the difference between the open-source people and Microsoft
> is the the open-source people aren't being paid by you for the use of
> their product, so they're not obligated in any way to help you.

This argument has become tiresome. The Python community
wants Python to be a big fish in the big pond. That's why
they make Windows binaries available.

> After all, they have already given freely and generously, and if they choose
> not to give more on top of that, it's really up to them.

Right. Get people to commit and then abandon them. Nice.

> Yes, it's
> occasionally very frustrating to the rest of us, but that's life.

As the Kurds are well aware.

> The best I feel I can do is raise these things on occasion,
> on the off-chance that I manage to catch the attention of
> someone who is
> altruistic, knowledgeable, and who has some spare time on
> their hands!

Someone who, say, solved the memory leak in the GMPY
divm() function even though he had no way of compiling
the source code?

Just think of what such an altruistic, knowedgeable
person could do if he could use the current VC compiler
or some other legally available compiler.

>
> --
> Ben Sizer