Python does not play well with others

[Szabolcs Nagy]

Paul Rubin wrote:
> "George Sakkis" <george.sakkis at gmail.com> writes:
> > > What does "batteries included" mean to you?  To me, it means you don't
> > > have to install add-ons.
> >
> > So let's make a 500MB executable and add Numpy, Zope, Django, PIL,
> > pretty much everything actually. Even better, make CheeseShop just a
> > frontend to a build system that adds and updates automatically
> > submitted packages to the core. Problem solved ! <wink>.
>
> Numpy should certainly be included and I think there are efforts in
> that direction.  There is also a movement to choose a web framework to
> include and Django might be a good choice.  I think the Zope
> maintainers want to keep Zope separate and I think PIL has an
> incompatible license...

do not do that

(1)
i love when i can create a minimalistic system

think about it this way: what if you want to run python on an embeded/
low resource system?

if you want python to do webhosting the solution is _not_ to include
every related package

look at eg. debian: you can use it for lowresource system, desktop,
scientific computation and for webserver as well because of it's
package management system --> you can build a min. system and a huge
system as well.

(2)
seriously, python is a programming language and not a flee market (so
don't compare it to java or php)

unfortunately lots of ppl working on web related stuff think web is
the only reason a programming language should exist, which is pretty
stupid

i don't want a "webmodule" in a stdlib at all. implementing the
standards and recommendations should be enough. web in general is a
huge and ugly bloat, keep it away from a language core.

(3)
having a maintained set of modules for every possible problem is nice,
but shouldn't be a part of the core lib.

eg. numpy, mysql, ssl, pil, ... are not needed in the stdlib since
most of the programming tasks don't need those

they should be maintained separately, with an easy way to find and
install them. that's what cheese shop and distutils are for.

for me batteries included means i get a clean and consistent stdlib
and if i need special functionality i can add modules and extensions
easily

nsz