Zope 3.0, and why I won't use it

[Nicholas Wieland]

- Will Stuyvesant :
> Hello all,
>
> So Zope still lives, yay.  Well, I like that they use Python.  
>
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>
> What amazed me is they write that they "added types to the variables
> and hope that it will be added to the Python project too".  Really. 
> ROFL.

Sorry, probably I'm just tired (work to buy coffee <-> drink coffee to 
work inifite loop, as usual :p), but I can't find where exactly they
made such a claim. I'm really interested in this because a friend of
mine (Volonghi) asked me exactly the same question... I think that
"someone - somewhere" misunderstood what interfaces are, but I'm not
sure. The only thing I'm sure is that I'm writing components for ZopeX3
in plain old good Python from milestone 3 :)

> And instead of working on the engine they should have put more work
> into examples.  Simple tutorials.

What about the programmers tutorial (http://snipurl.com/amy9) and the
Developer Book (http://snipurl.com/amyb) ? 

> Downloadable executables for Windows that you can click and install.

Like the .exe here http://snipurl.com/amyd ? I'm not a Windows user,
sorry, can't really help here :)

> But most of all simple and good examples: webapplications like
> - a wiki in zope

http://snipurl.com/amyh

> - a forum in zope, with agenda and calendar

Maybe the example of the developer book can help: Stephan explains the
main concepts of ZX3 by implementing a messageboard.

> - a game like http://216.199.69.100/war/ in zope

Can't help here. BTW, I think that the zwiki, the bugtracker and all the
documentation is enought for now - I've seen too much ultrastable
software with a man page and an hello world called "documentation" to
complain the developers for that :) 

> They have a nice free webhosting thing for zope, but to expect new
> users to do everything from scratch...
> The "examples" I found were very disappointing.

Why ? ...

HAND,
  ngw