Is classless worth consideration

[has]

s " <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote in message news:<mailman.175.1083442877.25742.python-list at python.org>...

> Quoting from a previous post quoting by someone else:
> > Modules are an encapsulation mechanism, just like class instances, so
> > I'd say the large and obvious overlap counts as unnecessary
> 
> I don't see this.  'Class instance' is an abstract concept, not a
> particular object.

Please forgive my linguistic sloppies. How about if I say 'an object
of type "instance"'; does that sound clearer?

Regarding the remainder of your post, your argument seems to be that
Python has got all this stuff [that you describe], therefore all this
stuff is needed. Have you tried the sorts of systems I've been
describing for comparison? Because I've worked with both types of
system, so what I describe is anything but fuzzy theorising: these
systems already exist and there's nothing to stop anyone else from
trying them out themselves _before_ trying to critique my arguments.

So I may I respectfully suggest that yourself and others do just this.
Because then you can argue from a position of strength, having weighed
the pros and cons of both approaches and formulated your arguments
based on that, rather than out of some religious obligation to defend
the orthodoxy from any kind of perceived attack, regardless of whether
or not you even understand what this "attack" actually is. Which is
what these and other arguments, for all their seeming depth, really
boil down to in the end.

I'm sorry if this sounds personal; it isn't really. As an outsider
who's spent years looking in, I've had plenty of time to observe the
best and worst of programming culture in action, and it's the subtle*
but strong undercurrent of blind reactionary conservatism that runs
through much of it that I find most frustrating.

I'm genuinely happy to see my arguments taken apart by folk who
understand them better than me. Many are naive and simplistic and
others are completely wrong; I honestly look forward to having my
preconceptions challenged and my prejudices shattered. It's the
feeling I sometimes get that I'm being rebuffed merely for questioning
the religious orthodoxy; that my position is percieved as a threat
because I won't meekly accept everything I'm told as an obvious truth.
This is what I'm unhappy about.

So please, give me confidence that I'm being taken apart by an expert
who wants to set me right, not by some frightened partisan who only
wants to defend their faith. Impress me. Make me admire your
arguments. Give me something to _really_ think about. I honestly don't
think it's too much to ask.

Regards,

has

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* slashdot excepted ;)