terminological obscurity

[Arthur]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 16:25:28 GMT, Arthur <ajsiegel at optonline.com>
wrote:

>
>With some part of that dynamics, it seems to me, being that many of us
>take our own understanding of the difference between tuples and lists
>(some of which might be deeper than others, mine on the lighter side)
>and then ascribe and reconcile that understanding with Guido's words.
>Which is part of the tautaology factor.

Sorry folks, the dunamics here really interest me. It is simply group
dynamics in the circumstances of a strong individual leader. I don't
mean to be in finger pointing, or hysterics mode.

But backing up, and re-reading the python-dev thread from which this
all starts, I think there is one other factor.  

Simply that the distinction being drawn by Guido was  - I'm thinking -
formed prior to new style classes, and attendent changes to the
language. And that it was more meaningful once, than it is now is.

Certainly a programming language like Python is tightly  woven and it
should be no real surprise that changes to the language as fundamental
as occurred since 1.5.2 - not directly related to lists or tuples -
would impact the conceptualization and language with which might most
appropriate in describing these structures.

I am going out of on a limb (I've long since had little to lose by
doing so here)  - and beyond by competence - to speculate that part of
what we have here is a time warp in the direction reverse from which
is normally expected of Guido.

Art