[OT] Education (Was: Re: Case insensitivity)

[Gerrit Holl]

(this topic shouldn't be here but in the EDU-sig)

Arthur schreef op dinsdag 18 februari om 18:02:10 +0000:
> as to case sensitivity
> 
> [Jacek]
> >> FWIW, I'm with him on this one.
> 
> [Kirk]
> >Ditto.
> 
> Probably a bad idea to reopen this can.

python -c "print __import__('operator').truth(__import__('operator').not_(__import__('math').floor(__import__('random').randint(0,10)/10+1e-10)))"

I am hereby humbly offering my true regrets.
But then, won't we get a post-PEP-hangover?

> But, as someone who learned to program via Python, certainly qualified to
> address the issue as to "non-programmers". A quite minor issue.

So am I. Although strictly spoken I programmed "SuperLogo" before I
did Python, but "SuperLogo" didn't went very far (it started of with
'the enter key is on the right side of your keyboard'...). I have
had difficulties understanding Object Oriented but now I can't understand
how I could write applications/games without it.

> If the issue is lowering barriers, it is a *very* big change, for a *very*
> small return.  If it is justifiable on other grounds - great.  There in fact
> might be a *very small* benefit to the lowering of barriers, as a side
> effect.

I think for lowering the barriers, it is *much* more important to translate
documentation, especially so-called 'level-zero-documentation'. That is the
level of SuperLogo. A friend of mine wants to learn programming, but does
not know a lot beyond the enter key. The one and only thing which makes it
currently impossible for him to do this through Python is: he doesn't know
English (only Dutch).

> I feel enititled to comment on this only because my post was cited.  I am
> hoping we don't reopen it.  And if we do, that the discussion is limited to
> the impact on programmers.

I think the BDFL would not consider posting again in a case-thread, reading
the previous one. Let's make this thread one about Education, Education and
Education.

yours,
Gerrit.

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