hello I way wondering why one has to write list = [2, 3, 5] print len(list) instead of list.len() in Ruby I can write array = [2, 3, 4] puts array.length() which feels more intuitive to me please, I do not want to start a flame war Ruby <-> Python I like and use both !! maybe there is something like that for python and I have just not found it. markus