[ANNOUNCE] Umbra role-playing game 0.2 pre-alpha

[Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes]

Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:45:46 +0200 in
<mailman.987792402.21125.python-list at python.org>,
Kalle Svensson <kalle at gnupung.net> spake:
>Sez Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes [regarding the GPL]:
>I think you've got the "virus" thing all wrong.  It doesn't force you to use
>the GPL for your programs unless they are derivative works of a program
>licensed under the GPL.

  Or unless someone else makes changes to your code to integrate even a
teensy little bit of GPL-infected code, and then your code is diseased,
too.

>I think you underestimate the contributions of RMS.  He didn't just write
>emacs, you know...

  Really?  What's he done, then?  He did some part of GCC, but that was
a long time and a lot of programmers ago.

>>   What has he done for us (instead of to us) *lately*?  Nothing.  He's a
>> waste of meat.
>What have *you* done for us (lately or ever)?  My guess is that you're a
>waste of meat too, by that reasoning.

  You could have spent a few seconds doing research, but no; -100 points
for you.  During the week, I write Java and XML-based networking
software for $A_BIG_CO.  On the weekends, I write games, currently in
Python, which is what brought us here, as you'd know if you'd been
reading the thread instead of just trolling on your religion's keywords.
And that's just the current activity.  You have picked exactly the wrong
kind of person to ask that question of: I *work* for a living.

  As long as something moves and produces, they're still alive.  When
someone stops, like St*llm*n, they're a corpse, an unperson.

>May I ask what makes you able to judge the quality of the works of RMS,
>Linus, Guido and ESR, especially considering that they write very different
>kinds of software.  emacs is not linux is not python is not fetchmail.

  What makes me able to judge?  I'm a thinking, reasoning, observant
human being.  Anyone who isn't able to judge is lacking one or more of
those traits.  And for those specific programs, I'm a programmer who's
used some or all of their stuff at various times.

  Eric's little tools and joke languages are nice but hardly
earth-shattering, and his work on the Jargon File has been a mixed
blessing.  Python's a really keen language.  The Linux kernel is okay,
but HP-UX and *BSD are better (maybe Slowlaris, but maybe not); I only
use it because the installed base and driver support make up for it.

  And the only reason Emacs isn't all of those others is that it hasn't
got 'round to absorbing them like the Blob.



  Of course, I understand (especially given your site) that you have to
react this way, since I've slandered your messiah.  Get over it.

  Anyway, this is enough commentary from me on the subject, I'll say no
more on it here.

-- 
 <a href="http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/"> Mark Hughes </a>
"I will tell you things that will make you laugh and uncomfortable and really
fucking angry and that no one else is telling you.  What I won't do is bullshit
you.  I'm here for the same thing you are.  The Truth." -Transmetropolitan #39