Zope question: collaborative environments?

[Thomas A. Bryan]

"Samuel A. Falvo II" wrote:

> I think this is an unnecessarily harsh assessment of Zope.  
[...snip...]
> The problem, therefore, is that the assorted set of products available for
> Zope are all in varying stages of development, and none of the *products*
> are ready for prime-time.  Zope, the core itself, has always been ready for
> prime-time -- at least since the 2.1 series was first unveiled.

Thanks.  It's nice to see a few different perspectives on Zope.  If we go 
with Zope, we just need enough products to be good enough for solid, constant 
internal use to suit our needs.  If the engine or the products we need to use 
are so immature that they corrupt data or slow to a crawl on a multi-processor 
Alpha box (or a separate, dedicated PC), then Zope is definitely not an option.
If twenty developers can leave their browsers up and hit the Zope server several 
times per hour with good response time, then Zope is definitely an option.

> is not designed for the web content newbie either.  
[...snip...]
> At some point, you need
> to just dive in and try it yourself.  The single best way to learn how to
> use Zope is to just download it, install it, follow their simple tutorial,
> modify the set of pages supplied, and learn as you go.  

After this thread, I think that it's time to do exactly that.

> >I suggest you look seriously at these alternatives:
> 
> Exactly -- don't use Zope for the sake of it being based on Python.  Use
> Zope because it fulfills your needs.  There's room for all sorts of tools in
> this world.  Sometimes, it seems like this world is a little *too*
> competitive.

Of course.  My boss knows that Python is one of my favorite languages, so he 
knows where my bias lies.  ;-)  The problem was that I knew about Zope and 
Sourceforge, but I had a real problem *finding* anything else.  I tried a dozen 
generic web searches for Zopish things, but I couldn't even locate Zope or 
SourceForge. :-/  I kept pulling up silly tools for web site developers or the 
bug databases of various other products.  I'll definitely take a look at the 
list Jason posted.  If anyone has any other suggestions, then I'd be happy to 
hear them.  The more choices I have, the more likely we'll be able to choose 
something that really fits my group's needs.

---Tom