Python Productivity over C++ (Encapsulation)

[matt]

Just sounds like you have trouble abstracting a process in the first place.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Hung Jung Lu wrote:
> >Then why does Python support encapsulation that is just as strict as C++? 
> >Guido
> >van Rossum - exposed as a traitor to the people's revolution all along!
> 
> Ha. Then why does Guido explicitly say in the manual that these variables 
> are still accessible? Just to be nice, I guess? :)
> 
> >I can easily subvert encapsulation in many C++ classes simply with the line
> >"#define private public" before I include any header files. Perhaps this 
> >means
> >that C++ will in fact lead to the overthrow of evil and oppression in the 
> >world?
> 
> Sure. What do you think I did when it was 3:00 AM I needed to ship a product 
> the next day and the engine programmers weren't available to change and 
> recompile the libraries? (Well, it was not 3:00 AM nor the next day, but you 
> get the idea.) Subversion, of course. I'll let you figure out how to do 
> things without using "#define private public" yet still be able to access 
> private data members. In my world there are no variables that can't be made 
> public, ha! The thing is, if you have to constantly recurr to subversion to 
> add functionalities, there is a problem with the language.
> 
> Yeah yeah, of course people later were shocked (and one actually screamed) 
> at how I operated. But sorry, do you guys want the product shipped, or miss 
> the season and lose millions of dollars?
> 
> There have been just way too many times when I needed extra functionality 
> and the engine team just couldn't respond in time. Why? Because some of the 
> codes were written a long time ago, and it takes them (engine programers) a 
> long time to warm up and remember all the details. If I have to wait a few 
> weeks for the changes to come, we'd've missed the deadlines. By nature you 
> don't want to release a new version of the engine per each tiny 
> change/request, right? But then, how do I add functionalities when I need 
> them urgently? This kind of situations would've NEVER happened with Python, 
> where your hands are free to add more functionalities.
> 
> Then again, I guess you've never been handcuffed. :) Have you ever worked in 
> a corporate world? (Or am I again talking to a newbie without real-world 
> experience?)
> 
> >Also, remember that Java's encapsulation isn't exactly inviolable. It can't 
> >be.
> >Think about it.
> 
> Done that thinking. :)
> 
> regards,
> 
> Hung Jung
> 
> 
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