Smalltalk and Python

[David Simmons]

"James A. Robertson" <jarober at home.com> wrote in message
news:3A3AC0C4.8E13D4CC at home.com...
> Chris Ryland wrote:
> >
> > Russell--
> >
> > Overall, good show! Some questions/observations.
> >
> > "Russell E. Owen" <owen at astroNOJNK.washington.edu.invalid> wrote in
message
> > news:915qlh$89fa$1 at nntp6.u.washington.edu...
> > > [...]
> > > On the other hand, it is not as powerful, clean and regular as
> > > smalltalk. Limitations include:
> > > - The language is somewhat cluttered and irregular because it has
> > > procedures, functions and methods. Hence arbitrary decisions had to be
> > > made in some areas as to how to implement things, which can lead to
some
> > > hunting through the manuals.
> >
> > But, as we all know, languages that give you an "on ramp" from other
more
> > familiar paradigms often succeed against "more clean/powerful"
languages.
> > (E.g., Java was an easy "reach" for many C++ programmers.)
> >
> > I.e., Smalltalk's fierce O-O cleanliness may work against it for general
> > acceptance. (That, and the fact that every Smalltalk vendor in the world
> > (all 2 of them ;-) fell down and played dead at the first appearance of
the
> > (apparent) Java juggernaut.)
>
> All two of them?
>
> Cincom VisualWorks, ObjectStudio, VSE
> IBM VAST
> Gemstone Gemstone/S
> Object-Arts Dolphin
> ObjectConnect Smalltalk/MT
> eXept Smalltalk/X
> QKS SmalltalkAgents, SmallScript (.NET)
>
> And Disney has Squeak open sourced

And you really want to add:

    OTI Smalltalk (for embedded systems -- now owned by IBM and the basis
for VAST)

    PocketSmalltalk (for PDA/embedded systems)

    Bistro Smalltalk for JVM

-- Dave Simmons [www.qks.com / www.smallscript.com]
  "Effectively solving a problem begins with how you express it."

>
> Somewhat more than 2.
>
>
>
> --
> James A. Robertson
> Technical Product Manager (Smalltalk), Cincom
> jarober at mail.com
>
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