IDLE loses menus on Macintosh

[Greg Ewing]

My attempts at getting IDLE to work on my Mac
last night were very depressing.

I found a way to force Tkinter to load the
standard tcl functions that weren't getting
loaded. Now IDLE will start up.

But its menu bars keep getting lost!

If I open 2 windows and switch back and forth
between them a few times, the IDLE menus disappear
and get replaced by a default Wish menu bar from
Tcl/Tk.

Surely *someone* else has tried to run IDLE on
a Mac? Should I expect it to work, or is Tkinter
on a Mac just a dead loss and I should just give 
up now?

There is another problem as well, not related
to Tk. If I turn on "Delay console window until
needed" in the Python Prefs, and run a script which
writes to stdout, the console window appears, but
without any menus -- and if I hit command-Q, a
crash occurs.

This is the Python 1.5.2c1 Mac binary distribution,
installed on a PowerMac under System 8.0.

Thanks for any help,
Greg Ewing
greg at cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
greg.ewing at compaq.com