[Python-ideas] Crazy idea: allow keywords as names in certain positions

[Elias Tarhini]

I like it! The obvious question, though: How would "*from package import
keyword*" be handled, if not simply by SyntaxError? Would *from package
import keyword as keyword_* be allowed?

In a similar vein, what would happen with stdlib functions like
operator.not_? The thought of writing "operator.not" is appealing, but
being forced to use *that* (with *from operator import not* being
non-allowable) may not be.

On Sun, May 13, 2018, 11:20 AM Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> As anyone still following the inline assignment discussion knows, a
> problem with designing new syntax is that it's hard to introduce new
> keywords into the language, since all the nice words seem to be used as
> method names in popular packages. (E.g. we can't use 'where' because
> there's numpy.where
> <https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-1.14.0/reference/generated/numpy.where.html>,
> and we can't use 'given' because it's used in Hypothesis
> <http://hypothesis.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quickstart.html>.)
>
> The idea I had (not for the first time :-) is that in many syntactic
> positions we could just treat keywords as names, and that would free up
> these keywords.
>
> For example, we could allow keywords after 'def' and after a period, and
> then the following would become legal:
>
> class C:
>     def and(self, other):
>         return ...
>
> a = C()
> b = C()
> print(a.and(b))
>
> This does not create syntactic ambiguities because after 'def' and after a
> period the grammar *always* requires a NAME.
>
> There are other positions where we could perhaps allow this, e.g. in a
> decorator, immediately after '@' (the only keyword that's *syntactically*
> legal here is 'not', though I'm not sure it would ever be useful).
>
> Of course this would still not help for names of functions that might be
> imported directly (do people write 'from numpy import where'?). And it
> would probably cause certain typos be harder to diagnose.
>
> I should also mention that this was inspired from some messages where Tim
> Peters berated the fashion of using "reserved words", waxing nostalgically
> about the old days of Fortran (sorry, FORTRAN), which doesn't (didn't?)
> have reserved words at all (nor significant whitespace, apart from the
> "start in column 7" rule).
>
> Anyway, just throwing this out. Please tear it apart!
>
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