[Python-ideas] Rewriting the build system (part 2)

[Ryan Gonzalez]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Andrew Barnert <
abarnert at yahoo.com.dmarc.invalid> wrote:

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 4:12 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Florian Bruhin <me at the-compiler.org>
> wrote:
> >> * anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> [2015-03-18 10:21:46 +0300]:
> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But to miss-paraphrase Winston Churchill [1]:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Autotools is the worst build system except for all the others."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there really something better out there?
> >>>>
> >>>> Fbuild, Waf, Meson, GN, Boost.Build, Tundra, Bam, ...
> >>>
> >>> Is there anything Javascriptey? Python needs to move to web. I heard
> >>> something about Grunt, which was replaced by Gulp, but no idea if they
> >>> really mature enough to include "system features detection" and "user
> >>> configured builds" (or work with C/C++ compilers at all).
> >>
> >> What does "Python needs to move to web" to do with it's build system
> >> being "Javascriptey"?
> >
> > Because things like Twisted are de-facto standard in JavaScript world
> > (Node.js), and Python will benefit more if people look for how things are
> > implemented in non-C worlds.
>
> Is this a sarcastic comment?
>
> Or are you seriously suggesting that because people use things like the
> stdlib's asyncio, gevent, Tornado, etc. in Python, which have different
> paradigms than Twisted, the one Node copied, we need to force some other
> part of Python to be more like Node in some other way, because "move to the
> web" means "be more like the latest (but nowhere near most popular)
> framework for building web services"?
>
> Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Node implemented in C, with a
> build system in C and Python? So if we really want to be more like Node for
> some reason, we should make the build system Pythony instead of Javascripty?
>

You're not wrong. Node uses Gyp, although, if Chromium switches to GN
(written in C++), Node might switch, too.


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-- 
Ryan
[ERROR]: Your autotools build scripts are 200 lines longer than your
program. Something’s wrong.
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