[Python-Dev] OpenIndiana and Solaris support

[Victor Stinner]

Hi,

Is there anything new about Solaris or OpenIndiana since September?
Right now, it seems like the cea-indiana-x86 buildbot slave is offline
since longer than 54 days.

Oracle decided to stop Solaris 12 development:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/oracle-sort-of-confirms-demise-of-solaris-12-effort/

I'm not opposed to help if someone provides patches to fix Solaris
issues, but it seems like no one wants to do this job.

So I suggest to drop official Solaris support, but I don't propose to
remove the C code specific to Solaris. In practice, I suggest to
remove Solaris and OpenIndiana buildbots since they are broken for
months and are more annoying than useful.

Victor

2016-09-27 0:54 GMT+02:00 Brett Cannon <brett at python.org>:
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 at 15:38 Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the reality check Trent! I think if enough people with core
>> committer bits want to keep supporting Solaris / Illumos / OpenIndiana
>> / other variants that's fine, but I don't think that just having some
>> VMs to test on is enough -- we also need people who can fix problems
>> if those buildbots start failing, and that requires pretty specialized
>> knowledge. Plus of course we won't know if fixing it for OpenIndiana
>> will also fix it for Solaris 11 Express or for other Illumos forks.
>> (For Linux it's easier to assess these things because so many people
>> in open source use Linux and its many forks.)
>
>
> The official requirement to support a platform is a stable buildbot and a
> core dev to keep the support up:
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0011/#supporting-platforms. Victor has
> asked that the OpenIndiana buildbot be removed from the stable pool as it
> consistently throws MemoryError which means its support is not improving. If
> Trent is willing to maintain a buildbot in a Joyent VM that at least takes
> care of that part, but it still requires Jesus to volunteer to keep the
> support up if it's going to be supported for free. Otherwise Joyent could
> consider contracting with one of the various core devs who happen to be
> consultants to help maintain the support.
>
> At minimum, though, a new buildbot could go into the unstable pool so
> illumos devs can keep an eye on when things break to try and get
> platform-independent changes upstreamed that happen to help illumos (e.g. no
> #ifdef changes specific to illumos, but if something just needed to be made
> more robust and it happens to help illumos that's typically fine).
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Trent Mick <trentm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I work for Joyent (joyent.com) now, which employs a number of devs that
>> > work
>> > on illumos (illumos.org). We also provide cloud infrastructure. Would it
>> > help if we offered one or more instances (VMs) on which to run buildbot
>> > slaves (and on which volunteers for bug fixing could hack)?  I know a
>> > lot of
>> > people in the illumos community would be quite sad to have it dropped as
>> > a
>> > core Python plat.
>> >
>> > Guido,
>> > Yes you are correct that Oracle owns the Solaris brand.
>> >
>> > tl;dr history if you care:
>> > - sunos -> Solaris
>> > - Sun open sources Solaris, called OpenSolaris (2005)
>> > - Oracle acquires Sun and closes Solaris (Aug 2010). Shortly after, the
>> > community forks OpenSolaris and calls it illumos (Sep 2010)
>> > - OpenIndiana is a distro of illumos (somewhat similar to how Ubuntu is
>> > a
>> > distro of Linux). Other distros are SmartOS (the one Joyent works on),
>> > and
>> > OmniOS.
>> > - Oracle continues work on Solaris, releasing "Solaris 11 Express".
>> >
>> > I've no real numbers of usage of illumos vs Solaris 11 vs others.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Trent
>> >
>> > p.s. I hear that Jesus is also in contact with some of the illumos-devs
>> > on
>> > IRC (and perhaps email). I hope we can help there.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
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