[Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes % args and bytes.format(args) to Python 3.5

[Georg Brandl]

Am 11.01.2014 09:43, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> On 11 January 2014 12:28, Ethan Furman <ethan at stoneleaf.us> wrote:
>> On 01/10/2014 06:04 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:53:09 -0500
>>> "Eric V. Smith" <eric at trueblade.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm -1 on the PEP. It doesn't address the cases laid out in issue
>>>> 3892. See for example http://bugs.python.org/issue3982#msg180432 .
>>>
>>>
>>> Then we might as well not do anything, since any attempt to advance
>>> things is met by stubborn opposition in the name of "not far enough".
>>
>>
>> Heh, and here I thought it was stubborn opposition in the name of purity.
>> ;)
> 
> No, it's "the POSIX text model is completely broken and we're not
> letting people bring it back by stealth because they want to stuff
> their esoteric use case back into the builtin data types instead of
> writing their own dedicated type now that the builtin types don't
> handle it any more".
> 
> Yes, we know we changed the text model and knocked wire protocols off
> their favoured perch, and we're (thoroughly) aware of the fact that
> wire protocol developers don't like the fact that the default model
> now strongly favours the vastly more common case of application
> development.
> 
> However, until Benno volunteered to start experimenting with
> implementing an asciistr type yesterday, there have been *zero*
> meaningful attempts at trying to solve the issues with wire protocol
> manipulation outside the Python 3 core

Can we please also include pseudo-binary file formats?  It's not "just"
wire protocols.

Georg