[Python-Dev] Python Library Support in 3.x (Was: email package status in 3.X)

[Arc Riley]

python-commandments.org is owned and hosted by the same person (Allen Short
aka dash aka washort) as pound-python.org which is the "official" website
for #Python and which links to it.

#Python is co-managed by Stephen Thorne (aka Jerub) and Allen Short (aka
dash aka washort).  According to Freenode services, the channel operators
include more than half the active Twisted Matrix developers, including
yourself.  Each of you has had the ability to change the topic at any time.

I may have cast an overly broad net in including you, I don't have IRC logs
to review.  I do remember that you have contributed a great deal of time to
helping people in #Python and that you were fairly active as a channel
operator in #Python when the anti-Py3 rhetoric got started.  Perhaps you can
shine some light on who is actually responsible for promoting this?

I'm sorry if we're in uncomfortable finger-pointing mode, but in the spirit
of critical self-evaluation I think its time we take a long look at who is
actually representing the Python community in operating our primary
community help channel and whether that situation should continue.


On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:28 AM, <exarkun at twistedmatrix.com> wrote:

> On 01:09 pm, arcriley at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>> It is not "critical self-evaluation" to repeat "Python 3 is not ready" as
>> litany in #Python and your supporting website.  I use the word "litany"
>> here
>> because #Python refers users to what appears to be a religious website
>> http://python-commandments.org/python3.html
>>
>
> It's not my website.  I don't own the domain, I don't control the hosting,
> I didn't generate the content, I have no access to change anything on it.
>  I've barely even frequent #python in the last three years.
>
> Perhaps you were directing those comments at Stephen Thorne though
> (although I don't know if he's any more involved in it than I am so don't
> take this as anything but idle speculation).
>
>  I have further witnessed (and even been the other party to) you and other
>> ops in #Python telling package developers, who have clearly said that they
>> are working to port their legacy package to Py3, that "Python 3 is not
>> ready".
>>
>
> I'm not going to condone or condemn events which I didn't observe.
>
> However you've never witnessed me discouraging developers who were actively
> porting software to Python 3 because I've never done it.  I'm sure this was
> an honest mistake and you simply confused me with someone else.
>
>  Besides rally against it what have you, as a Twisted developer, done
>> regarding the Python 3 migration process?
>>
>
> This, however, I find extremely insulting.  I don't answer to you.  The
> only reason I'm replying at all is to correct the two pieces of
> misinformation in your message.
>
> I don't see how this discussion can go anywhere productive, so I'll do my
> best to make this my last post on the subject.  Obviously I made a mistake
> posting to the thread at all.
>
> Jean-Paul
>
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