[Python-Dev] Thoughts fresh after EuroPython

[Georg Brandl]

Am 26.07.2010 23:03, schrieb Tarek Ziadé:
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net> wrote:
> ....
>>> I think we need to improve this: it can be a very frustrating
>>> experience to contribute to PyPI.
>>
>> I did not experience it this way.  On the contrary, I tried to run
>> PyPI locally for testing purposes, but didn't want to compile and
>> run Postgres, so we figured how hard it was to use Sqlite instead.
>> Martin put in quite an effort to make it possible to have a local
>> instance run with an sqlite db, and I could sprint productively on
>> PyPI.
> 
> I wasn't talking about the technical gap. This is improving all the time
> (I've improved the quick wsgi launching script so we could use it
> without dependencies instance).
> 
> I am talking about synchronization and communication e.g. the project
> management.
> 
> For instance, You didn't know that I have started this patch, and
> Martin didn't know
> that you started on your side. :-)

This isn't specific to PyPI though.  I usually don't announce "I'm going
to work on this issue" for a specific Python tracker item, except if I
expect it to take more than a few hours.  The patch in question is really
pretty minor.

>>> Possible improvements:
>>>
>>> - Have a PyPI component at bugs.python.org so all work on bugs/new
>>> features would be known and
>>>   followed by at the same level than other packaging components we
>>> maintain, and that depend on PyPI
>>>   (distutils, distutils2) -- e.g. drop the sourceforge tracker
>>
>> I wouldn't do that -- PyPI is not distributed with Python.  (I'm
>> equally skeptical about Distutils2, but it will at least be part
>> of Python at some point in the future.)
>>
>> I would support a move to a separate bugs.python.org/pypi tracker,
>> however.  Not having to deal with SourceForge is still a good thing.
> 
> My PoV is that PyPI is part of the Python ecosystem we provide.
> The other part is currently in Python (distutils) and can be impacted
> by changes.
> The checkbox for instance, is one atomic change across Python and PyPI,

Sure PyPI is part of the ecosystem.  But so are quite a lot of other tools,
and none of them are tracked in bugs.python.org.  (This is also the case
for the website.)  I'd really like bugs.python.org to remain a tracker for
what we ship as the CPython distribution, and nothing else.  There's enough
content in there already.

Georg

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