[Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library

[Mark Lawrence]

On 11-7-2010 14:52, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Beazley<dave at dabeaz.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
>>>
>>
>> -1000.   From the Python training department, I would like to say that this would be a horrible idea.   Having taught numerous on-site training courses for Python, the one thing that I've learned is that you never know what you're going to get when you show up to teach a course.   More often than not, you're thrown into some training room with a bunch of PCs, operated by someone who doesn't know anything about Python at all, and who had a hard enough time installing it in the first place.    The fact that IDLE comes with Python means that even in such situations, as long as Python has been installed somewhere, there's going to be at least one halfway-reasonable environment for working with it (although I suppose there are some people who would still prefer to use the Windows command shell and Notepad).
>>
>> For what it's worth, I think IDLE works fine as a development environment, despite the fact that it has some flaky bits.    The most annoying issue that I encounter in classes is people starting IDLE by right-clicking on files.  This starts up IDLE without its subprocess and causes all sorts of bizarre problems related to the environment (e.g., restarting, module imports, etc.).  Other than that, it's fine.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>
> Right. IDLE fits a niche. It's never going to be the world's best
> Python development environment but it isn't the worst either, and it's
> worth keeping around.
>
> There clearly are *some* folks who care enough about IDLE to submit
> bug reports and fixes. How about we empower these people by giving at
> least one of them commit privileges? IDLE development has often been
> done by people who aren't otherwise contributing to the core, and we
> surely should trust those folks with commit privileges.
>

Can I take a really big liberty and volunteer Terry Reedy for the job.

Kindest regards.

Mark Lawrence.