[ python-Bugs-1552726 ] Python polls unnecessarily every 0.1 second when interactive

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Bugs item #1552726, was opened at 2006-09-05 10:42
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Category: Python Library
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Richard Boulton (richardb)
Assigned to: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Summary: Python polls unnecessarily every 0.1 second when interactive

Initial Comment:
When python is running an interactive session, and is
idle, it calls "select" with a timeout of 0.1 seconds
repeatedly.  This is intended to allow PyOS_InputHook()
to be called every 0.1 seconds, but happens even if
PyOS_InputHook() isn't being used (ie, is NULL).

To reproduce:
 - start a python session
 - attach to it using strace -p PID
 - observe that python repeatedly

This isn't a significant problem, since it only affects
idle interactive python sessions and uses only a tiny
bit of CPU, but people are whinging about it (though
some appear to be doing so tongue-in-cheek) and it
would be nice to fix it.

The attached patch (against Python-2.5c1) modifies the
readline.c module so that the polling doesn't happen
unless PyOS_InputHook is not NULL.

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>Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2006-09-08 09:12

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That's exactly my setup.  I don't think there is a -dev
package for readline 4.

I do note that READLINE_CALLBACKS is defined in
/usr/include/readline/rlconf.h, but Python's readline.c
doesn't include this file, and none of the readline headers
include it.  So I don't know why you're finding the function!


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Comment By: Richard Boulton (richardb)
Date: 2006-09-08 05:34

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HAVE_READLINE_CALLBACK is defined by configure.in whenever
the readline library on the platform supports the
rl_callback_handler_install() function.  I'm using Ubuntu 
Dapper, and have libreadline 4 and 5 installed (more
precisely, 4.3-18 and 5.1-7build1), but only the -dev
package for 5.1-7build1.  "info readline" describes
rl_callback_handler_install(), and configure.in finds it, so
I'm surprised it wasn't found on akuchling's machine.

I agree that the code looks buggy on platforms in which
signals don't necessarily get delivered to the main thread,
but looks no more buggy with the patch than without.

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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2006-09-07 10:38

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On looking at the readline code, I think this patch makes no
difference to signals.

The code in readline.c for the callbacks looks like this:

has_input = 0;
while (!has_input) {
  ...
  has_input = select.select(rl_input);
}

if (has_input > 0) {read character}
elif (errno == EINTR) {check signals}

So I think that, if a signal is delivered to a thread and
select() in the main thread doesn't return EINTR, the old
code is just as problematic as the code with this patch. 
The (while !has_input) loop doesn't check for signals at all
as an exit condition.

I'm not sure what to do at this point.  I think the new code
is no worse than the old code with regard to signals. Maybe
this loop is buggy w.r.t. to signals, but I don't know how
to test that.


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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2006-09-07 10:17

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HAVE_READLINE_CALLBACK was not defined with readline 5.1 on
Ubuntu Dapper, until I did the configure/CFLAG trick.

I didn't think of a possible interaction with signals, and
will re-open the bug while trying to work up a test case.

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Comment By: Michael Hudson (mwh)
Date: 2006-09-07 10:12

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I'd be cautious about applying this to 2.5: we could end up with the same 
problem currently entertaining python-dev, i.e. a signal gets delivered to a non-
main thread but the main thread is sitting in a select with no timeout so any 
python signal handler doesn't run until the user hits a key.

HAVE_READLINE_CALLBACK is defined when readline is 2.1 *or newer* I think...

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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2006-09-07 10:02

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Recent versions of readline can still support callbacks if
READLINE_CALLBACK is defined, so I could test the patch by
running 'CFLAGS=-DREADLINE_CALLBACK' and re-running configure.

Applied as rev. 51815 to the trunk, so the fix will be in
Python 2.6.  The 2.5 release manager needs to decide if it
should be applied to the 2.5 branch.


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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2006-09-07 09:24

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Original report:
http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/09/02/rfte-python

This is tied to the version of readline being used; the
select code is only used if HAVE_RL_CALLBACK is defined, and
a comment in Python's configure.in claims it's only defined
with readline 2.1.  Current versions of readline are 4.3 and
5.1; are people still using such an ancient version of readline?


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