From doug at doughellmann.com Sat Oct 8 10:54:28 2016 From: doug at doughellmann.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? Message-ID: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com> We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is related to moderating new members asking to join. Should we keep the list active? Doug From bkjones at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 11:01:16 2016 From: bkjones at gmail.com (Brian Jones) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:01:16 -0400 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com> References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure. When I joined, I expected to see more questions from new authors, requests from editors or publishers, etc., but I can't recall any of that really happening, and certainly not over the past couple of years. I thought a list like this could be valuable, but perhaps the community is showing us otherwise. What I *don't* know is how the list is 'marketed'. If there aren't multiple ways to find the list, then this would be expected. I'll admit that I have probably not mentioned this list to anyone in the past couple of years - out of sight out of mind I guess. brian On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is related to moderating new members asking to join. > > Should we keep the list active? > > Doug > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors -- Brian K. Jones My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones From doug at doughellmann.com Sat Oct 8 11:33:31 2016 From: doug at doughellmann.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com> Message-ID: I haven?t done much with marketing lately, because I haven?t had time to focus on making the list an active community. Maybe someone else has more time and interest to do that? Doug > On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Brian Jones wrote: > > I'm not sure. When I joined, I expected to see more questions from new > authors, requests from editors or publishers, etc., but I can't recall > any of that really happening, and certainly not over the past couple > of years. I thought a list like this could be valuable, but perhaps > the community is showing us otherwise. > > What I *don't* know is how the list is 'marketed'. If there aren't > multiple ways to find the list, then this would be expected. I'll > admit that I have probably not mentioned this list to anyone in the > past couple of years - out of sight out of mind I guess. > > brian > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is related to moderating new members asking to join. >> >> Should we keep the list active? >> >> Doug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-authors mailing list >> Python-authors at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > > -- > Brian K. Jones > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones From rbalfanz at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 16:07:49 2016 From: rbalfanz at gmail.com (Ryan Matthew Balfanz) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 13:07:49 -0700 Subject: [Python-authors] Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's not useful (and not even used, in this case), I'm fine with shutting it down. Anyone from here who may interested can find me elsewhere (https://ryanbalfanz.com/, for example). -Ryan On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 9:00 AM, wrote: > Send Python-authors mailing list submissions to > python-authors at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-authors-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-authors-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Python-authors digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. what should we do with this list? (Doug Hellmann) > 2. Re: what should we do with this list? (Brian Jones) > 3. Re: what should we do with this list? (Doug Hellmann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:54:28 -0400 > From: Doug Hellmann > To: Python Authors > Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546 at doughellmann.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced authors > writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been largely > dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing to it. > Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is related to > moderating new members asking to join. > > Should we keep the list active? > > Doug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:01:16 -0400 > From: Brian Jones > To: Doug Hellmann > Cc: Python Authors > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'm not sure. When I joined, I expected to see more questions from new > authors, requests from editors or publishers, etc., but I can't recall > any of that really happening, and certainly not over the past couple > of years. I thought a list like this could be valuable, but perhaps > the community is showing us otherwise. > > What I *don't* know is how the list is 'marketed'. If there aren't > multiple ways to find the list, then this would be expected. I'll > admit that I have probably not mentioned this list to anyone in the > past couple of years - out of sight out of mind I guess. > > brian > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > > We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced > authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been > largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing > to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is > related to moderating new members asking to join. > > > > Should we keep the list active? > > > > Doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Python-authors mailing list > > Python-authors at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > > -- > Brian K. Jones > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:33:31 -0400 > From: Doug Hellmann > To: Python Authors > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I haven?t done much with marketing lately, because I haven?t had time to > focus on making the list an active community. Maybe someone else has more > time and interest to do that? > > Doug > > > On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Brian Jones wrote: > > > > I'm not sure. When I joined, I expected to see more questions from new > > authors, requests from editors or publishers, etc., but I can't recall > > any of that really happening, and certainly not over the past couple > > of years. I thought a list like this could be valuable, but perhaps > > the community is showing us otherwise. > > > > What I *don't* know is how the list is 'marketed'. If there aren't > > multiple ways to find the list, then this would be expected. I'll > > admit that I have probably not mentioned this list to anyone in the > > past couple of years - out of sight out of mind I guess. > > > > brian > > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > >> We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced > authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been > largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing > to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is > related to moderating new members asking to join. > >> > >> Should we keep the list active? > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Python-authors mailing list > >> Python-authors at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian K. Jones > > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com > > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 > ********************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at holdenweb.com Sun Oct 9 06:04:02 2016 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 11:04:02 +0100 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: Remembering my own experiences, I never thought to research whether there were any Python author resources before I started writing "Python Web Programming" all those years ago. I wonder if there's somewhere in the PSF's web presence the list could be effectively marketed. Apart from that it would be interesting to try a monthly tweet along the lines of Thinking about writing a @Python-reltaed book? Contact the #python-authors list at ... But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would probably be better fading away. S Steve Holden On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > I haven?t done much with marketing lately, because I haven?t had time to > focus on making the list an active community. Maybe someone else has more > time and interest to do that? > > Doug > > > On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Brian Jones wrote: > > > > I'm not sure. When I joined, I expected to see more questions from new > > authors, requests from editors or publishers, etc., but I can't recall > > any of that really happening, and certainly not over the past couple > > of years. I thought a list like this could be valuable, but perhaps > > the community is showing us otherwise. > > > > What I *don't* know is how the list is 'marketed'. If there aren't > > multiple ways to find the list, then this would be expected. I'll > > admit that I have probably not mentioned this list to anyone in the > > past couple of years - out of sight out of mind I guess. > > > > brian > > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > >> We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced > authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been > largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing > to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is > related to moderating new members asking to join. > >> > >> Should we keep the list active? > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Python-authors mailing list > >> Python-authors at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian K. Jones > > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com > > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at pythonlibrary.org Mon Oct 10 09:32:23 2016 From: mike at pythonlibrary.org (Mike Driscoll) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:32:23 -0500 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: I think the only question I've ever had has been workflow related. Being a self-published author, I sometimes struggle with how to create all the different formats effectively. I still haven't figured out a good way to streamline adding iBooks to my book formats for example. I have noticed that publishers tend to contact authors directly. But then again, perhaps they just don't know about this list. I don't see anything wrong with trying a monthly tweet as Steve has suggested though. If no one's interested, then this list will fade on its own. - Mike ----------------- Mike Driscoll Blog: http://blog.pythonlibrary.org Books: Python 101 , Python 201: Intermediate Python On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > Remembering my own experiences, I never thought to research whether there > were any Python author resources before I started writing "Python Web > Programming" all those years ago. I wonder if there's somewhere in the > PSF's web presence the list could be effectively marketed. > > Apart from that it would be interesting to try a monthly tweet along the > lines of > > Thinking about writing a @Python-reltaed book? Contact the > #python-authors list at ... > > But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would > probably be better fading away. > > S > > Steve Holden > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > >> I haven?t done much with marketing lately, because I haven?t had time to >> focus on making the list an active community. Maybe someone else has more >> time and interest to do that? >> >> Doug >> >> > On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Brian Jones wrote: >> > >> > I'm not sure. When I joined, I expected to see more questions from new >> > authors, requests from editors or publishers, etc., but I can't recall >> > any of that really happening, and certainly not over the past couple >> > of years. I thought a list like this could be valuable, but perhaps >> > the community is showing us otherwise. >> > >> > What I *don't* know is how the list is 'marketed'. If there aren't >> > multiple ways to find the list, then this would be expected. I'll >> > admit that I have probably not mentioned this list to anyone in the >> > past couple of years - out of sight out of mind I guess. >> > >> > brian >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Doug Hellmann >> wrote: >> >> We started this list back in 2009 as a way for new and experienced >> authors writing about Python to share with each other. The list has been >> largely dormant since then. Many of you may not even remember subscribing >> to it. Most of the traffic I have seen over the last couple of years is >> related to moderating new members asking to join. >> >> >> >> Should we keep the list active? >> >> >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Python-authors mailing list >> >> Python-authors at python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Brian K. Jones >> > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com >> > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-authors mailing list >> Python-authors at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasudevram at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 10:57:37 2016 From: vasudevram at gmail.com (Vasudev Ram) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:27:37 +0530 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: Steve Holden wrote: >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would probably be better fading away. What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it something like other authors on this list being able to help out anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if that is not already done? And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? My 2c. -- Vasudev Ram - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Oct 10 12:19:49 2016 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:19:49 +0100 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next year. O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? regards Steve Steve Holden On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would > probably be better fading away. > > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it > something like other authors on this list being able to help out > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? > > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). > > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if > that is not already done? > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? > > My 2c. > > -- > Vasudev Ram > - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io > > FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bkjones at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 13:58:37 2016 From: bkjones at gmail.com (Brian Jones) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:58:37 -0400 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? I'm working on defining clear goals in the writing space for myself. I'm scattered on multiple personal writing projects, in various stages of completion. One I thought was completed until I reread it and determined it was utter crap, so I'm revising it. Another is a blog that requires a backlog of material. Another is transcribing 32 years of personal journals into some digital format with inline comments from the "today" version of me :) None of my current writing projects are technical (though the blog is about leading technical teams). I'm doing technical *work* in terms of keeping up to speed on various technical fronts, but I'm not to the point of writing about them. I miss that kind of writing, truth be told. I have to say, it's good to see the names of old friends in my inbox again :) brian -- Brian K. Jones My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones From doug at doughellmann.com Mon Oct 10 14:10:20 2016 From: doug at doughellmann.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:10:20 -0400 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: > On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next year. I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new module in that version? > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram > wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would probably be better fading away. > > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it > something like other authors on this list being able to help out > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? > > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). > > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if > that is not already done? > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? > > My 2c. > > -- > Vasudev Ram > - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io > > FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naomi.ceder at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 14:33:41 2016 From: naomi.ceder at gmail.com (Naomi Ceder) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: I'm working on the third edition of The Quick Python Book, with Manning. This time around I'll be adding some comprehension check exercises, and stuff like that. Right now I don't expect to be done until Q1 of 2017, more because of various external stuff than anything in the book. Cheers, Naomi On 10 October 2016 at 13:10, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex > Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in > a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" > documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that > the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next > year. > > > I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work > with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they > still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think > I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new > module in that version? > > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to > delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed > to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we > wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other > time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was > a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But > now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram wrote: > >> Steve Holden wrote: >> >> >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list >> would probably be better fading away. >> >> What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I >> saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of >> emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it >> something like other authors on this list being able to help out >> anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? >> >> (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a >> pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). >> >> But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion >> that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there >> will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. >> That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, >> though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if >> that is not already done? >> And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? >> >> My 2c. >> >> -- >> Vasudev Ram >> - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io >> >> FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > -- Naomi Ceder https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:27:47 2016 From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:27:47 +0000 Subject: [Python-authors] Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually kinda nice to see this mailing list spring to some sort of life. I have been weighing my options in terms of trying to author something Python related, but the subject matter is escaping me. Every time I come across a topic that seems like a winner, I find that book with some other author's name on it on o'Reilly's bookshelf. = / chalmer On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:10 AM wrote: > Send Python-authors mailing list submissions to > python-authors at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-authors-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-authors-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Python-authors digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: what should we do with this list? (Steve Holden) > 2. Re: what should we do with this list? (Brian Jones) > 3. Re: what should we do with this list? (Doug Hellmann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:19:49 +0100 > From: Steve Holden > To: Vasudev Ram > Cc: Doug Hellmann , Python Authors > > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > < > CAMofdRCK2boEhUD2-SpTZ_Ju8c7hHdy09-reZ-2Aou2JwNGC0A at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex > Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in > a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" > documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that > the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next > year. > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to > delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed > to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we > wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other > time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was > a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But > now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business > terms. > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram wrote: > > > Steve Holden wrote: > > > > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list > would > > probably be better fading away. > > > > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I > > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of > > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it > > something like other authors on this list being able to help out > > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? > > > > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a > > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). > > > > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion > > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there > > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. > > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, > > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if > > that is not already done? > > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? > > > > My 2c. > > > > -- > > Vasudev Ram > > - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io > > > > FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-authors/attachments/20161010/1e10b0c2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:58:37 -0400 > From: Brian Jones > To: Steve Holden > Cc: Vasudev Ram , Python Authors > > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > JJKN+AkjqN47n+Z5Ocw3WFSHEf0iF_9qKiDSRyDD4qQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden > wrote: > > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working > on? > > I'm working on defining clear goals in the writing space for myself. > I'm scattered on multiple personal writing projects, in various stages > of completion. One I thought was completed until I reread it and > determined it was utter crap, so I'm revising it. Another is a blog > that requires a backlog of material. Another is transcribing 32 years > of personal journals into some digital format with inline comments > from the "today" version of me :) > > None of my current writing projects are technical (though the blog is > about leading technical teams). I'm doing technical *work* in terms of > keeping up to speed on various technical fronts, but I'm not to the > point of writing about them. I miss that kind of writing, truth be > told. > > I have to say, it's good to see the names of old friends in my inbox again > :) > brian > > -- > Brian K. Jones > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:10:20 -0400 > From: Doug Hellmann > To: Python Authors > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > > > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex > Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in > a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" > documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that > the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next > year. > > I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work > with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they > still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think > I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new > module in that version? > > > > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to > delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed > to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we > wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other > time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was > a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But > now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. > > > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working > on? > > > > regards > > Steve > > > > Steve Holden > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram > wrote: > > Steve Holden wrote: > > > > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list > would probably be better fading away. > > > > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I > > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of > > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it > > something like other authors on this list being able to help out > > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? > > > > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a > > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). > > > > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion > > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there > > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. > > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, > > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if > > that is not already done? > > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? > > > > My 2c. > > > > -- > > Vasudev Ram > > - gumroad.com/vasudevram | > jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io < > http://vasudevram.github.io/> > > > > FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a < > http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-authors/attachments/20161010/0f078960/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4 > ********************************************* > -- Chalmer Lowe, MS PyHawaii Dark Art of Coding Booz Allen Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: If you feel like you have a unique take on it, I recommend exploring options with other publishing houses. If a topic is interesting enough, having competing books on the market isn?t a bad thing. Look at how many ?learn to program? books there are, for example. > On Oct 10, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Chalmer Lowe wrote: > > Actually kinda nice to see this mailing list spring to some sort of life. > > I have been weighing my options in terms of trying to author something Python related, but the subject matter is escaping me. Every time I come across a topic that seems like a winner, I find that book with some other author's name on it on o'Reilly's bookshelf. > > = / > > chalmer > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:10 AM > wrote: > Send Python-authors mailing list submissions to > python-authors at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-authors-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-authors-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Python-authors digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: what should we do with this list? (Steve Holden) > 2. Re: what should we do with this list? (Brian Jones) > 3. Re: what should we do with this list? (Doug Hellmann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:19:49 +0100 > From: Steve Holden > > To: Vasudev Ram > > Cc: Doug Hellmann >, Python Authors > > > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex > Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in > a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" > documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that > the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next > year. > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to > delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed > to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we > wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other > time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was > a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But > now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram > wrote: > > > Steve Holden wrote: > > > > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would > > probably be better fading away. > > > > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I > > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of > > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it > > something like other authors on this list being able to help out > > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? > > > > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a > > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). > > > > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion > > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there > > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. > > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, > > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if > > that is not already done? > > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? > > > > My 2c. > > > > -- > > Vasudev Ram > > - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io > > > > FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:58:37 -0400 > From: Brian Jones > > To: Steve Holden > > Cc: Vasudev Ram >, Python Authors > > > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden > wrote: > > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > I'm working on defining clear goals in the writing space for myself. > I'm scattered on multiple personal writing projects, in various stages > of completion. One I thought was completed until I reread it and > determined it was utter crap, so I'm revising it. Another is a blog > that requires a backlog of material. Another is transcribing 32 years > of personal journals into some digital format with inline comments > from the "today" version of me :) > > None of my current writing projects are technical (though the blog is > about leading technical teams). I'm doing technical *work* in terms of > keeping up to speed on various technical fronts, but I'm not to the > point of writing about them. I miss that kind of writing, truth be > told. > > I have to say, it's good to see the names of old friends in my inbox again :) > brian > > -- > Brian K. Jones > My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com > Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:10:20 -0400 > From: Doug Hellmann > > To: Python Authors > > Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden > wrote: > > > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next year. > > I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new module in that version? > > > > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. > > > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > > > regards > > Steve > > > > Steve Holden > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram >> wrote: > > Steve Holden wrote: > > > > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would probably be better fading away. > > > > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I > > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of > > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it > > something like other authors on this list being able to help out > > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? > > > > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a > > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). > > > > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion > > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there > > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. > > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, > > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if > > that is not already done? > > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? > > > > My 2c. > > > > -- > > Vasudev Ram > > - gumroad.com/vasudevram > | jugad2.blogspot.com > | vasudevram.github.io > > > > > FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4 > ********************************************* > -- > Chalmer Lowe, MS > > PyHawaii > Dark Art of Coding > Booz Allen Hamilton > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: >> So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working >> on? >> >> regards >> Steve >> >> Steve Holden I had a few book ideas and have been doing some writing of bits and pieces of them, to help me settle on one. Once done, will mention it here. -- Vasudev Ram - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Oct 10 16:23:53 2016 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:23:53 +0100 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: Hi Doug, My experience is that there aren't a huge number of changes tot he standard library (and no new modules yet). I don't think you will lose a lot of audience with your decisions. S Steve Holden On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". > > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex > Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in > a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" > documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that > the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next > year. > > > I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work > with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they > still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think > I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new > module in that version? > > > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to > delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed > to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we > wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other > time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was > a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But > now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? > > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram wrote: > >> Steve Holden wrote: >> >> >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list >> would probably be better fading away. >> >> What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I >> saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of >> emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it >> something like other authors on this list being able to help out >> anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? >> >> (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a >> pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). >> >> But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion >> that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there >> will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. >> That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, >> though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if >> that is not already done? >> And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? >> >> My 2c. >> >> -- >> Vasudev Ram >> - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io >> >> FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Oct 10 16:27:38 2016 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:27:38 +0100 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: As far as not-writing work goes, I'm currently the CTO of a fintech startup, which has severely limited the time I've had for writing. If the company doesn't succeed there has to be a book in that! S Steve Holden On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > Hi Doug, > > My experience is that there aren't a huge number of changes tot he > standard library (and no new modules yet). I don't think you will lose a > lot of audience with your decisions. > > S > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > >> >> On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: >> >> Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". >> >> I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex >> Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in >> a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" >> documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that >> the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next >> year. >> >> >> I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work >> with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they >> still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think >> I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new >> module in that version? >> >> >> O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to >> delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed >> to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we >> wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other >> time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was >> a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But >> now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. >> >> So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working >> on? >> >> regards >> Steve >> >> Steve Holden >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram >> wrote: >> >>> Steve Holden wrote: >>> >>> >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list >>> would probably be better fading away. >>> >>> What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I >>> saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of >>> emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it >>> something like other authors on this list being able to help out >>> anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? >>> >>> (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a >>> pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). >>> >>> But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion >>> that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there >>> will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. >>> That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, >>> though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if >>> that is not already done? >>> And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? >>> >>> My 2c. >>> >>> -- >>> Vasudev Ram >>> - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io >>> >>> FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-authors mailing list >> Python-authors at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Oct 10 16:34:16 2016 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:34:16 +0100 Subject: [Python-authors] Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Chalmer Lowe wrote: > Actually kinda nice to see this mailing list spring to some sort of life. > > I have been weighing my options in terms of trying to author something > Python related, but the subject matter is escaping me. Every time I come > across a topic that seems like a winner, I find that book with some other > author's name on it on o'Reilly's bookshelf. > > = / > > Maybe another purpose of the list could be to come up with ideas. I've been something of a fan of Seth Godin in the past, and particularly his suggestion that it's best to give ideas away because anybody half-way creative has so many they can never implement more than a tenth of them. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/09/big-ideas.html will give you a first take and a way in should you be interested. S Steve Holden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasudevram at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:52:47 2016 From: vasudevram at gmail.com (Vasudev Ram) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:22:47 +0530 Subject: [Python-authors] Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: >Maybe another purpose of the list could be to come up with ideas. I've been something of a fan of Seth Godin in the past, and particularly his suggestion that it's best to give ideas away because anybody half-way creative has so many they can never implement more than a tenth of them. Ha ha, good one. I had not read of that from Seth Godin. Had a similar idea myself, around the time I was first starting to blog - in 2005. And as I said in one of my early posts, that is one reason why I started blogging - not exactly because I had a lot of ideas myself, but because I was in the habit of browsing technical sites a lot, and so regularly came across many interesting libraries and other software tools. Knew that I could never have time to try and use all of them (though I have done that with many), so thought of blogging about them so that others can get to know of them and maybe use them for something useful ... From doug at doughellmann.com Mon Oct 10 16:57:03 2016 From: doug at doughellmann.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:57:03 -0400 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: <1CC3FA6A-6795-4B6F-8388-3C5B72FCB6DA@doughellmann.com> > On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > My experience is that there aren't a huge number of changes tot he standard library (and no new modules yet). I don't think you will lose a lot of audience with your decisions. Thanks for the confirmation, Steve! > > S > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > >> On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden > wrote: >> >> Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". >> >> I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next year. > > I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new module in that version? > >> >> O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. >> >> So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? >> >> regards >> Steve >> >> Steve Holden >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram > wrote: >> Steve Holden wrote: >> >> >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would probably be better fading away. >> >> What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I >> saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of >> emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it >> something like other authors on this list being able to help out >> anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? >> >> (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a >> pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). >> >> But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion >> that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there >> will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. >> That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, >> though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if >> that is not already done? >> And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? >> >> My 2c. >> >> -- >> Vasudev Ram >> - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io >> >> FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at pythonlibrary.org Mon Oct 10 16:57:40 2016 From: mike at pythonlibrary.org (Mike Driscoll) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:57:40 -0500 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: I'm working on finishing up a wxPython Cookbook that my blog readers have requested me to do for a number of years. That should be done and published sometime in November or early December. Then I'll be moving on to one on mobile applications, assuming I can figure that out in a timely manner. Mike ----------------- Mike Driscoll Blog: http://blog.pythonlibrary.org Books: Python 101 , Python 201: Intermediate Python On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > As far as not-writing work goes, I'm currently the CTO of a fintech > startup, which has severely limited the time I've had for writing. If the > company doesn't succeed there has to be a book in that! S > > Steve Holden > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > >> Hi Doug, >> >> My experience is that there aren't a huge number of changes tot he >> standard library (and no new modules yet). I don't think you will lose a >> lot of audience with your decisions. >> >> S >> >> Steve Holden >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Doug Hellmann >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden wrote: >>> >>> Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA". >>> >>> I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex >>> Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in >>> a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" >>> documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that >>> the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next >>> year. >>> >>> >>> I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work >>> with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they >>> still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think >>> I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new >>> module in that version? >>> >>> >>> O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to >>> delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed >>> to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we >>> wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other >>> time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was >>> a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But >>> now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms. >>> >>> So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working >>> on? >>> >>> regards >>> Steve >>> >>> Steve Holden >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Steve Holden wrote: >>>> >>>> >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list >>>> would probably be better fading away. >>>> >>>> What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I >>>> saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of >>>> emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it >>>> something like other authors on this list being able to help out >>>> anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice? >>>> >>>> (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a >>>> pity to let the effort of starting it go waste). >>>> >>>> But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion >>>> that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there >>>> will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people. >>>> That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it, >>>> though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if >>>> that is not already done? >>>> And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog? >>>> >>>> My 2c. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Vasudev Ram >>>> - gumroad.com/vasudevram | jugad2.blogspot.com | vasudevram.github.io >>>> >>>> FlyWheel - Managed WordPress Hosting: - http://share.getf.ly/p35s5a >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Python-authors mailing list >>> Python-authors at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Wed Oct 12 16:13:11 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:13:11 -0700 Subject: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list? In-Reply-To: References: <319F8B6C-4A4C-4FC5-95D5-6E18D7F89546@doughellmann.com>

Message-ID: <20161012201311.GA11218@panix.com> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016, Steve Holden wrote: > > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on? Mostly out of Python these days, focusing on learning to be a square dance caller. But if anyone has an interest in picking up _Effective Python_, I'd be happy to turn over what I've done so far in exchange for a small co-author credit (don't care about royalties unless I end up putting in more work). -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...if I were on life-support, I'd rather have it run by a Gameboy than a Windows box." --Cliff Wells, comp.lang.python, 3/13/2002 From partha21 at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 23:33:21 2016 From: partha21 at gmail.com (Ajay Prabandham) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:03:21 +0530 Subject: [Python-authors] Hello, Dear Author Community! Message-ID: Greetings to all! I am Ajay Prabandham, a graduate in Computer Science & Engineering from IIT Bombay 2001 batch. I have worked in the IT industry for around 9 years in a corporate setup. Have been a freelancer developer and small content creator for a couple of startups in the past 4 years. I am interested in writing on technology and programming, and i have recently started learning python, a wonderful language that can be used across computing paradigms. I would like to be a regular contributor to writing and related activities such as review, etc. in a compensated mode. To earn that opportunity, i realize my skill needs to be evaluated. I am willing to provide several articles on topics of your choice to help in the evaluation. I believe writing as i learn is one of the best ways of reinforced learning... looking forward to your response, dear Community! With Thanks & Best Regards, Ajay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at holdenweb.com Wed Oct 26 04:02:04 2016 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:02:04 +0100 Subject: [Python-authors] Hello, Dear Author Community! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ajay, If you have access to the list archives we recently had a brief flurry of "who's up to what" but your message might trigger a few more. I agree that writing forces you to organize your thoughts properly. I am just writing a new section on virtual environments for "Python in a Nutshell" and I fell far better qualified to talk about them now than I was a week ago! Unfortunately this isn't the best list on which to seek compensation - there's no budget here for authoring, and the list denizens are all people who have written and/or are writing about Python. There's always room for more, though. My own suggestion would be to start by looking for sites whose audiences could use a little more information about programming, and offer to write short introductory articles about why you use Python and how it might help the typical reader. Good luck with your writing career! regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:33 AM, Ajay Prabandham wrote: > Greetings to all! I am Ajay Prabandham, a graduate in Computer Science & > Engineering from IIT Bombay 2001 batch. I have worked in the IT industry > for around 9 years in a corporate setup. Have been a freelancer developer > and small content creator for a couple of startups in the past 4 years. > I am interested in writing on technology and programming, > and i have recently started learning python, a wonderful language that can > be used across computing paradigms. I would like to be a regular > contributor to writing and related activities such as review, etc. in a > compensated mode. To earn that opportunity, i realize my skill needs to be > evaluated. I am willing to provide several articles on topics of your > choice to help in the evaluation. > > I believe writing as i learn is one of the best ways of > reinforced learning... looking forward to your response, dear Community! > > With Thanks & Best Regards, > Ajay > > _______________________________________________ > Python-authors mailing list > Python-authors at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-authors > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: