From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jan  1 04:55:40 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 03:55:40 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] getting started with NVDA.
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Svaksha,
>
> The idea seems to be good. One intro session is required I think.

Umm... by "intro session" - did you mean intro to NVDA (which Vardhan
will cover) or intro to the Foss tools like git, trac, irc, etc? I was
planning to take that session in the week prior to the NVDA workshop.


> I would ideally have one session where they explain what NVDA is all about,
> etc.

This will be done in the beginning of the NVDA workshop, so no worries.


> Happy New Year all.

Thanks and Ditto :)

? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com

From sunita_chalam at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  1 07:56:00 2014
From: sunita_chalam at yahoo.com (Sunita)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:56:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] getting started with NVDA.
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Hey Svaksha
Thanks a bunch for this initiative! I'm excited. I've obviously been busy over the holidays but am now slowly getting back to the grind.

Which reminds me - Happy New Year!

:)

I think a session on git/trac/irc would not go amiss but it really depends on the people that sign up. So far amongst the pyLadies group I have yet to see anyone sign up apart from Anu, you and me.
We can maybe announce this on the blog and on Fb/meetup/email group?
More importantly a quick intro from you on the dos and don'ts of contributing to open source (so people don't get disheartened) would be nice I think.

Sunita




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 From: svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com>
To: "PyLadies at Bangalore, India." <pyladies-blr at python.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [PyLadies-BLR] getting started with NVDA.
 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Svaksha,
>
> The idea seems to be good. One intro session is required I think.

Umm... by "intro session" - did you mean intro to NVDA (which Vardhan
will cover) or intro to the Foss tools like git, trac, irc, etc? I was
planning to take that session in the week prior to the NVDA workshop.


> I would ideally have one session where they explain what NVDA is all about,
> etc.

This will be done in the beginning of the NVDA workshop, so no worries.


> Happy New Year all.

Thanks and Ditto :)


? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com
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From sunita_chalam at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  1 07:56:00 2014
From: sunita_chalam at yahoo.com (Sunita)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:56:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] getting started with NVDA.
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Hey Svaksha
Thanks a bunch for this initiative! I'm excited. I've obviously been busy over the holidays but am now slowly getting back to the grind.

Which reminds me - Happy New Year!

:)

I think a session on git/trac/irc would not go amiss but it really depends on the people that sign up. So far amongst the pyLadies group I have yet to see anyone sign up apart from Anu, you and me.
We can maybe announce this on the blog and on Fb/meetup/email group?
More importantly a quick intro from you on the dos and don'ts of contributing to open source (so people don't get disheartened) would be nice I think.

Sunita




________________________________
 From: svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com>
To: "PyLadies at Bangalore, India." <pyladies-blr at python.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [PyLadies-BLR] getting started with NVDA.
 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Svaksha,
>
> The idea seems to be good. One intro session is required I think.

Umm... by "intro session" - did you mean intro to NVDA (which Vardhan
will cover) or intro to the Foss tools like git, trac, irc, etc? I was
planning to take that session in the week prior to the NVDA workshop.


> I would ideally have one session where they explain what NVDA is all about,
> etc.

This will be done in the beginning of the NVDA workshop, so no worries.


> Happy New Year all.

Thanks and Ditto :)


? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 02:33:13 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 01:33:13 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] getting started with NVDA.
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Sunita <sunita_chalam at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Which reminds me - Happy New Year!

Thanks and Ditto :)

> I think a session on git/trac/irc would not go amiss but it really depends
> on the people that sign up. So far amongst the pyLadies group I have yet to
> see anyone sign up apart from Anu, you and me.

I would not bother about the numbers - one is good to go (and we have
more than that :))

> We can maybe announce this on the blog and on Fb/meetup/email group?

Please do. I dont have a facebook account, but I can blog - RL and
being sick pushed this to the backburner.

> More importantly a quick intro from you on the dos and don'ts of
> contributing to open source (so people don't get disheartened) would be nice
> I think.

Done. I'll cover those (and some more) this Saturday (04th) so that we
are prepared in the coming weeks.

ciao, ? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com

From svaksha at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 08:56:55 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 07:56:55 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Saturday: Can you make "Weekly Dojo at CIS"?
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On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:44 AM, PyladiesBangalore <info at meetup.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Saturday
> Weekly Dojo at CIS
> PyladiesBangalore
> Saturday, January 11, 2014
> 11:00 AM

Its 10AM. See https://github.com/svaksha/pyladies-dojo/blob/master/README.mediawiki
Anu,Sunita, can you change this please.
Thanks, ? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com

From svaksha at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 19:51:03 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:51:03 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Fwd: NVDA project- introduction
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Hi Sunita (and anyone interested in contributing to Foss),

FYI, I'm forwarding the NVDA mentors email. They are Vardhan Varma
<vardhanvarma AT gmail>** and Manish Agrawal <manish10 AT gmail>, so
feel free to get in touch with them via the mailing list or email them
directly.

Thanks.
HTH, ? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com

** Obfuscated, add the domain.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Vardhan Varma <999 at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: NVDA project- introduction

Hi Svaksha & Nirmita,

   It's really good that we have some people willing to come on board
for the NVDA
   development.

   Just to get one fact straight .. calling me or Manish a 'NVDA Core
Developer' would
   be a wrong statement.  We are trying to coordinate efforts to
create a team which
   can contribute features useful for users in the Indian
subcontinent. While Manish
   has been associated with NVDA as user and as a developer for a
longer duration,
   I'm only few months old in this.

   Coming to the topic ..which is  .. there is an interest in
contributing to NVDA by certain
   persons  and we want to create a environment in which they can start.

   I'm thinking of things to be done:

    Stage 1:
        (1) We update the wiki page at
http://code.google.com/p/saksham-projects/wiki/InNvdaSource   to make
it usable !
        (2) If needed, I can make screen cast(s)  to explaining stuff.
        (3) We add interested people to the nvda-india-dev google group
        (4) We take some simple tickets and folks start working on them.

     I expect Stage 1 to take the Month of January. We can have IRC / audio conf
     timing pre defined to make this as easy as possible.

    After this stage, I think only serious people will want to keep
going and that will be a
    good time for a hands on session.

    Highly personal opinion follows :
    The NVDA is a strange beast. On one hand, for
    the sighted people it takes a while to get 'hang' of a screen
reader, and on the other
    hand, the particular set of technologies  ( Windows+Python+Office
    Automation+Accessibility etc), makes it rather unattractive to lot
of people. Also,
    last but not the least, it requires  sighted developers to really
    think and analyze from a different perspective .. Manish and Nirmita can
    correct me here .. but I think that's the reason we have been
seeing people leaving
    after a couple of months (  have been there and done that myself
(-: ) , so I'm kind
    of trying to factor in the dropout rate in the plan.

     However if Nirmita & Manish think that we can start with a
hands-on session first,
     I'll be okay to do that  also.

    Does that sound like a plan ?
--
Regards
Vardhan

From svaksha at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 19:53:20 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:53:20 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Fwd: NVDA project- introduction
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FYI.
HTH, ? svaksha ? http://svaksha.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Vardhan Varma <999 at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: NVDA project- introduction


Hi,
  In our list, we have one project, which be a plugin, and so is
essentially a python hacker projects, and doesn
  not involve getting in the NVDA core.
   I've detailed this here:
http://code.google.com/p/saksham-projects/wiki/WIPContextHelp
   ( Manish: Please go thru this, and see if description makes sense.)

  This only requires python hacking, and a little bit of wxwindows.
While it will require some understanding of
how NVDA works ( keybindings, modules etc ), a group of python hackers
can certainly find that out
by reading the NVDA code. ( debugging of NVDA code is not possible, as
it freezes whole windows GUI ).

  Please see if there is a interest in developing this kind of plugin.
  People can first try to do simple plugin, and play with NVDA's
python console to get familiar.

 Also, I think you mentioned a similar comment you got from the NVDA
guys ( regarding developing a plugin ).
 In my opinion, developing plugin for NVDA can be a more satisfying
than developing for core, as the code
 can reach the users faster, and development and positive impact on
users can be much more.


Thanx
Vardhan