From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 14:21:41 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:21:41 +0000
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test
svaksha ? ??????

From svaksha at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 07:12:53 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:12:53 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Hello PyLadies-BLR and Welcome to our newly minted List!

Pycon-IN is fast approaching and I was wondering if any of you who are
attending would be interested in arranging an openspace for one of the
two days - either saturday or sunday. So this is essentially an RFC
-request for comments :)

We also need to decide if we want to have an agenda (the website would
be one Anu?) or keep it free flowing, which time slot will suit us
best given that each of use might be attending some interesting talks,
etc...

Thoughts welcome!

svaksha ? ??????

From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 07:50:58 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:20:58 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Hey Svaksha,

Its a great idea. I had spoken to Anand Chitipothu regarding this and they
were willing to provide a table, space for Pyladies Bangalore at Pycon
India. I am volunteering with Pycon India as a women ambassador or
something like that. Its great idea to have a table and have rfcs coming in.

Everyone, please let us know your thoughts.!

Warm regards,
Annapoornima




On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello PyLadies-BLR and Welcome to our newly minted List!
>
> Pycon-IN is fast approaching and I was wondering if any of you who are
> attending would be interested in arranging an openspace for one of the
> two days - either saturday or sunday. So this is essentially an RFC
> -request for comments :)
>
> We also need to decide if we want to have an agenda (the website would
> be one Anu?) or keep it free flowing, which time slot will suit us
> best given that each of use might be attending some interesting talks,
> etc...
>
> Thoughts welcome!
>
> svaksha ? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> PyLadies-BLR mailing list
> PyLadies-BLR at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr
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From kklindor21 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 07:55:04 2013
From: kklindor21 at gmail.com (Kavita Arora)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:25:04 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Hi Svaksha, Anu and others!

Great to be here - look forward to sharing and learning all about python
with you guys :) I personally will not be going to PyCon this year due to
travel commitments - however I'd be more than willing to help in drafting
up some sort of a manifesto or Group Goals as we go forward.

I know that this may sound a bit far fetched especially since we have all
just come together! But I do believe in initiating some sort of purpose
statement from which we can eventually materialise a tentative calendar of
events. I for one think it may be good to structure meetups around a
particular topic or insight into Python -- how to code effectively, what
can be used where, overview of standard modules, etc.

Just a thought - we can always adapt to whatever the group wants and
decides. Which brings me to my next point - let's have an informal meetup
sometime around the first week of september? I am open to traveling
anywhere in bangalore (provided I don't have to go as far as Nagarbhavi or
Kengeri!) and can coordinate a venue/time/date with everyone so that we can
all meet at a time when its convenient for all :)

hope to meet you all soon!

kavita (9686622681)


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello PyLadies-BLR and Welcome to our newly minted List!
>
> Pycon-IN is fast approaching and I was wondering if any of you who are
> attending would be interested in arranging an openspace for one of the
> two days - either saturday or sunday. So this is essentially an RFC
> -request for comments :)
>
> We also need to decide if we want to have an agenda (the website would
> be one Anu?) or keep it free flowing, which time slot will suit us
> best given that each of use might be attending some interesting talks,
> etc...
>
> Thoughts welcome!
>
> svaksha ? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> PyLadies-BLR mailing list
> PyLadies-BLR at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr
>
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 08:56:10 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 06:56:10 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Hi again,

Anu, nice that you managed to get a table at PyCon-IN :)

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Kavita Arora <kklindor21 at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> events. I for one think it may be good to structure meetups around a
> particular topic or insight into Python -- how to code effectively, what can
> be used where, overview of standard modules, etc.

I agree that it helps to have some structure to meetups but I would
like it to be somewhat free-flowing and not a rigid classroom type
atmosphere where women cannot ask questions. I assume a newbie to
Python would be more interested in learning the language properly by
creating (building) something. This is my personal opinion as I learn
better via practical application and its also why I am volunteering
with Anu - hoping to learn Django properly this time :P

That said, I'd love to resurrect the python-dojo meetups[1] on a
regular basis - it would be an open space for women to collaborate and
even if you miss a single meetup you can always attend next week. With
monthly meets, the disconnect (when you miss a single meet) is very
large and my fun project turns into a drag.

[1] http://svaksha.com/post/2010/Weekly-Python-Dojo-at-Bangalore

What do you all think?


> Just a thought - we can always adapt to whatever the group wants and
> decides. Which brings me to my next point - let's have an informal meetup
> sometime around the first week of september? I am open to traveling anywhere
> in bangalore (provided I don't have to go as far as Nagarbhavi or Kengeri!)
> and can coordinate a venue/time/date with everyone so that we can all meet
> at a time when its convenient for all :)

Since you are not attending the conf, how about a meetup before the
conference? Yeah, Nagarbhavi and Kengeri are unknown areas for me too,
so are you comfortable with Domlur?

The CIS office is located near the Domlur club (iirc) and unlike a
company office (where you need to request permission, etc) they are
open to hosting Foss groups at short notice and its a great place to
meet people with common tech interests. How does the next weekend
(fri, Sat, or Sun) sound?


> kavita (9686622681)

umm... I hope you know that this is a public list ?!

svaksha ? ??????

From svaksha at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 09:02:17 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 07:02:17 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:56 AM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Anu, nice that you managed to get a table at PyCon-IN :)
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Kavita Arora <kklindor21 at gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> events. I for one think it may be good to structure meetups around a
>> particular topic or insight into Python -- how to code effectively, what can
>> be used where, overview of standard modules, etc.
>
> I agree that it helps to have some structure to meetups but I would
> like it to be somewhat free-flowing and not a rigid classroom type
> atmosphere where women cannot ask questions. I assume a newbie to
> Python would be more interested in learning the language properly by
> creating (building) something. This is my personal opinion as I learn
> better via practical application and its also why I am volunteering
> with Anu - hoping to learn Django properly this time :P
>
> That said, I'd love to resurrect the python-dojo meetups[1] on a
> regular basis - it would be an open space for women to collaborate and
> even if you miss a single meetup you can always attend next week. With
> monthly meets, the disconnect (when you miss a single meet) is very
> large and my fun project turns into a drag.
>
> [1] http://svaksha.com/post/2010/Weekly-Python-Dojo-at-Bangalore
>
> What do you all think?
>
>
>> Just a thought - we can always adapt to whatever the group wants and
>> decides. Which brings me to my next point - let's have an informal meetup
>> sometime around the first week of september? I am open to traveling anywhere
>> in bangalore (provided I don't have to go as far as Nagarbhavi or Kengeri!)
>> and can coordinate a venue/time/date with everyone so that we can all meet
>> at a time when its convenient for all :)
>
> Since you are not attending the conf, how about a meetup before the
> conference? Yeah, Nagarbhavi and Kengeri are unknown areas for me too,
> so are you comfortable with Domlur?
>
> The CIS office is located near the Domlur club (iirc) and unlike a
> company office (where you need to request permission, etc) they are
> open to hosting Foss groups at short notice and its a great place to
> meet people with common tech interests. How does the next weekend
> (fri, Sat, or Sun) sound?
>
>
>> kavita (9686622681)
>
> umm... I hope you know that this is a public list ?!
>
> svaksha ? ??????

I forgot to add that if we have a meet next week and if we have any
speakers we could listen to them present (IF they want to get
feedback.). Public speaking at confs can be a scary experience and
this will give them some practice.

svaksha ? ??????

From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 10:16:53 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:46:53 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Hi All,

I am with Svaksha for the free, friendly, informal, Python dojos. We
"should" meet for that.

I intend to hold online sessions for those who cannot meet in person..
Structuring overview of modules, like Kavita herself states, far fetched. I
will be concerned if the overview of modules becomes more like a company
following coding processes, etc. The intention of Pyladies Bangalore is
make learning fun. Super fun. I dont know something, I ask. When others
ask, I tell them what I know. Thats should be the mantra. And it will be **
the** mantra of Pyladies Bangalore.

There is already a thriving python community within Bangalore. What is the
percentage of women attending the meetings? I counted the number of ladies
that were in the group. 20 out of 570 so Python members is hardly anything.
Like saying, almost equal to zero. Out of 20, 3 were recruiters. More sad
news for women. Not to mention that there are so many married, working
women who might prefer online meetings without having to spend time of the
roads. I want to address that as well.

I think that the barriers that exist for women to take up programming are
different than those that exist for men. Specially this is the case, in an
society like India where there is a disquieting gap between men and women
*still*. I intend to bridge that gap from my side.

CIS is a great place to be!

Regards,
Annapoornima

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:56 AM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Anu, nice that you managed to get a table at PyCon-IN :)
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Kavita Arora <kklindor21 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> events. I for one think it may be good to structure meetups around a
> >> particular topic or insight into Python -- how to code effectively,
> what can
> >> be used where, overview of standard modules, etc.
> >
> > I agree that it helps to have some structure to meetups but I would
> > like it to be somewhat free-flowing and not a rigid classroom type
> > atmosphere where women cannot ask questions. I assume a newbie to
> > Python would be more interested in learning the language properly by
> > creating (building) something. This is my personal opinion as I learn
> > better via practical application and its also why I am volunteering
> > with Anu - hoping to learn Django properly this time :P
> >
> > That said, I'd love to resurrect the python-dojo meetups[1] on a
> > regular basis - it would be an open space for women to collaborate and
> > even if you miss a single meetup you can always attend next week. With
> > monthly meets, the disconnect (when you miss a single meet) is very
> > large and my fun project turns into a drag.
> >
> > [1] http://svaksha.com/post/2010/Weekly-Python-Dojo-at-Bangalore
> >
> > What do you all think?
> >
> >
> >> Just a thought - we can always adapt to whatever the group wants and
> >> decides. Which brings me to my next point - let's have an informal
> meetup
> >> sometime around the first week of september? I am open to traveling
> anywhere
> >> in bangalore (provided I don't have to go as far as Nagarbhavi or
> Kengeri!)
> >> and can coordinate a venue/time/date with everyone so that we can all
> meet
> >> at a time when its convenient for all :)
> >
> > Since you are not attending the conf, how about a meetup before the
> > conference? Yeah, Nagarbhavi and Kengeri are unknown areas for me too,
> > so are you comfortable with Domlur?
> >
> > The CIS office is located near the Domlur club (iirc) and unlike a
> > company office (where you need to request permission, etc) they are
> > open to hosting Foss groups at short notice and its a great place to
> > meet people with common tech interests. How does the next weekend
> > (fri, Sat, or Sun) sound?
> >
> >
> >> kavita (9686622681)
> >
> > umm... I hope you know that this is a public list ?!
> >
> > svaksha ? ??????
>
> I forgot to add that if we have a meet next week and if we have any
> speakers we could listen to them present (IF they want to get
> feedback.). Public speaking at confs can be a scary experience and
> this will give them some practice.
>
> svaksha ? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> PyLadies-BLR mailing list
> PyLadies-BLR at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr
>
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 11:23:00 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:23:00 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I intend to hold online sessions for those who cannot meet in person..

+1. Should we get an IRC channel or should we use #pyladies <-- I dont
know if it is logged publicly and I am not sure how comfortable other
women will be about asking questions. IME, the people there are very
friendly and encouraging. Initially, since our community is fledgling,
I think it will be advantageous if we use the collective wisdom of
#pyladies. I am open to other suggestions too and if everyone feels we
must have our own irc channel, just say so.


> Structuring overview of modules, like Kavita herself states, far fetched. I
> will be concerned if the overview of modules becomes more like a company
> following coding processes, etc. The intention of Pyladies Bangalore is make
> learning fun. Super fun. I dont know something, I ask. When others ask, I
> tell them what I know. Thats should be the mantra. And it will be *the*
> mantra of Pyladies Bangalore.

I agree. If we keep a rigid teacher-student model the learning process
is boringly slow. Nobody knows everything and Everyone is a learner.


> There is already a thriving python community within Bangalore. What is the
> percentage of women attending the meetings? I counted the number of ladies
> that were in the group. 20 out of 570 so Python members is hardly anything.
> Like saying, almost equal to zero. Out of 20, 3 were recruiters. More sad

Is this the monthly python meetings you are talking about? I wonder if
all the 20 women actually showed up all together at the same meet.
That would be great, but I've heard its mostly women working in the
offices where its held who attend. Dunno, as its held at a place that
is around 20 km (one-way) away and I dont fancy a 3-hour commute for a
1-hour meetup.


> news for women. Not to mention that there are so many married, working women
> who might prefer online meetings without having to spend time of the roads.
> I want to address that as well.

Exactly. Not to mention, that I prefer something practical, say
workshops or sprints, over talks.


> I think that the barriers that exist for women to take up programming are
> different than those that exist for men. Specially this is the case, in an
> society like India where there is a disquieting gap between men and women
> *still*. I intend to bridge that gap from my side.
>
> CIS is a great place to be!

Sounds good Anu, feel free to fix something up for this weekend (Fri,
Sat or Sunday) at CIS. Kavita, is that ok for you?

- svaksha ? ??????

From anjaligg at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 11:25:59 2013
From: anjaligg at gmail.com (Geetanjali G Gubbewad)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 02:25:59 -0700
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
Message-ID: <-2279021213014056567@unknownmsgid>

+1 for IRC. But I'd still suggest we should meet and work.

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: svaksha
Sent: 17-08-2013 14:53
To: PyLadies at Bangalore, India.
Subject: Re: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I intend to hold online sessions for those who cannot meet in person..

+1. Should we get an IRC channel or should we use #pyladies <-- I dont
know if it is logged publicly and I am not sure how comfortable other
women will be about asking questions. IME, the people there are very
friendly and encouraging. Initially, since our community is fledgling,
I think it will be advantageous if we use the collective wisdom of
#pyladies. I am open to other suggestions too and if everyone feels we
must have our own irc channel, just say so.


> Structuring overview of modules, like Kavita herself states, far fetched. I
> will be concerned if the overview of modules becomes more like a company
> following coding processes, etc. The intention of Pyladies Bangalore is make
> learning fun. Super fun. I dont know something, I ask. When others ask, I
> tell them what I know. Thats should be the mantra. And it will be *the*
> mantra of Pyladies Bangalore.

I agree. If we keep a rigid teacher-student model the learning process
is boringly slow. Nobody knows everything and Everyone is a learner.


> There is already a thriving python community within Bangalore. What is the
> percentage of women attending the meetings? I counted the number of ladies
> that were in the group. 20 out of 570 so Python members is hardly anything.
> Like saying, almost equal to zero. Out of 20, 3 were recruiters. More sad

Is this the monthly python meetings you are talking about? I wonder if
all the 20 women actually showed up all together at the same meet.
That would be great, but I've heard its mostly women working in the
offices where its held who attend. Dunno, as its held at a place that
is around 20 km (one-way) away and I dont fancy a 3-hour commute for a
1-hour meetup.


> news for women. Not to mention that there are so many married, working women
> who might prefer online meetings without having to spend time of the roads.
> I want to address that as well.

Exactly. Not to mention, that I prefer something practical, say
workshops or sprints, over talks.


> I think that the barriers that exist for women to take up programming are
> different than those that exist for men. Specially this is the case, in an
> society like India where there is a disquieting gap between men and women
> *still*. I intend to bridge that gap from my side.
>
> CIS is a great place to be!

Sounds good Anu, feel free to fix something up for this weekend (Fri,
Sat or Sunday) at CIS. Kavita, is that ok for you?

- svaksha ? ??????
_______________________________________________
PyLadies-BLR mailing list
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From kklindor21 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 16:18:19 2013
From: kklindor21 at gmail.com (Kavita Arora)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:48:19 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Yes all - CIS is fine for me!!! I practically visit CIS every weekend for
some event or another! It was Anu who stated that there were a few members
on this list who preferred not to travel! Hence the "flexibility" to meet
in different areas.

To be honest, I now feel a bit hesitant to attend these meetups just
because I feel perhaps this forum and the main drivers are not very open to
suggestions. I never stated I explicitly wanted to induce a classroom
atmosphere! I only meant to suggest that we hold a theme or focus our
meetups around a particular set of ideas so that we gained from the
experience -- I've been to a lot of hackathons (organized some myself) and
realized that most of them lacked that community feel because they had no
agenda, no direction and no creativity applied. Hence my hesitation against
"simply meeting up and sitting and coding".

I guess I speak for myself, but I'm just a beginner trying to find my way
in the world of python, and I thought this was a community for ppl like me
who want to come forward, learn new things, and in turn teach new things to
people who are also trying to grasp the language. I feel perhaps this forum
or group is a tad too advanced - and it might be a burden on the forum to
support ppl like me! I don't want to impose on anyone - so I guess until
you guys are more open to accepting a more diverse group of women -- I
think I may perhaps bow out for the time being and let you guys get on! I
don't mean to be rude - I just don't think my participation will be of
value to the group -- you guys seem to be pretty well off, and think you
can do a great job.

good luck carrying this forward!

thanks again for reaching out Anu, but I don't think this group is for me :(

Kavita

ps. Svaksha - I do no that this is a public group and I shared my digits
with the intent to reach out to ppl and get to know you all. I guess it was
not appreciated!


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Geetanjali G Gubbewad
<anjaligg at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1 for IRC. But I'd still suggest we should meet and work.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> From: svaksha
> Sent: 17-08-2013 14:53
> To: PyLadies at Bangalore, India.
> Subject: Re: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I intend to hold online sessions for those who cannot meet in person..
>
> +1. Should we get an IRC channel or should we use #pyladies <-- I dont
> know if it is logged publicly and I am not sure how comfortable other
> women will be about asking questions. IME, the people there are very
> friendly and encouraging. Initially, since our community is fledgling,
> I think it will be advantageous if we use the collective wisdom of
> #pyladies. I am open to other suggestions too and if everyone feels we
> must have our own irc channel, just say so.
>
>
> > Structuring overview of modules, like Kavita herself states, far
> fetched. I
> > will be concerned if the overview of modules becomes more like a company
> > following coding processes, etc. The intention of Pyladies Bangalore is
> make
> > learning fun. Super fun. I dont know something, I ask. When others ask, I
> > tell them what I know. Thats should be the mantra. And it will be *the*
> > mantra of Pyladies Bangalore.
>
> I agree. If we keep a rigid teacher-student model the learning process
> is boringly slow. Nobody knows everything and Everyone is a learner.
>
>
> > There is already a thriving python community within Bangalore. What is
> the
> > percentage of women attending the meetings? I counted the number of
> ladies
> > that were in the group. 20 out of 570 so Python members is hardly
> anything.
> > Like saying, almost equal to zero. Out of 20, 3 were recruiters. More sad
>
> Is this the monthly python meetings you are talking about? I wonder if
> all the 20 women actually showed up all together at the same meet.
> That would be great, but I've heard its mostly women working in the
> offices where its held who attend. Dunno, as its held at a place that
> is around 20 km (one-way) away and I dont fancy a 3-hour commute for a
> 1-hour meetup.
>
>
> > news for women. Not to mention that there are so many married, working
> women
> > who might prefer online meetings without having to spend time of the
> roads.
> > I want to address that as well.
>
> Exactly. Not to mention, that I prefer something practical, say
> workshops or sprints, over talks.
>
>
> > I think that the barriers that exist for women to take up programming are
> > different than those that exist for men. Specially this is the case, in
> an
> > society like India where there is a disquieting gap between men and women
> > *still*. I intend to bridge that gap from my side.
> >
> > CIS is a great place to be!
>
> Sounds good Anu, feel free to fix something up for this weekend (Fri,
> Sat or Sunday) at CIS. Kavita, is that ok for you?
>
> - svaksha ? ??????
> _______________________________________________
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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 17:01:51 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:31:51 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Dear Kavita,

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Kavita Arora <kklindor21 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes all - CIS is fine for me!!! I practically visit CIS every weekend for
> some event or another! It was Anu who stated that there were a few members
> on this list who preferred not to travel! Hence the "flexibility" to meet
> in different areas.
>
> I did say traveling was difficult. But then I was OK with meeting you at
CIS.


> To be honest, I now feel a bit hesitant to attend these meetups just
> because I feel perhaps this forum and the main drivers are not very open to
> suggestions. I never stated I explicitly wanted to induce a classroom
> atmosphere! I only meant to suggest that we hold a theme or focus our
> meetups around a particular set of ideas so that we gained from the
> experience -- I've been to a lot of hackathons (organized some myself) and
> realized that most of them lacked that community feel because they had no
> agenda, no direction and no creativity applied. Hence my hesitation against
> "simply meeting up and sitting and coding".
>
> I believe as a community we need to learn from each other. The only way we
can achieve anything is by appreciating each others efforts. And trying to
work together. You are still welcome to be a part of Pyladies Bangalore.
You will always be. You are free to express your opinions and your opinions
will be considered by Pyladies Bangalore. Acting upon them will be at the
discretion of all the members. A consensus will be taken amongst all the
members.


> I guess I speak for myself, but I'm just a beginner trying to find my way
> in the world of python, and I thought this was a community for ppl like me
> who want to come forward, learn new things, and in turn teach new things to
> people who are also trying to grasp the language. I feel perhaps this forum
> or group is a tad too advanced - and it might be a burden on the forum to
> support ppl like me! I don't want to impose on anyone - so I guess until
> you guys are more open to accepting a more diverse group of women -- I
> think I may perhaps bow out for the time being and let you guys get on! I
> don't mean to be rude - I just don't think my participation will be of
> value to the group -- you guys seem to be pretty well off, and think you
> can do a great job.
>

Thank you for letting us know your opinions. Honest, and straightforward.
Its wonderful to have someone like that.  But I beg to differ on your
opinions. Now, Pyladies Bangalore chapter is growing strong. I mean it.

Just one question here, did you drop organizing a hackathon just because
you did not find something according to your taste? Just wondering. As for
Pyladies Bangalore is concerned, I will never let it go down. No matter
where I am, I will strive for it.


> good luck carrying this forward!
>
> thanks again for reaching out Anu, but I don't think this group is for me
> :(
>

Thanks, anybody wishes well for Pyladies Bangalore is my friend and thanks
for that. I hope I will see you again at Pyladies Bangalore. You must
believe in gaining from the community, if thats not the case, thats fine
too. It was nice knowing you.

>
> Kavita
>
> ps. Svaksha - I do no that this is a public group and I shared my digits
> with the intent to reach out to ppl and get to know you all. I guess it was
> not appreciated!
>

I appreciate that you have been to several hackathons and learned a lot
from organizing them. We are no hurry to be anywhere. The most important
goal that I see right now is to increase faith in women who have never
coded, who have left coding, etc that they can still code. That should
instill their confidence.

Thanks and regards,
Annapoornima
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 18:39:15 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:39:15 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [rfc] openspace for PyLadies-BLR at PyCon-IN
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Hi Kavita,

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Kavita Arora <kklindor21 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes all - CIS is fine for me!!! I practically visit CIS every weekend for
> some event or another! It was Anu who stated that there were a few members

That is awesome. I hope to meet you there over the weekend when Anu
fixes a date/time. Feel free to suggest one yourself.


> To be honest, I now feel a bit hesitant to attend these meetups just because
> I feel perhaps this forum and the main drivers are not very open to
> suggestions. I never stated I explicitly wanted to induce a classroom
> atmosphere! I only meant to suggest that we hold a theme or focus our

Hey, it was'nt personal and I hope I have not offended you. It was a
discussion and its very common for people in online groups to come up
with suggestions and alternatives which may be countered by others. We
want more vocal women like you to articulate their ideas and take it
forward as Foss is all about collaboration, so feel free to attend and
push your ideas forward.



> meetups around a particular set of ideas so that we gained from the
> experience -- I've been to a lot of hackathons (organized some myself) and
> realized that most of them lacked that community feel because they had no
> agenda, no direction and no creativity applied. Hence my hesitation against
> "simply meeting up and sitting and coding".

I think I get what you are saying (somewhat) but I may be mistaken. It
would be great if you can attend this weekend and explain/show us what
you mean. Perhaps some slides from the previous hackathons you
organised?


> I guess I speak for myself, but I'm just a beginner trying to find my way in
> the world of python, and I thought this was a community for ppl like me who
> want to come forward, learn new things, and in turn teach new things to
> people who are also trying to grasp the language. I feel perhaps this forum
> or group is a tad too advanced - and it might be a burden on the forum to
> support ppl like me! I don't want to impose on anyone - so I guess until you
> guys are more open to accepting a more diverse group of women -- I think I
> may perhaps bow out for the time being and let you guys get on! I don't mean
> to be rude - I just don't think my participation will be of value to the
> group -- you guys seem to be pretty well off, and think you can do a great
> job.

Diversity is welcome and you are welcome too. TBH, we are not very
different from you, and I hope you wont be offended if I say I
disagree that we are an advanced group. Speaking for myself, I dont
know Django properly and I've been wanting to learn it for a long time
now, so that definitely makes me a beginner.


> good luck carrying this forward!
>
> thanks again for reaching out Anu, but I don't think this group is for me :(
>
> Kavita
>
> ps. Svaksha - I do no that this is a public group and I shared my digits
> with the intent to reach out to ppl and get to know you all. I guess it was
> not appreciated!

Kavita, I was worried from the perspective of you being harassed.
Sometimes people unknowingly give out numbers and regret it and ask
the admins to delete it. I appreciate your enthusiasm and do realise
that others have different limits. Maybe I'm just old fashioned about
privacy :)

svaksha ? ??????

From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 10:44:46 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:14:46 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Weekly Meeting 21st Aug 2013 Wednesday 5:00 pm
Message-ID: <CAALSmCy2nrdfi5GtLU2b_gvFxZD5=yR=Hi1YKKddO0H9ea61cg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

Kavita and I have decided to meet on Wednesday around 5:00 pm at Centre for
Internet and Society.

I am meeting five other friends of mine before that. If other people are
willing to join, I might bring some of them with me.

@Geetanjali, Svaksha, Is that ok with you?

Anyone else on the list that I am missing out? Please reply and let us all
know your concerns. Please suggest better timings and place if its not
convenient.

Warm regards,
Annapoornima
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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 21:07:32 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:37:32 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Fwd: [PyLadies Orgzrs] TESTING: Discussion Forum
In-Reply-To: <6DE1F865-DCA4-4B84-9673-103038532ECA@lynnroot.com>
References: <6DE1F865-DCA4-4B84-9673-103038532ECA@lynnroot.com>
Message-ID: <CAALSmCz5G=_0PvinbNMtjGwwtMe7OC49u_mEWMLvy7AEHw2K4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Forwarding message from Pyladies!



I pushed http://moot.it to pyladies.com to try out discussion forums for
our site.  I've heard multiple complaints that Meetup.com's forums are not
very friendly.

Try it out: http://discuss.pyladies.com  You'll have to join to post, but I
believe that anyone can read it postings.

Please let me know if you'd like to be an administrator of this.

Let me know your feedback on this - if you think it would add value to
PyLadies globally (perhaps reach folks that do not have local chapters and
such), or if you think it will flop, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Feel free to promote and solicit feedback!

LR
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 05:03:17 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:03:17 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Weekly Meeting 21st Aug 2013 Wednesday 5:00 pm
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Hi, This weekend came with a lot of changes but I'll try and make it.
Will chat more on 21/8.
svaksha ? ??????


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Kavita and I have decided to meet on Wednesday around 5:00 pm at Centre for
> Internet and Society.
>
> I am meeting five other friends of mine before that. If other people are
> willing to join, I might bring some of them with me.
>
> @Geetanjali, Svaksha, Is that ok with you?
>
> Anyone else on the list that I am missing out? Please reply and let us all
> know your concerns. Please suggest better timings and place if its not
> convenient.
>
> Warm regards,
> Annapoornima
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyLadies-BLR mailing list
> PyLadies-BLR at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr
>

From a.koppad at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 20:46:39 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:16:39 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Weekly Meeting 21st Aug 2013 Wednesday 5:00 pm
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG_uGQPKmfUGSA+rLzs98AWrKzsTQx0jZFfLpqLR1jHE2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAALSmCy2nrdfi5GtLU2b_gvFxZD5=yR=Hi1YKKddO0H9ea61cg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAALSmCwBrjSaGpGHS7U_wKFY0J3Fk_UU+gfA=zFTStBOYrdrZg@mail.gmail.com>

A gently remainder, we are meeting tomorrow at  5:00 pm.

#194, 2nd C Cross,, Domlur 2nd Stage  Bangalore, KA 560071
080 4092 6283

Thanks and regards,

Annapoornima


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:33 AM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, This weekend came with a lot of changes but I'll try and make it.
> Will chat more on 21/8.
> svaksha ? ??????
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Kavita and I have decided to meet on Wednesday around 5:00 pm at Centre
> for
> > Internet and Society.
> >
> > I am meeting five other friends of mine before that. If other people are
> > willing to join, I might bring some of them with me.
> >
> > @Geetanjali, Svaksha, Is that ok with you?
> >
> > Anyone else on the list that I am missing out? Please reply and let us
> all
> > know your concerns. Please suggest better timings and place if its not
> > convenient.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Annapoornima
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PyLadies-BLR mailing list
> > PyLadies-BLR at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 17:38:30 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:08:30 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Minutes of Meeting, Wednesday 21 August.
Message-ID: <CAALSmCy9vikHFCrm+nrp1p0c9uj-gmicdWh6yvtWqEOSvpMGBw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

Svaksha and I met for the weekly meeting. Kavita had a last minute meeting
at her office and could not meet. Here are the minutes of the meeting.

1. Weekly Python Dojo will be held. - Here we will help each other. This
can done online or in person. Depends on the convenience of the members. We
could learn to  hack on python projects. No question is stupid. Just dont
troll each other..:)

2. I am planning to hold an online session for Python installation,
Introduction to Python, etc. Everyone is welcome to join.

3. I have started writing code for pyladies/blog on github. I will upload
the code to pyladies github account quite soon. People can contribute as
much as possible from their side.

Any one wants do anything else. Please feel free to suggest and go ahead
and do it.

Thanks and regards,
Annapoornima
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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 10:04:28 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:34:28 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Fwd: [BangPypers] Pyladies Bangalore
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Date: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Pyladies Bangalore
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Hi Annapoornima,


On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:04 PM, Annapoornima Koppad wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I recently started the Pyladies Bangalore chapter. I wanted to know
> how many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users
> group. I will be really interested in the numbers in terms of,
>
> 1. How many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users
> group? 2. How many are active in attending the Bangalore meetups?
> 3. How much is the participation of these women for any of
> Bangalore Python outreach activities. 4. Of the active members, how
> many have been active in producing good quality talks, workshops,
> etc.
>
> I did a little bit of research before deciding to email the group
> here. There are 570 members on the Bangalore Python user groups. Of
> which 20 are ladies. Of the 20 number, 3 are recruiters. This
> number is really disconcerting to me. Am I missing out some people
> here? This is leading me to ask these questions.
>

Thanks for your initiative. It is welcome.

However your numbers are a bit off. I just checked the mailman admin
interface and mailman tells me there are 1104 members in total. Your
number of 570 is roughly 50% off.


There is of course no way to classify it by gender as mailman doesn't
ask this information. So no idea how you figured out the number of
ladies and the recruiters. Would be useful to know.

> 1. How many women really attend workshops/meetups? 2. Are there any
> efforts to understand the problems associated with the poor
> attendance of women? 3. Aren't there any women who want to learn
> Python but are too afraid to ask questions. What is being done to
> address these problems?
>

I suggest to create a survey for this at a say like surveymonkey or
surveyreport and send the survey to the mailing list, with these
questions. That would be the best way to collect your data.

Let the admins know if we can help in some way.

> That said, I am attaching the links to Pyladies Bangalore.
[...]

>
> Annapoornima Koppad
> _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing
> list BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


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- --Anand

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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 10:03:45 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:33:45 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Fwd: Pyladies Bangalore
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Dear All,

I thought that the pyladies community should be aware of the ongoing talks
between other groups and this group. here is the latest one!

Regards,
Anu


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From: Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM
Subject: Pyladies Bangalore
To: bangpypers at python.org


Dear All,

I recently started the Pyladies Bangalore chapter. I wanted to know how
many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users group. I will be
really interested in the numbers in terms of,

1. How many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users group?
2. How many are active in attending the Bangalore meetups?
3. How much is the participation of these women for any of Bangalore Python
outreach activities.
4. Of the active members, how many have been active in producing good
quality talks, workshops, etc.

I did a little bit of research before deciding to email the group here.
There are 570 members on the Bangalore Python user groups. Of which 20 are
ladies. Of the 20 number, 3 are recruiters. This number is really
disconcerting to me. Am I missing out some people here? This is leading me
to ask these questions.

1. How many women really attend workshops/meetups?
2. Are there any efforts to understand the problems associated with the
poor attendance of women?
3. Aren't there any women who want to learn Python but are too afraid to
ask questions. What is being done to address these problems?

That said, I am attaching the links to Pyladies Bangalore.

While I want to keep this community pro-woman, I am not restricting it to
women alone. I would really appreciate if there are men willing to come
forward to help, and build this community. Apart from a few concerns (which
I am sure everyone would understand), this community is open to men as
well. Even if you are not a programmer, have never coded a single line,
this community still welcomes you to be a part of it and will try to help
you learn.  If you are an ace programmer, I would be really glad host a
couple of talks wherein you could inspire other people to take up coding.
Perhaps you could talk about your office work, thesis work, etc.

Here are the links to Pyladies Bangalore chapter.

http://www.meetup.com/PyladiesBangalore

https://www.facebook.com/pyladies.bangalore

https://twitter.com/pyladiesblore

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr

Please feel free to circulate this email to friends in your circle. Any
kind of participation is welcome.

Thanks and regards,

Annapoornima Koppad
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 10:47:09 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:47:09 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [BangPypers] Pyladies Bangalore
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References: <CAALSmCxSoR2fk0XYLx=S_g1yqY7=LSJqvZZ7cvLpiv8-tHrjuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN9ztG_byVfi45h9DkRxhTCD5pCkO270QwuE--4h3FhAQsW_8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAALSmCwYvJN8AC20=+XieMVGo4RA60SFVC_rcs4_A3P-EPgB+A@mail.gmail.com>
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Moved the discussion to PyLadies-BLR.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey Svaksha,
>
> Finally a lady on the list.
>
> Thanks to that, your comments are great. I totally agree with most of your
> comments.
>
> Regarding surveys, I would have one request though. I dont want multiple
> entries from one person. We should have some weening out process to remove
> duplicate entries. It also ensures that miscreants are not adding up their
> names to thwart the data or show misleading numbers. The other details, we
> should not really be worried at all. We need to brainstorm more on this.

I understand your concern and agree that stuffing data will be
counter-productive. Here is one idea, what if you kept the email field
mandatory - its one way of ensuring you have a unique key.

Ofcourse, its entirely possible for anyone to get any id from a free
mail provider, but I feel such cases would be minimal. There was
something for this in Statistics - let me see if I can find it.

svaksha ? ??????


>
> Let us discuss this on the Pyladies Bangalore list.
>
> Thanks all for the support.
>
> Warm regards,
> Annapoornima
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:27 PM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Annapoornima Koppad
>> <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > I recently started the Pyladies Bangalore chapter. I wanted to know how
>>
>> Thank you. Its been a long wait :)
>>
>> > many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users group. I will
>> > be
>> > really interested in the numbers in terms of,
>> >
>> > 1. How many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users group?
>>
>> /me waves. I've had brief trysts with other languages, but I prefer
>> Python since the last few years.
>>
>>
>> > 2. How many are active in attending the Bangalore meetups?
>>
>> I never have attended, either because the topic was not what I was
>> interested in, or because the meetup time/location is inconvenient
>> (read, too much travel time). That said, I try to avoid talks (unless
>> the talk is about something I absolutely want to learn); much
>> preferring the practical form - workshops.
>>
>>
>> > 3. How much is the participation of these women for any of Bangalore
>> > Python
>> > outreach activities.
>>
>> I tried replicating the Python dojos concept from a talk I heard at
>> Pycon. I got a lot of support online, but then realised the ground
>> realities in India are different, and the effort died as quietly as it
>> began, http://svaksha.com/post/2010/Weekly-Python-Dojo-at-Bangalore
>>
>>
>> > 4. Of the active members, how many have been active in producing good
>> > quality talks, workshops, etc.
>>
>> Never spoken locally as I dont know if there is any interest in
>> scientific topics. IIRC, most of the list posting are web-related
>> topics.
>>
>> I've spoken at PyconCA and for two years in a row my Pycon talk
>> submissions were converted into poster sessions; but I had to withdraw
>> due to insufficient travel funding. (yes, I'm aware of the FA, applied
>> and was granted partial funding). Last year, I organized a Pandas
>> workshop (this while I've never used it, but later worked with it)
>> which was funded by the PSF, and the day-long event was covered by the
>> CoC too. Had fun :)
>>
>>
>>
>> > I did a little bit of research before deciding to email the group here.
>> > There are 570 members on the Bangalore Python user groups. Of which 20
>> > are
>> > ladies. Of the 20 number, 3 are recruiters. This number is really
>> > disconcerting to me. Am I missing out some people here? This is leading
>> > me
>> > to ask these questions.
>> >
>> > 1. How many women really attend workshops/meetups?
>> > 2. Are there any efforts to understand the problems associated with the
>> > poor attendance of women?
>> > 3. Aren't there any women who want to learn Python but are too afraid to
>> > ask questions. What is being done to address these problems?
>>
>> A survey would be nice as it would help the Bangpypers and meetup
>> organizers understand the other half. I have two suggestions:
>> 0. Please keep the survey results open so that everyone can view it.
>> 1. Respecting user privacy and choice:  Surveys (or forms) that insist
>> on collecting irrelevant personal information are incredibly annoying.
>> For privacy reasons, many people dislike being profiled and mandatory
>> fields that insist on real name, location, where you work/study,
>> designation, etc.. are a huge turn off. I'm ok with these questions so
>> long as they are not mandatory (read, asterisk) fields.
>>
>>
>>
>> > That said, I am attaching the links to Pyladies Bangalore.
>>
>> Fwiw, the way Pyladies is run internationally is that women interested
>> in opening a local chapter can easily start one in their own city.
>> Please keep in mind that 'men' starting a group for the women is quite
>> strange - yes, there was a student who would frequent the irc channel
>> for weeks, insisting that he wanted to start a Pyladies chapter to
>> encourage the women in his college to contribute the Foss.
>>
>>
>> > While I want to keep this community pro-woman, I am not restricting it
>> > to
>> > women alone. I would really appreciate if there are men willing to come
>>
>> It would be nice if any upstream developer would like to hold
>> workshops and encourage newbies to contribute. Contributions could be
>> in any form, not just coding, as most projects require good technical
>> documentation <-- this is a great way to start out as you will learn
>> how to use the software and create documentation while learning other
>> skills, like DVCS, collaborating via lists and irc with the core
>> community, etc..
>>
>> -svaksha ? ??????
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>

From a.koppad at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 13:43:35 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:13:35 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Python Django tutorial.
Message-ID: <CAALSmCzZ4t_sK2tiAM7U3f3+Dwo392188tPUaJtxtGA3uqbQZA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

While looking for a particular good tutorial for a Python Django code, I
came across this site,

http://matthewdaly.co.uk/blog/categories/django/

There are about five tutorials for writing a blog. Anyone who wants to
start coding for the pyladies blog can start from there. Before starting,
please share the directory structure if you are planning to change the
directory structure, and a couple of other related information to help
others also be aware of the coding style.

Once coding is done, please send in a pull request for the same from your
account to the pyladies blore git account,
https://github.com/pyladiesblore/pyladiesblr.

Warm regards,
Anu
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From anjaligg at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 15:03:22 2013
From: anjaligg at gmail.com (Geetanjali)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:33:22 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Python Django tutorial.
In-Reply-To: <CAALSmCzZ4t_sK2tiAM7U3f3+Dwo392188tPUaJtxtGA3uqbQZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAALSmCzZ4t_sK2tiAM7U3f3+Dwo392188tPUaJtxtGA3uqbQZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALzBHmoDjE+ex+MSmMHT1RPetDekb1xEOw--oWhuvLqHb5+iKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

Why don't we set up IRC and shoot questions and discuss? I am sure there
are many who would want to do that.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> While looking for a particular good tutorial for a Python Django code, I
> came across this site,
>
> http://matthewdaly.co.uk/blog/categories/django/
>
> There are about five tutorials for writing a blog. Anyone who wants to
> start coding for the pyladies blog can start from there. Before starting,
> please share the directory structure if you are planning to change the
> directory structure, and a couple of other related information to help
> others also be aware of the coding style.
>
> Once coding is done, please send in a pull request for the same from your
> account to the pyladies blore git account,
> https://github.com/pyladiesblore/pyladiesblr.
>
> Warm regards,
> Anu
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyLadies-BLR mailing list
> PyLadies-BLR at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyladies-blr
>
>


-- 
Geetanjali
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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 20:21:30 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:51:30 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [Job]
Message-ID: <CAALSmCyp_C7k7370SK6AKBjewxxyrJeFM7CzkKvmBTXnURjGaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

A colleague forwarded this to me and asked to spread it around:


FoxyProxy is looking for a Python/Django dev. We're friendly to those with
less experience, preferring personality and work ethic. With all the work
you do with the python groups, I thought you might be able to recommend
someone.

Here's the job description: http://getfoxyproxy.org/jobs/developer.html

Hope this gets someone hooked up with some great real-world experience to
build out their portfolio/resume.

Thanks and regards,
Anu
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 20:33:14 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:33:14 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Online sessions on ...?
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG_Go7eYf+qOu_LiAmH8xhQtaB16FmvU1bgvOiH-5RjSuw@mail.gmail.com>

Friends,
I had asked if anyone wanted to hold online sessions and @KennethLove
just agreed to mentor women:
http://discuss.pyladies.com/#!/pyladies/mentorship#wanting-to-look-for-a-mento::unread

I had suggested some basic topics, but feel free to come up with your
own. Anu, could you please create a Google doc to collate the
following info from interested participants ::

1. topics you'd like to learn
2. Timings (IIRC, Kenneth is located in USA, so I assume he would like
to hold this during his evenings (our mornings) or during weekends <--
my assumption)
3. python level - are you a beginner, intermediate, etc.. Do you need
help with python installation, are you comfortable.familiar with
various editors, etc..

svaksha ? ??????

From a.koppad at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 08:09:44 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:39:44 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Python Conference 2013
Message-ID: <CAALSmCx5oJFG5k-+nAd5P6A268LDQWsbLjxrDA1rP+HoWvtF8g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

If someone wants to attend the Pycon India 2013 this year, Let me know. I
bought the ticket. But looks like I am going to be extremely busy. I have
to rush through things. I will give my tickets.

Warm regards,
Anu
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From a.koppad at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 19:34:57 2013
From: a.koppad at gmail.com (Annapoornima Koppad)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:04:57 +0530
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Agenda for the meetings
Message-ID: <CAALSmCw3dr79n4BraVJ-1u6R0xqEdo3Ldxnych0m3e4Ym2Nxdw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

These are some of the things that I am planning to do for Pyladies
Bangalore.

1. Based on the Boston workshop model, we can conduct one day/ half day
python workshops. Try and hold one near your house/ places comfortable. I
am looking at funding those.
2. Set aside some funds for girls who want to travel to conferences in
India and abroad.
3. I have not got the time to do the weekly dojos. I prefer online than
meeting at some place. yes, being online has some serious drawbacks which I
cannot forebode. But we can work out something for sure.
4. Have one monthly major workshop where we can have someone from the
industry talking to us. I have had two people talking who would like to do
this. Not sure if this is something of your interests. Let us see where
that goes.
5. Can anyone create an irc channel for pyladiesblr?
6. Later, when these workshops are in autopilot mode, we can go ahead and
do fundraising for Python software fondation which will be funneled back to
the Pyladies chapter. In that way, we can work more on workshops.

I was planning on talking about these at the Pycon India conference. I want
to make it to the lighting talks atleast if not for the whole conference.

All, please contribute more with your ideas.

Thanks and regards,
Anu
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 15:30:46 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:30:46 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Python Conference 2013
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References: <CAALSmCx5oJFG5k-+nAd5P6A268LDQWsbLjxrDA1rP+HoWvtF8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG962JGd2mUgzKCARGC_6EgMfTJSJdY_P1Z3SxDBm63q-w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> If someone wants to attend the Pycon India 2013 this year, Let me know. I
> bought the ticket. But looks like I am going to be extremely busy. I have to
> rush through things. I will give my tickets.

Better to ask the organizers if they are ok with the mismatch
(registrant name on the ticket != attendee name).
svaksha ? ??????

From svaksha at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 15:12:09 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:12:09 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [x-post] Fwd: [UbuntuWomen] git for girls - a
	workshop in Bangalore
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG9bt27u7LEkPFGTSs_R5-OHNftMaDtj1JVkme97PQ1+iw@mail.gmail.com>

FYI.
svaksha ? ??????



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Hi,

Women in Free Software and Culture in India and Free Software Movement
Karnataka is organizing a workshop on git for the beginners in
Bangalore.

Here's the link where you can find more details about the event and
register online too.

Thanks,
Satabdi

--
Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most
important that you do it.
Find me on the internet

From svaksha at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 17:50:34 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:50:34 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] [x-post] Fwd: [UbuntuWomen] git for girls - a
	workshop in Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG9bt27u7LEkPFGTSs_R5-OHNftMaDtj1JVkme97PQ1+iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN9ztG9bt27u7LEkPFGTSs_R5-OHNftMaDtj1JVkme97PQ1+iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG9sXwV6cD0KS34m=e5nAkdxvafiSqtsq+ypKa4+Un3bEA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry folks, my earlier mail didnt have the registration link:
http://www.wfs-india.org/event/git-girls
svaksha ? ??????


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM, svaksha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI.
> svaksha ? ??????
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Hi,
>
> Women in Free Software and Culture in India and Free Software Movement
> Karnataka is organizing a workshop on git for the beginners in
> Bangalore.
>
> Here's the link where you can find more details about the event and
> register online too.
>
> Thanks,
> Satabdi
>
> --
> Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most
> important that you do it.
> Find me on the internet

From svaksha at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 22:06:04 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svaksha)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:06:04 +0000
Subject: [PyLadies-BLR] Remote classes
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG-uubd+U6X9OA4hPEz=d_ua8Vsix83nCxKBa2qQfdnLkw@mail.gmail.com>

@kcunning on irc shared this awesome link and I had to share it here:
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxvXQaTJzkjG29iLmH40_WX3OHtSeM6lJuk1DN9A7Ek/edit?pli=1>
svaksha ? ??????