From fredrik at haard.se  Mon Jul 15 20:53:10 2013
From: fredrik at haard.se (=?UTF-8?B?RnJlZHJpayBIw6XDpXJk?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:53:10 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
Message-ID: <CAKVAXxQ4KMYqupR7uP9EmRUt_PK0_dXAt6HSbQCjEcy6RS3dng@mail.gmail.com>

Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
(they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
a dedicated mailing list.

Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
mailing list.

A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?


Best regards,
Fredrik H??rd

From zygimantas at bruzgys.eu  Mon Jul 15 21:11:20 2013
From: zygimantas at bruzgys.eu (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDygimantas_Bruzgys?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:11:20 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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Hej, Frederik,

Thank you for putting me in this list!

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:

> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>

I think this is a great idea!

Best,
?ygimantas
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From henrik.andersson at dynabyte.se  Tue Jul 16 15:38:39 2013
From: henrik.andersson at dynabyte.se (Henrik Andersson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:38:39 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] [pysthlm] PyCon Sweden 2014?
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@Fredrik

Hi, I've been helping out with organising events with the DjangoSTHLM user group and I would be glad to
offer up my services when organising this convention as I think it's a really great idea!

You can reach me by phone (+4673-9372550) or this email!

Kind regards,


Henrik Andersson
Consultant
Dynabyte AB
Mobile: +46704127663, Office: +4684119930
Kammakargatan 9B, SE-111 40 Stockholm, Sweden





On Jul 15, 2013, at 20:46 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:

> To make this easier on all of us, I asked for a new list @python.org
> Those of you that replied to my mail have been added to the
> pycon-se at python.org list, for those who have not, feel free to join
> up! Mail me with any problems/issues with the list.
> 
> /fredrik
> 
> 2013/7/14 Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se>:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been toying with the idea of a proper Python conference in Sweden
>> for a few years, and since I learned that EuroPython was in G?teborg
>> around the time I was learning Python, and met some of the organizers
>> of that (hi!) in Florence during this year's EP, I thought that maybe
>> it's time to make it happen?
>> 
>> For me, the upside is that I have (and will continue to have) time
>> available to put into a project like this, the downsides are that I
>> have no experience in conferences outside of speaking/attending and
>> doing some volunteer work at PyCon US, and I'm currently located in
>> Karlskrona which does not really have a Python community going.
>> 
>> Are there enough people interested to put in time and effort to create
>> a Swedish python conference?
>> 
>> (This message crossposted to GothPy and the Stockholm PUG)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Fredrik
>> 
>> --
>> /f
>> 
>> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
>> http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list (pysthlm-list at meetup.com)
>> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/
>> This message was sent by Fredrik H??rd (fredrik at haard.se) from Stockholm Python User Group.
>> To learn more about Fredrik H??rd, visit his/her member profile: http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/members/1414883/
>> Set my mailing list to email me
>> 
>> As they are sent
>> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/list_prefs/?pref=1
>> 
>> In one daily email
>> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/list_prefs/?pref=2
>> 
>> Don't send me mailing list messages
>> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/list_prefs/?pref=0
>> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | support at meetup.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> /f
> 
> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
> http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list (pysthlm-list at meetup.com)
> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/
> This message was sent by Fredrik H??rd (fredrik at haard.se) from Stockholm Python User Group.
> To learn more about Fredrik H??rd, visit his/her member profile: http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/members/1414883/
> Set my mailing list to email me
> 
> As they are sent
> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/list_prefs/?pref=1
> 
> In one daily email
> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/list_prefs/?pref=2
> 
> Don't send me mailing list messages
> http://www.meetup.com/pysthlm/list_prefs/?pref=0
> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | support at meetup.com
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From tome at cvitan.com  Tue Jul 16 22:23:20 2013
From: tome at cvitan.com (Tome Cvitan)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:23:20 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
In-Reply-To: <CAKVAXxQ4KMYqupR7uP9EmRUt_PK0_dXAt6HSbQCjEcy6RS3dng@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+ members
in the last year.

Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s

In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout
session and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you
get to see everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people,
otherwise we will need to find another solution.

The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations -
someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile speakers
from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each of
those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
effort, possibly financial risk, etc.

Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do this!
:)


Cheers,
Tome


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:

> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
> a dedicated mailing list.
>
> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
> mailing list.
>
> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Fredrik H??rd
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-se mailing list
> Pycon-se at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>
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From fredrik at haard.se  Tue Jul 16 22:47:41 2013
From: fredrik at haard.se (=?UTF-8?B?RnJlZHJpayBIw6XDpXJk?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:47:41 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
In-Reply-To: <CALYGtm0kT1cfdftqr3WKfFYT43d+2MW-ZWzdYQ58UusOQd84Cg@mail.gmail.com>
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Great idea; also on setting the scope.
To start the discussion right away, I think there are two or three
different kinds of 'scope' to determine:

A) target size of the conference in attendants (80, 150, 250?)
B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc

A larger conference in any of those means more work in one way or
another, although it may also mean a more awesome conference =)

>From the national PyCons I've been to so far, I think PyCon UK last
year did it about right - decent amount of people, a few tracks, and a
university venue close to a number of different hotels. It might be
that we should shoot for something smaller to begin with though - I
really don't have the experience to tell what would be a good size for
a first instance of a national PyCon.

/fredrik

2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
> Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+ members
> in the last year.
>
> Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
> suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
>
> In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout session
> and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to see
> everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise we
> will need to find another solution.
>
> The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations -
> someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
> another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile speakers
> from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each of
> those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
> effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
>
> Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do this!
> :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tome
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>>
>> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
>> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
>> a dedicated mailing list.
>>
>> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
>> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
>> mailing list.
>>
>> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
>> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
>> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
>> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Fredrik H??rd
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-se mailing list
>> Pycon-se at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-se mailing list
> Pycon-se at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>



-- 
/f

I reject your reality and substitute my own.
http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd

From jyrki at spotify.com  Wed Jul 17 11:25:57 2013
From: jyrki at spotify.com (Jyrki Pulliainen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:25:57 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
In-Reply-To: <CAKVAXxTtFsFbJGNCr6u5MLWdXV-dRot6knhLtP3hK1sMhDwxsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKVAXxQ4KMYqupR7uP9EmRUt_PK0_dXAt6HSbQCjEcy6RS3dng@mail.gmail.com>
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Here's some of my takes on the subjects below:

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:

> Great idea; also on setting the scope.
> To start the discussion right away, I think there are two or three
> different kinds of 'scope' to determine:
>
> A) target size of the conference in attendants (80, 150, 250?)
>

Given the size of the Stockholm Python community and the fact that we can
have 100+ people meetups easily, I'd aim for maybe 200-250 people
conference. 250 is also usually an amount of people that is somewhat easy
to fit somewhere, whether it's a commercial venue or university lecture
halls and it isn't too big crowd to start with. First time organizing is
usually the most hassle, so better not to aim too high at the beginning


> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>

First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good conference
on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.

That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone
their speaking skills!

C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>

For reference, the revenue of PyCon Finland 2012 was ~12 000 euros. We made
some profit though, even though we didn't budget for that (~1000 euros).
The conference was budgeted to break even given that we wouldn't get a lot
of sponsors.

This included:
- University venue (free of charge)
- 150 attendees, out of which part were students with cheap tickets and
orgs + volunteers + sponsor reps + speakers who didn't pay for attendance.
"Normal" tickets were divided in two, a cheaper one for individual and a
more expensive for those paid by their company, to cover the costs of the
cheaper ones.
- 2x Coffee breaks, 2x lunch
- Conference dinner for non-students (107 people)

We had six sponsors, who totalled to around 1700 euros of sponsorship fees.
Conference took place in Aalto University, Espoo, near Helsinki. Pulling a
conference in Stockholm is probably more expensive than in the outskirts of
Helsinki :)

That said, to gather sponsorship money, avoid some taxation hassle
(disclaimer: at least in Finland) and to overall seem out less fishy, a
non-profit organization should probably be created to handle the
legislative parts and money of a conference. First year to PyCon Finland we
ran everything through a company and paying sponsorships between companies
became a big no-no, leaving us with zero sponsor money for the first year.

So, there be my few ?res on the topic :)

- Jyrki

A larger conference in any of those means more work in one way or
> another, although it may also mean a more awesome conference =)
>
> From the national PyCons I've been to so far, I think PyCon UK last
> year did it about right - decent amount of people, a few tracks, and a
> university venue close to a number of different hotels. It might be
> that we should shoot for something smaller to begin with though - I
> really don't have the experience to tell what would be a good size for
> a first instance of a national PyCon.
>
> /fredrik
>
> 2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
> > Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+
> members
> > in the last year.
> >
> > Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
> > suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
> >
> > In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout
> session
> > and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to
> see
> > everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise
> we
> > will need to find another solution.
> >
> > The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations -
> > someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
> > another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile
> speakers
> > from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each
> of
> > those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
> > effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
> >
> > Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do
> this!
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tome
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
> >>
> >> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
> >> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
> >> a dedicated mailing list.
> >>
> >> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
> >> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
> >> mailing list.
> >>
> >> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
> >> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
> >> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
> >> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Fredrik H??rd
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pycon-se mailing list
> >> Pycon-se at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pycon-se mailing list
> > Pycon-se at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
> >
>
>
>
> --
> /f
>
> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
> http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-se mailing list
> Pycon-se at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>
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From tome at cvitan.com  Wed Jul 17 11:36:35 2013
From: tome at cvitan.com (Tome Cvitan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:36:35 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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That?s more than a few ?re. Awesome input, Jyrki!

Is it just me, or is it annoying that the default reply-to address for the
list isn?t the list itself? :)

/Tome


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com>wrote:

> Here's some of my takes on the subjects below:
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>
>> Great idea; also on setting the scope.
>> To start the discussion right away, I think there are two or three
>> different kinds of 'scope' to determine:
>>
>> A) target size of the conference in attendants (80, 150, 250?)
>>
>
> Given the size of the Stockholm Python community and the fact that we can
> have 100+ people meetups easily, I'd aim for maybe 200-250 people
> conference. 250 is also usually an amount of people that is somewhat easy
> to fit somewhere, whether it's a commercial venue or university lecture
> halls and it isn't too big crowd to start with. First time organizing is
> usually the most hassle, so better not to aim too high at the beginning
>
>
>> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>>
>
> First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
> organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
> high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good conference
> on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
> proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
> for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
> inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
>
> That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
> veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone
> their speaking skills!
>
> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>>
>
> For reference, the revenue of PyCon Finland 2012 was ~12 000 euros. We
> made some profit though, even though we didn't budget for that (~1000
> euros). The conference was budgeted to break even given that we wouldn't
> get a lot of sponsors.
>
> This included:
> - University venue (free of charge)
> - 150 attendees, out of which part were students with cheap tickets and
> orgs + volunteers + sponsor reps + speakers who didn't pay for attendance.
> "Normal" tickets were divided in two, a cheaper one for individual and a
> more expensive for those paid by their company, to cover the costs of the
> cheaper ones.
> - 2x Coffee breaks, 2x lunch
> - Conference dinner for non-students (107 people)
>
> We had six sponsors, who totalled to around 1700 euros of sponsorship fees.
> Conference took place in Aalto University, Espoo, near Helsinki. Pulling a
> conference in Stockholm is probably more expensive than in the outskirts of
> Helsinki :)
>
> That said, to gather sponsorship money, avoid some taxation hassle
> (disclaimer: at least in Finland) and to overall seem out less fishy, a
> non-profit organization should probably be created to handle the
> legislative parts and money of a conference. First year to PyCon Finland we
> ran everything through a company and paying sponsorships between companies
> became a big no-no, leaving us with zero sponsor money for the first year.
>
> So, there be my few ?res on the topic :)
>
> - Jyrki
>
> A larger conference in any of those means more work in one way or
>> another, although it may also mean a more awesome conference =)
>>
>> From the national PyCons I've been to so far, I think PyCon UK last
>> year did it about right - decent amount of people, a few tracks, and a
>> university venue close to a number of different hotels. It might be
>> that we should shoot for something smaller to begin with though - I
>> really don't have the experience to tell what would be a good size for
>> a first instance of a national PyCon.
>>
>> /fredrik
>>
>> 2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
>> > Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+
>> members
>> > in the last year.
>> >
>> > Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
>> > suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
>> >
>> > In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout
>> session
>> > and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to
>> see
>> > everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise
>> we
>> > will need to find another solution.
>> >
>> > The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations
>> -
>> > someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
>> > another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile
>> speakers
>> > from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each
>> of
>> > those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
>> > effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
>> >
>> > Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do
>> this!
>> > :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tome
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
>> >> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
>> >> a dedicated mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
>> >> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
>> >> mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
>> >> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
>> >> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
>> >> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Fredrik H??rd
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Pycon-se mailing list
>> >> Pycon-se at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Pycon-se mailing list
>> > Pycon-se at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> /f
>>
>> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
>> http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
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From cl2dlope at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 11:38:40 2013
From: cl2dlope at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez=2DK=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:38:40 +0300
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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Hi,

in preparation for EuroPython in Sweden, it was setup as Swedish Non-profit
(Ideell f?rening), I have not followed the development in recent years, but
it worked quite well at the time, and I would not be surprised if it still
is.

It is very easy to set up a f?rening, with a proper registration number and
a bank account, etc. I can help out with this if necessary (I have some
experience from a sporst club I manage).

Of course, I would love to have in G?teborg :-) , but I am not sure we can
gather so many Pythonistas as in Stlm.

Best regards,

/dario
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com>wrote:

> Here's some of my takes on the subjects below:
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>
>> Great idea; also on setting the scope.
>> To start the discussion right away, I think there are two or three
>> different kinds of 'scope' to determine:
>>
>> A) target size of the conference in attendants (80, 150, 250?)
>>
>
> Given the size of the Stockholm Python community and the fact that we can
> have 100+ people meetups easily, I'd aim for maybe 200-250 people
> conference. 250 is also usually an amount of people that is somewhat easy
> to fit somewhere, whether it's a commercial venue or university lecture
> halls and it isn't too big crowd to start with. First time organizing is
> usually the most hassle, so better not to aim too high at the beginning
>
>
>> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>>
>
> First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
> organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
> high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good conference
> on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
> proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
> for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
> inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
>
> That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
> veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone
> their speaking skills!
>
> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>>
>
> For reference, the revenue of PyCon Finland 2012 was ~12 000 euros. We
> made some profit though, even though we didn't budget for that (~1000
> euros). The conference was budgeted to break even given that we wouldn't
> get a lot of sponsors.
>
> This included:
> - University venue (free of charge)
> - 150 attendees, out of which part were students with cheap tickets and
> orgs + volunteers + sponsor reps + speakers who didn't pay for attendance.
> "Normal" tickets were divided in two, a cheaper one for individual and a
> more expensive for those paid by their company, to cover the costs of the
> cheaper ones.
> - 2x Coffee breaks, 2x lunch
> - Conference dinner for non-students (107 people)
>
> We had six sponsors, who totalled to around 1700 euros of sponsorship fees.
> Conference took place in Aalto University, Espoo, near Helsinki. Pulling a
> conference in Stockholm is probably more expensive than in the outskirts of
> Helsinki :)
>
> That said, to gather sponsorship money, avoid some taxation hassle
> (disclaimer: at least in Finland) and to overall seem out less fishy, a
> non-profit organization should probably be created to handle the
> legislative parts and money of a conference. First year to PyCon Finland we
> ran everything through a company and paying sponsorships between companies
> became a big no-no, leaving us with zero sponsor money for the first year.
>
> So, there be my few ?res on the topic :)
>
> - Jyrki
>
> A larger conference in any of those means more work in one way or
>> another, although it may also mean a more awesome conference =)
>>
>> From the national PyCons I've been to so far, I think PyCon UK last
>> year did it about right - decent amount of people, a few tracks, and a
>> university venue close to a number of different hotels. It might be
>> that we should shoot for something smaller to begin with though - I
>> really don't have the experience to tell what would be a good size for
>> a first instance of a national PyCon.
>>
>> /fredrik
>>
>> 2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
>> > Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+
>> members
>> > in the last year.
>> >
>> > Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
>> > suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
>> >
>> > In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout
>> session
>> > and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to
>> see
>> > everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise
>> we
>> > will need to find another solution.
>> >
>> > The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations
>> -
>> > someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
>> > another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile
>> speakers
>> > from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each
>> of
>> > those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
>> > effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
>> >
>> > Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do
>> this!
>> > :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tome
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
>> >> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
>> >> a dedicated mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
>> >> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
>> >> mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
>> >> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
>> >> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
>> >> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Fredrik H??rd
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Pycon-se mailing list
>> >> Pycon-se at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Pycon-se mailing list
>> > Pycon-se at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> /f
>>
>> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
>> http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-se mailing list
>> Pycon-se at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>>
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
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From george at thoughtbot.com  Wed Jul 17 11:42:48 2013
From: george at thoughtbot.com (George Brocklehurst)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:42:48 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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Hi everyone. Putting together a national PyCon is a great idea!

A few thoughts ?

On 17 July 2013 11:25, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>
> First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
> organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
> high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good conference
> on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
> proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
> for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
> inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
>
> That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
> veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone their
> speaking skills!

Ruby Manor (a small Ruby conference in the UK) have had a lot of
success with a public, anonymous, vote-base talk selection process
using an app they wrote called Vestibule:
http://vestibule.rubymanor.org/

It does require a lot of community participation, but both times I've
been (once as a speaker, once as an attendee) it's produced a really
interesting conference. It does attract new speakers, but the
organisers preview all of the talks and give feedback a week or two
before the conference to make sure the quality is high.

I'm not sure if this would be right for us, it's just another approach
to consider in addition to an invited speaker list or a traditional
CFP.


>> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc

A few of us from the Stockholm user group went and spoke about Python
at Stockholm University a couple of months ago, so we know some people
there who we could talk to about using SU as the venue if that's
useful.

From jyrki at spotify.com  Wed Jul 17 11:52:42 2013
From: jyrki at spotify.com (Jyrki Pulliainen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:52:42 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, George Brocklehurst <george at thoughtbot.com
> wrote:

> Hi everyone. Putting together a national PyCon is a great idea!
>
> A few thoughts ?
>
> On 17 July 2013 11:25, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se>
> wrote:
> >> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
> >
> > First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
> > organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
> > high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good
> conference
> > on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
> > proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
> > for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
> > inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
> >
> > That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
> > veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone
> their
> > speaking skills!
>
> Ruby Manor (a small Ruby conference in the UK) have had a lot of
> success with a public, anonymous, vote-base talk selection process
> using an app they wrote called Vestibule:
> http://vestibule.rubymanor.org/
>
> It does require a lot of community participation, but both times I've
> been (once as a speaker, once as an attendee) it's produced a really
> interesting conference. It does attract new speakers, but the
> organisers preview all of the talks and give feedback a week or two
> before the conference to make sure the quality is high.
>
> I'm not sure if this would be right for us, it's just another approach
> to consider in addition to an invited speaker list or a traditional
> CFP.
>
>
EuroPython uses a voting too (sans keynotes), seems to work good for them.
My only concern is that these probably work better with an established
conference than with a new one. However, I like the voting aspect more than
the traditional CFP :)


> >> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>
> A few of us from the Stockholm user group went and spoke about Python
> at Stockholm University a couple of months ago, so we know some people
> there who we could talk to about using SU as the venue if that's
> useful.
>

To keep costs reasonable, something like this would be awesome!

One more thing came to mind: The time of the conference.

Fall is usually pretty riddled with Python conferences, for some reason. In
October alone there will be PyCon Brazil, Ploneconf, PyCon DE, PyCon IE,
Rupy and PyCon Finland (IIRC, PSF hosts a calendar). On the other hand, the
springtime usually only has PyCon (which next year will be in Montreal in
the beginning of April).

Given the weather et al. factors a conference in May could be something to
think about. It's also far enough in the distant future given all the
organizing hassle :)

- Jyrki
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From fredrik at haard.se  Wed Jul 17 13:03:42 2013
From: fredrik at haard.se (=?UTF-8?B?RnJlZHJpayBIw6XDpXJk?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:03:42 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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I'm slightly opposed to community voting, at least without vetting
and/or balancing topics against each other.
Case in point: as a speaker, I know I can talk at EP since I can craft
a proposal people will vote for, but as an attendee I actually think
the quality may be suffering from very same fact - hype is what gets
you through the door.

I think mid-May is a good time, in between PyCon NA in March and EP in July.

/f

2013/7/17 Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com>:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, George Brocklehurst
> <george at thoughtbot.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone. Putting together a national PyCon is a great idea!
>>
>> A few thoughts ?
>>
>> On 17 July 2013 11:25, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se>
>> > wrote:
>> >> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>> >
>> > First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
>> > organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
>> > high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good
>> > conference
>> > on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
>> > proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for
>> > proposal
>> > for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is
>> > hard,
>> > inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
>> >
>> > That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
>> > veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone
>> > their
>> > speaking skills!
>>
>> Ruby Manor (a small Ruby conference in the UK) have had a lot of
>> success with a public, anonymous, vote-base talk selection process
>> using an app they wrote called Vestibule:
>> http://vestibule.rubymanor.org/
>>
>> It does require a lot of community participation, but both times I've
>> been (once as a speaker, once as an attendee) it's produced a really
>> interesting conference. It does attract new speakers, but the
>> organisers preview all of the talks and give feedback a week or two
>> before the conference to make sure the quality is high.
>>
>> I'm not sure if this would be right for us, it's just another approach
>> to consider in addition to an invited speaker list or a traditional
>> CFP.
>>
>
> EuroPython uses a voting too (sans keynotes), seems to work good for them.
> My only concern is that these probably work better with an established
> conference than with a new one. However, I like the voting aspect more than
> the traditional CFP :)
>
>>
>> >> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>>
>> A few of us from the Stockholm user group went and spoke about Python
>> at Stockholm University a couple of months ago, so we know some people
>> there who we could talk to about using SU as the venue if that's
>> useful.
>
>
> To keep costs reasonable, something like this would be awesome!
>
> One more thing came to mind: The time of the conference.
>
> Fall is usually pretty riddled with Python conferences, for some reason. In
> October alone there will be PyCon Brazil, Ploneconf, PyCon DE, PyCon IE,
> Rupy and PyCon Finland (IIRC, PSF hosts a calendar). On the other hand, the
> springtime usually only has PyCon (which next year will be in Montreal in
> the beginning of April).
>
> Given the weather et al. factors a conference in May could be something to
> think about. It's also far enough in the distant future given all the
> organizing hassle :)
>
> - Jyrki
>



--
/f

I reject your reality and substitute my own.
http://courteous.ly/yp3Zgd

From fredrik at haard.se  Thu Jul 18 13:55:36 2013
From: fredrik at haard.se (=?UTF-8?B?RnJlZHJpayBIw6XDpXJk?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:55:36 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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Reply-to changed to the list (I hope...)

/f

2013/7/17 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
> That?s more than a few ?re. Awesome input, Jyrki!
>
> Is it just me, or is it annoying that the default reply-to address for the
> list isn?t the list itself? :)
>
> /Tome
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Here's some of my takes on the subjects below:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>>>
>>> Great idea; also on setting the scope.
>>> To start the discussion right away, I think there are two or three
>>> different kinds of 'scope' to determine:
>>>
>>> A) target size of the conference in attendants (80, 150, 250?)
>>
>>
>> Given the size of the Stockholm Python community and the fact that we can
>> have 100+ people meetups easily, I'd aim for maybe 200-250 people
>> conference. 250 is also usually an amount of people that is somewhat easy to
>> fit somewhere, whether it's a commercial venue or university lecture halls
>> and it isn't too big crowd to start with. First time organizing is usually
>> the most hassle, so better not to aim too high at the beginning
>>
>>>
>>> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>>
>>
>> First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
>> organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
>> high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good conference
>> on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
>> proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
>> for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
>> inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
>>
>> That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
>> veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone their
>> speaking skills!
>>
>>> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>>
>>
>> For reference, the revenue of PyCon Finland 2012 was ~12 000 euros. We
>> made some profit though, even though we didn't budget for that (~1000
>> euros). The conference was budgeted to break even given that we wouldn't get
>> a lot of sponsors.
>>
>> This included:
>> - University venue (free of charge)
>> - 150 attendees, out of which part were students with cheap tickets and
>> orgs + volunteers + sponsor reps + speakers who didn't pay for attendance.
>> "Normal" tickets were divided in two, a cheaper one for individual and a
>> more expensive for those paid by their company, to cover the costs of the
>> cheaper ones.
>> - 2x Coffee breaks, 2x lunch
>> - Conference dinner for non-students (107 people)
>>
>> We had six sponsors, who totalled to around 1700 euros of sponsorship
>> fees.
>> Conference took place in Aalto University, Espoo, near Helsinki. Pulling a
>> conference in Stockholm is probably more expensive than in the outskirts of
>> Helsinki :)
>>
>> That said, to gather sponsorship money, avoid some taxation hassle
>> (disclaimer: at least in Finland) and to overall seem out less fishy, a
>> non-profit organization should probably be created to handle the legislative
>> parts and money of a conference. First year to PyCon Finland we ran
>> everything through a company and paying sponsorships between companies
>> became a big no-no, leaving us with zero sponsor money for the first year.
>>
>> So, there be my few ?res on the topic :)
>>
>> - Jyrki
>>
>>> A larger conference in any of those means more work in one way or
>>> another, although it may also mean a more awesome conference =)
>>>
>>> From the national PyCons I've been to so far, I think PyCon UK last
>>> year did it about right - decent amount of people, a few tracks, and a
>>> university venue close to a number of different hotels. It might be
>>> that we should shoot for something smaller to begin with though - I
>>> really don't have the experience to tell what would be a good size for
>>> a first instance of a national PyCon.
>>>
>>> /fredrik
>>>
>>> 2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about
>>> > a
>>> > Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+
>>> > members
>>> > in the last year.
>>> >
>>> > Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
>>> > suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
>>> >
>>> > In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout
>>> > session
>>> > and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to
>>> > see
>>> > everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise
>>> > we
>>> > will need to find another solution.
>>> >
>>> > The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations
>>> > -
>>> > someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a
>>> > university,
>>> > another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile
>>> > speakers
>>> > from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each
>>> > of
>>> > those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
>>> > effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
>>> >
>>> > Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do
>>> > this!
>>> > :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Tome
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
>>> >> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
>>> >> a dedicated mailing list.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
>>> >> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
>>> >> mailing list.
>>> >>
>>> >> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
>>> >> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
>>> >> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
>>> >> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >> Fredrik H??rd
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Pycon-se mailing list
>>> >> Pycon-se at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Pycon-se at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> /f
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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From fredrik at haard.se  Fri Jul 19 09:58:26 2013
From: fredrik at haard.se (=?UTF-8?B?RnJlZHJpayBIw6XDpXJk?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:26 +0200
Subject: [Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?
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Since we've gotten a bunch of new members on the list, I thought it
might be a good idea to re-post the doodle for setting up our first
(e-) meeting:

http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s

If you are interested in participating, please indicate your
availability for the suggested time slots!

/f


2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
> Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+ members
> in the last year.
>
> Let?s try to set up that first meeting - I?ve made a Doodle with some
> suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
>
> In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout session
> and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to see
> everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise we
> will need to find another solution.
>
> The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations -
> someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
> another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile speakers
> from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each of
> those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
> effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
>
> Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do this!
> :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tome
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik H??rd <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>>
>> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
>> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
>> a dedicated mailing list.
>>
>> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
>> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
>> mailing list.
>>
>> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
>> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
>> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
>> Stockholm and another in G?teborg would be a good first step?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Fredrik H??rd
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-se mailing list
>> Pycon-se at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-se mailing list
> Pycon-se at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-se
>



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