From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Thu Jan 14 12:55:54 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:55:54 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
Message-ID: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>

Hello Hobson and Kinga,

I hope you?re both well! 
It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.

I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.

I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.

My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.

If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :) 

Thank you!
Anna

From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 00:53:20 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:53:20 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
In-Reply-To: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
References: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CACZ_DodPEO3iKWLsGZip_5vdiWEJ7UiX29dWhaT9U-_qtNQuSw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Anna, I'll take a look.
On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>
> I hope you?re both well!
> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our
> main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>
> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you
> didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and
> I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration
> so I thought it would be useful for us.
>
> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and
> ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards
> around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that
> you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
> board.
>
> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest
> to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end
> of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to
> tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
> people might forget about it.
>
> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me
> anytime :)
>
> Thank you!
> Anna
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Fri Jan 15 06:32:52 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 12:32:52 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
In-Reply-To: <CACZ_DodPEO3iKWLsGZip_5vdiWEJ7UiX29dWhaT9U-_qtNQuSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
 <CACZ_DodPEO3iKWLsGZip_5vdiWEJ7UiX29dWhaT9U-_qtNQuSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EA09D23-92B8-4F85-BD37-9E20DB018F7E@gmx.de>

Thank you, Hobson!

> Am 15.01.2016 um 06:53 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> Thanks, Anna, I'll take a look.
> 
> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
> 
> I hope you?re both well!
> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
> 
> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
> 
> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
> 
> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
> 
> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
> 
> Thank you!
> Anna
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>

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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 08:49:07 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 05:49:07 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
In-Reply-To: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
References: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CACZ_DoceKbnJ0qfvtTQMROTxsLEuXrckS3+h5UNbtt+NcZ4yfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Anna,

I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could
you re-add me?

--Hobson
On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>
> I hope you?re both well!
> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our
> main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>
> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you
> didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and
> I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration
> so I thought it would be useful for us.
>
> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and
> ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards
> around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that
> you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
> board.
>
> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest
> to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end
> of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to
> tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
> people might forget about it.
>
> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me
> anytime :)
>
> Thank you!
> Anna
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 11:32:39 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:32:39 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
In-Reply-To: <CACZ_DocP+KOX+fsGgrYb2XFqrW4b2JgNYc-V_8OoHUK9sXNvrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
 <CACZ_DoceKbnJ0qfvtTQMROTxsLEuXrckS3+h5UNbtt+NcZ4yfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <AE064F16-5542-47CE-8D6D-9CC4DF4FC7B6@gmx.de>
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Message-ID: <B773F528-7CC2-4D74-9206-A59927BA03EB@gmx.de>

Thank you Hobson!

I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.

I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)

Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.

Anna 

> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
> 
> --Hobson
> 
> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Hi Hobson,
> 
> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
> 
> Anna
>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi Anna,
>> 
>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>> 
>> I hope you?re both well!
>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>> 
>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>> 
>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>> 
>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
> 

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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 12:52:29 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 09:52:29 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
In-Reply-To: <B773F528-7CC2-4D74-9206-A59927BA03EB@gmx.de>
References: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
 <CACZ_DoceKbnJ0qfvtTQMROTxsLEuXrckS3+h5UNbtt+NcZ4yfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <AE064F16-5542-47CE-8D6D-9CC4DF4FC7B6@gmx.de>
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Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the
interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about
open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
and activity suggestion a bit.

--Hobson

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Thank you Hobson!
>
> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to
> make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
> there in case of questions.
>
> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary
> as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>
> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign
> yourselves to cards, etc.
>
> Anna
>
> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>
> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
> delete anything I put up.
>
> --Hobson
> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hobson,
>>
>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first
>> time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway,
>> just readded you under the right user name :)
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Anna,
>>
>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could
>> you re-add me?
>>
>> --Hobson
>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>
>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our
>>> main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>
>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If
>>> you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name
>>> and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>
>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?,
>>> and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move
>>> cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>> board.
>>>
>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>> people might forget about it.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact
>>> me anytime :)
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Anna
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 13:01:37 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:01:37 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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References: <7C31D3AB-8DAC-4540-A0C0-46CEB9FB9164@gmx.de>
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That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 

If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.

Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.

Thank you!
Anna
> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
> 
> --Hobson
> 
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Thank you Hobson!
> 
> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
> 
> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
> 
> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
> 
> Anna 
> 
>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> 
>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> Hi Hobson,
>> 
>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>> 
>> Anna
>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anna,
>>> 
>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>> 
>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>> 
>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>> 
>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>> 
>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Anna
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>> 
> 
> 

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From pycon.brandon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:07:30 2016
From: pycon.brandon at gmail.com (Brandon Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with
because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and
read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would
happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots,
just tweeted a brief tweet like:

3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks!
Astronomy!

The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If there
were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we advertised, I
wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be @pycon_events
or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in 15 minutes!?
and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe the mobile app
has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a way that we
could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that they came up
in everyone's mobile app?

Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for
people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction,
instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center
and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
> people do what they love.
>
> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of
> topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at
> PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow
> facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>
> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion
> on this.
>
> Thank you!
> Anna
>
> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>
> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about
> the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees
> about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
> offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
> know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
> such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
> If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
> and activity suggestion a bit.
>
> --Hobson
>
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Hobson!
>>
>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to
>> make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>> there in case of questions.
>>
>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary
>> as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>>
>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign
>> yourselves to cards, etc.
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>> delete anything I put up.
>>
>> --Hobson
>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>
>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first
>>> time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway,
>>> just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Anna,
>>>
>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>
>>> --Hobson
>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>
>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While
>>>> our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>
>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If
>>>> you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name
>>>> and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>
>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?,
>>>> and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move
>>>> cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>> board.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact
>>>> me anytime :)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Anna
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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>


-- 
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PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 13:20:40 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:20:40 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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Thank you for your input, Kinga!

I still have concerns to be honest but if you both think it?s a great idea I?m certainly willing to try this approach. I just think it would be important that we communicate clearly that this is just ?market research? as Kinga called it and that this is non-binding.
I wonder what the right platform for this would be to reach the most people. I?m thinking it would be best to implement this into the Open Spaces section on the PyCon website since I assume this is the place where people go to read about Open Spaces. I would guess a Google form or survey monkey would be less effective.
 
I can chat to Brandon about this and ask him if this is possible. Would one of you be willing to take this on if we?re allowed to add this to the PyCon website?

Thank you!
Anna

> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Kinga Ki?czkowska <k.kieczkowska at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I understand your points (both of you :) ). I personally think that it is possible to do both things, that is: preserve the "free spirit" of open spaces and have a voting system. I wouldn't treat it as something final or binding, though; it might just be a good way of seeing what people are interested in. The poll could have an option of adding your own idea and voting for any number of options you find interesting. A bit like market research! That can also help people who feel like organising something, but aren't sure what exactly, or are hesitant about a couple of topics and don't know which one to choose.
> 
> I'm also for not pressuring people, but if I was organising an open space myself, I'd want to know if there's anyone interested in participating. Seeing 0 votes next to my idea online would be less disappointing for me than seeing 0 people show up to my open space onsite.
> 
> Of course, the options in the poll should not be in any way "binding" - people should of course be able to organize whatever comes to their minds during the conference ad hoc.
> 
> Kinga
> 
> 2016-01-18 18:01 GMT+00:00 Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>>:
> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 
> 
> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
> 
> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.
> 
> Thank you!
> Anna
> 
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> Thank you Hobson!
>> 
>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
>> 
>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>> 
>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>> 
>> Anna 
>> 
>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Hi Hobson,
>>> 
>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>> 
>>> Anna
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>> 
>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>> 
>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>> 
>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>> 
>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>>> 
>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Anna
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> K.Ki?czkowska

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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:27:20 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:27:20 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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I'd be happy to do the web development to make it possible for you and
Brandon to just hit a switch if he wants to turn on the market research
feature. And you could write all the "copy" so it continues to have the
"free" and "open" feeling you're looking for. And it would only be for
those that go to the trouble of clicking on the link from the Open Spaces
page to find the "ideas" page. There's a similar list of "ideas" for
tutorial sessions.

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Thank you for your input, Kinga!
>
> I still have concerns to be honest but if you both think it?s a great idea
> I?m certainly willing to try this approach. I just think it would be
> important that we communicate clearly that this is just ?market research?
> as Kinga called it and that this is non-binding.
> I wonder what the right platform for this would be to reach the most
> people. I?m thinking it would be best to implement this into the Open
> Spaces section on the PyCon website since I assume this is the place where
> people go to read about Open Spaces. I would guess a Google form or survey
> monkey would be less effective.
>
> I can chat to Brandon about this and ask him if this is possible. Would
> one of you be willing to take this on if we?re allowed to add this to the
> PyCon website?
>
> Thank you!
> Anna
>
> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Kinga Ki?czkowska <k.kieczkowska at gmail.com
> >:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I understand your points (both of you :) ). I personally think that it is
> possible to do both things, that is: preserve the "free spirit" of open
> spaces and have a voting system. I wouldn't treat it as something final or
> binding, though; it might just be a good way of seeing what people are
> interested in. The poll could have an option of adding your own idea and
> voting for any number of options you find interesting. A bit like market
> research! That can also help people who feel like organising something, but
> aren't sure what exactly, or are hesitant about a couple of topics and
> don't know which one to choose.
>
> I'm also for not pressuring people, but if I was organising an open space
> myself, I'd want to know if there's anyone interested in participating.
> Seeing 0 votes next to my idea online would be less disappointing for me
> than seeing 0 people show up to my open space onsite.
>
> Of course, the options in the poll should not be in any way "binding" -
> people should of course be able to organize whatever comes to their minds
> during the conference ad hoc.
>
> Kinga
>
> 2016-01-18 18:01 GMT+00:00 Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de>:
>
>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me,
>> Hobson!
>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
>> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
>> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
>> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
>> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
>> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
>> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
>> people do what they love.
>>
>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of
>> topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at
>> PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow
>> facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>
>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion
>> on this.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>>
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about
>> the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees
>> about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
>> offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
>> know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
>> such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
>> If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
>> and activity suggestion a bit.
>>
>> --Hobson
>>
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to
>>> make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>>> there in case of questions.
>>>
>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not
>>> necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves
>>> onsite :)
>>>
>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign
>>> yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>>> delete anything I put up.
>>>
>>> --Hobson
>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>
>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the
>>>> first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you.
>>>> Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>
>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While
>>>>> our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If
>>>>> you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name
>>>>> and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?,
>>>>> and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move
>>>>> cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>>> board.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to
>>>>> contact me anytime :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>
>>
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 13:29:48 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:29:48 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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Sounds good! Thanks a ton Hobson! I appreciate you taking this on!

Anna
> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:27 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> I'd be happy to do the web development to make it possible for you and Brandon to just hit a switch if he wants to turn on the market research feature. And you could write all the "copy" so it continues to have the "free" and "open" feeling you're looking for. And it would only be for those that go to the trouble of clicking on the link from the Open Spaces page to find the "ideas" page. There's a similar list of "ideas" for tutorial sessions.
> 
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Thank you for your input, Kinga!
> 
> I still have concerns to be honest but if you both think it?s a great idea I?m certainly willing to try this approach. I just think it would be important that we communicate clearly that this is just ?market research? as Kinga called it and that this is non-binding.
> I wonder what the right platform for this would be to reach the most people. I?m thinking it would be best to implement this into the Open Spaces section on the PyCon website since I assume this is the place where people go to read about Open Spaces. I would guess a Google form or survey monkey would be less effective.
>  
> I can chat to Brandon about this and ask him if this is possible. Would one of you be willing to take this on if we?re allowed to add this to the PyCon website?
> 
> Thank you!
> Anna
> 
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Kinga Ki?czkowska <k.kieczkowska at gmail.com <mailto:k.kieczkowska at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I understand your points (both of you :) ). I personally think that it is possible to do both things, that is: preserve the "free spirit" of open spaces and have a voting system. I wouldn't treat it as something final or binding, though; it might just be a good way of seeing what people are interested in. The poll could have an option of adding your own idea and voting for any number of options you find interesting. A bit like market research! That can also help people who feel like organising something, but aren't sure what exactly, or are hesitant about a couple of topics and don't know which one to choose.
>> 
>> I'm also for not pressuring people, but if I was organising an open space myself, I'd want to know if there's anyone interested in participating. Seeing 0 votes next to my idea online would be less disappointing for me than seeing 0 people show up to my open space onsite.
>> 
>> Of course, the options in the poll should not be in any way "binding" - people should of course be able to organize whatever comes to their minds during the conference ad hoc.
>> 
>> Kinga
>> 
>> 2016-01-18 18:01 GMT+00:00 Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>>:
>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 
>> 
>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>> 
>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>> 
>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
>>> 
>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>>> 
>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>> 
>>> Anna 
>>> 
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>> 
>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>> 
>>>> Anna
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> K.Ki?czkowska
> 
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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:31:36 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:31:36 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all
that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open
space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with
> because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and
> read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would
> happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots,
> just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>
> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks!
> Astronomy!
>
> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If
> there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we
> advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be
> @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in
> 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe
> the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a
> way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that
> they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>
> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for
> people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction,
> instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center
> and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me,
>> Hobson!
>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
>> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
>> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
>> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
>> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
>> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
>> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
>> people do what they love.
>>
>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of
>> topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at
>> PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow
>> facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>
>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion
>> on this.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>>
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about
>> the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees
>> about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
>> offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
>> know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
>> such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
>> If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
>> and activity suggestion a bit.
>>
>> --Hobson
>>
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to
>>> make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>>> there in case of questions.
>>>
>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not
>>> necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves
>>> onsite :)
>>>
>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign
>>> yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>>> delete anything I put up.
>>>
>>> --Hobson
>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>
>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the
>>>> first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you.
>>>> Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>
>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While
>>>>> our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If
>>>>> you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name
>>>>> and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?,
>>>>> and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move
>>>>> cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>>> board.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to
>>>>> contact me anytime :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Brandon Rhodes
> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
> pycon.brandon at gmail.com
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 13:39:14 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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That is a great idea, Brandon!

> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
> 
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots, just tweeted a brief tweet like:
> 
> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks! Astronomy!
> 
> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that they came up in everyone's mobile app?
> 
> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction, instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 
> 
> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
> 
> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.
> 
> Thank you!
> Anna
> 
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> Thank you Hobson!
>> 
>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
>> 
>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>> 
>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>> 
>> Anna 
>> 
>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Hi Hobson,
>>> 
>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>> 
>>> Anna
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>> 
>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>> 
>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>> 
>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>> 
>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>>> 
>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Anna
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Brandon Rhodes
> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
> pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>

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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:21:51 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:21:51 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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Hi Anna,

Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I can
help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet
reminders from any twitter @account.

There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com, but
they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of course a twitter bot could
be used for any scheduled announcement (sessions, special events, etc), if
desired. My colleagues and I have proposed a tutorial session on building a
twitter scheduling bot, so this would not be much additional work.

--Hobson

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> That is a great idea, Brandon!
>
> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>
> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all
> that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open
> space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with
>> because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and
>> read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would
>> happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots,
>> just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>>
>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks!
>> Astronomy!
>>
>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If
>> there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we
>> advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be
>> @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in
>> 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe
>> the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a
>> way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that
>> they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>>
>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for
>> people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction,
>> instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center
>> and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me,
>>> Hobson!
>>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
>>> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
>>> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
>>> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
>>> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
>>> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
>>> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
>>> people do what they love.
>>>
>>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of
>>> topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at
>>> PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow
>>> facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>>
>>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion
>>> on this.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about
>>> the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees
>>> about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
>>> offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
>>> know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
>>> such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
>>> If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
>>> and activity suggestion a bit.
>>>
>>> --Hobson
>>>
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to
>>>> make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>>>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>>>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>>>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>>>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>>>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>>>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>>>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>>>> there in case of questions.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not
>>>> necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves
>>>> onsite :)
>>>>
>>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign
>>>> yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>>>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>>>> delete anything I put up.
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the
>>>>> first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you.
>>>>> Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>>
>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>>>
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While
>>>>>> our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>>>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to.
>>>>>> If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello
>>>>>> name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To
>>>>>> Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or
>>>>>> move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>>>> board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to
>>>>>> contact me anytime :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brandon Rhodes
>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com
>>
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 15:25:29 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:25:29 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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Hey Hobson,

I?m not sure but Brandon or Ewa Jodlowska (ewa at python.org) would know. It?s probably best to discuss this with them directly :)

Sounds like a great idea and thank you for doing this!
Anna

> Am 18.01.2016 um 21:21 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I can help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet reminders from any twitter @account.
> 
> There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com, but they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of course a twitter bot could be used for any scheduled announcement (sessions, special events, etc), if desired. My colleagues and I have proposed a tutorial session on building a twitter scheduling bot, so this would not be much additional work. 
> 
> --Hobson
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> That is a great idea, Brandon!
> 
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots, just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>> 
>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks! Astronomy!
>> 
>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>> 
>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction, instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 
>> 
>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>> 
>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>> 
>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
>>> 
>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>>> 
>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>> 
>>> Anna 
>>> 
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>> 
>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>> 
>>>> Anna
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brandon Rhodes
>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>
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From: ewa at python.org (Ewa Jodlowska)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:26:56 -0600
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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FYI - we are both on this mailing list :)

Brandon composes the tweets and I too have access to the account.

Best regards,

Ewa
Director of Operations
Python Software Foundation
Cell: 415-319-5237

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hey Hobson,
>
> I?m not sure but Brandon or Ewa Jodlowska (ewa at python.org) would know.
> It?s probably best to discuss this with them directly :)
>
> Sounds like a great idea and thank you for doing this!
> Anna
>
> Am 18.01.2016 um 21:21 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Anna,
>
> Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I can
> help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet
> reminders from any twitter @account.
>
> There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com
> <http://buffer.com>, but they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of
> course a twitter bot could be used for any scheduled announcement
> (sessions, special events, etc), if desired. My colleagues and I have
> proposed a tutorial session on building a twitter scheduling bot, so this
> would not be much additional work.
>
> --Hobson
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> That is a great idea, Brandon!
>>
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>
>> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all
>> that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open
>> space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>>
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with
>>> because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and
>>> read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would
>>> happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots,
>>> just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>>>
>>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks!
>>> Astronomy!
>>>
>>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If
>>> there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we
>>> advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be
>>> @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in
>>> 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe
>>> the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a
>>> way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that
>>> they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>>>
>>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for
>>> people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction,
>>> instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center
>>> and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me,
>>>> Hobson!
>>>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
>>>> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
>>>> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
>>>> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
>>>> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
>>>> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
>>>> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
>>>> people do what they love.
>>>>
>>>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list
>>>> of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics
>>>> at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and
>>>> somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their
>>>> opinion on this.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about
>>>> the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees
>>>> about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
>>>> offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
>>>> know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
>>>> such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
>>>> If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
>>>> and activity suggestion a bit.
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> (503) 974-6274
>>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane>
>>>> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>>>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>>>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is
>>>>> to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>>>>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>>>>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>>>>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>>>>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>>>>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>>>>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>>>>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>>>>> there in case of questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not
>>>>> necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves
>>>>> onsite :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards,
>>>>> assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>>>>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>>>>> delete anything I put up.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the
>>>>>> first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you.
>>>>>> Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>>>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While
>>>>>>> our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>>>>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to.
>>>>>>> If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello
>>>>>>> name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To
>>>>>>> Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or
>>>>>>> move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>>>>> board.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to
>>>>>>> contact me anytime :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brandon Rhodes
>>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
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From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:30:01 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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> Am 18.01.2016 um 21:26 schrieb Ewa Jodlowska <ewa at python.org>:
> 
> FYI - we are both on this mailing list :)
> 
> Brandon composes the tweets and I too have access to the account.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ewa
> Director of Operations
> Python Software Foundation
> Cell: 415-319-5237
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Hey Hobson,
> 
> I?m not sure but Brandon or Ewa Jodlowska (ewa at python.org <mailto:ewa at python.org>) would know. It?s probably best to discuss this with them directly :)
> 
> Sounds like a great idea and thank you for doing this!
> Anna
> 
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 21:21 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi Anna,
>> 
>> Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I can help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet reminders from any twitter @account.
>> 
>> There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com <http://buffer.com/>, but they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of course a twitter bot could be used for any scheduled announcement (sessions, special events, etc), if desired. My colleagues and I have proposed a tutorial session on building a twitter scheduling bot, so this would not be much additional work. 
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> That is a great idea, Brandon!
>> 
>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots, just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>>> 
>>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks! Astronomy!
>>> 
>>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>>> 
>>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction, instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
>>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 
>>> 
>>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>> 
>>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>>>> 
>>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Anna 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Brandon Rhodes
>>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From pycon.brandon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:43:49 2016
From: pycon.brandon at gmail.com (Brandon Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:43:49 -0500
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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If we decide that these announcements will work best as an opt-in
experience, where we point people at a second account like
@pycon_open_spaces or @pycon_events or @pycon_reminders, then there might
not be any need to spend time on automation. We would give the Open Spaces
committee the credentials to tweet directly to that account, and 15 minutes
before each hour (or whatever) when you checked the board to vet the
upcoming slate of Open Spaces you'd write their topics into a quick tweet.

If instead we decide that these could be tweeted directly from the main
@pycon account, and that the extra dozens of tweets wouldn't drive people
to unfollow @pycon ? remembering especially that most of our 15.1k
followers won't be at the conference and would get zero benefit from these
hourly tweets ? then I'd still probably prefer to avoid a solution that
copied tweet content from one account to another, and instead have @pycon
simply retweet what the other account had just tweeted. That way people
could avoid the noise by (if they know about the feature) turning off
retweets without completely unfollowing @pycon.

But: given that only 3k of our 15k followers will be at the conference, I'm
fairly unlikely to want us to be tweeting hourly events from @pycon. I'm
really preferring something like @pycon_events or even @pycon_onsite as the
channel for by-the-minute event updates that aren't really major (though
it's fine for one-off announcements like canceled talks and 3?4 big events
a day to tweet from @pycon, I think, that's totally expected) and if we
just give the Open Spaces committee access to that account, then there
won't be a need for an IFTTT-style copy of text from one stream of tweets
to another.

But this is really a topic I've not thought about much. I'll go back later
today and look over how the @pycon Twitter account was used during each of
the three main conference days during Montr?al 2015, and follow up here
with further thoughts!

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Anna,
>
> Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I can
> help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet
> reminders from any twitter @account.
>
> There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com,
> but they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of course a twitter bot
> could be used for any scheduled announcement (sessions, special events,
> etc), if desired. My colleagues and I have proposed a tutorial session on
> building a twitter scheduling bot, so this would not be much additional
> work.
>
> --Hobson
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> That is a great idea, Brandon!
>>
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>
>> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all
>> that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open
>> space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>>
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with
>>> because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and
>>> read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would
>>> happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots,
>>> just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>>>
>>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks!
>>> Astronomy!
>>>
>>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If
>>> there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we
>>> advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be
>>> @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in
>>> 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe
>>> the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a
>>> way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that
>>> they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>>>
>>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for
>>> people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction,
>>> instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center
>>> and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me,
>>>> Hobson!
>>>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
>>>> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
>>>> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
>>>> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
>>>> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
>>>> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
>>>> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
>>>> people do what they love.
>>>>
>>>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list
>>>> of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics
>>>> at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and
>>>> somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their
>>>> opinion on this.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about
>>>> the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees
>>>> about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities
>>>> offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I
>>>> know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from
>>>> such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets.
>>>> If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic
>>>> and activity suggestion a bit.
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>>
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> (503) 974-6274
>>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane>
>>>> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>>>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>>>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is
>>>>> to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>>>>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>>>>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>>>>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>>>>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>>>>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>>>>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>>>>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>>>>> there in case of questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not
>>>>> necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves
>>>>> onsite :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards,
>>>>> assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>>>>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>>>>> delete anything I put up.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the
>>>>>> first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you.
>>>>>> Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>>>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While
>>>>>>> our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to
>>>>>>> check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to.
>>>>>>> If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello
>>>>>>> name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To
>>>>>>> Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or
>>>>>>> move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>>>>> board.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to
>>>>>>> contact me anytime :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brandon Rhodes
>>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Brandon Rhodes
PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
pycon.brandon at gmail.com
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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 16:21:37 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:21:37 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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Thank you for sharing your thinking. I agree that tweeting from @python.org
about all pycon events may not be good. I like your opt-in approach. I look
forward to hearing what you come up with.

You've got a new tool that wasn't available in Montreal, a tweet queuing
bot. Even for tweets from @pycon_events, Anna and other organizers might
enjoy having a twitter bot to allow them more time to get creative with the
announcement text. They can review the open-spaces board whenever they walk
by, and not have to worry about hitting the send button at the right time
for each event. The "queue" of tweets could serve as the "checkmark" next
to an open-space event, indicating that it has been reviewed and approved
by Anna and the committee. It could even populate a dynamic list deep in
the open-spaces page on python.org. Might be a nice way for committees to
work together in a distributed, efficient, transparent way. But if
organizers are more comfortable with pencil and paper, and thumbtacks, I
can totally appreciate that too. There doesn't need to be an app for
everything ;)

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If we decide that these announcements will work best as an opt-in
> experience, where we point people at a second account like
> @pycon_open_spaces or @pycon_events or @pycon_reminders, then there might
> not be any need to spend time on automation. We would give the Open Spaces
> committee the credentials to tweet directly to that account, and 15 minutes
> before each hour (or whatever) when you checked the board to vet the
> upcoming slate of Open Spaces you'd write their topics into a quick tweet.
>
> If instead we decide that these could be tweeted directly from the main
> @pycon account, and that the extra dozens of tweets wouldn't drive people
> to unfollow @pycon ? remembering especially that most of our 15.1k
> followers won't be at the conference and would get zero benefit from these
> hourly tweets ? then I'd still probably prefer to avoid a solution that
> copied tweet content from one account to another, and instead have @pycon
> simply retweet what the other account had just tweeted. That way people
> could avoid the noise by (if they know about the feature) turning off
> retweets without completely unfollowing @pycon.
>
> But: given that only 3k of our 15k followers will be at the conference,
> I'm fairly unlikely to want us to be tweeting hourly events from @pycon.
> I'm really preferring something like @pycon_events or even @pycon_onsite as
> the channel for by-the-minute event updates that aren't really major
> (though it's fine for one-off announcements like canceled talks and 3?4 big
> events a day to tweet from @pycon, I think, that's totally expected) and if
> we just give the Open Spaces committee access to that account, then there
> won't be a need for an IFTTT-style copy of text from one stream of tweets
> to another.
>
> But this is really a topic I've not thought about much. I'll go back later
> today and look over how the @pycon Twitter account was used during each of
> the three main conference days during Montr?al 2015, and follow up here
> with further thoughts!
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anna,
>>
>> Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I
>> can help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet
>> reminders from any twitter @account.
>>
>> There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com,
>> but they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of course a twitter bot
>> could be used for any scheduled announcement (sessions, special events,
>> etc), if desired. My colleagues and I have proposed a tutorial session on
>> building a twitter scheduling bot, so this would not be much additional
>> work.
>>
>> --Hobson
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> That is a great idea, Brandon!
>>>
>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be
>>> all that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open
>>> space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>>>
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <
>>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with
>>>> because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and
>>>> read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would
>>>> happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots,
>>>> just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>>>>
>>>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks!
>>>> Astronomy!
>>>>
>>>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If
>>>> there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we
>>>> advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be
>>>> @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in
>>>> 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe
>>>> the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a
>>>> way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that
>>>> they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>>>>
>>>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for
>>>> people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction,
>>>> instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center
>>>> and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me,
>>>>> Hobson!
>>>>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think
>>>>> polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the
>>>>> Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike
>>>>> talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did
>>>>> a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some
>>>>> sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they
>>>>> would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting
>>>>> people do what they love.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list
>>>>> of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics
>>>>> at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and
>>>>> somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their
>>>>> opinion on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers
>>>>> about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform
>>>>> attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of
>>>>> topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended
>>>>> in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have
>>>>> benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on
>>>>> neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have
>>>>> adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>>
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> (503) 974-6274
>>>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane>
>>>>> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
>>>>> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
>>>>> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is
>>>>>> to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the
>>>>>> Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their
>>>>>> own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open
>>>>>> Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize
>>>>>> each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic,
>>>>>> pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to
>>>>>> make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make
>>>>>> sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be
>>>>>> there in case of questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not
>>>>>> necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves
>>>>>> onsite :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards,
>>>>>> assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards
>>>>>> correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or
>>>>>> delete anything I put up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the
>>>>>>> first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you.
>>>>>>> Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".
>>>>>>> Could you re-add me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months.
>>>>>>>> While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just
>>>>>>>> wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to.
>>>>>>>> If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello
>>>>>>>> name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and
>>>>>>>> collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To
>>>>>>>> Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or
>>>>>>>> move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to
>>>>>>>> tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty
>>>>>>>> self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it
>>>>>>>> to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done?
>>>>>>>> board.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the
>>>>>>>> latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at
>>>>>>>> the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free
>>>>>>>> to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with
>>>>>>>> until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early
>>>>>>>> people might forget about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to
>>>>>>>> contact me anytime :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brandon Rhodes
>>>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>>>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Mon Jan 18 16:27:30 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:27:30 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces planning
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I like that idea Hobson!

I was just planning on using Tweetdeck since sending out each tweet manually at the right time would be really stressful but your idea sounds even better.

Let?s hear what Brandon and Ewa think about this :)
Anna
> Am 18.01.2016 um 22:21 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> Thank you for sharing your thinking. I agree that tweeting from @python.org <http://python.org/> about all pycon events may not be good. I like your opt-in approach. I look forward to hearing what you come up with. 
> 
> You've got a new tool that wasn't available in Montreal, a tweet queuing bot. Even for tweets from @pycon_events, Anna and other organizers might enjoy having a twitter bot to allow them more time to get creative with the announcement text. They can review the open-spaces board whenever they walk by, and not have to worry about hitting the send button at the right time for each event. The "queue" of tweets could serve as the "checkmark" next to an open-space event, indicating that it has been reviewed and approved by Anna and the committee. It could even populate a dynamic list deep in the open-spaces page on python.org <http://python.org/>. Might be a nice way for committees to work together in a distributed, efficient, transparent way. But if organizers are more comfortable with pencil and paper, and thumbtacks, I can totally appreciate that too. There doesn't need to be an app for everything ;)
> 
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>> wrote:
> If we decide that these announcements will work best as an opt-in experience, where we point people at a second account like @pycon_open_spaces or @pycon_events or @pycon_reminders, then there might not be any need to spend time on automation. We would give the Open Spaces committee the credentials to tweet directly to that account, and 15 minutes before each hour (or whatever) when you checked the board to vet the upcoming slate of Open Spaces you'd write their topics into a quick tweet.
> 
> If instead we decide that these could be tweeted directly from the main @pycon account, and that the extra dozens of tweets wouldn't drive people to unfollow @pycon ? remembering especially that most of our 15.1k followers won't be at the conference and would get zero benefit from these hourly tweets ? then I'd still probably prefer to avoid a solution that copied tweet content from one account to another, and instead have @pycon simply retweet what the other account had just tweeted. That way people could avoid the noise by (if they know about the feature) turning off retweets without completely unfollowing @pycon.
> 
> But: given that only 3k of our 15k followers will be at the conference, I'm fairly unlikely to want us to be tweeting hourly events from @pycon. I'm really preferring something like @pycon_events or even @pycon_onsite as the channel for by-the-minute event updates that aren't really major (though it's fine for one-off announcements like canceled talks and 3?4 big events a day to tweet from @pycon, I think, that's totally expected) and if we just give the Open Spaces committee access to that account, then there won't be a need for an IFTTT-style copy of text from one stream of tweets to another.
> 
> But this is really a topic I've not thought about much. I'll go back later today and look over how the @pycon Twitter account was used during each of the three main conference days during Montr?al 2015, and follow up here with further thoughts! 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Who is responsible for composing and sending tweets? If they'd like, I can help the twitter organizer develop a twitter bot to queue up and tweet reminders from any twitter @account.
> 
> There are commercial webapps that can do that as well, like Buffer.com, but they aren't open source and aren't python ;) Of course a twitter bot could be used for any scheduled announcement (sessions, special events, etc), if desired. My colleagues and I have proposed a tutorial session on building a twitter scheduling bot, so this would not be much additional work. 
> 
> --Hobson
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> That is a great idea, Brandon!
> 
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> I think you might be right, Brandon. An opt-in push approach might be all that's needed. A link to an iCal and Coogle calendar item for each open space might be the easiest way to accomplish that opt-in "reminder" feature.
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Brandon Rhodes <pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I suspect that open spaces are simply hard for people to keep up with because we do a ?pull model? ? people have to go walk up to the board and read all the little cards to see what is going on. I wonder what would happen if we, every hour 15 minutes before the start of the next slots, just tweeted a brief tweet like:
>> 
>> 3pm Open Spaces: Robotics! PyLadies organizers! New web frameworks! Astronomy!
>> 
>> The downside is that it would make our Twitter account very noisy. If there were a separate @pycon_open_spaces Twitter account that we advertised, I wonder how many people would follow it? Or maybe it should be @pycon_events or @pycon_alerts and we could also tweet ?lightning talks in 15 minutes!? and ?PyLadies auction starts at 7pm? and so forth? Or maybe the mobile app has an alerts channel that people could subscribe to, or a way that we could update Open Spaces 15 minutes before every hour so that they came up in everyone's mobile app?
>> 
>> Of course I might be crazy. But it feels like there should be a way for people to ask for Open Spaces notifications to be pushed their direction, instead of having to remember to go walk across the whole conference center and back to the Open Spaces board to see what is going on the next hour.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> That?s an interesting thought. Thank you for explaining that to me, Hobson!
>> So I?m a bit torn. On the one hand I understand the issue and think polling might be a good idea, on the other hand the big advantage of the Open Spaces is that they are very ?free? and informal in a way, unlike talks, which are chosen based on what people would like to see so if we did a poll I?m afraid we might scare people away from Open Spaces or put some sort of pressure on them to offer what others want to see and not what they would like their Open Space to be about. In general I?m a fan of letting people do what they love. 
>> 
>> If we did the poll beforehand it would also be an issue that our list of topics wouldn?t be extensive because people tend to come up with topics at PyCon spontaneously. I wonder if we could put up a second board and somehow facilitate a poll onsite but that?s just a thought.
>> 
>> Maybe Kinga and Brandon can chime in. I?d be interested in their opinion on this.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>> 
>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Gotcha. Perhaps polling would still be a way to inform organizers about the interests of their audience. It's also a good way to inform attendees about open spaces and get their "buy-in" for the range of topics/activities offered. Some of the open spaces seemed lightly attended in past years. I know when I hosted an open space last year, I would have benefited from such a survey. Only one person showed up to my open space on neural nets. If I'd known the interest level was so low I might have adjusted my topic and activity suggestion a bit.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Thank you Hobson!
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to clarify what our job as the Open Space committee is to make sure we?re all on the same page. Our main job is to facilitate the Open Spaces, which means we make it possible for people to organize their own little Open Spaces by providing rooms, a sign up board, ideas for Open Spaces, general infrastructure, and promotion. Our job is not to organize each little Open Space ourselves. The PyCon attendees will pick a topic, pick a room and a time onsite themselves. Onsite our main job will be to make sure to put up the sign up board everyday, monitor the board and make sure the Open Space topics are CoC appropriate, document the topics, and be there in case of questions.
>>> 
>>> I hope this clarifies while voting on topics for example is not necessary as the people will sort of make that decision for themselves onsite :)
>>> 
>>> Have a good week everyone and please feel free to add new cards, assign yourselves to cards, etc.
>>> 
>>> Anna 
>>> 
>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you. I may not have been logging on or searching for boards correctly. I see it now, and I added a couple cards. Feel free to edit or delete anything I put up.
>>>> 
>>>> --Hobson
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:02 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hobson,
>>>> 
>>>> I must have added the wrong Hobson Lane (user name hobsonlane) the first time. That?s strange because I used your email address to find you. Anyway, just readded you under the right user name :)
>>>> 
>>>> Anna
>>>>> Am 15.01.2016 um 14:49 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I cant find the Open Space trello board under my user name "hobs".  Could you re-add me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Hobson
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2016 10:20 AM, "Anna Ossowski" <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Hobson and Kinga,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope you?re both well!
>>>>> It?s the new year and PyCon is happening in just a few months. While our main work won?t start until closer to the conference, I just wanted to check in with both of you so we can start planning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just created a Trello board for us, which I added both of you to. If you didn?t get added for some reason, please let me know your Trello name and I?ll add you again. Trello is a great tool for planning and collaboration so I thought it would be useful for us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I created 5 boards so far ?To Do?, ?In Progress?, ?Done?, To Contact?, and ?Ideas?. Please feel free to create new boards, add cards, or move cards around. I would also like to encourage you to assign yourself to tasks that you would like to tackle. I think the board names are pretty self-explanatory :) When you start working on a task, please just move it to the ?In Progress? board and when it?s done please move it to the ?Done? board.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My guess is that we should start working on things in March at the latest to have enough time to get everything done before PyCon starts at the end of May but there are things we can start preparing now so feel free to tackle tasks whenever you have time. The only thing we should wait with until closer to PyCon is contacting people. If we contact them too early people might forget about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or need anything, please feel free to contact me anytime :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brandon Rhodes
>> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
>> pycon.brandon at gmail.com <mailto:pycon.brandon at gmail.com>
> 
> 
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> 
> -- 
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> PyCon 2016 Conference Chair
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Tue Jan 19 18:48:08 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 00:48:08 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Event tweet idea
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Hello everyone!

I put a little more thought into the idea we discussed yesterday about tweeting about the Open Spaces to remind people of when which Open Space is happening, and wanted to share my thoughts with you.
I love the idea of having a @pycon_events Twitter account and tweeting out reminders about the Open Spaces shortly before they start. I believe this could lead to higher attendance of the Open Spaces since checking the board a few times a day can be a hassle for attendees, especially since PyCon is a pretty busy event.
What I do feel a worried and stressed about though is the amount of tweets I/we would have to create, schedule, get out and maybe respond to several times a day. I do social media as part of my my job and other projects like PyLadies Remote and it can be extremely stressful if you want to do it well. I personally am a little worried about not being able to keep up with it well for the Open Spaces especially since there would be some time pressure.

I was therefore pondering the idea of having two boards up for sign up: Let?s say on the first day people can sign up for the first and second day, on the second day people can sign up for the second and third day and so on. Some conferences also have people sign up online for the first day (which I personally don?t think is such a great idea but we could certainly discuss it) but if we had two boards up for two days everyday this would make it easier for people to plan and integrate the Open Spaces into their personal PyCon schedule, plus  it might also make it a little easier for us because we could plan ahead.

The Twitter idea is surely a great one but we?re only a small team of volunteers and I think we don?t want to run around and be stressed about getting the right tweets out at the right time all day but also enjoy PyCon so I?m not sure if this is feasible for us :) I would therefore suggest to try out having two sign up boards this year and see how it goes. We can always improve things for the future.

I would love to hear your thoughts!
Anna

From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 20:50:02 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:50:02 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Event tweet idea
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I agree Anna. Composing thoughtful, timely tweets and replies would
certainly be a big effort. That's way too much.

But what about just checking the board once every 2 hours and buffering (in
tweetdeck) a generic reminder tweet before each openspace? That would be a
big help to attendees and open space hosts. All that's required of us is
that one of us check the board every 2 hours and make sure the next two
hours are reflected in the tweets on tweetdeck. If we rotated board duty
we'd only have to check it once in the morning and once in the afternoon
each. If a card goes up on the board within a couple hours or so before a
new open space is scheduled, I don't think the host or attendees should
expect a reminder tweet to go out.

Your two-board idea is an interesting one, but a two-hour "sliding window"
might do much more to help smooth things out.

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I put a little more thought into the idea we discussed yesterday about
> tweeting about the Open Spaces to remind people of when which Open Space is
> happening, and wanted to share my thoughts with you.
> I love the idea of having a @pycon_events Twitter account and tweeting out
> reminders about the Open Spaces shortly before they start. I believe this
> could lead to higher attendance of the Open Spaces since checking the board
> a few times a day can be a hassle for attendees, especially since PyCon is
> a pretty busy event.
> What I do feel a worried and stressed about though is the amount of tweets
> I/we would have to create, schedule, get out and maybe respond to several
> times a day. I do social media as part of my my job and other projects like
> PyLadies Remote and it can be extremely stressful if you want to do it
> well. I personally am a little worried about not being able to keep up with
> it well for the Open Spaces especially since there would be some time
> pressure.
>
> I was therefore pondering the idea of having two boards up for sign up:
> Let?s say on the first day people can sign up for the first and second day,
> on the second day people can sign up for the second and third day and so
> on. Some conferences also have people sign up online for the first day
> (which I personally don?t think is such a great idea but we could certainly
> discuss it) but if we had two boards up for two days everyday this would
> make it easier for people to plan and integrate the Open Spaces into their
> personal PyCon schedule, plus  it might also make it a little easier for us
> because we could plan ahead.
>
> The Twitter idea is surely a great one but we?re only a small team of
> volunteers and I think we don?t want to run around and be stressed about
> getting the right tweets out at the right time all day but also enjoy PyCon
> so I?m not sure if this is feasible for us :) I would therefore suggest to
> try out having two sign up boards this year and see how it goes. We can
> always improve things for the future.
>
> I would love to hear your thoughts!
> Anna
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Tue Jan 19 22:44:58 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 04:44:58 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Event tweet idea
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Hey Hobson,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.

I like the idea but I still have my doubts whether this approach is feasible for us. I?ve been to PyCon and other conferences. I don?t constantly check Twitter during the conference on purpose because it simply overwhelms me to attend talks, chat to people, and monitor what?s going on on social media at the same time. If I would get several notifications every 2 hours about Open Spaces happening I would probably be even more overwhelmed or even annoyed at some point. Also I don?t know about other people, but I personally plan my day ahead and very rarely decide to attend talks or Open Spaces spontaneously. Also I still believe the tweet approach would be a stress factor for our little team.

The two board system has the advantage of being simple, yet it gives people a good overview. Last year I personally just took a picture of the board to remember which Open Spaces I wanted to attend. If we think that a notification system is absolutely necessary I would take a different approach and integrate it into the app PyCon uses which lets people see all talks/tutorials/etc. and save them to their own personal event calendar (forgot what the name of that app is). On Monday evening for example we could then go ahead and feed the app with all Open Spaces for Tuesday, which would give people time to plan the Open Spaces into their schedule for the next day. The app also has the ability to let you schedule your own reminders if you wish to be reminded of events, and it is fairly easy to update the app in case of schedule changes, which might get confusing on Twitter.

Thank you!
Anna



 
> Am 20.01.2016 um 02:50 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> I agree Anna. Composing thoughtful, timely tweets and replies would certainly be a big effort. That's way too much. 
> 
> But what about just checking the board once every 2 hours and buffering (in tweetdeck) a generic reminder tweet before each openspace? That would be a big help to attendees and open space hosts. All that's required of us is that one of us check the board every 2 hours and make sure the next two hours are reflected in the tweets on tweetdeck. If we rotated board duty we'd only have to check it once in the morning and once in the afternoon each. If a card goes up on the board within a couple hours or so before a new open space is scheduled, I don't think the host or attendees should expect a reminder tweet to go out.
> 
> Your two-board idea is an interesting one, but a two-hour "sliding window" might do much more to help smooth things out.
> 
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> 
> I put a little more thought into the idea we discussed yesterday about tweeting about the Open Spaces to remind people of when which Open Space is happening, and wanted to share my thoughts with you.
> I love the idea of having a @pycon_events Twitter account and tweeting out reminders about the Open Spaces shortly before they start. I believe this could lead to higher attendance of the Open Spaces since checking the board a few times a day can be a hassle for attendees, especially since PyCon is a pretty busy event.
> What I do feel a worried and stressed about though is the amount of tweets I/we would have to create, schedule, get out and maybe respond to several times a day. I do social media as part of my my job and other projects like PyLadies Remote and it can be extremely stressful if you want to do it well. I personally am a little worried about not being able to keep up with it well for the Open Spaces especially since there would be some time pressure.
> 
> I was therefore pondering the idea of having two boards up for sign up: Let?s say on the first day people can sign up for the first and second day, on the second day people can sign up for the second and third day and so on. Some conferences also have people sign up online for the first day (which I personally don?t think is such a great idea but we could certainly discuss it) but if we had two boards up for two days everyday this would make it easier for people to plan and integrate the Open Spaces into their personal PyCon schedule, plus  it might also make it a little easier for us because we could plan ahead.
> 
> The Twitter idea is surely a great one but we?re only a small team of volunteers and I think we don?t want to run around and be stressed about getting the right tweets out at the right time all day but also enjoy PyCon so I?m not sure if this is feasible for us :) I would therefore suggest to try out having two sign up boards this year and see how it goes. We can always improve things for the future.
> 
> I would love to hear your thoughts!
> Anna
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
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From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 22:56:57 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Event tweet idea
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I think the tweeting would be much more manageable than you are imagining.
But I'm sure your 2-board approach will be perfectly adequate. Maybe we can
brainstorm other ways to help improve buy-in and attendance at open spaces
without being too much work for anyone. Perhaps helping hosts tweet a
survey and/or announcement from their own account? An open space proposal
card could include a place for a twitter account name so that attendees can
follow specific open-spaces that they're interested. If I think of any
other ideas I'll share. Look forward to hearing yours as well.

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hey Hobson,
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
>
> I like the idea but I still have my doubts whether this approach is
> feasible for us. I?ve been to PyCon and other conferences. I don?t
> constantly check Twitter during the conference on purpose because it simply
> overwhelms me to attend talks, chat to people, and monitor what?s going on
> on social media at the same time. If I would get several notifications
> every 2 hours about Open Spaces happening I would probably be even more
> overwhelmed or even annoyed at some point. Also I don?t know about other
> people, but I personally plan my day ahead and very rarely decide to attend
> talks or Open Spaces spontaneously. Also I still believe the tweet approach
> would be a stress factor for our little team.
>
> The two board system has the advantage of being simple, yet it gives
> people a good overview. Last year I personally just took a picture of the
> board to remember which Open Spaces I wanted to attend. If we think that a
> notification system is absolutely necessary I would take a different
> approach and integrate it into the app PyCon uses which lets people see all
> talks/tutorials/etc. and save them to their own personal event calendar
> (forgot what the name of that app is). On Monday evening for example we
> could then go ahead and feed the app with all Open Spaces for Tuesday,
> which would give people time to plan the Open Spaces into their schedule
> for the next day. The app also has the ability to let you schedule your own
> reminders if you wish to be reminded of events, and it is fairly easy to
> update the app in case of schedule changes, which might get confusing on
> Twitter.
>
> Thank you!
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 20.01.2016 um 02:50 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
>
> I agree Anna. Composing thoughtful, timely tweets and replies would
> certainly be a big effort. That's way too much.
>
> But what about just checking the board once every 2 hours and buffering
> (in tweetdeck) a generic reminder tweet before each openspace? That would
> be a big help to attendees and open space hosts. All that's required of us
> is that one of us check the board every 2 hours and make sure the next two
> hours are reflected in the tweets on tweetdeck. If we rotated board duty
> we'd only have to check it once in the morning and once in the afternoon
> each. If a card goes up on the board within a couple hours or so before a
> new open space is scheduled, I don't think the host or attendees should
> expect a reminder tweet to go out.
>
> Your two-board idea is an interesting one, but a two-hour "sliding window"
> might do much more to help smooth things out.
>
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
> <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I put a little more thought into the idea we discussed yesterday about
>> tweeting about the Open Spaces to remind people of when which Open Space is
>> happening, and wanted to share my thoughts with you.
>> I love the idea of having a @pycon_events Twitter account and tweeting
>> out reminders about the Open Spaces shortly before they start. I believe
>> this could lead to higher attendance of the Open Spaces since checking the
>> board a few times a day can be a hassle for attendees, especially since
>> PyCon is a pretty busy event.
>> What I do feel a worried and stressed about though is the amount of
>> tweets I/we would have to create, schedule, get out and maybe respond to
>> several times a day. I do social media as part of my my job and other
>> projects like PyLadies Remote and it can be extremely stressful if you want
>> to do it well. I personally am a little worried about not being able to
>> keep up with it well for the Open Spaces especially since there would be
>> some time pressure.
>>
>> I was therefore pondering the idea of having two boards up for sign up:
>> Let?s say on the first day people can sign up for the first and second day,
>> on the second day people can sign up for the second and third day and so
>> on. Some conferences also have people sign up online for the first day
>> (which I personally don?t think is such a great idea but we could certainly
>> discuss it) but if we had two boards up for two days everyday this would
>> make it easier for people to plan and integrate the Open Spaces into their
>> personal PyCon schedule, plus  it might also make it a little easier for us
>> because we could plan ahead.
>>
>> The Twitter idea is surely a great one but we?re only a small team of
>> volunteers and I think we don?t want to run around and be stressed about
>> getting the right tweets out at the right time all day but also enjoy PyCon
>> so I?m not sure if this is feasible for us :) I would therefore suggest to
>> try out having two sign up boards this year and see how it goes. We can
>> always improve things for the future.
>>
>> I would love to hear your thoughts!
>> Anna
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>>
>
>
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Tue Jan 19 23:20:53 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 05:20:53 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Event tweet idea
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Forgot to cc the mailing list.

> Am 20.01.2016 um 05:14 schrieb Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de>:
> 
> That is a great idea to encourage Open Space hosts to put their Twitter handle on the card and tweet about the Open Spaces themselves maybe with the hashtag #pyconopenspaces so those interested in attending the Open Spaces can easily find these tweets. The hashtag could easily be promoted via the official @pycon account.
> 
> I appreciate all your ideas and I?m willing to explore more of them next year. Since this is my first time as Open Spaces chair and our first time working together as a team I just think it?s a good idea to improve things but still keep them simple so we can all get a feel of what this work is like, how time consuming it is beforehand and onsite, and how we work together as a team. So I see this year as an experiment or prototype and next year I?d love to work on even more improvements :) This also means that just because we won?t do something this year, we can?t try it next year so I?d highly like to encourage both you and Kinga to keep adding your ideas to our Trello board.
> 
> Please do know though that I hear and appreciate all your thoughts and ideas, Hobson :)
> Anna
> 
>> Am 20.01.2016 um 04:56 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> I think the tweeting would be much more manageable than you are imagining. But I'm sure your 2-board approach will be perfectly adequate. Maybe we can brainstorm other ways to help improve buy-in and attendance at open spaces without being too much work for anyone. Perhaps helping hosts tweet a survey and/or announcement from their own account? An open space proposal card could include a place for a twitter account name so that attendees can follow specific open-spaces that they're interested. If I think of any other ideas I'll share. Look forward to hearing yours as well.
>> 
>> --Hobson
>> (503) 974-6274
>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> Hey Hobson,
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
>> 
>> I like the idea but I still have my doubts whether this approach is feasible for us. I?ve been to PyCon and other conferences. I don?t constantly check Twitter during the conference on purpose because it simply overwhelms me to attend talks, chat to people, and monitor what?s going on on social media at the same time. If I would get several notifications every 2 hours about Open Spaces happening I would probably be even more overwhelmed or even annoyed at some point. Also I don?t know about other people, but I personally plan my day ahead and very rarely decide to attend talks or Open Spaces spontaneously. Also I still believe the tweet approach would be a stress factor for our little team.
>> 
>> The two board system has the advantage of being simple, yet it gives people a good overview. Last year I personally just took a picture of the board to remember which Open Spaces I wanted to attend. If we think that a notification system is absolutely necessary I would take a different approach and integrate it into the app PyCon uses which lets people see all talks/tutorials/etc. and save them to their own personal event calendar (forgot what the name of that app is). On Monday evening for example we could then go ahead and feed the app with all Open Spaces for Tuesday, which would give people time to plan the Open Spaces into their schedule for the next day. The app also has the ability to let you schedule your own reminders if you wish to be reminded of events, and it is fairly easy to update the app in case of schedule changes, which might get confusing on Twitter.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> Am 20.01.2016 um 02:50 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com <mailto:hobsonlane at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I agree Anna. Composing thoughtful, timely tweets and replies would certainly be a big effort. That's way too much. 
>>> 
>>> But what about just checking the board once every 2 hours and buffering (in tweetdeck) a generic reminder tweet before each openspace? That would be a big help to attendees and open space hosts. All that's required of us is that one of us check the board every 2 hours and make sure the next two hours are reflected in the tweets on tweetdeck. If we rotated board duty we'd only have to check it once in the morning and once in the afternoon each. If a card goes up on the board within a couple hours or so before a new open space is scheduled, I don't think the host or attendees should expect a reminder tweet to go out.
>>> 
>>> Your two-board idea is an interesting one, but a two-hour "sliding window" might do much more to help smooth things out.
>>> 
>>> --Hobson
>>> (503) 974-6274 <tel:%28503%29%20974-6274>
>>> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone!
>>> 
>>> I put a little more thought into the idea we discussed yesterday about tweeting about the Open Spaces to remind people of when which Open Space is happening, and wanted to share my thoughts with you.
>>> I love the idea of having a @pycon_events Twitter account and tweeting out reminders about the Open Spaces shortly before they start. I believe this could lead to higher attendance of the Open Spaces since checking the board a few times a day can be a hassle for attendees, especially since PyCon is a pretty busy event.
>>> What I do feel a worried and stressed about though is the amount of tweets I/we would have to create, schedule, get out and maybe respond to several times a day. I do social media as part of my my job and other projects like PyLadies Remote and it can be extremely stressful if you want to do it well. I personally am a little worried about not being able to keep up with it well for the Open Spaces especially since there would be some time pressure.
>>> 
>>> I was therefore pondering the idea of having two boards up for sign up: Let?s say on the first day people can sign up for the first and second day, on the second day people can sign up for the second and third day and so on. Some conferences also have people sign up online for the first day (which I personally don?t think is such a great idea but we could certainly discuss it) but if we had two boards up for two days everyday this would make it easier for people to plan and integrate the Open Spaces into their personal PyCon schedule, plus  it might also make it a little easier for us because we could plan ahead.
>>> 
>>> The Twitter idea is surely a great one but we?re only a small team of volunteers and I think we don?t want to run around and be stressed about getting the right tweets out at the right time all day but also enjoy PyCon so I?m not sure if this is feasible for us :) I would therefore suggest to try out having two sign up boards this year and see how it goes. We can always improve things for the future.
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear your thoughts!
>>> Anna
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
>>> Pycon-openspaces at python.org <mailto:Pycon-openspaces at python.org>
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces>
>>> 
>> 
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Tue Jan 26 18:50:04 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:50:04 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces Update
Message-ID: <AEF9E931-1E28-462D-B97D-9464F5539E40@gmx.de>

Hey everyone!

I just wanted to update you about a few things and recap some things we discussed to make sure we are all on the same page:

* We will be using two boards for the Open Spaces sign up this year. This will give people the ability to plan a bit more (at least a day) ahead than they have been able to in the past.

* In the past there was the possibility for certain groups/people to reserve an Open Spaces slot in advance before the board was officially up. This has lead to some confusion as sometimes the Open Spaces team forgot to actually mark these reserved times on the board which lead to some rooms and slots being double-booked. In order to prevent this from happening I decided it?s best not to do this this year.
Brandon brought up that this could lead to some groups not being able to announce their Open Spaces ahead of time or not being able to reserve a slot they feel comfortable with. Ewa therefore suggested to add a ?add your own time/room? line to the bottom of the Open Spaces board for the first time this year, which I think is a brilliant idea and which I think will help accommodate ?special wishes? and also give people a little more freedom. Of course the slots there will be limited too but I think it?s worth a try. Last year we noticed for example that people were forming their own little Open Spaces at certain booths in the expo hall rather than using any of the Open Spaces rooms. In addition to that people will be able to sign up for the first day of Open Spaces starting the evening before at the opening reception.

* Regarding the @pycon_events Twitter account and scheduling a tweet for each Open Space as a reminder to people, I still really like the idea in a way but I believe this would be quite the time commitment and also stressful and therefore I don?t think it?s feasible for us to do this this year and therefore would like to postpone the idea until next year. Instead I would like for us to encourage people to tweet about their Open Spaces like Hobson suggested using the hashtag #pyconopenspaces, which we will be promoting via blog posts, Twitter etc. and advertise/announce their own Open Spaces this way. By following the hashtag people interested in attending the Open Spaces will still be up-to-date.

* We discussed the idea of creating some sort of poll to give people interested in organizing an Open Space the chance to ask the PyCon audience for feedback regarding whether their particular Open Space idea evokes enough interest. I?m not against the idea but I?m also not sure how we would pull this off and whether it would really be worth the effort. I wonder if we could also make use of Twitter for that and simply encourage people to tweet something like ?Would anyone be interested in an Open Space on robotics? #pyconopenspaces?. Twitter is usually a great tool for generating feedback of all sorts so I?m pretty positive that this approach would work.

I feel like we?re making a lot of great progress and gathering a lot of ideas and I would like to thank you all for participating in the discussions and keeping the ideas coming. As you may have noticed this year my personal goal for the Open Spaces is to get a feel for them, improve some things, but still make sure all of the ideas are feasible for us. Sometimes an idea sounds great in theory but in practice it doesn?t work out. I believe that after running the Open Spaces as a team for the first time this year we?ll have a much better idea of what it?s like and what we could do for next year so always keep in mind that if an idea is not being taken into account for this year, this doesn?t mean the idea is dead, it just means we will reassess it for next year :)

Finally, I just wanted to inform you that I?m getting ready to travel to and speak at PyTennessee next weekend. I?ll be in the US February 4-19 and will be less available than I usually am so if it takes me longer to get back to you via email, please bear with me.

Thank you and have a great week!
Anna



From hobsonlane at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 18:56:06 2016
From: hobsonlane at gmail.com (Hobson Lane)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:56:06 -0800
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces Update
In-Reply-To: <AEF9E931-1E28-462D-B97D-9464F5539E40@gmx.de>
References: <AEF9E931-1E28-462D-B97D-9464F5539E40@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CACZ_Dofj_tifd_Ps327iFwfZW9ZGMEhkaZcKon_CAELpqh1ayQ@mail.gmail.com>

The twitter poll idea is a good one. We can show open space hosts how to
[tweet a poll/question](
https://blog.twitter.com/2015/introducing-twitter-polls) to the hashtag and
that should give them enough feedback.

--Hobson
(503) 974-6274
gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+
<http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hey everyone!
>
> I just wanted to update you about a few things and recap some things we
> discussed to make sure we are all on the same page:
>
> * We will be using two boards for the Open Spaces sign up this year. This
> will give people the ability to plan a bit more (at least a day) ahead than
> they have been able to in the past.
>
> * In the past there was the possibility for certain groups/people to
> reserve an Open Spaces slot in advance before the board was officially up.
> This has lead to some confusion as sometimes the Open Spaces team forgot to
> actually mark these reserved times on the board which lead to some rooms
> and slots being double-booked. In order to prevent this from happening I
> decided it?s best not to do this this year.
> Brandon brought up that this could lead to some groups not being able to
> announce their Open Spaces ahead of time or not being able to reserve a
> slot they feel comfortable with. Ewa therefore suggested to add a ?add your
> own time/room? line to the bottom of the Open Spaces board for the first
> time this year, which I think is a brilliant idea and which I think will
> help accommodate ?special wishes? and also give people a little more
> freedom. Of course the slots there will be limited too but I think it?s
> worth a try. Last year we noticed for example that people were forming
> their own little Open Spaces at certain booths in the expo hall rather than
> using any of the Open Spaces rooms. In addition to that people will be able
> to sign up for the first day of Open Spaces starting the evening before at
> the opening reception.
>
> * Regarding the @pycon_events Twitter account and scheduling a tweet for
> each Open Space as a reminder to people, I still really like the idea in a
> way but I believe this would be quite the time commitment and also
> stressful and therefore I don?t think it?s feasible for us to do this this
> year and therefore would like to postpone the idea until next year. Instead
> I would like for us to encourage people to tweet about their Open Spaces
> like Hobson suggested using the hashtag #pyconopenspaces, which we will be
> promoting via blog posts, Twitter etc. and advertise/announce their own
> Open Spaces this way. By following the hashtag people interested in
> attending the Open Spaces will still be up-to-date.
>
> * We discussed the idea of creating some sort of poll to give people
> interested in organizing an Open Space the chance to ask the PyCon audience
> for feedback regarding whether their particular Open Space idea evokes
> enough interest. I?m not against the idea but I?m also not sure how we
> would pull this off and whether it would really be worth the effort. I
> wonder if we could also make use of Twitter for that and simply encourage
> people to tweet something like ?Would anyone be interested in an Open Space
> on robotics? #pyconopenspaces?. Twitter is usually a great tool for
> generating feedback of all sorts so I?m pretty positive that this approach
> would work.
>
> I feel like we?re making a lot of great progress and gathering a lot of
> ideas and I would like to thank you all for participating in the
> discussions and keeping the ideas coming. As you may have noticed this year
> my personal goal for the Open Spaces is to get a feel for them, improve
> some things, but still make sure all of the ideas are feasible for us.
> Sometimes an idea sounds great in theory but in practice it doesn?t work
> out. I believe that after running the Open Spaces as a team for the first
> time this year we?ll have a much better idea of what it?s like and what we
> could do for next year so always keep in mind that if an idea is not being
> taken into account for this year, this doesn?t mean the idea is dead, it
> just means we will reassess it for next year :)
>
> Finally, I just wanted to inform you that I?m getting ready to travel to
> and speak at PyTennessee next weekend. I?ll be in the US February 4-19 and
> will be less available than I usually am so if it takes me longer to get
> back to you via email, please bear with me.
>
> Thank you and have a great week!
> Anna
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pycon-openspaces mailing list
> Pycon-openspaces at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-openspaces
>
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From ossanna16 at gmx.de  Tue Jan 26 18:59:01 2016
From: ossanna16 at gmx.de (Anna Ossowski)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Pycon-openspaces] Open Spaces Update
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Sounds good! ?

> Am 27.01.2016 um 00:56 schrieb Hobson Lane <hobsonlane at gmail.com>:
> 
> The twitter poll idea is a good one. We can show open space hosts how to [tweet a poll/question](https://blog.twitter.com/2015/introducing-twitter-polls <https://blog.twitter.com/2015/introducing-twitter-polls>) to the hashtag and that should give them enough feedback.
> 
> --Hobson
> (503) 974-6274
> gh <https://github.com/hobson/> twtr <https://twitter.com/hobsonlane> li <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hobsonlane> g+ <http://plus.google.com/+HobsonLane/> so <http://stackoverflow.com/users/623735/hobs>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Anna Ossowski <ossanna16 at gmx.de <mailto:ossanna16 at gmx.de>> wrote:
> Hey everyone!
> 
> I just wanted to update you about a few things and recap some things we discussed to make sure we are all on the same page:
> 
> * We will be using two boards for the Open Spaces sign up this year. This will give people the ability to plan a bit more (at least a day) ahead than they have been able to in the past.
> 
> * In the past there was the possibility for certain groups/people to reserve an Open Spaces slot in advance before the board was officially up. This has lead to some confusion as sometimes the Open Spaces team forgot to actually mark these reserved times on the board which lead to some rooms and slots being double-booked. In order to prevent this from happening I decided it?s best not to do this this year.
> Brandon brought up that this could lead to some groups not being able to announce their Open Spaces ahead of time or not being able to reserve a slot they feel comfortable with. Ewa therefore suggested to add a ?add your own time/room? line to the bottom of the Open Spaces board for the first time this year, which I think is a brilliant idea and which I think will help accommodate ?special wishes? and also give people a little more freedom. Of course the slots there will be limited too but I think it?s worth a try. Last year we noticed for example that people were forming their own little Open Spaces at certain booths in the expo hall rather than using any of the Open Spaces rooms. In addition to that people will be able to sign up for the first day of Open Spaces starting the evening before at the opening reception.
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> * Regarding the @pycon_events Twitter account and scheduling a tweet for each Open Space as a reminder to people, I still really like the idea in a way but I believe this would be quite the time commitment and also stressful and therefore I don?t think it?s feasible for us to do this this year and therefore would like to postpone the idea until next year. Instead I would like for us to encourage people to tweet about their Open Spaces like Hobson suggested using the hashtag #pyconopenspaces, which we will be promoting via blog posts, Twitter etc. and advertise/announce their own Open Spaces this way. By following the hashtag people interested in attending the Open Spaces will still be up-to-date.
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> * We discussed the idea of creating some sort of poll to give people interested in organizing an Open Space the chance to ask the PyCon audience for feedback regarding whether their particular Open Space idea evokes enough interest. I?m not against the idea but I?m also not sure how we would pull this off and whether it would really be worth the effort. I wonder if we could also make use of Twitter for that and simply encourage people to tweet something like ?Would anyone be interested in an Open Space on robotics? #pyconopenspaces?. Twitter is usually a great tool for generating feedback of all sorts so I?m pretty positive that this approach would work.
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> I feel like we?re making a lot of great progress and gathering a lot of ideas and I would like to thank you all for participating in the discussions and keeping the ideas coming. As you may have noticed this year my personal goal for the Open Spaces is to get a feel for them, improve some things, but still make sure all of the ideas are feasible for us. Sometimes an idea sounds great in theory but in practice it doesn?t work out. I believe that after running the Open Spaces as a team for the first time this year we?ll have a much better idea of what it?s like and what we could do for next year so always keep in mind that if an idea is not being taken into account for this year, this doesn?t mean the idea is dead, it just means we will reassess it for next year :)
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> Finally, I just wanted to inform you that I?m getting ready to travel to and speak at PyTennessee next weekend. I?ll be in the US February 4-19 and will be less available than I usually am so if it takes me longer to get back to you via email, please bear with me.
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> Thank you and have a great week!
> Anna
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