From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM Tue Feb 5 23:09:16 2008 From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:16 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Meeting on Feb 16th - 11AM San Fransisco Bread Co in Conway Message-ID: All.... Lets try this again....I propose a meeting Sat., February 16th 11AM at San Francisco Bread Co. in Conway. All are welcome and encouraged to attend. I will be attending. Hows the food there, I'll be ready for lunch by the time I get down there.... chad Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the addressee or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or distribute this communication to anyone else. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or return e-mail and promptly delete the original message from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080205/fb82ee23/attachment.htm From gslindstrom at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 23:16:31 2008 From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:16:31 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Meeting on Feb 16th - 11AM San Fransisco Bread Co in Conway In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm in. The food is good, but just a tad pricey. If there are only a few of us, we can go next door to Tropical Smoothy or Arbys. SFBC has wifi, though. On Feb 5, 2008 4:09 PM, Chad Cooper wrote: > All.... > > > > Lets try this again....I propose a meeting Sat., February 16th 11AM at > San Francisco Bread Co. in Conway. All are welcome and encouraged to attend. > I *will* be attending. Hows the food there, I'll be ready for lunch by the > time I get down there.... > > > > chad > > *Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential > information and is intended only for the addressee. 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Here's the location...hope to see you there! http://www.google.com/maps?q=san+francisco+bread+company,&near=35.089693 ,-92.412643&cid=35089693,-92412643,4306878920576814164&li=lmd&ie=UTF8&ll =35.089715,-92.412615&spn=0.056255,0.080681&z=14&iwloc=A chad! Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the addressee or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or distribute this communication to anyone else. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or return e-mail and promptly delete the original message from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080214/18fa7578/attachment.htm From kwadroke at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 17:08:04 2008 From: kwadroke at gmail.com (Kwadroke of The Wired) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:08:04 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Meeting reminder - this Saturday Feb 16th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Kwadroke of The Wired wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Chad Cooper wrote: > > > PyAr2 will be meeting at the San Francisco Bread Co in Conway at 11 AM > > this Saturday, Feb 16. Here's the location...hope to see you there! > > > > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/maps?q=san+francisco+bread+company,&near=35.089693,-92.412643&cid=35089693,-92412643,4306878920576814164&li=lmd&ie=UTF8&ll=35.089715,-92.412615&spn=0.056255,0.080681&z=14&iwloc=A > > > > > > > > chad! > > > > *Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential > > information and is intended only for the addressee. 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I don't see a reason we can't combine the 2 meetings. -- Tony Bates - Kwadroke of The Wired Red Hat Certified Engineer Hot Springs Area Linux Users Group - hsalug.org Little Rock Linux Users Group - lrlug.org Central Arkansas Linux Users Group - carlug.org Arkansas Linux Users Group - arlug.org Arkansas Laser Tag - arklt.org Kwadroke.com | Kwadrix.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080214/10679b34/attachment.htm From srilyk at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 20:28:42 2008 From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:28:42 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Loop? Sockets? Message-ID: <333efb450802151128j39bd95f6je10222a7cc8df25c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a question about efficiency I suppose it is. I'm experimenting with a chat type program, and here's question: Would it be considered efficient to run an infinite loop continually opening and reading a file, say while True: f = open('convo.txt', 'r') f = f.readlines() print f Or some variant of that? Or are there sockets(?) or something that would work better? Basically I just want to be able to open it whenever the file is changed, so that seems like overkill (and probably a waste of cycles). TIA, Wayne -- To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being called gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness, every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and exaltation, but stupidity hasn't. - Primo Levi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080215/0ab82142/attachment.htm From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM Fri Feb 15 20:55:33 2008 From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:55:33 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Loop? Sockets? Message-ID: Could you somehow use the last modified time of the file? But you still have to keep constantly checking that timestamp. -----Original Message----- From: W W [mailto:srilyk at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:52 PM Central Standard Time To: pyar2 at python.org Subject: [PyAR2] Loop? Sockets? Hi, I have a question about efficiency I suppose it is. I'm experimenting with a chat type program, and here's question: Would it be considered efficient to run an infinite loop continually opening and reading a file, say while True: f = open('convo.txt', 'r') f = f.readlines() print f Or some variant of that? Or are there sockets(?) or something that would work better? Basically I just want to be able to open it whenever the file is changed, so that seems like overkill (and probably a waste of cycles). TIA, Wayne -- To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being called gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness, every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and exaltation, but stupidity hasn't. - Primo Levi Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the addressee or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or distribute this communication to anyone else. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or return e-mail and promptly delete the original message from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080215/e8f4c5e9/attachment.htm From kwadroke at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 21:13:07 2008 From: kwadroke at gmail.com (Kwadroke of The Wired) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:13:07 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Loop? Sockets? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Chad Cooper wrote: > Could you somehow use the last modified time of the file? But you still > have to keep constantly checking that timestamp. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: W W [mailto:srilyk at gmail.com ] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:52 PM Central Standard Time > To: pyar2 at python.org > Subject: [PyAR2] Loop? Sockets? > > Hi, > > I have a question about efficiency I suppose it is. > > I'm experimenting with a chat type program, and here's question: > > Would it be considered efficient to run an infinite loop continually > opening and reading a file, say > > while True: > f = open('convo.txt', 'r') > f = f.readlines() > print f > > Or some variant of that? Or are there sockets(?) or something that would > work better? Basically I just want to be able to open it whenever the file > is changed, so that seems like overkill (and probably a waste of cycles). > > TIA, > Wayne > > -- > To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being > called gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every > weakness, every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement > and exaltation, but stupidity hasn't. - Primo Levi > > *Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential > information and is intended only for the addressee. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080215/53709b67/attachment.htm From gslindstrom at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 20:10:46 2008 From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:10:46 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] PyAR^2 Meeting Notes 2/16/2008 Message-ID: The inaugural meeting of PyAR^2 was held at San Francisco Bread Company in Conway on Saturday, February 16th at 11:00. Four members, and one potential member, were present. So, we have a Python Users Groups. YoHoo! Now, what do we do? Traditionally, groups follow the 80/20 rule, meaning that 80% of the work is performed by 20% of the members (that's not intended to be a slam, just reality). We, as a group, need something *meaningful* to do and have to generate more interest in Python. WE have a lot of good ideas -- maybe too many! -- but that means we can choose what interests the group and work on those. One way to learn any language is to work on a project. If the project is "real" (that is, one someone might actually want and/or use) it would have a better chance of generating interest. As fate would have it, our "potential" member has a project that would not only be at a good level for us, involving a web framework and database, but would fill a need for an overworked/under-appreciated segment of our health care system. From the very brief discussion we had about it I would think that it is perfect candidate for learning the TurboGears/CherryPy framework. Classes/seminars were requested again, too. We have many people new to Python and classes on "the basics" and "what's next" are needed! We talked about putting on a "mini-conference"; a one-day seminar of classes for High School/College students (and their instructors) showing off Python and applications written in Python (there was general agreement that most people are unaware of Python or anything written in it). The Hot Springs Technology Expo was brought up as a possible alternative for the mini-conference. The expo is an annual gathering of High School tech-heads; it would give us huge exposure and take the burden of organizing a seminar off our shoulders. In addition, since it is a large conference, the Python Software Foundation might be willing to fund someone to come present an introductory class (Steve Holden comes to mind). Greg will look into information about the conference. A web site was discussed. It would be a central place to get information about us. A "calling card". We need to look into hosting (will the PSF host a site?) and think about who can help us design it. This may be another good project for the group. It was suggested that setting up virtual meetings because of the distance between our members. We can move the meetings around the State if we could offer a way for others to wire in. This would also give us a way to handle any group project that we decide to take on. We need to think about a PR effort. A list of contacts at Colleges and High Schools (including school papers) would be a great resource for getting word out about us and our events. Contacts at newspapers and local publications (Sync magazine, for example) would help. Anyone want to step up and start this? More was discussed, but I (Greg) did not get all of it. Frankly, there are way too many good ideas to implement, so we need to talk about what we want to do. I left the meeting excited about the opportunities out there for the taking. What we want to do is up to us. --greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080216/3c9fbe53/attachment.htm From jeff at taupro.com Mon Feb 18 00:53:22 2008 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:53:22 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] Loop? Sockets? In-Reply-To: <333efb450802151128j39bd95f6je10222a7cc8df25c@mail.gmail.com> References: <333efb450802151128j39bd95f6je10222a7cc8df25c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B8C8F2.3050009@taupro.com> W W wrote: > > I have a question about efficiency I suppose it is. > > I'm experimenting with a chat type program, and here's question: > > Would it be considered efficient to run an infinite loop continually > opening and reading a file, say > > while True: > f = open('convo.txt', 'r') > f = f.readlines() > print f > > Or some variant of that? Or are there sockets(?) or something that would > work better? Basically I just want to be able to open it whenever the > file is changed, so that seems like overkill (and probably a waste of > cycles). Hi W, There are several problems with this approach. 1. Will consume lots of CPU. 2. Will run out of open file descriptors since you are re-opening 3. Will get partial data, in that when you re-read the file, the other writer may not be finished yet Use of pyinotify to detect when a file is changed will alleviate #1, and closing after each read will eliminate #2 but you'll need to add special handling of incomplete lines to tackle #3. Sockets really are the correct approach to take on something like this, but you'll need to move to an event-driven arrangement to get most of the benefits. The Twisted framework for Python can do chats like this in about 10 lines of Python source, or if you'd rather learn the low-level details I'd read up about sockets, both Unix/local sockets (talking within a single machine like you are now with a file) and Network sockets (between machines). -Jeff From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM Wed Feb 20 17:44:16 2008 From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:44:16 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] PyAR^2 Meeting Notes 2/16/2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All... First, my apologies for missing the meeting on Saturday, the wife and I both came down with the nasty stomach bug on Friday and were laid up all weekend. Fun times! Now, on with business. Sounds like the meeting went well and was very productive, wish I could have been there. My thoughts: The inaugural meeting of PyAR^2 was held at San Francisco Bread Company in Conway on Saturday, February 16th at 11:00. Four members, and one potential member, were present. So, we have a Python Users Groups. YoHoo! Now, what do we do? Traditionally, groups follow the 80/20 rule, meaning that 80% of the work is performed by 20% of the members (that's not intended to be a slam, just reality). We, as a group, need something *meaningful* to do and have to generate more interest in Python. WE have a lot of good ideas -- maybe too many! -- but that means we can choose what interests the group and work on those. One way to learn any language is to work on a project. If the project is "real" (that is, one someone might actually want and/or use) it would have a better chance of generating interest. As fate would have it, our "potential" member has a project that would not only be at a good level for us, involving a web framework and database, but would fill a need for an overworked/under-appreciated segment of our health care system. >From the very brief discussion we had about it I would think that it is perfect candidate for learning the TurboGears/CherryPy framework. I would love to get into TurboGears/CherryPy, have yet to toy around with either. Classes/seminars were requested again, too. We have many people new to Python and classes on "the basics" and "what's next" are needed! We talked about putting on a "mini-conference"; a one-day seminar of classes for High School/College students (and their instructors) showing off Python and applications written in Python (there was general agreement that most people are unaware of Python or anything written in it). The Hot Springs Technology Expo was brought up as a possible alternative for the mini-conference. The expo is an annual gathering of High School tech-heads; it would give us huge exposure and take the burden of organizing a seminar off our shoulders. In addition, since it is a large conference, the Python Software Foundation might be willing to fund someone to come present an introductory class (Steve Holden comes to mind). Greg will look into information about the conference. Is this the conference: http://www.hssd.net/hsti/index.html ?? Looks interesting. I'm looking around on the site, but can't find anything about the past conferences. I would love to present something there myself, plus it would be good to get my companys name out there too. Anyone been to the conference before? Do tell. A web site was discussed. It would be a central place to get information about us. A "calling card". We need to look into hosting (will the PSF host a site?) and think about who can help us design it. This may be another good project for the group. Could this be another TurboGears project? Hhhmmmmm..... It was suggested that setting up virtual meetings because of the distance between our members. We can move the meetings around the State if we could offer a way for others to wire in. This would also give us a way to handle any group project that we decide to take on. I actually thought about this on Saturday as I was lying in bed sick. I'm a big fan of Skype these days, and since SFB Co has wireless, theres no reason I couldnt just video in. Also, if we get a project going, could we start a chat group on IRC? We need to think about a PR effort. A list of contacts at Colleges and High Schools (including school papers) would be a great resource for getting word out about us and our events. Contacts at newspapers and local publications (Sync magazine, for example) would help. Anyone want to step up and start this? I just requested posting rights on the Happenings in Python User Groups blog (http://python-groups.blogspot.com/), so that will get a little bit of tha word out too. More was discussed, but I (Greg) did not get all of it. Frankly, there are way too many good ideas to implement, so we need to talk about what we want to do. I left the meeting excited about the opportunities out there for the taking. What we want to do is up to us. --greg Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the addressee or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or distribute this communication to anyone else. If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or return e-mail and promptly delete the original message from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/pyar2/attachments/20080220/d7017c23/attachment.htm From kwadroke at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 18:08:43 2008 From: kwadroke at gmail.com (Kwadroke of The Wired) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:08:43 -0600 Subject: [PyAR2] PyAR^2 Meeting Notes 2/16/2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Chad Cooper wrote: > All... > > > > First, my apologies for missing the meeting on Saturday, the wife and I > both came down with the nasty stomach bug on Friday and were laid up all > weekend. Fun times! > > > > Now, on with business. Sounds like the meeting went well and was very > productive, wish I could have been there. My thoughts: > > > > > > The inaugural meeting of PyAR^2 was held at San Francisco Bread Company in > Conway on Saturday, February 16th at 11:00. Four members, and one potential > member, were present. > > So, we have a Python Users Groups. YoHoo! Now, what do we do? > Traditionally, groups follow the 80/20 rule, meaning that 80% of the work > is performed by 20% of the members (that's not intended to be a slam, just > reality). We, as a group, need something *meaningful* to do and have to > generate more interest in Python. WE have a lot of good ideas -- maybe too > many! -- but that means we can choose what interests the group and work on > those. > > One way to learn any language is to work on a project. If the project is > "real" (that is, one someone might actually want and/or use) it would have a > better chance of generating interest. As fate would have it, our > "potential" member has a project that would not only be at a good level for > us, involving a web framework and database, but would fill a need for an > overworked/under-appreciated segment of our health care system. From the > very brief discussion we had about it I would think that it is perfect > candidate for learning the TurboGears/CherryPy framework. > > I would love to get into TurboGears/CherryPy, have yet to toy around with > either. > > > Classes/seminars were requested again, too. We have many people new to > Python and classes on "the basics" and "what's next" are needed! > > We talked about putting on a "mini-conference"; a one-day seminar of > classes for High School/College students (and their instructors) showing off > Python and applications written in Python (there was general agreement that > most people are unaware of Python or anything written in it). The Hot > Springs Technology Expo was brought up as a possible alternative for the > mini-conference. The expo is an annual gathering of High School tech-heads; > it would give us huge exposure and take the burden of organizing a seminar > off our shoulders. In addition, since it is a large conference, the Python > Software Foundation might be willing to fund someone to come present an > introductory class (Steve Holden comes to mind). Greg will look into > information about the conference. > > > > Is this the conference: http://www.hssd.net/hsti/index.html ?? > > Looks interesting. I'm looking around on the site, but can't find anything > about the past conferences. I would love to present something there myself, > plus it would be good to get my companys name out there too. Anyone been to > the conference before? Do tell. > That's it. I've been to HSTI about 3 times with LRLUG, but it's been about 3 years since we've done it. We got a booth for free since we were a not a for-profit group and did classes there. Hopefully this offer would still stand. > > A web site was discussed. It would be a central place to get information > about us. A "calling card". We need to look into hosting (will the PSF > host a site?) and think about who can help us design it. This may be > another good project for the group. > > > > Could this be another TurboGears project? Hhhmmmmm..... > > It was suggested that setting up virtual meetings because of the distance > between our members. We can move the meetings around the State if we could > offer a way for others to wire in. This would also give us a way to handle > any group project that we decide to take on. > > > > I actually thought about this on Saturday as I was lying in bed sick. I'm > a big fan of Skype these days, and since SFB Co has wireless, theres no > reason I couldnt just video in. Also, if we get a project going, could we > start a chat group on IRC? > We are looking at doing some sort of video conference. From what I see Skype does a 2 user video conference. But there was discussion on using some other video services. Of course an audio conference can be done via many different services including Skype. > > > We need to think about a PR effort. A list of contacts at Colleges and > High Schools (including school papers) would be a great resource for getting > word out about us and our events. Contacts at newspapers and local > publications (Sync magazine, for example) would help. Anyone want to step > up and start this? > > > > I just requested posting rights on the Happenings in Python User Groups > blog (http://python-groups.blogspot.com/), so that will get a little bit > of tha word out too. > > > More was discussed, but I (Greg) did not get all of it. Frankly, there > are way too many good ideas to implement, so we need to talk about what we > want to do. I left the meeting excited about the opportunities out there > for the taking. What we want to do is up to us. > > --greg > > *Notice: This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential > information and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the > addressee or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you > may not copy or distribute this communication to anyone else. 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