From sdeibel at wingware.com Wed Oct 5 21:53:38 2005 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Better fund raising for the PSF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I've received absolutely no response from the message below. If there is interest, please let me know before I recommend disbanding the PSC at the next board meeting. Thanks, - Stephan On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Stephan Deibel wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to try to build a better fund raising capability for the > PSF. While the PSF has done OK obtaining new sponsors by osmosis, and > has done reasonably well through PyCon sponsorships, I think a > manageable amount of additional effort could really increase our > visibility as a worthy charitable organization. > > For example, we could send a semi-monthly news letter + appeal for > donations to CLP, we could seek out potential corporate donors more > agressively, we could make recommendations to the board on how to > restructure available sponsor/donor opportunities to make those more > attractive, we could start a recurring donor program and/or send > solicitations to past donors say 2X/year, and so forth. > > In the past year, we've started our grants program (with some success, > tho projects are still going on), we've funded a website redesign > (which I hope will soon get over the deployment hump), and of course > we continue to be the money bag behind PyCon which may in future years > require increasingly larger $ commitments from the PSF. So there are > certainly compelling reasons to donate to the PSF. > > Are there people on this list that are interested *and able* to help > with any of this? > > I should note that the PSF has the Python Support Committee (PSC) that > is chartered to work on this kind of thing, but it has done nothing > recently and there appears to be no interest or time available among > its current members to work on this. My intention as chairman of that > committee is to reform it with a fresh pool of volunteers, if some can > be found here. > > Thanks! > > Stephan Deibel > Chairman of the Board > Python Software Foundation > > http://python.org/psf > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Volunteers mailing list > PSF-Volunteers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > From csotelop at yahoo.es Wed Oct 5 22:15:27 2005 From: csotelop at yahoo.es (Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:15:27 -0500 Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Better fund raising for the PSF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4344345F.3040706@yahoo.es> Hi Stephan I can undertand your proposal, but I don't understand what kinf of help are you writing. What must be do expecificly if some of us decided help you. Stephan Deibel wrote: > Hi, > > I've received absolutely no response from the message below. If > there is interest, please let me know before I recommend disbanding > the PSC at the next board meeting. > > Thanks, > > - Stephan > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Stephan Deibel wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I would like to try to build a better fund raising capability for the >>PSF. While the PSF has done OK obtaining new sponsors by osmosis, and >>has done reasonably well through PyCon sponsorships, I think a >>manageable amount of additional effort could really increase our >>visibility as a worthy charitable organization. >> >>For example, we could send a semi-monthly news letter + appeal for >>donations to CLP, we could seek out potential corporate donors more >>agressively, we could make recommendations to the board on how to >>restructure available sponsor/donor opportunities to make those more >>attractive, we could start a recurring donor program and/or send >>solicitations to past donors say 2X/year, and so forth. >> >>In the past year, we've started our grants program (with some success, >>tho projects are still going on), we've funded a website redesign >>(which I hope will soon get over the deployment hump), and of course >>we continue to be the money bag behind PyCon which may in future years >>require increasingly larger $ commitments from the PSF. So there are >>certainly compelling reasons to donate to the PSF. >> >>Are there people on this list that are interested *and able* to help >>with any of this? >> >>I should note that the PSF has the Python Support Committee (PSC) that >>is chartered to work on this kind of thing, but it has done nothing >>recently and there appears to be no interest or time available among >>its current members to work on this. My intention as chairman of that >>committee is to reform it with a fresh pool of volunteers, if some can >>be found here. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Stephan Deibel >>Chairman of the Board >>Python Software Foundation >> >>http://python.org/psf >>_______________________________________________ >>PSF-Volunteers mailing list >>PSF-Volunteers at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers >> > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Volunteers mailing list > PSF-Volunteers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > -- Atentamente: *------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. |Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) |GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' |Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ *------------------------------------* Bitacora de Vuelo Sociedad Peruana de Computacion Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru ------------------------------------------------------------------------ La actitud del hacker: Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la libertad y la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, deber?s comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad dicha actitud. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From sdeibel at wingware.com Wed Oct 5 23:27:35 2005 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Better fund raising for the PSF In-Reply-To: <4344345F.3040706@yahoo.es> References: <4344345F.3040706@yahoo.es> Message-ID: Well, it would be a range of tasks, but overall it's ill-defined enough that initially it means joining the PSC, engaging in discussion, and going from there. But if you want specific tasks they would be things like: * Writing up a newsletter monthly and distributing it * Writing the code and setting up infrastructure needed for billing recurring donors (they give credit card that gets billed monthly; most of this is supported by the credit card processor, but some work is needed as well) * Identifying potential corporate donors and pursuing them (probably after the PSF comes up with a better channel for corporate donors that doesn't automatically make them all into voting members; this is where I was talking about recommending changes to the board) Hope that helps... I recognize that we're a community that doesn't really have much experience with these kinds of things (I certainly don't) but hope there is interest in learning with the motivation that a well-funded PSF could do quite a bit for the Python community. Thanks, - Stephan On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto wrote: > Hi Stephan > > I can undertand your proposal, but I don't understand what kinf of help are > you writing. What must be do expecificly if some of us decided help you. > > > > Stephan Deibel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've received absolutely no response from the message below. If > > there is interest, please let me know before I recommend disbanding the PSC > > at the next board meeting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Stephan > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Stephan Deibel wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I would like to try to build a better fund raising capability for the PSF. > > > While the PSF has done OK obtaining new sponsors by osmosis, and has done > > > reasonably well through PyCon sponsorships, I think a manageable amount of > > > additional effort could really increase our visibility as a worthy > > > charitable organization. > > > > > > For example, we could send a semi-monthly news letter + appeal for > > > donations to CLP, we could seek out potential corporate donors more > > > agressively, we could make recommendations to the board on how to > > > restructure available sponsor/donor opportunities to make those more > > > attractive, we could start a recurring donor program and/or send > > > solicitations to past donors say 2X/year, and so forth. > > > > > > In the past year, we've started our grants program (with some success, tho > > > projects are still going on), we've funded a website redesign (which I > > > hope will soon get over the deployment hump), and of course we continue to > > > be the money bag behind PyCon which may in future years require > > > increasingly larger $ commitments from the PSF. So there are certainly > > > compelling reasons to donate to the PSF. > > > > > > Are there people on this list that are interested *and able* to help with > > > any of this? > > > > > > I should note that the PSF has the Python Support Committee (PSC) that is > > > chartered to work on this kind of thing, but it has done nothing recently > > > and there appears to be no interest or time available among its current > > > members to work on this. My intention as chairman of that committee is to > > > reform it with a fresh pool of volunteers, if some can be found here. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Stephan Deibel > > > Chairman of the Board > > > Python Software Foundation > > > > > > http://python.org/psf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PSF-Volunteers mailing list > > > PSF-Volunteers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PSF-Volunteers mailing list > > PSF-Volunteers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > > > > > -- > Atentamente: > > *------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. > |Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) > |GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' > |Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ > *------------------------------------* > Bitacora de Vuelo > Sociedad Peruana de Computacion > Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa > Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa > Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > La actitud del hacker: > Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la libertad y > la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, deber?s comportarte > como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para comportarte como si > tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad dicha actitud. > > > ______________________________________________ Renovamos el > Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es > From csotelop at yahoo.es Thu Oct 6 00:12:22 2005 From: csotelop at yahoo.es (Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:12:22 -0500 Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Better fund raising for the PSF In-Reply-To: References: <4344345F.3040706@yahoo.es> Message-ID: <43444FC6.3080605@yahoo.es> Hi Stephan Probably i can help you, i gona read more about it > * Writing up a newsletter monthly and distributing it > * Writing the code and setting up infrastructure needed > for billing recurring donors (they give credit card that > gets billed monthly; most of this is supported by the > credit card processor, but some work is needed as well) could be > * Identifying potential corporate donors and pursuing them > (probably after the PSF comes up with a better channel > for corporate donors that doesn't automatically make them > all into voting members; this is where I was talking about > recommending changes to the board) > > Hope that helps... I recognize that we're a community that doesn't > really have much experience with these kinds of things (I certainly > don't) but hope there is interest in learning with the motivation that > a well-funded PSF could do quite a bit for the Python community. You are right, we don't have so much experience in this things, i want help, but i dont know how. Maybe i coulbe not exactly a help for you. > > Thanks, > > - Stephan > > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto wrote: > > >>Hi Stephan >> >>I can undertand your proposal, but I don't understand what kinf of help are >>you writing. What must be do expecificly if some of us decided help you. >> >> >> >>Stephan Deibel wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I've received absolutely no response from the message below. If >>>there is interest, please let me know before I recommend disbanding the PSC >>>at the next board meeting. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>- Stephan >>> >>> >>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Stephan Deibel wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I would like to try to build a better fund raising capability for the PSF. >>>>While the PSF has done OK obtaining new sponsors by osmosis, and has done >>>>reasonably well through PyCon sponsorships, I think a manageable amount of >>>>additional effort could really increase our visibility as a worthy >>>>charitable organization. >>>> >>>>For example, we could send a semi-monthly news letter + appeal for >>>>donations to CLP, we could seek out potential corporate donors more >>>>agressively, we could make recommendations to the board on how to >>>>restructure available sponsor/donor opportunities to make those more >>>>attractive, we could start a recurring donor program and/or send >>>>solicitations to past donors say 2X/year, and so forth. >>>> >>>>In the past year, we've started our grants program (with some success, tho >>>>projects are still going on), we've funded a website redesign (which I >>>>hope will soon get over the deployment hump), and of course we continue to >>>>be the money bag behind PyCon which may in future years require >>>>increasingly larger $ commitments from the PSF. So there are certainly >>>>compelling reasons to donate to the PSF. >>>> >>>>Are there people on this list that are interested *and able* to help with >>>>any of this? >>>> >>>>I should note that the PSF has the Python Support Committee (PSC) that is >>>>chartered to work on this kind of thing, but it has done nothing recently >>>>and there appears to be no interest or time available among its current >>>>members to work on this. My intention as chairman of that committee is to >>>>reform it with a fresh pool of volunteers, if some can be found here. >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>> >>>>Stephan Deibel >>>>Chairman of the Board >>>>Python Software Foundation >>>> >>>>http://python.org/psf >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>PSF-Volunteers mailing list >>>>PSF-Volunteers at python.org >>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PSF-Volunteers mailing list >>>PSF-Volunteers at python.org >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers >>> >> >> >>-- >>Atentamente: >> >>*------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. >>|Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) >>|GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' >>|Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ >>*------------------------------------* >>Bitacora de Vuelo >>Sociedad Peruana de Computacion >>Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa >>Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa >>Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>La actitud del hacker: >>Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la libertad y >>la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, deber?s comportarte >>como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para comportarte como si >>tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad dicha actitud. >> >> >> ______________________________________________ Renovamos el >>Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es -- Atentamente: *------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. |Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) |GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' |Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ *------------------------------------* Bitacora de Vuelo Sociedad Peruana de Computacion Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru ------------------------------------------------------------------------ La actitud del hacker: Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la libertad y la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, deber?s comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad dicha actitud. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From ramiroluz at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 06:14:51 2005 From: ramiroluz at gmail.com (Ramiro B. da Luz) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:14:51 -0300 Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Better fund raising for the PSF In-Reply-To: <43444FC6.3080605@yahoo.es> References: <4344345F.3040706@yahoo.es> <43444FC6.3080605@yahoo.es> Message-ID: Hi all. 2005/10/5, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto : > Hi Stephan > > Probably i can help you, i gona read more about it > I will read more too. > > * Writing up a newsletter monthly and distributing it > > * Writing the code and setting up infrastructure needed > > for billing recurring donors (they give credit card that > > gets billed monthly; most of this is supported by the > > credit card processor, but some work is needed as well) > > could be > Maybe I can get some help in this services, I know some network administrator that probably will like to help you. I am not a expert but I can make some code, I can help someone that will lead this effort. > > * Identifying potential corporate donors and pursuing them > > (probably after the PSF comes up with a better channel > > for corporate donors that doesn't automatically make them > > all into voting members; this is where I was talking about > > recommending changes to the board) > > > > Hope that helps... I recognize that we're a community that doesn't > > really have much experience with these kinds of things (I certainly > > don't) but hope there is interest in learning with the motivation that > > a well-funded PSF could do quite a bit for the Python community. > > You are right, we don't have so much experience in this things, i want > help, but i dont know how. Maybe i coulbe not exactly a help for you. > This help very much, know I know where I can help. Thank you, and thank you Carlos for the question. > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Stephan > >> > >>I can undertand your proposal, but I don't understand what kinf of help are > >>you writing. What must be do expecificly if some of us decided help you. > >> > >> > >> > >>Stephan Deibel wrote: > >> > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I've received absolutely no response from the message below. If > >>>there is interest, please let me know before I recommend disbanding the PSC > >>>at the next board meeting. > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>> > >>>- Stephan > >>> > >>> > >>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Stephan Deibel wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi, > >>>> > >>>>I would like to try to build a better fund raising capability for the PSF. > >>>>While the PSF has done OK obtaining new sponsors by osmosis, and has done > >>>>reasonably well through PyCon sponsorships, I think a manageable amount of > >>>>additional effort could really increase our visibility as a worthy > >>>>charitable organization. > >>>> > >>>>For example, we could send a semi-monthly news letter + appeal for > >>>>donations to CLP, we could seek out potential corporate donors more > >>>>agressively, we could make recommendations to the board on how to > >>>>restructure available sponsor/donor opportunities to make those more > >>>>attractive, we could start a recurring donor program and/or send > >>>>solicitations to past donors say 2X/year, and so forth. > >>>> > >>>>In the past year, we've started our grants program (with some success, tho > >>>>projects are still going on), we've funded a website redesign (which I > >>>>hope will soon get over the deployment hump), and of course we continue to > >>>>be the money bag behind PyCon which may in future years require > >>>>increasingly larger $ commitments from the PSF. So there are certainly > >>>>compelling reasons to donate to the PSF. > >>>> > >>>>Are there people on this list that are interested *and able* to help with > >>>>any of this? > >>>> > >>>>I should note that the PSF has the Python Support Committee (PSC) that is > >>>>chartered to work on this kind of thing, but it has done nothing recently > >>>>and there appears to be no interest or time available among its current > >>>>members to work on this. My intention as chairman of that committee is to > >>>>reform it with a fresh pool of volunteers, if some can be found here. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks! > >>>> > >>>>Stephan Deibel > >>>>Chairman of the Board > >>>>Python Software Foundation > >>>> > >>>>http://python.org/psf > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>PSF-Volunteers mailing list > >>>>PSF-Volunteers at python.org > >>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>PSF-Volunteers mailing list > >>>PSF-Volunteers at python.org > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Atentamente: > >> > >>*------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. > >>|Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) > >>|GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' > >>|Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ > >>*------------------------------------* > >>Bitacora de Vuelo > >>Sociedad Peruana de Computacion > >>Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa > >>Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa > >>Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>La actitud del hacker: > >>Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la libertad y > >>la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, deber?s comportarte > >>como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para comportarte como si > >>tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad dicha actitud. > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ Renovamos el > >>Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es > > > -- > Atentamente: > > *------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. > |Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) > |GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' > |Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ > *------------------------------------* > Bitacora de Vuelo > Sociedad Peruana de Computacion > Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa > Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa > Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > La actitud del hacker: > Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la > libertad y la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, > deber?s comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para > comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad > dicha actitud. > > > > ______________________________________________ > Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! > Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad > http://correo.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Volunteers mailing list > PSF-Volunteers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > -- -- Ramiro Batista da Luz || ramiroluz at gmail.com -- Debian-PR || http://www.debian-pr.org -- Debian-BR || http://www.debian-br.org -- Debian Project || http://www.debian.org -- Python Brasil || http://www.pythonbrasil.com.br -- Python || http://www.python.org From amk at amk.ca Tue Oct 11 22:16:03 2005 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:16:03 -0400 Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Wanted: PSF weblog editor Message-ID: <20051011201603.GA15179@rogue.amk.ca> [Cc'ed to psf-volunteers, psf-members] I would like to see a weblog for PSF announcements, news, etc., to make PSF activities more visible to the Python community. To run the weblog, we'd need to have an editor who takes submissions from PSF committees and members, decides whether the submission is relevant, and optionally make edits to the text. I think there would probably be a posting every one or two weeks; certainly there wouldn't be postings every day. The editor would have to follow a weblog policy stated by the PSF Board. A draft of the policy is at . The Board hasn't approved this draft as the official policy. I wanted to get comments on the policy from potential editors and make any changes before putting it before the Board. So... * Any volunteers to be PSF Weblog Editor? * Any comments on the weblog policy? --amk From csotelop at yahoo.es Wed Oct 12 07:17:44 2005 From: csotelop at yahoo.es (Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:17:44 -0500 Subject: [PSF-Volunteers] Wanted: PSF weblog editor In-Reply-To: <20051011201603.GA15179@rogue.amk.ca> References: <20051011201603.GA15179@rogue.amk.ca> Message-ID: <434C9C78.5060205@yahoo.es> A.M. Kuchling wrote: > [Cc'ed to psf-volunteers, psf-members] > > I would like to see a weblog for PSF announcements, news, etc., to > make PSF activities more visible to the Python community. > > To run the weblog, we'd need to have an editor who takes submissions > from PSF committees and members, decides whether the submission is > relevant, and optionally make edits to the text. I think there would > probably be a posting every one or two weeks; certainly there wouldn't > be postings every day. > > The editor would have to follow a weblog policy stated by the PSF > Board. A draft of the policy is at . > > The Board hasn't approved this draft as the official policy. I wanted > to get comments on the policy from potential editors and make any > changes before putting it before the Board. > > So... > > * Any volunteers to be PSF Weblog Editor? I can take this task. > * Any comments on the weblog policy? No coments, it is clear.... > > --amk > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Volunteers mailing list > PSF-Volunteers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-volunteers > -- Atentamente: *------------------------------------* ,= ,-_-. =. |Carlos E. Sotelo Pinto(KrLoS) | ((_/)o o(\_)) |GNU/Linux User Registered # 379182 | `-'(. .)`-' |Tildes omitidas voluntariamente | \_/ *------------------------------------* Bitacora de Vuelo Sociedad Peruana de Computacion Grupo de Usuarios GNU/Linux Arequipa Grupo de Usuarios Debian Arequipa Grupo de Usuarios Debian Peru ------------------------------------------------------------------------ La actitud del hacker: Los hackers resuelven problemas y construyen cosas, y creen en la libertad y la ayuda voluntaria mutua. Para ser aceptado como hacker, deber?s comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud en tu interior. Y para comportarte como si tuvieras esta actitud, deber?s creerte de verdad dicha actitud. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es